Al Horford has been mediocre. He doesnt deserve his salary

[SHAQATTACK]

Al Horford might very well be underpaid!   

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[CelticD]

dont know why anyone would hate on Horford.

There's no shame in not being worth a max contract. You can still be a great player.

He’s far from the worst max contract out there today. It’s what players get paid now.

The truth is a player like LeBron is worth $50M+ but can’t get that. So the teams that can’t get the LeBrons and Durants and Leonards have to get the next level players, even if that means giving the most money they possibly can.

This is the new NBA. And it’s not going anywhere.

I never understood this take. "Players like Lebron are REALLY worth 50M so Horford's contract really isn't that bad".

You can just say players like Lebron are REALLY worth the max, while players like Horford aren't.

[bellerephon]

50 million might be an exaggeration, but the point is that without a max salary limitation, Lebron would likely make much more than he currently does. The max salary in effect subsidizes teams that have the elite players because they can pay them less than they would have if there was no max. The idea that are players are worth less than the max because that's what Lebron makes is flawed, there are only a few elite players. Less than elite players will be able to get the max because there are 20 or more teams that will be competing for those second rank players, any team that refuses to pay max for those guys will end up with third rank players at best. In the end players are worth what teams are willing to pay for them. Fans often have opinions about what players are worth based on how good they think they are, but that's a misguided way to look at it. There is a market, sometimes you can get a player for less than you feared, and sometimes it costs more than you hoped. Al is a max player, there is no doubt about that. You might wish that we didn't need to give him that much, but that is the market. You can't pass on players like that, without Al I don't think you get Kyrie and Gordon.

[Snakehead]

dont know why anyone would hate on Horford.

There's no shame in not being worth a max contract. You can still be a great player.

He’s far from the worst max contract out there today. It’s what players get paid now.

The truth is a player like LeBron is worth $50M+ but can’t get that. So the teams that can’t get the LeBrons and Durants and Leonards have to get the next level players, even if that means giving the most money they possibly can.

This is the new NBA. And it’s not going anywhere.

I never understood this take. "Players like Lebron are REALLY worth 50M so Horford's contract really isn't that bad".

You can just say players like Lebron are REALLY worth the max, while players like Horford aren't.

I think they're just making a valid point about how arbitrary it is.  LeBron is actually worth those values ultimately for business reasons and things too (the fact that he is so good he is getting you to the Finals basically every year adds a lot of value or the fact that he is almost never hurt and hardly misses games).  It's complicated but it just goes to show the argument is basically about some arbitrary rules.

[GreenFaith1819]

Big Al was all over the place today...bringing the ball up the court, dunking, passing, blocking.....channeling his inner Ray Allen on the clutch J at the end.

Great game by our All-Star.

[vjcsmoke]

Care to retract your statement after Horford's gamewinner against the Blazers? 

BTW Horford is among the top passing big men in the lead and oh yeah among the top in defensive rating as well.  Oh and he's shooting 43% from 3...

[GreenEnvy]

dont know why anyone would hate on Horford.

There's no shame in not being worth a max contract. You can still be a great player.

He’s far from the worst max contract out there today. It’s what players get paid now.

The truth is a player like LeBron is worth $50M+ but can’t get that. So the teams that can’t get the LeBrons and Durants and Leonards have to get the next level players, even if that means giving the most money they possibly can.

This is the new NBA. And it’s not going anywhere.

I never understood this take. "Players like Lebron are REALLY worth 50M so Horford's contract really isn't that bad".

You can just say players like Lebron are REALLY worth the max, while players like Horford aren't.

I mean it’s pretty simple.

The NBA has specific salary structure unlike most (if any) leagues. Players can only get paid a maximum depending on their tenure and status (such as accolades and team rights).

If this was, say, MLB, and Mike Trout becomes a free agent, let the bidding begin. Red Sox can offer a $750M/15yr deal. Yankees can go to a billion if they really want him.

Do you really think if LeBron’s salary wasn’t capped, he couldn’t easily get $50M a year? It’s not even debatable. So yes, LeBron is worth the max... and a whole lot more. Look at what stiffs like Asik get paid.

And that’s why there are players who make as much as LeBron, despite not being nearly as good. It’s not because they aren’t “worth” it, but because LeBron (and some others) are not being paid in a free market.

[celticinorlando]

Horford is so [dang] steady. So important for this team

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

This is one of those threads that will never die. Every time Horford plays a bad game, someone comes here to say "I told you so," and every time he has a good game, someone comes here to say, "You were wrong."

[trickybilly]

This is one of those threads that will never die. Every time Horford plays a bad game, someone comes here to say "I told you so," and every time he has a good game, someone comes here to say, "You were wrong."

Exactly why it needs to be shut down.

It's just a stupid way to have a discussion. Does Al sometimes have underwhelming nights which indicate he is not a max guy? Yes. Does he have nights where his 27 million seems like bargain? Yes.

Great.

[Granath]

I find this thread laughable.

Al Horford career averages: 14.3 ppg / 8.6 rbg / 3.1 apg / PER 19.0

Al Horford 2017-2018 avg: 13.6 ppg / 7.9 rpg / 5.3 apg / PER 19.0
Oh, and he's averaging the highest WS/48 and TS% of his career. And is an All-Star.

Seems we're getting exactly what we paid for.

[ThePaintedArea]

7 pts tonight.  Previously 2 other duds. Overall just not cutting it

He is expecting Kyrie to do most of the heavy lifting on the offensive end. Plus has been plain average on defense

What to do with this guy?  Maybe its time to consider trading him (and eat 50 cents on the dollar)

Trade for a cheaper option like Dedmon to take care of things around the paint

I assumed that this thread was started in November 2016 or something when I clicked on it.

I don’t agree. I’ll just leave it at that.

[Phantom255x]

Frankly, I think Horford doesn't deserve this thread smh... 

[CelticsFanFromNYC]

Al Horfords signing helpes entice others to sign  (Hayward & possibly Monroe). Helped our ball movement tremendously. Veteran leadership. We didnt pay for his stats. It was clearly for  the doors  his presence opens. Plus, his contract should end around the time our core  players are all in their primes. Being competitive now is literally a bonus. An ideal signing imo. This is why we are bloggers and Ainge is Ainge. Thank Jesus!

[colincb]

Frankly, I think Horford doesn't deserve this thread smh... 

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