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Patriots / Football / Re: 2024 NFL Draft
« Last post by Donoghus on Today at 11:00:50 AM »
Quote from: Celtics2021 on Today at 10:57:33 AM
Quote from: Vermont Green on Today at 09:25:01 AM
The only thing that I can think of with ATL is that they think Penix will be an asset they can trade later.  If Cousins plays all 4 years of his contract, Penix will be 27 by then.  Penix is probably not happy about this either.  He is ready to be an NFL QB, not wait around to get traded or for Cousins to get hurt.  Or maybe they plan to trade Cousins if Penix works out?

I guess it is the most important position in sports, or so they like to say.  So maybe having redundancy or a back up plan will turn out to be smart.

There’s really no argument for Atlanta.  They won’t get #8 pick value for Penix if they try to trade him.  And Cousins has $90 million guaranteed of his $180 million, so trading him this year or next will create a significant amount of dead money.  It’s just terrible roster management.  Redundancy at QB is a luxury after you’ve filled most of your other needs — Atlanta still has needs, however, and they skipped out on a chance to fill one.

Yup.  The best value of an asset was when it was actually the 8th pick and not Penix himself.  As soon as the pick was used, it immediately lost value.

I'm baffled by this. 
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Patriots / Football / Re: 2024 NFL Draft
« Last post by Celtics2021 on Today at 10:57:33 AM »
Quote from: Vermont Green on Today at 09:25:01 AM
The only thing that I can think of with ATL is that they think Penix will be an asset they can trade later.  If Cousins plays all 4 years of his contract, Penix will be 27 by then.  Penix is probably not happy about this either.  He is ready to be an NFL QB, not wait around to get traded or for Cousins to get hurt.  Or maybe they plan to trade Cousins if Penix works out?

I guess it is the most important position in sports, or so they like to say.  So maybe having redundancy or a back up plan will turn out to be smart.

There’s really no argument for Atlanta.  They won’t get #8 pick value for Penix if they try to trade him.  And Cousins has $90 million guaranteed of his $180 million, so trading him this year or next will create a significant amount of dead money.  It’s just terrible roster management.  Redundancy at QB is a luxury after you’ve filled most of your other needs — Atlanta still has needs, however, and they skipped out on a chance to fill one.
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Celtics Talk / Re: Fire Joe! ... or critique Joe ... or defend Joe... or worry about Joe's coaching
« Last post by Birdman on Today at 10:55:42 AM »
Stephen A Smith just said if Ime Udoka was coach last season, Celtics would went to finals
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Celtics Talk / Re: Fire Joe! ... or critique Joe ... or defend Joe... or worry about Joe's coaching
« Last post by liam on Today at 10:40:47 AM »
Quote from: mobilija on Today at 07:43:19 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvwVc1JArjM

Joe Mazulla offense in microscope

That guy is so annoying. I don’t know how anyone can listen to his screaming

He is annoying but he's not wrong.
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Patriots / Football / Re: 2024 NFL Draft
« Last post by Donoghus on Today at 09:52:02 AM »
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Dianna Russini
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Michael Penix Jr. did not take a top-30 visit to Flowery Branch. The Falcons only attended a 45 minute workout and met with him at the Combine.
It’s almost unheard of for a QB taken in the 1st to NOT be on a teams top-30.
In the end, ATL felt comfortable with the work they did.
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Around the NBA / Re: 2024 NBA Season and Playoffs
« Last post by Birdman on Today at 09:43:55 AM »
D’Angelo Russell sitting on the end of bench eating or playing on phone while Lakers are in a huddle with 4 minutes to go is hilarious as a laker hater..dude be on different team next season
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Patriots / Football / Re: 2024 NFL Draft
« Last post by Vermont Green on Today at 09:25:01 AM »
The only thing that I can think of with ATL is that they think Penix will be an asset they can trade later.  If Cousins plays all 4 years of his contract, Penix will be 27 by then.  Penix is probably not happy about this either.  He is ready to be an NFL QB, not wait around to get traded or for Cousins to get hurt.  Or maybe they plan to trade Cousins if Penix works out?

I guess it is the most important position in sports, or so they like to say.  So maybe having redundancy or a back up plan will turn out to be smart.
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Patriots / Football / Re: 2024 NFL Draft
« Last post by angryguy77 on Today at 09:12:38 AM »
Not much I can complain about. Getting JJ and Dallas fills 2 of the top 3 needs for minn. I'd been ok with trading up to three, but keeping the future picks isn't a bad result of that not happening.

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Patriots / Football / Re: Poll: Which QB Option is the Best?
« Last post by Vermont Green on Today at 09:06:06 AM »
I am happy with the pick.  I guess I would have preferred if they could have traded down, got McCarthy and a bunch of additional picks, but I am not sure that scenario was ever all that realistic.  Drafting QBs is risky, but a risk you simply have to take (if you don't have a QB otherwise which the Pats do not).  I see Josh Allen potential (been saying from the start).  Key word "potential".  Has the arm, has the speed/athleticism, makes the same kinds of bad plays sometimes, trying to do too much.

He is 21, will be 22 before the start of the season.  Same as McCarthy, younger than all the others.  Same as Josh Allen, when he was drafted.  I don't know how he is going to handle the speed of the game in the NFL.  I say it half jokingly, but he has experience being on a lesser team in a competitive conference, so that may help.

The next big debate is going to be whether to start him right away or give him time to learn.  I am not sure about this.  I think it depends on him.  You can't say, this is always better or that is always better.  My sense is that he probably is not going to be ready to be an NFL starter on Sept 8th or whenever their first game is.  I expect to see Brissett start the season.  But if he shows that he is ready, I see no reason to wait just because.
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Patriots / Football / Re: 2024 NFL Draft
« Last post by Celtics2021 on Today at 09:02:59 AM »
Quote from: Donoghus on Today at 08:51:09 AM
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Penix to ATL?!

Wow.
Wow is a overstatement!! Pay all that money for Cousins then draft a QB!! Penix won’t start for awhile unless Cousins get hurt..Jordan Love part 2

Their reasoning is they don't expect to be drafting near the top again and needed a QB for after Cousins.

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Morris said they believe the Falcons are primed to win right now, which means they would not get another shot at drafting a quarterback of the future this high in the draft again.

"These are not easy decisions -- these are tough decisions," Fontenot said. "But that's who we're thinking about. We're thinking about the fans, we're thinking about this organization. We're going to build a sustained winner. We're going to win for a long time. That's the most important position in football."


Needless to say the Cousins camp isn't that enthused about it. They wanted to draft a player that would make the Falcons better today.

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Cousins' agent Mike McCartney told ESPN's Pete Thamel that the Falcons only notified the quarterback that they would pick Penix while the team was on the clock. McCartney said there is frustration and confusion coming from Cousins' camp because Atlanta did not use its first-round pick to make the team better in 2024.

Falcons general manager Terry Fontenot and coach Raheem Morris said Cousins' reaction would remain private.

"He got called on the clock, obviously because of the sensitive time with the issues of what you got going on," Morris said. "It's never a right time to talk to a quarterback about those things. And reactions are always going to be private when it comes to those things, unless Kirk decides to tell you some of those things that are whatever they may be. But he's a competitor, just like us all. And you can always expect those things to go just like you kind of think."

Quotes above from https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/40026310/falcons-surprise-select-qb-michael-penix-jr-no-8-pick

That's some next level spin zone by the Falcons there.

That has to be one of the worst picks in many years, in terms of roster-building.  Your draft board simply should not contain a quarterback in the 1st round 7 weeks after you’ve signed a free agent QB to a massive deal.  Especially a top-10 pick.  Cousins has to be feeling some serious regret at his free agency decision.

I also think Penix was the wrong QB for Atlanta, but that doesn’t really matter, because any QB was the wrong pick in that situation.
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