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Title: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (27-34, 10th Slot on 3/2)
Post by: Big333223 on June 18, 2017, 05:20:15 PM
Here's how I see the West as of today:

Golden State, San Antonio, and Houston are in no danger of falling out of the playoffs. OKC, Memphis, and Portland should all still be fighting for spots and Dallas isn't giving up yet, either. Denver, New Orleans, and Minnesota are all primed to improve this season.

Utah and the Clippers are question marks because of their free agents this summer but if I exclude those two teams, there are still 10 teams that should easily be better than the Lakers in the West.

The only Western teams I can imagine finishing below the Lakers, right now, are Phoenix and Sacramento.

Here's hoping the can thread the needle, 2-5!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Ogaju on June 18, 2017, 05:24:24 PM
If there is any modicum of respect for one of the biggest rivalries in the history of competitive sports, most certainly the biggest rivalry in the history of the NBA this thread will be locked.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Surferdad on June 18, 2017, 05:24:33 PM
TP for the thread.  Good assessment too.

Any thoughts on FAs the Lakers could/will go after?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Ilikesports17 on June 18, 2017, 05:31:44 PM
If there is any modicum of respect for one of the biggest rivalries in the history of competitive sports, most certainly the biggest rivalry in the history of the NBA this thread will be locked.
What the Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. are you talking about?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on June 18, 2017, 05:48:28 PM
TP for the thread.  Good assessment too.

Any thoughts on FAs the Lakers could/will go after?
That's a good question because that could be a game changer.

But I would be surprised if any of the true max guys went to the Lakers this summer. Anyone less than an all star probably doesn't keep them from being the worst defensive team in the league in 2018.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: hwangjini_1 on June 18, 2017, 05:51:54 PM
Tp for the thread. Now we get to watch TWO other teams as they suck....hopefully.  ;D
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: saltlover on June 18, 2017, 05:58:36 PM
TP for the thread.  Good assessment too.

Any thoughts on FAs the Lakers could/will go after?
That's a good question because that could be a game changer.

But I would be surprised if any of the true max guys went to the Lakers this summer. Anyone less than an all star probably doesn't keep them from being the worst defensive team in the league in 2018.

Lakers look to only have $10-12 million in cap room.  It's doubtful they'll be major players this year and just save cap room for next year, as Paul George has as much said that he'll sign there if they have the space.  Maybe there's a vet they throw money at for a 1-year deal, but I doubt anything else.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on June 18, 2017, 06:01:19 PM
Awesome. TP for the info.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Dino Pitino on June 18, 2017, 06:08:03 PM
If there is any modicum of respect for one of the biggest rivalries in the history of competitive sports, most certainly the biggest rivalry in the history of the NBA this thread will be locked.

Is this a joke?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on June 18, 2017, 06:12:05 PM
This is a silver lining to me.

As both a Celtics fan and a Warriors supporter, i would be more than happy to root for the Lakers to stink it up. Stink it up enough that we get the pick next year.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: keevsnick on June 18, 2017, 06:18:58 PM
So for those interested the chances of the pick landing 2-5 and conveying based upon the Lakers final record are as follows (according to tweet from Kevin O'Connor).

75% chance if Lakers have the worst record
80.1% if second worst
80.4% if third worst
70.9% if fourth worst
46.4% if fifth worst
15.2% if sixth worst
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on June 18, 2017, 06:58:03 PM
So for those interested the chances of the pick landing 2-5 and conveying based upon the Lakers final record are as follows (according to tweet from Kevin O'Connor).

75% chance if Lakers have the worst record
80.1% if second worst
80.4% if third worst
70.9% if fourth worst
46.4% if fifth worst
15.2% if sixth worst

Thank you for posting this! TP! Just have to sneak into the bottom four worst records for good odds! Fifth worst isn't bad either. :D
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Tr1boy on June 18, 2017, 06:58:53 PM
Make the Lakers sweat... Love it
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on June 18, 2017, 07:00:41 PM
Watch the Lakers get scared of the Cavs or C's trading for PG and convincing him to stay in a winning situation, so they decide to trade the 2nd pick for him, screwing the alaners pick this coming year for us. ::)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Who on June 18, 2017, 07:08:23 PM
I still do not see why Paul George would want to join this team.

Terrible roster.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: SCeltic34 on June 18, 2017, 10:35:05 PM
I still do not see why Paul George would want to join this team.

Terrible roster.

I agree.

I haven't got around to it, but I was going to post a thread about not being impressed with the Lakers' young talent and direction moving forward.  I can't be the only person who believes this.

Not sold on D. Russell.  I hate his game and don't think his upside is all that great.  Not a fan of Randle either.   Ingram might be good, but Durant 2.0 he is not.  And I'm not particularly sold on Lonzo Ball being a surefire star either.

I do like Larry Nance.  Zubac might be good value for a 2nd rounder.  But other than that, I don't see them being a legitimate title contender in the near future as constructed, even if they add Paul George.

Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: RockinRyA on June 18, 2017, 10:48:17 PM
So for those interested the chances of the pick landing 2-5 and conveying based upon the Lakers final record are as follows (according to tweet from Kevin O'Connor).

75% chance if Lakers have the worst record
80.1% if second worst
80.4% if third worst
70.9% if fourth worst
46.4% if fifth worst
15.2% if sixth worst

Ideal scenario

Brooklyn 1st best odds
Lakers 2nd best odds
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Ilikesports17 on June 18, 2017, 10:50:55 PM
So for those interested the chances of the pick landing 2-5 and conveying based upon the Lakers final record are as follows (according to tweet from Kevin O'Connor).

75% chance if Lakers have the worst record
80.1% if second worst
80.4% if third worst
70.9% if fourth worst
46.4% if fifth worst
15.2% if sixth worst

Ideal scenario

Brooklyn 1st best odds
Lakers 2nd best odds
Can you imagine the stress during the lotto if they got down to that final 2?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: max215 on June 18, 2017, 10:53:09 PM
So for those interested the chances of the pick landing 2-5 and conveying based upon the Lakers final record are as follows (according to tweet from Kevin O'Connor).

75% chance if Lakers have the worst record
80.1% if second worst
80.4% if third worst
70.9% if fourth worst
46.4% if fifth worst
15.2% if sixth worst

Ideal scenario

Brooklyn 1st best odds
Lakers 2nd best odds
Can you imagine the stress during the lotto if they got down to that final 2?

My heart can't handle that.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: RockinRyA on June 18, 2017, 10:55:39 PM
So for those interested the chances of the pick landing 2-5 and conveying based upon the Lakers final record are as follows (according to tweet from Kevin O'Connor).

75% chance if Lakers have the worst record
80.1% if second worst
80.4% if third worst
70.9% if fourth worst
46.4% if fifth worst
15.2% if sixth worst

Ideal scenario

Brooklyn 1st best odds
Lakers 2nd best odds
Can you imagine the stress during the lotto if they got down to that final 2?

My heart can't handle that.

Which is why I wanted that we dont trade the pick this year. We got the 1st pick this year so as long as we get a decent pick next year Im fine. But since we traded it I have to hope again next year. Thanks a lot Danny!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: snively on June 18, 2017, 11:11:15 PM
I still do not see why Paul George would want to join this team.

Terrible roster.

Hometown appeal.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: MattyIce on June 18, 2017, 11:24:12 PM
https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA/status/876641304612143104

Kevin O'Connor‏Verified account @KevinOConnorNBA  2m2 minutes ago
More
 Two NBA sources expect Lakers to parachute into Paul George talks if the Cavs are closing in on a deal. Unclear if #2 would be on the table.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on June 18, 2017, 11:26:27 PM
https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA/status/876641304612143104

Kevin O'Connor‏Verified account @KevinOConnorNBA  2m2 minutes ago
More
 Two NBA sources expect Lakers to parachute into Paul George talks if the Cavs are closing in on a deal. Unclear if #2 would be on the table.

Yeah, I figured, and that's going to totally screw our pick next year, which I'm wanting more than the Sacramento pick. That's part of the reason why I've been on the PG train so hard.

I don't see them making the playoffs even with George, so I guess there's the tiny, tiny chance that they can luck into the second or third spot from farther down the lottery.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Smokeeye123 on June 18, 2017, 11:39:19 PM
https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA/status/876641304612143104

Kevin O'Connor‏Verified account @KevinOConnorNBA  2m2 minutes ago
More
 Two NBA sources expect Lakers to parachute into Paul George talks if the Cavs are closing in on a deal. Unclear if #2 would be on the table.

Yeah, I figured, and that's going to totally screw our pick next year, which I'm wanting more than the Sacramento pick. That's part of the reason why I've been on the PG train so hard.

I don't see them making the playoffs even with George, so I guess there's the tiny, tiny chance that they can luck into the second or third spot from farther down the lottery.
Why would they trade 2 if they can wait it out one year and sign him for free? Literally makes no sense for either side. If george goes there now the team will be worse than if he waited
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Smokeeye123 on June 18, 2017, 11:41:16 PM
So for those interested the chances of the pick landing 2-5 and conveying based upon the Lakers final record are as follows (according to tweet from Kevin O'Connor).

75% chance if Lakers have the worst record
80.1% if second worst
80.4% if third worst
70.9% if fourth worst
46.4% if fifth worst
15.2% if sixth worst

Ideal scenario

Brooklyn 1st best odds
Lakers 2nd best odds
Can you imagine the stress during the lotto if they got down to that final 2?
i mean that would guarantee us ayton or porter regardless so id be cool
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: saltlover on June 18, 2017, 11:41:46 PM
https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA/status/876641304612143104

Kevin O'Connor‏Verified account @KevinOConnorNBA  2m2 minutes ago
More
 Two NBA sources expect Lakers to parachute into Paul George talks if the Cavs are closing in on a deal. Unclear if #2 would be on the table.

Yeah, I figured, and that's going to totally screw our pick next year, which I'm wanting more than the Sacramento pick. That's part of the reason why I've been on the PG train so hard.

I don't see them making the playoffs even with George, so I guess there's the tiny, tiny chance that they can luck into the second or third spot from farther down the lottery.
Why would they trade 2 if they can wait it out one year and sign him for free? Literally makes no sense for either side. If george goes there now the team will be worse than if he waited

Presumably because they think he would stay in Cleveland with LeBron.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Ilikesports17 on June 18, 2017, 11:43:13 PM
So for those interested the chances of the pick landing 2-5 and conveying based upon the Lakers final record are as follows (according to tweet from Kevin O'Connor).

75% chance if Lakers have the worst record
80.1% if second worst
80.4% if third worst
70.9% if fourth worst
46.4% if fifth worst
15.2% if sixth worst

Ideal scenario

Brooklyn 1st best odds
Lakers 2nd best odds
Can you imagine the stress during the lotto if they got down to that final 2?
i mean that would guarantee us ayton or porter regardless so id be cool
but the prospect of potentially having both would cause me to hyperventilate.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: gouki88 on June 18, 2017, 11:44:11 PM
https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA/status/876641304612143104

Kevin O'Connor‏Verified account @KevinOConnorNBA  2m2 minutes ago
More
 Two NBA sources expect Lakers to parachute into Paul George talks if the Cavs are closing in on a deal. Unclear if #2 would be on the table.

Yeah, I figured, and that's going to totally screw our pick next year, which I'm wanting more than the Sacramento pick. That's part of the reason why I've been on the PG train so hard.

I don't see them making the playoffs even with George, so I guess there's the tiny, tiny chance that they can luck into the second or third spot from farther down the lottery.
Why would they trade 2 if they can wait it out one year and sign him for free? Literally makes no sense for either side. If george goes there now the team will be worse than if he waited

Presumably because they think he would stay in Cleveland with LeBron.

Plus they could screw us out of their pick.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: green_bballers13 on June 18, 2017, 11:45:21 PM
PG13 must want to win a championship, right?!?! Why would he jump this year to LA? As a top 10-15 player in this league, he should be able to call the shots in Free Agency every 1-2 years. Why not join LA at the end once the young guys develop and he's won in Cleveland with Lebron?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on June 19, 2017, 09:41:54 AM
So for those interested the chances of the pick landing 2-5 and conveying based upon the Lakers final record are as follows (according to tweet from Kevin O'Connor).

75% chance if Lakers have the worst record
80.1% if second worst
80.4% if third worst
70.9% if fourth worst
46.4% if fifth worst
15.2% if sixth worst

Ideal scenario

Brooklyn 1st best odds
Lakers 2nd best odds
Can you imagine the stress during the lotto if they got down to that final 2?

My heart can't handle that.
I can't even begin to let myself imagine such a thing.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on June 19, 2017, 02:12:03 PM
So for those interested the chances of the pick landing 2-5 and conveying based upon the Lakers final record are as follows (according to tweet from Kevin O'Connor).

75% chance if Lakers have the worst record
80.1% if second worst
80.4% if third worst
70.9% if fourth worst
46.4% if fifth worst
15.2% if sixth worst

Ideal scenario

Brooklyn 1st best odds
Lakers 2nd best odds
Can you imagine the stress during the lotto if they got down to that final 2?

It would be worse if the Lakers pick and a non-BRK pick are the final 2, with BRK out of the top 3. :D
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on June 20, 2017, 04:05:11 PM
Lakers and Pacers are talking now, which is no surprise.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19689275/indiana-pacers-los-angeles-lakers-talking-trade-paul-george
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on June 20, 2017, 04:59:27 PM
We have to see how the draft, FA signings and trades play out but right now I see Phoenix, Brooklyn, Orlando and Sacramento as the contenders for the 1st pick. Hopefully, LAL doesn't get PG13 and just plays out the string and it's quite possible we get a 2-5 pick. If not, then a Sacramento 2018-2019 Season Watch Thread, along with Philly and Memphis and LAC will be up in no time ;) That'll be a hectic season to follow.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on June 30, 2017, 10:41:54 PM
Lakers didn't get George. We officially have a good situation with this pick and the value of this pick just rose
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 01, 2017, 12:40:29 AM
Lakers didn't get George. We officially have a good situation with this pick and the value of this pick just rose

Great news!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 04, 2017, 01:30:27 PM
After the Hill to Lakers rumor, George Hill signed with the Kings instead of the Lakers. :D
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on July 04, 2017, 01:44:54 PM
After the Hill to Lakers rumor, George Hill signed with the Kings instead of the Lakers. :D

Plus ZBo also signed with the Kings. So they should officially be out of the running for worst in the West.

Now it's down to LA and Phoenix, and I definitely give the edge to Phoenix in being better and winning more games.

EDIT: You know what, I forgot about Lopez on LA. That'll make things tighter.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: RockinRyA on July 04, 2017, 01:59:22 PM
After the Hill to Lakers rumor, George Hill signed with the Kings instead of the Lakers. :D

Plus ZBo also signed with the Kings. So they should officially be out of the running for worst in the West.

Now it's down to LA and Phoenix, and I definitely give the edge to Phoenix in being better and winning more games.

EDIT: You know what, I forgot about Lopez on LA. That'll make things tighter.

Lopez on LA means Lakers will win a few more games. Which means they end up 2nd worst. Which means Nets end up 1st. All planned  :laugh:
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on July 04, 2017, 02:14:32 PM
After the Hill to Lakers rumor, George Hill signed with the Kings instead of the Lakers. :D

Plus ZBo also signed with the Kings. So they should officially be out of the running for worst in the West.

Now it's down to LA and Phoenix, and I definitely give the edge to Phoenix in being better and winning more games.

EDIT: You know what, I forgot about Lopez on LA. That'll make things tighter.

Lopez on LA means Lakers will win a few more games. Which means they end up 2nd worst. Which means Nets end up 1st. All planned  :laugh:
Perfect.

I'm not sold that Lopez is going to win LA many games. If he's starting next to Randle with Ball, Clarkson, and Ingram as the big minutes they should be the worst defensive team in the league again.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 04, 2017, 09:38:38 PM
This one will be real fun to watch
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Surferdad on July 04, 2017, 09:40:38 PM
This one will be real fun to watch
Gotta thread the needle on this one.  The pick is #1 protected and now I really don't want to wait for 2019.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on July 12, 2017, 12:31:38 AM
UH OH.

KCP to the Lakers on a 1 year, 18M deal.

Not good for that Lakers Pick..  :o
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticpride1 on July 12, 2017, 12:34:37 AM
Is actually probably a good thing. Hey will be a little better we want them to have the 2nd worse record.😉😉😉
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: MattyIce on July 12, 2017, 12:42:34 AM
Sources: Despite committing $18M for Caldwell-Pope, Lakers still trying to find a way to sign Rondo. Lakers have a $4.3M exception to use.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: SparzWizard on July 12, 2017, 12:55:38 AM
Better trade this pick before it's too late
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: SparzWizard on July 12, 2017, 12:57:08 AM
Is actually probably a good thing. Hey will be a little better we want them to have the 2nd worse record.😉😉😉

It's a bad thing once they add Rajon Rondo. They will be a 10th seed in the West with Rondo/Ball/KCP/Ingram/Lopez
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: mahcus smaht on July 12, 2017, 12:57:16 AM
Still worst western conference team.

Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.ty East teams will have inflated win totals. pick could easily convey.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Rondo9 on July 12, 2017, 01:02:26 AM
Is actually probably a good thing. Hey will be a little better we want them to have the 2nd worse record.😉😉😉

It's a bad thing once they add Rajon Rondo. They will be a 10th seed in the West with Rondo/Ball/KCP/Ingram/Lopez

That lineup looks terrible defensively.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: JHTruth on July 12, 2017, 01:14:44 AM
Is actually probably a good thing. Hey will be a little better we want them to have the 2nd worse record.😉😉😉

It's a bad thing once they add Rajon Rondo. They will be a 10th seed in the West with Rondo/Ball/KCP/Ingram/Lopez


That lineup looks terrible defensively.

I doubt Rondo will even play. There's no way the fan base will let Ball ride the pine behind Rondo and they cant play together as neither can shoot. I'd actually be stoked if Rondo and Ball played together. Guaranteed disaster.

KCP will marginally improve their defense but it still looks like Lakers will still be battling with Kings and Suns for WC cellar
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Adelaide Celt on July 12, 2017, 02:22:13 AM
Better them than Brooklyn.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Darío SpanishFan on July 12, 2017, 02:53:20 AM
Is actually probably a good thing. Hey will be a little better we want them to have the 2nd worse record.😉😉😉

It's a bad thing once they add Rajon Rondo. They will be a 10th seed in the West with Rondo/Ball/KCP/Ingram/Lopez

Those five can't defend my city team (3rd division Spanish League).

I don't think this is bad news. KCP has signed for one year and a lot of money, so you can see what he's going after. He won't defend and will get a lot of shots, many of them forced, to have a high scoring average and try to flee another team next offseason. Looking beyond our pick, he may even stop the development of Ball and Ingram if he wants the ball too much and doesn't share it.

Maybe I'm being too positive, but I would have cared a little bit more had he gone to the Nets.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 12, 2017, 02:54:38 AM
Rondo is not the same player we knew. He has significantly regressed, and his regular season is bad because he doesn't care about reg season. He is still a free agent cuz no team except bottom dwellers want him. Other teams interested a little in rondo were the pelicans and pacers

As for kcp- he was truly worth $18 million, Detroit would have kept him. As he is, good riddance to LA.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 12, 2017, 02:58:48 AM
Is actually probably a good thing. Hey will be a little better we want them to have the 2nd worse record.😉😉😉

It's a bad thing once they add Rajon Rondo. They will be a 10th seed in the West with Rondo/Ball/KCP/Ingram/Lopez
if fan bases decided who played, scalabrine would still be playing 40 minutes


That lineup looks terrible defensively.

I doubt Rondo will even play. There's no way the fan base will let Ball ride the pine behind Rondo and they cant play together as neither can shoot. I'd actually be stoked if Rondo and Ball played together. Guaranteed disaster.

KCP will marginally improve their defense but it still looks like Lakers will still be battling with Kings and Suns for WC cellar
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 24, 2017, 03:05:29 PM
Rumors about Ian Clark or Derrick Rose.

Do we want Rose to sign with the Lakers over the Cavs? :D
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: byennie on July 24, 2017, 03:18:22 PM
Is actually probably a good thing. Hey will be a little better we want them to have the 2nd worse record.😉😉😉

It's a bad thing once they add Rajon Rondo. They will be a 10th seed in the West with Rondo/Ball/KCP/Ingram/Lopez

That lineup looks terrible defensively.

It is, but it can't be any worse than one that featured Russell, Young and Williams. Those guys all played 25-30MPG and were among the very worst at their positions defensively. KCP is a massive upgrade over any of them.

Lopez is no DPOY but he's really no worse than Mozgov, even defensively. He's slow and protects the rim, and his DPM is at least average.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: MattyIce on July 24, 2017, 07:06:25 PM
Derrick Rose has committed to sign with the Cleveland Cavaliers and completed his physical exam today, league sources tell The Vertical.

not lakers for better or worse
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: JHTruth on July 24, 2017, 07:09:42 PM
Derrick Rose has committed to sign with the Cleveland Cavaliers and completed his physical exam today, league sources tell The Vertical.

not lakers for better or worse

I don't see him as a needle mover either way but hey now the Lakes can sign Ian Clark..
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: JHTruth on July 24, 2017, 07:10:14 PM
Is actually probably a good thing. Hey will be a little better we want them to have the 2nd worse record.😉😉😉

It's a bad thing once they add Rajon Rondo. They will be a 10th seed in the West with Rondo/Ball/KCP/Ingram/Lopez

That lineup looks terrible defensively.

It is, but it can't be any worse than one that featured Russell, Young and Williams. Those guys all played 25-30MPG and were among the very worst at their positions defensively. KCP is a massive upgrade over any of them.

Lopez is no DPOY but he's really no worse than Mozgov, even defensively. He's slow and protects the rim, and his DPM is at least average.

Oh it can be much much worse. Ball gets lit up SL scrubs defensively..
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on July 25, 2017, 12:16:52 AM
As someone else said, Lakers as high as possible but theoretically #3 or #4 could be more "safe" in terms of conveyance.

#1 pick: 25% chance of #1, 75% chance of 2-4
#2 pick: 20% chance of #1, 80% chance of 2-5
#3 pick: 16% chance of #1, 84% chance of 2-6
#4 pick: 12% chance of #1, 86% chance of 2-6, 2% chance of #7*

* Roughly:
28% chance of 1st pick going to any team in 5-14 position
~25% chance of the next pick doing the same
~23% chance of the next pick doing the same
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: byennie on July 25, 2017, 12:22:12 AM
Is actually probably a good thing. Hey will be a little better we want them to have the 2nd worse record.😉😉😉

It's a bad thing once they add Rajon Rondo. They will be a 10th seed in the West with Rondo/Ball/KCP/Ingram/Lopez

That lineup looks terrible defensively.

It is, but it can't be any worse than one that featured Russell, Young and Williams. Those guys all played 25-30MPG and were among the very worst at their positions defensively. KCP is a massive upgrade over any of them.

Lopez is no DPOY but he's really no worse than Mozgov, even defensively. He's slow and protects the rim, and his DPM is at least average.

Oh it can be much much worse. Ball gets lit up SL scrubs defensively..

How does not playing much defense in Summer League imply being "much much worse" than players who were already worst in the league? That player doesn't even exist in the league.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Ilikesports17 on July 25, 2017, 12:51:47 AM
Is actually probably a good thing. Hey will be a little better we want them to have the 2nd worse record.😉😉😉

It's a bad thing once they add Rajon Rondo. They will be a 10th seed in the West with Rondo/Ball/KCP/Ingram/Lopez

That lineup looks terrible defensively.

It is, but it can't be any worse than one that featured Russell, Young and Williams. Those guys all played 25-30MPG and were among the very worst at their positions defensively. KCP is a massive upgrade over any of them.

Lopez is no DPOY but he's really no worse than Mozgov, even defensively. He's slow and protects the rim, and his DPM is at least average.
The Ball could be a lot worse than Russel and Young defensively actually and he's unlikely to be as good as Lou Williams was offensively.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: byennie on July 25, 2017, 01:03:29 AM
Is actually probably a good thing. Hey will be a little better we want them to have the 2nd worse record.😉😉😉

It's a bad thing once they add Rajon Rondo. They will be a 10th seed in the West with Rondo/Ball/KCP/Ingram/Lopez

That lineup looks terrible defensively.

It is, but it can't be any worse than one that featured Russell, Young and Williams. Those guys all played 25-30MPG and were among the very worst at their positions defensively. KCP is a massive upgrade over any of them.

Lopez is no DPOY but he's really no worse than Mozgov, even defensively. He's slow and protects the rim, and his DPM is at least average.
The Ball could be a lot worse than Russel and Young defensively actually and he's unlikely to be as good as Lou Williams was offensively.

Why? Russell and Young were just as bad defensively as your typical poor-defending rookie PG. Why would Ball be any worse?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Ilikesports17 on July 25, 2017, 01:22:54 AM
Is actually probably a good thing. Hey will be a little better we want them to have the 2nd worse record.😉😉😉

It's a bad thing once they add Rajon Rondo. They will be a 10th seed in the West with Rondo/Ball/KCP/Ingram/Lopez

That lineup looks terrible defensively.

It is, but it can't be any worse than one that featured Russell, Young and Williams. Those guys all played 25-30MPG and were among the very worst at their positions defensively. KCP is a massive upgrade over any of them.

Lopez is no DPOY but he's really no worse than Mozgov, even defensively. He's slow and protects the rim, and his DPM is at least average.
The Ball could be a lot worse than Russel and Young defensively actually and he's unlikely to be as good as Lou Williams was offensively.

Why? Russell and Young were just as bad defensively as your typical poor-defending rookie PG. Why would Ball be any worse?
That's not quite true. Young was actually OK defensively and while Russell certainly wasn't good, he had begun to learn to use his length to his advantage. I think Lonzo will be worse.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: trickybilly on July 25, 2017, 02:03:04 AM
So, did Philly put the protection on in the Boston deal, or did LA put in on in the earlier deal with Philly?

In other words, if the Lakers get the 7th pick do they keep it, or does it go to Philly?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: MattyIce on July 25, 2017, 02:19:25 AM
So, did Philly put the protection on in the Boston deal, or did LA put in on in the earlier deal with Philly?

In other words, if the Lakers get the 7th pick do they keep it, or does it go to Philly?

philly put protection on the 1, C's put protection if its above 5

if it's 7 then philly keeps it
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: byennie on July 25, 2017, 02:35:47 AM
That's not quite true. Young was actually OK defensively and while Russell certainly wasn't good, he had begun to learn to use his length to his advantage. I think Lonzo will be worse.

The numbers don't support that, IMO.

Russell: 76th out of 83 point guards in DRPM (61st out of 68 last year)
Young: 70th out of 93 shooting guards (72nd out of 75 last year)

Meanwhile, Larry Nance was 11/81, Deng was 14/70, Brewer was 11/93, and Randle + Mozgov were more in the "ok" range.

Russell, Young, Clarkson and Williams were the 4 worst defenders on the worst defense in the league, and all of it was in line with their whole careers. Ball might fit right in, but being noticeably *worse* is a bold claim considering the baseline.




Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on August 02, 2017, 10:53:44 AM
Is it just me, or is LAL getting wildly overrated in recent power rankings? I've seen several lists where they're ranked 20th or higher, but I seriously cannot see 10 teams with worse records with them being in the loaded West. I think they're greatly exaggerating Lonzo's summer league performance and Lopez getting traded there.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Somebody on August 02, 2017, 10:55:52 AM
Is it just me, or is LAL getting wildly overrated in recent power rankings? I've seen several lists where they're ranked 20th or higher, but I seriously cannot see 10 teams with worse records with them being in the loaded West. I think they're greatly exaggerating Lonzo's summer league performance and Lopez getting traded there.
They get overrated every year...usually I bump them down 6 spots or so in years that they're young and unproven...usually us right so I guess they'll be at 26 or so, which means a good chance of getting that pick 8) ;D
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: mef730 on August 02, 2017, 11:27:06 AM
Is it just me, or is LAL getting wildly overrated in recent power rankings? I've seen several lists where they're ranked 20th or higher, but I seriously cannot see 10 teams with worse records with them being in the loaded West. I think they're greatly exaggerating Lonzo's summer league performance and Lopez getting traded there.

The good news for them is that they have a total of 8 games against Indy, Brooklyn, Chicago and Atlanta.

The bad news for them is that they have 74 games against the rest of the league.

There are going to be a lot of 121-117 Lakers games this year. They'll win a few that they shouldn't win because a couple of players will get hot at the same time. I've got five teams behind  them, although I couldn't tell you which five it will be.

Mike
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: JHTruth on August 02, 2017, 11:28:03 AM
Is it just me, or is LAL getting wildly overrated in recent power rankings? I've seen several lists where they're ranked 20th or higher, but I seriously cannot see 10 teams with worse records with them being in the loaded West. I think they're greatly exaggerating Lonzo's summer league performance and Lopez getting traded there.

The Laker win projections are always highly inflated almost everywhere you look (especially the last few years). I think part of it is no really wants to believe the Lakers, probably the League's premier franchise, are really THAT bad, even when they are. This is the longest stretch the Lakers have gone without the playoffs ever. The 2015-16 squad was probably their worst ever. No one wants to see them become the Knicks, for the sake of the league and all those who make a living covering it. Hence the insane Ball hype during summer league, as if they had just won the Championship haha.

Even Pelton was overestimating them by 7-8 wins for a few years and finally pulled back last year.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Future Celtics Owner on August 02, 2017, 12:19:15 PM
Is actually probably a good thing. Hey will be a little better we want them to have the 2nd worse record.😉😉😉

It's a bad thing once they add Rajon Rondo. They will be a 10th seed in the West with Rondo/Ball/KCP/Ingram/Lopez

That lineup looks terrible defensively.

It is, but it can't be any worse than one that featured Russell, Young and Williams. Those guys all played 25-30MPG and were among the very worst at their positions defensively. KCP is a massive upgrade over any of them.

Lopez is no DPOY but he's really no worse than Mozgov, even defensively. He's slow and protects the rim, and his DPM is at least average.
The Ball could be a lot worse than Russel and Young defensively actually and he's unlikely to be as good as Lou Williams was offensively.

Why? Russell and Young were just as bad defensively as your typical poor-defending rookie PG. Why would Ball be any worse?
That's not quite true. Young was actually OK defensively and while Russell certainly wasn't good, he had begun to learn to use his length to his advantage. I think Lonzo will be worse.
They will prob have to hide Ball on the other teams SG and have KCP defend the PG
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: saltlover on August 02, 2017, 12:35:43 PM
Is it just me, or is LAL getting wildly overrated in recent power rankings? I've seen several lists where they're ranked 20th or higher, but I seriously cannot see 10 teams with worse records with them being in the loaded West. I think they're greatly exaggerating Lonzo's summer league performance and Lopez getting traded there.

The Laker win projections are always highly inflated almost everywhere you look (especially the last few years). I think part of it is no really wants to believe the Lakers, probably the League's premier franchise, are really THAT bad, even when they are. This is the longest stretch the Lakers have gone without the playoffs ever. The 2015-16 squad was probably their worst ever. No one wants to see them become the Knicks, for the sake of the league and all those who make a living covering it. Hence the insane Ball hype during summer league, as if they had just won the Championship haha.

Even Pelton was overestimating them by 7-8 wins for a few years and finally pulled back last year.

I thought this too, but I went back and looked at last year's pre-season power rankings and they were 28-29 across the board.  Nets were last, and then it was a battle between the Lakers and Philly for second-worst.

That said, I'm of the mind that people do not understand how atrocious their defense will be this year, and how ultimately that's going to weigh down their record significantly.  They were bad at defense last year, and then added two poor defenders in Lopez and Ball.  KCP's defense is also questionable -- maybe not outright bad, but good is probably overrating him.  Randle isn't a good defender either.  A starting lineup of Ball, KCP, Ingram, Randle, and Lopez could wind up becoming a layup drill many nights.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on August 02, 2017, 12:59:15 PM
Espn just had a segment about banana boat 2018

Lebron / cp3 / Melo / wade joining the Lakers next off season as free agents
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: JHTruth on August 02, 2017, 01:00:52 PM
Is it just me, or is LAL getting wildly overrated in recent power rankings? I've seen several lists where they're ranked 20th or higher, but I seriously cannot see 10 teams with worse records with them being in the loaded West. I think they're greatly exaggerating Lonzo's summer league performance and Lopez getting traded there.

The Laker win projections are always highly inflated almost everywhere you look (especially the last few years). I think part of it is no really wants to believe the Lakers, probably the League's premier franchise, are really THAT bad, even when they are. This is the longest stretch the Lakers have gone without the playoffs ever. The 2015-16 squad was probably their worst ever. No one wants to see them become the Knicks, for the sake of the league and all those who make a living covering it. Hence the insane Ball hype during summer league, as if they had just won the Championship haha.

Even Pelton was overestimating them by 7-8 wins for a few years and finally pulled back last year.

I thought this too, but I went back and looked at last year's pre-season power rankings and they were 28-29 across the board.  Nets were last, and then it was a battle between the Lakers and Philly for second-worst.

That said, I'm of the mind that people do not understand how atrocious their defense will be this year, and how ultimately that's going to weigh down their record significantly.  They were bad at defense last year, and then added two poor defenders in Lopez and Ball.  KCP's defense is also questionable -- maybe not outright bad, but good is probably overrating him.  Randle isn't a good defender either.  A starting lineup of Ball, KCP, Ingram, Randle, and Lopez could wind up becoming a layup drill many nights.

I wouldn't worry too much about the power rankings. No media outlet ever went broke over-hyping the Lakers. The combined hype-bubble of Lonzo, Magic, and Pelinka is probably inflating Laker projections at least 5-6 games at the moment, even in betting markets. The Celtics have their own internal analytics that told them to trade for the pick. We'll see if it pays off..
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on August 02, 2017, 01:02:06 PM
So, did Philly put the protection on in the Boston deal, or did LA put in on in the earlier deal with Philly?

In other words, if the Lakers get the 7th pick do they keep it, or does it go to Philly?
This has been mentioned several times but after this past draft Philly owns the LAL pick with no protections (like Boston and Brooklyn picks this year and next). Philly put the No.1 protection and 6-30 in trade for Fultz (per Ainge's request so he can have a chance at a top 5 pick if he doesn't get one next year). Philly gets pick if it's not 2-5. That is all. Please make a note of it :)
As for next year, Philly put protection on the Sacramento pick they own outright without protection so if it's No. 1 Philly owns it and we get the Philly pick. Otherwise we get the better of the Sacramento of Philly pick (again, as long as it's not No.1 overall).
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on August 03, 2017, 07:47:03 AM
Is actually probably a good thing. Hey will be a little better we want them to have the 2nd worse record.😉😉😉

It's a bad thing once they add Rajon Rondo. They will be a 10th seed in the West with Rondo/Ball/KCP/Ingram/Lopez

That lineup looks terrible defensively.

It is, but it can't be any worse than one that featured Russell, Young and Williams. Those guys all played 25-30MPG and were among the very worst at their positions defensively. KCP is a massive upgrade over any of them.

Lopez is no DPOY but he's really no worse than Mozgov, even defensively. He's slow and protects the rim, and his DPM is at least average.
The Ball could be a lot worse than Russel and Young defensively actually and he's unlikely to be as good as Lou Williams was offensively.

Why? Russell and Young were just as bad defensively as your typical poor-defending rookie PG. Why would Ball be any worse?
That's not quite true. Young was actually OK defensively and while Russell certainly wasn't good, he had begun to learn to use his length to his advantage. I think Lonzo will be worse.
They will prob have to hide Ball on the other teams SG and have KCP defend the PG
This. Although I wonder what kind of year KCP will have given his one year contract. Is he going to try to put up big offensive numbers to make more money in '18? How will that affect his defense?

Anyway, I'm anticipating the Lakers being a bottom 3 defense this season so if everything else goes well and the offense overperforms and Ball is terrific on day 1, their best case scenario is still something like 29 wins.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: TheSundanceKid on September 01, 2017, 08:49:51 AM
Here's some reasons why the Lakers will be trash this year:

1. They trash

2. Next summer they want enough cap space to sign 2 max free agents. Obviously it depends which ones as to how much cap space they need to create but currently they would need to shed about $20m to sign George and Westbrook, more if they wanted to sign LeBron instead. That means shedding at least Luol Deng and his 3 years averaging $18m. They'll need to throw some incentive into that deal and the deal won't make them better this year. They'll need expirings in return, Milwaukee may be a place to look...

3. Building on the above they will likely also need to move Clarkson, a more reasonable deal at 3 years averaging $12.5m. Depending on how much future salary they choose to take back they may have limited options here, again its unlikely they improve.

4. As the Lakers have planned there are a lot of guys about to hit free agency at a sensitive time in the market. We have seen this summer how the 'middle class' of the NBA have been squeezed. There's a lot of guys on that roster who are going to want to ensure they get paid, will they be as willing to sacrifice for the team?

5. They are integrating a new point guard into their system, a ball dominant one at that. However good he may become, there will be growing pains which will impact this team. Their margin for error is already small. As I have pointed out above, will others sacrifice for the team? If they don't then it will be harder for Ball to make this team function.

6. They trash
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on September 01, 2017, 09:07:52 AM
Here's some reasons why the Lakers will be trash this year:

2. Next summer they want enough cap space to sign 2 max free agents. Obviously it depends which ones as to how much cap space they need to create but currently they would need to shed about $20m to sign George and Westbrook, more if they wanted to sign LeBron instead. That means shedding at least Luol Deng and his 3 years averaging $18m. They'll need to throw some incentive into that deal and the deal won't make them better this year. They'll need expirings in return, Milwaukee may be a place to look...

Why in the world would Milwaukee take on that Deng contract?  They don't have any cap space so they aren't a good partner for a salary dump trade.  They just had to waive and stretch Hawes to get under luxury tax.   
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: TheSundanceKid on September 01, 2017, 10:53:32 AM
Here's some reasons why the Lakers will be trash this year:

2. Next summer they want enough cap space to sign 2 max free agents. Obviously it depends which ones as to how much cap space they need to create but currently they would need to shed about $20m to sign George and Westbrook, more if they wanted to sign LeBron instead. That means shedding at least Luol Deng and his 3 years averaging $18m. They'll need to throw some incentive into that deal and the deal won't make them better this year. They'll need expirings in return, Milwaukee may be a place to look...

Why in the world would Milwaukee take on that Deng contract?  They don't have any cap space so they aren't a good partner for a salary dump trade.  They just had to waive and stretch Hawes to get under luxury tax.
It wouldn't be a salary dump, they'd match it with Monroe's expiring. It would depend on what else LAL were willing to throw into the deal. Perhaps adding Larry Nance jr and a pick would help. It would have to happen alongside some other moves in order for them to stay under the luxury tax next year as well. Perhaps by the trade deadline there has been more change in Milwaukee. That's not the only place though, strange as it sounds, Lakers could look to trade for Wade midseason (should he still be in Chi), giving Chicago some extra assets for their rebuild, then buy him out late in the season.

It will be difficult for the Lakers to move Deng though which is part of my point. They have to move him if they want their free agents next summer, the price of moving him is likely going to take a few pieces that would help them win this year, making their win total lower.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: green_bballers13 on September 01, 2017, 10:57:13 AM
I think the Lakers will figure out how to be better than the 5th worst team. A lot of teams at the bottom will be fighting for that #1 pick. If LA adopts this path, they are more likely to convey the pick to their sworn enemy.

I'm banking on the 2019 Kings pick.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: TheSundanceKid on September 01, 2017, 11:03:45 AM
I think the Lakers will figure out how to be better than the 5th worst team. A lot of teams at the bottom will be fighting for that #1 pick. If LA adopts this path, they are more likely to convey the pick to their sworn enemy.

I'm banking on the 2019 Kings pick.
The only truly bad teams in the East are Atlanta and Chicago. Indiana have made moves that suggest they still want to be competitive and we know that Brooklyn aren't going to actively tank.
In the West it's a little murkier but the Mavs, Kings and Pels all have talent that should pull them away from a disastrous season. That leaves the Lakers and Suns at the bottom. I guess it depends how much the Suns want to lose, history suggests they will try to win and simply fall short.
I think it's reasonable to have LAL as the 5th worst team in the league right now. The thing to watch will be if they make changes that worsen themselves in preparation for next summer and if any teams currently above them (like the Knicks) make moves that make them worse than LAL. There's a lot that can go wrong in LA this year, that roster does not inspire confidence
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on September 15, 2017, 12:45:29 PM
I'd love to see drama unfolding in La La Land this season involving LaVar and Lonzo  :laugh:

Would make our chances at the pick conveying this season a lot better  ;D

Truthfully though I think LAL are probably going to be 4th or 5th worst in the league (Kings, maybe Suns and 2 other East teams will be even worse), so may need some lottery luck too.

I'm hoping with Kyrie on board the national media and NBA favors the C's a little more now, including helping us out in lottery LOL.  ;)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: smokeablount on September 15, 2017, 02:51:00 PM
Here's some reasons why the Lakers will be trash this year:

2. Next summer they want enough cap space to sign 2 max free agents. Obviously it depends which ones as to how much cap space they need to create but currently they would need to shed about $20m to sign George and Westbrook, more if they wanted to sign LeBron instead. That means shedding at least Luol Deng and his 3 years averaging $18m. They'll need to throw some incentive into that deal and the deal won't make them better this year. They'll need expirings in return, Milwaukee may be a place to look...

Why in the world would Milwaukee take on that Deng contract?  They don't have any cap space so they aren't a good partner for a salary dump trade.  They just had to waive and stretch Hawes to get under luxury tax.
It wouldn't be a salary dump, they'd match it with Monroe's expiring. It would depend on what else LAL were willing to throw into the deal. Perhaps adding Larry Nance jr and a pick would help. It would have to happen alongside some other moves in order for them to stay under the luxury tax next year as well. Perhaps by the trade deadline there has been more change in Milwaukee. That's not the only place though, strange as it sounds, Lakers could look to trade for Wade midseason (should he still be in Chi), giving Chicago some extra assets for their rebuild, then buy him out late in the season.

It will be difficult for the Lakers to move Deng though which is part of my point. They have to move him if they want their free agents next summer, the price of moving him is likely going to take a few pieces that would help them win this year, making their win total lower.

TP, your original post and this follow up make some good points. 

I'm not super knowledgeable about the prospects in 2019 (link below) but just based on the names and basic details, I am really hoping the LA pick conveys this year.  There just isn't a ton of top shelf talent with size based on the current rankings.  While I'd be stoked to get a young superstar no matter what position he plays, failing that, I'd like to lock in a teenage PF.

Zion Williamson has a lot of hype and is listed as a combo forward, but at 6'6" I'm having a hard time seeing him as a PF on our weak rebounding team without a growth spurt.  Know nothing about the international PF in the top 10. 

I hear some really good things about Bol Bol, but he looks like the only 2019 equivalent to Bamba/Ayton/Williams, and if he's actually likely to go #2 (I don't take nbadraft.net as gospel by any means) then it's hard to be optimistic that we have a real shot at him.  And with Bagley now in this year's draft, the 'young superstar' potential players at all positions become ever more scarce.  At least RJ Barrett reclassified into 2019 to kind of balance out the osmosis.

So... long story short... let's pray that the LA pick lands this year and we have a choice between at least 2 of Bagley, Porter, Ayton, Bamba, Williams, and Doncic who is looking more and more like a guy I'd be stoked to get even if it doesn't seem like we have room for him.

http://www.nbadraft.net/2019mock_draft
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on September 15, 2017, 02:51:00 PM
I'm hoping to see a lot of highlights of other teams' PG's roasting Ball this year.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: smokeablount on September 15, 2017, 02:59:06 PM
I'm hoping to see a lot of highlights of other teams' PG's roasting Ball this year.

I think you're in luck.  Unless he's a Usain Bolt-quick learner, he should get roasted this year. 

He's used to always being the biggest guard on the court and still having good speed and better shooting than his man, but at this level he's either going to find that his combo of size and shooting may actually be worse than who he's guarding more often than not... or he's going to be facing a lot of guys who aren't too much slower than De'Aaron Fox, who we all know lit him the F up in every game without even really having much of a jumper in his arsenal.

I'm hoping he's like the LA version of 2016-17 IT4- good offense with porous D, except IT's offense came from scoring, and Lonzo's will come from creating for others.  The other key difference is that IT's team finished first in his conference.  Here's hoping Lonzo's finishes last.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Neurotic Guy on September 15, 2017, 03:46:45 PM
Here's some reasons why the Lakers will be trash this year:

2. Next summer they want enough cap space to sign 2 max free agents. Obviously it depends which ones as to how much cap space they need to create but currently they would need to shed about $20m to sign George and Westbrook, more if they wanted to sign LeBron instead. That means shedding at least Luol Deng and his 3 years averaging $18m. They'll need to throw some incentive into that deal and the deal won't make them better this year. They'll need expirings in return, Milwaukee may be a place to look...

Why in the world would Milwaukee take on that Deng contract?  They don't have any cap space so they aren't a good partner for a salary dump trade.  They just had to waive and stretch Hawes to get under luxury tax.
It wouldn't be a salary dump, they'd match it with Monroe's expiring. It would depend on what else LAL were willing to throw into the deal. Perhaps adding Larry Nance jr and a pick would help. It would have to happen alongside some other moves in order for them to stay under the luxury tax next year as well. Perhaps by the trade deadline there has been more change in Milwaukee. That's not the only place though, strange as it sounds, Lakers could look to trade for Wade midseason (should he still be in Chi), giving Chicago some extra assets for their rebuild, then buy him out late in the season.

It will be difficult for the Lakers to move Deng though which is part of my point. They have to move him if they want their free agents next summer, the price of moving him is likely going to take a few pieces that would help them win this year, making their win total lower.

 

So... long story short... let's pray that the LA pick lands this year and we have a choice between at least 2 of Bagley, Porter, Ayton, Bamba, Williams, and Doncic who is looking more and more like a guy I'd be stoked to get even if it doesn't seem like we have room for him.

http://www.nbadraft.net/2019mock_draft

An interesting reality (I think) will be that there will be pre-lottery and trade deadline value for this pick IF LAL is hanging in there with one of the worst records in the league.   LAL loses early (and Kings look bad) and the LAL/Sac pick becomes pretty valuable at the deadline.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on September 19, 2017, 12:13:22 AM
Welcome Andrew Bogut!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: SparzWizard on September 19, 2017, 12:18:02 AM
That's a huge blow to our Lakers pick now that they landed Andrew Bogut. They could be doing some serious damage if he's healthy.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on September 19, 2017, 12:25:14 AM
Andrew bogut doesn't make or break any team. He adds 0 wins  to a team. To be honest I doubt he plays much

Lakers will have Lopez randle  And kuzma taking most of the 4/5 minutes
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Sixth Man on September 19, 2017, 12:52:39 AM
Andrew bogut doesn't make or break any team. He adds 0 wins  to a team. To be honest I doubt he plays much

Lakers will have Lopez randle  And kuzma taking most of the 4/5 minutes

Agreed, but he did break his leg less than one minute into his Cavaliers career!  Really, you couldn't make it up.  :laugh:
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: trickybilly on September 19, 2017, 02:26:00 AM
Andrew bogut doesn't make or break any team. He adds 0 wins  to a team. To be honest I doubt he plays much

Lakers will have Lopez randle  And kuzma taking most of the 4/5 minutes

If Bogut manages to play 50 games, I think he adds several wins. Just want to be on the record saying that now/
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Androslav on September 19, 2017, 03:02:02 AM
Andrew bogut doesn't make or break any team. He adds 0 wins  to a team. To be honest I doubt he plays much

Lakers will have Lopez randle  And kuzma taking most of the 4/5 minutes

If Bogut manages to play 50 games, I think he adds several wins. Just want to be on the record saying that now/
Last 6 years he has been playing 45,8 games per year. I like him, he is almost a Croatian, but the medical record doesn't lie.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on September 20, 2017, 02:25:33 PM
Andrew bogut doesn't make or break any team. He adds 0 wins  to a team. To be honest I doubt he plays much

Lakers will have Lopez randle  And kuzma taking most of the 4/5 minutes

If he stays healthy (which is a big IF. I agree), then he definitely could add some wins.

Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: fairweatherfan on September 20, 2017, 03:25:03 PM
Andrew bogut doesn't make or break any team. He adds 0 wins  to a team. To be honest I doubt he plays much

Lakers will have Lopez randle  And kuzma taking most of the 4/5 minutes

If Bogut manages to play 50 games, I think he adds several wins. Just want to be on the record saying that now/

I think at this stage of his career Bogut's one of those guys who becomes more valuable as the team around him gets better. The team around him's pretty awful right now. I think his impact will be fairly minimal, especially when he's backing up a more talented guy that he can't play alongside. Could be injury insurance for Brook, I suppose.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Donoghus on September 20, 2017, 04:41:25 PM
Watch, he'll end up pulling a Lopez and play 75 games this year.  :P
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: ashanm10 on September 20, 2017, 05:17:29 PM
oh, never seen this thread XD looking forward to all those losses, enough for a 2-5 ball ;p
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on September 21, 2017, 08:18:28 AM
Andrew bogut doesn't make or break any team. He adds 0 wins  to a team. To be honest I doubt he plays much

Lakers will have Lopez randle  And kuzma taking most of the 4/5 minutes

If Bogut manages to play 50 games, I think he adds several wins. Just want to be on the record saying that now/

I think at this stage of his career Bogut's one of those guys who becomes more valuable as the team around him gets better. The team around him's pretty awful right now. I think his impact will be fairly minimal, especially when he's backing up a more talented guy that he can't play alongside. Could be injury insurance for Brook, I suppose.
I was thinking Bogut's real value is probably off the court as a pass/defense first mentor with a championship for the young guys while also being a coach-in-the-locker-room type Walton can rely on.

Not sure how many wins that translates to.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: saltlover on September 21, 2017, 08:29:42 AM
Bogut got only $50k guaranteed for his 1-year minimum deal.  The likelihood that he contributes to winning basketball games is quite small.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: fairweatherfan on September 21, 2017, 09:20:15 AM
Andrew bogut doesn't make or break any team. He adds 0 wins  to a team. To be honest I doubt he plays much

Lakers will have Lopez randle  And kuzma taking most of the 4/5 minutes

If Bogut manages to play 50 games, I think he adds several wins. Just want to be on the record saying that now/

I think at this stage of his career Bogut's one of those guys who becomes more valuable as the team around him gets better. The team around him's pretty awful right now. I think his impact will be fairly minimal, especially when he's backing up a more talented guy that he can't play alongside. Could be injury insurance for Brook, I suppose.
I was thinking Bogut's real value is probably off the court as a pass/defense first mentor with a championship for the young guys while also being a coach-in-the-locker-room type Walton can rely on.

Not sure how many wins that translates to.

That's fair. Mentorship is more of a long-term investment anyway, so he might not need to help win this year to benefit the team.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on September 23, 2017, 03:26:29 PM
I fear this Melo trade might have hurt our chances at the LAL Pick conveying this summer.

Knicks were going to be bad but now they are REALLY bad with Melo gone (Kanter is no scrub, but he's not as good as Melo either).

Man I wish Ainge fought for some more favorable protections from that LAL Pick, like 2-7, not just 2-5.

Even a player from 6-10 in this upcoming draft would be spectacular (it's a DEEP draft loaded with big men). But only chance is 2-5....  :(
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: More Banners on September 23, 2017, 03:44:43 PM
I fear this Melo trade might have hurt our chances at the LAL Pick conveying this summer.

Knicks were going to be bad but now they are REALLY bad with Melo gone (Kanter is no scrub, but he's not as good as Melo either).

Man I wish Ainge fought for some more favorable protections from that LAL Pick, like 2-7, not just 2-5.

Even a player from 6-10 in this upcoming draft would be spectacular (it's a DEEP draft loaded with big men). But only chance is 2-5....  :(

Makes sense. I'm optimistic if he saw someone special he could put together enough other and future picks to swing something. I'm also okay with spreading out the acquisition of young players a bit.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: RodyTur10 on September 23, 2017, 04:44:07 PM
I fear this Melo trade might have hurt our chances at the LAL Pick conveying this summer.

Knicks were going to be bad but now they are REALLY bad with Melo gone (Kanter is no scrub, but he's not as good as Melo either).

Man I wish Ainge fought for some more favorable protections from that LAL Pick, like 2-7, not just 2-5.

Even a player from 6-10 in this upcoming draft would be spectacular (it's a DEEP draft loaded with big men). But only chance is 2-5....  :(

Isn't it the other way around? The Lakers' pick is protected for 6-30 by the Celtics, such that in that case we hopefully will get a better pick with the Kings' pick. So Ainge fought for not having to settle for a 6th or 7th pick. He clearly has very high expectations for this pick whether it's fullfilled in 2018 or 2019.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Ilikesports17 on September 23, 2017, 04:48:27 PM
I fear this Melo trade might have hurt our chances at the LAL Pick conveying this summer.

Knicks were going to be bad but now they are REALLY bad with Melo gone (Kanter is no scrub, but he's not as good as Melo either).

Man I wish Ainge fought for some more favorable protections from that LAL Pick, like 2-7, not just 2-5.

Even a player from 6-10 in this upcoming draft would be spectacular (it's a DEEP draft loaded with big men). But only chance is 2-5....  :(

Isn't it the other way around? The Lakers' pick is protected for 6-30 by the Celtics, such that in that case we hopefully will get a better pick with the Kings' pick. So Ainge fought for not having to settle for a 6th or 7th pick. He clearly has very high expectations for this pick whether it's fullfilled in 2018 or 2019.
would you really rather have the 2019 kings pick over picks 6 or 7 in this coming draft?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Ilikesports17 on September 23, 2017, 04:50:18 PM
I fear this Melo trade might have hurt our chances at the LAL Pick conveying this summer.

Knicks were going to be bad but now they are REALLY bad with Melo gone (Kanter is no scrub, but he's not as good as Melo either).

Man I wish Ainge fought for some more favorable protections from that LAL Pick, like 2-7, not just 2-5.

Even a player from 6-10 in this upcoming draft would be spectacular (it's a DEEP draft loaded with big men). But only chance is 2-5....  :(
Its too early to really judge a draft, but Ive heard several times that the '18 draft looks like on of the least deep drafts in recent memory. Remarkably top-heavy.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on September 23, 2017, 06:04:45 PM
I fear this Melo trade might have hurt our chances at the LAL Pick conveying this summer.

Knicks were going to be bad but now they are REALLY bad with Melo gone (Kanter is no scrub, but he's not as good as Melo either).

Man I wish Ainge fought for some more favorable protections from that LAL Pick, like 2-7, not just 2-5.

Even a player from 6-10 in this upcoming draft would be spectacular (it's a DEEP draft loaded with big men). But only chance is 2-5....  :(
Its too early to really judge a draft, but Ive heard several times that the '18 draft looks like on of the least deep drafts in recent memory. Remarkably top-heavy.
That's also what I've heard, that it's basically a 5-man draft.

The East gets worse but the West gets better. So my hope is, this translates to the bottom West teams (Sacramento, Phoenix, LA) having really low wins numbers and the bottom East teams managing more wins because they're all trying to lose against one another and someone will have to win some of those games.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Dino Pitino on September 23, 2017, 06:14:10 PM
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would you really rather have the 2019 kings pick over picks 6 or 7 in this coming draft?

The Kings pick, of course.

Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: RodyTur10 on September 23, 2017, 07:44:20 PM
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would you really rather have the 2019 kings pick over picks 6 or 7 in this coming draft?

The Kings pick, of course.

Though the protection for 1st is risky (because then we get the Philly pick) it seems rather unlikely that the Kings will improve much to get out of the bottom of the league, so I agree that you would take the chance on hoping that you obtain a 2nd or 3rd pick in 2019.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: TheSundanceKid on September 24, 2017, 04:10:45 AM
I fear this Melo trade might have hurt our chances at the LAL Pick conveying this summer.

Knicks were going to be bad but now they are REALLY bad with Melo gone (Kanter is no scrub, but he's not as good as Melo either).

Man I wish Ainge fought for some more favorable protections from that LAL Pick, like 2-7, not just 2-5.

Even a player from 6-10 in this upcoming draft would be spectacular (it's a DEEP draft loaded with big men). But only chance is 2-5....  :(

I'm not even sure this makes the Knicks worse yet. Melo is clearly the better player but whether he would've played or not and the issues his situation would've caused the team were not overly clear.

The key to this entire thread is people are overestimating LA. There are a max of 2 teams in the West worse than them and they are full of upcoming FAs who are going to be thinking about individual numbers. Those on longer contracts are going to be concerned with being traded to make cap room.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on September 25, 2017, 11:18:36 PM
I mean think of it this way, the Lakers play:

Group A.) The Warriors, Spurs, Rockets & Thunder 16 times

Group B.) The Celtics, Cavaliers & Raptors 6 times

Group C.) The Clippers, Grizzlies, Trailblazers, Nuggets, Pelicans & Timberwolves 20 times

Group D.) The Jazz & Mavericks 8 times

Group E.) The Wizards, Bucks, Heat & Hornets 8 times

Group F.) The Knicks & Pistons 4 times

Group G.) The Kings & Suns 8 Times

Group H.) The Bulls, Pacers, Nets, Magic & 76ers 10 times

I think this is a fair prediction of wins per Group for them: A.) 2, B.) 1, C.) 3, D.) 3, E.) 3, F.) 2, G.) 4, H.) 8

That's 26 wins - exactly where they finished this year.  Comfortably the 3rd worst odds.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: trickybilly on September 26, 2017, 12:16:36 AM
I mean think of it this way, the Lakers play:

Group A.) The Warriors, Spurs, Rockets & Thunder 16 times

Group B.) The Celtics, Cavaliers & Raptors 6 times

Group C.) The Clippers, Grizzlies, Trailblazers, Nuggets, Pelicans & Timberwolves 20 times

Group D.) The Jazz & Mavericks 8 times

Group E.) The Wizards, Bucks, Heat & Hornets 8 times

Group F.) The Knicks & Pistons 4 times

Group G.) The Kings & Suns 8 Times

Group H.) The Bulls, Pacers, Nets, Magic & 76ers 10 times

I think this is a fair prediction of wins per Group for them: A.) 2, B.) 1, C.) 3, D.) 3, E.) 3, F.) 2, G.) 4, H.) 8

That's 26 wins - exactly where they finished this year.  Comfortably the 3rd worst odds.

Nicework, I generally agree with this, although I would give them more than 2 losses against group H, and maybe fewer losses against the other team.

Seriously there is no way the Melo trade is bad for us. Knicks have 4 games against the Nets. Similarly, Lakers have to play 4 games against the Thunder. I will eat my hat if Lakers win any of those.

Bigger problem looms that Lakers get that #1 slot if you ask me, but of course then we all just move onto the next joyous season watch thread. TP's for everyone!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on September 26, 2017, 04:31:57 PM
I mean think of it this way, the Lakers play:

Group A.) The Warriors, Spurs, Rockets & Thunder 16 times

Group B.) The Celtics, Cavaliers & Raptors 6 times

Group C.) The Clippers, Grizzlies, Trailblazers, Nuggets, Pelicans & Timberwolves 20 times

Group D.) The Jazz & Mavericks 8 times

Group E.) The Wizards, Bucks, Heat & Hornets 8 times

Group F.) The Knicks & Pistons 4 times

Group G.) The Kings & Suns 8 Times

Group H.) The Bulls, Pacers, Nets, Magic & 76ers 10 times

I think this is a fair prediction of wins per Group for them: A.) 2, B.) 1, C.) 3, D.) 3, E.) 3, F.) 2, G.) 4, H.) 8

That's 26 wins - exactly where they finished this year.  Comfortably the 3rd worst odds.
TP for the schedule work. Very nice.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Eddie20 on September 29, 2017, 08:51:23 AM
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Can Julius Randle still dribble ball after taking defensive board? "For now, no. If you're a 4 or 5 man, find a point guard," Walton said.

Randle, like Aaron Gordon, has a knack for grabbing the board, dribbling up the court, and making a poor decision. Hopefully, Randle ignores Walton and keeps playing his game.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: footey on September 29, 2017, 09:21:13 AM
Have this feeling Lonzo is going to really improve that team this year, by 10-15 games. Just don't think we are getting their pick.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Eddie20 on September 29, 2017, 09:36:09 AM
Have this feeling Lonzo is going to really improve that team this year, by 10-15 games. Just don't think we are getting their pick.

Not in the west. Plus, if the vs Fox and UK game is any indication, he's going to have A LOT of problems defending opposing PG's. Especially in the western conference with Curry, Paul, Conley, Teague, Holiday, Westbrook, Bledsoe, Lillard, etc.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: mef730 on September 29, 2017, 09:38:50 AM
Have this feeling Lonzo is going to really improve that team this year, by 10-15 games. Just don't think we are getting their pick.

Not in the west. Plus, if the vs Fox and UK game is any indication, he's going to have A LOT of problems defending opposing PG's. Especially in the western conference with Curry, Paul, Conley, Teague, Holiday, Westbrook, Bledsoe, Lillard, etc.

But his daddy says he is better than all of those players...

Mike
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on September 29, 2017, 09:42:47 AM
I mean think of it this way, the Lakers play:

Group A.) The Warriors, Spurs, Rockets & Thunder 16 times

Group B.) The Celtics, Cavaliers & Raptors 6 times

Group C.) The Clippers, Grizzlies, Trailblazers, Nuggets, Pelicans & Timberwolves 20 times

Group D.) The Jazz & Mavericks 8 times

Group E.) The Wizards, Bucks, Heat & Hornets 8 times

Group F.) The Knicks & Pistons 4 times

Group G.) The Kings & Suns 8 Times

Group H.) The Bulls, Pacers, Nets, Magic & 76ers 10 times

I think this is a fair prediction of wins per Group for them: A.) 2, B.) 1, C.) 3, D.) 3, E.) 3, F.) 2, G.) 4, H.) 8

That's 26 wins - exactly where they finished this year.  Comfortably the 3rd worst odds.
TP for the breakdown. Great post.

This is going to make me print their schedule and attach this post to it to see how well your prediction goes.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: SHAQATTACK on September 29, 2017, 11:10:35 AM
I ll really have to hold my nose to watch laker basketball. .....there will be more Lavar highlights than opposing team replays . 

Absolutely brutal. basketball.

Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on October 01, 2017, 02:40:52 AM
So preseason first game over. Lakers shot 5-30 from 3 and Lose. Lopez out. If this continues, we're good Lol
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Somebody on October 01, 2017, 02:47:55 AM
Bustzo Ball will trash this team to the bottom of the west lol
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on October 01, 2017, 03:30:40 AM
https://instagram.com/p/BZsG8VOlCvv/

Butler blowing past Ingram and also due to lousy defense all around.

Also Teague blew past ball with complete ease all night. I don't even want to know what kyrie against ball  will do if Teague can do anything he wanted tonight.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on October 01, 2017, 08:36:55 AM
I mean think of it this way, the Lakers play:

Group A.) The Warriors, Spurs, Rockets & Thunder 16 times

Group B.) The Celtics, Cavaliers & Raptors 6 times

Group C.) The Clippers, Grizzlies, Trailblazers, Nuggets, Pelicans & Timberwolves 20 times

Group D.) The Jazz & Mavericks 8 times

Group E.) The Wizards, Bucks, Heat & Hornets 8 times

Group F.) The Knicks & Pistons 4 times

Group G.) The Kings & Suns 8 Times

Group H.) The Bulls, Pacers, Nets, Magic & 76ers 10 times

I think this is a fair prediction of wins per Group for them: A.) 2, B.) 1, C.) 3, D.) 3, E.) 3, F.) 2, G.) 4, H.) 8

That's 26 wins - exactly where they finished this year.  Comfortably the 3rd worst odds.
I think 26 wins will be more like 5th or 6th worst.  I expect 3 teams finish 20 or under.   
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: keevsnick on October 01, 2017, 09:35:50 AM
I mean think of it this way, the Lakers play:

Group A.) The Warriors, Spurs, Rockets & Thunder 16 times

Group B.) The Celtics, Cavaliers & Raptors 6 times

Group C.) The Clippers, Grizzlies, Trailblazers, Nuggets, Pelicans & Timberwolves 20 times

Group D.) The Jazz & Mavericks 8 times

Group E.) The Wizards, Bucks, Heat & Hornets 8 times

Group F.) The Knicks & Pistons 4 times

Group G.) The Kings & Suns 8 Times

Group H.) The Bulls, Pacers, Nets, Magic & 76ers 10 times

I think this is a fair prediction of wins per Group for them: A.) 2, B.) 1, C.) 3, D.) 3, E.) 3, F.) 2, G.) 4, H.) 8

That's 26 wins - exactly where they finished this year.  Comfortably the 3rd worst odds.
I think 26 wins will be more like 5th or 6th worst.  I expect 3 teams finish 20 or under.

Three teams finishing under 20 wins would be unprecedented in the modern NBA, its hard to win less than 20. I don't remember the exact stat but something like 6 teams have finished fewer than 20 winds in this millennium. 
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: keevsnick on October 01, 2017, 09:41:22 AM
I fear this Melo trade might have hurt our chances at the LAL Pick conveying this summer.

Knicks were going to be bad but now they are REALLY bad with Melo gone (Kanter is no scrub, but he's not as good as Melo either).

Man I wish Ainge fought for some more favorable protections from that LAL Pick, like 2-7, not just 2-5.

Even a player from 6-10 in this upcoming draft would be spectacular (it's a DEEP draft loaded with big men). But only chance is 2-5....  :(

If I may ask where do you get your draft information? Not trying to be a troll or anything I generally don't follow the draft that much this early but from what I've heard and seen this draft IS NOT considered all that deep. I still think I'd rather have the SAC pick in 19 than the 6-10 pick this year. 19 may not have as many good big men but that SAC pick is probably more useful in a trade *ANTHONY DAVIS* than the 6-10 pick this year. I think Ainge probably fought FOR the protections he got.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on October 01, 2017, 12:31:24 PM
I fear this Melo trade might have hurt our chances at the LAL Pick conveying this summer.

Knicks were going to be bad but now they are REALLY bad with Melo gone (Kanter is no scrub, but he's not as good as Melo either).

Man I wish Ainge fought for some more favorable protections from that LAL Pick, like 2-7, not just 2-5.

Even a player from 6-10 in this upcoming draft would be spectacular (it's a DEEP draft loaded with big men). But only chance is 2-5....  :(

If I may ask where do you get your draft information? Not trying to be a troll or anything I generally don't follow the draft that much this early but from what I've heard and seen this draft IS NOT considered all that deep. I still think I'd rather have the SAC pick in 19 than the 6-10 pick this year. 19 may not have as many good big men but that SAC pick is probably more useful in a trade *ANTHONY DAVIS* than the 6-10 pick this year. I think Ainge probably fought FOR the protections he got.
agree as well. 6-14 in this draft Isn't very exciting. Its well established that the next draft cuts off after 5 so danny did well on the protection side. Kings are going to be bad so that pick could be gold if this one doesn't convey.

Danny tends to win with patience. No one thought the nets picks were of ANY value when we first got them because everyone thought the nets would be contenders. Lol
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on October 01, 2017, 01:37:05 PM
I fear this Melo trade might have hurt our chances at the LAL Pick conveying this summer.

Knicks were going to be bad but now they are REALLY bad with Melo gone (Kanter is no scrub, but he's not as good as Melo either).

Man I wish Ainge fought for some more favorable protections from that LAL Pick, like 2-7, not just 2-5.

Even a player from 6-10 in this upcoming draft would be spectacular (it's a DEEP draft loaded with big men). But only chance is 2-5....  :(

If I may ask where do you get your draft information? Not trying to be a troll or anything I generally don't follow the draft that much this early but from what I've heard and seen this draft IS NOT considered all that deep. I still think I'd rather have the SAC pick in 19 than the 6-10 pick this year. 19 may not have as many good big men but that SAC pick is probably more useful in a trade *ANTHONY DAVIS* than the 6-10 pick this year. I think Ainge probably fought FOR the protections he got.
agree as well. 6-14 in this draft Isn't very exciting. Its well established that the next draft cuts off after 5 so danny did well on the protection side. Kings are going to be bad so that pick could be gold if this one doesn't convey.

Danny tends to win with patience. No one thought the nets picks were of ANY value when we first got them because everyone thought the nets would be contenders. Lol
That's just not true.  Lots of people thought the unprotected Nets pick were a good haul for Pierce and KG who were obviously on the decline. 

As for the next draft, nothing is well established since the college season hasn't been played yet.  Right now I like the top 7.  Miles Bridges and Robert Williams could have been in the top 10 of this draft if they hadn't decided to return for their sophomore season.  Especially like Robert Williams for us. 
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on October 01, 2017, 01:52:48 PM
I fear this Melo trade might have hurt our chances at the LAL Pick conveying this summer.

Knicks were going to be bad but now they are REALLY bad with Melo gone (Kanter is no scrub, but he's not as good as Melo either).

Man I wish Ainge fought for some more favorable protections from that LAL Pick, like 2-7, not just 2-5.

Even a player from 6-10 in this upcoming draft would be spectacular (it's a DEEP draft loaded with big men). But only chance is 2-5....  :(

If I may ask where do you get your draft information? Not trying to be a troll or anything I generally don't follow the draft that much this early but from what I've heard and seen this draft IS NOT considered all that deep. I still think I'd rather have the SAC pick in 19 than the 6-10 pick this year. 19 may not have as many good big men but that SAC pick is probably more useful in a trade *ANTHONY DAVIS* than the 6-10 pick this year. I think Ainge probably fought FOR the protections he got.
agree as well. 6-14 in this draft Isn't very exciting. Its well established that the next draft cuts off after 5 so danny did well on the protection side. Kings are going to be bad so that pick could be gold if this one doesn't convey.

Danny tends to win with patience. No one thought the nets picks were of ANY value when we first got them because everyone thought the nets would be contenders. Lol
That's just not true.  Lots of people thought the unprotected Nets pick were a good haul for Pierce and KG who were obviously on the decline. 

As for the next draft, nothing is well established since the college season hasn't been played yet.  Right now I like the top 7.  Miles Bridges and Robert Williams could have been in the top 10 of this draft if they hadn't decided to return for their sophomore season.  Especially like Robert Williams for us.
wrong. Dig up the thread from this very forum. A lot of people were disappointed that all we got were a bunch of picks from a team that seemed on the rise. The deandre jordan for KG trade was canceled by the nba so danny had to go to the next best offer which was this one.

https://www.celticsblog.com/2013/6/27/4472142/breaking-down-the-proposed-blockbuster-trade-kevin-garnett-paul

"please let kg kill this deal"

"Taking on Gerald Wallace and his terrible contract seems like an awful decision by Danny."
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on October 01, 2017, 02:00:35 PM
I mean think of it this way, the Lakers play:

Group A.) The Warriors, Spurs, Rockets & Thunder 16 times

Group B.) The Celtics, Cavaliers & Raptors 6 times

Group C.) The Clippers, Grizzlies, Trailblazers, Nuggets, Pelicans & Timberwolves 20 times

Group D.) The Jazz & Mavericks 8 times

Group E.) The Wizards, Bucks, Heat & Hornets 8 times

Group F.) The Knicks & Pistons 4 times

Group G.) The Kings & Suns 8 Times

Group H.) The Bulls, Pacers, Nets, Magic & 76ers 10 times

I think this is a fair prediction of wins per Group for them: A.) 2, B.) 1, C.) 3, D.) 3, E.) 3, F.) 2, G.) 4, H.) 8

That's 26 wins - exactly where they finished this year.  Comfortably the 3rd worst odds.
I think 26 wins will be more like 5th or 6th worst.  I expect 3 teams finish 20 or under.

Three teams finishing under 20 wins would be unprecedented in the modern NBA, its hard to win less than 20. I don't remember the exact stat but something like 6 teams have finished fewer than 20 winds in this millennium.
I said 20 or under not under 20 (say 15, 18, 20).  There are some really bad teams this year and I think there will be quite a bit of tanking.  In 2014-15, the TWolves, Knicks and Sixers all finished under 20 wins.  In 2015-16, the Sixers and Lakers finished under 20 win.  In 2013-14, the Bucks and Sixers finished under 20 wins. 

Looking at where 26 wins would finish in the 5 previous seasons. 
2016-17  3rd worst
2015-16  5th worst
2014-15  6th worst
2013-14  6th worst
2012-13  5th worst
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on October 01, 2017, 02:43:15 PM
I fear this Melo trade might have hurt our chances at the LAL Pick conveying this summer.

Knicks were going to be bad but now they are REALLY bad with Melo gone (Kanter is no scrub, but he's not as good as Melo either).

Man I wish Ainge fought for some more favorable protections from that LAL Pick, like 2-7, not just 2-5.

Even a player from 6-10 in this upcoming draft would be spectacular (it's a DEEP draft loaded with big men). But only chance is 2-5....  :(

If I may ask where do you get your draft information? Not trying to be a troll or anything I generally don't follow the draft that much this early but from what I've heard and seen this draft IS NOT considered all that deep. I still think I'd rather have the SAC pick in 19 than the 6-10 pick this year. 19 may not have as many good big men but that SAC pick is probably more useful in a trade *ANTHONY DAVIS* than the 6-10 pick this year. I think Ainge probably fought FOR the protections he got.
agree as well. 6-14 in this draft Isn't very exciting. Its well established that the next draft cuts off after 5 so danny did well on the protection side. Kings are going to be bad so that pick could be gold if this one doesn't convey.

Danny tends to win with patience. No one thought the nets picks were of ANY value when we first got them because everyone thought the nets would be contenders. Lol
That's just not true.  Lots of people thought the unprotected Nets pick were a good haul for Pierce and KG who were obviously on the decline. 

As for the next draft, nothing is well established since the college season hasn't been played yet.  Right now I like the top 7.  Miles Bridges and Robert Williams could have been in the top 10 of this draft if they hadn't decided to return for their sophomore season.  Especially like Robert Williams for us.
wrong. Dig up the thread from this very forum. A lot of people were disappointed that all we got were a bunch of picks from a team that seemed on the rise. The deandre jordan for KG trade was canceled by the nba so danny had to go to the next best offer which was this one.

https://www.celticsblog.com/2013/6/27/4472142/breaking-down-the-proposed-blockbuster-trade-kevin-garnett-paul

"please let kg kill this deal"

"Taking on Gerald Wallace and his terrible contract seems like an awful decision by Danny."
You said: "No one thought the nets picks were of ANY value when we first got them because everyone thought the nets would be contenders." 

The blog post you referenced show plenty of positive comments about the trade to prove your statement false.  To quote a few. 

That is exactly what Danny is thinking. So one of the worst run franchises in the NBA will give me 2014, 2016, and 2018 UNPROTECTED 1st rounders ALONG with the ability to suck next year (see taking KG/Pierce) and get an elite draft Pick, and the cost is absorbing 1 bad contract. Yup. Count me in!

Maybe not sexy but that is a pretty impressive haul for what The C’s would be giving up.

Will miss Pierce sentimentally But 3 first rounders is great value.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on October 03, 2017, 02:27:10 AM
Lakers lost again. They officially have a losing streak
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on October 06, 2017, 10:18:27 AM
Here's some pessimistic news:

On Bill Simmons' podcast, they did the over/unders for every team. The over/under for the Lakers was 33.5, which sounded high to me but then all 4 guys (Simmons, House, O'Connor, Concepcion) took the over for them.

Of course, I think they're all wrong. I'm taking the under.  8)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Who on October 06, 2017, 10:22:36 AM
Here's some pessimistic news:

On Bill Simmons' podcast, they did the over/unders for every team. The over/under for the Lakers was 33.5, which sounded high to me but then all 4 guys (Simmons, House, O'Connor, Concepcion) took the over for them.

Of course, I think they're all wrong. I'm taking the under.  8)

Me too.

Jeeez ... I'd be shocked if LAL got that many wins.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: td450 on October 06, 2017, 11:12:26 AM
I mean think of it this way, the Lakers play:

Group A.) The Warriors, Spurs, Rockets & Thunder 16 times

Group B.) The Celtics, Cavaliers & Raptors 6 times

Group C.) The Clippers, Grizzlies, Trailblazers, Nuggets, Pelicans & Timberwolves 20 times

Group D.) The Jazz & Mavericks 8 times

Group E.) The Wizards, Bucks, Heat & Hornets 8 times

Group F.) The Knicks & Pistons 4 times

Group G.) The Kings & Suns 8 Times

Group H.) The Bulls, Pacers, Nets, Magic & 76ers 10 times

I think this is a fair prediction of wins per Group for them: A.) 2, B.) 1, C.) 3, D.) 3, E.) 3, F.) 2, G.) 4, H.) 8

That's 26 wins - exactly where they finished this year.  Comfortably the 3rd worst odds.
I think 26 wins will be more like 5th or 6th worst.  I expect 3 teams finish 20 or under.
Winning 8 of 10 on Group H is a stretch.

Remember, wins are a zero sum game. If you look at this list, only the Kings and Suns are really weak in the west, and neither has less talent than the Lakers. Both teams also have guys that are terrible matchups for Lonzo. His problems matching up with De'Aaron Fox are well known. Eric Bledsoe is probably an even worse matchup, and he can't hide on Devin Booker either.

Meanwhile, the weak teams in the East are numerous, and they have to play each other. Someone has to win those games.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: SHAQATTACK on October 06, 2017, 11:42:32 AM
Nets new team has promise. Nets super sucked without Lopez ....he was all they had .

Wonder if Lakers will be the same way

no Lopez ...no body for Ball to toss lobs ...= No wins
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: keevsnick on October 06, 2017, 11:52:16 AM
Here's some pessimistic news:

On Bill Simmons' podcast, they did the over/unders for every team. The over/under for the Lakers was 33.5, which sounded high to me but then all 4 guys (Simmons, House, O'Connor, Concepcion) took the over for them.

Of course, I think they're all wrong. I'm taking the under.  8)

They are a bad team, no doubt. But how bad? They added Lopez who is very good and hasn't really had injurie problems for a couple years now. KCP is a solid basketball player. Ball is a rookie, but he will probably do more to help you win than Russel did. Ingram literally can't be worse than last year when he was one of the biggest negative in basketball. There are a lot of BAD teams in basketball right now. They may not be in the eats but they still get to play every one of teams twice. I think 33.5 is too high, but 26 is too low. I'm gonna say 30 wins for the Lakers.

Me too.

Jeeez ... I'd be shocked if LAL got that many wins.

33.5 in too high, but they will be much improve. ball is a bigger contributor to wins tan Russel. They added Lopez who is very good. KCP is solid. Ingram cant be worse than last year. They have no incentive to tank and a lot of other teams do. I say right around 30 wins.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on October 06, 2017, 12:44:45 PM
Here's some pessimistic news:

On Bill Simmons' podcast, they did the over/unders for every team. The over/under for the Lakers was 33.5, which sounded high to me but then all 4 guys (Simmons, House, O'Connor, Concepcion) took the over for them.

Of course, I think they're all wrong. I'm taking the under.  8)

They are a bad team, no doubt. But how bad? They added Lopez who is very good and hasn't really had injurie problems for a couple years now. KCP is a solid basketball player. Ball is a rookie, but he will probably do more to help you win than Russel did. Ingram literally can't be worse than last year when he was one of the biggest negative in basketball. There are a lot of BAD teams in basketball right now. They may not be in the eats but they still get to play every one of teams twice. I think 33.5 is too high, but 26 is too low. I'm gonna say 30 wins for the Lakers.

Me too.

Jeeez ... I'd be shocked if LAL got that many wins.

33.5 in too high, but they will be much improve. ball is a bigger contributor to wins tan Russel. They added Lopez who is very good. KCP is solid. Ingram cant be worse than last year. They have no incentive to tank and a lot of other teams do. I say right around 30 wins.

Ball and Ingram seem very fragile at this point. Both have been injured multiple times this year and the season hasn't even started.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: cman88 on October 06, 2017, 12:52:04 PM
the west is also much tougher than the east. While the lakers may be Better than many of the east's tankers, a tougher schedule may mean more/about even losses
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on October 09, 2017, 04:26:01 PM
So far in the preseason, the Lakers are 1-3. If you multiply that for 82 games, its 20.5 wins lol
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on October 11, 2017, 01:04:30 AM
Lakers lose again to jazz 105-99
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on October 19, 2017, 01:56:12 PM
Lakers lose again to jazz 105-99
Games that count start tonight for the LAL. They are at home vs. the Clippers. They are 6 point underdogs, not that it matters. I think they get smoked, having many new and young players. Bad combination so early in the season. The only way they win is if they shoot 50% or better from the field.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on October 20, 2017, 01:06:02 AM
Lakers lose again to jazz 105-99
Games that count start tonight for the LAL. They are at home vs. the Clippers. They are 6 point underdogs, not that it matters. I think they get smoked, having many new and young players. Bad combination so early in the season. The only way they win is if they shoot 50% or better from the field.
6 pt underdogs? Lol

The Lakers lose to the clippers by 16!


92-108

It was never close. The Lakers are atrocious. That pick we have is gold

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/los-angeles-clippers-los-angeles-lakers-2017101913/

Ingram 3-15 shot 20% Fg
Ball 1-6 (-14)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on October 20, 2017, 02:32:22 AM
Lakers lose again to jazz 105-99
Games that count start tonight for the LAL. They are at home vs. the Clippers. They are 6 point underdogs, not that it matters. I think they get smoked, having many new and young players. Bad combination so early in the season. The only way they win is if they shoot 50% or better from the field.
6 pt underdogs? Lol

The Lakers lose to the clippers by 16!


92-108

It was never close. The Lakers are atrocious. That pick we have is gold

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/los-angeles-clippers-los-angeles-lakers-2017101913/

Ingram 3-15 shot 20% Fg
Ball 1-6 (-14)

Could have been 40 if the Clips cared. Ugly.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: gouki88 on October 20, 2017, 02:43:51 AM
Beverley locked Lonzo down, and talked trash the whole time.

It was beautiful
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Who on October 20, 2017, 08:38:24 AM
Walton screwed up in picking the starting lineup.

PG: Ball
SG: Ingram
SF: Deng
PF: Nance
 C: Lopez

Walton cannot pick Deng and Nance as his forwards. It has to be one or the other. There isn't enough skill offensively (ball-handling, passing, shooting, shot-creation). It is too limited.

Ball, Ingram and Deng is far too slow defensively to be played as perimeter starters. Ingram needs to be played at the SF position. Not SG. Ball is what he is. Deng is the guy that needs to be replaced here and needs to be replaced by a quick guard who can defend.

Randle should not see any minutes at PF. Both Nance and Deng are superior players.
Randle could get the backup center minutes ahead of Bogut depending on matchups / need.


Terrible selection by Luke Walton. Shot his team in the foot before the opening tip even happened.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Banner18now! on October 20, 2017, 08:56:37 AM
But I thought the big baller dad said Lonzo was going to have this team in the playoffs? How log before the big baller is calling out Luke Walton and letting everyone know that if he was the coach they would be better?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on October 20, 2017, 12:04:47 PM
Yeah, it's just one game, but here's the issue. The Lakers defense is BAD.

They may need to outscore their opponents a lot to win games especially against the Western teams, and unless Lonzo becomes a consistent scorer, that seems unlikely.

Guessing they may also deal one of Randle or Clarkson mid-season to open up a second max contract slot this summer.

Could really help us with that Lakers Pick!  ;D
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Ilikesports17 on October 20, 2017, 12:19:40 PM
Walton screwed up in picking the starting lineup.

PG: Ball
SG: Ingram
SF: Deng
PF: Nance
 C: Lopez

Walton cannot pick Deng and Nance as his forwards. It has to be one or the other. There isn't enough skill offensively (ball-handling, passing, shooting, shot-creation). It is too limited.

Ball, Ingram and Deng is far too slow defensively to be played as perimeter starters. Ingram needs to be played at the SF position. Not SG. Ball is what he is. Deng is the guy that needs to be replaced here and needs to be replaced by a quick guard who can defend.

Randle should not see any minutes at PF. Both Nance and Deng are superior players.
Randle could get the backup center minutes ahead of Bogut depending on matchups / need.


Terrible selection by Luke Walton. Shot his team in the foot before the opening tip even happened.
yeah is Caldwell Pope injured?

thought it was obvious that he had to start at the 2 next to Lonzo. They need his defense badly.

Then slide Ingram in at the 3 and Lopez at the 5. Deng or Nance starts at the 4.

Its an awful roster, but Walton's lineup doomed them.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Fafnir on October 20, 2017, 12:26:15 PM
KCP was suspended for a DUI he had in the offseason.

I imagine KCP will play the SG position for the Lakers.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Who on October 20, 2017, 12:26:39 PM
Walton screwed up in picking the starting lineup.

PG: Ball
SG: Ingram
SF: Deng
PF: Nance
 C: Lopez

Walton cannot pick Deng and Nance as his forwards. It has to be one or the other. There isn't enough skill offensively (ball-handling, passing, shooting, shot-creation). It is too limited.

Ball, Ingram and Deng is far too slow defensively to be played as perimeter starters. Ingram needs to be played at the SF position. Not SG. Ball is what he is. Deng is the guy that needs to be replaced here and needs to be replaced by a quick guard who can defend.

Randle should not see any minutes at PF. Both Nance and Deng are superior players.
Randle could get the backup center minutes ahead of Bogut depending on matchups / need.


Terrible selection by Luke Walton. Shot his team in the foot before the opening tip even happened.
yeah is Caldwell Pope injured?

thought it was obvious that he had to start at the 2 next to Lonzo. They need his defense badly.

Then slide Ingram in at the 3 and Lopez at the 5. Deng or Nance starts at the 4.

Its an awful roster, but Walton's lineup doomed them.

KCP was suspended for 2 games for a DUI.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Ilikesports17 on October 20, 2017, 12:40:31 PM
Walton screwed up in picking the starting lineup.

PG: Ball
SG: Ingram
SF: Deng
PF: Nance
 C: Lopez

Walton cannot pick Deng and Nance as his forwards. It has to be one or the other. There isn't enough skill offensively (ball-handling, passing, shooting, shot-creation). It is too limited.

Ball, Ingram and Deng is far too slow defensively to be played as perimeter starters. Ingram needs to be played at the SF position. Not SG. Ball is what he is. Deng is the guy that needs to be replaced here and needs to be replaced by a quick guard who can defend.

Randle should not see any minutes at PF. Both Nance and Deng are superior players.
Randle could get the backup center minutes ahead of Bogut depending on matchups / need.


Terrible selection by Luke Walton. Shot his team in the foot before the opening tip even happened.
yeah is Caldwell Pope injured?

thought it was obvious that he had to start at the 2 next to Lonzo. They need his defense badly.

Then slide Ingram in at the 3 and Lopez at the 5. Deng or Nance starts at the 4.

Its an awful roster, but Walton's lineup doomed them.

KCP was suspended for 2 games for a DUI.
ah.

this clears things up. I didnt even realize he didn play until this morning.

He is a really big piece for them.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on October 20, 2017, 08:01:27 PM
1 game just doesn't mean anything. Still, it was nice signs all around.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: keevsnick on October 20, 2017, 08:21:13 PM
I am gonna greatly enjoy hate watching the Lakers this season. Its nice to have a little extra reason to want them to lose.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on October 20, 2017, 08:23:53 PM
i love how the lakers get rid of russell after only 2 seasons. they didnt give him a fair shake. the problem is that russell looks like an amazingly good player compared to ingram, ball, and randle. he was one of their best players. lopez is going to be in decline. its hard for me to understand why they would trade a young prospect on the rise
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: knuckleballer on October 20, 2017, 08:28:52 PM
i love how the lakers get rid of russell after only 2 seasons. they didnt give him a fair shake. the problem is that russell looks like an amazingly good player compared to ingram, ball, and randle. he was one of their best players. lopez is going to be in decline. its hard for me to understand why they would trade a young prospect on the rise

After what he did to Nick Young, he had to go.  Hs teammates must have hated him.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on October 20, 2017, 09:03:00 PM
i love how the lakers get rid of russell after only 2 seasons. they didnt give him a fair shake. the problem is that russell looks like an amazingly good player compared to ingram, ball, and randle. he was one of their best players. lopez is going to be in decline. its hard for me to understand why they would trade a young prospect on the rise

After what he did to Nick Young, he had to go.  Hs teammates must have hated him.
why would they hate him for being honest and letting an innocent female know she's being cheated on?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: knuckleballer on October 20, 2017, 09:09:47 PM
i love how the lakers get rid of russell after only 2 seasons. they didnt give him a fair shake. the problem is that russell looks like an amazingly good player compared to ingram, ball, and randle. he was one of their best players. lopez is going to be in decline. its hard for me to understand why they would trade a young prospect on the rise

After what he did to Nick Young, he had to go.  Hs teammates must have hated him.
why would they hate him for being honest and letting an innocent female know she's being cheated on?

You kidding?  It wasn't his business to get involved.  It was a terrible thing to do to a friend/teammate even though Young was a jerk himself.

If he was trying to help her, which I seriously doubt, then he should have done it privately.  Not post it on internet for the world to see.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on October 20, 2017, 11:54:11 PM
UGH looks like the Suns are in tank-mode for good.

Lakers now up 97-87...
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Rondo9 on October 21, 2017, 12:02:22 AM
That’s a good thing.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on October 21, 2017, 12:04:08 AM
That’s a good thing.

How??
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on October 21, 2017, 12:04:26 AM
Suns have 8 blocks this game lol
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Rondo9 on October 21, 2017, 12:06:54 AM
Lakers can’t be too bad or the Celtics may lose their pick.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Rondo9 on October 21, 2017, 12:33:04 AM
This game is hard to watch
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on October 21, 2017, 12:33:52 AM
Ball destroyed them. 29/11/9...
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Rondo9 on October 21, 2017, 12:38:25 AM
Ball destroyed them. 29/11/9...

Suns played no defense.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on October 21, 2017, 12:40:50 AM
Ball destroyed them. 29/11/9...

Suns played no defense.

No question. Neither did the Lakers. If that was Tatum though, people would not care if the opponents played d, we would be saying he will be ROY. Hell, people are saying it already.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Rondo9 on October 21, 2017, 12:44:55 AM
Ball destroyed them. 29/11/9...

Suns played no defense.

No question. Neither did the Lakers. If that was Tatum though, people would not care if the opponents played d, we would be saying he will be ROY. Hell, people are saying it already.

Meh there will be people who will downplay Tatum. This was an awful game.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on October 21, 2017, 12:49:40 AM
Ball destroyed them. 29/11/9...

In 27 fgas with 4 TOs and no defense. Not too impressed given the context. More due to terrible Suns D than anything, which is why yesterday day facing a better D he was shut down. Suns gave this game away.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: SparzWizard on October 21, 2017, 12:51:49 AM
Lakers' Big 3 of Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram, and Kyle Kuzma just pure domination. These are the young studs that the Celtics will be going up against real soon. Dangerous.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on October 21, 2017, 01:01:54 AM
Pretend all you want that you wouldn't be talking this game up if it was Tatum but I'm not. The kid played well! I don't care who you play, 29/10/9 is a very good night for anyone let alone someone in his 2nd game of his rookie season.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Snakehead on October 21, 2017, 01:02:23 AM
Lakers' Big 3 of Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram, and Kyle Kuzma just pure domination.

I heard everyone is just going to quit so they don't have to play them.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Rondo9 on October 21, 2017, 01:10:23 AM
Pretend all you want that you wouldn't be talking this game up if it was Tatum but I'm not. The kid played well! I don't care who you play, 29/10/9 is a very good night for anyone let alone someone in his 2nd game of his rookie season.

On 27 field goal attempts against a terrible Suns team.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Rondo9 on October 21, 2017, 01:12:05 AM
Lakers' Big 3 of Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram, and Kyle Kuzma just pure domination. These are the young studs that the Celtics will be going up against real soon. Dangerous.

Sarcasm?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on October 21, 2017, 01:12:09 AM
The Lakers did not "win" it. They were not the better team. The suns choked 2 free throws at the end.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on October 21, 2017, 01:30:16 AM
Pretend all you want that you wouldn't be talking this game up if it was Tatum but I'm not. The kid played well! I don't care who you play, 29/10/9 is a very good night for anyone let alone someone in his 2nd game of his rookie season.

On 27 field goal attempts against a terrible Suns team.

He was much better at the end if I had to guess he hit about 5 of his last 7 or 8 shots when the game was on the line and an assist or 2. I'm not saying he is great but he had a very good night. Again, if it was Tatum we wouldn't be having this convo!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Rondo9 on October 21, 2017, 01:37:11 AM
If it was Tatum people still be talking about the bad Suns defense. Even the Lakers announcers were shocked at how the Suns didn't guard Ball.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Somebody on October 21, 2017, 02:01:32 AM
Pretend all you want that you wouldn't be talking this game up if it was Tatum but I'm not. The kid played well! I don't care who you play, 29/10/9 is a very good night for anyone let alone someone in his 2nd game of his rookie season.

On 27 field goal attempts against a terrible Suns team.

He was much better at the end if I had to guess he hit about 5 of his last 7 or 8 shots when the game was on the line and an assist or 2. I'm not saying he is great but he had a very good night. Again, if it was Tatum we wouldn't be having this convo!
Tatum isn't the 1st option though, and if he was I'm pretty sure that he'd be nearing rookie Bird stats (not comparing them both a players but with the way how stats are counted nowadays it's easier to get better looking stats).
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on October 21, 2017, 02:25:17 AM
Pretend all you want that you wouldn't be talking this game up if it was Tatum but I'm not. The kid played well! I don't care who you play, 29/10/9 is a very good night for anyone let alone someone in his 2nd game of his rookie season.

On 27 field goal attempts against a terrible Suns team.

He was much better at the end if I had to guess he hit about 5 of his last 7 or 8 shots when the game was on the line and an assist or 2. I'm not saying he is great but he had a very good night. Again, if it was Tatum we wouldn't be having this convo!
Tatum isn't the 1st option though, and if he was I'm pretty sure that he'd be nearing rookie Bird stats (not comparing them both a players but with the way how stats are counted nowadays it's easier to get better looking stats).


Lol I'm not comparing them at all, unlike you, just because I thought Ball had a very good night that doesn't make it a diss of Tatum. In fact the only reason I mentioned Tatum was in reference to "if it was him." This had nothing to do with him in the context you are trying to use. This isn't a vs. thing, the kid played well and I mentioned it in a thread about his bum team!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on October 21, 2017, 02:30:21 AM
The Lakers did not "win" it. They were not the better team. The suns choked 2 free throws at the end.

Both teams played no defense. It was like an All Star game without the top tier talent. Everyone was just padding their stats on both sides for when they have to play the "Real" teams. That Laker pick is gold.

Also 71 free throws in this game...
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Somebody on October 21, 2017, 03:25:35 AM
Pretend all you want that you wouldn't be talking this game up if it was Tatum but I'm not. The kid played well! I don't care who you play, 29/10/9 is a very good night for anyone let alone someone in his 2nd game of his rookie season.

On 27 field goal attempts against a terrible Suns team.

He was much better at the end if I had to guess he hit about 5 of his last 7 or 8 shots when the game was on the line and an assist or 2. I'm not saying he is great but he had a very good night. Again, if it was Tatum we wouldn't be having this convo!
Tatum isn't the 1st option though, and if he was I'm pretty sure that he'd be nearing rookie Bird stats (not comparing them both a players but with the way how stats are counted nowadays it's easier to get better looking stats).


Lol I'm not comparing them at all, unlike you, just because I thought Ball had a very good night that doesn't make it a diss of Tatum. In fact the only reason I mentioned Tatum was in reference to "if it was him." This had nothing to do with him in the context you are trying to use. This isn't a vs. thing, the kid played well and I mentioned it in a thread about his bum team!
Lol that is a comparison imo but Lonzo did play well tonight (although it wasn't as good as Laker fans are hyping about rn). To answer your question I wouldn't be pleased with Tatum if he showed up like this once every 4 or 5 games, and I think Lonzo will come out flat for a few games after this.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on October 21, 2017, 09:49:12 AM
Lonzo had a great game, but they still gave up 130 to the Suns, and only won by 2.

And Suns may be one of the only few teams this year who could be worse than the Lakers.

So not too worried yet. Also, SAC won last night so they are 1-1 also.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on October 22, 2017, 10:57:35 AM
Lakers play the Pelicans tonight at home. Being at home is their only chance to hang in this game. Don't think they'll win this one though. The two bigs will dominate the inside game and the boards. The line is NO -3' right now.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: knuckleballer on October 22, 2017, 11:32:26 AM
Pretend all you want that you wouldn't be talking this game up if it was Tatum but I'm not. The kid played well! I don't care who you play, 29/10/9 is a very good night for anyone let alone someone in his 2nd game of his rookie season.

On 27 field goal attempts against a terrible Suns team.

The Suns just lost 88-130 to a mediocre Clippers team.  I'll take the Lakers win with a grain of salt.  I still think they're likely to give us a top 5 pick next draft.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: PAOBoston on October 22, 2017, 11:51:27 AM
Pretend all you want that you wouldn't be talking this game up if it was Tatum but I'm not. The kid played well! I don't care who you play, 29/10/9 is a very good night for anyone let alone someone in his 2nd game of his rookie season.

On 27 field goal attempts against a terrible Suns team.

The Suns just lost 88-130 to a mediocre Clippers team.  I'll take the Lakers win with a grain of salt.  I still think they're likely to give us a top 5 pick next draft.
The Suns might be one of the worst teams ever.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on October 22, 2017, 11:27:51 PM
The Lakers look better without Ball on the floor. The shooting and spacing looks much better...
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: mr. dee on October 22, 2017, 11:32:22 PM
Pelicans choking so hard right now. AD and Boogie settling for jumpshots.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on October 22, 2017, 11:38:29 PM
Pelicans choking so hard right now. AD and Boogie settling for jumpshots.

They need to Trade AD!  ;D
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: mr. dee on October 22, 2017, 11:40:15 PM
Pelicans choking so hard right now. AD and Boogie settling for jumpshots.

They need to Trade AD!  ;D

Pass. He's part of the collapse. He doesn't have that "take over" mentality.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Rondo9 on October 22, 2017, 11:42:33 PM
Pelicans choking so hard right now. AD and Boogie settling for jumpshots.

They need to Trade AD!  ;D

Pass. He's part of the collapse. He doesn't have that "take over" mentality.

That's why the Celtics have Kyrie!  :laugh:
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: mr. dee on October 22, 2017, 11:43:47 PM
Pelicans choking so hard right now. AD and Boogie settling for jumpshots.

They need to Trade AD!  ;D

Pass. He's part of the collapse. He doesn't have that "take over" mentality.

That's why the Celtics have Kyrie!  :laugh:

To Kyrie's credit, he tries to carry the sorry Cavs behind his back. AD seems content losing.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on October 22, 2017, 11:46:08 PM
Close game
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on October 22, 2017, 11:49:38 PM
Close game

Lakers had this game and then Walton went back to Ball. They were playing some crazy fast ball without Lonzo on the court.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on October 22, 2017, 11:51:12 PM
Losers lose that's the dagger
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on October 22, 2017, 11:51:14 PM
E'Twaun Moore was a good pick.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on October 22, 2017, 11:52:13 PM
haha ty Ball and the lakers, we need these losses.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on October 22, 2017, 11:58:02 PM
E'Twaun Moore was a good pick.
it's crazy how good Dannys 2nd round success is

Its even crazier cuz he picks late 2nd round usually
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on October 23, 2017, 12:01:25 AM
Honestly feeling good about the potential of this Lakers Pick.

Let's face it. The Lakers have NO DEFENSE. They'll have to score like 120+ a night just to win games and unless Lonzo becomes a legit scorer, that's not happening.

Meanwhile Suns look like they'll be absolute garbage and so could maybe 1 East Team. So likely a pick in the 2-5 range (fingers crossed) and not #1 or lower than #5.

We want LAL to be bad, but not super bad to the point where they have a decent chance at #1 (which would go to PHI).
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on October 23, 2017, 12:14:40 AM
Lakers lose and nets win. I imagine danny had a good day and celebrated with chipotle

One step closer to this
(https://scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/19227472_173119983226220_66687793996234752_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTU0MDIyMjQyNTI4MzQ2NjY5MQ%3D%3D.2)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on October 23, 2017, 12:15:29 AM
Honestly feeling good about the potential of this Lakers Pick.

Let's face it. The Lakers have NO DEFENSE. They'll have to score like 120+ a night just to win games and unless Lonzo becomes a legit scorer, that's not happening.

Meanwhile Suns look like they'll be absolute garbage and so could maybe 1 East Team. So likely a pick in the 2-5 range (fingers crossed) and not #1 or lower than #5.

We want LAL to be bad, but not super bad to the point where they have a decent chance at #1 (which would go to PHI).
yeah I noticed the Lakers horrid defense in the other games as well. Its really bad. Should bode well for our pick
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on October 23, 2017, 12:20:55 AM
Lakers lose and nets win. I imagine danny had a good day and celebrated with chipotle

One step closer to this
(https://scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/19227472_173119983226220_66687793996234752_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTU0MDIyMjQyNTI4MzQ2NjY5MQ%3D%3D.2)

Naw, I'd rather have Bagley or Ayton. Tatum projects to be our 4 for the foreseeable future with Brown and Hayward slotted in at the 2/3. I think both of them are just as good of prospects as Porter, while also fitting what we need more than Porter.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: gouki88 on October 23, 2017, 12:28:51 AM
Lakers lose and nets win. I imagine danny had a good day and celebrated with chipotle

One step closer to this
(https://scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/19227472_173119983226220_66687793996234752_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTU0MDIyMjQyNTI4MzQ2NjY5MQ%3D%3D.2)

Naw, I'd rather have Bagley or Ayton. Tatum projects to be our 4 for the foreseeable future with Brown and Hayward slotted in at the 2/3. I think both of them are just as good of prospects as Porter, while also fitting what we need more than Porter.
100% agree. Bagley at the 5 for that team would be dreamy, as would Ayton and his 40"+ vert
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on October 23, 2017, 12:38:48 AM
Lakers lose and nets win. I imagine danny had a good day and celebrated with chipotle

One step closer to this
(https://scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/19227472_173119983226220_66687793996234752_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTU0MDIyMjQyNTI4MzQ2NjY5MQ%3D%3D.2)

Naw, I'd rather have Bagley or Ayton. Tatum projects to be our 4 for the foreseeable future with Brown and Hayward slotted in at the 2/3. I think both of them are just as good of prospects as Porter, while also fitting what we need more than Porter.
I totally get it but I wouldn't be opposed to porter. But I agree that ayton baglet or even bamba probably makes more sense.  Also I couldn't find jersey swap pick of the other guys lol
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: saltlover on October 23, 2017, 12:45:16 AM
Honestly feeling good about the potential of this Lakers Pick.

Let's face it. The Lakers have NO DEFENSE. They'll have to score like 120+ a night just to win games and unless Lonzo becomes a legit scorer, that's not happening.

Meanwhile Suns look like they'll be absolute garbage and so could maybe 1 East Team. So likely a pick in the 2-5 range (fingers crossed) and not #1 or lower than #5.

We want LAL to be bad, but not super bad to the point where they have a decent chance at #1 (which would go to PHI).

We want the Lakers to pretty much be as bad as possible.

Chance of getting the Laker pick based on finish:

3rd worst - 80.4%
2nd worst - 80.1%
Dead last - 75%
4th worst - 70.9%
5th worst - 46.4%
6th worst - 15.2%

It's better for the Lakers to finish with the absolute worst record than it is for them to finish with the 4th-worst record, the odds plummet between 4th and 5th worst, and 6th worst isn't even worth talking about.  We want them to lose as many games as possible.  It's safer that way.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on October 23, 2017, 12:51:59 AM
Honestly feeling good about the potential of this Lakers Pick.

Let's face it. The Lakers have NO DEFENSE. They'll have to score like 120+ a night just to win games and unless Lonzo becomes a legit scorer, that's not happening.

Meanwhile Suns look like they'll be absolute garbage and so could maybe 1 East Team. So likely a pick in the 2-5 range (fingers crossed) and not #1 or lower than #5.

We want LAL to be bad, but not super bad to the point where they have a decent chance at #1 (which would go to PHI).

We want the Lakers to pretty much be as bad as possible.

Chance of getting the Laker pick based on finish:

3rd worst - 80.4%
2nd worst - 80.1%
Dead last - 75%
4th worst - 70.9%
5th worst - 46.4%
6th worst - 15.2%

It's better for the Lakers to finish with the absolute worst record than it is for them to finish with the 4th-worst record, the odds plummet between 4th and 5th worst, and 6th worst isn't even worth talking about.  We want them to lose as many games as possible.  It's safer that way.
exactly. We can't be picky between dead last and 2nd. We need them to lose. The greater threat isn't the Lakers being worst team. Its another 4 tanking teams having worse records
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Monkhouse on October 23, 2017, 12:52:32 AM
Porter has come out recently and suggested that people shouldn't be surprised if he did stay next year.

Quote
“If we don’t do as well as I believe we can do as a team but I still do great individually and am projected Top-5, Top-3, whatever, I don’t know if I would go [to the NBA draft],” he said at SEC media day. “I might come back just because I want to leave a legacy and help our team get back on course. Everybody thinks I’m not serious when I say that, but I actually might spend more than one year in college.”
It seems to be an annual rite of passage: Incoming 5-star recruits tease their new fanbases with hypothetical two-year stays before leaving town early. But Porter is admittedly in a unique situation.
He spent his middle-school years and early high-school career in Columbia, knows Missouri’s campus “like the back of my hand” and is excited to be surrounded by his family (his father is a Tigers assistant, his brother Jontay is a fellow incoming freshman, and two of his sisters play for the Missouri women’s team, which his aunt coaches).
There’s an opportunity at his hometown university that he didn’t see elsewhere.

“I always wanted to be the type of player that went to a school to make a difference,” he said. “I didn’t want to go to a Kansas or Kentucky where I could be another great player. I wanted to go to a school where I could really make a big difference and leave a legacy.”
Here are some of the other highlights from his media session at the Omni Hotel:

His entire family plays in collegiate teams, and his relatives are based around his respective college. Doubt he turns down that kind of money, but Porter staying could be a good and bad for thing us. What do you guys think?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on October 23, 2017, 01:05:54 AM
Porter has come out recently and suggested that people shouldn't be surprised if he did stay next year.

Quote
“If we don’t do as well as I believe we can do as a team but I still do great individually and am projected Top-5, Top-3, whatever, I don’t know if I would go [to the NBA draft],” he said at SEC media day. “I might come back just because I want to leave a legacy and help our team get back on course. Everybody thinks I’m not serious when I say that, but I actually might spend more than one year in college.”
It seems to be an annual rite of passage: Incoming 5-star recruits tease their new fanbases with hypothetical two-year stays before leaving town early. But Porter is admittedly in a unique situation.
He spent his middle-school years and early high-school career in Columbia, knows Missouri’s campus “like the back of my hand” and is excited to be surrounded by his family (his father is a Tigers assistant, his brother Jontay is a fellow incoming freshman, and two of his sisters play for the Missouri women’s team, which his aunt coaches).
There’s an opportunity at his hometown university that he didn’t see elsewhere.

“I always wanted to be the type of player that went to a school to make a difference,” he said. “I didn’t want to go to a Kansas or Kentucky where I could be another great player. I wanted to go to a school where I could really make a big difference and leave a legacy.”
Here are some of the other highlights from his media session at the Omni Hotel:

His entire family plays in collegiate teams, and his relatives are based around his respective college. Doubt he turns down that kind of money, but Porter staying could be a good and bad for thing us. What do you guys think?
I think he was asked a career question about the NBA draft and didn't want to alienate his college fanbase by admitting he'd like to enter the nba draft. The college season hasn't started yet so it's not the best time to tell the world you want to play pro basketball as soon as possible.  He gave a politically correct answer that didn't really answer the question " I might stay. Who knows." players like him are too good to stay. It would be highly shocking unless he has a really bad year


If he stays its not the worst thing in the world. There are other players in the next tier down that are still decent and have upside. Bigs like Carter, Williams, or bridges. I really like Wendell Carter he is mobile for his size he plays like a guard.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on October 23, 2017, 01:07:13 AM
I’m team Bagley followed by (in order):
Ayton
Porter
Bamba
Doncic
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on October 23, 2017, 07:06:12 AM
The only Lakers basketball I plan on watching this season is when they play the Celtics but I am going to have fun reading Lonzo's box scores every game. Not since peak Rondo have I seen such an interesting mix of numbers from game to game. lol
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Birdman on October 23, 2017, 07:37:16 AM
Nets should have better record than the Lakers..Lakers playing in the West going be brutal (which is good 😀)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: gouki88 on October 23, 2017, 09:18:18 AM
I've watched all the Lakers games so far (minus a play here and there, it's been brutal at times), and more often than not the Lakers look better with Lonzo off the court entirely.

He is such a weak defender, but that's not where they look at their worst with him on the court. When he is running the show, the offense as a whole seems to get really dysfunctional, despite the gaudy numbers he puts up. I know it's early in the season, but I am loving seeing this kid put up completely empty numbers on a garbage Laker squad
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: mef730 on October 23, 2017, 09:43:58 AM
This Lakers start is about as good as I could have hoped for (absent an 0-3 start, of course). They gave up 130 points to freakin' Phoenix and almost managed to lose that game. If they have to score 132 to win every game this year, it's going to be a long season for them.

As that Dutch comedian said (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELD2AwFN9Nc), "We totally understand it's going to be Phoenix at the bottom. But can we just say, "the Lakers at second-worst."

Mike
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: colincb on October 23, 2017, 11:42:57 AM
I keep on thinking about a Rondo comparison to Ball because they are both elite passers and rebounders. Rondo was a good defender out of the gate though and Ball is not (nor would you expect most rookies to be).

However, I thought that Ball's shooting would be better. So far he's been brutal with a 41% TS% through 3 games (Rondo's career TS% is 50%). Not a reliable sample obviously, but Ball could easily end up as JAG. Probably will win ROY though given the Laker hype machine and a lot of empty triple doubles, but I'm glad we have Tatum given how he and Fultz have looked so far.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on October 23, 2017, 01:00:16 PM
I keep on thinking about a Rondo comparison to Ball because they are both elite passers and rebounders. Rondo was a good defender out of the gate though and Ball is not (nor would you expect most rookies to be).

However, I thought that Ball's shooting would be better. So far he's been brutal with a 41% TS% through 3 games (Rondo's career TS% is 50%). Not a reliable sample obviously, but Ball could easily end up as JAG. Probably will win ROY though given the Laker hype machine and a lot of empty triple doubles, but I'm glad we have Tatum given how he and Fultz have looked so far.
Ball's unusual shooting stroke and how it would translate was discussed a lot before the draft.  Kevin O'Conner had a good article on it and even mentioned UCLA's usage of Wilson branded balls may have boosted Ball's percentages. 
https://www.theringer.com/2017/3/17/16077266/lonzo-ball-ucla-shooting-mechanics-6eeda2ef3e41#.tr9hujo7z
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on October 23, 2017, 02:01:05 PM
This Lakers start is about as good as I could have hoped for (absent an 0-3 start, of course). They gave up 130 points to freakin' Phoenix and almost managed to lose that game. If they have to score 132 to win every game this year, it's going to be a long season for them.

As that Dutch comedian said (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELD2AwFN9Nc), "We totally understand it's going to be Phoenix at the bottom. But can we just say, "the Lakers at second-worst."

Mike
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I agree The Lakers look better with Lonzo off the court. He puts up a lot of empty numbers and stat chases. He also can't shoot so it shrinks the court. He can't defend his position. The Lakers look like they would have one that game last night against The Pelicans but then Lonzo came back and the score went the other way. Ball put up 8 rebounds and 13 assists but shot 3-13 and was a -24 for the game. Lonzo is like a twinkie is yellow and bright but it's empty calories thus far.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: TheSundanceKid on October 25, 2017, 03:54:46 AM
Lakers lose and nets win. I imagine danny had a good day and celebrated with chipotle

One step closer to this
(https://scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/19227472_173119983226220_66687793996234752_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTU0MDIyMjQyNTI4MzQ2NjY5MQ%3D%3D.2)
Except he wouldn't be wearing the 1 jersey that's for sure.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on October 25, 2017, 03:42:57 PM
The LAL play the Wizards at home. The line is Wiz -5. They should have a field day with open shots and that spells doom for a perimeter defense challenged team. Wiz by 12!
I'm still upset the Nets  blew last nights game by giving up like 38 points in final quarter and just completely blowing it in the last minuter. That 3 pointer by Gordon is going to haunt me for another day or so.
Back to the Fakers.....they got Toronto next and then a trip to Utah...both losses :)....until they Detroit at home, which is a winnable game.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: smokeablount on October 25, 2017, 11:26:12 PM
The LAL play the Wizards at home. The line is Wiz -5. They should have a field day with open shots and that spells doom for a perimeter defense challenged team. Wiz by 12!
I'm still upset the Nets  blew last nights game by giving up like 38 points in final quarter and just completely blowing it in the last minuter. That 3 pointer by Gordon is going to haunt me for another day or so.
Back to the Fakers.....they got Toronto next and then a trip to Utah...both losses :)....until they Detroit at home, which is a winnable game.

Wiz on a 13-2 run, up 38 to 31 after a Beal flush. Rooting for Wall and Beal for the next two hours!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: mr. dee on October 25, 2017, 11:32:53 PM
Wizards better not screw this otherwise, perfect day for us.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: libermaniac on October 25, 2017, 11:51:40 PM
The LAL play the Wizards at home. The line is Wiz -5. They should have a field day with open shots and that spells doom for a perimeter defense challenged team. Wiz by 12!
I'm still upset the Nets  blew last nights game by giving up like 38 points in final quarter and just completely blowing it in the last minuter. That 3 pointer by Gordon is going to haunt me for another day or so.
Back to the Fakers.....they got Toronto next and then a trip to Utah...both losses :)....until they Detroit at home, which is a winnable game.
The Nets didn't blow it tonight!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: mr. dee on October 25, 2017, 11:58:10 PM
Ingram and Oubre looked like twins on the court ;D
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on October 26, 2017, 01:22:30 AM
Ingram and Oubre looked like twins on the court ;D
I thought the same thing. They must have the same barber
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on October 26, 2017, 01:24:28 AM
Wizards better not screw this otherwise, perfect day for us.
wiz messed up. Didn't foul in overtime they literally gave up with only 1 pt down
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Rondo9 on October 26, 2017, 01:25:30 AM
No wonder they lost to the Celtics! ;)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on October 26, 2017, 01:26:30 AM
So p---ed off about the Wiz blowing it! Scott Brooks should be fired he is awful
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on October 26, 2017, 01:32:28 AM
The wizards talked a lot on twitter about how they were going to beat ball tonight. I think it was gortat and wall
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: trickybilly on October 26, 2017, 01:45:46 AM
Ball had a nice game, despite his shooting. His ability to open spaces, make crafty passes and just generally good decision-making is going to make LaVar unbearable for many years to come.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on October 26, 2017, 01:51:21 AM
What are the chances the pick conveys this year? Like 20% ?

Ps. I’m sick and tired of rooting for other teams to lose  ;D
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: mr. dee on October 26, 2017, 01:55:21 AM
Wizards better not screw this otherwise, perfect day for us.
wiz messed up. Didn't foul in overtime they literally gave up with only 1 pt down

Shows you how much heart this team have.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on October 26, 2017, 02:30:57 AM
Wiz also messed up by not challenging that lane violation by Randle on the free throw. Little things like that could change the outcome
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on October 26, 2017, 02:46:19 AM
Lonzo is shooting a 32% FG%. Tied for the worst in the entire nba. He is also averaging 11/9/9 but that FG% makes rondo look like ray allen
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: moiso on October 26, 2017, 06:03:00 AM
Lonzo is shooting a 32% FG%. Tied for the worst in the entire nba. He is also averaging 11/9/9 but that FG% makes rondo look like ray allen
Who cares?  It's a 4 game sample size and field goal percentage is something that Ball will obviously greatly improve on.  The guy is practically averaging a triple double and you better hope he misses a chunk of time if you want the Lakers' draft pick next year.  If you want to pick on something, pick on his defense.  It's not as easily fixable as his field goal percentage.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: gouki88 on October 26, 2017, 06:08:55 AM
Lonzo is shooting a 32% FG%. Tied for the worst in the entire nba. He is also averaging 11/9/9 but that FG% makes rondo look like ray allen
Who cares?  It's a 4 game sample size and field goal percentage is something that Ball will obviously greatly improve on.  The guy is practically averaging a triple double and you better hope he misses a chunk of time if you want the Lakers' draft pick next year. If you want to pick on something, pick on his defense.  It's not as easily fixable as his field goal percentage.
Not really, considering they've been noticeably better on both ends with him off the court.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: moiso on October 26, 2017, 08:05:04 AM
Lonzo is shooting a 32% FG%. Tied for the worst in the entire nba. He is also averaging 11/9/9 but that FG% makes rondo look like ray allen
Who cares?  It's a 4 game sample size and field goal percentage is something that Ball will obviously greatly improve on.  The guy is practically averaging a triple double and you better hope he misses a chunk of time if you want the Lakers' draft pick next year. If you want to pick on something, pick on his defense.  It's not as easily fixable as his field goal percentage.
Not really, considering they've been noticeably better on both ends with him off the court.
Through the first 3 games of his nba career.  Last night he had the highest plus/minus on the team.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on October 26, 2017, 08:17:38 AM
If pick doesn't convey, and we have a loooong way to go still, there is always Sacramento in 2019. They are young (with some vets that won't be there next year) and they are bad!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: RMO on October 26, 2017, 08:27:48 AM
Have guys been going after him the way Patrick Beverly said they would after the first game?  Not even in a trash talking way but just playing at him aggressively and running the offense through the guy that Ball is defending?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Somebody on October 26, 2017, 08:31:17 AM
Have guys been going after him the way Patrick Beverly said they would after the first game?  Not even in a trash talking way but just playing at him aggressively and running the offense through the guy that Ball is defending?
Yes to an extent and it's working except for ehem Jonathan "Choke" Hildred "Shook" Wall. That game was just embarrassing for the Wizards.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Moranis on October 26, 2017, 09:07:46 AM
Have guys been going after him the way Patrick Beverly said they would after the first game?  Not even in a trash talking way but just playing at him aggressively and running the offense through the guy that Ball is defending?
Yes to an extent and it's working except for ehem Jonathan "Choke" Hildred "Shook" Wall. That game was just embarrassing for the Wizards.
Ball didn't score when he was guarded by Wall.  In fact, he didn't do much of anything with Wall on him. 
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on October 26, 2017, 09:40:09 AM
Have guys been going after him the way Patrick Beverly said they would after the first game?  Not even in a trash talking way but just playing at him aggressively and running the offense through the guy that Ball is defending?
Yes to an extent and it's working except for ehem Jonathan "Choke" Hildred "Shook" Wall. That game was just embarrassing for the Wizards.
Ball didn't score when he was guarded by Wall.  In fact, he didn't do much of anything with Wall on him.
It wasn't what Ball did on offense, it's what WALL didn't take advantage of on offense.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: trickybilly on October 26, 2017, 09:54:18 AM
If pick doesn't convey, and we have a loooong way to go still, there is always Sacramento in 2019. They are young (with some vets that won't be there next year) and they are bad!

As much as i would murder someone to get Ayton or Doncic, I'm not stressing at all given given Sac's outlook.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: RMO on October 26, 2017, 10:52:46 AM
Have guys been going after him the way Patrick Beverly said they would after the first game?  Not even in a trash talking way but just playing at him aggressively and running the offense through the guy that Ball is defending?
Yes to an extent and it's working except for ehem Jonathan "Choke" Hildred "Shook" Wall. That game was just embarrassing for the Wizards.
Ball didn't score when he was guarded by Wall.  In fact, he didn't do much of anything with Wall on him.
It wasn't what Ball did on offense, it's what WALL didn't take advantage of on offense.

That's what I was getting at.  The perception was that guys were eager to take it to this rookie because of all his dad's antics but other than Patrick Beverly that doesn't seem to be the case (though I haven't watched any of the games)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: SHAQATTACK on October 26, 2017, 11:21:28 AM
Wiz just sucked against the Lakers . They needed Morris soooooo bad .  Wall looked frustrated to me . I think they over looked the Lakers , thought they could cruise and o a win.  Let off the throttle , and got beat. 

Wiz looked out of sorts.

Then Wiz got robbed on the last play was a 100 % foul , even the Lakers guys said it was obvious foul on them.  Refs gave the game to Lakers , not calling an obvious foul on h last play. 

Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on October 27, 2017, 12:58:00 PM
The Lakers play the Raptors at home tonight. 6 point dogs, same as vs. the Wizards. Weird because I think Toronto is a better team than Washington. I don't see how anyone on the Lakers can guard both Lowry and DeRozan.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: colincb on October 27, 2017, 01:15:26 PM
Wiz just sucked against the Lakers . They needed Morris soooooo bad .  Wall looked frustrated to me . I think they over looked the Lakers , thought they could cruise and o a win.  Let off the throttle , and got beat. 

Wiz looked out of sorts.

Then Wiz got robbed on the last play was a 100 % foul , even the Lakers guys said it was obvious foul on them.  Refs gave the game to Lakers , not calling an obvious foul on h last play.

This. Wizards lost the game right from the start with their we-showed-up-give-us-the-win attitude.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on October 27, 2017, 10:36:41 PM
Come on Raptors. Make this a good Friday night. Help us out here!

Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: RockinRyA on October 27, 2017, 11:01:04 PM
Come on Raptors. Make this a good Friday night. Help us out here!

First quarter is almost over and Lowry/Derozan are a combined 0/2.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on October 27, 2017, 11:23:44 PM
The Raptors look like a really bad team tonight. I gotta hand it to The Lakers, they are playing hard tonight...
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on October 27, 2017, 11:33:55 PM
I can't wait to see Tatum's length on DeRozen....
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on October 28, 2017, 12:59:19 AM
Ugly, sloppy game, BUT RAPTORS WIN (LAKERS LOSE)!!!

But man... I know it's only 5 games but the hype for Lonzo looks idiotic now.

Guy has 5 points, 6 assists, 7 rebounds on 29% shooting. Looks to me like he's destined to be a Rondo with slightly better shooting in the long run to be honest.

Kuzma looks more like the one Lakers fans should be more excited about.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on October 28, 2017, 01:40:36 AM
Ugly, sloppy game, BUT RAPTORS WIN (LAKERS LOSE)!!!

But man... I know it's only 5 games but the hype for Lonzo looks idiotic now.

Guy has 5 points, 6 assists, 7 rebounds on 29% shooting. Looks to me like he's destined to be a Rondo with slightly better shooting in the long run to be honest.

Kuzma looks more like the one Lakers fans should be more excited about.

I keep saying that he reminds me a lot of Rondo with a bit better shooting but without the elite defense and ability to get to the rim at will.

I think his ceiling is a complementary star, similar to how Rondo was. He needs to have high-level offensive options around him in order to be at his best. I don't see him being a star that can lift a team all by himself.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CroCorvus on October 28, 2017, 04:11:23 AM
Ugly, sloppy game, BUT RAPTORS WIN (LAKERS LOSE)!!!

But man... I know it's only 5 games but the hype for Lonzo looks idiotic now.

Guy has 5 points, 6 assists, 7 rebounds on 29% shooting. Looks to me like he's destined to be a Rondo with slightly better shooting in the long run to be honest.

Kuzma looks more like the one Lakers fans should be more excited about.

I keep saying that he reminds me a lot of Rondo with a bit better shooting but without the elite defense and ability to get to the rim at will.

I think his ceiling is a complementary star, similar to how Rondo was. He needs to have high-level offensive options around him in order to be at his best. I don't see him being a star that can lift a team all by himself.

I get what you trying to say but RR had the tools to play the defense, and he did it when he felt it was needed. He was also very athletic compared to Ball kid. Ball doesn't have the athletic abilities. He's tall alright for the position he's playing but he's not fast or anything like that, so I don't see him as being a factor in any case as defense matters. The hype is def not real.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Somebody on October 28, 2017, 06:16:00 AM
Lakers played the best they could in these 5 games and are still 2-3...the pick is looking very promising, Danny will have made a smart move if the pick conveys and yields a star (I assume Fultz and Tatum will both be stars, Fultz was actually solid aside from shooting and I think we all know that Tatum is in line with Pierce's rookie season while being a 4th option on offense).
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on October 28, 2017, 06:44:47 AM
Lonzo Ball has been downright awful overall.  He is averaging 5.5 ppg Shooting 21.6% from the floor and 8.5% from 3 in games against teams other than the Suns.  Plus his defense is pretty darn bad as well.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: rollie mass on October 28, 2017, 06:50:36 AM
Its a long season and Ball plays with pace and the slightest bit of injury will disrupt his game.His rebounds on defense board are a reflection of his BBIQ.
He may even get better as season wears on as other teams are tanking and some get sloppy or the opposite as his team slows its pace or loses some key players.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: SHAQATTACK on October 28, 2017, 08:43:00 AM
all tue Lakers starters finished the game with Raptors with Minus stat .

Ball provided a -15.   doing his part to help the tank
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: A Future of Stevens on October 28, 2017, 09:32:55 AM
Ugly, sloppy game, BUT RAPTORS WIN (LAKERS LOSE)!!!

But man... I know it's only 5 games but the hype for Lonzo looks idiotic now.

Guy has 5 points, 6 assists, 7 rebounds on 29% shooting. Looks to me like he's destined to be a Rondo with slightly better shooting in the long run to be honest.

Kuzma looks more like the one Lakers fans should be more excited about.

I keep saying that he reminds me a lot of Rondo with a bit better shooting but without the elite defense and ability to get to the rim at will.

I think his ceiling is a complementary star, similar to how Rondo was. He needs to have high-level offensive options around him in order to be at his best. I don't see him being a star that can lift a team all by himself.

I think Lonzo really needs an elite scorer or 2 next to him to truly thrive. One of those stars needs to be able to create in the half court. Lonzo needs to focus on pushing the pace on transition, playing off the ball in the half court, and keeping the ball hopping in sets. That could allow them to hide his deficiencies at creating off the dribble, and scoring in the mid range.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: ChillyWilly on October 28, 2017, 10:32:58 AM
Ugly, sloppy game, BUT RAPTORS WIN (LAKERS LOSE)!!!

But man... I know it's only 5 games but the hype for Lonzo looks idiotic now.

Guy has 5 points, 6 assists, 7 rebounds on 29% shooting. Looks to me like he's destined to be a Rondo with slightly better shooting in the long run to be honest.

Kuzma looks more like the one Lakers fans should be more excited about.

I keep saying that he reminds me a lot of Rondo with a bit better shooting but without the elite defense and ability to get to the rim at will.

I think his ceiling is a complementary star, similar to how Rondo was. He needs to have high-level offensive options around him in order to be at his best. I don't see him being a star that can lift a team all by himself.

I think Lonzo really needs an elite scorer or 2 next to him to truly thrive. One of those stars needs to be able to create in the half court. Lonzo needs to focus on pushing the pace on transition, playing off the ball in the half court, and keeping the ball hopping in sets. That could allow them to hide his deficiencies at creating off the dribble, and scoring in the mid range.

I mean that's true of every ball handler in the NBA isn't it? Even Lebron needs shooters.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: smokeablount on October 28, 2017, 10:51:14 AM
These games are too close for comfort. They beat the Wiz and barely lost to the Raptors, it’s not giving me much hope that they’ll be a bottom 5 team. Suns, Bulls, Hawks and Knicks all look worse for sure and even if they finished 5th, those aren’t good odds at a top 5 pick. Lowering expectations...
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: RockinRyA on October 28, 2017, 10:53:45 AM
These games are too close for comfort. They beat the Wiz and barely lost to the Raptors, it’s not giving me much hope that they’ll be a bottom 5 team. Suns, Bulls, Hawks and Knicks all look worse for sure and even if they finished 5th, those aren’t good odds at a top 5 pick. Lowering expectations...

The Nets (and even the Lakers) were off to good start last year. We all knew how it ended.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: SHAQATTACK on October 28, 2017, 11:05:29 AM
very obvious , on the road , thinking about tuff Warriores games , teams are playing down to the Lakers level....really bad... I watched both , Wiz screwed around and let the Lakers back in the game .

Neiitherr Raps or Wiz were focused or playing to their own talent level.  While the Lakers are home with very little expectations other than to get Ball much minutes as possible. No pressue ....yet.....but its coming .....Fans are getting frustrated

Lakers want to sign two max players maybe this summer 2018 .   The whole laker world is praying for LeWhine to come save them . LOL
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: smokeablount on October 28, 2017, 03:03:15 PM
These games are too close for comfort. They beat the Wiz and barely lost to the Raptors, it’s not giving me much hope that they’ll be a bottom 5 team. Suns, Bulls, Hawks and Knicks all look worse for sure and even if they finished 5th, those aren’t good odds at a top 5 pick. Lowering expectations...

The Nets (and even the Lakers) were off to good start last year. We all knew how it ended.

I know anything can happen, but I’m not getting my hopes up. If LA doesn’t finish in the bottom 4 our odds will be slim to none of getting that pick, and there are a good 8 or so teams that look as bad as LA or worse. I want one of these prospects so bad that I don’t want to be let down.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on October 28, 2017, 10:46:33 PM
Jazz up 75-64 on the Lakers! 1 quarter to go.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on October 28, 2017, 11:09:12 PM
Laker's bench is better than their starters...
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: RockinRyA on October 28, 2017, 11:22:19 PM
Ball with Smart-like FG numbers.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on October 28, 2017, 11:28:33 PM
Lonzo follows up his spectacular 5 points, 6 assists and 7 rebounds outing with....

9 points, 4 assists and 2 rebounds on 3/10 shooting.

ROTY! MAGIC JOHNSON IN THE MAKING!  ::)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: ETNCeltics on October 28, 2017, 11:28:39 PM
Lakers are going to have a hard time not giving us a decent chance at a top pick next year. They're just not very good.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: MJohnnyboy on October 28, 2017, 11:34:36 PM
Lonzo follows up his spectacular 5 points, 6 assists and 7 rebounds outing with....

9 points, 4 assists and 2 rebounds on 3/10 shooting.

ROTY! MAGIC JOHNSON IN THE MAKING!  ::)

Advanced metrics say that the Lakers offense is much worse with Ball on the floor.

https://twitter.com/HPbasketball/status/924331177959350272

(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/569/244/4a6.gif)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Neurotic Guy on October 28, 2017, 11:34:38 PM
Lonzo follows up his spectacular 5 points, 6 assists and 7 rebounds outing with....

9 points, 4 assists and 2 rebounds on 3/10 shooting.

ROTY! MAGIC JOHNSON IN THE MAKING!  ::)

I hope it lasts.  Not counting on it, but hoping.

On another note, Lopez played only 17 minutes and I am pretty sure he didn't play in the 4th.  I didn't notice any report about an injury so I wonder why he wasn't in when the game was very much in question. 
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on October 28, 2017, 11:39:21 PM
Lonzo follows up his spectacular 5 points, 6 assists and 7 rebounds outing with....

9 points, 4 assists and 2 rebounds on 3/10 shooting.

ROTY! MAGIC JOHNSON IN THE MAKING!  ::)

Advanced metrics say that the Lakers offense is much worse with Ball on the floor.

https://twitter.com/HPbasketball/status/924331177959350272

(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/569/244/4a6.gif)

As @Liam said here...

Laker's bench is better than their starters...

That honestly seems true. AND Walton apparently benched most of his starters in the Toronto game, even with just a 91-83 deficit, because apparently they weren't even trying on defense  :laugh:
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on October 28, 2017, 11:46:40 PM
Lonzo follows up his spectacular 5 points, 6 assists and 7 rebounds outing with....

9 points, 4 assists and 2 rebounds on 3/10 shooting.

ROTY! MAGIC JOHNSON IN THE MAKING!  ::)

Advanced metrics say that the Lakers offense is much worse with Ball on the floor.

https://twitter.com/HPbasketball/status/924331177959350272

(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/569/244/4a6.gif)

The Laker's offense does look better with Ball off the floor. The ball moves better and there is more spacing.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on October 28, 2017, 11:47:19 PM
Lonzo follows up his spectacular 5 points, 6 assists and 7 rebounds outing with....

9 points, 4 assists and 2 rebounds on 3/10 shooting.

ROTY! MAGIC JOHNSON IN THE MAKING!  ::)

Advanced metrics say that the Lakers offense is much worse with Ball on the floor.

https://twitter.com/HPbasketball/status/924331177959350272

(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/569/244/4a6.gif)

As @Liam said here...

Laker's bench is better than their starters...

That honestly seems true. AND Walton apparently benched most of his starters in the Toronto game, even with just a 91-83 deficit, because apparently they weren't even trying on defense  :laugh:

Walton needs to change his starting line up.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on October 28, 2017, 11:51:39 PM
I'm a certified body language doctor.

My diagnosis is that I don't like Ball's body language. He seems pouty and like he lacks confidence. Any time he is challenged, he folds. If the team isn't gift-wrapped for him, it seems like he doesn't know how to go out and take it.

I'm a millenial myself, but his whole persona kinda' wreaks of some of the worst parts of my generation. It's not just Ball either. It reminds me a bit of other recent "superstars" who were gift-wrapped the league before they even made the playoffs.

It just seems like if it isn't given to them, if the situation isn't perfect, if all things do not perfectly fall into line, they struggle with confidence. They struggle to go out and fight for it. Instead, they wait for coaches, GMs, and other players to keep working on the circumstances to make everything perfect for them to be the star they envision in their own mind.

Its not every millenial (Kuzma is earning his, for example), and some of it is just youth, not a generational thing. But I seriously wonder what the long-term effects of how teams have annointed players Anthony Davis, Karl-Anthony Towns, Andrew Wiggins, Lonzo Ball, Joel Embiid, De'Angelo Russel, Jahlil Okafor, Kristaps Porzingis, and Markelle Fultz before they even play a game. I wonder if there will be a greater amount of turnover on teams as young guys look for better circumstances, without ever being willing or able to grind to make the situation better themselves.

I wonder if it isn't better to forge basketball players in an environment of competition, like the Celtics organization.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: MJohnnyboy on October 28, 2017, 11:52:25 PM
Lonzo follows up his spectacular 5 points, 6 assists and 7 rebounds outing with....

9 points, 4 assists and 2 rebounds on 3/10 shooting.

ROTY! MAGIC JOHNSON IN THE MAKING!  ::)

Advanced metrics say that the Lakers offense is much worse with Ball on the floor.

https://twitter.com/HPbasketball/status/924331177959350272

(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/569/244/4a6.gif)

The Laker's offense does look better with Ball off the floor. The ball moves better and there is more spacing.

What do you think would be the best lineup for the Lakeshow?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on October 28, 2017, 11:59:10 PM
Lonzo follows up his spectacular 5 points, 6 assists and 7 rebounds outing with....

9 points, 4 assists and 2 rebounds on 3/10 shooting.

ROTY! MAGIC JOHNSON IN THE MAKING!  ::)

Advanced metrics say that the Lakers offense is much worse with Ball on the floor.

https://twitter.com/HPbasketball/status/924331177959350272

(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/569/244/4a6.gif)

The Laker's offense does look better with Ball off the floor. The ball moves better and there is more spacing.

What do you think would be the best lineup for the Lakeshow?

J.Clarkson
Kuzma
j.Hart
Ingram
Nance JR
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: SHAQATTACK on October 29, 2017, 12:07:44 AM
Ball seems extra  rattled with road games. 

Lopez and Bogue are basic junk to me

Why is Lebron going to the Lakers ?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on October 29, 2017, 12:20:01 AM
Ball seems extra  rattled with road games. 

Lopez and Bogue are basic junk to me

Why is Lebron going to the Lakers ?

Lebron really has no reason to.

Only way I see Lebron considering LAL is if they add another max player, but I think there's a really, really good chance George stays in OKC. So yeah, why would Lebron go to Lakers? (Unless he's fine teaming up with Cousins lol). 
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: slightly biased bias fan on October 29, 2017, 12:22:41 AM
Ball seems extra  rattled with road games. 

Lopez and Bogue are basic junk to me

Why is Lebron going to the Lakers ?

I said this before the season started, he isn't. Lakers would have to pull off the greatest roster turn around in NBA history, trading for Davis or Cousins, convincing Paul to bail on Houston and George on Thunder = a miracle. This was all typical Lakers ESPN hype to get clicks and fill time. Magic is just a used car salesman for the Lakers hoping their reputation will outweigh their recent ineptitude.

I honestly could see Rockets making a run at Lebron if they could get off Anderson's terrible contract, it's the situation he's after, a well run team with a great coach, GM and a younger franchise star in Harden to lessen the load. But most likely he'll resign on another 1 + 1 contract as he doesn't trust Dan Gilbert enough to re-sign long term...but can you blame him?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: RockinRyA on October 29, 2017, 12:23:01 AM
Lonzo follows up his spectacular 5 points, 6 assists and 7 rebounds outing with....

9 points, 4 assists and 2 rebounds on 3/10 shooting.

ROTY! MAGIC JOHNSON IN THE MAKING!  ::)

Advanced metrics say that the Lakers offense is much worse with Ball on the floor.

https://twitter.com/HPbasketball/status/924331177959350272

(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/569/244/4a6.gif)

The Laker's offense does look better with Ball off the floor. The ball moves better and there is more spacing.

What do you think would be the best lineup for the Lakeshow?

Something that has Hayward in there.  ;D
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on October 30, 2017, 08:01:53 AM
Through 6 games the Lakers are 11th in defense and 29th in offense (per basketball reference) which is basically the exact opposite of where most figured they'd be. I anticipate huge regression in defense since they still don't have a single plus defender in their rotation outside of KCP. Hopefully their offense stays bad and we'll be all set.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: mr. dee on October 30, 2017, 08:36:13 AM
Through 6 games the Lakers are 11th in defense and 29th in offense (per basketball reference) which is basically the exact opposite of where most figured they'd be. I anticipate huge regression in defense since they still don't have a single plus defender in their rotation outside of KCP. Hopefully their offense stays bad and we'll be all set.

Bogut is healthy at the moment and he gives them a defensive boost.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on October 30, 2017, 08:43:00 AM
Through 6 games the Lakers are 11th in defense and 29th in offense (per basketball reference) which is basically the exact opposite of where most figured they'd be. I anticipate huge regression in defense since they still don't have a single plus defender in their rotation outside of KCP. Hopefully their offense stays bad and we'll be all set.

Bogut is healthy at the moment and he gives them a defensive boost.
Good point. That can't last long.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: SHAQATTACK on October 30, 2017, 09:33:02 AM
Ball seems extra  rattled with road games. 

Lopez and Bogue are basic junk to me

Why is Lebron going to the Lakers ?

I said this before the season started, he isn't. Lakers would have to pull off the greatest roster turn around in NBA history, trading for Davis or Cousins, convincing Paul to bail on Houston and George on Thunder = a miracle. This was all typical Lakers ESPN hype to get clicks and fill time. Magic is just a used car salesman for the Lakers hoping their reputation will outweigh their recent ineptitude.

I honestly could see Rockets making a run at Lebron if they could get off Anderson's terrible contract, it's the situation he's after, a well run team with a great coach, GM and a younger franchise star in Harden to lessen the load. But most likely he'll resign on another 1 + 1 contract as he doesn't trust Dan Gilbert enough to re-sign long term...but can you blame him?

1+1 for Lebron brings him near the end of the NBA show .  Even Lebron is gonna fall off a bit at age 36 .  MJ could not defeat father time .....neither will LeBron.

Lebron has to win NOW ..... latter and father time is just around the corner
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: mef730 on October 30, 2017, 03:00:56 PM
Wow, a lot of "optimists" here for LA's pick. There are some truly, truly horrendous teams out there. I'm having a hard time coming up with any scenarios where the Lakers are in the bottom 4 teams, outside of injuries.

Mike
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on October 30, 2017, 03:18:43 PM
Wow, a lot of "optimists" here for LA's pick. There are some truly, truly horrendous teams out there. I'm having a hard time coming up with any scenarios where the Lakers are in the bottom 4 teams, outside of injuries.

Mike

Which is why, I think, DA didn't take the LAL pick straight up, minus the top pick protection. He saw the LAL being a bad team but he also may have seen how some other teams could be just as bad or worse, as he hadn't too much of a clue at the time of the trade, before the off-season and trading/signing of players began. He knew the LAL would likely get better after this year so he put in the Sacramento pick as a fall back plan. Not a bad plan.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: ETNCeltics on October 30, 2017, 03:26:48 PM
There are a # of bad teams, but it's not a stretch to see the LAL worse than any of them. They're one hoop against Phoenix from having the worst record in the league.

JMO, I think Sacramento and Dallas may be just as good as LAL. Chicago and Atl might be worse, but they have easier schedules. This thing is probably going to go down to the wire.

Odds might be against us, but not by much. The Lakers are bad. Say they wind up with the 5th worst record. We'd still have a 47% chance at the pick.


My guess is we'll be glued to our TV sets on lottery night.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: TheSundanceKid on October 31, 2017, 06:23:00 AM
Bottom 6 as of this morning are Lakers, Suns, Bulls, Hawks, Kings, Mavs. I expect those to be the bottom 6 come the end of the year as well. The Pacers and Nets both seem to have enough to keep them milling over and the other teams around them are all playoff chasers.

It's all going to come down to lottery balls, can the Lakers pick jump up to the top 3 or can it stay within the top 5. At least the new lottery rules give us an extra advantage of being 2 or 3 if the Lakers finish 5/6th
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: SHAQATTACK on October 31, 2017, 06:27:22 AM
Man LA would super suck if Ball  stumbles.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on October 31, 2017, 01:57:38 PM
LAL at home tonight playing Detroit and are 3.5 point dogs. Man, they've played a lot of home games thus far? Anyways, they may have a better shot then they did against the Wiz and Toronto though Pistons are a bit underrated right now. They are a really good defensive team and LAL may struggle if they can't get easy buckets. Prediction: a win...for Detroit, by 6.
Only about 6 of their next 20 games are winnable so they are about to go down the drain, hopefully.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: mef730 on October 31, 2017, 02:15:36 PM
LAL at home tonight playing Detroit and are 3.5 point dogs. Man, they've played a lot of home games thus far? Anyways, they may have a better shot then they did against the Wiz and Toronto though Pistons are a bit underrated right now. They are a really good defensive team and LAL may struggle if they can't get easy buckets. Prediction: a win...for Detroit, by 6.
Only about 6 of their next 20 games are winnable so they are about to go down the drain, hopefully.

Yup, fifth home game of the season. Have played two away.

Avery Bradley has always been my favorite player, but I'll root extra hard for him tonight.

Mike
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Jvalin on October 31, 2017, 03:11:39 PM
Bottom 6 as of this morning are Lakers, Suns, Bulls, Hawks, Kings, Mavs. I expect those to be the bottom 6 come the end of the year as well. The Pacers and Nets both seem to have enough to keep them milling over and the other teams around them are all playoff chasers.

It's all going to come down to lottery balls, can the Lakers pick jump up to the top 3 or can it stay within the top 5. At least the new lottery rules give us an extra advantage of being 2 or 3 if the Lakers finish 5/6th
The new lottery rules will come into effect in 2019. Here are the odds for each team in the 2018
draft

(https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-dd8ba6b95064be160c506225613743a2)

The chances of the pick landing 2-5 are as follows

If the Lakers have the worst record : 75%
2nd worst record  : 80.1%
3rd worst record :80.4%
4th : 70.9%
5th : 46.5%
6th : 15.2%
7th : 10.7%
8th : 7.2%
9th : 4.4%
10th : 2.9%
11th : 2.1%
12th : 1.8%
13th : 1.6%
14th : 1.3%


To put it another way, chances are that bottom 6 isn't good enough. It seems like we need at least bottom 5 (ideally bottom 4).
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on October 31, 2017, 10:57:21 PM
I am watching Pistons vs Lakers. I really don't miss Bradley's passing. You can't really run the offense through Avery...
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on October 31, 2017, 11:02:09 PM
I do miss Avery's baseline cuts! He does that so well. Rozier would be so good if he could get that cut down like Bradley!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Hank Finkel on October 31, 2017, 11:08:52 PM
I do miss Avery's baseline cuts! He does that so well. Rozier would be so good if he could get that cut down like Bradley!
I miss AB too but JB has filled in very nicely.  His defense is great and he is bigger and stronger.  His scoring is slightly below AB but not enough to hurt the team.  And he is 20 years old. Edge JB!!!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on October 31, 2017, 11:13:35 PM
I do miss Avery's baseline cuts! He does that so well. Rozier would be so good if he could get that cut down like Bradley!
I miss AB too but JB has filled in very nicely.  His defense is great and he is bigger and stronger.  His scoring is slightly below AB but not enough to hurt the team.  And he is 20 years old. Edge JB!!!

If I have to choose between Bradley and Jaylen, I take Jaylen 10 out of 10.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: mr. dee on October 31, 2017, 11:13:55 PM
Piston's defense have been lackluster so far after impressive wins against the Clippers and Warriors.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: saltlover on October 31, 2017, 11:16:53 PM
Piston's defense have been lackluster so far after impressive wins against the Clippers and Warriors.

3 games in 4 nights on a West Coast trip often does that to teams.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: mr. dee on October 31, 2017, 11:28:34 PM
I really like Nance Jr. Too bad he was picked before RJ Hunter.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: SHAQATTACK on October 31, 2017, 11:46:33 PM
Bradley doing masonary work in LA.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on October 31, 2017, 11:52:50 PM
Bradley doing masonary work in LA.

Bradley is having an off night shooting for sure...
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on October 31, 2017, 11:54:04 PM
Everyone on the Lakers has scored more than bradley except like 3 players I've never heard of
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on October 31, 2017, 11:56:44 PM
Everyone on the Lakers has scored more than bradley except like 3 players I've never heard of

Just ugly! Better get it together, lose to the Lakers I may cut someone!


Lol tragic!


Ugh, I will just have to cry myself to sleep.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: mr. dee on November 01, 2017, 12:40:08 AM
Terrible day for us. Nets lost and the Lakers win.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Somebody on November 01, 2017, 12:43:38 AM
Terrible day for us. Nets lost and the Lakers win.
At least the Suns won.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 01, 2017, 12:51:43 AM
Terrible day for us. Nets lost and the Lakers win.
At least the Suns won.
yup. The suns win sort of nullifies that lakers win. Suns still better record than lakers
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Adelaide Celt on November 01, 2017, 01:22:48 AM
Terrible day for us. Nets lost and the Lakers win.

Remember when not so long ago the total opposite was true...
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CroCorvus on November 01, 2017, 02:26:04 AM
This is what i hate in the NBA... Detroit wins against LAC nad GSW and then, after a day off!, lose to the Lakers!?? C'mon man...
The Lakers are top 8 worst team in the league but they surely are not in the top 5. They have some talent and some solid players and they have no reason to tank, so this is why I think the pick will not go to us... hope Im wrong. 
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenEnvy on November 01, 2017, 02:58:51 AM
I keep telling myself it’s too early to start paying attention to the Lakers record, but it’s hard not to.

I think if it was’t for that protection on the top pick, I would care more. It really doesn’t matter where they fall, we aren’t guaranteed the pick. They can finish worst and we don’t get it. Or they can finish 8th and we do.

I think the sweet spot would be 4th-worst. Decent odds to move up, but unlikely to land the top pick or fall more than one spot.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: TheSundanceKid on November 01, 2017, 02:09:34 PM
Bottom 6 as of this morning are Lakers, Suns, Bulls, Hawks, Kings, Mavs. I expect those to be the bottom 6 come the end of the year as well. The Pacers and Nets both seem to have enough to keep them milling over and the other teams around them are all playoff chasers.

It's all going to come down to lottery balls, can the Lakers pick jump up to the top 3 or can it stay within the top 5. At least the new lottery rules give us an extra advantage of being 2 or 3 if the Lakers finish 5/6th
The new lottery rules will come into effect in 2019. Here are the odds for each team in the 2018
draft

(https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-dd8ba6b95064be160c506225613743a2)

The chances of the pick landing 2-5 are as follows

If the Lakers have the worst record : 75%
2nd worst record  : 80.1%
3rd worst record :80.4%
4th : 70.9%
5th : 46.5%
6th : 15.2%
7th : 10.7%
8th : 7.2%
9th : 4.4%
10th : 2.9%
11th : 2.1%
12th : 1.8%
13th : 1.6%
14th : 1.3%


To put it another way, chances are that bottom 6 isn't good enough. It seems like we need at least bottom 5 (ideally bottom 4).
TP, good point I had forgotten that. You are right bottom 4 would be best. If I look at those 6 teams I can the Kings and Mavs coming ahead of the Lakers but it is all up in the air. Come Christmas we should have a clearer picture, at the moment I'm not going to be swayed by the odd unexpected win, that tends to average out over the course of the season.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: TheSundanceKid on November 02, 2017, 03:52:25 AM
Where are all the people saying Indiana were going to suck? I know it's early days but they are clearly aiming for that 8th seed. One less team for us to worry about in the race to the bottom (as some of us expected)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: trickybilly on November 02, 2017, 03:58:01 AM
There is always one early season surprise. This year it's Indiana. They will be 10-10 after 20 games, mark my word.

Only 3 teams (Chicago, Atlanta, Sacto) are dumpster fires. Dallas should start winning games soon.

5th seed still looking good.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: footey on November 02, 2017, 05:05:54 AM
There is always one early season surprise. This year it's Indiana. They will be 10-10 after 20 games, mark my word.

Only 3 teams (Chicago, Atlanta, Sacto) are dumpster fires. Dallas should start winning games soon.

5th seed still looking good.

Also Orlando.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: moiso on November 02, 2017, 07:39:23 AM
Where are all the people saying Indiana were going to suck? I know it's early days but they are clearly aiming for that 8th seed. One less team for us to worry about in the race to the bottom (as some of us expected)
I’m guessing that they will still suck.  It’s been a great start for them and I’m happy for them.  But the whole league is out of whack right now as far as wins and losses.  Cleveland and Golden State are losing, Indiana and Orlando are winning.  Lakers are winning too much for my liking.  I don’t expect a lot of this to continue long term.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: TheSundanceKid on November 02, 2017, 07:43:43 AM
There is always one early season surprise. This year it's Indiana. They will be 10-10 after 20 games, mark my word.

Only 3 teams (Chicago, Atlanta, Sacto) are dumpster fires. Dallas should start winning games soon.

5th seed still looking good.

Also Orlando.
Orlando I expect to fall back into the pack. To be honest it wouldn't surprise me at all if Indiana ended up with the better record between the two.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on November 02, 2017, 07:48:30 AM
There is always one early season surprise. This year it's Indiana. They will be 10-10 after 20 games, mark my word.

Only 3 teams (Chicago, Atlanta, Sacto) are dumpster fires. Dallas should start winning games soon.

5th seed still looking good.
Why will Dallas start winning?  Dirk is on his last leg.  They have a rookie PG.  Their bench is lousy.

I'd expect the Suns to return to reality in a couple weeks.  When the boost from the coaching change wears off.   
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Birdman on November 02, 2017, 08:04:33 AM
So far this is where I rank my worst teams
1. Chicago
2. Sacramento
3. Atlanta
4. Dallas
5. Phoenix
6. New York
7. Brooklyn
8. Lakers
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: green_bballers13 on November 02, 2017, 08:26:55 AM
So far this is where I rank my worst teams
1. Chicago
2. Sacramento
3. Atlanta
4. Dallas
5. Phoenix
6. New York
7. Brooklyn
8. Lakers

I also don't think it's likely that the Lakers will pick 2-5 this year. I can't imagine that they would tank at the end of the season, knowing what could happen if they end up picking 2-5.

I've got my eyes on 19 SAC.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on November 02, 2017, 08:45:34 AM
So far this is where I rank my worst teams
1. Chicago
2. Sacramento
3. Atlanta
4. Dallas
5. Phoenix
6. New York
7. Brooklyn
8. Lakers

I also don't think it's likely that the Lakers will pick 2-5 this year. I can't imagine that they would tank at the end of the season, knowing what could happen if they end up picking 2-5.

I've got my eyes on 19 SAC.
The Lakers have already lost their pick, regardless of where it falls in the lottery. It's either coming to Boston or going to Philly but it's not their own no matter what.

I don't think anyone is saying the Lakers are going to try and lose games, but that their team is not good and they are going to lose a lot of games by being worse at basketball than most everyone else.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: chilidawg on November 02, 2017, 09:14:40 AM
So far this is where I rank my worst teams
1. Chicago
2. Sacramento
3. Atlanta
4. Dallas
5. Phoenix
6. New York
7. Brooklyn
8. Lakers

Cleveland belongs on that list, based on how they've played so far. :D
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: slamtheking on November 02, 2017, 09:23:12 AM
I still think the Lakers pick will be conveying this year.  Granted, there are some other bad teams out there but LA is playing in the West which is loaded with better teams that will beat on them more frequently than the teams in the East.

Thing is, there's a big difference between the talent levels of the West bottom feeders and the other Western teams as opposed to the smaller difference in talent levels of the East bottom feeders and the other Eastern teams.   The crappy teams in the West beating the not-crappy teams is more of a stretch than in the East due to that smaller talent gap in the East.

West:
Only other teams that are close to the Lakers in terms of futility are Sacramento, Phoenix and Dallas.
- Lakers.  Team is underwhelming in terms of players.  Lopez is the big name but not producing near his Nets level.  Leading scorer is Clarkson at less than 15 points per game.  KCP is a longshot to become more than a defensive player.  the rest are young players who haven't proven anything.
- Sacramento has more talent but hasn't figured out how to get them to play together yet as evidenced by their destruction by the C's this week.  They should be able to finish with a similar record to the Lakers if not a bit better.
- Dallas has more talent but isn't performing as well as they should.  Dirk looks to have really dropped off in talent this season.  The way a number of people here were falling over themselves to sign Harrison Barnes to a max deal he should be performing like an all-star instead of the mediocre 3rd banana he is.  in the end, this team should have enough pieces to end up better than the Lakers but worst case should be a similar record.
- Phx also has more talent than the Lakers but they're underperforming as well.  I'm anticipating them to improve as the season progresses and leave the Lakers comfortably behind them in the standings.  they'll still have a crappy record due to being in the West but they're a better team.

East:
We're looking at Brooklyn, Orlando, Atlanta, Indiana, NY  and Chicago as the bottom feeders. 
- Orlando is off to a great start.  Some of their youth seems to finally be making the leap to productive players.  We'll see if this continues or if they slide back to the pack.  As it is, the early wins will help them (us) in their effort to finish better than the Lakers.
- Indy is off to a good start as well.  Roster isn't great but they're winning.  Like Orlando, early wins will help in the effort to finish better than the Lakers.
- Chicago has a cruddy roster but they're missing Lavine who's their prize acquisition from Minny.  Once he's back that should address some of their scoring issues.  They'll be bad but good enough to steal some wins against mediocre Eastern teams.
- NY has a few decent players.  KP is looking good (except when playing the C's) but doesn't have enough support to get to be a mediocre team.  Off to an ok start and have the talent to pull off some wins in a weak conference. 
- Atlanta has a crap roster pure and simple.  probably worst in the league.  very likely to have the worst record in the league at the end of the season. 
- Brooklyn has a crap roster as well but a little better than Atlanta in terms of players that could have a good game once in a while.  They're doing better than expected so far which is great in terms of their record but I suspect they'll come back to earth before long and have another lousy year in the end.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: JBcat on November 02, 2017, 10:07:46 AM
To me right now I’d say it’s 50/50 if the pick conveys.  For me I see the Kings, Mavs, Suns, Hawks, Bulls, and Knicks all potentially with worse records than the Lakers.  The Pacers actually look like they have a cohesive unit and Turner isn’t playing yet.  The Nets won’t be tanking in the second half of the season when many of the teams will unofficially mail it in.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Tr1boy on November 02, 2017, 10:10:44 AM
Worst case you get a high 2019 sac pick

Giving up the nets pick was smarter than to give up the lakers pick

Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: BitterJim on November 02, 2017, 10:13:36 AM
Worst case you get a high 2019 sac pick

Giving up the nets pick was smarter than to give up the lakers pick

No, worst case we get a non-lottery 2019 pick from the 76ers.  The lottery changes should help a lot, though, and give us a better shot at getting the Lakers pick this year and of avoiding the Kings getting the #1 pick in 2019
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Jvalin on November 02, 2017, 11:15:06 AM
Worst case you get a high 2019 sac pick

Giving up the nets pick was smarter than to give up the lakers pick

No, worst case we get a non-lottery 2019 pick from the 76ers.  The lottery changes should help a lot, though, and give us a better shot at getting the Lakers pick this year and of avoiding the Kings getting the #1 pick in 2019
The lottery changes will come into effect in 2019.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Tr1boy on November 02, 2017, 11:18:48 AM
Worst case you get a high 2019 sac pick

Giving up the nets pick was smarter than to give up the lakers pick

No, worst case we get a non-lottery 2019 pick from the 76ers.  The lottery changes should help a lot, though, and give us a better shot at getting the Lakers pick this year and of avoiding the Kings getting the #1 pick in 2019

No

Kings are brutal... And will be for the next 3 years

So realistic worst case we get their 2-5 2019 pick
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: BitterJim on November 02, 2017, 11:22:32 AM
Worst case you get a high 2019 sac pick

Giving up the nets pick was smarter than to give up the lakers pick

No, worst case we get a non-lottery 2019 pick from the 76ers.  The lottery changes should help a lot, though, and give us a better shot at getting the Lakers pick this year and of avoiding the Kings getting the #1 pick in 2019

No

Kings are brutal... And will be for the next 3 years

So realistic worst case we get their 2-5 2019 pick

...the Kings being awful increases our chances of the King's pick being #1.  If they're #1, we get the 76ers pick instead.

Are you saying that, despite the Kings being "brutal", there's no "realistic" chance of the Kings pick being #1 overall?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: BitterJim on November 02, 2017, 11:24:32 AM
Worst case you get a high 2019 sac pick

Giving up the nets pick was smarter than to give up the lakers pick

No, worst case we get a non-lottery 2019 pick from the 76ers.  The lottery changes should help a lot, though, and give us a better shot at getting the Lakers pick this year and of avoiding the Kings getting the #1 pick in 2019
The lottery changes will come into effect in 2019.

TP. You're right, I forgot about that.  So it only affects the Kings pick (making it less likely to be #1), but not the Lakers pick.  Still, not too shabby.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Tr1boy on November 02, 2017, 11:29:48 AM
Worst case you get a high 2019 sac pick

Giving up the nets pick was smarter than to give up the lakers pick

No, worst case we get a non-lottery 2019 pick from the 76ers.  The lottery changes should help a lot, though, and give us a better shot at getting the Lakers pick this year and of avoiding the Kings getting the #1 pick in 2019

No

Kings are brutal... And will be for the next 3 years

So realistic worst case we get their 2-5 2019 pick

...the Kings being awful increases our chances of the King's pick being #1.  If they're #1, we get the 76ers pick instead.

Are you saying that, despite the Kings being "brutal", there's no "realistic" chance of the Kings pick being #1 overall?

They do. But think probabilities

All those worst cases have to happen ... No way
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Tr1boy on November 02, 2017, 11:34:15 AM
The "meat" part of all of this imo

Lakers 2018 2-5 pick (60-65 percent)
Kings 2019 pick 2-6 (I would say 80 percent)

Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: BitterJim on November 02, 2017, 11:54:17 AM
Worst case you get a high 2019 sac pick

Giving up the nets pick was smarter than to give up the lakers pick

No, worst case we get a non-lottery 2019 pick from the 76ers.  The lottery changes should help a lot, though, and give us a better shot at getting the Lakers pick this year and of avoiding the Kings getting the #1 pick in 2019

No

Kings are brutal... And will be for the next 3 years

So realistic worst case we get their 2-5 2019 pick

...the Kings being awful increases our chances of the King's pick being #1.  If they're #1, we get the 76ers pick instead.

Are you saying that, despite the Kings being "brutal", there's no "realistic" chance of the Kings pick being #1 overall?

They do. But think probabilities

All those worst cases have to happen ... No way

...I am thinking probabilities.  Unrealistic possibilities would be saying that the Kings will end up making the playoffs, so the pick will be bad.  But there's a very solid chance that the pick ends up #1 if the Kings are "brutal" again next year (10.5-14% if they are a bottom 5 team).  "All those worst cases" is literally just the Kings winning the lottery after finishing at/near the bottom (a decent chance), and the 76ers making the playoffs in the east next season (a very good chance).

Do you honestly think that that is unrealistic?  Did you also think that it was unrealistic to call the Cs getting the #1 overall pick from the Nets last year the "best case scenario"? That was only a 25% chance on lottery night, and significantly less than that before the season
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Jvalin on November 02, 2017, 12:04:13 PM
The "meat" part of all of this imo

Lakers 2018 2-5 pick (60-65 percent)
Kings 2019 pick 2-6 (I would say 80 percent)
The Lakers might not even be a bottom 6 team this year.

Birdman posted an interesting list of his worst teams. Not sure I agree 100% with his point of view, but it's an interesting list nontheless.
So far this is where I rank my worst teams
1. Chicago
2. Sacramento
3. Atlanta
4. Dallas
5. Phoenix
6. New York
7. Brooklyn
8. Lakers

If that's the case, then the chances of the pick landing 2-5 are 7.2%.

Here are the odds for each team in the 2018 draft

(https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-dd8ba6b95064be160c506225613743a2)

And here are the chances of the pick landing 2-5 based on the Lakers seed at the end of the season

If the Lakers have the worst record : 75%
2nd worst record  : 80.1%
3rd worst record :80.4%
4th : 70.9%
5th : 46.5%
6th : 15.2%
7th : 10.7%
8th : 7.2%
9th : 4.4%
10th : 2.9%
11th : 2.1%
12th : 1.8%
13th : 1.6%
14th : 1.3%
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Eja117 on November 02, 2017, 03:07:16 PM
Josh Hart looks ok for a rookie
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 02, 2017, 11:21:05 PM
I still think the Lakers pick will be conveying this year.  Granted, there are some other bad teams out there but LA is playing in the West which is loaded with better teams that will beat on them more frequently than the teams in the East.

Thing is, there's a big difference between the talent levels of the West bottom feeders and the other Western teams as opposed to the smaller difference in talent levels of the East bottom feeders and the other Eastern teams.   The crappy teams in the West beating the not-crappy teams is more of a stretch than in the East due to that smaller talent gap in the East.

West:
Only other teams that are close to the Lakers in terms of futility are Sacramento, Phoenix and Dallas.
- Lakers.  Team is underwhelming in terms of players.  Lopez is the big name but not producing near his Nets level.  Leading scorer is Clarkson at less than 15 points per game.  KCP is a longshot to become more than a defensive player.  the rest are young players who haven't proven anything.
- Sacramento has more talent but hasn't figured out how to get them to play together yet as evidenced by their destruction by the C's this week.  They should be able to finish with a similar record to the Lakers if not a bit better.
- Dallas has more talent but isn't performing as well as they should.  Dirk looks to have really dropped off in talent this season.  The way a number of people here were falling over themselves to sign Harrison Barnes to a max deal he should be performing like an all-star instead of the mediocre 3rd banana he is.  in the end, this team should have enough pieces to end up better than the Lakers but worst case should be a similar record.
- Phx also has more talent than the Lakers but they're underperforming as well.  I'm anticipating them to improve as the season progresses and leave the Lakers comfortably behind them in the standings.  they'll still have a crappy record due to being in the West but they're a better team.

East:
We're looking at Brooklyn, Orlando, Atlanta, Indiana, NY  and Chicago as the bottom feeders. 
- Orlando is off to a great start.  Some of their youth seems to finally be making the leap to productive players.  We'll see if this continues or if they slide back to the pack.  As it is, the early wins will help them (us) in their effort to finish better than the Lakers.
- Indy is off to a good start as well.  Roster isn't great but they're winning.  Like Orlando, early wins will help in the effort to finish better than the Lakers.
- Chicago has a cruddy roster but they're missing Lavine who's their prize acquisition from Minny.  Once he's back that should address some of their scoring issues.  They'll be bad but good enough to steal some wins against mediocre Eastern teams.
- NY has a few decent players.  KP is looking good (except when playing the C's) but doesn't have enough support to get to be a mediocre team.  Off to an ok start and have the talent to pull off some wins in a weak conference. 
- Atlanta has a crap roster pure and simple.  probably worst in the league.  very likely to have the worst record in the league at the end of the season. 
- Brooklyn has a crap roster as well but a little better than Atlanta in terms of players that could have a good game once in a while.  They're doing better than expected so far which is great in terms of their record but I suspect they'll come back to earth before long and have another lousy year in the end.
agreed
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 02, 2017, 11:22:01 PM
Also looks like trailblazers doing work up like 15 on the lakers near he half
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: mr. dee on November 03, 2017, 12:04:40 AM
Blazers just blew their 18 point lead.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 03, 2017, 12:10:20 AM
You got to be kidding me
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 03, 2017, 12:11:36 AM
Caldwell pope is such a terrible and overrated player. Bad defense too
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticSooner on November 03, 2017, 12:22:55 AM
A guy like Lopez is going to be a thorn in the C's side all year. This Lakers team isn't terrible but they aren't good either.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on November 03, 2017, 12:55:24 AM
The Blazers could really use Melo right now to close this game out. The Blazers can blow teams out but they need a consistent closer. They may want to use Turner as that.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 03, 2017, 01:00:33 AM
Blazers back on top. This should be it
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on November 03, 2017, 01:01:41 AM
You think LA holds onto Lopez, or do they flip him midseason? I don't think they plan on resigning him. It'd really help us out to have them flip him for picks.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 03, 2017, 01:01:56 AM
Lol
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: mr. dee on November 03, 2017, 01:02:56 AM
KCP just tied the game.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on November 03, 2017, 01:03:30 AM
Lol

Lakers have loads of luck this season so far...
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 03, 2017, 01:03:43 AM
Lilliard is cold blooded for that one
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on November 03, 2017, 01:03:51 AM
http://bleacherreport.com/post/nba/727abc28-3bee-4187-94dc-523497c9d122

Nance with broken hand. That'll hurt their already terrible D for awhile.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on November 03, 2017, 01:04:02 AM
Dolla Dame!!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on November 03, 2017, 01:05:36 AM
Dolla Dame!!

Walton using Ingram as his stopper?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 03, 2017, 01:05:50 AM
Ingram is such a bad defender. Lilliard noticed they put Ingram on him and knew he could shoot from wherever he wanted
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on November 03, 2017, 01:06:39 AM
Ingram is such a bad defender. Lilliard noticed they put Ingram on him and knew he could shoot from wherever he wanted

Yeah, it was a bad call by walton...
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on November 03, 2017, 01:07:16 AM
1.) It's so great to root against the Lakers

2.) I loved at halftime when they showed Lopez & Nurkic's stats where they had a combined 37 points but only 3 rebounds

3.) Lakers do not look particularly impressive
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: trickybilly on November 03, 2017, 01:10:31 AM
Great Loss!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on November 03, 2017, 01:13:52 AM
1.) It's so great to root against the Lakers

2.) I loved at halftime when they showed Lopez & Nurkic's stats where they had a combined 37 points but only 3 rebounds

3.) Lakers do not look particularly impressive

Right now the Lakers are playing hard but they were playing hard at the beginning of last year too. They were 10-10 twenty games in. The Lakers right now are 3-5.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: MattyIce on November 03, 2017, 01:18:16 AM
http://bleacherreport.com/post/nba/727abc28-3bee-4187-94dc-523497c9d122

Nance with broken hand. That'll hurt their already terrible D for awhile.

not gonna lie, i'm not dissapointed
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on November 03, 2017, 01:28:34 AM
http://bleacherreport.com/post/nba/727abc28-3bee-4187-94dc-523497c9d122

Nance with broken hand. That'll hurt their already terrible D for awhile.

not gonna lie, i'm not dissapointed

Nance is leading the Lakers in rebounds and steals. He'll be hard to replace.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: obnoxiousmime on November 03, 2017, 01:45:24 AM
1.) It's so great to root against the Lakers

2.) I loved at halftime when they showed Lopez & Nurkic's stats where they had a combined 37 points but only 3 rebounds

3.) Lakers do not look particularly impressive

Right now the Lakers are playing hard but they were playing hard at the beginning of last year too. They were 10-10 twenty games in. The Lakers right now are 3-5.

But last year the entire organization was hell-bent on tanking enough to draft Lonzo Ball. This year they will lose their pick so they have no motivation to tank.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Rondo9 on November 03, 2017, 01:50:49 AM
1.) It's so great to root against the Lakers

2.) I loved at halftime when they showed Lopez & Nurkic's stats where they had a combined 37 points but only 3 rebounds

3.) Lakers do not look particularly impressive

Right now the Lakers are playing hard but they were playing hard at the beginning of last year too. They were 10-10 twenty games in. The Lakers right now are 3-5.

But last year the entire organization was hell-bent on tanking enough to draft Lonzo Ball. This year they will lose their pick so they have no motivation to tank.

Did the Lakers call Luke Walton while they were winning and tell him to lose?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on November 03, 2017, 02:05:07 AM
1.) It's so great to root against the Lakers

2.) I loved at halftime when they showed Lopez & Nurkic's stats where they had a combined 37 points but only 3 rebounds

3.) Lakers do not look particularly impressive

Right now the Lakers are playing hard but they were playing hard at the beginning of last year too. They were 10-10 twenty games in. The Lakers right now are 3-5.

But last year the entire organization was hell-bent on tanking enough to draft Lonzo Ball. This year they will lose their pick so they have no motivation to tank.

I guess they benched Mozgof and Deng like half way through the year, but a lot of these young teams start off less than terrible and then once the playoff push starts they sink like stones.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 03, 2017, 02:27:06 AM
http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?t=178621&start=17925

Laker fans starting to panic about Ingrams inability to do anything and lack of development. And also worrying about lonzos shooting form lol. Click the link and read for a good laugh

Meanwhile on the east coast, both brown and Tatum are very efficiently scoring and defending to make the Celtics #1 ranked defense.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on November 03, 2017, 06:42:06 AM
http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?t=178621&start=17925

Laker fans starting to panic about Ingrams inability to do anything and lack of development. And also worrying about lonzos shooting form lol. Click the link and read for a good laugh

Meanwhile on the east coast, both brown and Tatum are very efficiently scoring and defending to make the Celtics #1 ranked defense.
Don't see much overall panic.  A few posters can make a lot of noise. 
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: saltlover on November 03, 2017, 07:37:04 AM
1.) It's so great to root against the Lakers

2.) I loved at halftime when they showed Lopez & Nurkic's stats where they had a combined 37 points but only 3 rebounds

3.) Lakers do not look particularly impressive

Right now the Lakers are playing hard but they were playing hard at the beginning of last year too. They were 10-10 twenty games in. The Lakers right now are 3-5.

But last year the entire organization was hell-bent on tanking enough to draft Lonzo Ball. This year they will lose their pick so they have no motivation to tank.

I guess they benched Mozgof and Deng like half way through the year, but a lot of these young teams start off less than terrible and then once the playoff push starts they sink like stones.

And it’s not like benching Deng and Mozgov was a huge detriment.  Deng has played only 13 minutes this season, and Mozgov has been less than good for Brooklyn so far.  Ultimately the Lakers will want to play their kids to get them experience.  They’d prefer the kids win, but they’re not going to sit them except for occasional benchings to teach them a lesson.

Maybe Deng will get some playing time with Nance out.  Regardless, the Lakers aren’t tanking, but they’re not winning either.  We saw the same thing with Brooklyn last year — the goal is to let the kids play, period.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: slamtheking on November 03, 2017, 09:24:52 AM
still figuring the Lakers will have a bottom 5 record by the end of the season.  However, I'm wondering what would be more torturous for the Laker fans in the end:
1) finish with the worst record but post lottery end up with the #2 pick and see that go to the C's
2) have a great season where they just miss the playoffs and jump up in the lottery to #2 and see that pick go to the C's
3) have their pick come out #1 in the lottery and have it go to the Sixers.

I would think 1 or 2 would hurt them worse at this point since they must have come to terms with giving up a prized pick in a deal that has come back to haunt them.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 03, 2017, 01:42:18 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21270884/los-angeles-lakers-lonzo-ball-scores-no-points-worst-offensive-game-nba-career


Lonzo Ball 0 pts. Lol
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Darío SpanishFan on November 03, 2017, 01:47:54 PM
Let's see how much is out Larry Nance (broken hand). He was standing as one of the best team defenders, and they're very important for young, struggling teams.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 03, 2017, 02:28:45 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21270884/los-angeles-lakers-lonzo-ball-scores-no-points-worst-offensive-game-nba-career


Lonzo Ball 0 pts. Lol

Zoe not worried about zero points he gots him and Lavar a new 15m crib to shoot sum hoops at .
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on November 03, 2017, 10:38:45 PM
So Nance Jr. expected to miss 3-6 weeks.

And GO NETS!!!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on November 04, 2017, 12:14:41 AM
Sadly the Nets look like the Nets again.

Lakers winning big....
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: hpantazo on November 04, 2017, 12:19:07 AM
Ball looks really awful so far this season. He shoots worse than Marcus Smart.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on November 04, 2017, 12:19:39 AM
Ball looks really awful so far this season. He shoots worse than Marcus Smart.

Lonzo ROY? LOL.

Lonzo probably isn't even the best guy the Lakers drafted last summer (Kuzma is).
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: hwangjini_1 on November 04, 2017, 12:29:57 AM
so far tonight, lonzo is shooting 2-12. i havent watched him this season.

is the bad shooting due to defenders playing him hard? or just plain old bad shooting?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on November 04, 2017, 12:39:20 AM
so far tonight, lonzo is shooting 2-12. i havent watched him this season.

is the bad shooting due to defenders playing him hard? or just plain old bad shooting?

He's simply not a good shooter. He's missed quite a few open looks tbh this season.

That 29 point game he had vs. Phoenix (in which he also took 27 shots, mind you) is the only reason his PPG average looks decent lol.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticSooner on November 04, 2017, 01:04:51 AM
Brook Lopez go away!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 04, 2017, 01:06:24 AM
so far tonight, lonzo is shooting 2-12. i havent watched him this season.

is the bad shooting due to defenders playing him hard? or just plain old bad shooting?
when he misses his 3s, the ball goes left or right instead of short or long. Lol
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 04, 2017, 01:35:26 AM
Lonzo continues to hold the worst field goal percentage out of any player in the league
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 04, 2017, 01:40:08 AM
Lakers riding the HOME Game  wave and Lopez at his trade again .

Ball is weird looking cat
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: slightly biased bias fan on November 04, 2017, 01:43:55 AM
so far tonight, lonzo is shooting 2-12. i havent watched him this season.

is the bad shooting due to defenders playing him hard? or just plain old bad shooting?
when he misses his 3s, the ball goes left or right instead of short or long. Lol

This is why I knew Ainge and Stevens would stay away from Lonzo in the draft, his shooting motion is toxic and we are already seeing it, he'll be one of those guys who hits 5-7 from 3 one day then shoot 2-17 the next 4. People keep comparing him to Kidd but Jason was a fantastic defender from day one so if his shot wasn't falling he could be an asset on the other side of the court but Lonzo is terrible and seems quite lazy defensively, from picking up bad habits from his ego maniac father.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: trickybilly on November 04, 2017, 05:25:56 AM
Nice tough win against an Acy, Booker-less Nets side today.

Let's see how this team does against Memphis next up.

Then us.

Then the Wizards.

Then Milwaukee.

Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: cons on November 04, 2017, 06:33:00 AM
Kuzma may be their best player.  Funny. 😄😄. Sucks though.  They'd be way worse if they hadn't kind of gotten lucky w him being so good so fast.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: hwangjini_1 on November 04, 2017, 11:06:14 AM
Nice tough win against an Acy, Booker-less Nets side today.

Let's see how this team does against Memphis next up.

Then us.

Then the Wizards.

Then Milwaukee.
let's hold off all definitive judgments about lakers until the competition and especially their road trips ramp up.

the lakers have played only 3 road games in their first 9 games, and those were a short flight from LA.

this is a young team, playing okay at home, and the toll of the long nba season has not yet set in.

and, as mentioned above by TB, the lakers have an east coast swing next week and play some good teams.

so, it is still early and the lakers still suck. let's wait and see how it all plays out.  ;D
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 04, 2017, 11:11:08 AM
Zeller put effort in for,the Nets from what I saw .  Took a brutal charge .  He was not doing anything to help Celtics ,  standing around,  avoiding contact like KO. his play for Nets showed he was unhappy being a Celtic.  Glade he rode our bench and is history
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: hwangjini_1 on November 04, 2017, 11:11:08 AM
so far tonight, lonzo is shooting 2-12. i havent watched him this season.

is the bad shooting due to defenders playing him hard? or just plain old bad shooting?
when he misses his 3s, the ball goes left or right instead of short or long. Lol

This is why I knew Ainge and Stevens would stay away from Lonzo in the draft, his shooting motion is toxic and we are already seeing it, he'll be one of those guys who hits 5-7 from 3 one day then shoot 2-17 the next 4. People keep comparing him to Kidd but Jason was a fantastic defender from day one so if his shot wasn't falling he could be an asset on the other side of the court but Lonzo is terrible and seems quite lazy defensively, from picking up bad habits from his ego maniac father.
thanks sbbf. and over on SoSH i got this reply, which was helpful as well. author is lovegtm:

"He has below-average athleticism, so he's not able to get many high-percentage shots in the paint. At UCLA, he shot well at the rim, but if you watched the tape, it was basically all backdoor cuts and open dunks.

He's never been a good mid-range shooter, and his 3 takes a lot of space to get off. In college, he often had to step way back behind the line to get separation, and if you do that at the NBA 3-point line, you're getting close to halfcourt.

His passing skills are very very real, and he's a smart player and a good team defender, so I don't want to say he's garbage. But the shooting issues are also very real, and were fairly predictable."
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: hpantazo on November 04, 2017, 11:17:43 AM
We dodged a bullet by not taking Ball or Fultz. They both look awful, and I don't have much hope for either of them becoming franchise players or even perennial all-stars.

The Sixers should have just taken Fox or Smith Jr. at #3 and kept the Lakers/Kings pick.

The Lakers, well, I am not surprised one bit that Magic Johnson blew the best draft pick they have had in a long while in a deep draft.

So many guys that the Lakers could have taken that would have fit their team better and look like much better prospects. Markannen looks like a legit stud, Fox and Smith Jr. are great PG prospects, Josh Jackson would have been a great fit on the Lakers.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: KGs Knee on November 04, 2017, 11:56:38 AM
Not only does Lonzo Ball look like he is going to have a really hard time living up to the hype surrounding him, but the Lakers basically gave away D'Angelo Russell for free, only to see him have the beginnings of what looks like a breakout season in Brooklyn this year.

The Lakers should have kept D'Lo and ignored the bogus hype Lavar and the media was pushing. Magic got duped and I am loving every minute of it.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on November 04, 2017, 12:08:18 PM
We dodged a bullet by not taking Ball or Fultz. They both look awful, and I don't have much hope for either of them becoming franchise players or even perennial all-stars.

The Sixers should have just taken Fox or Smith Jr. at #3 and kept the Lakers/Kings pick.

The Lakers, well, I am not surprised one bit that Magic Johnson blew the best draft pick they have had in a long while in a deep draft.

So many guys that the Lakers could have taken that would have fit their team better and look like much better prospects. Markannen looks like a legit stud, Fox and Smith Jr. are great PG prospects, Josh Jackson would have been a great fit on the Lakers.
Don't understand why people make sweeping statements on young players a few games into their career.  Fultz and Lonzo have had bad starts but that doesn't mean they are going to be busts.  Tatum has had a nice start to his career but that doesn't mean he's going to be a franchise player or even end up better than Fultz or Lonzo. 

I would have just stayed at #3.  Good chance Fultz would have still been available anyway.  However I understand why Colangelo made the trade.  Fultz should fit very well with Simmons and Embiid.  Love Fox but he's a terrible fit with Simmons in the half court at this time.   They'd have been a terrifying duo in transition though.  Just not that high on Smith,  Think he's a stats stuffer. 

Not high on Lonzo.  Didn't understand why he was a ROY favorite.  He needs a several good shooters around him to excel and the Lakers certainly don't have them now.  If I were them, I would have taken Fox and slid Russell to SG, 
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 05, 2017, 01:51:48 PM
Lakers play grizzlies today.

Lakers play Celtics Wednesday. 
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 05, 2017, 01:53:01 PM
We dodged a bullet by not taking Ball or Fultz. They both look awful, and I don't have much hope for either of them becoming franchise players or even perennial all-stars.

The Sixers should have just taken Fox or Smith Jr. at #3 and kept the Lakers/Kings pick.

The Lakers, well, I am not surprised one bit that Magic Johnson blew the best draft pick they have had in a long while in a deep draft.

So many guys that the Lakers could have taken that would have fit their team better and look like much better prospects. Markannen looks like a legit stud, Fox and Smith Jr. are great PG prospects, Josh Jackson would have been a great fit on the Lakers.
Don't understand why people make sweeping statements on young players a few games into their career.  Fultz and Lonzo have had bad starts but that doesn't mean they are going to be busts.  Tatum has had a nice start to his career but that doesn't mean he's going to be a franchise player or even end up better than Fultz or Lonzo. 

I would have just stayed at #3.  Good chance Fultz would have still been available anyway.  However I understand why Colangelo made the trade.  Fultz should fit very well with Simmons and Embiid.  Love Fox but he's a terrible fit with Simmons in the half court at this time.   They'd have been a terrifying duo in transition though.  Just not that high on Smith,  Think he's a stats stuffer. 

Not high on Lonzo.  Didn't understand why he was a ROY favorite.  He needs a several good shooters around him to excel and the Lakers certainly don't have them now.  If I were them, I would have taken Fox and slid Russell to SG,
have you seen how bad simmons and Fultz fit? They didn't know what  to do
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: JHTruth on November 05, 2017, 03:35:23 PM
We dodged a bullet by not taking Ball or Fultz. They both look awful, and I don't have much hope for either of them becoming franchise players or even perennial all-stars.

The Sixers should have just taken Fox or Smith Jr. at #3 and kept the Lakers/Kings pick.

The Lakers, well, I am not surprised one bit that Magic Johnson blew the best draft pick they have had in a long while in a deep draft.

So many guys that the Lakers could have taken that would have fit their team better and look like much better prospects. Markannen looks like a legit stud, Fox and Smith Jr. are great PG prospects, Josh Jackson would have been a great fit on the Lakers.
Don't understand why people make sweeping statements on young players a few games into their career.  Fultz and Lonzo have had bad starts but that doesn't mean they are going to be busts.  Tatum has had a nice start to his career but that doesn't mean he's going to be a franchise player or even end up better than Fultz or Lonzo. 

I would have just stayed at #3.  Good chance Fultz would have still been available anyway.  However I understand why Colangelo made the trade.  Fultz should fit very well with Simmons and Embiid.  Love Fox but he's a terrible fit with Simmons in the half court at this time.   They'd have been a terrifying duo in transition though.  Just not that high on Smith,  Think he's a stats stuffer. 

Not high on Lonzo.  Didn't understand why he was a ROY favorite.  He needs a several good shooters around him to excel and the Lakers certainly don't have them now.  If I were them, I would have taken Fox and slid Russell to SG,

Lonzo looks like bust city to me. Hes shooting like 30% from the field. 25% from 3. 35% FROM TWO. Just awful. That's not going to improve that much. They should move him now.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on November 05, 2017, 03:40:51 PM
We dodged a bullet by not taking Ball or Fultz. They both look awful, and I don't have much hope for either of them becoming franchise players or even perennial all-stars.

The Sixers should have just taken Fox or Smith Jr. at #3 and kept the Lakers/Kings pick.

The Lakers, well, I am not surprised one bit that Magic Johnson blew the best draft pick they have had in a long while in a deep draft.

So many guys that the Lakers could have taken that would have fit their team better and look like much better prospects. Markannen looks like a legit stud, Fox and Smith Jr. are great PG prospects, Josh Jackson would have been a great fit on the Lakers.
Don't understand why people make sweeping statements on young players a few games into their career.  Fultz and Lonzo have had bad starts but that doesn't mean they are going to be busts.  Tatum has had a nice start to his career but that doesn't mean he's going to be a franchise player or even end up better than Fultz or Lonzo. 

I would have just stayed at #3.  Good chance Fultz would have still been available anyway.  However I understand why Colangelo made the trade.  Fultz should fit very well with Simmons and Embiid.  Love Fox but he's a terrible fit with Simmons in the half court at this time.   They'd have been a terrifying duo in transition though.  Just not that high on Smith,  Think he's a stats stuffer. 

Not high on Lonzo.  Didn't understand why he was a ROY favorite.  He needs a several good shooters around him to excel and the Lakers certainly don't have them now.  If I were them, I would have taken Fox and slid Russell to SG,
have you seen how bad simmons and Fultz fit? They didn't know what  to do
Because Fultz screwed up his shot and wouldn't take any jumpers.  Simmons is playing fine with McConnell who is not a good shooter but will take the shot when open.  Even if Fultz hadn't done so, I don't think he's ready to be a starter yet on a team trying to make they playoffs.  When Fultz comes back, they should bring him off the bench for around 15mpg.  Like we did with Brown last season. 

People seem to put aside all reason when knocking the Sixers.  Being a good fit doesn't mean plug and play especially when dealing with 3 very inexperienced players.  Lebron, Wade and Bosh turned Miami into a 2 time champion but their 1st 20 games together were rough. 
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 05, 2017, 03:51:38 PM
Pic did not work ..oh well  ;D
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 05, 2017, 05:44:09 PM
As of right now lakers tied for 6th worst in nba with 4 other teams

They face grizzlies tonight.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on November 05, 2017, 05:52:34 PM
As of right now lakers tied for 6th worst in nba with 4 other teams

They face grizzlies tonight.
Actually tied for 8th now with the Cavs loss. 
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: PAOBoston on November 05, 2017, 06:03:30 PM
As of right now lakers tied for 6th worst in nba with 4 other teams

They face grizzlies tonight.
Actually tied for 8th now with the Cavs loss.
The CLE defense is so abysmal. Like, so so bad.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on November 05, 2017, 06:17:49 PM
As of right now lakers tied for 6th worst in nba with 4 other teams

They face grizzlies tonight.
Actually tied for 8th now with the Cavs loss.
The CLE defense is so abysmal. Like, so so bad.
Right at the bottom of the league.  Which is quite an accomplishment considering the number of other lousy defensive teams in the league. 
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: MattyIce on November 05, 2017, 10:56:13 PM
As of right now lakers tied for 6th worst in nba with 4 other teams

They face grizzlies tonight.

seriously though, please lose tonight geeeez
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: mr. dee on November 05, 2017, 11:02:40 PM
Looks like a game over for Griz :(
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Rondo9 on November 05, 2017, 11:06:32 PM
Season is still early.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 05, 2017, 11:11:47 PM
One of the grizzlies starters has 0 pts and another bad 2 pts. What did they expect?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 05, 2017, 11:17:34 PM
Grizz chipped 4 pts off the lead. Still down 18 entering the 4th quarter
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on November 05, 2017, 11:18:48 PM
Are the Lakers actually good?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 05, 2017, 11:21:58 PM
Grizzlies let Brandon Ingram score 18 on them, and their SF That Ingram is guarding had 0 pts. Lol
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on November 05, 2017, 11:22:40 PM
Are the Lakers actually good?

They are much better than I thought they would be. The season is still young. Any teams taking them for granted shouldn't. They have beat some good teams.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 05, 2017, 11:22:58 PM
Are the Lakers actually good?
no. Every single team has no problem making Ingram look bad. But the grizzlies let Ingram and rookie Kuzma  put up double doubles and let the lakers defend  giving the grizzlies front court goose eggs
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: saltlover on November 05, 2017, 11:32:56 PM
Are the Lakers actually good?

No.  They've just been on a string of catching teams from thousands of miles away in the middle of road trips, coming off games against more difficult opponents.  They have 17 home games against teams from East of the Mississippi -- this is their 5th such game, despite being only 10 games into the season.  In other words, so far 50% of their games have been Eastern teams at home (including Memphis due to geography), and going the rest of the way only 16% of their games will be like this.  Heck, if you want to thrown in New Orleans, 60% of their games have been at home vs. Eastern teams.  This has pretty much been the easiest portion of their schedule for the entire season, and if they hold on and win tonight, they'll have gone 5-5 during it.  [EDIT: It looks like on the other side of their road trip East this week they have one more easy stretch, with 2 vs. Suns, hosting Chicago and Philly, and @ SAC over a 6 game stretch.  Then it's five months against the real teams of the NBA, and not at home nearly as much.]

I think they're a 24-28 win team.  Unfortunately for lottery odds this year, it probably means they'll be somewhere between 5th and 8th worst.  But they're not good, and we'll certainly get to watch the draft lottery with a reasonable chance of excitement, but with a higher chance of disappointment.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 05, 2017, 11:39:33 PM
Grizz cut into that lead. Can they keep cutting into it these final 2 minutes 44 seconds . They’re only down 10 now
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Celtic_Pride777 on November 05, 2017, 11:42:47 PM
I'm no longer invested in the Lakers pick. I don't think it will convey. The Lakers are just too good, and there are several NBA with less talent and more incentive to tank.

I MIGHT keep an eye on the Kings next season, but it's hard getting excited about drafting someone in 2019 who's currently teen in high school - not when you expect to be contending for titles at that point!!!!!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on November 05, 2017, 11:44:40 PM
Oh man, what a comeback in progress!

A flagrant here would be yuuuggeee!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 05, 2017, 11:47:36 PM
Grizz cut into that lead. Can they keep cutting into it these final 2 minutes 44 seconds . They’re only down 10 now
I called it.

Lakers thought they already won and started getting sloppy. No defense and turnovers
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: BringToughnessBack on November 05, 2017, 11:58:47 PM
Not expecting pick to convey. [dang] you Lopez.. if he stays healthy, it is between 9-14. There are too many teams worse I fear. If somehow he breaks down, we have a chance.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 06, 2017, 12:00:30 AM
I'm not sure why people are impressed with the Lakers. The grizz were down 22 and were able to get it within 2 pts in the 4th before choking. Lakers are overrated
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: MVPPierceNoJoke on November 06, 2017, 12:05:08 AM
Not expecting pick to convey. [dang] you Lopez.. if he stays healthy, it is between 9-14. There are too many teams worse I fear. If somehow he breaks down, we have a chance.
They will come back down to earth. The league gave them a pretty favorable schedule so far. The Celtocs need to set the tone for their upcoming road trip
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on November 06, 2017, 12:05:11 AM
Grizz cut into that lead. Can they keep cutting into it these final 2 minutes 44 seconds . They’re only down 10 now
I called it.

Lakers thought they already won and started getting sloppy. No defense and turnovers
Lakers still won.  Not unusual for a young team to have difficulty closing out games.  The Heat aren't young and they nearly blew their huge lead.  Ingram starting to look like a #2 pick.  Lonzo still missing a lot of shots. 
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Tr1boy on November 06, 2017, 12:05:26 AM
Stinks

looks like the Lakers will not 2-5 range unless injuries occurs

even with Ball inconsistencies , they have some decent talent in the lineup.

Kuzma is playing well.  Lopez, KCP etc


i just hope if we can't snag a 2-5 pick , the Cavs can't either. 
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Rondo9 on November 06, 2017, 12:21:33 AM
Still early guys.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticSooner on November 06, 2017, 12:28:57 AM
They look like a 30-35 win team
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on November 06, 2017, 07:32:31 AM
Early returns are not good.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: jambr380 on November 06, 2017, 08:11:53 AM
Stinks

looks like the Lakers will not 2-5 range unless injuries occurs

even with Ball inconsistencies , they have some decent talent in the lineup.

Kuzma is playing well.  Lopez, KCP etc


i just hope if we can't snag a 2-5 pick , the Cavs can't either.

It's like they specifically brought in Lopez and signed KCP to ensure that the pick they give away this year (to Philly or us) is as low as possible. With so many young players on the roster, they still have a lot of minutes for them, but they clearly aren't tanking.

Let's just hope Sacramento also sucks next year.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: ChillyWilly on November 06, 2017, 08:16:58 AM
Do we think Lonzo's shot is going to start coming around or is he going to struggle with this in the NBA until he makes a change?

I'm sort of surprised he's off to this type of shooting start. I didn't expect him to be a knock down shooter but I didn't expect him to build his new mansion with so many bricks.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: moiso on November 06, 2017, 08:20:59 AM
Do we think Lonzo's shot is going to start coming around or is he going to struggle with this in the NBA until he makes a change?

I'm sort of surprised he's off to this type of shooting start. I didn't expect him to be a knock down shooter but I didn't expect him to build his new mansion with so many bricks.
I think shooting will be a weakness early in his career but I think he'll improve.  Shooting and defense aside, you can really see how he's changed the culture on that team already.  The team doesn't really seem like a bunch of parts that don't fit anymore.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on November 06, 2017, 08:49:38 AM
Do we think Lonzo's shot is going to start coming around or is he going to struggle with this in the NBA until he makes a change?

I'm sort of surprised he's off to this type of shooting start. I didn't expect him to be a knock down shooter but I didn't expect him to build his new mansion with so many bricks.
I think shooting will be a weakness early in his career but I think he'll improve.  Shooting and defense aside, you can really see how he's changed the culture on that team already.  The team doesn't really seem like a bunch of parts that don't fit anymore.
I'm not convinced he'll ever improve as a shooter unless he totally overhauls his shot. He'll have nights where he goes 4-9 and 3-6 from 3 but his shot requires too much space and too much time to get off so you'll see just as many 1-8 and 0-5 nights. .
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 06, 2017, 10:59:28 PM
Do we think Lonzo's shot is going to start coming around or is he going to struggle with this in the NBA until he makes a change?

I'm sort of surprised he's off to this type of shooting start. I didn't expect him to be a knock down shooter but I didn't expect him to build his new mansion with so many bricks.
I think shooting will be a weakness early in his career but I think he'll improve.  Shooting and defense aside, you can really see how he's changed the culture on that team already.  The team doesn't really seem like a bunch of parts that don't fit anymore.
I'm not convinced he'll ever improve as a shooter unless he totally overhauls his shot. He'll have nights where he goes 4-9 and 3-6 from 3 but his shot requires too much space and too much time to get off so you'll see just as many 1-8 and 0-5 nights. .
I agree. The shot goes  away  from the hoop when he misses.  I can't see it being fixed. You don't learn career shooting form during your nba career
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 06, 2017, 11:25:32 PM
Lakers pretty much go as Lopez goes .....same as before ....when he sucks they generally loose.

70 more games for Lopez to play.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Androslav on November 07, 2017, 05:34:58 AM
Just a friendly reminder.
Lakers are currently possessing just the leagues 13th worst record, but don't be discouraged, as they were 5-5 last year and ended up with the 2nd pick.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on November 07, 2017, 08:41:07 AM
Just a friendly reminder.
Lakers are currently possessing just the leagues 13th worst record, but don't be discouraged, as they were 5-5 last year and ended up with the 2nd pick.
TP
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: smokeablount on November 07, 2017, 04:29:28 PM
Do we think Lonzo's shot is going to start coming around or is he going to struggle with this in the NBA until he makes a change?

I'm sort of surprised he's off to this type of shooting start. I didn't expect him to be a knock down shooter but I didn't expect him to build his new mansion with so many bricks.
I think shooting will be a weakness early in his career but I think he'll improve.  Shooting and defense aside, you can really see how he's changed the culture on that team already.  The team doesn't really seem like a bunch of parts that don't fit anymore.
I'm not convinced he'll ever improve as a shooter unless he totally overhauls his shot. He'll have nights where he goes 4-9 and 3-6 from 3 but his shot requires too much space and too much time to get off so you'll see just as many 1-8 and 0-5 nights. .
I agree. The shot goes  away  from the hoop when he misses.  I can't see it being fixed. You don't learn career shooting form during your nba career

You can with great coaching and/or you have the necessary tools and need to put in more reps to master them.  Kawhi couldn't shoot a lick when he entered the league, nor Magic Johnson or Lebron.  I wouldn't bet money on Ball evolving into a 40% 3 point shooter but I also wouldn't say that his shooting can't be fixed.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: smokeablount on November 07, 2017, 04:32:08 PM
Just a friendly reminder.
Lakers are currently possessing just the leagues 13th worst record, but don't be discouraged, as they were 5-5 last year and ended up with the 2nd pick.

I guess, but they're a lot better this year and I'm giving up hope on the Lakers pick until further notice, as I've said for over a week now. 

I think they'll come back to earth but still, Lopez, Kuzma, Ingram, Randle, KCP, Clarkson and even Ball is more dynamic than their core last year. 

That's a core that can win some games on the road and pull off some upsets.  IMO, 30+ wins.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: libermaniac on November 07, 2017, 04:49:15 PM
Just a friendly reminder.
Lakers are currently possessing just the leagues 13th worst record, but don't be discouraged, as they were 5-5 last year and ended up with the 2nd pick.

I guess, but they're a lot better this year and I'm giving up hope on the Lakers pick until further notice, as I've said for over a week now. 

I think they'll come back to earth but still, Lopez, Kuzma, Ingram, Randle, KCP, Clarkson and even Ball is more dynamic than their core last year. 

That's a core that can win some games on the road and pull off some upsets.  IMO, 30+ wins.

Yep.  No use watching them and rooting for losses on a nightly basis.  But, they'll still be a lotto team, so we'll have a very small chance that they with the 2 or 3 spot.  I'm guessing < 5%.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on November 07, 2017, 04:52:51 PM
I have also given up on the pick barring lottery magic.

I think Dallas, Sac, Hawks and Bulls are pretty clearly the bottom 4.
Suns and Nets, perhaps Knicks and a few others will also be at the bottom.
Hard to see them finishing much worse than 8th worst record.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: saltlover on November 07, 2017, 05:07:11 PM
I have also given up on the pick barring lottery magic.

I think Dallas, Sac, Hawks and Bulls are pretty clearly the bottom 4.
Suns and Nets, perhaps Knicks and a few others will also be at the bottom.
Hard to see them finishing much worse than 8th worst record.

I haven’t.  I still think they’re about a 25-win team.  They probably go 4-6 over their next 10, but then quickly fall back in the standings.  Look at their schedule in December — they might not win a game. 
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: kraidstar on November 07, 2017, 05:48:31 PM
I have also given up on the pick barring lottery magic.

I think Dallas, Sac, Hawks and Bulls are pretty clearly the bottom 4.
Suns and Nets, perhaps Knicks and a few others will also be at the bottom.
Hard to see them finishing much worse than 8th worst record.

I haven’t.  I still think they’re about a 25-win team.  They probably go 4-6 over their next 10, but then quickly fall back in the standings.  Look at their schedule in December — they might not win a game.

I tend to agree.

For one it is common for inexperienced teams to start out relatively well, then sink once other teams get their act together.

They have also played 7/10 games at home so far, they are 4-3 at home and 1-2 on the road. For reference they had a .415 winning percentage at home last year, and the league average usually hovers around 60%.

Considering they also started 5-5 last year, it's far too early to say they have significantly improved.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: TheSundanceKid on November 08, 2017, 02:17:57 AM
With every win there is a huge kneejerk in this thread, it's hilarious. I hope you don't treat your stocks and shares this way...
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 08, 2017, 10:28:28 PM
And Celtics beat  Lakers
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on November 08, 2017, 10:37:25 PM
And Celtics beat  Lakers

Forgot about the pick implications, too! Good thing we won!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: BringToughnessBack on November 08, 2017, 10:44:10 PM
Still expecting 19 Kings to be our pick. Here is hoping Kings dont bottom out this year and draft player that will win them over 30 next year.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on November 08, 2017, 10:49:32 PM
Still expecting 19 Kings to be our pick. Here is hoping Kings dont bottom out this year and draft player that will win them over 30 next year.

The Lakers aren't going to win a game on their current road trip.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on November 09, 2017, 12:37:23 AM
I think that the Lakers will be like the 6th worst team when the dust clears, but that's still a 20% chance it converts.  It only took me like 22 tries to get their current 12th worst team standing to convert to #2 overall, which means that their is a chance!  Granted, it's only a 2% chance, but that still counts.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Androslav on November 09, 2017, 02:35:40 AM
I think that the Lakers will be like the 6th worst team when the dust clears, but that's still a 20% chance it converts.  It only took me like 22 tries to get their current 12th worst team standing to convert to #2 overall, which means that there is a chance!  Granted, it's only a 2% chance, but that still counts.
I am in the same boat regarding the chances. Nets/Lakers for the 6th/7th.
Still, if the pick conveys this year it would be a jackpot and 20% for a jackpot, would be a great number.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: byennie on November 09, 2017, 03:10:01 AM
Here's why I see it as (roughly) a coin flip.

1) I think it's extremely likely the Lakers finish between the 3rd and 7th worst record in the league. They won't finish ahead of teams like Milwaukee or OKC. They've barely played on the road, their defense is atrocious, and 5-6 is likely to be their highest winning percentage between now and the end of the season.

2) If they finish 3rd or 4th you're looking at ~80% chance of conveying... we only miss if they get the #1 overall pick (13%), or get bumped all the way back to 6+.

3) If they finish 5th, it's closer to even odds.

4) If they finish 6th-8th we're talking a 10-15% chance.

Put it all together and as long as the inflection point is around ~5th worst, you get pretty even odds.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: mr. dee on November 09, 2017, 07:36:04 PM
John Wall almost got roasted by Ball after showboating, lol.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: smokeablount on November 09, 2017, 07:50:04 PM
I have also given up on the pick barring lottery magic.

I think Dallas, Sac, Hawks and Bulls are pretty clearly the bottom 4.
Suns and Nets, perhaps Knicks and a few others will also be at the bottom.
Hard to see them finishing much worse than 8th worst record.

I haven’t.  I still think they’re about a 25-win team.  They probably go 4-6 over their next 10, but then quickly fall back in the standings.  Look at their schedule in December — they might not win a game.

You should have bet on the under for their season win total. My site had them at 33 wins, if you think they’ll win 8 less than that, that’s a good bet considering injuries would likely help your cause.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 10, 2017, 12:16:37 AM
Wiz beat lakers. Laker starters were 1-16 from 3


They face Greek freak Saturday
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenEnvy on November 10, 2017, 12:45:34 AM
Just a friendly reminder.
Lakers are currently possessing just the leagues 13th worst record, but don't be discouraged, as they were 5-5 last year and ended up with the 2nd pick.

I guess, but they're a lot better this year and I'm giving up hope on the Lakers pick until further notice, as I've said for over a week now. 

I think they'll come back to earth but still, Lopez, Kuzma, Ingram, Randle, KCP, Clarkson and even Ball is more dynamic than their core last year. 

That's a core that can win some games on the road and pull off some upsets.  IMO, 30+ wins.

I’m not as convinced as you are that they are significantly worse.

Half those players were on the team last year and have not made noticeable (or impactful) improvements. They also lost guys like Lou Williams, Nick Young, D’Angelo Russell, and Timofey Mozgov. All are serviceable players basically on the same level as their replacements (Lopez is the best of all of them but he doesn’t look the same, but he’s always a wind gust away from missing the rest of the season).

Are they better? Maybe. Enough to generate significantly more wins than last year? Doubt it.

So it comes down to who got better/worse around them.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: MVPPierceNoJoke on November 10, 2017, 12:46:07 AM
The Lakers schedule gets much more difficult starting Nov 27th. They have a 17 game strech where they play GSW and Houston three times each and the Clippers twice OKC, Minnisota, and at Cleveland as well. I think it is reasonable to think they can go 3-14 in that strech.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenEnvy on November 10, 2017, 12:46:23 AM
Just a friendly reminder.
Lakers are currently possessing just the leagues 13th worst record, but don't be discouraged, as they were 5-5 last year and ended up with the 2nd pick.

I guess, but they're a lot better this year and I'm giving up hope on the Lakers pick until further notice, as I've said for over a week now. 

I think they'll come back to earth but still, Lopez, Kuzma, Ingram, Randle, KCP, Clarkson and even Ball is more dynamic than their core last year. 

That's a core that can win some games on the road and pull off some upsets.  IMO, 30+ wins.

I’m not as convinced as you are that they are significantly better.

Half those players were on the team last year and have not made noticeable (or impactful) improvements. They also lost guys like Lou Williams, Nick Young, D’Angelo Russell, and Timofey Mozgov. All are serviceable players basically on the same level as their replacements (Lopez is the best of all of them, but he’s always a wind gust away from missing the rest of the season).

Are they better? Maybe. Enough to generate significantly more wins than last year? Doubt it.

So it comes down to who got better/worse around them.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsFanFromNYC on November 10, 2017, 12:48:57 AM
Cleveland, Warriors, Rockets, Warriors , Blazers then Timberwolves. In that order! December will be a rude awakening bound to destroy their confidence. God forbid they see an injury.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: trickybilly on November 11, 2017, 12:17:00 AM
Brooklyn win. Milwaukee win. OKC win

PICK IS COMING!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: mr. dee on November 11, 2017, 12:28:05 AM
Brooklyn win. Milwaukee win. OKC win

PICK IS COMING!

I don't think we should worry about the Bucks. They are not bad enough to miss the playoffs. As for OKC, really doubt they will be top 10 lottery teams even if they miss the WC playoffs.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: trickybilly on November 11, 2017, 12:39:09 AM
Brooklyn win. Milwaukee win. OKC win

PICK IS COMING!

I don't think we should worry about the Bucks. They are not bad enough to miss the playoffs. As for OKC, really doubt they will be top 10 lottery teams even if they miss the WC playoffs.

I know, I know. But over-reacting to short-term things is part of Celticsblog folklore. And all these teams are now either even or ahead of the Lakers at the moment in the standings.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on November 11, 2017, 09:28:15 PM
Looks like after tonight we'll hear about Lonzo being Kidd/Magic and how he's always been great  ::)

Guy has 11 points, 6 rebounds and 9 assists and it's only 2nd quarter.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 11, 2017, 09:48:03 PM
Looks like after tonight we'll hear about Lonzo being Kidd/Magic and how he's always been great  ::)

Guy has 11 points, 6 rebounds and 9 assists and it's only 2nd quarter.

also along the same lines ....people comparing Freak to KG or such .....surely he can beat the lowly Lakers at home ......or are they going to allow Ball and his hip jumper to beat them .   SMH .
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on November 11, 2017, 09:58:18 PM
The Bucks need some shooting.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on November 11, 2017, 10:00:58 PM
The Lakers are leading the league in winning!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on November 11, 2017, 10:41:22 PM
Ball with the triple double.

BUT Lakers on their way to a loss!  8)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 11, 2017, 10:42:01 PM
Bucks got this game.

Lakers suck. .....just like Lavar
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Neurotic Guy on November 11, 2017, 10:45:29 PM
Ball with the triple double.

BUT Lakers on their way to a loss!  8)

Hopefully they lose.  Ball on his way to another NBA.com headline.  Kuzma, meanwhile with a double-double and probably a 20/10.   Dang... why the heck did he slide to them?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Neurotic Guy on November 11, 2017, 10:56:42 PM
Lakers about to break the 7-way tie of team 5-7.   The loss will have them (for the time being) in the 6th worst slot.   Not good (bad) enough, but headed in the right direction.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: trickybilly on November 11, 2017, 11:00:14 PM
Ball with the triple double.

BUT Lakers on their way to a loss!  8)

Hopefully they lose.  Ball on his way to another NBA.com headline.  Kuzma, meanwhile with a double-double and probably a 20/10.   Dang... why the heck did he slide to them?

Rightfully so on his way to that headline. Joins a club of 33 other games since 1983 getting a triple double with at least 3 steals, 3 blocks..

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=game&year_max=2018&is_playoffs=N&age_min=0&age_max=99&season_start=1&season_end=-1&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&c1stat=stl&c1comp=gt&c1val=3&c2stat=blk&c2comp=gt&c2val=3&is_trp_dbl=Y&order_by=pts

I usually agree with Stephen A. Smith, but him saying he "smells bust" about Lonzo is simply ridiculous. Guy is going to be an All-Star..mark it down.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: TheSundanceKid on November 12, 2017, 04:39:42 AM
Ball with the triple double.

BUT Lakers on their way to a loss!  8)

Hopefully they lose.  Ball on his way to another NBA.com headline.  Kuzma, meanwhile with a double-double and probably a 20/10.   Dang... why the heck did he slide to them?

Rightfully so on his way to that headline. Joins a club of 33 other games since 1983 getting a triple double with at least 3 steals, 3 blocks..

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=game&year_max=2018&is_playoffs=N&age_min=0&age_max=99&season_start=1&season_end=-1&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&c1stat=stl&c1comp=gt&c1val=3&c2stat=blk&c2comp=gt&c2val=3&is_trp_dbl=Y&order_by=pts

I usually agree with Stephen A. Smith, but him saying he "smells bust" about Lonzo is simply ridiculous. Guy is going to be an All-Star..mark it down.
Of course he'll be an All star, it run on fan votes... Doesn't mean he'll deserve it.

He was picked 2nd overall ahead of some very sure things, he's going to have to be a top 15 player at some point in time to be a good pick. At the moment that's a heck of a long road for him
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 12, 2017, 12:24:20 PM
Lakers lost.

So Lonzos triple double isn’t impressive. Am I the only one not impressed by stat ladders like Westbrook who are able to get Triple doubles and their team loses at the end ? It’s selfish gameplay
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on November 12, 2017, 04:07:50 PM
Lakers lost.

So Lonzos triple double isn’t impressive. Am I the only one not impressed by stat ladders like Westbrook who are able to get Triple doubles and their team loses at the end ? It’s selfish gameplay
Sometimes I worry I get too wrapped up in being a fan and hating the Lakers and I've drifted too far from objectivity and then I read something like this. I want the Lakers to fail and I'm sick to death of the way the media treats Lonzo Ball but he is now the youngest player to ever get a triple double. Win or lose, that's impressive. 
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Neurotic Guy on November 12, 2017, 05:34:51 PM
Wrong Thread. OMG
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Neurotic Guy on November 12, 2017, 05:35:28 PM
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Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Neurotic Guy on November 12, 2017, 05:37:23 PM
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Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Neurotic Guy on November 12, 2017, 05:38:53 PM
Wrong Thread
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 15, 2017, 08:12:52 PM
Lakers sixers tonight
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: apc on November 15, 2017, 08:45:41 PM
Lakers sixers tonight
Should be fun , wish it started at an early time
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 16, 2017, 12:50:08 AM
Embiid 44pts / 14 rebounds / 7 assists

Danny Ainge said in a radio interview that the team would, in fact, have taken Embiid had he been on the board when their pick came up.

“Yes, we would have,” Ainge said on The Sports Hub’s “Toucher & Rich,” via MassLive. “He was not red-flagged, meaning ‘Stay away at all costs.’ He was rated a little bit less than (he would have been) with (his injury) risk, but he was a guy that we were looking at, had he fallen.”
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on November 16, 2017, 12:51:14 AM
Embiid 44pts / 14 rebounds / 6 assists
and 7 blocks
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 16, 2017, 12:57:32 AM
Embiid 44pts / 14 rebounds / 6 assists
and 7 blocks
amazing


Lakers about to lose. Love it
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 16, 2017, 01:00:40 AM
Luke Walton put randle on embiid and embiid showed him how to play basketball all night
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: jdz101 on November 16, 2017, 01:40:36 AM
Luke Walton put randle on embiid and embiid showed him how to play basketball all night

Terrible coaching. Blind freddy could see randle had no chance.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Adelaide Celt on November 16, 2017, 03:13:46 AM
Even if the pick doesn't convey this season, it's nice to want them to lose every game again.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 16, 2017, 04:14:32 AM
Lonzo Ball did not play in the 4th quarter for the 2nd game in a row, finished with 2 pts 2 assists 5 rebounds. Shot 1 - 9, and 0-6 from 3
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on November 16, 2017, 06:43:02 AM
Embiid 44pts / 14 rebounds / 6 assists
and 7 blocks
amazing


Lakers about to lose. Love it
Embiid finished with 46-15-7-7. He shot 14/20 overall, 2/3 from 3 and 16/19 from the line.

It's always a pleasure to see the Lakers lose. All the better to see something like this happen to them.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on November 16, 2017, 11:32:59 AM
Fun game last night. Also Hawks beat the Kings 126-80, Kings now 3-11. What a fallback option!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on November 16, 2017, 01:52:03 PM
Fun game last night. Also Hawks beat the Kings 126-80, Kings now 3-11. What a fallback option!
Yeah. I was kind of bullish on the Kings this year. I thought if their young talent developed they might have an interesting core that could be competing for a playoff spot next season, assuming they added another top 5 pick this summer, but they look just awful right now. De'aaron Fox has looked like the only guy who might ever be better than a pretty good role payer and he's still probably 2 years away if he continues to develop.

So yeah, I'm pretty happy to look foolish about my Sacramento prediction so far.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 16, 2017, 01:54:42 PM
Kings look very very bad. Its looking like it won't  be a disaster if it doesn't convey because  The kings are going to make it a top 2019 pick... trading the pick if a superstar becomes available again could also be a good option. Either way the pick is a great asset to have for free
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: saltlover on November 16, 2017, 02:06:33 PM
Fun game last night. Also Hawks beat the Kings 126-80, Kings now 3-11. What a fallback option!
Yeah. I was kind of bullish on the Kings this year. I thought if their young talent developed they might have an interesting core that could be competing for a playoff spot next season, assuming they added another top 5 pick this summer, but they look just awful right now. De'aaron Fox has looked like the only guy who might ever be better than a pretty good role payer and he's still probably 2 years away if he continues to develop.

So yeah, I'm pretty happy to look foolish about my Sacramento prediction so far.

Apology accepted.  I actually unfollowed Mark Deeks on Twitter over the summer when he praised
Sacramento’s free agency moves.  I am not remotely surprised they are horrible.  Also, with 14 players under contract for next year, this is their team.  The only risk with SAC if the Lakers pick rolls over is they win the top pick in the lottery.  Tough to see that not being a top 6 pick.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on November 16, 2017, 02:09:56 PM
Fun game last night. Also Hawks beat the Kings 126-80, Kings now 3-11. What a fallback option!
Yeah. I was kind of bullish on the Kings this year. I thought if their young talent developed they might have an interesting core that could be competing for a playoff spot next season, assuming they added another top 5 pick this summer, but they look just awful right now. De'aaron Fox has looked like the only guy who might ever be better than a pretty good role payer and he's still probably 2 years away if he continues to develop.

So yeah, I'm pretty happy to look foolish about my Sacramento prediction so far.

Apology accepted.  I actually unfollowed Mark Deeks on Twitter over the summer when he praised
Sacramento’s free agency moves.  I am not remotely surprised they are horrible.  Also, with 14 players under contract for next year, this is their team.  The only risk with SAC if the Lakers pick rolls over is they win the top pick in the lottery.  Tough to see that not being a top 6 pick.

Good anyone have predicted that George HIll would fall off a cliff like this?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: saltlover on November 16, 2017, 02:19:07 PM
Fun game last night. Also Hawks beat the Kings 126-80, Kings now 3-11. What a fallback option!
Yeah. I was kind of bullish on the Kings this year. I thought if their young talent developed they might have an interesting core that could be competing for a playoff spot next season, assuming they added another top 5 pick this summer, but they look just awful right now. De'aaron Fox has looked like the only guy who might ever be better than a pretty good role payer and he's still probably 2 years away if he continues to develop.

So yeah, I'm pretty happy to look foolish about my Sacramento prediction so far.

Apology accepted.  I actually unfollowed Mark Deeks on Twitter over the summer when he praised
Sacramento’s free agency moves.  I am not remotely surprised they are horrible.  Also, with 14 players under contract for next year, this is their team.  The only risk with SAC if the Lakers pick rolls over is they win the top pick in the lottery.  Tough to see that not being a top 6 pick.

Good anyone have predicted that George HIll would fall off a cliff like this?

Gordon Hayward?

That said, he posted some of the best numbers of his career at 30, which is somewhat unusual.  It was also in a smallish sample (49 games), and thus had a bit of an outlier feel to it.  I don’t think he’ll be this bad for the entire season, and ultimately wind up at his typical “average-NBA-Point-Guard” level.  But he’s not a good enough player to elevate his team from dreck to okay.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: kozlodoev on November 16, 2017, 02:39:42 PM
Fun game last night. Also Hawks beat the Kings 126-80, Kings now 3-11. What a fallback option!
Yeah. I was kind of bullish on the Kings this year. I thought if their young talent developed they might have an interesting core that could be competing for a playoff spot next season, assuming they added another top 5 pick this summer, but they look just awful right now. De'aaron Fox has looked like the only guy who might ever be better than a pretty good role payer and he's still probably 2 years away if he continues to develop.

So yeah, I'm pretty happy to look foolish about my Sacramento prediction so far.

Apology accepted.  I actually unfollowed Mark Deeks on Twitter over the summer when he praised
Sacramento’s free agency moves.  I am not remotely surprised they are horrible.  Also, with 14 players under contract for next year, this is their team.  The only risk with SAC if the Lakers pick rolls over is they win the top pick in the lottery.  Tough to see that not being a top 6 pick.

Good anyone have predicted that George HIll would fall off a cliff like this?
He's on the wrong side of 31, and he's been anything but a sure thing over the course of his career. He pulled similar disappearing acts in 2013 and 2015 so sucking after a big year looks more like the norm than an aberration.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on November 16, 2017, 02:58:41 PM
Fun game last night. Also Hawks beat the Kings 126-80, Kings now 3-11. What a fallback option!
Yeah. I was kind of bullish on the Kings this year. I thought if their young talent developed they might have an interesting core that could be competing for a playoff spot next season, assuming they added another top 5 pick this summer, but they look just awful right now. De'aaron Fox has looked like the only guy who might ever be better than a pretty good role payer and he's still probably 2 years away if he continues to develop.

So yeah, I'm pretty happy to look foolish about my Sacramento prediction so far.

Apology accepted.  I actually unfollowed Mark Deeks on Twitter over the summer when he praised
Sacramento’s free agency moves.  I am not remotely surprised they are horrible.  Also, with 14 players under contract for next year, this is their team.  The only risk with SAC if the Lakers pick rolls over is they win the top pick in the lottery.  Tough to see that not being a top 6 pick.

Good anyone have predicted that George HIll would fall off a cliff like this?
He's on the wrong side of 31, and he's been anything but a sure thing over the course of his career. He pulled similar disappearing acts in 2013 and 2015 so sucking after a big year looks more like the norm than an aberration.

I remember last year somebody was posting on here they didn't think the Jazz would necessarily trade him for IT.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 16, 2017, 11:23:55 PM
Saw this from another board

". Lonzo took an uncontested three last night that went a foot left of the basket and barely scraped the bottom of the backboard. Never seen that before. It was like watching Ben Wallace shoot from distance. Good luck getting that fixed. "
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticSooner on November 18, 2017, 12:55:26 AM
Suns after not even trying last night go to Lakerland and win by double digits. Starting to feel a little better about this pick.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 18, 2017, 01:14:05 AM
Suns after not even trying last night go to Lakerland and win by double digits. Starting to feel a little better about this pick.
plus they’re benching Lonzo down the stretch. Weird. Lol. That team is falling apart
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 18, 2017, 01:20:16 AM
Lakers face the nuggets on Sunday. The nuggets dropped 146 pts on the pelicans lol. It should be the same story because Lakers don't play good defense

After that they face:

Bulls
Kings
Clips
Warriors
Nuggets
Rockets

That's 5 probable losses in their next 7 games. This is mostly before their brutal December schedule.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: trickybilly on November 18, 2017, 01:25:15 AM
Lakers face the nuggets on Sunday. The nuggets dropped 146 pts on the pelicans lol. It should be the same story because Lakers don't play good defense

After that they face:

Bulls
Kings
Clips
Warriors
Nuggets
Rockets

That's 5 probable losses in their next 7 games. This is mostly before their brutal December schedule.

Bulls and Kings both coming off wins.

I said all along I believe in this pick.  I still believe.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: slightly biased bias fan on November 18, 2017, 01:26:08 AM
Suns after not even trying last night go to Lakerland and win by double digits. Starting to feel a little better about this pick.
plus they’re benching Lonzo down the stretch. Weird. Lol. That team is falling apart

What I find hilarious is that after Magic’s continuous snaps about Russell’s lack of leadership and praising Lonzo’s, tonight’s game ended with a scuffle and while his players were getting swarmed by Suns’ Lonzo literally walked away from it to the bench completely unconcerned.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 18, 2017, 01:34:51 AM
Lakers face the nuggets on Sunday. The nuggets dropped 146 pts on the pelicans lol. It should be the same story because Lakers don't play good defense

After that they face:

Bulls
Kings
Clips
Warriors
Nuggets
Rockets

That's 5 probable losses in their next 7 games. This is mostly before their brutal December schedule.

Bulls and Kings both coming off wins.

I said all along I believe in this pick.  I still believe.
same. THey face the warriors 3 times in next month and rockets 2 times in the next 40 days
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on November 18, 2017, 11:58:24 AM
Looking at it, the Lakers are currently the 8th worst team in the league, BUT.. I highly doubt the Hornets and Clippers will stay this bad for long (even if they are mediocre, they will improve over time in the season).

Then, it's pretty much between LAL, ATL, PHO, SAC, CHI & DAL, and hoping LAL are even worse than a few of these teams.

Unfortunately, I just think DAL and CHI are destined to be absolutely horrid all season and will blatantly tank, so maybe a few of ATL/PHO/SAC overachieve a bit and help us out?

Either way it looks like if this pick conveys, it will be #4 or #5 at best, unless the ping pong balls bless us again.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: JBcat on November 18, 2017, 12:49:21 PM
If you look at the Lakers schedule for December I wouldn’t be surprised if they lose every game.  It’s a really tough schedule. 

I think the Suns could surpass the Lakers.  The Mavs are stuck on 2 wins 4 wins away from the Lakers , and I think it’s going to be really tough for them to catch the Lakers.  I hope 2 out of the Hawks, Bulls, and Kings catch the Lakers.  The Bulls will be getting Lavine back so that should help their scoring at least, the Hawks have good coaching, and the Kings only 2 wins away at 4.

If it’s the Mavs, one of those 3 teams, and the Lakers ending up as the bottom 3 teams I will feel much better about our pick conveying.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: BringToughnessBack on November 18, 2017, 01:13:52 PM
Here is hoping Lonzo plays 40 minutes a game as well.

I don't expect the pick to convey and if it does, I will be super excited for us! Easier this way for me not to get disappointed if we miss out. Plus, I truly don't want to be watching results of every Lakers game hoping for losses. I want them to lose, but even watching their results leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth! :) Can you imagine if we got the 2nd pick in this next draft? How insane that would be. We need a big body young to join our squad for sure.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: SparzWizard on November 18, 2017, 02:53:41 PM
I hear Julius Randle is demanding a max contract LOL
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on November 18, 2017, 03:04:02 PM
I hear Julius Randle is demanding a max contract LOL

Where did you see this? This is hilarious if true
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: SparzWizard on November 18, 2017, 06:55:14 PM
I hear Julius Randle is demanding a max contract LOL

Where did you see this? This is hilarious if true

Oh wait nevermind. It was just an old post that got bumped on FB that I saw. It was about contract extension and it died down apparently.

Buuuut just speculations: https://twitter.com/billoram/status/930996294696316928
Take it however ya want. He took a shot at the Lakers  ;D
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 18, 2017, 11:01:59 PM
Lakers officially now have 7th worst record, with brutal schedule coming up.


Playing the lottery on http://www.tankathon.com is really fun because you can see the pick convert occasionally from lakers to the Celtics lol. Chances are against us right now but they should lose more.

Also chances are looking better than earlier in the season so far for our pick.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: trickybilly on November 18, 2017, 11:24:35 PM
So, if Denver do the job tomorrow on the Lakers, and the Suns can topple the Bulls trainwreck, we officially enter the ZONE OF PICK CONVEY...

Woot...

P.S Then when the Clippers inevitably start winning games again, pick goes to 4th with only Dallas, Chicago, Sac, and Atlanta worse. Probably stays that way, although after today's game, I wouldn't be surprised if Atlanta win a fair amount of games this year...

GIVE ME THAT SECOND PICK IN THE DRAFT. GIIIIIIVE IT. GIVIT. GIVE. GIMME. GIVE. I want to rule ALL of these lands, I want Alacazar.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 18, 2017, 11:41:36 PM
So, if Denver do the job tomorrow on the Lakers, and the Suns can topple the Bulls trainwreck, we officially enter the ZONE OF PICK CONVEY...

Woot...

P.S Then when the Clippers inevitably start winning games again, pick goes to 4th with only Dallas, Chicago, Sac, and Atlanta worse. Probably stays that way, although after today's game, I wouldn't be surprised if Atlanta win a fair amount of games this year...

GIVE ME THAT SECOND PICK IN THE DRAFT. GIIIIIIVE IT. GIVIT. GIVE. GIMME. GIVE. I want to rule ALL of these lands, I want Alacazar.
that works perfectly cuz we need them 4th too. I think someone Said it gives us the best chances at 2 and 3 it if any other position
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on November 18, 2017, 11:45:13 PM
So, if Denver do the job tomorrow on the Lakers, and the Suns can topple the Bulls trainwreck, we officially enter the ZONE OF PICK CONVEY...

Woot...

P.S Then when the Clippers inevitably start winning games again, pick goes to 4th with only Dallas, Chicago, Sac, and Atlanta worse. Probably stays that way, although after today's game, I wouldn't be surprised if Atlanta win a fair amount of games this year...

GIVE ME THAT SECOND PICK IN THE DRAFT. GIIIIIIVE IT. GIVIT. GIVE. GIMME. GIVE. I want to rule ALL of these lands, I want Alacazar.
that works perfectly cuz we need them 4th too. I think someone Said it gives us the best chances at 2 and 3 it if any other position

Really? How so?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: slightly biased bias fan on November 18, 2017, 11:59:51 PM
If we could get that second pick and somehow get Bagley OMG, tell the league to shut it down for 4-5 years because it's ours. Bagley III is the perfect guy for us, he's extremely raw and makes mistakes but is still putting up 20 10 in college, he would come off the bench for Horford/Tatum and within 2-3 years we can just just replace the aging Horford with Bagley III. He really reminds me of Bosh/Durant hybrid, his body is very reminiscent of Bosh but the way he moves is a very similar to Durant.

Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsFanFromNYC on November 19, 2017, 03:17:10 AM
So, if Denver do the job tomorrow on the Lakers, and the Suns can topple the Bulls trainwreck, we officially enter the ZONE OF PICK CONVEY...

Woot...

P.S Then when the Clippers inevitably start winning games again, pick goes to 4th with only Dallas, Chicago, Sac, and Atlanta worse. Probably stays that way, although after today's game, I wouldn't be surprised if Atlanta win a fair amount of games this year...

GIVE ME THAT SECOND PICK IN THE DRAFT. GIIIIIIVE IT. GIVIT. GIVE. GIMME. GIVE. I want to rule ALL of these lands, I want Alacazar.
that works perfectly cuz we need them 4th too. I think someone Said it gives us the best chances at 2 and 3 it if any other position

Really? How so?

According to Tankathon.com, the 4th worst team will have the best chance  of sneaking into the top 3 at 37.8%. that is compared to everyone else out of the top 3. The 5th place team chances decrease to 29.1%.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: mef730 on November 19, 2017, 01:07:49 PM
This is still a tough year.

Phoenix is awful and getting awfuler without Bledsoe.
Dallas is simply awful. So is Chicago.
I'm embarrassed to say how badly I overestimated Sacramento.

That's four. Atlanta has shown some signs of life and the Clippers will be fine, but the Lakers have a couple of decent players in Lopez and KCP, the bench isn't awful and the rookies have potential. This year is going to be tough to get into the top 5, absent some help from the lottery.

The biggest plus is just how bad Sacramento has been. I figured this would be the year that their youth movement would start to pay dividends. Oops.

Mike

Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Darío SpanishFan on November 19, 2017, 01:13:45 PM
I'm not in panic mode. I have no problem with the Lakers being the 7th-8th worst team in the league, there is always the lottery option.

I'm more focused on Sacramento being bad but not getting a top-5 pick, to ensure next year we may have a good pick in case it doesn't convey in 2018. I don't think they can get any top FAs next summer so they should keep quite bad for 2018-19.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on November 19, 2017, 09:32:32 PM
Suns vs. Bulls game going on right now. Win-win situation for us there.

If Suns win and Lakers lose as well, then Lakers would be worse than Suns and would be 4th worst in West (with Clippers 3rd worst, though don't expect that to last).

If Bulls win, that helps too, as you predict Dallas and Chicago will just downright be awful all season, so have to hope they can get their wins whenever possible.

Either way, GO NUGGETS!  :laugh:
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 19, 2017, 09:43:36 PM
Suns vs. Bulls game going on right now. Win-win situation for us there.

If Suns win and Lakers lose as well, then Lakers would be worse than Suns and would be 4th worst in West (with Clippers 3rd worst, though don't expect that to last).

If Bulls win, that helps too, as you predict Dallas and Chicago will just downright be awful all season, so have to hope they can get their wins whenever possible.

Either way, GO NUGGETS!  :laugh:
bulls and suns switching leads

Lakers scored first 3-0 so far lol
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: MattyIce on November 19, 2017, 10:33:04 PM
so i turn on the game to find out how denver is getting beat so bad and within a minute they throw out coach Malone and Jokic, is there even a point in watching ? [dang]
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on November 19, 2017, 10:36:35 PM
so i turn on the game to find out how denver is getting beat so bad and within a minute they throw out coach Malone and Jokic, is there even a point in watching ? [dang]

Millsap to the locker room too.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: saltlover on November 19, 2017, 10:42:00 PM
so i turn on the game to find out how denver is getting beat so bad and within a minute they throw out coach Malone and Jokic, is there even a point in watching ? [dang]

Millsap to the locker room too.

They were all ejected?? For what?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on November 19, 2017, 10:47:08 PM
so i turn on the game to find out how denver is getting beat so bad and within a minute they throw out coach Malone and Jokic, is there even a point in watching ? [dang]

Millsap to the locker room too.

They were all ejected?? For what?

Millsap’s hurt.

No idea what was said. Jokic thought he got fouled twice on one play, said something to ref. Coach rushed onto the court to argue with ref and was held back by an assistant.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on November 19, 2017, 10:47:16 PM
The Lakers are too good :-\
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 19, 2017, 10:49:56 PM
Lakers up 22 pts. Looks like refs want la to win
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on November 19, 2017, 11:04:58 PM
Yeah that was absolutely dumb to throw out Jokic and Malone. Idiot refs...

NBA seriously needs to review that, but hey, it's the darling Lakers so..  ::)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on November 19, 2017, 11:09:15 PM
Yeah that was absolutely dumb to throw out Jokic and Malone. Idiot refs...

NBA seriously needs to review that, but hey, it's the darling Lakers so..  ::)

Not refs. Ref.

One ref gave both Ts and then threw them out.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Rondo9 on November 19, 2017, 11:17:12 PM
It feels like the Lakers played a lot of home games.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: saltlover on November 19, 2017, 11:33:17 PM
It feels like the Lakers played a lot of home games.

It’s because they have.  And a lot vs. teams from east of the Mississippi (so teams on long road trips).
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Rondo9 on November 20, 2017, 01:49:53 AM
Lonzo got another triple double, he's already better than Tatum.  ;)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 20, 2017, 02:12:05 AM
Swings like this are expected this early in the season, but Looks like the odds lowered dramatically today after the results of all the wrong teams winning and losing. Nets lost, Lakers won. Etc. Lakers went from 7th worst to 10th worst on the reset
The ejection of multiple Nuggets players allowed the lakers to win easy today

We need the teams in December to destroy the lakers. They play the warriors like 2 or 3 times, Rockets twice, nuggets again, etc. it’s going to be brutal
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenEnvy on November 20, 2017, 02:25:21 AM
Swings like this are expected this early in the season, but Looks like the odds lowered dramatically today after the results of all the wrong teams winning and losing. Nets lost, Lakers won. Etc. Lakers went from 7th worst to 10th worst on the reset
The ejection of multiple Nuggets players allowed the lakers to win easy today

We need the teams in December to destroy the lakers. They play the warriors like 2 or 3 times, Rockets twice, nuggets again, etc. it’s going to be brutal

Hence why it’s wayyyy too early to worry about these things. Last year was different because we were guaranteed the pick and obviously wanted the best odds, therefore we wanted Brooklyn to lose every game and the other bottom feeders to win.

This year it’s different. We want the Lakers to be bad, but not the worst. There will be plenty of jostling between the bottom 6-7 teams, or at least 2-3 of the very worst and then the next group of 5 or so of the bad ones.

In a perfect world, we want the Lakers to land the second pick and the Nets to turn up 14th. It’s impossible to predict or worry about this early, so better to enjoy what the C’s are doing and not fret over Laker wins and Nets losses.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on November 20, 2017, 12:22:18 PM
Still early but it's hard to imagine the Lakers falling behind Atlanta, Chicago, or Sacramento right now. I'm basically writing those 3 teams off. Dallas looks awful but who knows with a Rick Carlisle team.

I'm still anticipating a big falter from the Lakers just like last season but it's looking like the best we can reasonably hope for would be #4 odds.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: fairweatherfan on November 20, 2017, 12:56:28 PM
I don't really mind if the Lakers pick doesn't convey - we already have 2 young high lotto picks to develop.  Having too many high-end prospects on a successful team is a good problem to have, but an extra year before having to work another guy into the rotation would probably help sort things out.

I think I mostly want the Lakers pick just to take it from them and have "their" pick running around in green. Spite's a key factor.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on November 20, 2017, 12:58:33 PM
This thread is dead to me :/

Bring on the 2019 Sacramento Season Watch Thread!!! :)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: saltlover on November 20, 2017, 12:58:41 PM
Still early but it's hard to imagine the Lakers falling behind Atlanta, Chicago, or Sacramento right now. I'm basically writing those 3 teams off. Dallas looks awful but who knows with a Rick Carlisle team.

I'm still anticipating a big falter from the Lakers just like last season but it's looking like the best we can reasonably hope for would be #4 odds.

I could see the Hawks winning some games.  Their net rating is between the Nets and Heat, and closer to the Lakers than they are the Suns.  Heck, they’re closer to the Sixers and Cavs than they are Phoenix (and Dallas, Chicago, and Sacramento are all below or well below Phoenix).

So far they look like a poor team that’s lost some games, but not bottom of the league bad.  I’d be much more worried about LA’s ability to finish behind Dallas than Atlanta.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: footey on November 20, 2017, 12:59:03 PM
I don't really mind if the Lakers pick doesn't convey - we already have 2 young high lotto picks to develop.  Having too many high-end prospects on a successful team is a good problem to have, but an extra year before having to work another guy into the rotation would probably help sort things out.

I think I mostly want the Lakers pick just to take it from them and have "their" pick running around in green. Spite's a key factor.

Exactly. TP
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Granath on November 20, 2017, 01:03:55 PM
I think I mostly want the Lakers pick just to take it from them and have "their" pick running around in green. Spite's a key factor.

I like the way you think.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on November 20, 2017, 01:54:37 PM
Still early but it's hard to imagine the Lakers falling behind Atlanta, Chicago, or Sacramento right now. I'm basically writing those 3 teams off. Dallas looks awful but who knows with a Rick Carlisle team.

I'm still anticipating a big falter from the Lakers just like last season but it's looking like the best we can reasonably hope for would be #4 odds.

I could see the Hawks winning some games.  Their net rating is between the Nets and Heat, and closer to the Lakers than they are the Suns.  Heck, they’re closer to the Sixers and Cavs than they are Phoenix (and Dallas, Chicago, and Sacramento are all below or well below Phoenix).

So far they look like a poor team that’s lost some games, but not bottom of the league bad.  I’d be much more worried about LA’s ability to finish behind Dallas than Atlanta.
That's interesting. Maybe I'm underestimating Budenholzer to get everyone playing together and within their roles but I just don't trust any of the talent on that Atlanta team.

Dallas doesn't look like they have any less talent than they had last season when they won 33 games (except for Dirk's continued slide toward retirement) and I have a really high opinion of Carlisle.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 20, 2017, 03:09:07 PM
Here’s the ejection from the nuggets

Jocic did nothing
https://youtu.be/lcskqXLjCZs

Also their coach seemed super mad about missed calls.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: trickybilly on November 21, 2017, 02:18:35 AM
So, the Lakers play Chicago tomorrow at Staples. They probably win that game. Then they play the Kings which they will probably also win. But they are reeeaaaaallly going to need those two wins, because after that, they're schedule becomes absolutely BRUTAL until 2018 pretty much:

Clippers
Warriors
Nuggets
Rockets
Philly
Charlotte
New York
Cleveland
Warriors
Rockets
Warriors
Blazers
Wolves
Grizz
Clippers
Rockets
Wolves
OKC

That brings us up until the 4th of January

Good. Luck. Lonzo.

Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: TheSundanceKid on November 21, 2017, 08:06:15 AM
This thread is dead to me :/

Bring on the 2019 Sacramento Season Watch Thread!!! :)

I'm not gonna give up on the Lakers this year but there are significant questions about which pick we'd rather have. From a cap perspective it would be much better to have the 2019 Sac pick, our contracts would be much better aligned if that happened.

Best case scenario could be someone in the top 5 (Bamba, Ayton for example) spending another year in college and us getting the #2 pick in 2019.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 21, 2017, 11:55:19 PM
Bulls are up 18 on the Lakers in the 3rd. Blowout lol.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 21, 2017, 11:56:25 PM
So, the Lakers play Chicago tomorrow at Staples. They probably win that game. Then they play the Kings which they will probably also win. But they are reeeaaaaallly going to need those two wins, because after that, they're schedule becomes absolutely BRUTAL until 2018 pretty much:

Clippers
Warriors
Nuggets
Rockets
Philly
Charlotte
New York
Cleveland
Warriors
Rockets
Warriors
Blazers
Wolves
Grizz
Clippers
Rockets
Wolves
OKC

That brings us up until the 4th of January

Good. Luck. Lonzo.
not so fast. Bulls up about 20 pts on the Lakers. If the bulls can do that, imagine what other teams can do.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: hwangjini_1 on November 22, 2017, 12:05:53 AM
Bulls are up 18 on the Lakers in the 3rd. Blowout lol.
And Lonzo is 2-11 shooting, 1-6 on three pointers, so far. I guess Walton is bad coach once more tonight. ;D
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 22, 2017, 12:09:30 AM
Bulls are up 18 on the Lakers in the 3rd. Blowout lol.
And Lonzo is 2-11 shooting, 1-6 on three pointers, so far. I guess Walton is bad coach once more tonight. ;D
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Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 22, 2017, 12:18:28 AM
Bulls blew their big lead now its only a 3 pt lead
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on November 22, 2017, 12:28:13 AM
Bulls blew their big lead now its only a 3 pt lead

Tied now...
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on November 22, 2017, 12:41:21 AM
Tied again.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticSooner on November 22, 2017, 12:42:39 AM
This Bulls team is pretty terrible. Lakers suck tonight and still will probably win this.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on November 22, 2017, 12:44:06 AM
Dude, the Lakers are unbeatable! This is getting annoying.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Rondo9 on November 22, 2017, 12:47:36 AM
Dude, the Lakers are unbeatable! This is getting annoying.

You mean the Celtics? ;)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on November 22, 2017, 12:49:42 AM
This Bulls team is pretty terrible. Lakers suck tonight and still will probably win this.

The Lakers have a very easy schedule so far and they are beating a very bad Bulls team with a furious comeback. Tomorrow night The Lakers play The Kings.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Rondo9 on November 22, 2017, 12:52:56 AM
They also played a LOT of home as well.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: BringToughnessBack on November 22, 2017, 01:48:54 AM
Anybody that thinks we have a chance in hell in getting that pick this year is delusional. 18 games in and Lakers would be 8th seed now. OKC in lottery! haha...Is Carmelo cursed? Here is hoping Sac sucks next year.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: MVPPierceNoJoke on November 22, 2017, 01:53:29 AM
Lakers are about to have a horrible month of December. Lets all try to hold judgement for a little longer
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticSooner on November 22, 2017, 02:16:15 AM
Anybody that thinks we have a chance in hell in getting that pick this year is delusional. 18 games in and Lakers would be 8th seed now. OKC in lottery! haha...Is Carmelo cursed? Here is hoping Sac sucks next year.

It’s not how you start it’s how you finish. Way too early to throw in the towel.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Rondo9 on November 22, 2017, 02:21:53 AM
Anybody that thinks we have a chance in hell in getting that pick this year is delusional. 18 games in and Lakers would be 8th seed now. OKC in lottery! haha...Is Carmelo cursed? Here is hoping Sac sucks next year.

Are they eighth seed? Calm down, please.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: TheSundanceKid on November 22, 2017, 05:39:01 AM
Anybody that thinks we have a chance in hell in getting that pick this year is delusional. 18 games in and Lakers would be 8th seed now. OKC in lottery! haha...Is Carmelo cursed? Here is hoping Sac sucks next year.
We aren't expecting them to be the worst team in the league... In fact that would be bad for us. There are clearly some very bad teams this year but LAL is defintely in that bottom 6-7 teams.

The drama is building, the schedule is turning, let's revisit next month before we get downhearted.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: moiso on November 22, 2017, 07:43:36 AM
Anybody that thinks we have a chance in hell in getting that pick this year is delusional. 18 games in and Lakers would be 8th seed now. OKC in lottery! haha...Is Carmelo cursed? Here is hoping Sac sucks next year.
Carmelo is the curse.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: PAOBoston on November 22, 2017, 07:46:16 AM
Whatever happens with the Laker pick happens. If not this year, I would expect the SAC pick to be a lotto pick.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: jambr380 on November 22, 2017, 08:01:10 AM
I'm a little panicked about the luxury tax anyway. Being able to push it off another year may be really helpful, especially since it seems we have guaranteed max guys in Brown and Tatum.

And with the way Smart is playing, I almost can't imagine he won't be playing for the QO (or sucking it up and signing a bargain deal for just over the QO for multiple years).

We'll see how the schedule works out for the Lakers, but they are playing relatively well. It's just a bummer since we have been talking about these 5 prospects seemingly forever. Maybe if Porter really does drop, Danny can trade the Sac pick for him and pay even less money like he did with Tatum.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: saltlover on November 22, 2017, 08:05:56 AM
When they were 5-5 I said the Lakers would go 4-6 over their next 10 (they’ve gone 3-5 so far), before going on a lengthy period where they win 1-2 games over a month.  I think they’ll be no better than 13-28 at the 41-game mark.  Hopefully I can find this post in 7 weeks to see how I did.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: droopdog7 on November 22, 2017, 02:55:20 PM
Anybody that thinks we have a chance in hell in getting that pick this year is delusional. 18 games in and Lakers would be 8th seed now. OKC in lottery! haha...Is Carmelo cursed? Here is hoping Sac sucks next year.
We aren't expecting them to be the worst team in the league... In fact that would be bad for us. There are clearly some very bad teams this year but LAL is defintely in that bottom 6-7 teams.

The drama is building, the schedule is turning, let's revisit next month before we get downhearted.
Being the worst team in the league gives us a 75% chance of getting a pick that would be no worse that #4.  How is that bad for us?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on November 22, 2017, 02:59:05 PM
I'm a little panicked about the luxury tax anyway. Being able to push it off another year may be really helpful, especially since it seems we have guaranteed max guys in Brown and Tatum.

And with the way Smart is playing, I almost can't imagine he won't be playing for the QO (or sucking it up and signing a bargain deal for just over the QO for multiple years).

We'll see how the schedule works out for the Lakers, but they are playing relatively well. It's just a bummer since we have been talking about these 5 prospects seemingly forever. Maybe if Porter really does drop, Danny can trade the Sac pick for him and pay even less money like he did with Tatum.

Can always trade the pick Fultz/Tatum style for extra picks!  :)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: mobilija on November 22, 2017, 03:34:01 PM
When they were 5-5 I said the Lakers would go 4-6 over their next 10 (they’ve gone 3-5 so far), before going on a lengthy period where they win 1-2 games over a month.  I think they’ll be no better than 13-28 at the 41-game mark.  Hopefully I can find this post in 7 weeks to see how I did.

I'm all in on the saltover prognostication train!

I wanna go to Vegas w you!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on November 22, 2017, 08:30:22 PM
Anybody that thinks we have a chance in hell in getting that pick this year is delusional. 18 games in and Lakers would be 8th seed now. OKC in lottery! haha...Is Carmelo cursed? Here is hoping Sac sucks next year.
The Lakers are 8-10 right now. Last year they started the season 9-9 and wound up with the 3rd worst record in the league. That's no guarantee that this year's Lakers will falter the same way but it's certainly not delusional to think it could happen again. Especially when the Clippers, Jazz, Grizzlies, and Thunder are all very probably to pass the Lakers at some point.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on November 23, 2017, 12:51:17 AM
Sucks that our winning streak ended.

BUT...

LAKERS LOSE TO THE KINGS TONIGHT IN BLOWOUT!  ;D

The Lakers are also about to enter a pretty ROUGH stretch of games from now until early January. Hope they lose as many as possible while other teams "catch up" to their win total lol.

Their next game vs Clippers on Monday night.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 23, 2017, 03:15:04 AM
Mavs won
 
Jazz won

Lakers lost

Kings won


Great day for the lakers pick
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 23, 2017, 03:15:46 AM
Sucks that our winning streak ended.

BUT...

LAKERS LOSE TO THE KINGS TONIGHT IN BLOWOUT!  ;D

The Lakers are also about to enter a pretty ROUGH stretch of games from now until early January. Hope they lose as many as possible while other teams "catch up" to their win total lol.

Their next game vs Clippers on Monday night.
cant wait. Clips are anxious to stop their losing streak
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: TheSundanceKid on November 23, 2017, 04:00:23 AM
Anybody that thinks we have a chance in hell in getting that pick this year is delusional. 18 games in and Lakers would be 8th seed now. OKC in lottery! haha...Is Carmelo cursed? Here is hoping Sac sucks next year.
We aren't expecting them to be the worst team in the league... In fact that would be bad for us. There are clearly some very bad teams this year but LAL is defintely in that bottom 6-7 teams.

The drama is building, the schedule is turning, let's revisit next month before we get downhearted.
Being the worst team in the league gives us a 75% chance of getting a pick that would be no worse that #4.  How is that bad for us?
You are right, I was looking at only the negative side of 25% shot at #1.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Celts Fan 508 on November 23, 2017, 07:14:43 AM
Sucks that our winning streak ended.

BUT...

LAKERS LOSE TO THE KINGS TONIGHT IN BLOWOUT!  ;D

The Lakers are also about to enter a pretty ROUGH stretch of games from now until early January. Hope they lose as many as possible while other teams "catch up" to their win total lol.

Their next game vs Clippers on Monday night.
cant wait. Clips are anxious to stop their losing streak

Their losing streak is over already
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 25, 2017, 02:27:28 AM
Not the best day in the world for the pick

Suns, bulls, and nets lost
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 25, 2017, 10:24:41 PM
decent day for pick. mavs about to beat thunder, hawks lost but kings beating clips so far, jazz close with bucks and pels close with warriors

if jazz can pull away with the win theyll move above the lakers

we need orlando, memphis, hornet, and clippers to eventually get a groove and start winning some games. orlando is in a 8 game losing streak and have pushed the lakers up to 11th worst.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: JBcat on November 26, 2017, 09:21:25 AM
Things are looking a little more promising lately.  Mavs have won 3 of 4, and almost beat us.  The Kings 2 and 3 the last 5 games and almost won last game.  Both 3 games back in the loss column to the Lakers, and the Lakers schedule is about to get very tough for a while.  The Grizzlies, Clippers, and Suns only a game back, and the Nets 2 games back.  The Clippers should should leapfrog the Lakers at some point, and the Grizzlies and Nets will get Conley JR and Russell back at some point.

In a way it will be good if several teams are bunched up close in wins total for a while.  It would make it that much harder for teams to tank.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticSooner on November 28, 2017, 01:03:00 AM
Lakers now 8-12. They only get the Warriors next who are coming off a loss to the Kings.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 28, 2017, 01:13:21 AM
Clips and kings won. Good stuff. Lakers lose.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 28, 2017, 01:13:42 AM
Lakers now 8-12. They only get the Warriors next who are coming off a loss to the Kings.
warriors are gonna be hungry for that win now
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 28, 2017, 01:18:32 AM
Things are looking a little more promising lately.  Mavs have won 3 of 4, and almost beat us.  The Kings 2 and 3 the last 5 games and almost won last game.  Both 3 games back in the loss column to the Lakers, and the Lakers schedule is about to get very tough for a while.  The Grizzlies, Clippers, and Suns only a game back, and the Nets 2 games back.  The Clippers should should leapfrog the Lakers at some point, and the Grizzlies and Nets will get Conley JR and Russell back at some point.

In a way it will be good if several teams are bunched up close in wins total for a while.  It would make it that much harder for teams to tank.
also don’t forget the jazz with her Gobert back soon to certify they’ll be ahead as well
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: SCeltic34 on November 28, 2017, 01:19:17 AM
The Clippers were fortunate to win that game.  Griffin goes down with an injury, but on top of that it was just a bunch of Austin Rivers and Lou Williams iso plays in the 4th.  Just goes to show you how bad the Lakers can be, because there's little reason why the Clippers should have put up that many 4th quarter points.  Iso ball with everyone else standing around seems to be Doc's preferred 4th quarter play.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on November 28, 2017, 01:19:58 AM
Pretty cool that kings stole that win!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on November 28, 2017, 08:08:02 AM
Pretty cool that kings stole that win!
More of a gift from GSW by sitting KD and Curry.  If I was a Kings fan, I wouldn't be happy about getting the meaningless win. 
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: hwangjini_1 on November 28, 2017, 09:59:40 AM
i suspect that kings fans are happy with any sort of win.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: RunningTheFloor on November 28, 2017, 01:17:04 PM
Good news.  It's going to be a tough month or so for the Lakers. 

From now through the end of December (15 games), their opponent win pct. is .622.  During this span, they play just three games against teams under .500, 11 against teams over .500 and 1 at .500.  They have to play both the Warriors and Rockets 3 times each.

If they get 5 wins over that stretch, I'd be impressed.

For perspective, their opponents win pct. is .476 so far this year.  They played 10 games vs. sub .500 teams, nine vs. above .500 teams, and one vs. a .500 team. 

(In truth, I dove into these numbers because it seemed like they were always playing bad teams, so I was actually disappointed to see a relatively even split; probably means their schedule in January/February should be much easier.)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on November 28, 2017, 01:24:41 PM
Pretty cool that kings stole that win!
More of a gift from GSW by sitting KD and Curry.  If I was a Kings fan, I wouldn't be happy about getting the meaningless win.

They still had Klay Thompson and Draymond playing and were 13 point underdogs. It was a big win regardless. Especially given the big brother laughingstock brother relationship the two teams have (the stadiums are like 1.5-2hrs apart) this is a pretty weird take to make. Sometimes I feel like you just try to be contrarian without even putting any thought into it.

Edit: I just checked over on sactown royalty and most fans are extremely happy with a few fans vaguely referencing the tank out of hundreds of posts. This may be my favorite post on it
 "I want to kick Warriors fans in their gentrified balls and push their children down into puddles.
Beating them on their home court gives me a fuzzy warm feeling"

I'll add if If you are a team of a fan that beats your neighboring team and defending champ on their homecourt as double digit underdogs because your young prospects play exceptionally well in a game in November and you can't enjoy it because there is a small chance it hurts your tank, it is probably time to not follow the team for a few years. 
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on November 28, 2017, 01:28:32 PM
i suspect that kings fans are happy with any sort of win.

The kings are a complete laughingstock of a franchise and their fans are generally disgusted with many many aspects of their team. It is possible a few of the young players on the team now (Hield, Fox, Mason, Skal perhaps Giles if his knees regrow) could end up being pretty good players. That being said, even in a season of openly rooting for tanking, the majority of fans are going to be very happy beating the gold standard franchise that has a stadium 2 hours away from them on their homecourt. It is certainly less insane winning their without KD and Curry (which would have been biggest upset of season), however, it stills ranks as one of the top 5 upsets of the season even with just the two all-stars. 
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: trickybilly on November 28, 2017, 01:47:50 PM
Pretty cool that kings stole that win!

Cool for us. Much easier to win a chip with homecourt advantage  ;D ;D
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 28, 2017, 10:53:36 PM
Suns won

Will be nice if jazz and kings also win tonight
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 29, 2017, 03:37:14 AM
Jazz won

A lot of action tomorrow regarding the pick. Tomorrow we will need:

Lakers to lose to warriors
Magic to beat OKC (but it’s ok if okc wins too)
Grizz to beat spurs
Suns to beat pistons (suns coming off a win vs Bulls)
Hornets to beat raptors
Nets to beat mavs (ok if mavs win though)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: JBcat on November 29, 2017, 07:52:38 AM
Jazz won

A lot of action tomorrow regarding the pick. Tomorrow we will need:

Lakers to lose to warriors
Magic to beat OKC (but it’s ok if okc wins too)
Grizz to beat spurs
Suns to beat pistons (suns coming off a win vs Bulls)
Hornets to beat raptors
Nets to beat mavs (ok if mavs win though)

I’d rather the Mavs win. I have faith the Nets will pull ahead of the Lakers.  Another win for the Mavs gives them more of a slight hope of the playoffs, and they aren’t a team that usually tanks on purpose.  They have actually been playing well lately.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on November 29, 2017, 12:09:56 PM
With a BRUTAL stretch coming up for LAL, there's a good chance they could be 5th worst in league.

Suns won yesterday (though Bulls lost), so they are at 8 wins (same as LAL).

I think Grizzlies, Thunder, Clippers, even Nets could pull a little ahead soon.

So Mavs, Bulls, Hawks and Kings would be worse than LAL, unless one or two of those teams go on a hot stretch soon (go Hawks!). Does being 5th worst increase our odds at 2-5 or not?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: saltlover on November 29, 2017, 12:17:56 PM
With a BRUTAL stretch coming up for LAL, there's a good chance they could be 5th worst in league.

Suns won yesterday (though Bulls lost), so they are at 8 wins (same as LAL).

I think Grizzlies, Thunder, Clippers, even Nets could pull a little ahead soon.

So Mavs, Bulls, Hawks and Kings would be worse than LAL, unless one or two of those teams go on a hot stretch soon (go Hawks!). Does being 5th worst increase our odds at 2-5 or not?

The biggest jump in odds is going from 6th to 5th.  The next biggest is from 5th to 4th, which also gets from below 50% to over 70%.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: JBcat on November 29, 2017, 04:49:32 PM
We need the Grizzlies and Clippers to stay afloat until they get their injured players back, and don’t go for an all out tank.  It will be interesting to see if management for both teams trade some of their players for a rebuild or not. 

In the meantime hopefully the Mavs and Kings join the clutter from like the 7th seed down, making it harder to go in for the tank.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on November 29, 2017, 05:54:37 PM
We need the Grizzlies and Clippers to stay afloat until they get their injured players back, and don’t go for an all out tank.  It will be interesting to see if management for both teams trade some of their players for a rebuild or not. 

In the meantime hopefully the Mavs and Kings join the clutter from like the 7th seed down, making it harder to go in for the tank.
The Clippers worry me. Pat Beverly is already done for the season and they've had a bad start to the year. Now they'll be withouth thier best player for a while and there are rumblings that DJ might be on the block. If they decide this is a lost season that could complicate the bottom of the West.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: saltlover on November 29, 2017, 06:36:30 PM
We need the Grizzlies and Clippers to stay afloat until they get their injured players back, and don’t go for an all out tank.  It will be interesting to see if management for both teams trade some of their players for a rebuild or not. 

In the meantime hopefully the Mavs and Kings join the clutter from like the 7th seed down, making it harder to go in for the tank.
The Clippers worry me. Pat Beverly is already done for the season and they've had a bad start to the year. Now they'll be withouth thier best player for a while and there are rumblings that DJ might be on the block. If they decide this is a lost season that could complicate the bottom of the West.

I’m not too worried about the Clippers.  Doc could be on the hot seat, and thus has no incentive to tank.  Gallinari is due back next week, and Teodosic a couple of weeks later.  Given the Clippers’ long-term contract situation, as well as the dearth of young players worth developing in tanking mode, I think they’ll try to keep competing certainly into early March, and probably until they have no playoff hopes.  Maybe they’ll move DJ — Gallo at the 4 and Blake at the 5 might make more sense for them long-term anyway.  But barring reinjuries or extended recoveries to Teodosic, Gallo, and Blake, we won’t see a pure tank from them, and ultimately they have too much talent to fall below the Lakers.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on November 29, 2017, 07:18:47 PM
We need the Grizzlies and Clippers to stay afloat until they get their injured players back, and don’t go for an all out tank.  It will be interesting to see if management for both teams trade some of their players for a rebuild or not. 

In the meantime hopefully the Mavs and Kings join the clutter from like the 7th seed down, making it harder to go in for the tank.
The Clippers worry me. Pat Beverly is already done for the season and they've had a bad start to the year. Now they'll be withouth thier best player for a while and there are rumblings that DJ might be on the block. If they decide this is a lost season that could complicate the bottom of the West.

I’m not too worried about the Clippers.  Doc could be on the hot seat, and thus has no incentive to tank.  Gallinari is due back next week, and Teodosic a couple of weeks later.  Given the Clippers’ long-term contract situation, as well as the dearth of young players worth developing in tanking mode, I think they’ll try to keep competing certainly into early March, and probably until they have no playoff hopes.  Maybe they’ll move DJ — Gallo at the 4 and Blake at the 5 might make more sense for them long-term anyway.  But barring reinjuries or extended recoveries to Teodosic, Gallo, and Blake, we won’t see a pure tank from them, and ultimately they have too much talent to fall below the Lakers.

I'm thinking that doc may just want to retire or take a break. Even if everything broke right for them they obviously can't contend for a title. Isn't that why he wanted to leave here?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on November 29, 2017, 09:20:14 PM
Magic beating Thunder, and Nets-Mavs game going on (win-win for us, though prefer Mavericks squeeze out the win - but still, benefits us either way).

Now just hope Warriors SMACK the Lakers tonight!  8)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 29, 2017, 11:14:44 PM
Warriors bench holding down the fort so far

Warriors have 9 pt lead in the 2nd q
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: MattyIce on November 29, 2017, 11:34:45 PM
Warriors bench holding down the fort so far

Warriors have 9 pt lead in the 2nd q

and now lakers have the lead:(
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 30, 2017, 12:02:48 AM
Steph curry is really lagging in production tonighbut
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: MattyIce on November 30, 2017, 12:07:26 AM
are they even trying?  don't they know our pick is relying on them?!?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticSooner on November 30, 2017, 12:20:13 AM
GS has really looked very pedestrian this season.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: MattyIce on November 30, 2017, 12:46:39 AM
GS are sleep walking
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: SparzWizard on November 30, 2017, 12:52:15 AM
Makes our win against the Warriors just casual. Because it's like...anyone can beat the Warriors.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: SparzWizard on November 30, 2017, 12:53:23 AM
Man that Julius Randle kid can ball.  8)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticSooner on November 30, 2017, 12:56:21 AM
Remember when Curry had people convinced he was the best player in the world for 5 months?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: saltlover on November 30, 2017, 12:57:37 AM
GS has really looked very pedestrian this season.

If by pedestrian you mean that they have a better scoring margin this season than they did in either of their title years or their 73-win season, then sure, it’s pedestrian.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on November 30, 2017, 12:59:45 AM
Curry just drained two in a row...  :)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticSooner on November 30, 2017, 01:04:14 AM
GS has really looked very pedestrian this season.

If by pedestrian you mean that they have a better scoring margin this season than they did in either of their title years or their 73-win season, then sure, it’s pedestrian.

This game shouldn't even be close. To have 6 losses already tells me they don't care enough right now.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on November 30, 2017, 01:14:57 AM
Game over!!!  ;D
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 30, 2017, 01:29:26 AM
Thanks warriors . You did your job.
Lakers officially fall from like 9th or 10th worst to 7th worst

Play the tankathon and see us get the 2/3 pick every 10 spins. Yesterday it would have taken 40 spins


http://www.tankathon.com
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: chilidawg on November 30, 2017, 01:44:30 AM
Remember when Curry had people convinced he was the best player in the world for 5 months?

Yup.  Pretty easy to argue that he was.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on November 30, 2017, 08:00:03 AM
Remember when Curry had people convinced he was the best player in the world for 5 months?

Yup.  Pretty easy to argue that he was.
5 months? He won back-to-back MVP's so it was a little longer than that.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 30, 2017, 10:00:49 PM
Bulls up 9 on the Nuggets. Bulls can’t let this lead slip like they always do

Golden State says Stephen Curry (right hand contusion), Kevin Durant (sprained left ankle), Andre Iguodala (sore left knee), Klay Thompson (sprained left ankle) and David West (left lateral knee soreness) are questionable tomorrow against Orlando.


If Orlando can squeak out a win, that would be nice.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 30, 2017, 10:04:27 PM
Golden State says Stephen Curry (right hand contusion), Kevin Durant (sprained left ankle), Andre Iguodala (sore left knee), Klay Thompson (sprained left ankle) and David West (left lateral knee soreness) are questionable tomorrow against Orlando.


If Orlando can squeak out a win, that would be nice.

50-50 chance ......second unit warriors > orlando
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 30, 2017, 10:07:06 PM
Golden State says Stephen Curry (right hand contusion), Kevin Durant (sprained left ankle), Andre Iguodala (sore left knee), Klay Thompson (sprained left ankle) and David West (left lateral knee soreness) are questionable tomorrow against Orlando.


If Orlando can squeak out a win, that would be nice.

50-50 chance ......second unit warriors > orlando
true but Aaron  Gordon has had beastly games this season
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 30, 2017, 11:48:46 PM
Bulls lost by 1.


We need clippers to win would be nice
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on November 30, 2017, 11:53:50 PM
Tomorrow will be eventful. In order of jmportance, We need:

Magic to beat warriors
Grizz to beat spurs
Thunder to beat wolves
Hornets to beat heat
Kings  To beat bulls (either win is ok though)
Jazz to beat pelicans (either win is kind of ok)


It’s pretty interesting that because of the protection of the pick, we have to root for all these teams haha
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 02, 2017, 12:45:28 AM
Grizz, magic, and hornets lost and failed us


The thunder did well though
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: trickybilly on December 02, 2017, 01:11:40 AM
Grizz, magic, and hornets lost and failed us


The thunder did well though

Hornets will be fine. That game is a push for the pick.

Grizz need to start winning ASAP though. Moreso for the 20119 Memphis pick, as Memphis will look to trade both guys at the deadline if they are still struggling.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: moiso on December 02, 2017, 04:35:48 AM
Grizz, magic, and hornets lost and failed us


The thunder did well though

Hornets will be fine. That game is a push for the pick.

Grizz need to start winning ASAP though. Moreso for the 20119 Memphis pick, as Memphis will look to trade both guys at the deadline if they are still struggling.
They "might" look to trade those guys and blow it up.  They also might not.  They haven't really blown a team up since they traded Pau to the Lakers.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: gouki88 on December 02, 2017, 04:37:03 AM
Grizz, magic, and hornets lost and failed us


The thunder did well though

Hornets will be fine. That game is a push for the pick.

Grizz need to start winning ASAP though. Moreso for the 20119 Memphis pick, as Memphis will look to trade both guys at the deadline if they are still struggling.
Who is going to / is able to take Conley and that contract without ripping off Memphis.

Also no way in hell do they look to trade their best ever player. Not unless they get blown away
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: JBcat on December 02, 2017, 06:38:28 PM
Not looking good tonight with Jokic, Millsap, and Chandler out for the Nuggets.  Good day so far though with the Mavs winning, and I guess the Hawks beating the Nets (not too worried as I think the Nets will finish ahead of the Lakers).   

There are several teams (9 total) bunched up in the 7 to 9 win category with hopefully the Mavs and maybe Hawks closing in.  That will make it harder for teams to outright tank. 
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on December 02, 2017, 06:43:37 PM
Grizz, magic, and hornets lost and failed us


The thunder did well though

Hornets will be fine. That game is a push for the pick.

Grizz need to start winning ASAP though. Moreso for the 20119 Memphis pick, as Memphis will look to trade both guys at the deadline if they are still struggling.
Who is going to / is able to take Conley and that contract without ripping off Memphis.

Also no way in hell do they look to trade their best ever player. Not unless they get blown away

Who knows with Chris Wallace :D
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on December 02, 2017, 08:05:19 PM
Hawks beat the Nets, push their win total to 5.

Mavericks also win (beating the Clippers), and their win total is up to 6.

Grizzlies right now up on the Cavs, hopefully they can miraculously pull that off.

I think the Hawks and Suns are actually not extremely horrible teams, just been a bit unlucky some games and haven't been able to close out some games. They are bad, but not super bad IMHO.

Either way, would be nice if DAL and ATL could start pulling out some more wins in the coming month. LAL are in the midst of a brutal schedule and the other teams (like Suns, Nets, Mavericks, Clippers, Hawks, Grizzlies, Magic) can take advantage.

Though honestly, I've given up on the Bulls. They are clearly destined for the #1 pick/worse record in league (which is fine, since we wouldn't get #1 anyways if LAL were the worst in the league - would convey to PHI). Bulls just look historically awful.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: bopna on December 02, 2017, 08:41:16 PM
The Fakers will never be the worst in the league...they have a bunch of upcoming players so id expect them yo lose a lot of close ones and will be in that 4th to 8th worst when all is said and done...their only hope is then the luck of the pingpong balls to grab the top...im hoping they luck out on a top 3 pick...not including 1st ofcourse.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on December 02, 2017, 10:08:48 PM
The Fakers will never be the worst in the league...they have a bunch of upcoming players so id expect them yo lose a lot of close ones and will be in that 4th to 8th worst when all is said and done...their only hope is then the luck of the pingpong balls to grab the top...im hoping they luck out on a top 3 pick...not including 1st ofcourse.
Don't know why you are talking about the Lakers only hope.  The Lakers pick either goes to us or the Sixers.  We get it if it ends up 2-5 and the Sixers get it if it is 1 or 6-30.   
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on December 02, 2017, 11:24:38 PM
Tuned in just in time for a Lonzo airball. Now an offensive foul and personal foul on consecutive possessions.  :)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on December 02, 2017, 11:27:06 PM
Man, Lakers really blew this at the end. With three starters out, including their two best players, we dodged a bullet on this one!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: SCeltic34 on December 02, 2017, 11:35:15 PM
Tuned in just in time for a Lonzo airball. Now an offensive foul and personal foul on consecutive possessions.  :)

Yeah I tuned in towards the end too, just in time to watch the Lakers collapse and end up losing by double digits after being tied in the later minutes of the 4th.

Pretty classless move by Jamal Murray to showboat dribble around Lonzo as the game ended. 
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: saltlover on December 02, 2017, 11:36:09 PM
Man, Lakers really blew this at the end. With three starters out, including their two best players, we dodged a bullet on this one!

Nuggets closed on a 21-2 run, with the Lakers scoring two points over nearly the last 6 minutes of the game.  And as noted, no Jokic or Millsap for the Nuggets.  Games like this are why multiple times in this thread I've called the Lakers a 25-win team.  I don't know if 25 wins will be as bad as we need them to be to get their pick, but we should have a good chance.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: hpantazo on December 02, 2017, 11:36:39 PM
Tuned in just in time for a Lonzo airball. Now an offensive foul and personal foul on consecutive possessions.  :)

Yeah I tuned in towards the end too, just in time to watch the Lakers collapse and end up losing by double digits after being tied in the later minutes of the 4th.

Pretty classless move by Jamal Murray to showboat dribble around Lonzo as the game ended.


Lavar and the Lakers media generated so much hype for Lonzo, the hate around the league is to be expected.

Plus, I find some of the newfound sincere conflicts around the league refreshing in an era where rivalries were almost extinct due to everyone caring about their brand and wanting to be friends.

I love Embiid taunting Drummond tonight when he got him to foul out.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: jdz101 on December 02, 2017, 11:45:36 PM
Now begins the month of death for the Lakers.

Strap in boys, this thread is about to get legit.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: trickybilly on December 03, 2017, 12:32:57 AM
The Fakers will never be the worst in the league...they have a bunch of upcoming players so id expect them yo lose a lot of close ones and will be in that 4th to 8th worst when all is said and done...their only hope is then the luck of the pingpong balls to grab the top...im hoping they luck out on a top 3 pick...not including 1st ofcourse.
Don't know why you are talking about the Lakers only hope.  The Lakers pick either goes to us or the Sixers.  We get it if it ends up 2-5 and the Sixers get it if it is 1 or 6-30.   

Someone in the media misunderstood that aswell the other day. Seems like a common misconception
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: trickybilly on December 03, 2017, 12:43:37 AM
Now begins the month of death for the Lakers.

Strap in boys, this thread is about to get legit.

They could very easily be 8-27 by New Years Day.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: hwangjini_1 on December 03, 2017, 02:19:32 AM
Tuned in just in time for a Lonzo airball. Now an offensive foul and personal foul on consecutive possessions.  :)

Yeah I tuned in towards the end too, just in time to watch the Lakers collapse and end up losing by double digits after being tied in the later minutes of the 4th.

Pretty classless move by Jamal Murray to showboat dribble around Lonzo as the game ended.
however, ball did manage to get another triple single tonight.  ;D

but what is interesting is that he averages only 1.4 free throws per game so far. and only had 4 in his last 7 games....and is shooting 47% for the season.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: JBcat on December 03, 2017, 02:31:44 AM
The Lakers are a strange team to me.   Lopez seems under utilized for being a top scoring center, and a guy picked the end of the first round in Kuzma is averaging 16 a game.

Side note I wanted to sign Bogut in the off-season.  So glad we didn’t.  He looks like he might be cooked.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: SparzWizard on December 03, 2017, 02:45:29 AM
I have a lot of friends who are Lakers fans since I do live in LA. They really love Kyle Kuzma more than Lonzo Ball. And they wish Lonzo Ball was gone, along with his loudmouth dad.  ;D 8)

And yes, they are jealous of Jayson Tatum. And they are also mostly Team Kyrie more than Team LeBron, because in their minds, Kyrie got that #MambaMentality lol!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 03, 2017, 02:57:53 AM
http://www.tankathon.com

Lakers are back to 7th worst team. Looking much better as the bad teams with records worse than lakers  got some wins. If they can continue, then the lakers are in trouble
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on December 03, 2017, 08:09:51 AM
http://www.tankathon.com

Lakers are back to 7th worst team. Looking much better as the bad teams with records worse than lakers  got some wins. If they can continue, then the lakers are in trouble
Why are the Lakers in trouble?  They were never going to make the playoffs.  Pretty much everyone had them 10th or 11th worst in the West which is where they are likely to finish.  With the Clippers and Grizzlies injuries, they may end up doing a bit better. 
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: jambr380 on December 03, 2017, 08:23:14 AM
http://www.tankathon.com

Lakers are back to 7th worst team. Looking much better as the bad teams with records worse than lakers  got some wins. If they can continue, then the lakers are in trouble
Why are the Lakers in trouble?  They were never going to make the playoffs.  Pretty much everyone had them 10th or 11th worst in the West which is where they are likely to finish.  With the Clippers and Grizzlies injuries, they may end up doing a bit better.

They are in trouble because, barring a huge FA splash (yes Lebron and PG would make a difference), this is really it for them. They have young players that they hope continue to improve, but they don't have their pick this year and probably won't have another high pick for years to come. They have basically been on the same trajectory as the Cs with their draft pick selections, but don't have Kyrie, Horford, and Hayward.

Also, having the Lakers finish at 10th or 11th is a pretty optimistic view of their situation (apparently you think 12th/13th is a possibility with the Clips and Grizz faltering). They should get pummeled in December and hopefully fall back into the bottom 5 range. If not, it's not the end of the world; Cs fans just want to see the Lakers do poorly - with or without the pick conveying.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on December 03, 2017, 08:59:58 AM
http://www.tankathon.com

Lakers are back to 7th worst team. Looking much better as the bad teams with records worse than lakers  got some wins. If they can continue, then the lakers are in trouble
Why are the Lakers in trouble?  They were never going to make the playoffs.  Pretty much everyone had them 10th or 11th worst in the West which is where they are likely to finish.  With the Clippers and Grizzlies injuries, they may end up doing a bit better.

They are in trouble because, barring a huge FA splash (yes Lebron and PG would make a difference), this is really it for them. They have young players that they hope continue to improve, but they don't have their pick this year and probably won't have another high pick for years to come. They have basically been on the same trajectory as the Cs with their draft pick selections, but don't have Kyrie, Horford, and Hayward.

Also, having the Lakers finish at 10th or 11th is a pretty optimistic view of their situation (apparently you think 12th/13th is a possibility with the Clips and Grizz faltering). They should get pummeled in December and hopefully fall back into the bottom 5 range. If not, it's not the end of the world; Cs fans just want to see the Lakers do poorly - with or without the pick conveying.
Actually I bungled that.  Kings and Suns should finish below them in the West.  Good chance the Mavs and Clips will as well.  Possibly the Grizz depending on Conley's situation. 

Don't know why people focus on Lakers having a tough December.  Schedules balance out.  Where the Lakers finish is predominantly going to be determined by how they play against the other bad teams. 

The Lakers last 4 picks have been 7th, 2nd, 2nd and 2nd.  2nd again this year would be really nice for us.  If the Lakers don't sign a couple big time free agents in the offseason, they're most likely going to be a bottom 10 team again in 2018/19 and the new lottery odds will be in affect for the 2019 draft. 
   
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: cman88 on December 03, 2017, 09:16:48 AM
just have to keep our fingers crossed we get a pick between 2-5. the lakers havent even played the tough teams out west yet.

if not, the kings look absolutely abysmal...so we should get a high pick in the following years draft if not this one
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: jambr380 on December 03, 2017, 09:29:25 AM
http://www.tankathon.com

Lakers are back to 7th worst team. Looking much better as the bad teams with records worse than lakers  got some wins. If they can continue, then the lakers are in trouble
Why are the Lakers in trouble?  They were never going to make the playoffs.  Pretty much everyone had them 10th or 11th worst in the West which is where they are likely to finish.  With the Clippers and Grizzlies injuries, they may end up doing a bit better.

They are in trouble because, barring a huge FA splash (yes Lebron and PG would make a difference), this is really it for them. They have young players that they hope continue to improve, but they don't have their pick this year and probably won't have another high pick for years to come. They have basically been on the same trajectory as the Cs with their draft pick selections, but don't have Kyrie, Horford, and Hayward.

Also, having the Lakers finish at 10th or 11th is a pretty optimistic view of their situation (apparently you think 12th/13th is a possibility with the Clips and Grizz faltering). They should get pummeled in December and hopefully fall back into the bottom 5 range. If not, it's not the end of the world; Cs fans just want to see the Lakers do poorly - with or without the pick conveying.
Actually I bungled that.  Kings and Suns should finish below them in the West.  Good chance the Mavs and Clips will as well.  Possibly the Grizz depending on Conley's situation. 

Don't know why people focus on Lakers having a tough December.  Schedules balance out.  Where the Lakers finish is predominantly going to be determined by how they play against the other bad teams. 

The Lakers last 4 picks have been 7th, 2nd, 2nd and 2nd.  2nd again this year would be really nice for us.  If the Lakers don't sign a couple big time free agents in the offseason, they're most likely going to be a bottom 10 team again in 2018/19 and the new lottery odds will be in affect for the 2019 draft.   

Actually, my bad - I thought you said they would be the 10th-13th worst team overall (meaning pick would be 10th-13th), not their actual ranking in the WC.

Either way, I think we all want the Lakers to be horrible for many years to come - it doesn't matter how they go about doing it  ;)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on December 03, 2017, 08:34:07 PM
Magic win, Thunder up on the Spurs, and Clippers in a close one with the T-Wolves.

Hopefully Thunder and Clippers can win tonight.

Then hope the Rockets spank the Lakers tonight!  :laugh:
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 03, 2017, 08:55:34 PM
Good Job to the magic for pulling off the win. These scrappy teams hopefully surprise us with more wins

Can't wait to see the rockets do damage
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 03, 2017, 09:41:02 PM
Doc rivers fails us and loses again
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 03, 2017, 09:49:47 PM
http://www.tankathon.com

Lakers are back to 7th worst team. Looking much better as the bad teams with records worse than lakers  got some wins. If they can continue, then the lakers are in trouble
Why are the Lakers in trouble?  They were never going to make the playoffs.  Pretty much everyone had them 10th or 11th worst in the West which is where they are likely to finish.  With the Clippers and Grizzlies injuries, they may end up doing a bit better.

They are in trouble because, barring a huge FA splash (yes Lebron and PG would make a difference), this is really it for them. They have young players that they hope continue to improve, but they don't have their pick this year and probably won't have another high pick for years to come. They have basically been on the same trajectory as the Cs with their draft pick selections, but don't have Kyrie, Horford, and Hayward.

Also, having the Lakers finish at 10th or 11th is a pretty optimistic view of their situation (apparently you think 12th/13th is a possibility with the Clips and Grizz faltering). They should get pummeled in December and hopefully fall back into the bottom 5 range. If not, it's not the end of the world; Cs fans just want to see the Lakers do poorly - with or without the pick conveying.
Actually I bungled that.  Kings and Suns should finish below them in the West.  Good chance the Mavs and Clips will as well.  Possibly the Grizz depending on Conley's situation. 

Don't know why people focus on Lakers having a tough December.  Schedules balance out.  Where the Lakers finish is predominantly going to be determined by how they play against the other bad teams. 

The Lakers last 4 picks have been 7th, 2nd, 2nd and 2nd.  2nd again this year would be really nice for us.  If the Lakers don't sign a couple big time free agents in the offseason, they're most likely going to be a bottom 10 team again in 2018/19 and the new lottery odds will be in affect for the 2019 draft. 
 
also Lakers are In trouble because they cashed in Russell and thought brook "lottery team" Lopez was Getting them to the playoffs. Here's the kicker- nets have a better record right now than the Lakers. Nets are winning with addition by subtraction
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on December 03, 2017, 10:17:35 PM
http://www.tankathon.com

Lakers are back to 7th worst team. Looking much better as the bad teams with records worse than lakers  got some wins. If they can continue, then the lakers are in trouble
Why are the Lakers in trouble?  They were never going to make the playoffs.  Pretty much everyone had them 10th or 11th worst in the West which is where they are likely to finish.  With the Clippers and Grizzlies injuries, they may end up doing a bit better.

They are in trouble because, barring a huge FA splash (yes Lebron and PG would make a difference), this is really it for them. They have young players that they hope continue to improve, but they don't have their pick this year and probably won't have another high pick for years to come. They have basically been on the same trajectory as the Cs with their draft pick selections, but don't have Kyrie, Horford, and Hayward.

Also, having the Lakers finish at 10th or 11th is a pretty optimistic view of their situation (apparently you think 12th/13th is a possibility with the Clips and Grizz faltering). They should get pummeled in December and hopefully fall back into the bottom 5 range. If not, it's not the end of the world; Cs fans just want to see the Lakers do poorly - with or without the pick conveying.
Actually I bungled that.  Kings and Suns should finish below them in the West.  Good chance the Mavs and Clips will as well.  Possibly the Grizz depending on Conley's situation. 

Don't know why people focus on Lakers having a tough December.  Schedules balance out.  Where the Lakers finish is predominantly going to be determined by how they play against the other bad teams. 

The Lakers last 4 picks have been 7th, 2nd, 2nd and 2nd.  2nd again this year would be really nice for us.  If the Lakers don't sign a couple big time free agents in the offseason, they're most likely going to be a bottom 10 team again in 2018/19 and the new lottery odds will be in affect for the 2019 draft. 
 
also Lakers are In trouble because they cashed in Russell and thought brook "lottery team" Lopez was Getting them to the playoffs. Here's the kicker- nets have a better record right now than the Lakers. Nets are winning with addition by subtraction

I believe that the trade was a salary dump. Lopez is not in the Lakers plans. They did get lucky with Kuzma who looks like a keeper.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: tazzmaniac on December 03, 2017, 10:17:43 PM
http://www.tankathon.com

Lakers are back to 7th worst team. Looking much better as the bad teams with records worse than lakers  got some wins. If they can continue, then the lakers are in trouble
Why are the Lakers in trouble?  They were never going to make the playoffs.  Pretty much everyone had them 10th or 11th worst in the West which is where they are likely to finish.  With the Clippers and Grizzlies injuries, they may end up doing a bit better.

They are in trouble because, barring a huge FA splash (yes Lebron and PG would make a difference), this is really it for them. They have young players that they hope continue to improve, but they don't have their pick this year and probably won't have another high pick for years to come. They have basically been on the same trajectory as the Cs with their draft pick selections, but don't have Kyrie, Horford, and Hayward.

Also, having the Lakers finish at 10th or 11th is a pretty optimistic view of their situation (apparently you think 12th/13th is a possibility with the Clips and Grizz faltering). They should get pummeled in December and hopefully fall back into the bottom 5 range. If not, it's not the end of the world; Cs fans just want to see the Lakers do poorly - with or without the pick conveying.
Actually I bungled that.  Kings and Suns should finish below them in the West.  Good chance the Mavs and Clips will as well.  Possibly the Grizz depending on Conley's situation. 

Don't know why people focus on Lakers having a tough December.  Schedules balance out.  Where the Lakers finish is predominantly going to be determined by how they play against the other bad teams. 

The Lakers last 4 picks have been 7th, 2nd, 2nd and 2nd.  2nd again this year would be really nice for us.  If the Lakers don't sign a couple big time free agents in the offseason, they're most likely going to be a bottom 10 team again in 2018/19 and the new lottery odds will be in affect for the 2019 draft. 
 
also Lakers are In trouble because they cashed in Russell and thought brook "lottery team" Lopez was Getting them to the playoffs. Here's the kicker- nets have a better record right now than the Lakers. Nets are winning with addition by subtraction
The Lakers were always going to be bad this year.  They didn't think Lopez was getting them into the playoffs.  That was a pure salary dump trade to get rid of the lousy Mozgov contract.  Russell was the cost to get the trade done but they were fine with that because they knew they were drafting Ball.  The Nets and Lakers have the same record and one of those additions by subtraction is Russell. 

I really don't expect them to be much better next season.  Magic would need to pull off some real magic to get two top tier free agents. 
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: trickybilly on December 04, 2017, 12:14:42 AM
Poor Lonzo looked absolutely terrible tonight. Genuinely feel for the guy..

#lakerspick
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Sophomore on December 04, 2017, 01:08:45 AM
Lakers are 7th from the basement just now - and only one game better than the 4th-worst Kings.

I find it hard to believe they’ll fall past the Kings but if they  did finish 4th from the bottom the. according to tankapaloosa there’s be a better than 70% chance of the pick falling 2-5. OTOH, if they stay on 7th it’s about 10%. That’s how much a few more wins or lossss can make.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Jiri Welsch on December 04, 2017, 02:00:54 AM
Lakers are 7th from the basement just now - and only one game better than the 4th-worst Kings.

I find it hard to believe they’ll fall past the Kings but if they  did finish 4th from the bottom the. according to tankapaloosa there’s be a better than 70% chance of the pick falling 2-5. OTOH, if they stay on 7th it’s about 10%. That’s how much a few more wins or lossss can make.

I can see the Kings passing the Lakers at some point. Gotta believe this next month of doom will get to LAL!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: gouki88 on December 04, 2017, 02:20:46 AM
Poor Lonzo looked absolutely terrible tonight. Genuinely feel for the guy..

#lakerspick
I don't ;D
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: The One on December 04, 2017, 09:04:50 AM
WooHoo!

They currently have a 51.2% chance of being in the top 6!!

https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/proj_draft.html


And this is who they play this week:
Thu, Dec 7, 2017   8:00p ET         @   Philadelphia 76ers                  
Sat, Dec 9, 2017   7:00p ET         @   Charlotte Hornets                     
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: chilidawg on December 04, 2017, 09:26:47 AM
Unfortunately we want to be 2-5, and the odds of that right now are 26%.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on December 04, 2017, 09:27:47 AM
Unfortunately we want to be 2-5, and the odds of that right now are 26%.

Which is a little higher than our chances of getting the #1 pick in 2017 were  ;)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: The One on December 04, 2017, 12:05:05 PM
Unfortunately we want to be 2-5, and the odds of that right now are 26%.

Hmmm...I think it's 34.3%.

#2 - 1.6%
#3 - 5.2%
#4 - 11.5%
#5 - 16.0%


https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/proj_draft.html
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: chilidawg on December 04, 2017, 12:23:03 PM
Unfortunately we want to be 2-5, and the odds of that right now are 26%.

Hmmm...I think it's 34.3%.

#2 - 1.6%
#3 - 5.2%
#4 - 11.5%
#5 - 16.0%


https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/proj_draft.html

That's pre-lottery odds.  Go down to the next chart and you'll see the odds with the lottery factored in:

6.9, 7.3, 2.6, 9.3 = 26.1. 

It's still early though, not worth getting too worked up about it.  It could change a lot in two weeks.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: chilidawg on December 04, 2017, 12:24:31 PM
Unfortunately we want to be 2-5, and the odds of that right now are 26%.

Which is a little higher than our chances of getting the #1 pick in 2017 were  ;)

So you're saying there's a chance?  ;D
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: The One on December 04, 2017, 05:34:19 PM
Unfortunately we want to be 2-5, and the odds of that right now are 26%.

Hmmm...I think it's 34.3%.

#2 - 1.6%
#3 - 5.2%
#4 - 11.5%
#5 - 16.0%


https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/proj_draft.html

That's pre-lottery odds.  Go down to the next chart and you'll see the odds with the lottery factored in:

6.9, 7.3, 2.6, 9.3 = 26.1. 

It's still early though, not worth getting too worked up about it.  It could change a lot in two weeks.

Oh I see...thanks!

TP to you!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 04, 2017, 10:29:16 PM
Grizzlies, nets, suns, and hornets all won, dropping the Lakers down to 5th worst in NBA. This is all 1 game into The Lakers brutal December schedule lol
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: ETNCeltics on December 04, 2017, 10:45:57 PM
LAL have a tough December, but a relatively easy January and February. Then it toughens up later in the year.

Odds are still against us, but we still have a shot. Adding a talent like Luka or Ayton to this team would be too good to be true.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: green_bballers13 on December 04, 2017, 11:28:22 PM
I would be psyched if we could somehow land Mo Bamba. I think he could contribute immediately off the bench as our longest player. Bagley seems special as well. Hope Porter can recover before the draft for his sake. 
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: ETNCeltics on December 05, 2017, 12:04:21 AM
I would be psyched if we could somehow land Mo Bamba. I think he could contribute immediately off the bench as our longest player. Bagley seems special as well. Hope Porter can recover before the draft for his sake.

Bamba would be a nice consolation prize, but IMO, he's well behind the others in the top 4.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: trickybilly on December 05, 2017, 12:33:57 AM
I would be psyched if we could somehow land Mo Bamba. I think he could contribute immediately off the bench as our longest player. Bagley seems special as well. Hope Porter can recover before the draft for his sake.

I think he is done for the year with an ACL. He very well may easily slide to #5 (or even lower)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: konkmv on December 05, 2017, 12:39:12 AM
It is way too early for the draft.. It is more probable we do not get the pick... so enjoy the ride till then
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: slightly biased bias fan on December 05, 2017, 12:49:10 AM
I would be psyched if we could somehow land Mo Bamba. I think he could contribute immediately off the bench as our longest player. Bagley seems special as well. Hope Porter can recover before the draft for his sake.

I think he is done for the year with an ACL. He very well may easily slide to #5 (or even lower)

Porter actually stated before his injury that he would think about returning for a second year in college if his team didn't make a mark in the NCAA tournament, so there is a major possibility that he doesn't declare for the 2018 draft and considering how weak the 2019 draft looks, he would be a lock for the 1st pick in 2019. I'm sure his agent will gauge interest from teams with top picks next year though.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: slightly biased bias fan on December 05, 2017, 12:54:13 AM
In regards to the Lakers pick this season, the sooner they're mathematically eliminated from making the playoffs the better as I am certain that they will shut down guys like Lopez, KCP and Bogut, in favour for letting their young guys get more experience.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: MattyIce on December 05, 2017, 01:10:30 AM
I would be psyched if we could somehow land Mo Bamba. I think he could contribute immediately off the bench as our longest player. Bagley seems special as well. Hope Porter can recover before the draft for his sake.

I think he is done for the year with an ACL. He very well may easily slide to #5 (or even lower)

Porter actually stated before his injury that he would think about returning for a second year in college if his team didn't make a mark in the NCAA tournament, so there is a major possibility that he doesn't declare for the 2018 draft and considering how weak the 2019 draft looks, he would be a lock for the 1st pick in 2019. I'm sure his agent will gauge interest from teams with top picks next year though.

i sure hope not, that won't help us
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenEnvy on December 05, 2017, 02:14:05 AM
I would be psyched if we could somehow land Mo Bamba. I think he could contribute immediately off the bench as our longest player. Bagley seems special as well. Hope Porter can recover before the draft for his sake.

I think he is done for the year with an ACL. He very well may easily slide to #5 (or even lower)

Porter actually stated before his injury that he would think about returning for a second year in college if his team didn't make a mark in the NCAA tournament, so there is a major possibility that he doesn't declare for the 2018 draft and considering how weak the 2019 draft looks, he would be a lock for the 1st pick in 2019. I'm sure his agent will gauge interest from teams with top picks next year though.

Unless I missed something, I thought once you hire an agent you can’t return to school?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: slightly biased bias fan on December 05, 2017, 03:03:48 AM
I would be psyched if we could somehow land Mo Bamba. I think he could contribute immediately off the bench as our longest player. Bagley seems special as well. Hope Porter can recover before the draft for his sake.

I think he is done for the year with an ACL. He very well may easily slide to #5 (or even lower)

Porter actually stated before his injury that he would think about returning for a second year in college if his team didn't make a mark in the NCAA tournament, so there is a major possibility that he doesn't declare for the 2018 draft and considering how weak the 2019 draft looks, he would be a lock for the 1st pick in 2019. I'm sure his agent will gauge interest from teams with top picks next year though.

Unless I missed something, I thought once you hire an agent you can’t return to school?

I think there are new rules that allowed players to gauge interest from teams usually around the Draft Combine before being allowed to return to school (e.g. Hamidou Diallo)...so perhaps it's not an agent but a guardian.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 05, 2017, 04:49:41 PM
A) Lakers are 0-13 winless when trailing in the 1st quarter of a game aka a big fat 0% chance of winning so far this season.

B) Lakers have been outscored a total of 104 points in those loses by opposing teams in the 1st quarter; Lakers have been trailing in the 1st quarter by an average of 7.4 points. Ouch!

C) On the opposite side, Lakers are surprisingly 8-1 (89%) when actually ending the 1st quarter with a lead. Basically all the 8 wins came when they  were up in the 1st.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Big333223 on December 05, 2017, 05:00:42 PM
A) Lakers are 0-13 winless when trailing in the 1st quarter of a game aka a big fat 0% chance of winning so far this season.

B) Lakers have been outscored a total of 104 points in those loses by opposing teams in the 1st quarter; Lakers have been trailing in the 1st quarter by an average of 7.4 points. Ouch!

C) On the opposite side, Lakers are surprisingly 8-1 (89%) when actually ending the 1st quarter with a lead. Basically all our 8 wins came when we were up in the 1st.
Hopefully this is because this team just doesn't have the fight in them. If that's true, the dog days of the NBA are going to be rough on them.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 05, 2017, 05:06:19 PM
A) Lakers are 0-13 winless when trailing in the 1st quarter of a game aka a big fat 0% chance of winning so far this season.

B) Lakers have been outscored a total of 104 points in those loses by opposing teams in the 1st quarter; Lakers have been trailing in the 1st quarter by an average of 7.4 points. Ouch!

C) On the opposite side, Lakers are surprisingly 8-1 (89%) when actually ending the 1st quarter with a lead. Basically all our 8 wins came when we were up in the 1st.
Hopefully this is because this team just doesn't have the fight in them. If that's true, the dog days of the NBA are going to be rough on them.
I agree it looks like they just give up if they're down
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on December 05, 2017, 06:06:57 PM
Poor Lonzo looked absolutely terrible tonight. Genuinely feel for the guy..

#lakerspick

I love it!!

To me, Lavar's the tank commander because of how he inspires opponents to bring it (Jamal Murray was amazingly intense). Next step: acquire Rondo to mentor Lonzo on how to stat pad more effectively? Need those triple doubles more than wins. Lonzo for All-Rookie Team
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticSooner on December 05, 2017, 06:08:27 PM
This looks pretty good:

http://www.tankathon.com/
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 05, 2017, 06:28:20 PM
In order of importance , we need the suns, thunder, and wizards to win tonight

Its ok however if the jazz or blazers win



If suns lose, Lakers move back to 6
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: trickybilly on December 06, 2017, 09:14:22 PM
Sheesh.

Hawks, Kings, and Bulls all crap the bed with big leads...
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 06, 2017, 09:30:51 PM
Sheesh.

Hawks, Kings, and Bulls all crap the bed with big leads...
saw that lol
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 07, 2017, 01:54:19 AM
You guys are going to like this-

Prediction computer models:
FiveThirtyEight Car-melo model predicts Lakers finish 5th worst at the end of the season (using data up to today):
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-nba-predictions/?ex_cid=rrpromo

Basketball-Reference model predicts Lakers finish 5th worst: https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/playoff_prob.html

ESPN BPI model predicts Lakers finish 5th worst as of today: http://www.espn.com.au/nba/story/_/page/BPI-Playoff-Odds/espn-nba-basketball-power-index-playoff-odds
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: mef730 on December 07, 2017, 03:49:45 PM
I'm still thinking that the Lakers are outside the Top 5. Chicago and Atlanta are awful. They're virtual certainties for the top 3. Then you have Dallas, Sacramento, Phoenix, LAL, LAC, Charlotte and BKN left. I'm assuming that Memphis improve once their injured players come back. Sacramento is just awful. I think they beat out LAL. That leaves six teams "fighting" for those last two spots in the top 5 and, as far as I can tell, LAL has more talent than most of them. I have no idea what the Clippers will do; they may start to rebuild.

The upside is, no matter who they draft, the Kings always seem to be just awful. They don't have a lot of money tied up for 2018-19, but I'm not sure that they're going to get a lot of free agents who want to be there, so they may be a dumping ground for bad contracts and future draft picks. I'm all for that, since the future draft picks won't affect us.

Mike
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: saltlover on December 07, 2017, 03:57:57 PM
I'm still thinking that the Lakers are outside the Top 5. Chicago and Atlanta are awful. They're virtual certainties for the top 3. Then you have Dallas, Sacramento, Phoenix, LAL, LAC, Charlotte and BKN left. I'm assuming that Memphis improve once their injured players come back. Sacramento is just awful. I think they beat out LAL. That leaves six teams "fighting" for those last two spots in the top 5 and, as far as I can tell, LAL has more talent than most of them. I have no idea what the Clippers will do; they may start to rebuild.

The upside is, no matter who they draft, the Kings always seem to be just awful. They don't have a lot of money tied up for 2018-19, but I'm not sure that they're going to get a lot of free agents who want to be there, so they may be a dumping ground for bad contracts and future draft picks. I'm all for that, since the future draft picks won't affect us.

Mike

Actually, they’re over the salary cap next year, with the entirety of their roster under contract for 2018-2019.  Barring trades, this is your Kings team next year, with this year’s 1st rounder replacing someone who’s released.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: mef730 on December 07, 2017, 07:12:00 PM
Thanks Salty, that's what I like to hear!

Parenthood good?

Mike
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: saltlover on December 07, 2017, 07:14:21 PM
Thanks Salty, that's what I like to hear!

Parenthood good?

Mike

I’ve been on about 4 hours of sleep a night for the last two weeks.  Ask again later...
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 07, 2017, 07:51:01 PM
I'm still thinking that the Lakers are outside the Top 5. Chicago and Atlanta are awful. They're virtual certainties for the top 3. Then you have Dallas, Sacramento, Phoenix, LAL, LAC, Charlotte and BKN left. I'm assuming that Memphis improve once their injured players come back. Sacramento is just awful. I think they beat out LAL. That leaves six teams "fighting" for those last two spots in the top 5 and, as far as I can tell, LAL has more talent than most of them. I have no idea what the Clippers will do; they may start to rebuild.

The upside is, no matter who they draft, the Kings always seem to be just awful. They don't have a lot of money tied up for 2018-19, but I'm not sure that they're going to get a lot of free agents who want to be there, so they may be a dumping ground for bad contracts and future draft picks. I'm all for that, since the future draft picks won't affect us.

Mike
why would the clippers rebuild? Because griffin and Beverly got injured? No one is going to trade for 20% fg% max contract griffin. No one wants high price can't shoot deandre Jordan. Their assets aren't trade friendly. There better waiting until the off season to assess their strategy. That's what's been rumored they will do

Also, the nets just acquired okafor. All of the nets losses have been close losses. They are fighting every single game. This isn't the same team that got us brown and tatum

Kings may surprise, and the suns will fight to not be a bottom dweller as will the mavs
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on December 07, 2017, 07:53:03 PM
Thanks Salty, that's what I like to hear!

Parenthood good?

Mike

I’ve been on about 4 hours of sleep a night for the last two weeks.  Ask again later...

Translation: It's Good!


 :laugh:
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: wayupnorth on December 07, 2017, 08:19:32 PM
I'm still thinking that the Lakers are outside the Top 5. Chicago and Atlanta are awful. They're virtual certainties for the top 3. Then you have Dallas, Sacramento, Phoenix, LAL, LAC, Charlotte and BKN left. I'm assuming that Memphis improve once their injured players come back. Sacramento is just awful. I think they beat out LAL. That leaves six teams "fighting" for those last two spots in the top 5 and, as far as I can tell, LAL has more talent than most of them. I have no idea what the Clippers will do; they may start to rebuild.

The upside is, no matter who they draft, the Kings always seem to be just awful. They don't have a lot of money tied up for 2018-19, but I'm not sure that they're going to get a lot of free agents who want to be there, so they may be a dumping ground for bad contracts and future draft picks. I'm all for that, since the future draft picks won't affect us.

Mike
why would the clippers rebuild? Because griffin and Beverly got injured? No one is going to trade for 20% fg% max contract griffin. No one wants high price can't shoot deandre Jordan. Their assets aren't trade friendly. There better waiting until the off season to assess their strategy. That's what's been rumored they will do

Also, the nets just acquired okafor. All of the nets losses have been close losses. They are fighting every single game. This isn't the same team that got us brown and tatum

Kings may surprise, and the suns will fight to not be a bottom dweller as will the mavs

DeAndre Jordan is a heck of a player and there will be many teams willing to take on his services
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on December 07, 2017, 08:44:01 PM
Dang Lakers look good. Hot start for them...  :o  :(
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: JBcat on December 07, 2017, 09:15:38 PM
Dang Lakers look good. Hot start for them...  :o  :(

A very good first half for the Lakers. Ugh
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on December 07, 2017, 10:27:02 PM
Pick this up philly. One game I am rooting for them this year
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenEnvy on December 07, 2017, 10:30:25 PM
I'm still thinking that the Lakers are outside the Top 5. Chicago and Atlanta are awful. They're virtual certainties for the top 3. Then you have Dallas, Sacramento, Phoenix, LAL, LAC, Charlotte and BKN left. I'm assuming that Memphis improve once their injured players come back. Sacramento is just awful. I think they beat out LAL. That leaves six teams "fighting" for those last two spots in the top 5 and, as far as I can tell, LAL has more talent than most of them. I have no idea what the Clippers will do; they may start to rebuild.

The upside is, no matter who they draft, the Kings always seem to be just awful. They don't have a lot of money tied up for 2018-19, but I'm not sure that they're going to get a lot of free agents who want to be there, so they may be a dumping ground for bad contracts and future draft picks. I'm all for that, since the future draft picks won't affect us.

Mike
why would the clippers rebuild? Because griffin and Beverly got injured? No one is going to trade for 20% fg% max contract griffin. No one wants high price can't shoot deandre Jordan. Their assets aren't trade friendly. There better waiting until the off season to assess their strategy. That's what's been rumored they will do

Also, the nets just acquired okafor. All of the nets losses have been close losses. They are fighting every single game. This isn't the same team that got us brown and tatum

Kings may surprise, and the suns will fight to not be a bottom dweller as will the mavs

DeAndre Jordan is a heck of a player and there will be many teams willing to take on his services

He’s good at what he does (defend, clean the glass, dunk) but he’s making a lot of money for someone who can’t spread the floor or hit free throws particularly well.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on December 07, 2017, 10:35:59 PM
Good job, refs. That would've been one of the softest flagrants I'd ever seen.

Don't blow this Philly!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: jambr380 on December 07, 2017, 10:39:32 PM
*sigh*

Well, I guess we can't win 'em all. I can't believe Ball didn't go for the lay-up there.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on December 07, 2017, 10:39:46 PM
Lol Philly. Blew it. Hate seeing LA win, but at least it comes at the expense of Philly.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Kuberski33 on December 07, 2017, 10:48:18 PM
Heck of a game. Ball made a nice play at the end.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on December 07, 2017, 11:21:07 PM
Frustrating lol
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: libermaniac on December 08, 2017, 12:01:04 AM
Did anyone notice that Embiid made NO effort whatsoever to defend the Laker fast break after Reddick showed his lack of ball handling ability and turned it over on the behind the back dribble move with about a minute to go in the game?  That was inexcusable in my book.  Simmons hustled all the way back for the foul.  That was effort.  But Embiid ... Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Rondo9 on December 08, 2017, 12:12:32 AM
Did anyone notice that Embiid made NO effort whatsoever to defend the Laker fast break after Reddick showed his lack of ball handling ability and turned it over on the behind the back dribble move with about a minute to go in the game?  That was inexcusable in my book.  Simmons hustled all the way back for the foul.  That was effort.  But Embiid ... ****?

I think Embiid was exhausted and in foul trouble.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 08, 2017, 12:27:08 AM
Did anyone notice that Embiid made NO effort whatsoever to defend the Laker fast break after Reddick showed his lack of ball handling ability and turned it over on the behind the back dribble move with about a minute to go in the game?  That was inexcusable in my book.  Simmons hustled all the way back for the foul.  That was effort.  But Embiid ... ****?

I think Embiid was exhausted and in foul trouble.
what exactly does foul trouble matter with a minute left
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Rondo9 on December 08, 2017, 12:38:11 AM
Did anyone notice that Embiid made NO effort whatsoever to defend the Laker fast break after Reddick showed his lack of ball handling ability and turned it over on the behind the back dribble move with about a minute to go in the game?  That was inexcusable in my book.  Simmons hustled all the way back for the foul.  That was effort.  But Embiid ... ****?

I think Embiid was exhausted and in foul trouble.
what exactly does foul trouble matter with a minute left

It matters when you're the best player on your team.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: trickybilly on December 09, 2017, 11:52:03 AM
Much like committed relationships..  I refuse to do this again.

If the Hornets (who must be top 3 tenured team) fail to beat the Lakers..  I will take sacrifice, and then slumber.  Till deadline we doth meet. *vampire hiss*
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: JBcat on December 09, 2017, 12:50:27 PM
The western conference has been decimated with injuries so far, and you wonder if it will catch up to the Lakers at some point.  The Warriors-Curry, Rockets-Paul, Spurs-Leanord, Nuggets-Millsap, Jazz-Gobert, Clippers-Griffin, Suns-Booker, and Grizzlies-Conley.  It’s pretty amazing really so many injuries to so many good players.  I would not shed a tear if a key Laker or 2 missed a good chunk of time. Haha
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on December 09, 2017, 08:36:01 PM
Ugh Lakers in a very close one with the Hornets now.

Another win for LAL would really make these last 24 hours worse (Stanton to NYY; Celtics losing to Spurs, etc.)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on December 09, 2017, 09:00:03 PM
Man, Charlotte is terrible.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticSooner on December 09, 2017, 09:13:30 PM
Dwight Coward has infected another team.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on December 09, 2017, 09:28:57 PM
The Lakers are now 10-15. What will their record look like at the end of the month ?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: green_bballers13 on December 09, 2017, 10:54:31 PM
Too many bad teams in the NBA to rely on 18 LAL pick converting.

I think the 19 SAC pick is much more likely to hit.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 09, 2017, 11:00:07 PM
Bulls hawks and clippers won
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on December 09, 2017, 11:41:01 PM
What a choke by JaMychal Green at the end for Memphis

Memphis has lost 14 of 15!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: TheSundanceKid on December 10, 2017, 05:33:46 AM
Too many bad teams in the NBA to rely on 18 LAL pick converting.

I think the 19 SAC pick is much more likely to hit.
Nothing wrong with that either. There are positives to either pick depending on how we develop over the course of this year.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 12, 2017, 10:48:47 AM
today in order of importance we need wins from:

Knicks
Nets
Pistons
Suns or kings
Hawks
Mavs
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on December 12, 2017, 06:14:14 PM
today in order of importance we need wins from:

Knicks
Nets
Pistons
Suns or kings
Hawks
Mavs

Unfortunately I doubt the Hawks and Mavs will beat the Cavs and Spurs tonight lol.

But maybe Nets can beat Wiz at home, and Pistons could beat the Nuggets.

Although outcomes of other games may play an affect, the Lakers, with a loss tonight, could fall from 10th worst down to 7th worst. It's a really cluttered group around there.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: SCeltic34 on December 12, 2017, 09:21:19 PM
I haven't watched Porzingis much this season, but he looks incredibly soft.  The Lakers are playing somewhat physical defense against him and it's caused him to take bad/low percentage shots, almost all jumpers.

Hornacek with a terrible play call to end the 4th.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on December 12, 2017, 09:43:51 PM
KNICKS BEAT THE LAKERS!!

AND WOW, Lakers schedule gets ROUGH now.

Next 4 games: @Cleveland, Golden State, @Houston, @Golden State

Hopefully they go 0-4 in that stretch  ;D
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 12, 2017, 10:11:19 PM
Nets also win to pull ahead more of the lakers
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 12, 2017, 10:11:51 PM
Tankathon.com shows Lakers back to 7th worst. They were like 11 yesterday
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: JBcat on December 12, 2017, 10:15:20 PM
Lakers are being competitive.  It’s going to be tough to break into the bottom 5.  It’s a very clustered group though so anything can happen, and even the Bulls are showing signs of life winning 3 in a row looking to join the pack. Lol
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on December 12, 2017, 10:17:58 PM
Tankathon.com shows Lakers back to 7th worst. They were like 11 yesterday

As I said above, between 6th worst and 12th worst is such a cluttered group lol.

Hoping Lakers trade Randle and/or Clarkson at the deadline to clear up cap space for this summer. That would make them worse short term and probably help us out a bit.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: BlastFromThePast on December 12, 2017, 10:30:02 PM
KNICKS BEAT THE LAKERS!!

AND WOW, Lakers schedule gets ROUGH now.

Next 4 games: @Cleveland, Golden State, @Houston, @Golden State

Hopefully they go 0-4 in that stretch  ;D

Hopefully?  It's a lock unless Armegeddon occurs first.   ;D

They then get Port and the T'Wolves (both likely losses) and Mem (they have to get better, right) and the Clips on a 4 game home stand (the latter 2 probably a split) before the Rockets and T'Wolves on the road on New Year's eve and New Year's day.

Personally, I have them going 1-9 during the upcoming stretch thru the end of this month.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on December 12, 2017, 10:35:20 PM
KNICKS BEAT THE LAKERS!!

AND WOW, Lakers schedule gets ROUGH now.

Next 4 games: @Cleveland, Golden State, @Houston, @Golden State

Hopefully they go 0-4 in that stretch  ;D

Hopefully?  It's a lock unless Armegeddon occurs first.   ;D

They then get Port and the T'Wolves (both likely losses) and Mem (they have to get better, right) and the Clips on a 4 game home stand (the latter 2 probably a split) before the Rockets and T'Wolves on the road on New Year's eve and New Year's day.

Personally, I have them going 1-9 during the upcoming stretch thru the end of this month.

Just being a bit cautious.

I thought they may go 1-1 in that stretch vs. Philly and Charlotte, and they won both of them  :(

But yeah this won't be easy at all.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on December 12, 2017, 10:44:42 PM
Great night for the pick! Lakers lose. Nets and Mavs win.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: libermaniac on December 14, 2017, 02:57:32 PM
Boy, just looking at mock drafts.  From my perspective it would be much better if the draft pick conveys this year, since 5 of the top 6 prospects are 6-10 or taller. In the 2019 draft the only top prospect 6-10 or taller is Manute Bol's kid.  Can't see Bol fitting in our system.

If we could add that length/frontcourt help in next year's draft.  Watch out NBA!!!!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 14, 2017, 03:24:48 PM
Boy, just looking at mock drafts.  From my perspective it would be much better if the draft pick conveys this year, since 5 of the top 6 prospects are 6-10 or taller. In the 2019 draft the only top prospect 6-10 or taller is Manute Bol's kid.  Can't see Bol fitting in our system.

If we could add that length/frontcourt help in next year's draft.  Watch out NBA!!!!
2 things I wanted to say: 1. The 2019 draft will have reform with the age limit expected to be lowered, so a rush of high school prospects may enter (players like LaMelo Ball). 2. the best part was the protections danny added to the pick. We either get a top elite prospect this year or roll dice on the terrible kings in 2019 during likely draft reform. Win win. We were paid a most likely elite top 5 prospect to take tatum. Danny did Brooklyn fleece part 2
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on December 14, 2017, 03:50:00 PM
The Lakers will have 11 wins going into the new year.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on December 14, 2017, 04:03:32 PM
The Lakers will have 11 wins going into the new year.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/fDzM81OYrNjJC/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on December 14, 2017, 08:39:38 PM
I know it'd hurt our pick, but I'd find it absolutely hilarious to see the Cavs lose to LA in Cleveland tonight.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Rondo9 on December 14, 2017, 08:50:49 PM
The Lakers will have 11 wins going into the new year.

Good thing? or a bad thing?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 14, 2017, 09:01:29 PM
Cavs have trailed the Lakers by 1 or 2 possessions for almost the whole 1st half
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on December 14, 2017, 09:04:56 PM
Oh my Lord, did Brook Lopez just airball two free throws in a row?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 14, 2017, 09:05:05 PM
Brook lopez just airballed 2 free throws back to back ahabah
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: JBcat on December 14, 2017, 09:38:17 PM
I’ve read a couple times that in order to create 2 max slots next offseason they will have to take Clarkson, and renounce Randle or just trade him beforehand.  Both of them are playing well so hopefully they will go to help the losses mount.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on December 14, 2017, 09:45:25 PM
We should trade for Jordan Clarkson
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: nickagneta on December 14, 2017, 10:23:39 PM
Amazing just how bad the Cavs defense is. Good thing they will be a dominant offensive team come the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Monkhouse on December 14, 2017, 10:32:00 PM
The Lakers will have 11 wins going into the new year.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/fDzM81OYrNjJC/giphy.gif)

Man, that gif always gets me!  :angel:
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Redz on December 14, 2017, 10:48:37 PM
Brook lopez just airballed 2 free throws back to back ahabah

He's been a pretty bad fit there
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 14, 2017, 11:02:03 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRDrlLNVwAAmUL4?format=jpg)

Anyone else find those private convos with lebron jersey over his mouth like its a secret convo? If its so private why not have a phone convo away from cameras and live mics
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: ChillyWilly on December 14, 2017, 11:16:16 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRDrlLNVwAAmUL4?format=jpg)

Anyone else find those private convos with lebron jersey over his mouth like its a secret convo? If its so private why not have a phone convo away from cameras and live mics

Doesn't look like a private conversation, looks like they wiping their mouths after eating a D'angelos sub.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 14, 2017, 11:30:17 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRDrlLNVwAAmUL4?format=jpg)

Anyone else find those private convos with lebron jersey over his mouth like its a secret convo? If its so private why not have a phone convo away from cameras and live mics

Doesn't look like a private conversation, looks like they wiping their mouths after eating a D'angelos sub.
lol
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 14, 2017, 11:30:55 PM
Mavs have held their lead against the warriors the entire first half.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 14, 2017, 11:35:59 PM
These 2 videos describe the Laker season so far:

https://youtu.be/FWmigJJXl2Q
https://youtu.be/CezUmItOkBY
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Jiri Welsch on December 15, 2017, 12:01:06 AM
Just keep losing LAL!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on December 15, 2017, 08:02:22 AM
So as of now, if some of you haven't looked, the LAL are tied for 7th worst record. They're 3 games out of the 3rd spot. They are playing hard, maybe not defensively but they seem to score enough to keep themselves in games, thanks to their bench, and they've won about 5 games in which they were supposed to lose, or at least that 's what Vegas thought.
Their next 5 games are against teams with winning records and then 2 very important games against teams in the lottery (Grizzlies and Clippers) followed by 3 more tough teams.
After that the month of January gets really interesting. Some bad teams jockeying for lottery spots.
I hope they trade some of their bench players that keep them in games.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: green_bballers13 on December 15, 2017, 11:39:12 AM
The Lakers suck. They are better than last year. They are building something, but they still won't win a lot of games this year.

I think Lonzo will be good.

I think Ingram will be good.

I think Kuzma, Nance, and Clarkson are all good role players.

I think Randle is a good specialty player that will find 25+mpg in the league somewhere.

They have about 5 pieces: 2-3 good starters and 2-3 good role players.

I don't think they're the favorites to land Lebron in the offseason. I think CLE has a better chance of resigning him.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on December 15, 2017, 11:42:13 AM
It is amazing how the Bulls have won 4 straight, so technically the Lakers are only 3 games away from possibly being 2nd worst in the league.

That won't happen though, but with a brutal schedule ahead, maybe Lakers drop to 4th/5th worst by the end of the month?

Hornets should figure it out soon, and hopefully 1 or 2 of MEM/DAL/SAC/PHO start winning a few games to end the month.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on December 15, 2017, 12:20:44 PM
It is amazing how the Bulls have won 4 straight, so technically the Lakers are only 3 games away from possibly being 2nd worst in the league.

That won't happen though, but with a brutal schedule ahead, maybe Lakers drop to 4th/5th worst by the end of the month?

Hornets should figure it out soon, and hopefully 1 or 2 of MEM/DAL/SAC/PHO start winning a few games to end the month.
Yes, thanks for pointing that out. Not sure how I missed that.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: bopna on December 15, 2017, 12:44:27 PM
The Lakers suck. They are better than last year. They are building something, but they still won't win a lot of games this year.

I think Lonzo will be good.

I think Ingram will be good.

I think Kuzma, Nance, and Clarkson are all good role players.

I think Randle is a good specialty player that will find 25+mpg in the league somewhere.

They have about 5 pieces: 2-3 good starters and 2-3 good role players.

I don't think they're the favorites to land Lebron in the offseason. I think CLE has a better chance of resigning him.

Nah. I really feel Lebron is really on the way out. The only hint I can see Lebron staying is if the Cavs trade away that Brooklyn pick...if the Cavs kept it then I fully expect Lebron 100% to bolt.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: ETNCeltics on December 15, 2017, 01:25:15 PM
IMO, Lebron is going neck-deep into the entertainment business, and will head to LAL as soon as the season is over. Winning another title, Warriors, Celtics, all that other stuff is just noise that isn't as important to him as his post-NBA life.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 15, 2017, 01:33:51 PM
IMO, Lebron is going neck-deep into the entertainment business, and will head to LAL as soon as the season is over. Winning another title, Warriors, Celtics, all that other stuff is just noise that isn't as important to him as his post-NBA life.

yup...i agree .....he wants to be majority owner of a team some day .   Teams cost billions now not millions .  Its going to be a big check for even The King to write.   There is way more money to be made in LA for LeKing than Cleveland. 

if he does not get a title this year in Cleveland .  He ll go to a bigger market for money above and beyond what Cleveland pays.  Cavs can offer more money , but it won't touch overall what he could pull down business wise in LA. 

Titles mat soon be on secondary to money ,location .
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on December 15, 2017, 10:43:05 PM
Bulls (8-20) have now won five straight, beating the Bucks 115-109. How long before they trade Robin Lopez and Mirotic?

Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: JBcat on December 15, 2017, 10:51:51 PM
Bulls (8-20) have now won five straight, beating the Bucks 115-109. How long before they trade Robin Lopez and Mirotic?

I hope they keep them at the rate they are winning.  Hopefully another team to pass the Lakers.  Hard to believe 2 weeks ago.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: nickagneta on December 15, 2017, 11:01:31 PM
Remember last year when everyone wrote off Miami as a tanking team and they went on to win like 20 of 23 games? Still a lot of time for a lot of teams to go on major winning and losing streaks.

Lakers could still end up as a third or second worst team in the league.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 16, 2017, 07:39:00 PM
Lakers will be without KCP for 3 road games
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21786846/los-angeles-lakers-kentavious-caldwell-pope-miss-three-road-games-due-plea-agreement
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: slightly biased bias fan on December 16, 2017, 10:31:55 PM
Suns just beat Wolves (level with Lakers) and Dallas look like getting the win over the Spurs (one win behind Lakers).
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: GratefulCs on December 16, 2017, 10:50:32 PM
here we go

lakers are about to start a rough stretch, right?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: saltlover on December 17, 2017, 12:10:28 AM
I’d say they’re already in it.  Cavs-Warriors-Rockets-Warriors might be the most difficult 4-game stretch any team has all season.  Even the travel is rough — Cleveland, LA, Houston, Oakland.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 17, 2017, 12:53:00 AM
I’d say they’re already in it.  Cavs-Warriors-Rockets-Warriors might be the most difficult 4-game stretch any team has all season.  Even the travel is rough — Cleveland, LA, Houston, Oakland.
And they won't have Caldwell-pope for 3 of those road games. Should be brutal.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Jiri Welsch on December 17, 2017, 01:28:58 AM
Gotta really demoralize them heading to the ASG
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: MattyIce on December 17, 2017, 01:37:39 AM
I’d say they’re already in it.  Cavs-Warriors-Rockets-Warriors might be the most difficult 4-game stretch any team has all season.  Even the travel is rough — Cleveland, LA, Houston, Oakland.

is Green back yet?  no Curry, potentially no Green, they played them tough last time in LA >:(
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Rondo9 on December 17, 2017, 01:42:11 AM
I’d say they’re already in it.  Cavs-Warriors-Rockets-Warriors might be the most difficult 4-game stretch any team has all season.  Even the travel is rough — Cleveland, LA, Houston, Oakland.

is Green back yet?  no Curry, potentially no Green, they played them tough last time in LA >:(

Kevin Durant and Klay Thompson?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: MattyIce on December 17, 2017, 03:06:51 AM
I’d say they’re already in it.  Cavs-Warriors-Rockets-Warriors might be the most difficult 4-game stretch any team has all season.  Even the travel is rough — Cleveland, LA, Houston, Oakland.

is Green back yet?  no Curry, potentially no Green, they played them tough last time in LA >:(

Kevin Durant and Klay Thompson?


11/29 OT
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 18, 2017, 03:04:43 PM
Last night was bad for the pick again

Order of importance for teams to win today:

Warriors (vs lakers lol)
Hornets
Clippers
Hawks
76ers or bulls
Suns or mavs
Jazz
Wolves
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on December 18, 2017, 03:33:19 PM
Last night was bad for the pick again

Order of importance for teams to win today:

Warriors (vs lakers lol)
Hornets
Clippers
Hawks
76ers or bulls
Suns or mavs
Jazz
Wolves

Last couple of nights have been pretty bad but tonight could be a good night for the pick.  Fingers crossed
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: JBcat on December 18, 2017, 03:51:50 PM
The Warriors are without Curry, Green, Pachulia, and Livingston tonight.  Could be a closer game than we hope for.  The Lakers have been hanging tough with several teams.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 18, 2017, 05:16:01 PM
Lakers might just pull this,off if Ball and kuzma get confident and WArriors slack.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Celtics4ever on December 18, 2017, 06:49:41 PM
Quote
Lakers might just pull this,off if Ball and kuzma get confident and WArriors slack.

I think GS will want to beat their state rival and not take the night off.   Still they are short handed but I for one will never ever root for LA.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticSooner on December 18, 2017, 08:10:41 PM
The Warriors are without Curry, Green, Pachulia, and Livingston tonight.  Could be a closer game than we hope for.  The Lakers have been hanging tough with several teams.

I'll take the Lakers tonight with that news. GS defense should drop off a cliff without Green.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Rondo9 on December 18, 2017, 08:19:16 PM
The Warriors are without Curry, Green, Pachulia, and Livingston tonight.  Could be a closer game than we hope for.  The Lakers have been hanging tough with several teams.

I'll take the Lakers tonight with that news. GS defense should drop off a cliff without Green.

They've been fine without him.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: jambr380 on December 18, 2017, 08:22:27 PM
I'm really annoyed the Lakers are retiring both #8 and #24 for Kobe. It's like, dude, just pick one. Hopefully the Warriors can ruin the celebration  8)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on December 18, 2017, 08:32:53 PM
I'm really annoyed the Lakers are retiring both #8 and #24 for Kobe. It's like, dude, just pick one. Hopefully the Warriors can ruin the celebration  8)

Yeah, it's kind of an arse move to schedule his jersey retirement ceremony against the Warriors lol
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on December 18, 2017, 10:21:42 PM
Hawks, Hornets, and Bulls won.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 18, 2017, 10:39:55 PM
predicting a Warriors blowout at the hands of the home  Lakers . 
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 18, 2017, 10:55:44 PM
Hawks, Hornets, and Bulls won.
thunder too. Good night so far. Warriors win and we’ve got a double victory cigar night
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on December 18, 2017, 11:44:08 PM
Oh man, Lopez just rolled his ankle and it was literally flat on the floor. Given his size and his past foot issues, he might be out awhile with that injury. That was a nasty one.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: MattyIce on December 18, 2017, 11:44:29 PM
lopez sprained ankle, to locker room
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: MattyIce on December 18, 2017, 11:45:16 PM
Oh man, Lopez just rolled his ankle and it was literally flat on the floor. Given his size and his past foot issues, he might be out awhile with that injury. That was a nasty one.

that would be awful ;)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on December 18, 2017, 11:59:39 PM
Anyone else think it’s dumb to retire both of Kobe’s numbers?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 19, 2017, 12:04:54 AM
Anyone else think it’s dumb to retire both of Kobe’s numbers?
we all do. It’s funny how they don’t retire any Minneapolis jerseys like George Mikan, they want to pretend Minneapolis never happened.... but they’ll gladly take recognition of those Minneapolis championships that Mikan won. They want to have their cake and eat it too


Anything to catch up to the Celtics banners 
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: SparzWizard on December 19, 2017, 12:32:12 AM
Oh man, Lopez just rolled his ankle and it was literally flat on the floor. Given his size and his past foot issues, he might be out awhile with that injury. That was a nasty one.

that would be awful ;)

Savagery
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Jiri Welsch on December 19, 2017, 01:01:18 AM
Lakers are getting every call
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: MattyIce on December 19, 2017, 01:09:12 AM
I’d say they’re already in it.  Cavs-Warriors-Rockets-Warriors might be the most difficult 4-game stretch any team has all season.  Even the travel is rough — Cleveland, LA, Houston, Oakland.

is Green back yet?  no Curry, potentially no Green, they played them tough last time in LA >:(

Kevin Durant and Klay Thompson?

what u say?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on December 19, 2017, 01:10:59 AM
OT after the KCP airball.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: MattyIce on December 19, 2017, 01:14:04 AM
I’d say they’re already in it.  Cavs-Warriors-Rockets-Warriors might be the most difficult 4-game stretch any team has all season.  Even the travel is rough — Cleveland, LA, Houston, Oakland.

is Green back yet?  no Curry, potentially no Green, they played them tough last time in LA >:(

Kevin Durant and Klay Thompson?

combined 13/49
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticSooner on December 19, 2017, 01:18:01 AM
This Lakers team plays too well given their age. Do not like the picks chances as much anymore.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Rondo9 on December 19, 2017, 01:19:06 AM
This Lakers team plays too well given their age. Do not like the picks chances as much anymore.

They are over .500?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticSooner on December 19, 2017, 01:21:21 AM
This Lakers team plays too well given their age. Do not like the picks chances as much anymore.

They are over .500?

Doesn't matter. Much much worse teams this season that have an incentive to tank unlike them.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: MattyIce on December 19, 2017, 01:27:29 AM
that wasnt "easy"
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: GratefulCs on December 19, 2017, 01:27:52 AM
party time  8)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Rondo9 on December 19, 2017, 01:28:55 AM
This Lakers team plays too well given their age. Do not like the picks chances as much anymore.

They are over .500?

Doesn't matter. Much much worse teams this season that have an incentive to tank unlike them.

Didn't people say that about the Nets last year?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticSooner on December 19, 2017, 01:30:21 AM
This Lakers team plays too well given their age. Do not like the picks chances as much anymore.

They are over .500?

Doesn't matter. Much much worse teams this season that have an incentive to tank unlike them.

Didn't people say that about the Nets last year?

Not I. Lakers do have some nice young players. Kuzma is going to be a really good.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Rondo9 on December 19, 2017, 01:35:28 AM
This Lakers team plays too well given their age. Do not like the picks chances as much anymore.

They are over .500?

Doesn't matter. Much much worse teams this season that have an incentive to tank unlike them.

Didn't people say that about the Nets last year?

Not I. Lakers do have some nice young players. Kuzma is going to be a really good.

I think he'll be fine.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 19, 2017, 02:27:30 AM
This Lakers team plays too well given their age. Do not like the picks chances as much anymore.

They are over .500?

Doesn't matter. Much much worse teams this season that have an incentive to tank unlike them.

Didn't people say that about the Nets last year?

Not I. Lakers do have some nice young players. Kuzma is going to be a really good.
http://www.tankathon.com

Lakers still 8th worst team right now. More than 35% of the season has passed. At what point do we call a spade a spade?  Only took 8 spins for the Pick to convey. Not ideal but they will get worse. Best part is the nets are almost out of the lottery.


I’m sorry but Kyle Kuzma isn’t carrying them past the bottom of the barrel of the nba where they belong
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 19, 2017, 02:58:47 AM
Side note anyone notice the bulls won 6 in a row? Impressively won against sixers last night. This is exactly what we needed them to do. Keep winning! Thanks kris Dunn

bulls only 1.5 games behind lakers now
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: TheSundanceKid on December 19, 2017, 05:46:36 AM
Side note anyone notice the bulls won 6 in a row? Impressively won against sixers last night. This is exactly what we needed them to do. Keep winning! Thanks kris Dunn

bulls only 1.5 games behind lakers now

This needs to be emphasised. The Bulls were far and away the worst team to begin the season but even they have shown they can go on runs. The bottom of the league is wide open this year, there are 8-9 teams that just sren't that good. Most of them have coaches who will be fighting for thier jobs or have been at the bottom for so long (Kings) that a good draft position isn't as important as trying to reach the playoffs. Yes the Lakers are a prideful franchise who will do all tehy can to win this year but they really aren't special in that regard, and they definitely aren't more talented than some of these teams.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Sophomore on December 19, 2017, 06:19:57 AM
Side note anyone notice the bulls won 6 in a row? Impressively won against sixers last night. This is exactly what we needed them to do. Keep winning! Thanks kris Dunn

bulls only 1.5 games behind lakers now

This needs to be emphasised. The Bulls were far and away the worst team to begin the season but even they have shown they can go on runs. The bottom of the league is wide open this year, there are 8-9 teams that just sren't that good. Most of them have coaches who will be fighting for thier jobs or have been at the bottom for so long (Kings) that a good draft position isn't as important as trying to reach the playoffs. Yes the Lakers are a prideful franchise who will do all tehy can to win this year but they really aren't special in that regard, and they definitely aren't more talented than some of these teams.

All of this. Lakers’ next three games are at Houston, at Golden State, and Portland. Sure they might win one of those, but I see three more losses. Which should knock them back to seventh or sixth from the bottom. One significant injury and I could easily see them sliding into the bottom five.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: BringToughnessBack on December 19, 2017, 12:02:09 PM
That Lopez sprain did not look pretty either. It reminded me of when I sprained my ankle on a tennis court years ago. Sprains are not always easy to come back fast from especially when you are a 7 foot tall basketball player. I wonder how long he will be out and if he is already in a boot? Still doubtful it conveys but oh what a joy it would be if it did!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenShooter on December 19, 2017, 12:18:59 PM
Lopez's stat line of 22 minutes/game, 12.8 ppg, 4.3 rpg and 16.6 PER aren't going to break their season, even if he misses 4-8 weeks.
I would rather it be Ingram, Clarkson, Kuzma or KCP. A combination of any of those would be icing on the cake.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 19, 2017, 12:26:18 PM
Randle is more important than even Laker Nation overall wants to give him credit .   Lakers got some good players and IMO should just build up slow but steady.  ......but alas ...not the Laker way .....impatience could be their undoing.   

I would hang on to Nance , Ingram , and Kuzma ......Ball would be the guy I d let go ,  he is not a player to build around.  They should keep their young core , not trade them for Bron and George.   ......these old guys  ate  a one night stand ......back to very limited window and pressure. 

I think they Should let Walton build up his own team , and play ball right.   Lebron will just screw up their team , but looks like they dying to go down that road again.

None of this building a Culture within will happen , Lakers have no patience. Good for us.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Tr1boy on December 19, 2017, 12:47:21 PM
They keep losing and I love it

Randle is likely a goner by the trade deadline...maybe clarkson as well

And once Lopez is dealt , we can all get excited about the possibility of 2-5 pick for next years draft
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: keevsnick on December 19, 2017, 12:57:49 PM
They keep losing and I love it

Randle is likely a goner by the trade deadline...maybe clarkson as well

And once Lopez is dealt , we can all get excited about the possibility of 2-5 pick for next years draft

If Lopez gets dealt. The problem with dealing Lopez is he had a big contract and the Lakers don't want to take on money, so they'd have to find someone with a similar amount of expiring cash and willing to give up an asset who is also a competitor. Not easy.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on December 19, 2017, 03:04:38 PM
http://twitter.com/ChrisMannixYS/status/943208322446086144

Lopez to be re-evaluated in three weeks. This should help the Lakers pick during a difficult stretch for them.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on December 19, 2017, 03:08:09 PM
http://twitter.com/ChrisMannixYS/status/943208322446086144

Lopez to be re-evaluated in three weeks. This should help the Lakers pick during a difficult stretch for them.

Is Lopez really helping them though? Teams usually seem to do better when he is gone. Small ball lineups with Nance and Randle at the 5 and Kuzma at the 4 also opens up a lot of playmaking.

Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Ilikesports17 on December 19, 2017, 03:53:31 PM
http://twitter.com/ChrisMannixYS/status/943208322446086144

Lopez to be re-evaluated in three weeks. This should help the Lakers pick during a difficult stretch for them.

Is Lopez really helping them though? Teams usually seem to do better when he is gone. Small ball lineups with Nance and Randle at the 5 and Kuzma at the 4 also opens up a lot of playmaking.
That hasnt been true for the last 3 years.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on December 19, 2017, 05:48:17 PM
Embiid not playing tonight. Good opportunity for Sacramento to go to 10-20.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on December 20, 2017, 12:00:45 AM
Embiid not playing tonight. Good opportunity for Sacramento to go to 10-20.

and they did win!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on December 20, 2017, 03:11:47 PM
Capela's out for HOU (25-4) tonight vs. LAL (10-18).

Other win-win games tonight:

SAC (10-20) @ BKN (11-18) (Go Brooklyn!)
ORL (11-20) @ CHI (9-20)
PHX (11-21) @ LAC (11-18)

Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: celticsclay on December 20, 2017, 03:36:15 PM
Embiid not playing tonight. Good opportunity for Sacramento to go to 10-20.

These bottom teams are winning so many games right now.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: footey on December 20, 2017, 03:39:26 PM
Embiid not playing tonight. Good opportunity for Sacramento to go to 10-20.

These bottom teams are winning so many games right now.

Speaking of which, Bulls on a 6 game win streak, including their blow out victory over us.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Surferdad on December 20, 2017, 03:42:44 PM
http://twitter.com/ChrisMannixYS/status/943208322446086144

Lopez to be re-evaluated in three weeks. This should help the Lakers pick during a difficult stretch for them.

Is Lopez really helping them though? Teams usually seem to do better when he is gone. Small ball lineups with Nance and Randle at the 5 and Kuzma at the 4 also opens up a lot of playmaking.
That hasnt been true for the last 3 years.
It certainly hurts their frontcourt depth.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: saltlover on December 20, 2017, 03:44:30 PM
Embiid not playing tonight. Good opportunity for Sacramento to go to 10-20.

These bottom teams are winning so many games right now.

Speaking of which, Bulls on a 6 game win streak, including their blow out victory over us.

I’m starting to wonder if the Bulls are this year’s version of Miami last season.  Winnable game tonight could take them to 10-20, although the win streak probably stops tomorrow in Cleveland..
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: libermaniac on December 20, 2017, 04:54:40 PM
3 games tonight where a team neck and neck with the Lakers is guaranteed to win:

Kings (10 wins) at Nets (11)
Magic (11) at Bulls (9)
Suns (11) at Clips (11)

Combined with Lakers at Houston.  Good night for C's fans!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: JHTruth on December 20, 2017, 05:11:50 PM
Embiid not playing tonight. Good opportunity for Sacramento to go to 10-20.

These bottom teams are winning so many games right now.

Speaking of which, Bulls on a 6 game win streak, including their blow out victory over us.

Lakers in full-on collapse. This pick will convey this year..
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 20, 2017, 05:50:06 PM
Embiid not playing tonight. Good opportunity for Sacramento to go to 10-20.

These bottom teams are winning so many games right now.

Speaking of which, Bulls on a 6 game win streak, including their blow out victory over us.
our loss to the bulls probably gave them the confidence to continue winning. Kind of glad we lost to them if that's the case
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 20, 2017, 07:19:34 PM
i should be paid to watch Lakers .....brutal
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Phantom255x on December 20, 2017, 07:22:29 PM
Hopefully the Rockets smack the Lakers w/no problems whatsoever.

It would be nice to see the Clippers and Grizzlies go on a bit of a run soon.

Also, in terms of West standings, the 9th place Jazz have 14 wins and everyone above them obviously have more than 14. Lakers are 11th place with 10 wins. The Lakers have played 1-3 games less than most teams, but another few losses and I could legitimately see them Bottom-3 in the West at least. Only Bulls, Hawks worse than LAL in terms of wins in the East, but Bulls going on a run lately.

Basically, hope LAL loses more to end the month and stay stagnant around 10-11 wins.  ;D
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Jiri Welsch on December 20, 2017, 08:10:18 PM
Hopefully the Rockets smack the Lakers w/no problems whatsoever.

It would be nice to see the Clippers and Grizzlies go on a bit of a run soon.

Also, in terms of West standings, the 9th place Jazz have 14 wins and everyone above them obviously have more than 14. Lakers are 11th place with 10 wins. The Lakers have played 1-3 games less than most teams, but another few losses and I could legitimately see them Bottom-3 in the West at least. Only Bulls, Hawks worse than LAL in terms of wins in the East, but Bulls going on a run lately.

Basically, hope LAL loses more to end the month and stay stagnant around 10-11 wins.  ;D

Yeah they need to go on a losing streak through the New Year basically
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticSooner on December 20, 2017, 08:38:18 PM
The West dropping off a cliff overall certainly isn't helping the pick.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on December 20, 2017, 08:41:58 PM
The Lakers are currently blasting the Rockets
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticSooner on December 20, 2017, 08:47:27 PM
How great does that Lakers/Net trade look for them now? Kuzma is pretty pretty good.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Rondo9 on December 20, 2017, 08:50:26 PM
How great does that Lakers/Net trade look for them now? Kuzma is pretty pretty good.

Will they make the playoffs?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticSooner on December 20, 2017, 08:53:04 PM
How great does that Lakers/Net trade look for them now? Kuzma is pretty pretty good.

Will they make the playoffs?

No chance way too young.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Neurotic Guy on December 20, 2017, 09:08:27 PM
Thankfully it appears Rockets have awakened.  Down only 4 at the half.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: kraidstar on December 20, 2017, 10:14:03 PM
Rockets are down 8,  playing like the Celtics again   >:(
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticSooner on December 20, 2017, 10:17:59 PM
Man what a crap night.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: trickybilly on December 20, 2017, 10:28:56 PM
The Lakers have such a great young lineup.

Bogut came in cold and was great.

They just have so many scorers. Like at least 7 legitimate scorers off the dribble. I think I am ready to throw in the towel, barring several injuries....
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 20, 2017, 10:38:17 PM
Rockets lose
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on December 20, 2017, 10:39:50 PM
such a terrible night
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticSooner on December 20, 2017, 10:55:25 PM
The Lakers have such a great young lineup.

Bogut came in cold and was great.

They just have so many scorers. Like at least 7 legitimate scorers off the dribble. I think I am ready to throw in the towel, barring several injuries....

This was supposed to be a good month for the pick. I’m very close to throwing in the towel myself. They rarely get blown out which is a bad sign.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on December 20, 2017, 10:56:37 PM
Chicago (10-20) has now won seven straight, beating the Magic 112-94.
Dallas (9-23) beat Detroit 110-93.
Kings (11-20) beat the Nets 104-99.
Someone has to win the ongoing Clippers Suns game.

 :)

Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 20, 2017, 11:04:14 PM
At least Chicago Dallas and sactown salvaged the night. Whoever wins the clips and nets will be a win for us too
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on December 20, 2017, 11:20:30 PM
10 teams have between 9 and 11 wins.  8 teams have 11 wins.  Lakers have 18 losses tied with the Jazz and Clippers.  The lottery is very crowded.  They are all pretty close.  Hopefully they trade Clarkson and Randle.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: LakersFan_33 on December 21, 2017, 01:15:19 AM
We lost so many close games, and games where we had double-digit leads, that we were bound to win against a good team at some point.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 21, 2017, 01:39:20 AM
10 teams have between 9 and 11 wins.  8 teams have 11 wins.  Lakers have 18 losses tied with the Jazz and Clippers.  The lottery is very crowded.  They are all pretty close.  Hopefully they trade Clarkson and Randle.
im not a fan of comparing team wins, because some (like nets and clippers) don’t have as many losses as other teams
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Rondo9 on December 21, 2017, 02:16:13 AM
Ehh I wouldn’t worry too much.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: JBcat on December 21, 2017, 09:23:42 AM
It is fascinating to watch so many teams cluttered together at the bottom, and to see how this all shakes out.

10 teams in the 9 to 12 win area, and the Hawks on an island by themselves.  You have teams currently going in opposite directions like the Magic and Bulls.

I estimate the Lakers will finish around 30 wins, but if they suffer significant injuries and/or trade off Clarkson and Randle for more cap space it might be more like 25 wins.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on December 21, 2017, 11:25:40 AM
I think I’ll be happy either way. Next years draft will be loaded with probably two high school classes.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: footey on December 21, 2017, 11:39:05 AM
Kuzma was a great pick, making up for the over-hyped expectations on Ball.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: libermaniac on December 21, 2017, 12:18:00 PM
Kuzma was a great pick, making up for the over-hyped expectations on Ball.
What hurts the most about the Kuzma pick is that he was selected with the pick the Lakers got from Brooklyn, which they got from the Celtics.  Doh!  Had there not been a rule where a team can't trade their 1st rounder in consecutive years, perhaps Ainge would've held on to that pick as well.  One can only dream, right?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 21, 2017, 12:25:05 PM
Yup. Kuzma could have been a Celtic if we didn’t do the pick swap or whatever it was with the nets. Lol. Crazy to think about


I hate kuzma and the lakers
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on December 21, 2017, 12:32:23 PM
The BKN pick watch was always so much more fun than making the actual pick itself. They're still in the mix. Sure they have pulled off several upsets just like BKN 16-17, but they also have losses to a depleted Clippers team, Phoenix, and Sacramento.

The Wolves, just as talented as LAL, tied for sixth-worst last year and fifth-worst the year before that.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: LakersFan_33 on December 22, 2017, 01:53:29 PM
I got Simmons and Tatum as 1 & 2 as rookies. Do you guys think Kuzma could make a case at being #3? He's a lot more efficient than Mitchell, that's why I might put him there. I think he just needs to improve his defense a little bit, but I dont see too many other problems right now.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on December 22, 2017, 02:04:23 PM
I got Simmons and Tatum as 1 & 2 as rookies. Do you guys think Kuzma could make a case at being #3? He's a lot more efficient than Mitchell, that's why I might put him there. I think he just needs to improve his defense a little bit, but I dont see too many other problems right now.

Presently yes, but I still wonder about his long-term upside compared with other guys.

It seems like Kuzma may have come into the NBA with a ready-made game. He may improve, but I don't think his improvement will be as great as Simmons, Tatum, Fultz, Mitchell, Fox, and Smith. Markannen, Monk, Jackson, and Anunoby may improve to be better overall players as well.

Don't get me wrong -- Kuzma has been really, really good. Amazing pick and great value at 27, but I think this draft class has amazing upside and talent.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: LakersFan_33 on December 22, 2017, 02:07:33 PM
Hmmm...same age argument was made with Dame. Fair enough, I guess.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on December 22, 2017, 02:30:08 PM
Hmmm...same age argument was made with Dame. Fair enough, I guess.

Damian Lillard?
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: Monkhouse on December 22, 2017, 03:42:41 PM
Hmmm...same age argument was made with Dame. Fair enough, I guess.

I can sort of see that.

While there were concerns about his potential to have a higher ceiling, scouts were already impressed by his high scoring output, hence being drafted at 6th... The same age argument doesn't count with Kuzma, because he was drafted late, and while he was considered a sleeper pick, I don't think anyone knew he was gonna be this good.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on December 22, 2017, 10:41:38 PM
Clippers just beat the Rockets 128-118. Record now 13-18.

Lakers lost to Golden State and are now 11-19.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: slightly biased bias fan on December 23, 2017, 03:34:25 AM
Clippers just beat the Rockets 128-118. Record now 13-18.

Lakers lost to Golden State and are now 11-19.

Jordan Bell went off, the guy is a stud. He is already one of my favourite players (along with McCaw) and could have been gotten for cash only.

Golden State have to be the gold standard in history at drafting players, even over San Antonio. Warriors drafted Thompson at 11, Green at 35, Bell at 38, McCaw at 38 and even Barnes and Curry were steals at their draft position.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: GreenEnvy on December 23, 2017, 06:25:49 AM
Clippers just beat the Rockets 128-118. Record now 13-18.

Lakers lost to Golden State and are now 11-19.

Jordan Bell went off, the guy is a stud. He is already one of my favourite players (along with McCaw) and could have been gotten for cash only.

Golden State have to be the gold standard in history at drafting players, even over San Antonio. Warriors drafted Thompson at 11, Green at 35, Bell at 38, McCaw at 38 and even Barnes and Curry were steals at their draft position.

I’m curious as to whether the players you mentioned fell to them, or they reached and they nailed it?

People mention Deandre Jordan all the time, but many teams passed on him. I give more credit for taking a guy like, say, Rozier way before anyone had him (just using him as an example, he wasn’t what I would call a steal at 16).

I’m sure GSW has a great scouting system, but SAS have been doing it forever.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on December 23, 2017, 12:12:32 PM
Lillard is out tonight @ LAL (11-19) with a hamstring strain.

Other win-win games:

DAL (9-24) @ ATL (7-25)
LAC (13-18) @ MEM (9-23)
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: JBcat on December 23, 2017, 01:39:27 PM
Kuzma is playing out of his mind.  3 straight games of at least 25 points.  That hasn’t been done by a Lakers rookie since 1961.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on December 23, 2017, 05:48:30 PM
Kuzma is playing out of his mind.  3 straight games of at least 25 points.  That hasn’t been done by a Lakers rookie since 1961.

Kuzma looked great in Summer League and he hasn't let up. That kid puts it all out there.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on December 23, 2017, 06:03:02 PM
The Lakers a way better than I thought they would be this year.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on December 23, 2017, 07:09:31 PM
Ingram out tonight with injuries to both of his quads. With Lopez and KCP also out, that should do the job.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: nickagneta on December 23, 2017, 09:25:15 PM
If the Lakers go on a good 5-7 game losing streak from here on....there's a good chance they are about the third worst record in the league at that point.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: liam on December 23, 2017, 10:41:06 PM
Ingram out tonight with injuries to both of his quads. With Lopez and KCP also out, that should do the job.

Damian Lillard is also out.

Lakers up 5 at the half.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: jpotter33 on December 23, 2017, 11:43:59 PM
Harkless!
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: konkmv on December 23, 2017, 11:51:50 PM
They lost... I expect them to trade some players soon to create space for next year
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: CelticsElite on December 24, 2017, 12:09:45 AM
Boom back to 7
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: chilidawg on December 24, 2017, 10:12:49 AM
tied for 5th in the win column at 11.  I like our chances.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-20, 8th Slot on 12/24)
Post by: Phantom255x on December 24, 2017, 10:51:39 AM
So are the Grizzlies going to try and make a run soon, or just settle on a tank...

Would be nice if the Hornets, Nets, Suns could go on a little 2 game winning streak or something soon lol.

I think the Bulls will keep the good stretch going for a while, despite two straight L's to the two top East teams.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-20, 8th Slot on 12/24)
Post by: jambr380 on December 24, 2017, 11:09:51 AM
So are the Grizzlies going to try and make a run soon, or just settle on a tank...

Would be nice if the Hornets, Nets, Suns could go on a little 2 game winning streak or something soon lol.

I think the Bulls will keep the good stretch going for a while, despite two straight L's to the two top East teams.

I am not too worried about the Grizz - Conley will be back soon and should help elevate that team out of the NBA's lowest tier. Charlotte should also be a much better team.

I agree about the Bulls. Last night notwithstanding, they have been an incredibly solid group since Mirotic returned.

The Lakers are a bad, but not horrible team, though - we are going to need some good fortune for that pick to convey. At least we still have something to shoot for!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-20, 8th Slot on 12/24)
Post by: Phantom255x on December 24, 2017, 11:27:18 AM
So are the Grizzlies going to try and make a run soon, or just settle on a tank...

Would be nice if the Hornets, Nets, Suns could go on a little 2 game winning streak or something soon lol.

I think the Bulls will keep the good stretch going for a while, despite two straight L's to the two top East teams.


I am not too worried about the Grizz - Conley will be back soon and should help elevate that team out of the NBA's lowest tier. Charlotte should also be a much better team.

I agree about the Bulls. Last night notwithstanding, they have been an incredibly solid group since Mirotic returned.

The Lakers are a bad, but not horrible team, though - we are going to need some good fortune for that pick to convey. At least we still have something to shoot for!

Yep.

I think if it goes as expected and Hornets, Grizzlies and Bulls go above LAL, then there will be just 4 teams worse than them (DAL, ATL, PHO, SAC), in which case, maybe hope 1 or 2 of those teams overachieve late in the season?

As you said, it's going to also come down to some luck and fortune, and of course, Lakers losing a ton! I think it's not crazy to imagine this team finishing with just around 25 wins, especially once they trade away Clarkson and/or Randle (at deadline) to clear up some cap space for the summer.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-20, 8th Slot on 12/24)
Post by: rondofan1255 on December 24, 2017, 07:52:00 PM
Looks like Lonzo will miss this week, which includes 12/27 vs. MEM and 12/29 vs. LAC.

Quote
MRI exam on Lonzo Ball’s left shoulder reveals a sprain. Ball will miss the Christmas Day game vs. Minnesota and get re-evaluated in a week.

https://twitter.com/Mike_Bresnahan/status/945071666161315840
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-20, 8th Slot on 12/24)
Post by: trickybilly on December 24, 2017, 10:55:55 PM
Looks like Lonzo will miss this week, which includes 12/27 vs. MEM and 12/29 vs. LAC.

Quote
MRI exam on Lonzo Ball’s left shoulder reveals a sprain. Ball will miss the Christmas Day game vs. Minnesota and get re-evaluated in a week.

https://twitter.com/Mike_Bresnahan/status/945071666161315840

Feels like this hurts the pick. Lonzo, whilst an undeserving pariah, seems to hurt the Lakers when he is on the floor...
Title: Are the Lakers imploding? players pouting and frustrated.
Post by: CelticsElite on December 25, 2017, 03:54:16 AM
  ;D

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21862877/luke-walton-says-los-angeles-lakers-play-professionals-loss-portland-trail-blazers
Title: Re: Are the Lakers imploding? players pouting and frustrated.
Post by: hodgy03038 on December 25, 2017, 09:09:46 AM
Why is Bogut even on that team? Bogus Bogut. What were his motives in playing for them?
Title: Re: Are the Lakers imploding? players pouting and frustrated.
Post by: Birdman on December 25, 2017, 09:18:41 AM
Bogut should had sign with the Celtics..his loss
Title: Re: Are the Lakers imploding? players pouting and frustrated.
Post by: Roy H. on December 25, 2017, 09:54:04 AM
Why is Bogut even on that team? Bogus Bogut. What were his motives in playing for them?

Presumed playing time, better weather, a closer proximity to Australia and familiarity with Walton’s system.
Title: Re: Are the Lakers imploding? players pouting and frustrated.
Post by: Phantom255x on December 25, 2017, 11:19:12 AM
I'm honestly not surprised, and thought it was bound to happen.

They obviously won't admit it publicly, but the players have to be feeling irritated at all the media coverage and hype Lonzo gets, despite Kuzma looking WAY better at the moment.

Also, you have Clarkson and Randle at the center of trade talks almost every day now, despite what they've done for the team.

Hell, the Lakers had to have a meeting with LaVar for him to tone it down with his criticism of Luke Walton  :laugh:

So obviously, some players are pouting and frustrated, and of course the losses only add to that "fuel".
Title: Re: Are the Lakers imploding? players pouting and frustrated.
Post by: nickagneta on December 25, 2017, 01:40:58 PM
Seems like a toxic situation, especially for young players. The rumors are swirling about trades to dump salary, all the media coverage is on the teams youngest player who isn't even close to being their top young player, injuries, tons of youth, tons of scrappiness with little in the way of wins to show for it.

This team could be getting ready for a nice collapse.😁
Title: Re: Are the Lakers imploding? players pouting and frustrated.
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on December 25, 2017, 01:53:39 PM
Jordan Clarkson has always been the type to get his.
Julius Randle is frustrated that he is producing well but getting less and less of a role.
Lonzo Ball gets a ton of coverage, even though they are often better without him on the court.
Kyle Kuzma is cocky and rubs some guys the wrong way.
Luol Deng is making a ton of money but getting no playing time.
Corey Brewer trying to prove he's still got it.
Bogut is a warm body, but largely unproductive.
Lopez has always been a talented scorer, but hurts his team on the glass and defense, and is playing for his next contract.

You can see why there are chemistry problems.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-20, 8th Slot on 12/24)
Post by: CelticsElite on December 26, 2017, 12:36:06 AM
Wolves pulling away
Title: Re: Are the Lakers imploding? players pouting and frustrated.
Post by: CelticsElite on December 26, 2017, 12:36:32 AM
Jordan Clarkson has always been the type to get his.
Julius Randle is frustrated that he is producing well but getting less and less of a role.
Lonzo Ball gets a ton of coverage, even though they are often better without him on the court.
Kyle Kuzma is cocky and rubs some guys the wrong way.
Luol Deng is making a ton of money but getting no playing time.
Corey Brewer trying to prove he's still got it.
Bogut is a warm body, but largely unproductive.
Lopez has always been a talented scorer, but hurts his team on the glass and defense, and is playing for his next contract.

You can see why there are chemistry problems.
tp
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-20, 8th Slot on 12/24)
Post by: SparzWizard on December 26, 2017, 12:55:59 AM
Wolves dismantled Lakers 121-104.

Taj Gibson was just killing it at the end.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-20, 8th Slot on 12/24)
Post by: CelticsElite on December 26, 2017, 01:02:24 AM
Wolves dismantled Lakers 121-104.

Taj Gibson was just killing it at the end.
loved every minute of the wolves winning. Great consolation prize for the night that’s for sure
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-20, 8th Slot on 12/24)
Post by: Adelaide Celt on December 26, 2017, 01:18:50 AM
No doubt they're a mediocre team of mismatched parts. I still feel like they're one step above where we need them to be. We need them to be a step below mediocre. It will take a lot of good fortune to get that pick but I'm just happy we can want them to lose every game again now.

Needing them to win for the sake of losing their own pick and improving the Nets pick was unpalatable to say the least.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-20, 8th Slot on 12/24)
Post by: SparzWizard on December 26, 2017, 02:54:42 AM
Wolves dismantled Lakers 121-104.

Taj Gibson was just killing it at the end.
loved every minute of the wolves winning. Great consolation prize for the night that’s for sure

Hey if the Celtics lost on Christmas, gotta make sure LeBron and the Lakers both lose too so it softens the blow lol.
Title: Re: Are the Lakers imploding? players pouting and frustrated.
Post by: konkmv on December 26, 2017, 03:19:31 AM
Kuzma is better than ball but all are talking about ball... randle  and Clarkson are good players but they will be traded for space... Lopez bogut have no future there..  they will end somewhere between 4-9... we will see
Title: Re: Are the Lakers imploding? players pouting and frustrated.
Post by: moiso on December 26, 2017, 05:48:41 AM
Kuzma is better than ball but all are talking about ball... randle  and Clarkson are good players but they will be traded for space... Lopez bogut have no future there..  they will end somewhere between 4-9... we will see
Now they say that they will wait until the season is over to trade Clarkson.
Title: Re: Are the Lakers imploding? players pouting and frustrated.
Post by: Celtics4ever on December 26, 2017, 07:28:12 AM
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Kyle Kuzma is cocky and rubs some guys the wrong way.

He also can play.

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Bogut should had sign with the Celtics..his loss

I am glad he didn't. 

It's LA and I hope it tears their team apart.  As for the pouting the Lakers have a long history of pouting and culturally it is part of their team.
Title: Re: Are the Lakers imploding? players pouting and frustrated.
Post by: Redz on December 26, 2017, 07:53:47 AM
It breaks my heart to see them like this  ;D
Title: Re: Are the Lakers imploding? players pouting and frustrated.
Post by: Who on December 26, 2017, 08:02:09 AM
They need a real PG. Need to move Ball to SG. They need more dribble penetration and playmaking in the halfcourt than Ball can provide. Keeping Ball at PG is making life harder for everyone else on the team.
Title: Re: Are the Lakers imploding? players pouting and frustrated.
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 26, 2017, 08:27:25 AM
It breaks my heart to see them like this  ;D


you ll get over it  :)
Title: Re: Are the Lakers imploding? players pouting and frustrated.
Post by: Sketch5 on December 26, 2017, 09:39:41 AM
It breaks my heart to see them like this  ;D

Nothing pick 2-5 in this years lottery wouldn't fix. :D
Title: Re: Are the Lakers imploding? players pouting and frustrated.
Post by: Celtics4ever on December 26, 2017, 10:49:19 AM
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They need a real PG. Need to move Ball to SG


34.9% FG  29% from the three.  48% from the three  10 PPG.  Ball would make a great SG for LA.
Title: Re: Are the Lakers imploding? players pouting and frustrated.
Post by: KGs Knee on December 26, 2017, 11:02:56 AM
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They need a real PG. Need to move Ball to SG


34.9% FG  29% from the three.  48% from the three  10 PPG.  Ball would make a great SG for LA.

Yeah, that was a rather bizarre statement.

Lonzo would be even worse as a SG. You cannot play a player like him off the ball. He literally brings absolutely nothing to the game on the offensive side of court when the ball is not in his hands.
Title: Re: Are the Lakers imploding? players pouting and frustrated.
Post by: Who on December 26, 2017, 11:11:40 AM
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They need a real PG. Need to move Ball to SG


34.9% FG  29% from the three.  48% from the three  10 PPG.  Ball would make a great SG for LA.

Yeah, that was a rather bizarre statement.

Lonzo would be even worse as a SG. You cannot play a player like him off the ball. He literally brings absolutely nothing to the game on the offensive side of court when the ball is not in his hands.

Ball gives them a secondary ball-handler and facilitator at SG. He still gives them all of his value in transition play at SG.

What it adds LAL is that it gives them a true dribble penetration threat which they currently lack in that starting lineup. As a result, everything they do is in front of a set defense. They do not move the opposition defense well enough. Without a defense scrambling = more contested shots. More contested jump-shots. That is because of Ball at PG. Move Ball to SG and LAL would get much higher percentage shots in the half-court.

Ball would be a major weapon in transition and as a secondary playmaker. Very rare to have a SG with his passing ability and ball-handling. He would be a weapon there. Just a different kind of weapon (not scorer/shooter).

Same type of weapon Ball is at PG really. Just at SG and with a better lineup configuration for the rest of the team to operate.
Title: Re: Are the Lakers imploding? players pouting and frustrated.
Post by: KGs Knee on December 26, 2017, 11:31:53 AM
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They need a real PG. Need to move Ball to SG


34.9% FG  29% from the three.  48% from the three  10 PPG.  Ball would make a great SG for LA.

Yeah, that was a rather bizarre statement.

Lonzo would be even worse as a SG. You cannot play a player like him off the ball. He literally brings absolutely nothing to the game on the offensive side of court when the ball is not in his hands.

Ball gives them a secondary ball-handler and facilitator at SG. He still gives them all of his value in transition play at SG.

What it adds LAL is that it gives them a true dribble penetration threat which they currently lack in that starting lineup. As a result, everything they do is in front of a set defense. They do not move the opposition defense well enough. Without a defense scrambling = more contested shots. More contested jump-shots. That is because of Ball at PG. Move Ball to SG and LAL would get much higher percentage shots in the half-court.

Ball would be a major weapon in transition and as a secondary playmaker. Very rare to have a SG with his passing ability and ball-handling. He would be a weapon there. Just a different kind of weapon (not scorer/shooter).

Same type of weapon Ball is at PG really. Just at SG and with a better lineup configuration for the rest of the team to operate.

Whatever gains the Lakers saw in transition would be lost ten fold in the half-court. You can't have a player like him playing off the ball because a defense can just park their big in the paint.

GSW did this to Tony Allen a few years back and it basically rendered TA unplayable in that series.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-20, 8th Slot on 12/24)
Post by: CelticsElite on December 26, 2017, 11:47:41 AM
Wolves dismantled Lakers 121-104.

Taj Gibson was just killing it at the end.
loved every minute of the wolves winning. Great consolation prize for the night that’s for sure

Hey if the Celtics lost on Christmas, gotta make sure LeBron and the Lakers both lose too so it softens the blow lol.
lol
Title: Re: Are the Lakers imploding? players pouting and frustrated.
Post by: Who on December 26, 2017, 12:02:52 PM
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They need a real PG. Need to move Ball to SG


34.9% FG  29% from the three.  48% from the three  10 PPG.  Ball would make a great SG for LA.

Yeah, that was a rather bizarre statement.

Lonzo would be even worse as a SG. You cannot play a player like him off the ball. He literally brings absolutely nothing to the game on the offensive side of court when the ball is not in his hands.

Ball gives them a secondary ball-handler and facilitator at SG. He still gives them all of his value in transition play at SG.

What it adds LAL is that it gives them a true dribble penetration threat which they currently lack in that starting lineup. As a result, everything they do is in front of a set defense. They do not move the opposition defense well enough. Without a defense scrambling = more contested shots. More contested jump-shots. That is because of Ball at PG. Move Ball to SG and LAL would get much higher percentage shots in the half-court.

Ball would be a major weapon in transition and as a secondary playmaker. Very rare to have a SG with his passing ability and ball-handling. He would be a weapon there. Just a different kind of weapon (not scorer/shooter).

Same type of weapon Ball is at PG really. Just at SG and with a better lineup configuration for the rest of the team to operate.

Whatever gains the Lakers saw in transition would be lost ten fold in the half-court. You can't have a player like him playing off the ball because a defense can just park their big in the paint.

GSW did this to Tony Allen a few years back and it basically rendered TA unplayable in that series.

It is the same as Smart on offense at SG.

And Ball is even more skillful as a passer and ball-handler than Smart is.

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Edit: Neither player (Smart, Ball) is like TA because of their skills as a ball-handler and passer. They are both much more of a threat than TA.

LA can still get Ball plenty of touches as a ball-handler and playmaker at SG without needing him to be the primary ball-handler all the time. Like Boston does with Smart. Like GSW can do with Draymond Green. Ball will still be a threat as a playmaker at SG. He will not stand in the corner all the time and he will not be the primary playmaker all the time (as he is in LA's starting unit).
Title: Re: Are the Lakers imploding? players pouting and frustrated.
Post by: KGs Knee on December 26, 2017, 12:34:48 PM
It is the same as Smart on offense at SG.

And Ball is even more skillful as a passer and ball-handler than Smart is.

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Edit: Neither player (Smart, Ball) is like TA because of their skills as a ball-handler and passer. They are both much more of a threat than TA.


You're right, Marcus Smart is a better comparison, and Smart is atrocious on offense when he isn't the primary ball-handler.

Another good comparison would be a younger Rajon Rondo. Lonzo Ball will be lucky to ever become half the shooter Rondo is. And I don't think anyone has ever tried to claim playing Rondo at SG would be a good idea.
Title: Re: Are the Lakers imploding? players pouting and frustrated.
Post by: Who on December 26, 2017, 01:09:47 PM
It is the same as Smart on offense at SG.

And Ball is even more skillful as a passer and ball-handler than Smart is.

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Edit: Neither player (Smart, Ball) is like TA because of their skills as a ball-handler and passer. They are both much more of a threat than TA.


You're right, Marcus Smart is a better comparison, and Smart is atrocious on offense when he isn't the primary ball-handler.

Another good comparison would be a younger Rajon Rondo. Lonzo Ball will be lucky to ever become half the shooter Rondo is. And I don't think anyone has ever tried to claim playing Rondo at SG would be a good idea.

I don't think Ball has the quickness to get by his man and into the paint as Rondo did (to get opponent's defense off balance, force help defense actions). That is why I do not think Ball can have the same success as Rondo at PG and why I think Ball will be better off as a SG and secondary playmaker ... rather than someone like Rondo who you can run a large chunk of your offense through because Ball does not have that dribble penetration to shoulder as much responsibility on offense as Rondo did.

That is also why I would compare Ball more to Smart than Rondo.
Title: Re: Are the Lakers imploding? players pouting and frustrated.
Post by: CelticsElite on December 26, 2017, 02:03:24 PM
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They need a real PG. Need to move Ball to SG


34.9% FG  29% from the three.  48% from the three  10 PPG.  Ball would make a great SG for LA.

Yeah, that was a rather bizarre statement.

Lonzo would be even worse as a SG. You cannot play a player like him off the ball. He literally brings absolutely nothing to the game on the offensive side of court when the ball is not in his hands.
there are some people who think height dictates position lol
Title: Re: Are the Lakers imploding? players pouting and frustrated.
Post by: Moranis on December 26, 2017, 02:07:12 PM
I have a hard time believing a bad team can actually implode. 
Title: Re: Are the Lakers imploding? players pouting and frustrated.
Post by: nickagneta on December 26, 2017, 02:36:40 PM
Merging this with Lakers Season thread.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-20, 8th Slot on 12/24)
Post by: nickagneta on December 26, 2017, 02:41:53 PM
Just because Ball isn't going to the basket this year doesn't mean he is incapable of it. I hold a lot more hope that Ball can become an average to great penetrator who finishes or dishes than an above average to great outside shooter. Keep Ball at PG and let him grow. He has only played less than a half season.
Title: Re: Are the Lakers imploding? players pouting and frustrated.
Post by: csfansince60s on December 26, 2017, 09:17:47 PM
  ;D

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21862877/luke-walton-says-los-angeles-lakers-play-professionals-loss-portland-trail-blazers

TP, CelticsElite about the thread on them imploding. I liked it.

But it's not just the team imploding, it's the fans too.

Check this tweet out on their SBNation site, Silver Screen and Roll's twitter:
https://twitter.com/LakersSBN/status/945533904697532416/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbasketball.realgm.com%2Fnba%2Fteams%2FBoston_Celtics%2F2%2FHome

Great stuff!!!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-20, 8th Slot on 12/24)
Post by: rondofan1255 on December 26, 2017, 09:29:52 PM
Just saw the final 10.2 seconds of Dallas beating the Raptors to move to 10-25. Lonzo's shooting fwiw hasn't been as bad the last few weeks...

Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: trickybilly on December 26, 2017, 10:15:39 PM
Mirotic playing like an all-star

Pick looking great


Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: CelticSooner on December 26, 2017, 10:19:36 PM
Man the separation between 2-11 is crazy right now lol Going to be a wild ride to watch  ;D
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: jpotter33 on December 26, 2017, 11:21:00 PM
Good night for the pick - Bulls and Mavs win with guaranteed wins coming from two of Phoenix, Memphis, Sacramento, and LAC.

Not sure which two I want to win. My brain says Memphis and LAC, since they should comfortably stay ahead of LAL once Conley and Griffin return. But my heart says Phoenix and Sacramento to potentially push LAL even closer to the bottom!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: rondofan1255 on December 26, 2017, 11:45:26 PM
Two wild dunks to end this. Thankfully no OT since Memphis plays LAL tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: MattyIce on December 26, 2017, 11:47:27 PM
Two wild dunks to end this. Thankfully no OT since Memphis plays LAL tomorrow.

hope they take it out on fakers tomorrow!  get em
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on December 27, 2017, 12:06:52 AM
If Memphis beats LA tomorrow and the Bulls best the Knicks, the Lakers will be at the 4th slot and only a loss away from the 3rd slot if I am not mistaken.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: SparzWizard on December 27, 2017, 12:07:53 AM
Any Lakers loss is a Celtics win. Let that sink in  8)
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: JBcat on December 27, 2017, 12:31:38 AM
I’m worried about the Magic now finishing below the Lakers.   Vuvecic is out for a while and it seems like the bottom has really fallen out for them after a strong start.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: CelticsElite on December 27, 2017, 01:03:38 AM
Suns won with instrumental plays from bender and chandler
 
Mavs, bulls, and clippers also won

Bulls very close to having a better record than Lakers. If you said this 1.5 Months, everyone would call you crazy
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: CelticsElite on December 27, 2017, 01:25:26 AM
Doc Rivers says Blake Griffin getting close to return, could play Friday vs. Lakers
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: trickybilly on December 27, 2017, 03:16:23 AM
I said a month ago that I didn't think this pick would convey given how hard the young Lakers play, and how good Kyle Kuzma is. But after watching Dallas (Dirk is still really handy) win, the Nets battling every week, Mirotic making the Bulls look like a playoff contender, the Suns kids all coming on nicely (Len, Booker, Chriss, even Bender is looking more and more like a true NBA player), and Sac's shooters getting hot randomly, I have re-kindled faith.

Memphis seriously need to turn the corner soon right?? RIggghtt???

And JBCat, I think Orlando will still win many many more games at home. I'm worried about the wheels falling off in Utah, and Atanta are still going to lose a HEAP of games to come.

My prediction is (from the bottom) Atlanta, Sac, Suns, Utah, Lakers
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: GreenShooter on December 27, 2017, 06:43:25 AM
I said a month ago that I didn't think this pick would convey given how hard the young Lakers play, and how good Kyle Kuzma is. But after watching Dallas (Dirk is still really handy) win, the Nets battling every week, Mirotic making the Bulls look like a playoff contender, the Suns kids all coming on nicely (Len, Booker, Chriss, even Bender is looking more and more like a true NBA player), and Sac's shooters getting hot randomly, I have re-kindled faith.

Memphis seriously need to turn the corner soon right?? RIggghtt???

And JBCat, I think Orlando will still win many many more games at home. I'm worried about the wheels falling off in Utah, and Atanta are still going to lose a HEAP of games to come.

My prediction is (from the bottom) Atlanta, Sac, Suns, Utah, Lakers
I'd like to see Utah (I think they're much better when Rudy gets back) jump ahead of LA in this scenario. If so, I'm all in for the 4th pick in the draft.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: Phantom255x on December 27, 2017, 11:02:34 AM
The next few games will be real interesting.

Lakers play two home games vs. Memphis and the Clippers, both teams are pretty much in the same range record-wise in the standings.

I feel Memphis will get on track soon, and Chicago should leap Lakers in the coming days.

Ultimately, teams like ATL, DAL, ORL will be the wild cards. I want to say ORL could leap them, but we'll have to see with their injuries (especially to Vucevic). Oh, and hopefully PHO keeps winning.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: jpotter33 on December 27, 2017, 09:17:07 PM
Dallas beat Indy tonight, which is another big win for the pick. Hopefully Chicago can make it another win tonight against NY, too.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: chilidawg on December 27, 2017, 09:19:10 PM
Dallas win gets them tied with LA in the win column, only Hawks and Grizzlies have fewer wins.  Go Grizz!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: nickagneta on December 27, 2017, 09:26:40 PM
Dallas beat Indy tonight, which is another big win for the pick. Hopefully Chicago can make it another win tonight against NY, too.
More importantly, we need a Memphis win tonight.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: CelticsElite on December 27, 2017, 09:31:29 PM
memphis would be huge.

if memphis, sacramento, chicago all win, the lakers will tumble hard.
 
bonus wins are if utah or atlanta win. we dont need them to but would be nice
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: BlastFromThePast on December 27, 2017, 09:58:05 PM
memphis would be huge.

if memphis, sacramento, chicago all win, the lakers will tumble hard.
 
bonus wins are if utah or atlanta win. we dont need them to but would be nice

1 bonus win in the books.  Hawks beat the Wiz.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: jpotter33 on December 27, 2017, 10:08:09 PM
Bulls take the lead with a minute to go!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: trickybilly on December 27, 2017, 10:17:19 PM
Wow. Now the Bulls win another one!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: BlastFromThePast on December 27, 2017, 10:21:49 PM
While not the subject of this thread, the Thunder are handing it to the Raptors (up by 18 with 6 1/2 mins to play).
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: CelticSooner on December 27, 2017, 10:31:40 PM
Even the Hawks won tonight. A Lakers loss would definitely cap it off.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: CelticsElite on December 27, 2017, 10:45:56 PM
Bulls and hawks did their job


Thunder beat the overrated raptors haha


Kings looking decent and grizz start off their game with 2 pt lead
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: CelticsElite on December 27, 2017, 11:04:47 PM
Also the bulls pushed the lakers down to 6th

http://www.tankathon.com

If sac town and grizz  can pull off a victory, Lakers fall to 5th.
If grizz lose, Lakers move all the way up to 10
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: saltlover on December 27, 2017, 11:18:56 PM
Also the bulls pushed the lakers down to 6th

http://www.tankathon.com

If sac town and grizz  can pull off a victory, Lakers fall to 5th.
If grizz lose, Lakers move all the way up to 10

It’s crazy how bunched 2-10 is at the bottom nearly halfway through the season.  You’d think a couple of teams would show some separation at the bottom, but that just hasn’t happened at all.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: trickybilly on December 27, 2017, 11:22:31 PM
Ingram is such a beast. He has Jaylen's pace, strength and athleticism combined with Jayson's grace, ball-handling, and guile.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: gouki88 on December 27, 2017, 11:41:12 PM
Ingram is such a beast. He has Jaylen's pace, strength and athleticism combined with Jayson's grace, ball-handling, and guile.
What Brandon Ingram are you watching? Rofl ::)
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: rondofan1255 on December 27, 2017, 11:42:10 PM
Grizzlies up 54-47 at halftime.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: saltlover on December 27, 2017, 11:57:24 PM
Grizzlies up 54-47 at halftime.

And the kings are up 14 in the 4th vs. Cleveland.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: CelticSooner on December 27, 2017, 11:58:34 PM
Man everything is coming up Milhouse tonight. Cavs getting scorched in Sacramento.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: jpotter33 on December 27, 2017, 11:58:55 PM
Kings taking it to the Cavs up 14 in the 4th!

Could we actually sweep the night with Atlanta, Dallas, Chicago, Sacramento, and Memphis wins and a LA loss?!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: rondofan1255 on December 28, 2017, 12:27:15 AM
Tied 76-76 going into the fourth!! That Kobi chant mentioned by commentator cracked me up
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: trickybilly on December 28, 2017, 12:30:16 AM
Kings taking it to the Cavs up 14 in the 4th!

Could we actually sweep the night with Atlanta, Dallas, Chicago, Sacramento, and Memphis wins and a LA loss?!

Not to mention Raps lose, Cavs lose. That number 1 playoff seed could come in handy. Especially if we can have Gordy back somehow. P.S. Still feels weird that Gordon Hayward is a Boston Celtic
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: CelticsElite on December 28, 2017, 12:36:42 AM
loving how sactown got the win. come on grizz
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: trickybilly on December 28, 2017, 12:51:45 AM
Gasol looking awful this game. Martin, Ennis, Davis all look great. Tyreke ballin out..
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: CelticSooner on December 28, 2017, 12:53:39 AM
Gasol looking awful this game. Martin, Ennis, Davis all look great. Tyreke ballin out..

He looks slow as hell. Should be destroying this weak Laker frontcourt.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: CelticSooner on December 28, 2017, 01:01:26 AM
Great night  8)
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: ETNCeltics on December 28, 2017, 01:05:41 AM
5th worst record, and only one team has fewer wins than LAL as we approach the midpoint of the season.

Legitimate chance to add another young cornerstone next summer.
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on December 28, 2017, 01:07:22 AM
The Lakers have such a great young lineup.

Bogut came in cold and was great.

They just have so many scorers. Like at least 7 legitimate scorers off the dribble. I think I am ready to throw in the towel, barring several injuries....

Not so fast, my friend  :D
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: kraidstar on December 28, 2017, 01:16:25 AM
Great night  8)

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Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: ETNCeltics on December 28, 2017, 01:16:43 AM
He's right, they do have a lot of good scorers, but they also play dreadful defense, have a difficult schedule, and they have their best PG and best big man in secondary roles while they cultivate rookies.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: trickybilly on December 28, 2017, 01:30:50 AM
5th worst record, and only one team has fewer wins than LAL as we approach the midpoint of the season.

Legitimate chance to add another young cornerstone next summer.

Now it looks like there are maybe even up to 7 Tier One prospects!

Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: MattyIce on December 28, 2017, 01:35:43 AM
5th worst record, and only one team has fewer wins than LAL as we approach the midpoint of the season.

Legitimate chance to add another young cornerstone next summer.

Now it looks like there are maybe even up to 7 Tier One prospects!

yup, i wish it was 2-6, but i'm greedy
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: CelticsElite on December 28, 2017, 01:42:05 AM
now thats a victory cigar type of night..

fire one up

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the best part of these nights is we can play the mock draft on tankathon and dream lol:
http://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: CelticsElite on December 28, 2017, 01:49:25 AM
Kings taking it to the Cavs up 14 in the 4th!

Could we actually sweep the night with Atlanta, Dallas, Chicago, Sacramento, and Memphis wins and a LA loss?!
what a night

side effects are cavs and raptors lost. lol
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: trickybilly on December 28, 2017, 01:54:43 AM
The Lakers have such a great young lineup.

Bogut came in cold and was great.

They just have so many scorers. Like at least 7 legitimate scorers off the dribble. I think I am ready to throw in the towel, barring several injuries....

Not so fast, my friend  :D

I'm flip-flopping more than when the Donald talks about White Supremacists. I'm embarrassing.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: mr. dee on December 28, 2017, 01:55:34 AM
Kings taking it to the Cavs up 14 in the 4th!

Could we actually sweep the night with Atlanta, Dallas, Chicago, Sacramento, and Memphis wins and a LA loss?!
what a night

side effects are cavs and raptors lost. lol

Sucks that Brooklyn lost. But hey, at least we get to see Rondo dominate again without worrying to match against him again.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: CelticsElite on December 28, 2017, 02:02:27 AM
Kings taking it to the Cavs up 14 in the 4th!

Could we actually sweep the night with Atlanta, Dallas, Chicago, Sacramento, and Memphis wins and a LA loss?!
what a night

side effects are cavs and raptors lost. lol

Sucks that Brooklyn lost. But hey, at least we get to see Rondo dominate again without worrying to match against him again.
a brooklyn win would have been the icing. at least we got the cake, cant win em all. feel like brooklyn didnt show up most of the game and gave up a bit

theyll come back and get some sort of win streak going soon i bet
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: GreenShooter on December 28, 2017, 06:57:04 AM
I love it that on the tankathon website they have the Celtics making the pick (Mohamed Bamba) though he's not my first choice but last night was awesome for the standings sake. I would take Trae Young to be that shooter/scorer off the bench.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: Adelaide Celt on December 28, 2017, 07:54:58 AM
Pro tanking Chicago fans must be going nuts. Just a couple of weeks ago they looked like they were comfortably the worst team in the league. One OK player comes back and they're now part of the mediocrity cluster.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: footey on December 28, 2017, 08:41:18 AM
Lakers now a bottom 5 team. Draft pick starting to look doable.
Title: Lakers record- draft pick
Post by: Jamilmac99 on December 28, 2017, 10:48:03 AM
Don't look now but the Lakers currently sit with a .333 winning percentage and the 5th worst record in the league. Four very tough games coming up as well. It would be so sweet to pluck that pick out of their hands!
Title: Re: Lakers record- draft pick
Post by: GreenShooter on December 28, 2017, 11:25:35 AM
Everything you need to know is in the LAL '17-'18 season watch thread. Lots of good discussion there.
Just an FYI, the pick isn't theirs. It either goes to Philly or to us. LA is getting NOTHING via the draft this year....well, there's a second rounder they get from Denver but that's it for now.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: Phantom255x on December 28, 2017, 11:43:35 AM
This is a big reason why the Lakers are slipping. Everyone says the Lakers are playing a tough stretch of games (hard schedule), but THAT'S just it, the West IS HARD. Lakers are playing in a very tough conference, so their schedule will look hard in most instances even against some of the bottom teams in the West (who have played the Lakers fairly well for the most part as well).

Now here's hoping Memphis can figure it out from here on out and some of the teams start pulling away!  ;D

Next game is against the Clippers. Hopefully they can beat the Lakers and start a run as well.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: Vermont Green on December 28, 2017, 11:45:01 AM
Bamba, Ayton, Bagley all look like rock solid bigs.  It is early so don't want to get too excited plus we are at the mercy of the lottery.  At #5 seed, it is only 46% chance we get a pick 2-5.  The odds go up significantly if they end up seeded #1-#4, ranges from 70% to 80%.

I wonder who Ainge will end up unexpectedly having his eye on.  History says he won't be following the standard mock drafts.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: CelticsElite on December 28, 2017, 11:57:00 AM
If Orlando can beat Detroit, Orlando will be tied with lakers. Lakers would technically be 4th worst at that point
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: footey on December 28, 2017, 11:58:44 AM
Bamba, Ayton, Bagley all look like rock solid bigs.  It is early so don't want to get too excited plus we are at the mercy of the lottery.  At #5 seed, it is only 46% chance we get a pick 2-5.  The odds go up significantly if they end up seeded #1-#4, ranges from 70% to 80%.

I wonder who Ainge will end up unexpectedly having his eye on.  History says he won't be following the standard mock drafts.

Do those odds factor in that we can’t keep the first pick?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: saltlover on December 28, 2017, 12:02:26 PM
Bamba, Ayton, Bagley all look like rock solid bigs.  It is early so don't want to get too excited plus we are at the mercy of the lottery.  At #5 seed, it is only 46% chance we get a pick 2-5.  The odds go up significantly if they end up seeded #1-#4, ranges from 70% to 80%.

I wonder who Ainge will end up unexpectedly having his eye on.  History says he won't be following the standard mock drafts.

Do those odds factor in that we can’t keep the first pick?

Yes.  Otherwise it’d be 100% if the Lakers finished 2nd worst.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: GreenShooter on December 28, 2017, 12:13:26 PM
This is a big reason why the Lakers are slipping. Everyone says the Lakers are playing a tough stretch of games (hard schedule), but THAT'S just it, the West IS HARD. Lakers are playing in a very tough conference, so their schedule will look hard in most instances even against some of the bottom teams in the West (who have played the Lakers fairly well for the most part as well).

Now here's hoping Memphis can figure it out from here on out and some of the teams start pulling away!  ;D

Next game is against the Clippers. Hopefully they can beat the Lakers and start a run as well.
When is Mike Conley expected back? He'll make a HUGE difference in their record.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: Phantom255x on December 28, 2017, 12:14:45 PM
Bamba, Ayton, Bagley all look like rock solid bigs.  It is early so don't want to get too excited plus we are at the mercy of the lottery.  At #5 seed, it is only 46% chance we get a pick 2-5.  The odds go up significantly if they end up seeded #1-#4, ranges from 70% to 80%.

I wonder who Ainge will end up unexpectedly having his eye on.  History says he won't be following the standard mock drafts.

Do those odds factor in that we can’t keep the first pick?

Here are the lottery odds.

CREDIT TO @86 Celtics GOAT on the main page for this.

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(No. 1=worst record, No. 2 second-worst record and so forth…)
Note: Boston cannot keep the pick if it is No. 1; only a No. 2-5 pick possible for 2018 lottery…

Lakers finishing No. 1 is 75% chance for Boston to get 2-4 pick…Fourth is lowest the No. 1 team can pick…
Lakers finishing No. 2 is 80% chance for Boston to get 2-5 pick…
Lakers finishing No. 3 is 80% chance for Boston to get 2-5 pick…
Lakers finishing No. 4 is 71% chance for Boston to get 2-5 pick…
Lakers finishing No. 5 is only a 46% chance of Boston getting either the No. 2, 3 or 5 pick. (The No. 5 team is Not able to receive No. 4 pick.)

If Lakers finish No. 6 or lower, odds of getting the No. 2-3 pick drastically plummet to 15% and lower for each step below….

Ideally, Boston needs the Lakers to have the second or third worst record to collect their pick. Great odds if Lakers finish worst or fourth worst as well, but No. 5 worst is a big drop and No. 6 worst is very slim….
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: saltlover on December 28, 2017, 12:22:06 PM
This is a big reason why the Lakers are slipping. Everyone says the Lakers are playing a tough stretch of games (hard schedule), but THAT'S just it, the West IS HARD. Lakers are playing in a very tough conference, so their schedule will look hard in most instances even against some of the bottom teams in the West (who have played the Lakers fairly well for the most part as well).

Now here's hoping Memphis can figure it out from here on out and some of the teams start pulling away!  ;D

Next game is against the Clippers. Hopefully they can beat the Lakers and start a run as well.
When is Mike Conley expected back? He'll make a HUGE difference in their record.

He was due back in 2-3 weeks as of one month ago.  If you’re an optimist you can consider him day-to-day at this point.  If you’re a pessimist, he’s out indefinitely.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-21, 7th Slot on 12/25)
Post by: GreenShooter on December 28, 2017, 12:50:02 PM
This is a big reason why the Lakers are slipping. Everyone says the Lakers are playing a tough stretch of games (hard schedule), but THAT'S just it, the West IS HARD. Lakers are playing in a very tough conference, so their schedule will look hard in most instances even against some of the bottom teams in the West (who have played the Lakers fairly well for the most part as well).

Now here's hoping Memphis can figure it out from here on out and some of the teams start pulling away!  ;D

Next game is against the Clippers. Hopefully they can beat the Lakers and start a run as well.
When is Mike Conley expected back? He'll make a HUGE difference in their record.

He was due back in 2-3 weeks as of one month ago.  If you’re an optimist you can consider him day-to-day at this point.  If you’re a pessimist, he’s out indefinitely.
What if I'm a realist? Does that make make him out day-to-day indefinitely ?
That's good news, thanks (about the day to day thing). I think I'll look up if he's practicing yet with the team....Nope, not yet. Still out with sore Achilles. Last update was he would return in two weeks as of Dec 18th so after New Year's, I would guess. That is when the LAL will be smelling their fumes.
Title: Re: Lakers record- draft pick
Post by: JHTruth on December 28, 2017, 01:18:52 PM
Don't look now but the Lakers currently sit with a .333 winning percentage and the 5th worst record in the league. Four very tough games coming up as well. It would be so sweet to pluck that pick out of their hands!

They are all depressed about careening towards the worst record in the league and handing us their pick. Reality is starting to assert itself in Lakerland. KCP and Lopez chucking, Kuzma and Ingram too young to carry a squad. Awful..
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: JBcat on December 28, 2017, 02:09:58 PM
What will be interesting to see is which teams at the trade deadline will be sellers.  If the Grizzlies trade away Evans for example that could hurt us although the Lakers might have their own sell off to create more cap space. 

The clutter of teams at the bottom are still within 5 or 6 games from the 8th seed.  So some of them might remain hopeful of a playoff push.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: rondofan1255 on December 28, 2017, 02:33:37 PM
Saltlover predicted 13-28 at the halfway mark. We'll see if he's right! His predictions were money last year (end of November and December records, etc.) unless I'm mistaking him for someone else.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: saltlover on December 28, 2017, 03:01:40 PM
Saltlover predicted 13-28 at the halfway mark. We'll see if he's right! His predictions were money last year (end of November and December records, etc.) unless I'm mistaking him for someone else.

Yeah, I’m biting my nails to see if we’ll get there.  I did correctly predict the Nets record for multiple months in a row until I stopped when it became clear they were finishing last.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: hwangjini_1 on December 28, 2017, 05:58:21 PM
Saltlover predicted 13-28 at the halfway mark. We'll see if he's right! His predictions were money last year (end of November and December records, etc.) unless I'm mistaking him for someone else.
true on salty. but who could have predicted the impact kuzma has had on the lakers? he must have won 3-4 games for them in all honesty.

without him the lakers would have really had a terrible record.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 28, 2017, 06:25:52 PM
Saltlover predicted 13-28 at the halfway mark. We'll see if he's right! His predictions were money last year (end of November and December records, etc.) unless I'm mistaking him for someone else.
true on salty. but who could have predicted the impact kuzma has had on the lakers? he must have won 3-4 games for them in all honesty.

without him the lakers would have really had a terrible record.

agree .....is is way more important than Ball
Title: Re: 2017-2018 LA Lakers Season Watch Thread
Post by: rondofan1255 on December 28, 2017, 07:02:42 PM
Found Salt's prognostications for future reference:

When they were 5-5 I said the Lakers would go 4-6 over their next 10 (they’ve gone 3-5 so far), before going on a lengthy period where they win 1-2 games over a month.  I think they’ll be no better than 13-28 at the 41-game mark.  Hopefully I can find this post in 7 weeks to see how I did.

When they were 5-5 I said the Lakers would go 4-6 over their next 10 (they’ve gone 3-5 so far), before going on a lengthy period where they win 1-2 games over a month.  I think they’ll be no better than 13-28 at the 41-game mark.  Hopefully I can find this post in 7 weeks to see how I did.

I'm all in on the saltover prognostication train!

choo choo!

I have also given up on the pick barring lottery magic.

I think Dallas, Sac, Hawks and Bulls are pretty clearly the bottom 4.
Suns and Nets, perhaps Knicks and a few others will also be at the bottom.
Hard to see them finishing much worse than 8th worst record.

I haven’t.  I still think they’re about a 25-win team.  They probably go 4-6 over their next 10, but then quickly fall back in the standings.  Look at their schedule in December — they might not win a game.

Are the Lakers actually good?

No.  They've just been on a string of catching teams from thousands of miles away in the middle of road trips, coming off games against more difficult opponents.  They have 17 home games against teams from East of the Mississippi -- this is their 5th such game, despite being only 10 games into the season.  In other words, so far 50% of their games have been Eastern teams at home (including Memphis due to geography), and going the rest of the way only 16% of their games will be like this.  Heck, if you want to thrown in New Orleans, 60% of their games have been at home vs. Eastern teams.  This has pretty much been the easiest portion of their schedule for the entire season, and if they hold on and win tonight, they'll have gone 5-5 during it.  [EDIT: It looks like on the other side of their road trip East this week they have one more easy stretch, with 2 vs. Suns, hosting Chicago and Philly, and @ SAC over a 6 game stretch.  Then it's five months against the real teams of the NBA, and not at home nearly as much.]

I think they're a 24-28 win team.  Unfortunately for lottery odds this year, it probably means they'll be somewhere between 5th and 8th worst.  But they're not good, and we'll certainly get to watch the draft lottery with a reasonable chance of excitement, but with a higher chance of disappointment.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: CelticsElite on December 28, 2017, 09:02:08 PM
magic up 11 on the pistons in the 4th quarter
lakers move to 4th worst if magic win
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: Neurotic Guy on December 28, 2017, 09:06:41 PM
magic up 11 on the pistons in the 4th quarter
lakers move to 4th worst if magic win
Thank you! Something to do as I bask in misery here.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: Neurotic Guy on December 28, 2017, 09:10:06 PM
WT
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: Neurotic Guy on December 28, 2017, 09:16:40 PM
Orlando wins.  Good news. 
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: jpotter33 on December 28, 2017, 09:18:33 PM
Magic win! This is the one consolation of this sad night.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: CelticsElite on December 28, 2017, 09:20:46 PM
Got the win

Lakers now 4th worst because they have less wins

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Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: trickybilly on December 28, 2017, 09:39:40 PM
Got the win

Lakers now 4th worst because they have less wins

Woot!TP!!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: Phantom255x on December 28, 2017, 09:49:42 PM
Got the win

Lakers now 4th worst because they have less wins

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Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: Sophomore on December 28, 2017, 10:54:09 PM
Got the win

Lakers now 4th worst because they have less wins

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That works!

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Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: BringToughnessBack on December 28, 2017, 10:58:00 PM
Us getting the 4th pick almost as likely as coming back vs Rockets after being down 26 😁..starting to warm up to potential pick conveying!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: CelticsElite on December 29, 2017, 01:34:38 AM
List of most important wins we need tomorrow;
Tier 1
-Need clippers to win (vs Lakers)

Tier 2 (8th seed chasers. All have only 12 wins)
-nets
-hornets
-Bulls

Tier 3 (bottom feeders)
-mavs
-hawks
-kings (or suns)

If we can get these 6 or 7 wins, it would be crazy. Really just the clippers win would be enough for to keep the Lakers where they are but any other win is very welcome
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: Ilikesports17 on December 29, 2017, 02:46:15 AM
Best part about this is I actually believe Memphis and Dallas to be better teams than LAL.

Expect both to finish ahead of LAL. Im worried about Sacremento, Orlando, Brooklyn and Chicago.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: bopna on December 29, 2017, 03:15:30 AM
We need to have Matt Groaner to produce a Simpson episode where the Fakers on national TV would be handing the number 2 overall pick to the Celtics...they seem to project the future quite well on those cartoon shows. I wanna see Magic’s face turn gloomy...that would be epic.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: rondofan1255 on December 29, 2017, 06:00:06 PM
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After dropping four straight, Lakers hold team meeting instead of practice to air issues

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21911979/los-angeles-lakers-hold-team-meeting-place-practice-air-frustrations-thursday
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: Big333223 on December 29, 2017, 06:24:11 PM
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After dropping four straight, Lakers hold team meeting instead of practice to air issues

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21911979/los-angeles-lakers-hold-team-meeting-place-practice-air-frustrations-thursday
They're frustrated by the losing? What did they think. No one in their right mind thought that roster was a playoff team. They play two guys more than 33 mpg who aren't old enough to drink and a third who plays 32 mpg and is a 22 year old rookie.

Suck it up, Lakers.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: Phantom255x on December 29, 2017, 06:32:56 PM
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After dropping four straight, Lakers hold team meeting instead of practice to air issues

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21911979/los-angeles-lakers-hold-team-meeting-place-practice-air-frustrations-thursday
They're frustrated by the losing? What did they think. No one in their right mind thought that roster was a playoff team. They play two guys more than 33 mpg who aren't old enough to drink and a third who plays 32 mpg and is a 22 year old rookie.

Suck it up, Lakers.

Watch, when the Lonzo hype train keeps on going and they trade away Clarkson and/or Randle for no reason other than to open up some cap space for the summer, they'll feel even more frustrated.

I mean, some "un-named" Lakers players have already voiced their displeasure with the amount of hype Lonzo gets. Lakers even had to tell LaVar to cool it on the Luke Walton criticism  :laugh:
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: Neurotic Guy on December 29, 2017, 07:35:12 PM
Big night for the pick.

Go Bulls, Nets, Hawks, Mavs, Hornets.  A win for either Suns-Kings.

Most importantly, Go Clips!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: Sophomore on December 29, 2017, 07:53:26 PM
We need to have Matt Groaner to produce a Simpson episode where the Fakers on national TV would be handing the number 2 overall pick to the Celtics...they seem to project the future quite well on those cartoon shows. I wanna see Magic’s face turn gloomy...that would be epic.

I had a dream about our getting the 2 pick, then Ainge deciding whether to trade up to get Ayton or sit tight and take Bagley or Doncic. He finally trades up for the first pick by dealing the Cs' late first rounder and the Cs go on to win five championships.

In my defense, I’ve got the flu and am semi-delirious.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: CelticsElite on December 29, 2017, 08:32:13 PM
Nets went on a 13-3 pt run to go up 1
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: jpotter33 on December 29, 2017, 08:55:35 PM
Shaping up to be another really good night for the Lakers pick:

Dallas up 20 on NOLA;

Chicago up 17 on Indy;

Brooklyn up on Miami.

With a guaranteed Phoenix/Sacramento win and a LAL loss, this could be another superb night for the pick!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: smokeablount on December 29, 2017, 09:39:23 PM
Still paranoid the Lakers will be too good... but I’m back on board with following them and hoping!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: CelticsElite on December 29, 2017, 09:44:12 PM
Shaping up to be another really good night for the Lakers pick:

Dallas up 20 on NOLA;

Chicago up 17 on Indy;

Brooklyn up on Miami.

With a guaranteed Phoenix/Sacramento win and a LAL loss, this could be another superb night for the pick!
nets up 35 on the heat lol
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: Sophomore on December 29, 2017, 09:49:13 PM
Still paranoid the Lakers will be too good... but I’m back on board with following them and hoping!

The bunching toward the bottom of the league is *really* tight. One game in the win column separating about 8 teams right now. And the Lakers don't have an incentive to tank.

But hope springs eternal! Maybe they'll just keep stinking. Or maybe they'll decide to send out one of their half-decent players in exchange for a pick as they keep positioning themselves for next year's free-agent chase.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: Sophomore on December 29, 2017, 09:54:41 PM
Shaping up to be another really good night for the Lakers pick:

Dallas up 20 on NOLA;

Chicago up 17 on Indy;

Brooklyn up on Miami.

With a guaranteed Phoenix/Sacramento win and a LAL loss, this could be another superb night for the pick!
nets up 35 on the heat lol

Heat down 35 *at home*?! Why don't they fold like this when we play them?

Also - Dallas has 109 points against the Pellies -- *in the third quarter*!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: CelticsElite on December 29, 2017, 10:12:19 PM
Mavs win is huge. If Lakers lose, Lakers move to 3rd worst and mavs move above the lakers
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: CelticsElite on December 29, 2017, 10:14:04 PM
Shaping up to be another really good night for the Lakers pick:

Dallas up 20 on NOLA;

Chicago up 17 on Indy;

Brooklyn up on Miami.

With a guaranteed Phoenix/Sacramento win and a LAL loss, this could be another superb night for the pick!
nets up 35 on the heat lol

Heat down 35 *at home*?! Why don't they fold like this when we play them?

Also - Dallas has 109 points against the Pellies -- *in the third quarter*!
this dallas win is great. Dallas will move over LAL should the Lakers lose tonight
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: MattyIce on December 29, 2017, 10:17:26 PM
Shaping up to be another really good night for the Lakers pick:

Dallas up 20 on NOLA;

Chicago up 17 on Indy;

Brooklyn up on Miami.

With a guaranteed Phoenix/Sacramento win and a LAL loss, this could be another superb night for the pick!
nets up 35 on the heat lol

Heat down 35 *at home*?! Why don't they fold like this when we play them?

Also - Dallas has 109 points against the Pellies -- *in the third quarter*!
this dallas win is great. Dallas will move over LAL should the Lakers lose tonight
is?  i hope i’m behind on the game lol
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: jpotter33 on December 29, 2017, 10:17:31 PM
Well, 2 out of 3 have gone in our favor so far, but Dallas is doing everything they can to give this game up.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: chilidawg on December 29, 2017, 10:18:14 PM
Shaping up to be another really good night for the Lakers pick:

Dallas up 20 on NOLA;

Chicago up 17 on Indy;

Brooklyn up on Miami.

With a guaranteed Phoenix/Sacramento win and a LAL loss, this could be another superb night for the pick!
nets up 35 on the heat lol

Heat down 35 *at home*?! Why don't they fold like this when we play them?

Also - Dallas has 109 points against the Pellies -- *in the third quarter*!
this dallas win is great. Dallas will move over LAL should the Lakers lose tonight

Not a win yet, NO within 3 with 4 minutes to go.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: CelticsElite on December 29, 2017, 10:19:14 PM
Blake griffin confirmed to play tonight!

If clippers beat the Lakers and hornets beat warriors , the Lakers move to 3rd

Reason is the Mavs win tonight... Mavs moved up to .324 record

Lakers record will be .3235 tonight after if clippers win
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: MattyIce on December 29, 2017, 10:21:42 PM
Barea!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: jpotter33 on December 29, 2017, 10:25:17 PM
Mavs win! Now let’s go Clips to put the cherry on top of tonight!

Not sure who to root for in the Suns/Kong’s game, though.

EDIT: I guess we should be rooting for Charlotte against GS, too, though that’s s long shot.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: CelticsElite on December 29, 2017, 10:27:02 PM
Shaping up to be another really good night for the Lakers pick:

Dallas up 20 on NOLA;

Chicago up 17 on Indy;

Brooklyn up on Miami.

With a guaranteed Phoenix/Sacramento win and a LAL loss, this could be another superb night for the pick!
nets up 35 on the heat lol

Heat down 35 *at home*?! Why don't they fold like this when we play them?

Also - Dallas has 109 points against the Pellies -- *in the third quarter*!
this dallas win is great. Dallas will move over LAL should the Lakers lose tonight

Not a win yet, NO within 3 with 4 minutes to go.
dallas escaped  with the win. Close one
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: CelticsElite on December 29, 2017, 10:28:10 PM
Mavs win! Now let’s go Clips to put the cherry on top of tonight!

Not sure who to root for in the Suns/Kong’s game, though.

EDIT: I guess we should be rooting for Charlotte against GS, too, though that’s s long shot.
yeah we need a Charlotte win for Lakers to move to 3rd. Otherwise hornets Move to 3rd

Edit- my math is off. A clippers win is sufficient for Lakers move to 3rd
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: MattyIce on December 29, 2017, 10:38:05 PM
Mavs win! Now let’s go Clips to put the cherry on top of tonight!

Not sure who to root for in the Suns/Kong’s game, though.

EDIT: I guess we should be rooting for Charlotte against GS, too, though that’s s long shot.

i'm rooting for the suns cause i feel they are slightly more likely to tank
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: CelticsElite on December 29, 2017, 10:41:30 PM
i like kings better because win counts are one of tiebreakers for seeding. It would be nice to get one more win for the kings so they leave that big group with 12 wins.  Its a wash whoever wins to me though there
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: CelticsElite on December 29, 2017, 10:43:41 PM
Clippers got first 3 pts
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: SparzWizard on December 29, 2017, 10:45:54 PM
Clippers up 9-0 against Lakers.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: rondofan1255 on December 29, 2017, 10:47:40 PM
Mavs win! Now let’s go Clips to put the cherry on top of tonight!

Not sure who to root for in the Suns/Kong’s game, though.

EDIT: I guess we should be rooting for Charlotte against GS, too, though that’s s long shot.

i'm rooting for the suns cause i feel they are slightly more likely to tank

Same.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: CelticSooner on December 29, 2017, 10:48:37 PM
Danny Ainge got me watching crap games right now lol
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: Las Vegas Asian on December 29, 2017, 10:49:53 PM
Austin Rivers looking like Kyrie tonight, already 10 pts on 4-4 shooting :o
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: CelticSooner on December 29, 2017, 10:54:02 PM
There is definitely something right with the Lakers. Not playing as hard anymore on defense. Walton got himself some chemistry problems now.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: rondofan1255 on December 29, 2017, 10:55:11 PM
Danny Ainge got me watching crap games right now lol

This is my first time watching Teodosic. I don't recall him playing in the last game vs. LAL
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: Las Vegas Asian on December 29, 2017, 10:59:26 PM
Danny Ainge got me watching crap games right now lol

This is my first time watching Teodosic. I don't recall him playing in the last game vs. LAL

I believe he was dealing with plantar fasciitis that kept him out until just recently.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: hwangjini_1 on December 30, 2017, 12:05:47 AM
wow. i just checked the nba scores and virtually each and every team we want to win did so.

and best of all, the lakers are losing. this will help the draft choice. one small step for the draft. one big step for celtic-kind.  ;D
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: jpotter33 on December 30, 2017, 12:30:58 AM
Wow! Charlotte up 15 on GS with five to go! This could be the second night in the last several days where at least a half a dozen games benefitted the Lakers pick, which would move it to pick number three in the standings!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: CelticSooner on December 30, 2017, 12:33:44 AM
Wow! Charlotte up 15 on GS with five to go! This could be the second night in the last several days where at least a half a dozen games benefitted the Lakers pick, which would move it to pick number three in the standings!

Kemba Walker is a bad bad man
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: MattyIce on December 30, 2017, 12:34:03 AM
Wow! Charlotte up 15 on GS with five to go! This could be the second night in the last several days where at least a half a dozen games benefitted the Lakers pick, which would move it to pick number three in the standings!

what a game by howard also!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: jpotter33 on December 30, 2017, 12:39:01 AM
Wow! Charlotte up 15 on GS with five to go! This could be the second night in the last several days where at least a half a dozen games benefitted the Lakers pick, which would move it to pick number three in the standings!

what a game by howard also!

Dude has legitimately looked like a well-rounded player tonight. He’s even hit several jumpers!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: mr. dee on December 30, 2017, 12:49:07 AM
Clippers have pretty much sealed the game against the Lakers. Another great day for our pick. A Hawks win could have been an icing on the cake.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: rondofan1255 on December 30, 2017, 12:57:29 AM
Saw a graphic in the Hornets game that they have the easiest remaining schedule.

Lakers lose 121-106.  :)

Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on December 30, 2017, 12:59:40 AM
It’s been a terrific last couple of days for the pick!! Please basketball gods keep it up
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: jdz101 on December 30, 2017, 01:00:57 AM
Clippers have pretty much sealed the game against the Lakers. Another great day for our pick. A Hawks win could have been an icing on the cake.

Remember we need that pick to be 2-5.

We need someone to take the #1.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: ETNCeltics on December 30, 2017, 01:01:05 AM
LAL now have the 3rd worst record in the league.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: CelticsElite on December 30, 2017, 01:06:18 AM
3rd worst. Hahahahaa  :D
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: SaCaCh on December 30, 2017, 01:17:01 AM
Right where I want us to stay for the rest of the season. #3
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: ETNCeltics on December 30, 2017, 01:22:46 AM
If the season ended today, we'd have an 80.3% chance at the pick conveying.

Tankathon mock has us with Ayton at 3. Too good to be true.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: CelticsElite on December 30, 2017, 01:42:00 AM
I did the math for you guys

If grizzlies beat the warriors tomorrow, the lakers become 2nd worst


If grizzlies lose to warriors but beat the kings Sunday, as long as Lakers lose to rockets and Mavs beat the thunder, Lakers still become 2nd worst


Order of importance next 2 days:
-Need grizz to beat warriors sat
-need grizz to beat kings Sunday
-Need rocket to beat Lakers sunday
-need mavs to beat Thunder Sunday
Need bulls to beat wiz sunday
Need  magic to beat heat Saturday
Need suns to beat sixers sunday
Need hawks to beat blazers Sunday
Need jazz to beat cavs sat
Need nets to beat Celtics (we can pass on that lol)

Side note: the #3 spot in the lottery is the optimal location for the 2-5 pick to convey, but #2 isn't so bad:

1: 75%
2: 80.1%
3: 80.4%
4: 70.9%
5: 46.4%
6; 15.2%
7: 10.7%
8: 7.2%
9: 4.4%
10: 2.9%
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: CelticD on December 30, 2017, 01:48:33 AM
I did the math for you guys

If grizzlies beat the warriors tomorrow, the lakers become 2nd worst


If grizzlies lose to warriors but beat the kings Sunday, as long as Lakers lose to rockets and Mavs beat the thunder, Lakers still become 2nd worst


Order of importance next 2 days:
-Need grizz to beat warriors sat
-need grizz to beat kings Sunday
-Need rocket to beat Lakers sunday
-need mavs to beat Thunder Sunday
Need bulls to beat wiz sunday
Need  magic to beat heat sunday
Need suns to beat sixers sunday
Need hawks to beat blazers Sunday
Need jazz to beat cavs sat
Need nets to beat Celtics (we can pass on that lol)

Side note: the #3 spot in the lottery is the optimal location for the 2-5 pick to convey, but #2 isn't so bad:

1: 75%
2: 80.1%
3: 80.4%
4: 70.9%
5: 46.4%
6; 15.2%
7: 10.7%
8: 7.2%
9: 4.4%
10: 2.9%

Dang TP for being thorough.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: kraidstar on December 30, 2017, 01:50:02 AM
Clippers have pretty much sealed the game against the Lakers. Another great day for our pick. A Hawks win could have been an icing on the cake.

Remember we need that pick to be 2-5.

We need someone to take the #1.
Worst record for the Lakers is actually a really good outcome. Our odds of keeping the picks go down slightly compared to 2nd or 3rd-worst records, but the odds of getting a higher pick go up a bit. And we want Ainge getting the highest shot possible, so those odds are a tradeoff I could live with.

One interesting stat is the massive drop-off from 4th-worst odds to 5th-worst. We go from 71% odds of keeping the pick all the way down to 46%. And then at 6th worst we drop all the way down to 15%!!!! So we REALLY want those Lakers to finish bottom-4.

Lakers record / Odds we keep the pick / odds of getting #2 pick / odds of getting #3 pick:
worst / 75% / 22% /18%
2nd worst / 80% / 19% / 17%
3rd worst / 80% / 16% / 16%
4th worst / 71% / 13% / 13%
5th worst / 46% / 10% / 11%
6th worst / 15% / 7% / 8%
7th worst / 11% / 5% / 6%
..and things go rapidly downhill from there.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: kraidstar on December 30, 2017, 01:53:00 AM
I did the math for you guys

If grizzlies beat the warriors tomorrow, the lakers become 2nd worst


If grizzlies lose to warriors but beat the kings Sunday, as long as Lakers lose to rockets and Mavs beat the thunder, Lakers still become 2nd worst


Order of importance next 2 days:
-Need grizz to beat warriors sat
-need grizz to beat kings Sunday
-Need rocket to beat Lakers sunday
-need mavs to beat Thunder Sunday
Need bulls to beat wiz sunday
Need  magic to beat heat sunday
Need suns to beat sixers sunday
Need hawks to beat blazers Sunday
Need jazz to beat cavs sat
Need nets to beat Celtics (we can pass on that lol)

Side note: the #3 spot in the lottery is the optimal location for the 2-5 pick to convey, but #2 isn't so bad:

1: 75%
2: 80.1%
3: 80.4%
4: 70.9%
5: 46.4%
6; 15.2%
7: 10.7%
8: 7.2%
9: 4.4%
10: 2.9%

LOL

You beat me to the punch by 8 minutes, I just whipped out those stats too.

Great minds think alike

TP
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: azzenfrost on December 30, 2017, 01:55:12 AM
Only reason why I watch other games.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: slightly biased bias fan on December 30, 2017, 02:07:20 AM
Honestly if we manage to get Bagley, Ayton or Bamba with the Lakers pick, I am happy. I feel like a lot of how a players potential is reached has to do with the coaching group, winning and the mentors they have to learn from, and we have all of these factors (e.g. Kobe Bryant had; Robert Horry, Eddie Jones, Scott Byron, Nick Van Exel and a young Shaq on his team for his rookie season and went to the conference semi finals).

If we land Porter I feel like he should be flipped as he is redundant with Tatum and Hayward and Doncic feels like a high level role player to me, who again isn't really needed.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: JBcat on December 30, 2017, 08:56:25 AM
Honestly if we manage to get Bagley, Ayton or Bamba with the Lakers pick, I am happy. I feel like a lot of how a players potential is reached has to do with the coaching group, winning and the mentors they have to learn from, and we have all of these factors (e.g. Kobe Bryant had; Robert Horry, Eddie Jones, Scott Byron, Nick Van Exel and a young Shaq on his team for his rookie season and went to the conference semi finals).

If we land Porter I feel like he should be flipped as he is redundant with Tatum and Hayward and Doncic feels like a high level role player to me, who again isn't really needed.

You might be right but I would not be surprised if Doncic is the best player in this draft, and I want Ainge to draft what he feels is the best talent not the most needed.  You could make it work having Doncic start his career as a super 6th man ala McHale and slide Tatum or Hayward as the small ball 4.  Then in a few years when Hayward enters his 30s you could make him the 6th man.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: GreenShooter on December 30, 2017, 11:15:55 AM
I would kill a man if we could land the second or third pick in the next draft. May kill 2 for the second pick.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: ManUp on December 30, 2017, 11:25:07 AM
I just looked at the standings and it had me doing a dance lol.

Lose Lakers, Lose!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: hwangjini_1 on December 30, 2017, 12:00:16 PM
I would kill a man if we could land the second or third pick in the next draft. May kill 2 for the second pick.
do you have anyone picked out?  ;D
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: konkmv on December 30, 2017, 12:17:54 PM
I think a healthy porter would be an awesome addition...
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-22, 5th Slot on 12/27)
Post by: nickagneta on December 30, 2017, 01:07:15 PM
Honestly if we manage to get Bagley, Ayton or Bamba with the Lakers pick, I am happy. I feel like a lot of how a players potential is reached has to do with the coaching group, winning and the mentors they have to learn from, and we have all of these factors (e.g. Kobe Bryant had; Robert Horry, Eddie Jones, Scott Byron, Nick Van Exel and a young Shaq on his team for his rookie season and went to the conference semi finals).

If we land Porter I feel like he should be flipped as he is redundant with Tatum and Hayward and Doncic feels like a high level role player to me, who again isn't really needed.

You might be right but I would not be surprised if Doncic is the best player in this draft, and I want Ainge to draft what he feels is the best talent not the most needed.  You could make it work having Doncic start his career as a super 6th man ala McHale and slide Tatum or Hayward as the small ball 4.  Then in a few years when Hayward enters his 30s you could make him the 6th man.
My hope is for Doncic too. Not only do I believe he will be the best player in this draft, but I think he is the most NBA ready and will be able to contribute right away. It probably would mean saying goodbye to Smart.

I truly believe Doncic on the Celtics could win ROY and SMOY award in the same year.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: CelticsElite on December 30, 2017, 07:59:37 PM
Magic up 11 on heat
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: jpotter33 on December 30, 2017, 09:11:37 PM
Orlando choking.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: Kevins Gamble on December 30, 2017, 09:32:25 PM
Atlanta up 13 on Portland with 5 minutes left.  They are too good of a team to only have 9 wins so far.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: CelticsElite on December 30, 2017, 09:37:43 PM
Hawks blowing out the blazers and jazz extending their lead on the Cavs


If hawks can win 1 more, and lakers lose 2 more, it increases chances greatly Lakers move to worst team overall. Especially if Grizz can win their next. Would still be nice if they can pull off the victory tonight
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: BlastFromThePast on December 30, 2017, 09:47:26 PM
Atlanta up 13 on Portland with 5 minutes left.  They are too good of a team to only have 9 wins so far.

I wouldn't go so far as to call the Hawks that (see bolded above) but they do play with effort night in, night out.  They're now up by 17 with 1 1/2 mins to go but 14 pts of that lead came in a blowout 4th quarter.   

Just goes to show that young teams that play with effort can "jump" a better team, much like the C's have encountered in the last dozen games or so, when they don't match the intensity level of the "doormat" team.

Still a long season to go to see if the C's potential pick thru Philly/LA will convey this year.   
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: sdceltsfan on December 30, 2017, 10:45:01 PM
It is just starting to sink in just how much the 76ers must loathe Danny Ainge right now. Imagine knowing you had a player like Tatum, who would be absolutely frightening with Simmons/Embiid, AND be looking to add a Bagley/Ayton/Doncic/Bamba/Porter to the mix.

They went from the hands down team of the future, to giving The Celtics the keys to being their kryponite.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: Kevins Gamble on December 30, 2017, 10:50:29 PM
Atlanta up 13 on Portland with 5 minutes left.  They are too good of a team to only have 9 wins so far.

I wouldn't go so far as to call the Hawks that (see bolded above) but they do play with effort night in, night out.  They're now up by 17 with 1 1/2 mins to go but 14 pts of that lead came in a blowout 4th quarter.   

Just goes to show that young teams that play with effort can "jump" a better team, much like the C's have encountered in the last dozen games or so, when they don't match the intensity level of the "doormat" team.

Still a long season to go to see if the C's potential pick thru Philly/LA will convey this year.

Sure...they're still a lottery team facing upwards...but every time we've played them this year and the amount of high energy scorers they've thrown at us (Schroder, Collins, Bellinelli, Dedmon, etc)...never once have I thought "Yeah, this is the worst team in the NBA."

If that's the worse...it's gonna be a long season.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: Neurotic Guy on December 30, 2017, 10:56:12 PM
Wish it was April and not December.  Long way to go and teams have yet to commit to the tank. 
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: CelticsElite on December 30, 2017, 11:00:49 PM
The grizz need to win tomorrow to compensate for their loss today
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: BlastFromThePast on December 31, 2017, 01:48:06 AM
Atlanta up 13 on Portland with 5 minutes left.  They are too good of a team to only have 9 wins so far.

I wouldn't go so far as to call the Hawks that (see bolded above) but they do play with effort night in, night out.  They're now up by 17 with 1 1/2 mins to go but 14 pts of that lead came in a blowout 4th quarter.   

Just goes to show that young teams that play with effort can "jump" a better team, much like the C's have encountered in the last dozen games or so, when they don't match the intensity level of the "doormat" team.

Still a long season to go to see if the C's potential pick thru Philly/LA will convey this year.

Sure...they're still a lottery team facing upwards...but every time we've played them this year and the amount of high energy scorers they've thrown at us (Schroder, Collins, Bellinelli, Dedmon, etc)...never once have I thought "Yeah, this is the worst team in the NBA."

If that's the worse...it's gonna be a long season.

Don't forget how terrible the Bulls looked early on until the recent return of Dunn and (in particular) Mirotic which just goes to show how much certain players can impact a team's performance.

Take the Lakers--Brandon Ingram is the straw that swirls their shake.  If he went down for an appreciable amount of time, that team would completely fold even more than the signs that they may be imploding (players unhappy with their PT, talk of Randle and/or Clarkson being moved as early as the trade deadline culminating in a player's only meeting).

We don't want the Lakers to finish dead last...2nd to 4th to last maximizes the C's chances of getting the corresponding draft slot based on percentage of ping pong balls.

 
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: Big333223 on December 31, 2017, 07:10:51 AM
There's still a long season ahead of us and this logjam at the bottom of the league is intense. The Lakers have the 3rd worst record right now but they're only 2 games out of, like, 9th.

But it sure is nice right now.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: JBcat on December 31, 2017, 07:42:23 AM
Things are going to get nerve wracking from around January 5th to the 15th.  5 out of 6 games are against the Hornets, Hawks, and Kings at home, and on the road against the Mavericks and Grizzlies.  Their 1 really tough game during that stretch will be against the Spurs.

Also during the month they play OKC twice which we hope they have all 3 stars healthy and clicking.  Later on in the month they also have possible winnable games at home against the Knicks and Pacers, and on the road against the Bulls and Magic.

Plus they might get Ball and Lopez back soon.   :(

Good that their next 2 games are on the road against the Rockets and Wolves which will be very tough for them.

Edit: 2 other games I didn’t mention the end of the month are home against us, and on the road against the Raptors.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: mr. dee on December 31, 2017, 08:07:48 PM
Rockets is reeling down. Smart's last play still probably haunt Harden's mind.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: Phantom255x on December 31, 2017, 09:13:04 PM
Man the Rockets are now a mess. Even with CP3 back they look awful (defense especially).
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: CelticSooner on December 31, 2017, 09:20:13 PM
Rockets are in playoff form already  ;D
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: Phantom255x on December 31, 2017, 09:22:47 PM
Wow, Harden is limping and injured now...  :o
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: rondofan1255 on December 31, 2017, 09:23:05 PM
GERALD GREEN!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: Phantom255x on December 31, 2017, 09:23:27 PM
GERALD GREEN FOR THREE!! TIE GAME.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: MattyIce on December 31, 2017, 09:24:32 PM
pleeeeeease cp3!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: CelticsElite on December 31, 2017, 09:29:10 PM
Come on rockets
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: rondofan1255 on December 31, 2017, 09:29:58 PM
Can't believe Nance missed that! OT!! Harden out.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: jpotter33 on December 31, 2017, 09:33:04 PM
This Rockets team is so overrated. Their game plan is just not conducive to winning long-term or in the playoffs, just way too reliant on hot shooting to succeed.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: mr. dee on December 31, 2017, 09:34:53 PM
Randle fouled out.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: MattyIce on December 31, 2017, 09:40:19 PM
rockets trash
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: jpotter33 on December 31, 2017, 09:41:11 PM
Lol NBA officiating is so sketchy. They don’t originally call that a goaltending, but he thinks about it and realizes that he has to call it goaltending in order to look at it, so he decides to call it goaltending.  ::)
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: jpotter33 on December 31, 2017, 09:45:14 PM
Lol Paul just got away with a blatant offensive foul there.

This Houston offense is so predictable:

1) Isolate Harden or Paul;

2) Penetrate and score or kick out to a three.

That’s not getting you past GS, let alone SAS or even OKC.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: CelticSooner on December 31, 2017, 09:48:56 PM
Houston win here would be really great going into 2OT. Lakers got a game in Minnesota tomorrow too lol
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: mr. dee on December 31, 2017, 09:51:52 PM
Rockets defense is so terrible.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: blink on December 31, 2017, 09:52:27 PM
cmon Rockets, are you really not going to finish this comeback?
lakers are playing spunky. 

can we just have them both lose?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: CelticSooner on December 31, 2017, 09:54:26 PM
Rockets defense is so terrible.

It’s horrendous. This is a pickup game.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: rondofan1255 on December 31, 2017, 09:55:30 PM
Lol Paul just got away with a blatant offensive foul there.

Yup he got away with it again in early 2OT
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: jpotter33 on December 31, 2017, 09:56:54 PM
Rockets defense is so terrible.

It’s horrendous. This is a pickup game.

Their D is making Tyler Ennis look like a superstar  ::)

EDIT: Granted, these refs have been another level of poor, too.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: kraidstar on December 31, 2017, 10:00:21 PM
Has PJ Tucker saved the day?!?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: mr. dee on December 31, 2017, 10:01:08 PM
I want another OT! Come on, Lakers ;D
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: kraidstar on December 31, 2017, 10:02:51 PM
Mike D'Antoni in the huddle:

"This game looks like it could go all night. We need to try something new and experimental: it's called 'playing defense.' I think it could work with a little effort!"
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: CelticSooner on December 31, 2017, 10:03:21 PM
This is the kind of brutal loss that is good for the pick.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: MattyIce on December 31, 2017, 10:03:22 PM
Has PJ Tucker saved the day?!?

twice!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: CelticsElite on December 31, 2017, 10:03:40 PM
Yesss!

I think this one will make Lakers 2nd worst in the league ahha
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: kraidstar on December 31, 2017, 10:04:10 PM
I want another OT! Come on, Lakers ;D

I only want another OT if it brings them more shame and humiliation.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: jpotter33 on December 31, 2017, 10:04:24 PM
Ringing in the New Year with LA having the 2nd worst record in the league, and a likely loss coming again tomorrow!  ;D
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: slightly biased bias fan on December 31, 2017, 10:04:46 PM
Yesss!

I think this one will make Lakers 2nd worst in the league ahha

Another great day for our pick as Memphis and Dallas both won.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: CelticsElite on December 31, 2017, 10:04:53 PM
http://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft

2nd worst!!!!!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: mr. dee on December 31, 2017, 10:06:07 PM
I want another OT! Come on, Lakers ;D

I only want another OT if it brings them more shame and humiliation.

I can't really root for either the Rockets or the Lakers.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: kraidstar on December 31, 2017, 10:06:54 PM
148 points against! Well done, Lakers!!!!

(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2012/09/Billy-D_Approves.gif)
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: Adelaide Celt on December 31, 2017, 10:09:03 PM
To the 60 or so people all in this thread, happy new year!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: kraidstar on December 31, 2017, 10:11:43 PM
I want another OT! Come on, Lakers ;D

I only want another OT if it brings them more shame and humiliation.

I can't really root for either the Rockets or the Lakers.

Tonight is a good night then!

The young Lakers take a demoralizing double OT loss in which they blew a decent lead and got shredded defensively, sending them plummeting down to 2nd-worst record in the league.

And the idea that the Rockets might be true contenders is rapidly fading as a new reality sets in: their defense is bad, and their interior defense is really, really bad. They are in biiiig troble.

Happy New Year!!!!!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: CelticsElite on December 31, 2017, 10:11:49 PM
We’re starting the new year with the lakers as 2nd worst team hahahah

Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: kraidstar on December 31, 2017, 10:16:41 PM
If the season ended today:
80% chance we keep the pick overall
19% chance at #2 pick
17% chance at #3
32% chance at #4
12% chance at #5
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: jmen788 on December 31, 2017, 10:22:38 PM
If the season ended today:
80% chance we keep the pick overall
19% chance at #2 pick
17% chance at #3
32% chance at #4
12% chance at #5

Not to be Debbie Downer but the Lakers nearly (and should have) won this game against a superior team. They have their best facilitator, Ball, out (and his stats are terrible but he makes his teammates better). The Lakeshow also have a super easy schedule for a few weeks. I hate the Lakers so much and I hate how they are overachieving. Let's enjoy this while we have it because they will be winning some more.. this isn't the 2016-2017 Nets...
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: CelticsElite on December 31, 2017, 10:25:51 PM
If the season ended today:
80% chance we keep the pick overall
19% chance at #2 pick
17% chance at #3
32% chance at #4
12% chance at #5

Not to be Debbie Downer but the Lakers nearly (and should have) won this game against a superior team. They have their best facilitator, Ball, out (and his stats are terrible but he makes his teammates better). The Lakeshow also have a super easy schedule for a few weeks. I hate the Lakers so much and I hate how they are overachieving. Let's enjoy this while we have it because they will be winning some more.. this isn't the 2016-2017 Nets...
the nba is unforgiving for teams that “nearly win.” A lot of teams throughout the years nearly made the 8th seed but missed the playoffs. A lot of teams nearly had winning season, but their head coaches were still fired. We are halfway through the season now. Lakers look worse than they did before.

Btw being without Lonzo ball isn’t bad. He has the worst efficiency in the entire league. He isn’t even in top 5 of rookie power rankings 
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: rondofan1255 on December 31, 2017, 10:30:31 PM
If the season ended today:
80% chance we keep the pick overall
19% chance at #2 pick
17% chance at #3
32% chance at #4
12% chance at #5

Not to be Debbie Downer but the Lakers nearly (and should have) won this game against a superior team. They have their best facilitator, Ball, out (and his stats are terrible but he makes his teammates better). The Lakeshow also have a super easy schedule for a few weeks. I hate the Lakers so much and I hate how they are overachieving. Let's enjoy this while we have it because they will be winning some more.. this isn't the 2016-2017 Nets...

The 15-16 and 16-17 Nets had their share of close calls against superior teams.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: jmen788 on December 31, 2017, 10:30:59 PM
If the season ended today:
80% chance we keep the pick overall
19% chance at #2 pick
17% chance at #3
32% chance at #4
12% chance at #5

Not to be Debbie Downer but the Lakers nearly (and should have) won this game against a superior team. They have their best facilitator, Ball, out (and his stats are terrible but he makes his teammates better). The Lakeshow also have a super easy schedule for a few weeks. I hate the Lakers so much and I hate how they are overachieving. Let's enjoy this while we have it because they will be winning some more.. this isn't the 2016-2017 Nets...
the nba is unforgiving for teams that “nearly win.” A lot of teams throughout the years nearly made the 8th seed but missed the playoffs. A lot of teams nearly had winning season, but their head coaches were still fired. We are halfway through the season now. Lakers look worse than they did before.

Btw being without Lonzo ball isn’t bad. He has the worst efficiency in the entire league. He isn’t even in top 5 of rookie power rankings

Seems like they're losing more since Ball went out. I think our best hope here is (as bad as it is to explicitly say this) an injury to Ingram and/or Kuzma. Especially since there is like a 3 game difference between 2nd and 10th worst.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: jmen788 on December 31, 2017, 10:33:16 PM
If the season ended today:
80% chance we keep the pick overall
19% chance at #2 pick
17% chance at #3
32% chance at #4
12% chance at #5

Not to be Debbie Downer but the Lakers nearly (and should have) won this game against a superior team. They have their best facilitator, Ball, out (and his stats are terrible but he makes his teammates better). The Lakeshow also have a super easy schedule for a few weeks. I hate the Lakers so much and I hate how they are overachieving. Let's enjoy this while we have it because they will be winning some more.. this isn't the 2016-2017 Nets...

The 15-16 and 16-17 Nets had their share of close calls against superior teams.

Agreed but those teams had much less talent than LAL. They beat Philly, nearly beat GSW twice and beat Houston.. they seem to be in all the games they play even against the great teams. It's not like the Nets getting beaten badly and habitually. It's still possible though with some injury help.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 31, 2017, 11:03:01 PM
Lakers played Rockets tuff as nail away .  They are better coached than in while , with better attitude  players.and got rid of the dead weght . 

Kuzma and ingram are good core players.


The effort is there .   
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: Sophomore on December 31, 2017, 11:09:57 PM
Big problem is how close all the teams are. If the Lakers win their next 2 they could end up 10th worst. The head-to-head games against the other bottom feeders are going to be huge.

Here is something that might help -- the Lakers are still looking to slash salary so they can go after free agents next year. There are rumors they might move Clarkson or Randle at the deadline for picks. Those guys aren't world-beaters, but they are in the rotation, ahead of worse players. I'd be fine seeing them leave town. https://lakeshowlife.com/2017/12/31/lakers-rumors-team-love-trade-jordan-clarkson-julius-randle/
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: SparzWizard on December 31, 2017, 11:24:16 PM
Now we need to make sure the Lakers do not fall to the worst record in NBA or that'll deter our pick.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: sdceltsfan on December 31, 2017, 11:58:21 PM
Based on their play thus far, I don't see the Lakers playing .500 ball for the rest of the season. With the games left, that would put them as a 34 win team. Looking at last years standings that would put a team at the 9th or 10th worst record.

Looking at the remaining schedule, they have 18-20 games remaining against the bottom 10 teams.

So they would have to run the table on those games AND stack a few wins against playoff and playoff contending teams to get to that 30-35 win range to get them in that 8-10th worst record, which makes it very unlikely for the pick to convey.


A more likely scenario is they win about half of those bottom 10 matchups. That would give them 9-10 more wins. Throw them another 5-10 wins against contending teams, and you have a realistic projection of around 16 wins by the end of the season.

That would put the Lakers at 27 wins, and looking at last years standings, that is good enough for the 4th worst record in the NBA, or right where we want them to be.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: Roy H. on January 01, 2018, 12:32:46 AM
Now we need to make sure the Lakers do not fall to the worst record in NBA or that'll deter our pick.

I’d take 75% odds of the pick conveying.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: CelticsElite on January 01, 2018, 12:50:58 AM
Now we need to make sure the Lakers do not fall to the worst record in NBA or that'll deter our pick.

I’d take 75% odds of the pick conveying.
yup. At this point we can’t be picky. This draft pick  was compensation for settling on ROY contender  Tatum. It’s house money. If it doesn’t convey, we get the Kings pick
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: Sophomore on January 01, 2018, 01:04:22 AM
Now we need to make sure the Lakers do not fall to the worst record in NBA or that'll deter our pick.

I’d take 75% odds of the pick conveying.
yup. At this point we can’t be picky. This draft pick  was compensation for settling on ROY contender  Tatum. It’s house money. If it doesn’t convey, we get the Kings pick

Actually, if they finish with the worst record it's still a very good outcome for us. Odds of the pick conveying only go down a few points (from about 80% to about 75%) but if the pick does convey our odds of getting pick 2 or 3 go up.  http://www.tankathon.com/pick_odds
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: CelticsElite on January 01, 2018, 01:07:36 AM
Now we need to make sure the Lakers do not fall to the worst record in NBA or that'll deter our pick.

I’d take 75% odds of the pick conveying.
yup. At this point we can’t be picky. This draft pick  was compensation for settling on ROY contender  Tatum. It’s house money. If it doesn’t convey, we get the Kings pick

Actually, if they finish with the worst record it's a very good outcome for us. Odds of the pick conveying only go down a few points (from about 80% to about 75%) but if it does convey our odds of getting pick 2 or 3 go up.  http://www.tankathon.com/pick_odds
fair enough

Getting 2 or 3 would be great. I think I’d take the gamble
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: estendius on January 01, 2018, 01:33:19 AM
The Lakers has some closes game vs Rockets, Gsw, but they have blown out by Clippers, Minnesota, so I'm not sure. A lose is a lose, right.
Overall, I hope they finish 2nd or 3rd wrost record of the league, which make best odds for us.
Enjoy the Lakers is fun. It's good because we have Tatum instead of Fultz, and another pick( Lakers/Sixers/King)
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: Darío SpanishFan on January 01, 2018, 08:03:59 AM
Now we need to make sure the Lakers do not fall to the worst record in NBA or that'll deter our pick.

Wouldn't you sign this outcome today? Come on...

This would be wonderful heading to the lottery.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: CelticsElite on January 01, 2018, 10:21:03 AM
Lakers play wolves at 8pm today. No time for rest lol

Magic vs nets  , doesn’t matter who wins

Need bulls to beat blazers
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: GreenShooter on January 01, 2018, 10:27:29 AM
Too bad the season doesn't end today.
Otherwise, let's not overlook the fact that the second worst record and the 10th spot are only 1.5 games apart. It is going to be a roller coaster of a ride the rest the season. Let's keep an even keel for now.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-23, 3rd Slot on 12/29)
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 01, 2018, 11:15:43 AM
Now we need to make sure the Lakers do not fall to the worst record in NBA or that'll deter our pick.

I'd love to see LAL drop many games below their closest competitors for the worst record.  Will need a nice cushion heading into the last third of the season when teams accept their fates as non-playoff teams and free-fall into the tank.   
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: Erik on January 01, 2018, 11:18:03 AM
I think #1 seed is the statistically best outcome for us. You lose 5% chance that the pick conveys but you also lose the 12.4%+ that the pick is 5th. I think the 5th pick is garbage in this draft and I'd rather want the kings 2019 in that case. I really only want 2nd or 3rd if I had to pick and first pick puts most percentage there.. Even porter looks bad. Back surgery this young is no joke.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: Birdman on January 01, 2018, 12:09:09 PM
Only 3 players I want..bagley, Bamba, or Arizona center...
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: Phantom255x on January 01, 2018, 01:04:08 PM
I'd be perfectly fine if the Lakers finish with 3rd worst in the league.

There is a risk that having the 2nd worst record could equal #1 pick this summer.

But hopefully the Lakers finish 2nd or 3rd worst in the league and we get pick #2 (or #3..)

For me, I'd be ECSTATIC with either Bagley, Ayton or Bamba. Even Porter (if medically cleared) or Doncic would be great gets, though I figure between Doncic and Ayton, one of the two will be the #1 pick (which we don't get). Porter I might take if pick lands #5.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: jambr380 on January 01, 2018, 01:30:32 PM
I don't know if Porter will recover 100% (he is supposed to), but he was the #1 prospect going into the year - even after Bagley re-classified. If he is healthy, I don't think we should be all that bummed that we ended up having to settle for him.

And I think we should all consider ourselves extremely lucky if the pick happens to convey. This next stretch for the Lakers will be very telling.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: Phantom255x on January 01, 2018, 01:34:17 PM
I don't know if Porter will recover 100% (he is supposed to), but he was the #1 prospect going into the year - even after Bagley re-classified. If he is healthy, I don't think we should be all that bummed that we ended up having to settle for him.

And I think we should all consider ourselves extremely lucky if the pick happens to convey. This next stretch for the Lakers will be very telling.

Yeah very true. Still a long season to go.

But it's at least encouraging that we're in this position, considering a few weeks ago the Lakers looked like a team that was winning a lot and would land a pick between 10-13 range (not even close to Top-5). Plus, the Lakers may trade a player or two in the coming months to open up cap space for the summer I believe (guys like Randle and/or Clarkson).
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 01, 2018, 02:34:54 PM
I don't know if Porter will recover 100% (he is supposed to), but he was the #1 prospect going into the year - even after Bagley re-classified. If he is healthy, I don't think we should be all that bummed that we ended up having to settle for him.

And I think we should all consider ourselves extremely lucky if the pick happens to convey. This next stretch for the Lakers will be very telling.

Yeah very true. Still a long season to go.

But it's at least encouraging that we're in this position, considering a few weeks ago the Lakers looked like a team that was winning a lot and would land a pick between 10-13 range (not even close to Top-5). Plus, the Lakers may trade a player or two in the coming months to open up cap space for the summer I believe (guys like Randle and/or Clarkson).

great point ....if they dump those guys to make room for Lewhine   its gonna tank em.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: smokeablount on January 01, 2018, 02:35:37 PM
Cautiously optimistic about the pick conveying, but still very skeptical. These Lakers can consistently hang with the top teams, it seems like.

It’s great to be 2nd worst now, but they just played a murderous December that has caused their record to plummet. While they still have an overall tough schedule, aren’t things going to balance out?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: smokeablount on January 01, 2018, 02:41:34 PM
I’d expect the Lakers to finish no worse than 4th- behind ATL, one of SAC/PHX and one of CHI/ORL.

I could see them finishing 3rd worst if literally everything breaks right, including Ingram’s shooting hand, but it seems more likely that they’d finish 6th or 7th worst, than 2nd or 3rd worst.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: konkmv on January 01, 2018, 02:56:11 PM
The issue  is that the Lakers pick will bee higher than the nets pick...  if lin and Russell were healthy nets would be even in playoff mode... nice job danny
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: keevsnick on January 01, 2018, 04:04:25 PM
As fun as December has been for us it's gonna be January that makes or breaks this pick. They play a slate of bottom dwelling teams coming up this monthh including Atlanta, Sac, Dal, Mem, Chi among others. If they stay down through January I will feel a lot better.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: sdceltsfan on January 01, 2018, 04:10:17 PM
The Lakers do play a lot of bad teams in January. Half of their games are against bottom
10. It is their easiest stretch, along with 10
games in Feb, IMO, for the rest of the season. I think with their injuries and inconsistent play, a .500 projection for January is very generous. 7-8 wins, would put them at 18-19 by the end of January. Another .500 stretch in Feb would put them at 23-24 wins.

Then "Beware the ides of March" comes upon LA, where the time comes to settle their debts. Where every win starts to really matter for playoff contending teams. LA has only 4 games against the current bottom ten in that long month. I think they would be lucky to get 4-6 wins in that time. That would put them in the 27-30 win range.

Seven games in April. Only two against the bad teams. Another 2-3 wins and they are in the 29-33 win range. They would finish 9th worst with 33 wins based on the high end of the projection, and tied for 5th worst with 29 wins, or the low-end of that projection.

Again this is a generous win % to give them. I would say 29-30 is a more realistic high end, and 25-27 as a low end, which puts them right in the sweet spot for the pick to convey.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: nickagneta on January 01, 2018, 05:03:10 PM
I think this Lakers twam is horrible. I can definitely see them at 25-57 and in the bottom three in the league.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: JHTruth on January 01, 2018, 05:13:17 PM
I think this Lakers twam is horrible. I can definitely see them at 25-57 and in the bottom three in the league.

They are absolutely pathetic. Remember they havent just been losing to bad teams, they lost to Memphis at home. They've lost 9 of 10 and 14 of 17. Every game is a tough game for them, sure sign of  terrible team. I say 26 wins topsf
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: Ilikesports17 on January 01, 2018, 05:17:50 PM
BBall refs projecting them to finish 6th worst which would give us like a 33 percent chance at the pick.

Teams like LA typically underperform these projections by a bit because they are so young and lose close games.

If they trade Clarkson or Randle to clear up space for multiple maxes this offseason they could dip even farther.

Dont think its likely we get the pick, but its entirely possible right now.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: chilidawg on January 01, 2018, 05:34:18 PM
BBall refs projecting them to finish 6th worst which would give us like a 33 percent chance at the pick.

Teams like LA typically underperform these projections by a bit because they are so young and lose close games.

If they trade Clarkson or Randle to clear up space for multiple maxes this offseason they could dip even farther.

Dont think its likely we get the pick, but its entirely possible right now.

6th worst only gives a 15% chance of conveying.  Why are posters too lazy to look up basic facts?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: Ilikesports17 on January 01, 2018, 06:12:59 PM
BBall refs projecting them to finish 6th worst which would give us like a 33 percent chance at the pick.

Teams like LA typically underperform these projections by a bit because they are so young and lose close games.

If they trade Clarkson or Randle to clear up space for multiple maxes this offseason they could dip even farther.

Dont think its likely we get the pick, but its entirely possible right now.

6th worst only gives a 15% chance of conveying.  Why are posters too lazy to look up basic facts?
My fault. Miswrote the post.

BBall ref projects them to finish in 6th, but projects their chances of landing 2-5 post lotto at ~33%
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: nickagneta on January 01, 2018, 06:22:42 PM
BBall refs projecting them to finish 6th worst which would give us like a 33 percent chance at the pick.

Teams like LA typically underperform these projections by a bit because they are so young and lose close games.

If they trade Clarkson or Randle to clear up space for multiple maxes this offseason they could dip even farther.

Dont think its likely we get the pick, but its entirely possible right now.

6th worst only gives a 15% chance of conveying.  Why are posters too lazy to look up basic facts?
My fault. Miswrote the post.

BBall ref projects them to finish in 6th, but projects their chances of landing 2-5 post lotto at ~33%
Yeah, they're wrong. The 6th pick has a 7.1% chancs of landing the 2nd pick and an 8.1% chance of landing the third pick. So add them together, the Celtics have a 15.2% chance of getting a pick if the Lakers finish 6th worst.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: Ilikesports17 on January 01, 2018, 06:43:30 PM
BBall refs projecting them to finish 6th worst which would give us like a 33 percent chance at the pick.

Teams like LA typically underperform these projections by a bit because they are so young and lose close games.

If they trade Clarkson or Randle to clear up space for multiple maxes this offseason they could dip even farther.

Dont think its likely we get the pick, but its entirely possible right now.

6th worst only gives a 15% chance of conveying.  Why are posters too lazy to look up basic facts?
My fault. Miswrote the post.

BBall ref projects them to finish in 6th, but projects their chances of landing 2-5 post lotto at ~33%
Yeah, they're wrong. The 6th pick has a 7.1% chancs of landing the 2nd pick and an 8.1% chance of landing the third pick. So add them together, the Celtics have a 15.2% chance of getting a pick if the Lakers finish 6th worst.
yes, but the 33% number is not he probability that the pick lands 2-5 given that LA finishes 6th worst.

They've taken the probability that they believe LA lands in each slot and multiplied that by the probability that each slot results in each post-lotto position and added them up.

Today, BBall ref is projecting LA to have a 33% chance of ultimately seeing the pick conveyed.

Their projection is not perfect, but I think its inaccurate to say that they are "wrong"
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: jpotter33 on January 01, 2018, 07:38:07 PM
Have a good chance of running the relevant Lakers pick games again tonight:

Orlando at Brooklyn —> win/win

Portland at Chicago —> Chicago has a good shot to steal this one with Lillard still out

LAL at Minnesota —> should be an easy loss for LAL after a double OT game last night
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: chilidawg on January 01, 2018, 07:55:56 PM
BBall refs projecting them to finish 6th worst which would give us like a 33 percent chance at the pick.

Teams like LA typically underperform these projections by a bit because they are so young and lose close games.

If they trade Clarkson or Randle to clear up space for multiple maxes this offseason they could dip even farther.

Dont think its likely we get the pick, but its entirely possible right now.

6th worst only gives a 15% chance of conveying.  Why are posters too lazy to look up basic facts?
My fault. Miswrote the post.

BBall ref projects them to finish in 6th, but projects their chances of landing 2-5 post lotto at ~33%
Yeah, they're wrong. The 6th pick has a 7.1% chancs of landing the 2nd pick and an 8.1% chance of landing the third pick. So add them together, the Celtics have a 15.2% chance of getting a pick if the Lakers finish 6th worst.
yes, but the 33% number is not he probability that the pick lands 2-5 given that LA finishes 6th worst.

They've taken the probability that they believe LA lands in each slot and multiplied that by the probability that each slot results in each post-lotto position and added them up.

Today, BBall ref is projecting LA to have a 33% chance of ultimately seeing the pick conveyed.

Their projection is not perfect, but I think its inaccurate to say that they are "wrong"

Thanks for clarifying.  Sorry I took out a pet peeve on you.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: nickagneta on January 01, 2018, 07:58:44 PM
BBall refs projecting them to finish 6th worst which would give us like a 33 percent chance at the pick.

Teams like LA typically underperform these projections by a bit because they are so young and lose close games.

If they trade Clarkson or Randle to clear up space for multiple maxes this offseason they could dip even farther.

Dont think its likely we get the pick, but its entirely possible right now.

6th worst only gives a 15% chance of conveying.  Why are posters too lazy to look up basic facts?
My fault. Miswrote the post.

BBall ref projects them to finish in 6th, but projects their chances of landing 2-5 post lotto at ~33%
Yeah, they're wrong. The 6th pick has a 7.1% chancs of landing the 2nd pick and an 8.1% chance of landing the third pick. So add them together, the Celtics have a 15.2% chance of getting a pick if the Lakers finish 6th worst.
yes, but the 33% number is not he probability that the pick lands 2-5 given that LA finishes 6th worst.

They've taken the probability that they believe LA lands in each slot and multiplied that by the probability that each slot results in each post-lotto position and added them up.

Today, BBall ref is projecting LA to have a 33% chance of ultimately seeing the pick conveyed.

Their projection is not perfect, but I think its inaccurate to say that they are "wrong"
You lost me here...first you say they project LA to finish in the sixth spot and they project that in that case for the pick to convey to Boston at 33%. That's dead wrong if LA lands 6th. Its a 15.2% chance as the only way the pick conveys is if we win the lottery and get either the third or second pick.

Whatever other math they are doing isn't just for the 6th slot. At least that's what it sounds like. It sounds like they are doing the probability the pick conveys no matter where the Lakers land in the lottery.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: Ilikesports17 on January 01, 2018, 08:06:52 PM
BBall refs projecting them to finish 6th worst which would give us like a 33 percent chance at the pick.

Teams like LA typically underperform these projections by a bit because they are so young and lose close games.

If they trade Clarkson or Randle to clear up space for multiple maxes this offseason they could dip even farther.

Dont think its likely we get the pick, but its entirely possible right now.

6th worst only gives a 15% chance of conveying.  Why are posters too lazy to look up basic facts?
My fault. Miswrote the post.

BBall ref projects them to finish in 6th, but projects their chances of landing 2-5 post lotto at ~33%
Yeah, they're wrong. The 6th pick has a 7.1% chancs of landing the 2nd pick and an 8.1% chance of landing the third pick. So add them together, the Celtics have a 15.2% chance of getting a pick if the Lakers finish 6th worst.
yes, but the 33% number is not he probability that the pick lands 2-5 given that LA finishes 6th worst.

They've taken the probability that they believe LA lands in each slot and multiplied that by the probability that each slot results in each post-lotto position and added them up.

Today, BBall ref is projecting LA to have a 33% chance of ultimately seeing the pick conveyed.

Their projection is not perfect, but I think its inaccurate to say that they are "wrong"
You lost me here...first you say they project LA to finish in the sixth spot and they project that in that case for the pick to convey to Boston at 33%. That's dead wrong if LA lands 6th. Its a 15.2% chance as the only way the pick conveys is if we win the lottery and get either the third or second pick.

Whatever other math they are doing isn't just for the 6th slot. At least that's what it sounds like. It sounds like they are doing the probability the pick conveys no matter where the Lakers land in the lottery.
yeah. It was my fault because the way I wrote it suggests (explicitly states) that the numbers were directly correlated. They arent.

BBall ref generates probabilities that a team finishes in each spot. The found the 6th spot to be the most likely for the LA Lakers.

Then they use the aggregate of these probabilities in combination with the given lotto odds at each spot to calculate the odds that a team holds each spot in the post-lotto draft.

BBall ref has projects the Lakers chances of a 2-5 post lotto pick at 2-5. They have also projected that the Lakers are most likely to finish 6th to worst. These are separate projections. The confusion is a product of my inability to write a sentence.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: CelticsElite on January 01, 2018, 08:30:04 PM
Wolves destroying the lakers so far
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: nickagneta on January 01, 2018, 08:44:24 PM
BBall refs projecting them to finish 6th worst which would give us like a 33 percent chance at the pick.

Teams like LA typically underperform these projections by a bit because they are so young and lose close games.

If they trade Clarkson or Randle to clear up space for multiple maxes this offseason they could dip even farther.

Dont think its likely we get the pick, but its entirely possible right now.

6th worst only gives a 15% chance of conveying.  Why are posters too lazy to look up basic facts?
My fault. Miswrote the post.

BBall ref projects them to finish in 6th, but projects their chances of landing 2-5 post lotto at ~33%
Yeah, they're wrong. The 6th pick has a 7.1% chancs of landing the 2nd pick and an 8.1% chance of landing the third pick. So add them together, the Celtics have a 15.2% chance of getting a pick if the Lakers finish 6th worst.
yes, but the 33% number is not he probability that the pick lands 2-5 given that LA finishes 6th worst.

They've taken the probability that they believe LA lands in each slot and multiplied that by the probability that each slot results in each post-lotto position and added them up.

Today, BBall ref is projecting LA to have a 33% chance of ultimately seeing the pick conveyed.

Their projection is not perfect, but I think its inaccurate to say that they are "wrong"
You lost me here...first you say they project LA to finish in the sixth spot and they project that in that case for the pick to convey to Boston at 33%. That's dead wrong if LA lands 6th. Its a 15.2% chance as the only way the pick conveys is if we win the lottery and get either the third or second pick.

Whatever other math they are doing isn't just for the 6th slot. At least that's what it sounds like. It sounds like they are doing the probability the pick conveys no matter where the Lakers land in the lottery.
yeah. It was my fault because the way I wrote it suggests (explicitly states) that the numbers were directly correlated. They arent.

BBall ref generates probabilities that a team finishes in each spot. The found the 6th spot to be the most likely for the LA Lakers.

Then they use the aggregate of these probabilities in combination with the given lotto odds at each spot to calculate the odds that a team holds each spot in the post-lotto draft.

BBall ref has projects the Lakers chances of a 2-5 post lotto pick at 2-5. They have also projected that the Lakers are most likely to finish 6th to worst. These are separate projections. The confusion is a product of my inability to write a sentence.
Ahhh. Okay. TP. That makes a lot more sense
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: CelticsElite on January 01, 2018, 08:44:50 PM
They only have 18 pts and we’re almost done with the first half lol

Someone’s tired after double OT
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: liam on January 01, 2018, 09:16:03 PM
48-60 at the half...
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: Jiri Welsch on January 01, 2018, 09:31:52 PM
8-2 to start 2nd half. They aren’t giving up easily.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: liam on January 01, 2018, 09:33:48 PM
8-2 to start 2nd half. They aren’t giving up easily.

7 point game...
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: jpotter33 on January 01, 2018, 09:45:46 PM
Nets up on Magic by 2 with a minute to go.

It'd probably be better for the Lakers pick if the Magic won, but given that Cleveland owns the Nets pick and they're also a threat to the Lakers pick, I won't mind the Nets winning.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: sdceltsfan on January 01, 2018, 09:49:31 PM
Sidenote- if the Lakers are really shopping Randle, we should be looking to make a move for him. The guy is playing great transition ball right now. Much faster than I remember. I think he would freaking kill it in Coach Stevens system!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: liam on January 01, 2018, 09:52:48 PM
Sidenote- if the Lakers are really shopping Randle, we should be looking to make a move for him. The guy is playing great transition ball right now. Much faster than I remember. I think he would freaking kill it in Coach Stevens system!

He is playing his best basketball this year but hopefully it's not just chasing a contract. He would probably be worth a flyer...
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: sdceltsfan on January 01, 2018, 09:57:33 PM
I had suggested trading Smart for Randle and then using the DPE on Tyreke/Lou Williams.

Two moves that would definitely generate more offense from the bench compared to the loss of Smarts defensive presence and his moments of brilliance.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: Jiri Welsch on January 01, 2018, 10:18:25 PM
Another L for the Lakers. Now, their next 6 games are big. If they can find a way to drop most, then we are sitting pretty.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: sdceltsfan on January 01, 2018, 10:18:54 PM
LAL half-court offense is very painful to watch. I don't see how getting Lonzo back makes it much better either. Until he can consistently finish at the rim and get shots to fall, his passing and spacing positives don't make that big of an impact.

Then when Lopez gets back, I mean, we'll see. He might just end up slowing the whole transition offense down, which is about the only thing LA seems to do well some of the time.

They are a p--- poor team all around. They finish in the bottom 5 baring an complete 180 in Balls offensive output. A handful of guys who are 3rd and 4th options on most teams. Zero star power. No defensive anchor. Ingrahm and Kuzma is not enough offense to beat 9 out of 10 teams any given night.

Hope we end up with the #3 pick again, since it's proving to be our magic number. Grab the remaining player out of Ayton/Bagley/Porter (in that order of preference) and steamroll the NBA for a decade.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: MVPPierceNoJoke on January 01, 2018, 10:27:10 PM
Pick is looking good as good as it can as of now. Tomorrow night has 3 matchups of bottom feeders playing head to head as well. It is starting to look like the league low in wins will be around 23-25.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: liam on January 01, 2018, 10:33:28 PM
LAL half-court offense is very painful to watch. I don't see how getting Lonzo back makes it much better either. Until he can consistently finish at the rim and get shots to fall, his passing and spacing positives don't make that big of an impact.

Then when Lopez gets back, I mean, we'll see. He might just end up slowing the whole transition offense down, which is about the only thing LA seems to do well some of the time.

They are a p--- poor team all around. They finish in the bottom 5 baring an complete 180 in Balls offensive output. A handful of guys who are 3rd and 4th options on most teams. Zero star power. No defensive anchor. Ingrahm and Kuzma is not enough offense to beat 9 out of 10 teams any given night.

Hope we end up with the #3 pick again, since it's proving to be our magic number. Grab the remaining player out of Ayton/Bagley/Porter (in that order of preference) and steamroll the NBA for a decade.

I'd love for The Celtics to grab that kid Doncic with the 3rd pick. He looks like the real deal!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: sdceltsfan on January 01, 2018, 10:52:03 PM
Agree with you on Doncic, although I have him at #4, followed by Bamba, Trae Young, and Colin Sexton.

This team is an elite big man away from being unstoppable for a long time, so I am drooling at the idea of adding one of Ayton or Bagley. Lol, it's almost not fair!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: SparzWizard on January 01, 2018, 11:04:13 PM
Lakers lose + Brooklyn wins = Celtics win.

 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: footey on January 02, 2018, 12:45:07 AM
As of Lakers record today we have an 80.1 percent chance of getting their pick. Pretty awesome.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: liam on January 02, 2018, 02:11:47 AM
Agree with you on Doncic, although I have him at #4, followed by Bamba, Trae Young, and Colin Sexton.

This team is an elite big man away from being unstoppable for a long time, so I am drooling at the idea of adding one of Ayton or Bagley. Lol, it's almost not fair!

I like Doncic and would take him at # 1 in this draft because he is a prototypical modern player. He can shoot, handle, defend, block, shots, rebound, drive. He's the kind of player that could be the best player in the NBA in 5 years. He's a perfect swing for the fences player...
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: gouki88 on January 02, 2018, 03:32:26 AM
Agree with you on Doncic, although I have him at #4, followed by Bamba, Trae Young, and Colin Sexton.

This team is an elite big man away from being unstoppable for a long time, so I am drooling at the idea of adding one of Ayton or Bagley. Lol, it's almost not fair!

I like Doncic and would take him at # 1 in this draft because he is a prototypical modern player. He can shoot, handle, defend, block, shots, rebound, drive. He's the kind of player that could be the best player in the NBA in 5 years. He's a perfect swing for the fences player...
Agree, Doncic is my guy. He could be amazing.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: bopna on January 02, 2018, 03:35:01 AM
Im sure the Pels are also monitoring the Fakers.

This would be their in case of emergency break glass situation where in they get something rather lose AD...which believe me they will...theyd get something really good back plus some more assets like Brown or even MS (would Smart really look good with the Pels if they can hold on to Cousins ).
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: trickybilly on January 02, 2018, 03:42:28 AM
Agree with you on Doncic, although I have him at #4, followed by Bamba, Trae Young, and Colin Sexton.

This team is an elite big man away from being unstoppable for a long time, so I am drooling at the idea of adding one of Ayton or Bagley. Lol, it's almost not fair!

I know we say it every year, but this is a seriously deep Top Tier draft.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: footey on January 02, 2018, 07:29:27 AM
And no one is even talking about Porter due to his injury. And he could be the best one.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: Sophomore on January 02, 2018, 10:24:12 AM
And no one is even talking about Porter due to his injury. And he could be the best one.

He could be. Time for the team medical staffs to really earn their pay gazing into the crystal ball.
I would not want that job! Wonder if he stays out of the draft a year; suppose it depends on where he thinks he would go. 
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: mef730 on January 02, 2018, 03:02:21 PM
I think #1 seed is the statistically best outcome for us. You lose 5% chance that the pick conveys but you also lose the 12.4%+ that the pick is 5th. I think the 5th pick is garbage in this draft and I'd rather want the kings 2019 in that case. I really only want 2nd or 3rd if I had to pick and first pick puts most percentage there.. Even porter looks bad. Back surgery this young is no joke.

I'd rather see them at #2 than #1. I know it's only a 5% difference, but I'd really rather the 76ers didn't have the best shot at the first pick.

Mike
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: GreenEnvy on January 02, 2018, 03:15:44 PM
Agree with you on Doncic, although I have him at #4, followed by Bamba, Trae Young, and Colin Sexton.

This team is an elite big man away from being unstoppable for a long time, so I am drooling at the idea of adding one of Ayton or Bagley. Lol, it's almost not fair!

I know we say it every year, but this is a seriously deep Top Tier draft.

Ha. It really does seem that way, with the exception of 2016 (considered a two-man draft), we always seem to hear “the deepest draft since 2003”...
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-24, 2nd Slot on 12/31)
Post by: gouki88 on January 02, 2018, 03:28:41 PM
I think #1 seed is the statistically best outcome for us. You lose 5% chance that the pick conveys but you also lose the 12.4%+ that the pick is 5th. I think the 5th pick is garbage in this draft and I'd rather want the kings 2019 in that case. I really only want 2nd or 3rd if I had to pick and first pick puts most percentage there.. Even porter looks bad. Back surgery this young is no joke.

I'd rather see them at #2 than #1. I know it's only a 5% difference, but I'd really rather the 76ers didn't have the best shot at the first pick.

Mike
Yeah, this is an overlooked aspect I think. The 76ers adding Doncic or Bagley (best fit for their current roster IMO) is terrifying as a prospect
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: mef730 on January 02, 2018, 03:34:09 PM
For those looking at strength of schedule, I did a VERY rudimentary look at who teams have played so far.

There are 13 teams who have played more teams that were .500 and above, so the Lakers are somewhat in the middle. The Lakers have played 21.

There are 16 teams that have played more teams that were below .500. Since a few had the same as the Lakers, the Lakers should see a slight benefit in the second half of the year.

Overall, it looks like the Lakers' schedule might have been slightly more difficult than average so far, but a team that was >.500 when the Lakers played them might not be any longer. In other words, minimal statistical significance.

Mike
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: saltlover on January 02, 2018, 03:46:15 PM
For those looking at strength of schedule, I did a VERY rudimentary look at who teams have played so far.

There are 13 teams who have played more teams that were .500 and above, so the Lakers are somewhat in the middle. The Lakers have played 21.

There are 16 teams that have played more teams that were below .500. Since a few had the same as the Lakers, the Lakers should see a slight benefit in the second half of the year.

Overall, it looks like the Lakers' schedule might have been slightly more difficult than average so far, but a team that was >.500 when the Lakers played them might not be any longer. In other words, minimal statistical significance.

Mike

I did a more detailed look last night, and the Lakers have played teams with a combined 53% winning percentage so far this season.  It was tedious, so I didn’t look to see the winning percentage of remaining opponents. 
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: nickagneta on January 02, 2018, 03:53:23 PM
For those looking at strength of schedule, I did a VERY rudimentary look at who teams have played so far.

There are 13 teams who have played more teams that were .500 and above, so the Lakers are somewhat in the middle. The Lakers have played 21.

There are 16 teams that have played more teams that were below .500. Since a few had the same as the Lakers, the Lakers should see a slight benefit in the second half of the year.

Overall, it looks like the Lakers' schedule might have been slightly more difficult than average so far, but a team that was >.500 when the Lakers played them might not be any longer. In other words, minimal statistical significance.

Mike

I did a more detailed look last night, and the Lakers have played teams with a combined 53% winning percentage so far this season.  It was tedious, so I didn’t look to see the winning percentage of remaining opponents.
I thought I read that before the season started, based on last year's records, that the Lakers had either the 2nd or 3rd hardest strength of schefule in the league
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 02, 2018, 04:05:01 PM
tonight's win-win games:

ATL (10-26) @ PHX (14-24)
CHA (13-23) @ SAC (12-24)
MEM (12-25) @ LAC (16-19)

Clips should be out of the picture soon, so Go Hawks Kings and Grizzlies!



Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: MattyIce on January 02, 2018, 11:28:47 PM
wow what a block by M Chriss to win the game and get the suns another win
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: jpotter33 on January 02, 2018, 11:29:10 PM
Chriss saves the win for Phoenix! They’re now four wins up on LA, which is big given that they were a legitimate threat to finish below LA.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: CelticsElite on January 03, 2018, 02:32:54 AM
suns, hornets, and clippers all got a little more seperation upward. would have preferred the grizz who could use some wins to beat the clips but at least clips are near playoff seeding now as opposed to even a month ago
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: CelticsElite on January 03, 2018, 02:37:31 AM
tough night for the pick tomorrow. we need:

thunder to beat lakers and
1. mavs to beat warriors
2. magic to beat rockets
3. nets to beat wolves
4. bulls to beat raptors
5. suns to beat nuggets
6. jazz to beat pelicans

Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: konkmv on January 03, 2018, 03:50:42 AM
They are a bottom 6 team for sure...
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: TheSundanceKid on January 03, 2018, 04:47:44 AM
They are a bottom 6 team for sure...

They are a bottom 8 team for sure. A month ago people were saying we'd never get the pick because LA were close to the 8th seed, now they go on a losing streak and we are guaranteed the pick. They'll go on a run at some point and move back up the ranks, hopefully not too much.

There is still a long way to go, if I were to revisit my pre-season prediction I'd still agree with it. The Lakers will finish with the 4th or 5th worst record, we will need luck in the lottery to get the Lakers pick to convey.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: mef730 on January 03, 2018, 01:28:16 PM
They are a bottom 6 team for sure...

They are a bottom 8 team for sure. A month ago people were saying we'd never get the pick because LA were close to the 8th seed, now they go on a losing streak and we are guaranteed the pick. They'll go on a run at some point and move back up the ranks, hopefully not too much.

There is still a long way to go, if I were to revisit my pre-season prediction I'd still agree with it. The Lakers will finish with the 4th or 5th worst record, we will need luck in the lottery to get the Lakers pick to convey.

I still have them outside the lottery. Orlando, Sacramento, Atlanta and Dallas and Brooklyn will trail.

Mike
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: konkmv on January 03, 2018, 02:19:33 PM
The nets are better... when okafor and Russell get in they will be fine
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: nickagneta on January 03, 2018, 02:25:13 PM
The nets are better... when okafor and Russell get in they will be fine
If Okafor ever gets in. He has been in Brooklyn for 14 games and had played in one game for 22 minutes and had a +/- of -21. Brooklyn is a bad team. Okafor SHOULD be getting minutes there. That he isn't is telling.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 03, 2018, 02:32:36 PM
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Lonzo Ball (shoulder) will not play tonight vs. OKC, Lakers say. Brook Lopez (ankle) and Kyle Kuzma (quad) are available.

https://twitter.com/Mike_Bresnahan/status/948632008925696001
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: Ilikesports17 on January 03, 2018, 02:34:41 PM
The nets are better... when okafor and Russell get in they will be fine
If Okafor ever gets in. He has been in Brooklyn for 14 games and had played in one game for 22 minutes and had a +/- of -21. Brooklyn is a bad team. Okafor SHOULD be getting minutes there. That he isn't is telling.
They told him he was in unacceptable shape and wouldn't play until that changed
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: GreenEnvy on January 03, 2018, 02:36:07 PM
They are a bottom 6 team for sure...

They are a bottom 8 team for sure. A month ago people were saying we'd never get the pick because LA were close to the 8th seed, now they go on a losing streak and we are guaranteed the pick. They'll go on a run at some point and move back up the ranks, hopefully not too much.

There is still a long way to go, if I were to revisit my pre-season prediction I'd still agree with it. The Lakers will finish with the 4th or 5th worst record, we will need luck in the lottery to get the Lakers pick to convey.

4th or 5th worst means we wouldn’t need luck to get it. Bad luck could prevent us from getting it, but we wouldn’t be hoping for good fortune for conveyance.

They are a bottom 6 team for sure...

They are a bottom 8 team for sure. A month ago people were saying we'd never get the pick because LA were close to the 8th seed, now they go on a losing streak and we are guaranteed the pick. They'll go on a run at some point and move back up the ranks, hopefully not too much.

There is still a long way to go, if I were to revisit my pre-season prediction I'd still agree with it. The Lakers will finish with the 4th or 5th worst record, we will need luck in the lottery to get the Lakers pick to convey.

I still have them outside the lottery. Orlando, Sacramento, Atlanta and Dallas and Brooklyn will trail.

Mike

Outside the lottery?!?

You think they are making the playoffs? I hope you mean outside the top-5. I personally think they are bottom-5.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: CelticsElite on January 03, 2018, 02:51:15 PM
The Lakers are the worst team. Easily. Bottom 3. They aren't a bottom 8. They aren't a bottom 6. And they aren't outside the lottery. They are on a long LOSING streak for a reason
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: nickagneta on January 03, 2018, 02:51:24 PM
The nets are better... when okafor and Russell get in they will be fine
If Okafor ever gets in. He has been in Brooklyn for 14 games and had played in one game for 22 minutes and had a +/- of -21. Brooklyn is a bad team. Okafor SHOULD be getting minutes there. That he isn't is telling.
They told him he was in unacceptable shape and wouldn't play until that changed
Had no idea. I guess I was right. It is telling.

Thing is wasn't there a story about him coming into camp much thinner and in great shape. Maybe that story was bogus.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: mef730 on January 03, 2018, 03:13:45 PM
They are a bottom 6 team for sure...

They are a bottom 8 team for sure. A month ago people were saying we'd never get the pick because LA were close to the 8th seed, now they go on a losing streak and we are guaranteed the pick. They'll go on a run at some point and move back up the ranks, hopefully not too much.

There is still a long way to go, if I were to revisit my pre-season prediction I'd still agree with it. The Lakers will finish with the 4th or 5th worst record, we will need luck in the lottery to get the Lakers pick to convey.

4th or 5th worst means we wouldn’t need luck to get it. Bad luck could prevent us from getting it, but we wouldn’t be hoping for good fortune for conveyance.

They are a bottom 6 team for sure...

They are a bottom 8 team for sure. A month ago people were saying we'd never get the pick because LA were close to the 8th seed, now they go on a losing streak and we are guaranteed the pick. They'll go on a run at some point and move back up the ranks, hopefully not too much.

There is still a long way to go, if I were to revisit my pre-season prediction I'd still agree with it. The Lakers will finish with the 4th or 5th worst record, we will need luck in the lottery to get the Lakers pick to convey.

I still have them outside the lottery. Orlando, Sacramento, Atlanta and Dallas and Brooklyn will trail.

Mike

Outside the lottery?!?

You think they are making the playoffs? I hope you mean outside the top-5. I personally think they are bottom-5.

Oops. What you said.

Mike
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: sdceltsfan on January 03, 2018, 03:54:55 PM
The only thing that will allow for LA to drastically improve this season would be to make trades for Paul George and/or Demarcus Cousins. Realistically, I don't see this as possible, at least to get both players, without trading Luol Deng. Neither team is going to take on that contract unless LA is willing to forfeit at least one unprotected 1st rounder, which would be a high risk/reward for LA and NO/OKC. Makes no sense.

However, a trade of Randle, Clarkson, Zubac and some kind of heavily protected 1st rounder would be a solid return for either NO or OKC, if it becomes clear that retaining either guy is futile.

Does this type of move produce immediate wins for LA, or is it more of a lateral move for this season, to set up for free agency in summer?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: Ilikesports17 on January 03, 2018, 03:59:54 PM
The nets are better... when okafor and Russell get in they will be fine
If Okafor ever gets in. He has been in Brooklyn for 14 games and had played in one game for 22 minutes and had a +/- of -21. Brooklyn is a bad team. Okafor SHOULD be getting minutes there. That he isn't is telling.
They told him he was in unacceptable shape and wouldn't play until that changed
Had no idea. I guess I was right. It is telling.

Thing is wasn't there a story about him coming into camp much thinner and in great shape. Maybe that story was bogus.
It was probably one of the countless bogus "best shape of my life" stories, but in Philly he was riding pine and probably not practicing. Its possible he came into camp in shape and then kinda deteriorated. This would still be his fault as a professional athlete has a responsibility to stay in good shape regardless.

Either way, it appears he has finally reached an adequate level of fitness and we will see if he can finally start contributing to winning.

https://nypost.com/2018/01/02/the-nets-are-unleashing-jahlil-okafor-whose-game-is-changing/

I've long thought he was a talented kid and stayed on the Okafor train longer than almost anyone else. He is a tremendously talented player with some incredible physical attributes. I wish him the best.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: BringToughnessBack on January 03, 2018, 04:00:49 PM
Oh the joy in getting to root for the Lakers to lose games for us! Let them gut their team at the trade deadline for a chance to sign a few big stars in the offseason! Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: Dannys Chipotle Guy on January 03, 2018, 04:06:20 PM
Oh the joy in getting to root for the Lakers to lose games for us! Let them gut their team at the trade deadline for a chance to sign a few big stars in the offseason! Fingers crossed.
Clarkson and Randle have been two of their best players this year and both could be on the way out as salary dumps.

Fingers crossed indeed.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: sdceltsfan on January 03, 2018, 04:11:22 PM
I agree...just hoping it's for a mediocre, larger expiring deal like Greg Monroe, to clear cap space AND make them even worse intermittently.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 03, 2018, 05:27:40 PM
We know that Lakers are assured good luck in the lottery. With the exception of the 2014 draft, LAL has been the only team in the NBA (since the Lakers tank began) to either move up or remain equal based on their pre-lottery position.  Lakers have lucked into the #2 pick the last three years in a row.  Maybe the lottery gods will see this pick as a "Lakers" pick rather than an automatically conveyed pick. What do the gods know about trades and such. Lottery gods may give LAL four straight years at #2.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: Phantom255x on January 03, 2018, 07:38:56 PM
We know that Lakers are assured good luck in the lottery. With the exception of the 2014 draft, LAL has been the only team in the NBA (since the Lakers tank began) to either move up or remain equal based on their pre-lottery position.  Lakers have lucked into the #2 pick the last three years in a row.  Maybe the lottery gods will see this pick as a "Lakers" pick rather than an automatically conveyed pick. What do the gods know about trades and such. Lottery gods may give LAL four straight years at #2.

Idk.. should we hope LAL finishes 3rd worst so that there's an even lower chance it's #1  :P
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: jambr380 on January 03, 2018, 07:59:22 PM
The nets are better... when okafor and Russell get in they will be fine
If Okafor ever gets in. He has been in Brooklyn for 14 games and had played in one game for 22 minutes and had a +/- of -21. Brooklyn is a bad team. Okafor SHOULD be getting minutes there. That he isn't is telling.
They told him he was in unacceptable shape and wouldn't play until that changed
Had no idea. I guess I was right. It is telling.

Thing is wasn't there a story about him coming into camp much thinner and in great shape. Maybe that story was bogus.
It was probably one of the countless bogus "best shape of my life" stories, but in Philly he was riding pine and probably not practicing. Its possible he came into camp in shape and then kinda deteriorated. This would still be his fault as a professional athlete has a responsibility to stay in good shape regardless.

Either way, it appears he has finally reached an adequate level of fitness and we will see if he can finally start contributing to winning.

https://nypost.com/2018/01/02/the-nets-are-unleashing-jahlil-okafor-whose-game-is-changing/

I've long thought he was a talented kid and stayed on the Okafor train longer than almost anyone else. He is a tremendously talented player with some incredible physical attributes. I wish him the best.

I mean, he has to be better than Tyler Zeller...right?

BKN hasn't been playing well. I'd like to see them at least finish better than LAL - even if the pick doesn't convey.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: sdceltsfan on January 03, 2018, 08:17:13 PM
We know that Lakers are assured good luck in the lottery. With the exception of the 2014 draft, LAL has been the only team in the NBA (since the Lakers tank began) to either move up or remain equal based on their pre-lottery position.  Lakers have lucked into the #2 pick the last three years in a row.  Maybe the lottery gods will see this pick as a "Lakers" pick rather than an automatically conveyed pick. What do the gods know about trades and such. Lottery gods may give LAL four straight years at #2.

Idk.. should we hope LAL finishes 3rd worst so that there's an even lower chance it's #1  :P


Dude, I thought about this the other day! I think 3rd worst would statistically be the most likely spot for the pick to convey and also not end up #1. Even in the unlikely event that TWO teams jump in to the top 3, we would bump down to the 5-slot.

At 3, you have a lower percentage than 1&2 of not getting #1 either. Plus they draw for #1 first, so once that team is decided, we would be locked in somewhere 2-5 no matter what.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: Phantom255x on January 03, 2018, 09:18:21 PM
We know that Lakers are assured good luck in the lottery. With the exception of the 2014 draft, LAL has been the only team in the NBA (since the Lakers tank began) to either move up or remain equal based on their pre-lottery position.  Lakers have lucked into the #2 pick the last three years in a row.  Maybe the lottery gods will see this pick as a "Lakers" pick rather than an automatically conveyed pick. What do the gods know about trades and such. Lottery gods may give LAL four straight years at #2.

Idk.. should we hope LAL finishes 3rd worst so that there's an even lower chance it's #1  :P


Dude, I thought about this the other day! I think 3rd worst would statistically be the most likely spot for the pick to convey and also not end up #1. Even in the unlikely event that TWO teams jump in to the top 3, we would bump down to the 5-slot.

At 3, you have a lower percentage than 1&2 of not getting #1 either. Plus they draw for #1 first, so once that team is decided, we would be locked in somewhere 2-5 no matter what.

From what some have posted here, the odds of having pick #2-5 with the 2nd AND 3rd worst records is 80%.

But then obviously 2nd worst record means about a 19% chance at pick #1, and 3rd worst means about 13% chance at #1.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 03, 2018, 10:13:51 PM
The nets are better... when okafor and Russell get in they will be fine
If Okafor ever gets in. He has been in Brooklyn for 14 games and had played in one game for 22 minutes and had a +/- of -21. Brooklyn is a bad team. Okafor SHOULD be getting minutes there. That he isn't is telling.
They told him he was in unacceptable shape and wouldn't play until that changed
Had no idea. I guess I was right. It is telling.

Thing is wasn't there a story about him coming into camp much thinner and in great shape. Maybe that story was bogus.
It was probably one of the countless bogus "best shape of my life" stories, but in Philly he was riding pine and probably not practicing. Its possible he came into camp in shape and then kinda deteriorated. This would still be his fault as a professional athlete has a responsibility to stay in good shape regardless.

Either way, it appears he has finally reached an adequate level of fitness and we will see if he can finally start contributing to winning.

https://nypost.com/2018/01/02/the-nets-are-unleashing-jahlil-okafor-whose-game-is-changing/

I've long thought he was a talented kid and stayed on the Okafor train longer than almost anyone else. He is a tremendously talented player with some incredible physical attributes. I wish him the best.

I mean, he has to be better than Tyler Zeller...right?

BKN hasn't been playing well. I'd like to see them at least finish better than LAL - even if the pick doesn't convey.

Brooklyn has now won three out of its last four to move to 15-23, with the recent loss being to the C's. Wins @MIA, vs. ORL, and vs. MIN.  :) They finished 20-62 last year and 21-61 the year before that.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: Phantom255x on January 03, 2018, 10:20:12 PM
GREAT WIN C'S!!

NOW GO OKC!!!  8)
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: CelticsElite on January 03, 2018, 10:20:16 PM
Nets won

Suns keeping it close with nuggets

Mavs within 2 pts of warriors in the 3rd
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: Phantom255x on January 03, 2018, 10:27:16 PM
Nets won

Suns keeping it close with nuggets

Mavs within 2 pts of warriors in the 3rd

Hope Suns win.

Honestly think GSW pulls away late, but who knows.

TP for the updates  ;D
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: trickybilly on January 03, 2018, 10:57:07 PM
Wow. Great game in Dallas. Steph with a game-winner.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: BlastFromThePast on January 03, 2018, 11:03:43 PM
Wow. Great game in Dallas. Steph with a game-winner.

Mavs came back to tie that game.  They're a better team than their record would indicate.  Mediocre but better than the Lakers is all that matters.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: BlastFromThePast on January 03, 2018, 11:22:31 PM
OKC is a train wreck waiting to happen.  Donovan has no control over his players.  Westbrook looking p---ed at the matador defense by his teammates on a TO and at the break at the quarter.  Virtually everybody on the team jacks up 3's from anywhere on the court. 

Just went to TO early 2nd quarter after PG drilled a 3.  Instead of going back to the bench with the rest of his teammates, he started glad handing fans and hugged his dad sitting in the front row seats...on the opposite side of the court. 

P.S. OKC is destroying the Lakers up by 15 last 2 mins before the half. This after spotting the Lakers 10-0 to start the game.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: trickybilly on January 03, 2018, 11:28:17 PM
OKC is a train wreck waiting to happen.  Donovan has no control over his players.  Westbrook looking p---ed at the matador defense by his teammates on a TO and at the break at the quarter.  Virtually everybody on the team jacks up 3's from anywhere on the court. 

Just went to TO early 2nd quarter after PG drilled a 3.  Instead of going back to the bench with the rest of his teammates, he started glad handing fans and hugged his dad sitting in the front row seats...on the opposite side of the court.

Disagree. They look like they are really starting to click to me. Last two they dropped were tough losses against rising teams (Bucks, Dallas)

Wouldn't be surprised if they win this by 30. Then go on a fairly long streak until late Jan...
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: BlastFromThePast on January 03, 2018, 11:36:16 PM
OKC is a train wreck waiting to happen.  Donovan has no control over his players.  Westbrook looking p---ed at the matador defense by his teammates on a TO and at the break at the quarter.  Virtually everybody on the team jacks up 3's from anywhere on the court. 

Just went to TO early 2nd quarter after PG drilled a 3.  Instead of going back to the bench with the rest of his teammates, he started glad handing fans and hugged his dad sitting in the front row seats...on the opposite side of the court.

Disagree. They look like they are really starting to click to me. Last two they dropped were tough losses against rising teams (Bucks, Dallas)

Wouldn't be surprised if they win this by 30. Then go on a fairly long streak until late Jan...

Oh they'll win this game going away (it's the Lakers after all and they have reached new lows in suckitude) but in the long run, Donovan not having control over his players is going to haunt OKC...or result in him being run out of a job. 
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: SparzWizard on January 03, 2018, 11:59:13 PM
71-51 OKC pummeling the Lakers
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: CelticsElite on January 04, 2018, 12:13:34 AM
Loving okc for this. Steven Adams is reliable
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 04, 2018, 12:20:52 AM
OKC wins 133-96.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: CelticsElite on January 04, 2018, 01:13:06 AM
How do you go on an 8 game losing streak and then get blown out at home by 37 pts on the 8th game in that streak? Where's the leadership on the Lakers?

I've been saying it for a while... Lakers are the worst team in the nba. Losing streaks that don't seem to have an end in sight because they're  Too young. No defense. No veteran leadership. Highly inconsistent game play. Bad coach. Very Disgruntled bench players. Injuries. So many things wrong
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: Ilikesports17 on January 04, 2018, 01:16:41 AM
How do you go on an 8 game losing streak and then get blown out at home by 37 pts on the 8th game in that streak? Where's the leadership on the Lakers?

I've been saying it for a while... Lakers are the worst team in the nba. Losing streaks that don't seem to have an end in sight because they're  Too young. No defense. No veteran leadership. Highly inconsistent game play. Bad coach. Very Disgruntled bench players. Injuries. So many things wrong
Youngest team in the league by far.

Pretty sure the average age is 23.5.

Their "leaders" are KCP and Brook Lopez... yikes.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: BlastFromThePast on January 04, 2018, 01:29:59 AM
Lakers were obliterated by OKC 133-96 (even though they started the game on a 10-0 run).  They play no defense especially Randle. 

One play exemplifies how little if any heart Randle has.  Near the end of the half, Westbrook was on the wing on the left side of the court and blew by the defender using a spin move, elevated with the ball in his left (proper) hand for the layup or the flush, Randle was in the paint moving over sizing him up as if he was going to go for the block but inexplicably backed off allowing the easy lay in even though Westbrook switched the ball to his right making it easier to block. 

The rest of the half he played similar matador defense rivaling a Youtube vid and posted here on this site of Okafor's lack of effort on defense, couldn't hold onto passes in the paint or otherwise if his life depended on it and couldn't hit a shot outside of 10-12 feet.  For those who still think Danny should have drafted him over Smart (or still pine for Randle wanting the C's to trade for him now), watch the game on NBA replay for a little dash of reality.

The Lakers are bad, I mean Nets bad 2 seasons ago and but for the fact they don't have any reason legitimate to tank having given up their pick to Philly which the C's now own, I wouldn't put it past Magic (Team President) to allow the team to tank all the way to the cellar as the worst team in the NBA to screw the C's out of that pick conveying to the C's which is #1 pick overall protected. 

Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: Ilikesports17 on January 04, 2018, 01:34:43 AM
Lakers were obliterated by OKC 133-96 (even though they started the game on a 10-0 run).  They play no defense especially Randle. 

One play exemplifies how little if any heart Randle has.  Near the end of the half, Westbrook was on the wing on the left side of the court and blew by the defender using a spin move, elevated with the ball in his left (proper) hand for the layup or the flush, Randle was in the paint moving over sizing him up as if he was going to go for the block but inexplicably backed off allowing the easy lay in even though Westbrook switched the ball to his right making it easier to block. 

The rest of the half he played similar matador defense rivaling a Youtube vid and posted here on this site of Okafor's lack of effort on defense, couldn't hold onto passes in the paint or otherwise if his life depended on it and couldn't hit a shot outside of 10-12 feet.  For those who still think Danny should have drafted him over Smart (or still pine for Randle wanting the C's to trade for him now), watch the game on NBA replay for a little dash of reality.

The Lakers are bad, I mean Nets bad 2 seasons ago and but for the fact they don't have any reason legitimate to tank having given up their pick to Philly which the C's now own, I wouldn't put it past Magic (Team President) to allow the team to tank all the way to the cellar as the worst team in the NBA to screw the C's out of that pick conveying to the C's which is #1 pick overall protected.
Watched a few minutes of the game and didn't notice Randle as being too bad.

Also, if his effort was as bad as you claim, that surprises me. His defense has been really quite good this year and he has been the Lakers best source of energy and compete-level for most of this year.

Uncharacteristic game for him.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on January 04, 2018, 02:14:36 AM
How do you go on an 8 game losing streak and then get blown out at home by 37 pts on the 8th game in that streak? Where's the leadership on the Lakers?

I've been saying it for a while... Lakers are the worst team in the nba. Losing streaks that don't seem to have an end in sight because they're  Too young. No defense. No veteran leadership. Highly inconsistent game play. Bad coach. Very Disgruntled bench players. Injuries. So many things wrong
Youngest team in the league by far.

Pretty sure the average age is 23.5.

Their "leaders" are KCP and Brook Lopez... yikes.

"By far" means what to you exactly? I don't know for sure because I haven't seen the numbers in a long time but I think there were about 6 teams who are basically in a virtual tie for the youngest team with only months separating all of them (think the age is 24), one of those being CELTICS! There are 2 (maybe more) teams "younger" than the Lakers, PHX and CHI.

I think maybe the Celtics have just turned 25 before those other teams but yeah, Lakers aren't the youngest.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: Ilikesports17 on January 04, 2018, 02:40:21 AM
How do you go on an 8 game losing streak and then get blown out at home by 37 pts on the 8th game in that streak? Where's the leadership on the Lakers?

I've been saying it for a while... Lakers are the worst team in the nba. Losing streaks that don't seem to have an end in sight because they're  Too young. No defense. No veteran leadership. Highly inconsistent game play. Bad coach. Very Disgruntled bench players. Injuries. So many things wrong
Youngest team in the league by far.

Pretty sure the average age is 23.5.

Their "leaders" are KCP and Brook Lopez... yikes.

"By far" means what to you exactly? I don't know for sure because I haven't seen the numbers in a long time but I think there were about 6 teams who are basically in a virtual tie for the youngest team with only months separating all of them (think the age is 24), one of those being CELTICS! There are 2 (maybe more) teams "younger" than the Lakers, PHX and CHI.

I think maybe the Celtics have just turned 25 before those other teams but yeah, Lakers aren't the youngest.
If you do a weighted average by minutes played LA is the youngest team in the league at 23.54 years.

Phoenix is 2nd at 23.98 then us at 24.54

should have clarified that I meant weighted by minutes played.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: slightly biased bias fan on January 04, 2018, 02:49:47 AM
What I am most surprised about and is how average Ingram has been this season and he's allowed Kuzma to take control of the Lakers offence and sometimes he only takes a handful of shots. It makes me laugh how he still gets compared to Durant, I was always a fan of Ingram but he has flatlined this season and I am sure if Jaylen was in his position he would be averaging 20 points a game and be the alpha of that team.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on January 04, 2018, 03:24:57 AM
How do you go on an 8 game losing streak and then get blown out at home by 37 pts on the 8th game in that streak? Where's the leadership on the Lakers?

I've been saying it for a while... Lakers are the worst team in the nba. Losing streaks that don't seem to have an end in sight because they're  Too young. No defense. No veteran leadership. Highly inconsistent game play. Bad coach. Very Disgruntled bench players. Injuries. So many things wrong
Youngest team in the league by far.

Pretty sure the average age is 23.5.

Their "leaders" are KCP and Brook Lopez... yikes.

"By far" means what to you exactly? I don't know for sure because I haven't seen the numbers in a long time but I think there were about 6 teams who are basically in a virtual tie for the youngest team with only months separating all of them (think the age is 24), one of those being CELTICS! There are 2 (maybe more) teams "younger" than the Lakers, PHX and CHI.

I think maybe the Celtics have just turned 25 before those other teams but yeah, Lakers aren't the youngest.
If you do a weighted average by minutes played LA is the youngest team in the league at 23.54 years.

Phoenix is 2nd at 23.98 then us at 24.54

should have clarified that I meant weighted by minutes played.

Still not feeling it because less mins can come from a lot of reasons like injuries or choosing to sit some players.

Maybe adding the ages of the players that actually play would be better? I dunno. I'm just saying Lakers aren't really less experienced than quite a few of the young teams and it's definitely not "by far."



edit: Tatum leads the league in mins played but he doesn't even lead our team in mins per game. There are reasons why mins played don't really do it for me.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: jpotter33 on January 04, 2018, 09:20:42 AM
http://www.complex.com/sports/2018/01/kyle-kuzma-rips-lakers-giving-up-blowout-loss-thunder?utm_campaign=sportstw&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/c91d63cf0b36c261720637f8b61e9c6a/tenor.gif?itemid=4699553)
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: mef730 on January 04, 2018, 10:16:57 AM
We know that Lakers are assured good luck in the lottery. With the exception of the 2014 draft, LAL has been the only team in the NBA (since the Lakers tank began) to either move up or remain equal based on their pre-lottery position.  Lakers have lucked into the #2 pick the last three years in a row.  Maybe the lottery gods will see this pick as a "Lakers" pick rather than an automatically conveyed pick. What do the gods know about trades and such. Lottery gods may give LAL four straight years at #2.

The funny thing is, we both know that nothing in the lottery this year has anything to do with what has happened in previous years, but quips like this one make me hopeful, anyway. :)

I kind of like Randle. If he's on the block, is there any realistic way that he ends up in green?

Mike
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: saltlover on January 04, 2018, 10:48:21 AM
We know that Lakers are assured good luck in the lottery. With the exception of the 2014 draft, LAL has been the only team in the NBA (since the Lakers tank began) to either move up or remain equal based on their pre-lottery position.  Lakers have lucked into the #2 pick the last three years in a row.  Maybe the lottery gods will see this pick as a "Lakers" pick rather than an automatically conveyed pick. What do the gods know about trades and such. Lottery gods may give LAL four straight years at #2.

The funny thing is, we both know that nothing in the lottery this year has anything to do with what has happened in previous years, but quips like this one make me hopeful, anyway. :)

I kind of like Randle. If he's on the block, is there any realistic way that he ends up in green?

Mike

I’m fairly sure the Lakers would trade Randle for a decent 1st at the deadline.  He fits the DPE.  We have some spare 1sts.  I don’t think it likely, but it if both sides were interested in a deal, it could happen.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: TheSundanceKid on January 04, 2018, 08:16:20 PM
They are a bottom 6 team for sure...

They are a bottom 8 team for sure. A month ago people were saying we'd never get the pick because LA were close to the 8th seed, now they go on a losing streak and we are guaranteed the pick. They'll go on a run at some point and move back up the ranks, hopefully not too much.

There is still a long way to go, if I were to revisit my pre-season prediction I'd still agree with it. The Lakers will finish with the 4th or 5th worst record, we will need luck in the lottery to get the Lakers pick to convey.

4th or 5th worst means we wouldn’t need luck to get it. Bad luck could prevent us from getting it, but we wouldn’t be hoping for good fortune for conveyance.
4th yes it would need to be bad luck but if we had the 5th best odds then the most likely landing spot is actually 6th. http://www.tankathon.com/pick_odds
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-26, 2nd Slot on 1/3)
Post by: CelticSooner on January 04, 2018, 09:17:08 PM
I'd say 3rd is the sweet spot in terms of the pick conveying.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-26, 2nd Slot on 1/3)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 04, 2018, 10:39:27 PM
Lakers got three or so easy home games , they should win . 
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-26, 2nd Slot on 1/3)
Post by: GreenShooter on January 05, 2018, 01:16:57 PM
I just looked up the betting lines for tonight's games. I was very surprised to see LAL being an underdog at home to Charlotte. It's only 2' points and it doesn't matter to the casual fan but I thought they'd be at least favored.
O.T. : The C's are only 3 point favorite to the T'Wolves. That was a bit of a surprise as well and just shows how quickly a team can improve from one season to the next. See '07-'08 Celtics as well, though T'Wolves aren't nearly as good.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: libermaniac on January 05, 2018, 01:41:59 PM
We know that Lakers are assured good luck in the lottery. With the exception of the 2014 draft, LAL has been the only team in the NBA (since the Lakers tank began) to either move up or remain equal based on their pre-lottery position.  Lakers have lucked into the #2 pick the last three years in a row.  Maybe the lottery gods will see this pick as a "Lakers" pick rather than an automatically conveyed pick. What do the gods know about trades and such. Lottery gods may give LAL four straight years at #2.

The funny thing is, we both know that nothing in the lottery this year has anything to do with what has happened in previous years, but quips like this one make me hopeful, anyway. :)

I kind of like Randle. If he's on the block, is there any realistic way that he ends up in green?

Mike

I’m fairly sure the Lakers would trade Randle for a decent 1st at the deadline.  He fits the DPE.  We have some spare 1sts.  I don’t think it likely, but it if both sides were interested in a deal, it could happen.
Randle is a restricted free agent this offseason.  I'm not sure that is worth a decent first. 
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: libermaniac on January 05, 2018, 01:46:05 PM
We know that Lakers are assured good luck in the lottery. With the exception of the 2014 draft, LAL has been the only team in the NBA (since the Lakers tank began) to either move up or remain equal based on their pre-lottery position.  Lakers have lucked into the #2 pick the last three years in a row.  Maybe the lottery gods will see this pick as a "Lakers" pick rather than an automatically conveyed pick. What do the gods know about trades and such. Lottery gods may give LAL four straight years at #2.

Idk.. should we hope LAL finishes 3rd worst so that there's an even lower chance it's #1  :P


Dude, I thought about this the other day! I think 3rd worst would statistically be the most likely spot for the pick to convey and also not end up #1. Even in the unlikely event that TWO teams jump in to the top 3, we would bump down to the 5-slot.

At 3, you have a lower percentage than 1&2 of not getting #1 either. Plus they draw for #1 first, so once that team is decided, we would be locked in somewhere 2-5 no matter what.

From what some have posted here, the odds of having pick #2-5 with the 2nd AND 3rd worst records is 80%.

But then obviously 2nd worst record means about a 19% chance at pick #1, and 3rd worst means about 13% chance at #1.

So, it's clear, the best spot for the pick would be the second spot.  Because it's not JUST about the pick conveying.  In addition to getting the pick, the higher the better.  So, 2nd slot would give the best shot at the 2nd overall pick, etc..

As for me, I'm rooting for the Lakers to have the absolute worst record possible.  I'd like there to be a cushion to allow them to win some games and "fall" to second.  The bottom 10 slots are too bunched up.  A 3 game winning streak (which I hope is not coming now since they have 3 straight winnable games as home) would probably move them into 8th.  That's too close for comfort.  Lose every game possible Lakers!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-26, 2nd Slot on 1/3)
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 05, 2018, 02:48:27 PM
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Lonzo Ball is probable for tonight’s game.

https://twitter.com/Lakers/status/949354952568156160

All key players back!

Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-25, 2nd Slot on 1/1)
Post by: No Nickname on January 05, 2018, 03:11:16 PM
So, it's clear, the best spot for the pick would be the second spot.  Because it's not JUST about the pick conveying.  In addition to getting the pick, the higher the better.  So, 2nd slot would give the best shot at the 2nd overall pick, etc..

As for me, I'm rooting for the Lakers to have the absolute worst record possible.  I'd like there to be a cushion to allow them to win some games and "fall" to second.  The bottom 10 slots are too bunched up.  A 3 game winning streak (which I hope is not coming now since they have 3 straight winnable games as home) would probably move them into 8th.  That's too close for comfort.  Lose every game possible Lakers!

The next five of six games (against bottom-dwellars) are even more important to the Celtic's hopes of the pick conveying.

Not only do we want the Lakers to lose, but the corresponding win by each of these bottom-ten teams helps put even more distance between them and the Lakers.  Every win by these other teams against the Lakers is almost like a two-game bump.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-26, 2nd Slot on 1/3)
Post by: MattyIce on January 05, 2018, 11:08:50 PM
lets go hornets , up by 10
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-26, 2nd Slot on 1/3)
Post by: ETNCeltics on January 05, 2018, 11:34:06 PM
Hornets up 15 at the break.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-26, 2nd Slot on 1/3)
Post by: CelticsElite on January 06, 2018, 12:05:07 AM
Nice hornets


Grizz lost but made their half court heave at the end
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-26, 2nd Slot on 1/3)
Post by: BlastFromThePast on January 06, 2018, 12:31:50 AM
Lakers down 21 midway 4th quarter (at home).  Hornets have been killing the Lakers inside (Howard dominating).  Kuzma with only 2 buckets  but he's still in and chucking shots to try to get to his season average (17 pts/game).  Apart from a couple of Lake Show dunks off the lob and Ball with a couple of long 3's, another pitiful performance after being blown out by 37 by OKC 2 nights ago (also at home). 
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-26, 2nd Slot on 1/3)
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 06, 2018, 12:39:09 AM
Nothing quite like garbage time. Alex Rodriguez and Jennifer Lopez are leaving at 106-87 with 1:43 left lol.

Edit: Final score Charlotte wins 108-93
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-26, 2nd Slot on 1/3)
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on January 06, 2018, 12:47:15 AM
I’m liking the fact that the Lakers keep losing but the lack of seperation at the bottom is making me nervous.  About half the season left to go... keep stinking Lakers !!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-26, 2nd Slot on 1/3)
Post by: jdz101 on January 06, 2018, 01:24:07 AM
The tank commander center combination of Brook Lopez/Julius Randle is working a treat.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-26, 2nd Slot on 1/3)
Post by: SparzWizard on January 06, 2018, 01:51:39 AM
Need to be careful now. They're almost the worst team in the NBA record-wise. That means the pick may convey to the 76ers if it's #1. Need to make sure it's between #2-5!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-26, 2nd Slot on 1/3)
Post by: jdz101 on January 06, 2018, 02:02:07 AM
Need to be careful now. They're almost the worst team in the NBA record-wise. That means the pick may convey to the 76ers if it's #1. Need to make sure it's between #2-5!

It is still a 75% chance to convey to us if they are the worst team in the NBA and its also a chance to convey to Philly if they're the 2nd or 3rd worst. Lottery night will be a nailbiter if they stay this terrible.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-26, 2nd Slot on 1/3)
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on January 06, 2018, 02:15:01 AM
I’d rather them be the worst team than the 4th or 5th worst so I’m not worried about them being “too bad”
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-26, 2nd Slot on 1/3)
Post by: konkmv on January 06, 2018, 02:29:51 AM
And how can you secure that?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-26, 2nd Slot on 1/3)
Post by: Androslav on January 06, 2018, 04:13:01 AM
06.01.2018. odds (2.-5.)
per Tankathon

1st -  75,0% of getting the pick
2nd -  80,1% of getting the pick
3rd -   81,7% of getting the pick
4th -   69,6% of getting the pick
5th -   46,6% of getting the pick
6th -   15,2% of getting the pick
7th -   10,7% of getting the pick
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-26, 2nd Slot on 1/3)
Post by: Darío SpanishFan on January 06, 2018, 05:36:46 AM
Need to be careful now. They're almost the worst team in the NBA record-wise. That means the pick may convey to the 76ers if it's #1. Need to make sure it's between #2-5!

No need to be careful at all. Teams will start to heavily tank in a month (trades, buyouts, etc) and the Lakers have no incentive to do so.

I don't get the worrying in this matter. Nonsense. Even if they are the worst record, it puts us in a very good position to have the pick conveyed (you can read the thread and will see not many people expected it).
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-26, 2nd Slot on 1/3)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 06, 2018, 08:30:45 AM
way to Rock LA Hornets !
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-26, 2nd Slot on 1/3)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 06, 2018, 08:40:36 AM
Lakers longest losing streak in history is 10

They at 9

Lakers going for a all time record!   ;D



Sunday ....GO HAWKS !
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-26, 2nd Slot on 1/3)
Post by: TheTruth34 on January 06, 2018, 09:04:29 AM
Thank you to Danny for providing this next level schadenfreude.  I'm so throughly enjoying the Lakers horrendous season  ;D

The Hawks are next on the schedule
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-26, 2nd Slot on 1/3)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 06, 2018, 09:51:23 AM
come on Luke baby

gift wrap that pick
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-27, 2nd Slot on 1/5)
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 06, 2018, 12:59:52 PM
There go LAL's playoff hopes.  ;)

Quote
Sources: The Los Angeles Lakers are releasing center Andrew Bogut. With Lakers at 11-27, this allows sides to part ways and Bogut to pivot toward signing with a playoff team.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/949696787157323778
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-27, 2nd Slot on 1/5)
Post by: GreenEnvy on January 06, 2018, 03:23:10 PM
I think the sweet spot would be 3rd. Unlikely to jump to 1 and very unlikely to move down to 6th.

But beggars can’t be choosers, so whatever happens happens.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-26, 2nd Slot on 1/3)
Post by: libermaniac on January 06, 2018, 03:24:45 PM
Need to be careful now. They're almost the worst team in the NBA record-wise. That means the pick may convey to the 76ers if it's #1. Need to make sure it's between #2-5!

No need to be careful at all. Teams will start to heavily tank in a month (trades, buyouts, etc) and the Lakers have no incentive to do so.

I don't get the worrying in this matter. Nonsense. Even if they are the worst record, it puts us in a very good position to have the pick conveyed (you can read the thread and will see not many people expected it).

Agreed. Not only does it put in a very good position to have the pick conveyed (75% chance), it guarantees us picking no worse than 4th.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-27, 2nd Slot on 1/5)
Post by: Birdman on January 06, 2018, 03:26:59 PM
Will Luke Walton be their coach next season? I think not
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-27, 2nd Slot on 1/5)
Post by: bknova on January 06, 2018, 03:42:58 PM
Will Luke Walton be their coach next season? I think not


That's interesting, because I think Walton has these kids playing hard.  They're just poorly constructed.  There aren't enough solid veterans on the team to keep these young players from going into a tailspin.  They're reeling right now and I don't think one win is going to pull them out of this funk. They're too young, too emotional.  There is no real leader on the court.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-27, 2nd Slot on 1/5)
Post by: Kevins Gamble on January 06, 2018, 03:51:05 PM
Unless his team continues to get sand-blasted the rest of the way...I would be very surprised if they held Walton completely accountable for this Lakers team not doing well.

Up until Ball went out with that injury...everyone here was resigned to our pick not conveying this year because the Lakers were playing and competing better than any of us expected.

That wasn't months ago...that was like three weeks ago.  They've played two top teams in the league (Houston and GS) extremely tough...but seem to melt against Memphis and Charlotte.

He's been able to marshall a lot of effort from a team made up of promising rookies and some crappy picks from other regimes (not to mention manage the Ball reality show he got signed up for).  But as we all knew, it's difficult (if not impossible) to keep that going for 82 games.  How good would the Celtics look if we had the exact same team we have now, but no Kyrie, Hayward or Horford?  Just a bunch of rookies running around doing their best?  Would it be fair to blame CBS for their crap record, even though they were competing hard?

I agree...if they continue to get slapped around by the Charlottes at home, have comments to the media that they've quit and too many more "team meetings"...then it looks like he's lost the team and should be dumped.  But simply having a bad record and various losing streaks is pretty much what everyone expected from the Lakers this year.  Would be surprised if Laker management saw it much differently.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-27, 2nd Slot on 1/5)
Post by: KGs Knee on January 06, 2018, 04:03:55 PM
Will Luke Walton be their coach next season? I think not

I suspect they'll keep him for a while longer. Unless Walton has totally lost the players , and they are tuning him out, there's no reason for Walton to take the blame for their poor record. 
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-27, 2nd Slot on 1/5)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 06, 2018, 04:12:07 PM
Will Luke Walton be their coach next season? I think not

I think at least till next Xmas .  Its on his watch , but not so much his fault.   The Lakers have not decided and stuck with a coach and rebuilding strategy and ONE philosophy.   They are constantly fiddle with players and coach .....not building a team with a coach , players and workable strategies that fit .

Lakers refusing to rebuild like all the rest , looking for that knockout FA to vault them back to the finals .....is killing them ......teams and NBA are too smart to just give the Lakers what they want for nothing .....because they are the  Lakers.

Magic should keep Walton and rebuild with young core.  ......But he is from the impatient crowd and will trade everything to have Lebron for 3 good years. 

Im totally skeptical of the Lakers FO and owner .  I don't think they have a clue.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-27, 2nd Slot on 1/5)
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 06, 2018, 04:12:33 PM
Nance is listed as questionable for tomorrow's Hawks game with flu-like symptoms.

Up until Ball went out with that injury...everyone here was resigned to our pick not conveying this year because the Lakers were playing and competing better than any of us expected.

Not true. Quite a few here have remained optimistic throughout. If Hawks win tomorrow, the Lakers will match or be worse than saltlover's November prediction of 13-28 at the halfway point.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-27, 2nd Slot on 1/5)
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 06, 2018, 04:23:57 PM
Lakers pick conveying this year would be the only thing that would keep me sane when the inevitable happens.  The inevitable is that the Lakers will attract superstars and be a contender within the next 3 years.  Note that of the recent "Tankers", the Lakers have fared extremely well in terms of lottery (7,2,2,2) and have picked well with some later picks (Clarkson; Kuzma; Hart)... but what they have would be next to nothing 5 years from now if not for the only asset that really matters in Laker-land -- cap space.   This is the only team in the NBA that can reliably contend in every NBA "generation" because they really only need to draft reasonably well and clear space for their next set of superstars.   I am bitter because the C's, and every other team, has to prove themselves a winner before anyone considers them a FA destination of choice.  I know Miami and NY have their allure to FAs, but really it's the Lakers who are mentioned as a possible destination by just about everyone entering free agency. And this happens even as the Lakers suck.  I hate the Lakers. 

So when PG and LBJ make their lip-biting emotional good-byes and join forces to turn LAL into a contender next season, my only solace would be in knowing they handed us #2, 3, 4 or 5.   I doubt it will happen, but yearning for it.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-27, 2nd Slot on 1/5)
Post by: Kevins Gamble on January 06, 2018, 04:29:53 PM
Nance is listed as questionable for tomorrow's Hawks game with flu-like symptoms.

Up until Ball went out with that injury...everyone here was resigned to our pick not conveying this year because the Lakers were playing and competing better than any of us expected.

Not true. Quite a few here have remained optimistic throughout. If Hawks win tomorrow, the Lakers will match or be worse than saltlover's November prediction of 13-28 at the halfway point.

Heh...so it took a (1-loss shy of) historically long Laker losing streak to get them to match your original loss expectation...so in other words, before the streak started...they were "playing and competing better than any of us expected".
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-27, 2nd Slot on 1/5)
Post by: footey on January 06, 2018, 04:29:57 PM
Lakers pick conveying this year would be the only thing that would keep me sane when the inevitable happens.  The inevitable is that the Lakers will attract superstars and be a contender within the next 3 years.  Note that of the recent "Tankers", the Lakers have fared extremely well in terms of lottery (7,2,2,2) and have picked well with some later picks (Clarkson; Kuzma; Hart)... but what they have would be next to nothing 5 years from now if not for the only asset that really matters in Laker-land -- cap space.   This is the only team in the NBA that can reliably contend in every NBA "generation" because they really only need to draft reasonably well and clear space for their next set of superstars.   I am bitter because the C's, and every other team, has to prove themselves a winner before anyone considers them a FA destination of choice.  I know Miami and NY have their allure to FAs, but really it's the Lakers who are mentioned as a possible destination by just about everyone entering free agency. And this happens even as the Lakers suck.  I hate the Lakers. 

So when PG and LBJ make their lip-biting emotional good-byes and join forces to turn LAL into a contender next season, my only solace would be in knowing they handed us #2, 3, 4 or 5.   I doubt it will happen, but yearning for it.

If Lebron doesn't go there, they are probably stuck in bad to mediocre for many years to come.  Much will depend on his decision this off season.  Still see him staying in the East, or maybe joining Houston. 
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-27, 2nd Slot on 1/5)
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 06, 2018, 04:32:04 PM
Nance is listed as questionable for tomorrow's Hawks game with flu-like symptoms.

Up until Ball went out with that injury...everyone here was resigned to our pick not conveying this year because the Lakers were playing and competing better than any of us expected.

Not true. Quite a few here have remained optimistic throughout. If Hawks win tomorrow, the Lakers will match or be worse than saltlover's November prediction of 13-28 at the halfway point.

Heh...so it took a (1-loss shy of) historically long Laker losing streak to get them to match your original loss expectation...so in other words, before the streak started...they were "playing and competing better than any of us expected".

No. There's room to spare, they'll be 11-28 if Hawks win tomorrow and would have to win two consecutive games to match the 13-28. If we look back at the December gauntlet predictions, most predicted almost all the December games to be likely losses.

The early schedule was easier than the December schedule. The Lakers started out 10-10 last year. Even when they won early on this season, there were numerous people here not panicking with the schedule balancing out.

They also had one November loss each to the Kings, Clippers and Suns.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-27, 2nd Slot on 1/5)
Post by: CelticsElite on January 07, 2018, 12:47:34 AM
Kings win getting more separation from the lakers 
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-27, 2nd Slot on 1/5)
Post by: liam on January 07, 2018, 01:04:08 AM
Lakers waved Bogut.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-27, 2nd Slot on 1/5)
Post by: Emmette Bryant on January 07, 2018, 05:24:13 PM
https://www.si.com/nba/2018/01/06/los-angeles-lakers-future-brandon-ingram-lebron-james-paul-george
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-27, 2nd Slot on 1/5)
Post by: liam on January 07, 2018, 05:40:24 PM
Rooting hard for Atlanta tonight!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-27, 2nd Slot on 1/5)
Post by: jpotter33 on January 07, 2018, 06:13:16 PM
Rooting hard for Atlanta tonight!

Me too. It will be hilarious to hear what comes out of LA if they lose against Atlanta tonight, which would either tie or best their franchise record for losing streaks.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-27, 2nd Slot on 1/5)
Post by: CelticsElite on January 07, 2018, 06:18:34 PM
Celtics fan super bowl is tonight

I call it “the biggest loser bowl”

Whoever loses will have consequences never before seen in the nba.... like handing over a top 5 lotto pick to the winningest team currently in the nba. Lol

Who would have thought Hawks vs Lakers in January would be one of if not the most anticipated  games for Celtics fans this season?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-27, 2nd Slot on 1/5)
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on January 07, 2018, 06:24:15 PM
Lakers will win tonight, sadly. 😤
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-27, 2nd Slot on 1/5)
Post by: Emmette Bryant on January 07, 2018, 06:31:09 PM
Celtics fan super bowl is tonight

I call it “the biggest loser bowl”


With apologies to Steve Harvey, I'd call it the "Crummy Game of the Week"
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-27, 2nd Slot on 1/5)
Post by: Kevins Gamble on January 07, 2018, 07:05:37 PM
Celtics fan super bowl is tonight

I call it “the biggest loser bowl”

Whoever loses will have consequences never before seen in the nba.... like handing over a top 5 lotto pick to the winningest team currently in the nba. Lol

Who would have thought Hawks vs Lakers in January would be one of if not the most anticipated  games for Celtics fans this season?

Yeah, I found myself typing "Hawks vs Lakers" into my calendar earlier this week and had to pause and reflect that this is where my life has ended up...


It's still on my calendar though...
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-27, 2nd Slot on 1/5)
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on January 07, 2018, 07:13:14 PM
Let’s go Hawks! Let’s go Hawks!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-27, 2nd Slot on 1/5)
Post by: JHTruth on January 07, 2018, 07:50:26 PM
Will Luke Walton be their coach next season? I think not


That's interesting, because I think Walton has these kids playing hard.  They're just poorly constructed.  There aren't enough solid veterans on the team to keep these young players from going into a tailspin.  They're reeling right now and I don't think one win is going to pull them out of this funk. They're too young, too emotional.  There is no real leader on the court.

You think this team is playing hard? 5 of their last 6 losses have  been complete blowouts. They've quit..
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-27, 2nd Slot on 1/5)
Post by: slightly biased bias fan on January 07, 2018, 08:43:41 PM
Will Luke Walton be their coach next season? I think not


That's interesting, because I think Walton has these kids playing hard.  They're just poorly constructed.  There aren't enough solid veterans on the team to keep these young players from going into a tailspin.  They're reeling right now and I don't think one win is going to pull them out of this funk. They're too young, too emotional.  There is no real leader on the court.

You think this team is playing hard? 5 of their last 6 losses have  been complete blowouts. They've quit..

None of this is Luke Walton's fault, it's Magic's and Rob Pelinka's. I find it farcical that neither have been criticized once. Just because you are a charming legendary NBA player doesn't give you a free pass in any role you take afterwards, it was Magic's decision to public criticize Russell (a 20 y.o kid) as 'not a leader' and then drafts an overhyped highly flawed kid with the second pick and tells the world before he's even played an NBA minute 'I expect your jersey to be in the rafters one day'...and not one media presence calls him incompetent. Look at Dennis Smith Jr and Donovan Mitchell and what they are both doing in the first half of their NBA season, they didn't all of a sudden improve exponentially in the space of 6 months they were both always this good as Ainge was seriously considering drafting both.

The squad they've given Walton is full of player who; A) don't want to be there and B) know they are going to be let go in a season to make way for PG or another max player. Where are the vets to help players grow because it's not Deng who is being held against his will or Bogut who they just cut. Randle knows he isn't going to be resigned and has always had work ethic issues, Ingram can be invisible in games and so on, Walton was loved at GSW and is apparently hated at Lakers...only difference Lavar and management.

Although I am enjoying this and I hope the Lakers continue to be incompetent for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-27, 2nd Slot on 1/5)
Post by: slightly biased bias fan on January 07, 2018, 08:44:00 PM
Moderator, duplicate please delete
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-27, 2nd Slot on 1/5)
Post by: CelticSooner on January 07, 2018, 10:18:53 PM
Hawks seem to be fine with the worst record. Lakers probably get the W tonight.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-27, 2nd Slot on 1/5)
Post by: CelticsElite on January 07, 2018, 10:23:22 PM
Atlanta only scored 3 pts so far in the 2nd. They couldn't be more obvious that they're tanking
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-27, 2nd Slot on 1/5)
Post by: liam on January 07, 2018, 10:25:17 PM
Atlanta only scored 3 pts so far in the 2nd. They couldn't be more obvious that they're tanking

The Hawks don't have any talent on that team...
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-27, 2nd Slot on 1/5)
Post by: mr. dee on January 07, 2018, 10:29:26 PM
Hawks is a gritty team despite being terrible. Don't count them out so quickly. They reminds me of Brad's first year with the team.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-27, 2nd Slot on 1/5)
Post by: sdceltsfan on January 07, 2018, 10:39:08 PM
Sweet jeebus, Atlanta is so awful. I am painfully watching this game on a super slow night at work, and I just want to drink everything in sight out of sheer boredom and basketball disgust. Hopefully the Lakers still trade Randle and Clarkson so they get worse and stay at the bottom of the barrel.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-27, 2nd Slot on 1/5)
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 07, 2018, 11:00:35 PM
Belinelli would be decent for the DPE
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-27, 2nd Slot on 1/5)
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on January 07, 2018, 11:16:09 PM
Gonna be 3rd/4th worst after tonight
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-27, 2nd Slot on 1/5)
Post by: slightly biased bias fan on January 07, 2018, 11:39:54 PM
Gonna be 3rd/4th worst after tonight

Honestly there are going to be ups and downs with this pick, Lakers had a hard schedule so they lost a lot now they have an easier schedule, so they'll win. Everyone will drive themselves crazy if you keep checking the lottery odds after every game (we are only half way through the season!). You are better off checking in on them once every few weeks.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-27, 2nd Slot on 1/5)
Post by: SparzWizard on January 07, 2018, 11:53:35 PM
Can't let them drop to #1, but got to stay between 2-5. Such a tall task.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: Emmette Bryant on January 08, 2018, 12:54:28 PM
more proof that life is like junior high school

https://sports.yahoo.com/l-s-nightmare-scenario-becoming-reality-lavar-vs-lakers-050845261.html
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (11-27, 2nd Slot on 1/5)
Post by: chilidawg on January 08, 2018, 12:58:02 PM
Can't let them drop to #1, but got to stay between 2-5. Such a tall task.

75% chance the pick conveys if they're the 1 seed,  i'll take those odds.  Plus the pleasure of watching the Lakers implode.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: Phantom255x on January 08, 2018, 03:04:21 PM
So with Lakers shopping Randle, Clarkson and Nance Jr, that should hopefully make the Lakers worse unless somehow they get back a young star in the trade(s).
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: nickagneta on January 08, 2018, 03:41:20 PM
So with Lakers shopping Randle, Clarkson and Nance Jr, that should hopefully make the Lakers worse unless somehow they get back a young star in the trade(s).
If Nance is available I would have no problem sending the Lakers Nader and a future first for him.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: saltlover on January 08, 2018, 04:28:32 PM
So with Lakers shopping Randle, Clarkson and Nance Jr, that should hopefully make the Lakers worse unless somehow they get back a young star in the trade(s).
If Nance is available I would have no problem sending the Lakers Nader and a future first for him.

Yeah, I don’t think Nance is available, except as being attached to a long-term contract the Lakers want to move (Deng).
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: Androslav on January 08, 2018, 04:33:52 PM
So with Lakers shopping Randle, Clarkson and Nance Jr, that should hopefully make the Lakers worse unless somehow they get back a young star in the trade(s).
If Nance is available I would have no problem sending the Lakers Nader and a future first for him.

Yeah, I don’t think Nance is available, except as being attached to a long-term contract the Lakers want to move (Deng).
Me too.
I think that Nance is a fantastic energy big prospect with great pedigree, good demeanor (humor) and work ethic and god given basketball body. He is a Laker and I like him very much.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: nickagneta on January 08, 2018, 04:34:26 PM
So with Lakers shopping Randle, Clarkson and Nance Jr, that should hopefully make the Lakers worse unless somehow they get back a young star in the trade(s).
If Nance is available I would have no problem sending the Lakers Nader and a future first for him.

Yeah, I don’t think Nance is available, except as being attached to a long-term contract the Lakers want to move (Deng).
I didn't think he would be. And yes, he would be one of the sweeteners they have to send out to dump contracts.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: liam on January 08, 2018, 05:40:38 PM
So with Lakers shopping Randle, Clarkson and Nance Jr, that should hopefully make the Lakers worse unless somehow they get back a young star in the trade(s).
If Nance is available I would have no problem sending the Lakers Nader and a future first for him.

Yeah, I don’t think Nance is available, except as being attached to a long-term contract the Lakers want to move (Deng).
I didn't think he would be. And yes, he would be one of the sweeteners they have to send out to dump contracts.

Isn't Nance very injury prone?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: saltlover on January 08, 2018, 05:52:08 PM
So with Lakers shopping Randle, Clarkson and Nance Jr, that should hopefully make the Lakers worse unless somehow they get back a young star in the trade(s).
If Nance is available I would have no problem sending the Lakers Nader and a future first for him.

Yeah, I don’t think Nance is available, except as being attached to a long-term contract the Lakers want to move (Deng).
I didn't think he would be. And yes, he would be one of the sweeteners they have to send out to dump contracts.

Isn't Nance very injury prone?

No more than your average NBA player.  He’s had a 3-4 week injury once a season, at least one of which has been a contact injury (broken hand/thumb) and hasn’t really had enough seasons to judge overall.

He also essentially makes the minimum this year, and is cheap next year as well.  Salary-wise, he can be acquired via the minimum exception, and so no outgoing salary is needed, which makes him easy for any team to acquire.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: CelticsElite on January 09, 2018, 01:47:54 AM
brutal losses by both the hawks and nets... each lost by 1 pt. winnable games for them
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: Phantom255x on January 09, 2018, 06:43:37 PM
Lakers loss + Magic win tonight would put LAL back into the 2nd slot.

Lakers play the Kings. Magic play the Mavericks.

Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 09, 2018, 06:56:29 PM
Lakers loss + Magic win tonight would put LAL back into the 2nd slot.

Lakers play the Kings. Magic play the Mavericks.

Double win or double loss with Sac tonight.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: mr. dee on January 09, 2018, 08:48:31 PM
We will need the Orlando to win against Dallas to have a safety net in case Lakers win.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: Phantom255x on January 09, 2018, 10:19:38 PM
GO KINGS!!!

Unfortunately though looks like Magic are about to lose...
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: SparzWizard on January 10, 2018, 12:15:06 AM
Lakers destroying the Kings. Here goes the draft pick falling with Orlando losing tonight.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: CelticsElite on January 10, 2018, 12:20:37 AM
bad night for the pick. the good news is it could be way worse.... the lakers didnt need to go on that 9 game losing streak but they did... things would be very different if they were actually a decent team, which they are not.


even if we lose the pick, kings 2019 are clearly going to be terrible
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: saltlover on January 10, 2018, 12:36:48 AM
GO KINGS!!!

Unfortunately though looks like Magic are about to lose...

It’s okay the Magic lost.  Ultimately we just want the Lakers in the bottom 4, because it’s only one lotteries in 10 that we’d not get the pick of the Lakers finish 4th vs. 3rd.  That means we want the bottom four to separate themselves from the rest of the bad teams.  Dallas winning helps them create that separation.  People are getting greedy if they fret whether the Lakers finish 2nd or 3rd — we just want them to be bottom 4, and that’s likely good enough.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: Jiri Welsch on January 10, 2018, 12:48:47 AM
Another W for the Lakers.

Darn.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: Somebody on January 10, 2018, 12:49:28 AM
Kings gave this game away...pretty big blow to the pick hopes, Lakers are tied with them rn.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 10, 2018, 12:52:01 AM
Well, everyone got another glimpse of what next year could be like if #LakersPick doesn't convey...  :laugh:
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: Somebody on January 10, 2018, 12:56:00 AM
Well, everyone got another glimpse of what next year could be like if #LakersPick doesn't convey...  :laugh:
19 draft is depleted of talent due to guys like Bagley jumping to the 18 draft. That Kings pick is a lot worse than what it looks like.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: saltlover on January 10, 2018, 01:01:02 AM
Well, everyone got another glimpse of what next year could be like if #LakersPick doesn't convey...  :laugh:
19 draft is depleted of talent due to guys like Bagley jumping to the 18 draft. That Kings pick is a lot worse than what it looks like.

This is not really true.  Bagley jumping a year meant RJ Barrett jumped from 2020 to 2019, so there wasn’t a net loss.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: CelticsElite on January 10, 2018, 01:05:55 AM
they only jumped or stayed tied to 4 slot (or 5)?
http://www.tankathon.com/

 i thought they were gonna jump to 7 or 9. it seems we are getting late into the season where those big slot jumps overnight arent happening anymore. this bodes well for the pick. 4 slot is still a nice chance of conveying.

 
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: Somebody on January 10, 2018, 01:38:03 AM
Well, everyone got another glimpse of what next year could be like if #LakersPick doesn't convey...  :laugh:
19 draft is depleted of talent due to guys like Bagley jumping to the 18 draft. That Kings pick is a lot worse than what it looks like.

This is not really true.  Bagley jumping a year meant RJ Barrett jumped from 2020 to 2019, so there wasn’t a net loss.
True but we do need a young big rather than another wing/guard.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: CelticsElite on January 10, 2018, 02:06:48 AM
Well, everyone got another glimpse of what next year could be like if #LakersPick doesn't convey...  :laugh:
19 draft is depleted of talent due to guys like Bagley jumping to the 18 draft. That Kings pick is a lot worse than what it looks like.

This is not really true.  Bagley jumping a year meant RJ Barrett jumped from 2020 to 2019, so there wasn’t a net loss.
True but we do need a young big rather than another wing/guard.
as much as I agree, Ainge tends to draft best player available regardless of need. See- us drafting millions of guards past few years when we need rebounding and rim protection. Didn't Ainge already publically comment saying he's not particularly interested in a project big that will take years to be a core piece? I believe he was referring to this upcoming draft too. Got a feeling he's looking at doncic/porter/young or swinging the pick down for a more ready prospect in someone like jackson jr/carter/bridges. That or its a typical smoke screen
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: Somebody on January 10, 2018, 03:43:10 AM
Well, everyone got another glimpse of what next year could be like if #LakersPick doesn't convey...  :laugh:
19 draft is depleted of talent due to guys like Bagley jumping to the 18 draft. That Kings pick is a lot worse than what it looks like.

This is not really true.  Bagley jumping a year meant RJ Barrett jumped from 2020 to 2019, so there wasn’t a net loss.
True but we do need a young big rather than another wing/guard.
as much as I agree, Ainge tends to draft best player available regardless of need. See- us drafting millions of guards past few years when we need rebounding and rim protection. Didn't Ainge already publically comment saying he's not particularly interested in a project big that will take years to be a core piece? I believe he was referring to this upcoming draft too. Got a feeling he's looking at doncic/porter/young or swinging the pick down for a more ready prospect in someone like jackson jr/carter/bridges. That or its a typical smoke screen
He was talking about selecting real project bigs though, I don't think any of the top bigs in this draft are that much of a project, they'd probably at least soak up some rotation minutes at C from the get go.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: saltlover on January 10, 2018, 08:45:38 AM
Well, everyone got another glimpse of what next year could be like if #LakersPick doesn't convey...  :laugh:
19 draft is depleted of talent due to guys like Bagley jumping to the 18 draft. That Kings pick is a lot worse than what it looks like.

This is not really true.  Bagley jumping a year meant RJ Barrett jumped from 2020 to 2019, so there wasn’t a net loss.
True but we do need a young big rather than another wing/guard.
as much as I agree, Ainge tends to draft best player available regardless of need. See- us drafting millions of guards past few years when we need rebounding and rim protection. Didn't Ainge already publically comment saying he's not particularly interested in a project big that will take years to be a core piece? I believe he was referring to this upcoming draft too. Got a feeling he's looking at doncic/porter/young or swinging the pick down for a more ready prospect in someone like jackson jr/carter/bridges. That or its a typical smoke screen
He was talking about selecting real project bigs though, I don't think any of the top bigs in this draft are that much of a project, they'd probably at least soak up some rotation minutes at C from the get go.

No, when discussing the Nets pick, he said that Cleveland would probably get a talented young big who will take a couple of years.  Now, there’s always some Ainge smokescreen to look around, and that comment was made in the preseason so it’s not impossible that they see a big as ready to immediately contribute based on what they’ve shown this year in college (although that player is going #1 anyway), but when he was talking about project bigs and not being completely excited, it was definitely with regard to the 2018 draft.

Besides, the point is that Barrett makes the overall draft class as deep as it was with Bagley.  Bagley was likely going #1 in 2019 — we were never getting him.  Barrett is the current favorite to go #1 — we won’t get him either.  It just means that we have the same pool of players from #2 and below as we had before, so the class, insofar as who we could potentially draft, hasn’t been weakened at all.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: Somebody on January 10, 2018, 08:50:40 AM
Well, everyone got another glimpse of what next year could be like if #LakersPick doesn't convey...  :laugh:
19 draft is depleted of talent due to guys like Bagley jumping to the 18 draft. That Kings pick is a lot worse than what it looks like.

This is not really true.  Bagley jumping a year meant RJ Barrett jumped from 2020 to 2019, so there wasn’t a net loss.
True but we do need a young big rather than another wing/guard.
as much as I agree, Ainge tends to draft best player available regardless of need. See- us drafting millions of guards past few years when we need rebounding and rim protection. Didn't Ainge already publically comment saying he's not particularly interested in a project big that will take years to be a core piece? I believe he was referring to this upcoming draft too. Got a feeling he's looking at doncic/porter/young or swinging the pick down for a more ready prospect in someone like jackson jr/carter/bridges. That or its a typical smoke screen
He was talking about selecting real project bigs though, I don't think any of the top bigs in this draft are that much of a project, they'd probably at least soak up some rotation minutes at C from the get go.

No, when discussing the Nets pick, he said that Cleveland would probably get a talented young big who will take a couple of years.  Now, there’s always some Ainge smokescreen to look around, and that comment was made in the preseason so at not impossible that they see a big as ready to immediately contribute based on what they’ve shown this year in college (although that player is going #1 anyway), but when he was talking about project bigs and not being completely excited, it was definitely with regard to the 2018 draft.

Besides, the point is that Barrett makes the overall draft class as deep as it was with Bagley.  Bagley was likely going #1 in 2019 — we were never getting him.  Barrett is the current favorite to go #1 — we won’t get him either.  It just means that we have the same pool of players from #2 and below as we had before, so the class, insofar as who we could potentially draft, hasn’t been weakened at all.
Iirc they projected the Nets pick to be like around 7 so isn't it possible for him to not be referring to Ayton/Bagley/Bamba? Also I think Ainge might be blowing a smokescreen ala Red Auerbach doing it when he drafted McHale :laugh:. I see your point regarding the 19 class, but eh would rather get a top prospect sooner than later, especially with this class being said to be that top heavy while not looking like the 14 draft.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: saltlover on January 10, 2018, 08:54:00 AM
Well, everyone got another glimpse of what next year could be like if #LakersPick doesn't convey...  :laugh:
19 draft is depleted of talent due to guys like Bagley jumping to the 18 draft. That Kings pick is a lot worse than what it looks like.

This is not really true.  Bagley jumping a year meant RJ Barrett jumped from 2020 to 2019, so there wasn’t a net loss.
True but we do need a young big rather than another wing/guard.
as much as I agree, Ainge tends to draft best player available regardless of need. See- us drafting millions of guards past few years when we need rebounding and rim protection. Didn't Ainge already publically comment saying he's not particularly interested in a project big that will take years to be a core piece? I believe he was referring to this upcoming draft too. Got a feeling he's looking at doncic/porter/young or swinging the pick down for a more ready prospect in someone like jackson jr/carter/bridges. That or its a typical smoke screen
He was talking about selecting real project bigs though, I don't think any of the top bigs in this draft are that much of a project, they'd probably at least soak up some rotation minutes at C from the get go.

No, when discussing the Nets pick, he said that Cleveland would probably get a talented young big who will take a couple of years.  Now, there’s always some Ainge smokescreen to look around, and that comment was made in the preseason so at not impossible that they see a big as ready to immediately contribute based on what they’ve shown this year in college (although that player is going #1 anyway), but when he was talking about project bigs and not being completely excited, it was definitely with regard to the 2018 draft.

Besides, the point is that Barrett makes the overall draft class as deep as it was with Bagley.  Bagley was likely going #1 in 2019 — we were never getting him.  Barrett is the current favorite to go #1 — we won’t get him either.  It just means that we have the same pool of players from #2 and below as we had before, so the class, insofar as who we could potentially draft, hasn’t been weakened at all.
Iirc they projected the Nets pick to be like around 7 so isn't it possible for him to not be referring to Ayton/Bagley/Bamba? Also I think Ainge might be blowing a smokescreen ala Red Auerbach doing it when he drafted McHale :laugh:.

No, they never said anything about where they thought the pick would be, publicly, other than it could be a really good pick.  You do not recall correctly.

And again, none of this changes that the 2019 pick didn’t get any weaker for the Celtics, which was your original assertion.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: Somebody on January 10, 2018, 09:19:20 AM
Well, everyone got another glimpse of what next year could be like if #LakersPick doesn't convey...  :laugh:
19 draft is depleted of talent due to guys like Bagley jumping to the 18 draft. That Kings pick is a lot worse than what it looks like.

This is not really true.  Bagley jumping a year meant RJ Barrett jumped from 2020 to 2019, so there wasn’t a net loss.
True but we do need a young big rather than another wing/guard.
as much as I agree, Ainge tends to draft best player available regardless of need. See- us drafting millions of guards past few years when we need rebounding and rim protection. Didn't Ainge already publically comment saying he's not particularly interested in a project big that will take years to be a core piece? I believe he was referring to this upcoming draft too. Got a feeling he's looking at doncic/porter/young or swinging the pick down for a more ready prospect in someone like jackson jr/carter/bridges. That or its a typical smoke screen
He was talking about selecting real project bigs though, I don't think any of the top bigs in this draft are that much of a project, they'd probably at least soak up some rotation minutes at C from the get go.

No, when discussing the Nets pick, he said that Cleveland would probably get a talented young big who will take a couple of years.  Now, there’s always some Ainge smokescreen to look around, and that comment was made in the preseason so at not impossible that they see a big as ready to immediately contribute based on what they’ve shown this year in college (although that player is going #1 anyway), but when he was talking about project bigs and not being completely excited, it was definitely with regard to the 2018 draft.

Besides, the point is that Barrett makes the overall draft class as deep as it was with Bagley.  Bagley was likely going #1 in 2019 — we were never getting him.  Barrett is the current favorite to go #1 — we won’t get him either.  It just means that we have the same pool of players from #2 and below as we had before, so the class, insofar as who we could potentially draft, hasn’t been weakened at all.
Iirc they projected the Nets pick to be like around 7 so isn't it possible for him to not be referring to Ayton/Bagley/Bamba? Also I think Ainge might be blowing a smokescreen ala Red Auerbach doing it when he drafted McHale :laugh:.

No, they never said anything about where they thought the pick would be, publicly, other than it could be a really good pick.  You do not recall correctly.

And again, none of this changes that the 2019 pick didn’t get any weaker for the Celtics, which was your original assertion.
Alright sure, I might have remembered wrongly then. About my original point yeah I see.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: Moranis on January 10, 2018, 09:22:48 AM
Well, everyone got another glimpse of what next year could be like if #LakersPick doesn't convey...  :laugh:
19 draft is depleted of talent due to guys like Bagley jumping to the 18 draft. That Kings pick is a lot worse than what it looks like.

This is not really true.  Bagley jumping a year meant RJ Barrett jumped from 2020 to 2019, so there wasn’t a net loss.
True but we do need a young big rather than another wing/guard.
as much as I agree, Ainge tends to draft best player available regardless of need. See- us drafting millions of guards past few years when we need rebounding and rim protection. Didn't Ainge already publically comment saying he's not particularly interested in a project big that will take years to be a core piece? I believe he was referring to this upcoming draft too. Got a feeling he's looking at doncic/porter/young or swinging the pick down for a more ready prospect in someone like jackson jr/carter/bridges. That or its a typical smoke screen
He was talking about selecting real project bigs though, I don't think any of the top bigs in this draft are that much of a project, they'd probably at least soak up some rotation minutes at C from the get go.

No, when discussing the Nets pick, he said that Cleveland would probably get a talented young big who will take a couple of years.  Now, there’s always some Ainge smokescreen to look around, and that comment was made in the preseason so at not impossible that they see a big as ready to immediately contribute based on what they’ve shown this year in college (although that player is going #1 anyway), but when he was talking about project bigs and not being completely excited, it was definitely with regard to the 2018 draft.

Besides, the point is that Barrett makes the overall draft class as deep as it was with Bagley.  Bagley was likely going #1 in 2019 — we were never getting him.  Barrett is the current favorite to go #1 — we won’t get him either.  It just means that we have the same pool of players from #2 and below as we had before, so the class, insofar as who we could potentially draft, hasn’t been weakened at all.
Iirc they projected the Nets pick to be like around 7 so isn't it possible for him to not be referring to Ayton/Bagley/Bamba? Also I think Ainge might be blowing a smokescreen ala Red Auerbach doing it when he drafted McHale :laugh:.

No, they never said anything about where they thought the pick would be, publicly, other than it could be a really good pick.  You do not recall correctly.

And again, none of this changes that the 2019 pick didn’t get any weaker for the Celtics, which was your original assertion.
Ainge didn't have to say publically, but the fact that he kept the Lakers pick and not the Nets pick (and left it totally unprotected), let you know what he thought of those respective picks.  I firmly believe Ainge felt the Nets were going to be better than the Lakers, which is why he traded the Nets pick and not the Lakers pick (because I think Cleveland would have taken either). 
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: gift on January 10, 2018, 11:35:11 AM
There were rumors the Celtics valued the pick from Philly more highly than the Nets' pick, but that hasn't been confirmed officially.

Dan Gilbert had a particular interest in the Nets' pick per Jackie Mac, but we're not sure if that's because the Celtics dangled it in front of him or if he valued that pick more highly on his own.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: mef730 on January 10, 2018, 11:39:31 AM
Well, everyone got another glimpse of what next year could be like if #LakersPick doesn't convey...  :laugh:
19 draft is depleted of talent due to guys like Bagley jumping to the 18 draft. That Kings pick is a lot worse than what it looks like.

This is not really true.  Bagley jumping a year meant RJ Barrett jumped from 2020 to 2019, so there wasn’t a net loss.
True but we do need a young big rather than another wing/guard.
as much as I agree, Ainge tends to draft best player available regardless of need. See- us drafting millions of guards past few years when we need rebounding and rim protection. Didn't Ainge already publically comment saying he's not particularly interested in a project big that will take years to be a core piece? I believe he was referring to this upcoming draft too. Got a feeling he's looking at doncic/porter/young or swinging the pick down for a more ready prospect in someone like jackson jr/carter/bridges. That or its a typical smoke screen
He was talking about selecting real project bigs though, I don't think any of the top bigs in this draft are that much of a project, they'd probably at least soak up some rotation minutes at C from the get go.

No, when discussing the Nets pick, he said that Cleveland would probably get a talented young big who will take a couple of years.  Now, there’s always some Ainge smokescreen to look around, and that comment was made in the preseason so at not impossible that they see a big as ready to immediately contribute based on what they’ve shown this year in college (although that player is going #1 anyway), but when he was talking about project bigs and not being completely excited, it was definitely with regard to the 2018 draft.

Besides, the point is that Barrett makes the overall draft class as deep as it was with Bagley.  Bagley was likely going #1 in 2019 — we were never getting him.  Barrett is the current favorite to go #1 — we won’t get him either.  It just means that we have the same pool of players from #2 and below as we had before, so the class, insofar as who we could potentially draft, hasn’t been weakened at all.
Iirc they projected the Nets pick to be like around 7 so isn't it possible for him to not be referring to Ayton/Bagley/Bamba? Also I think Ainge might be blowing a smokescreen ala Red Auerbach doing it when he drafted McHale :laugh:.

No, they never said anything about where they thought the pick would be, publicly, other than it could be a really good pick.  You do not recall correctly.

And again, none of this changes that the 2019 pick didn’t get any weaker for the Celtics, which was your original assertion.
Ainge didn't have to say publically, but the fact that he kept the Lakers pick and not the Nets pick (and left it totally unprotected), let you know what he thought of those respective picks.  I firmly believe Ainge felt the Nets were going to be better than the Lakers, which is why he traded the Nets pick and not the Lakers pick (because I think Cleveland would have taken either).

Thus proving again why he is the GM and I'm behind a keyboard. Sad as it is to admit, if you had asked me which of the two was more valuable, I would have traded the Lakers pick every day, twice on Sunday and probably three times on Tuesday. I figured that there was no way that the Nets pick wouldn't be top-3, and that the Lakers would be 7-10.

I still think the Lakers finish outside the top-5 and that BKN finishes inside the top 5, but that conviction that I had at the beginning of the year is sure starting to fade.

Mike
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: Fafnir on January 10, 2018, 11:51:26 AM
Thus proving again why he is the GM and I'm behind a keyboard. Sad as it is to admit, if you had asked me which of the two was more valuable, I would have traded the Lakers pick every day, twice on Sunday and probably three times on Tuesday. I figured that there was no way that the Nets pick wouldn't be top-3, and that the Lakers would be 7-10.

I still think the Lakers finish outside the top-5 and that BKN finishes inside the top 5, but that conviction that I had at the beginning of the year is sure starting to fade.

Mike
I can't blame you for that, Dinwiddie's rather unexpected play wasn't something I think anyone was projecting. If anything they were thinking Lin/Russell would give them roughly what Dinwiddie has.

Lakers are only 2 games behind the Nets and their profiles are overall similar so I don't think its a given one will be worse than the other at all. Both will be in the top 10 for the lottery, but I do think they'll probably be more 5-10 than 1-5.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: celticsclay on January 10, 2018, 12:38:45 PM
Thus proving again why he is the GM and I'm behind a keyboard. Sad as it is to admit, if you had asked me which of the two was more valuable, I would have traded the Lakers pick every day, twice on Sunday and probably three times on Tuesday. I figured that there was no way that the Nets pick wouldn't be top-3, and that the Lakers would be 7-10.

I still think the Lakers finish outside the top-5 and that BKN finishes inside the top 5, but that conviction that I had at the beginning of the year is sure starting to fade.

Mike
I can't blame you for that, Dinwiddie's rather unexpected play wasn't something I think anyone was projecting. If anything they were thinking Lin/Russell would give them roughly what Dinwiddie has.

Lakers are only 2 games behind the Nets and their profiles are overall similar so I don't think its a given one will be worse than the other at all. Both will be in the top 10 for the lottery, but I do think they'll probably be more 5-10 than 1-5.

I do think the Lakers are more likely to trade off a few players in advance of the trade deadline that would make them a small amount weaker for the second half (Randle, Nance, Clarkson).
They obviously don't care about being worse given not owning their pick. Meanwhile, I think the Nets coach will have them playing hard the rest of the season and they may pick even more wins up in the second half against tired teams or teams shutting down players. I don't see the Lakers playing consistently hard.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: Moranis on January 10, 2018, 01:53:25 PM
Thus proving again why he is the GM and I'm behind a keyboard. Sad as it is to admit, if you had asked me which of the two was more valuable, I would have traded the Lakers pick every day, twice on Sunday and probably three times on Tuesday. I figured that there was no way that the Nets pick wouldn't be top-3, and that the Lakers would be 7-10.

I still think the Lakers finish outside the top-5 and that BKN finishes inside the top 5, but that conviction that I had at the beginning of the year is sure starting to fade.

Mike
I can't blame you for that, Dinwiddie's rather unexpected play wasn't something I think anyone was projecting. If anything they were thinking Lin/Russell would give them roughly what Dinwiddie has.

Lakers are only 2 games behind the Nets and their profiles are overall similar so I don't think its a given one will be worse than the other at all. Both will be in the top 10 for the lottery, but I do think they'll probably be more 5-10 than 1-5.
Dinwiddie is actually a less efficient player this year than he was last year, he is just shooting twice as often (though not scoring twice as much). 

I really don't understand why so many people thought the Nets were going to be terrible.  They added a lot of talent and I actually felt removing Lopez would make them a better team as he just wasn't what they needed from that position. 
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: JBcat on January 10, 2018, 05:54:07 PM
We could use at least one win tonight between the Magic and Grizzlies both stuck at 12 wins now 1 behind the Lakers.  Funny both of them started off hot to start the season.  The Magic are on the road against the Bucks, and the Grizzlies at home against the Pelicans. Of course it would be nice if the Hawks win tonight too.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: saltlover on January 10, 2018, 06:10:50 PM
We could use at least one win tonight between the Magic and Grizzlies both stuck at 12 wins now 1 behind the Lakers.  Funny both of them started off hot to start the season.  The Magic are on the road against the Bucks, and the Grizzlies at home against the Pelicans. Of course it would be nice if the Hawks win tonight too.

I’m overall not worried about the Grizzlies.  I do expect Conley to return at some point this season, probably the end of this month. They’re a good team with him (#10 in net rating in games with him), so they’ll pull out of the cellar soon.  No one’s running away with the 8 seed — they’ll challenge for it, and you can bet Golden State is hopeful they don’t get.

It’d be nice if they win their easier games until Conley gets back (and they’ve got some winnable ones coming up, hosting Lakers, Kings, and Knicks in their next 5 games,) which increases the likelihood they won’t tank, but I’ll be surprised if they don’t win at least 30 games, and 35-40 isn’t impossible if they get Conley back in two more weeks.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 10, 2018, 06:54:33 PM
Good opportunity for Memphis tonight with AD sitting out (sprained ankle).
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: moiso on January 10, 2018, 07:14:26 PM
Thus proving again why he is the GM and I'm behind a keyboard. Sad as it is to admit, if you had asked me which of the two was more valuable, I would have traded the Lakers pick every day, twice on Sunday and probably three times on Tuesday. I figured that there was no way that the Nets pick wouldn't be top-3, and that the Lakers would be 7-10.

I still think the Lakers finish outside the top-5 and that BKN finishes inside the top 5, but that conviction that I had at the beginning of the year is sure starting to fade.

Mike
I can't blame you for that, Dinwiddie's rather unexpected play wasn't something I think anyone was projecting. If anything they were thinking Lin/Russell would give them roughly what Dinwiddie has.

Lakers are only 2 games behind the Nets and their profiles are overall similar so I don't think its a given one will be worse than the other at all. Both will be in the top 10 for the lottery, but I do think they'll probably be more 5-10 than 1-5.
Dinwiddie is actually a less efficient player this year than he was last year, he is just shooting twice as often (though not scoring twice as much). 

I really don't understand why so many people thought the Nets were going to be terrible.  They added a lot of talent and I actually felt removing Lopez would make them a better team as he just wasn't what they needed from that position.
Usually the team with the worst roster in the league is pretty terrible.  Only the Hawks have a roster as lacking in talent.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: Snakehead on January 10, 2018, 08:25:28 PM
Thus proving again why he is the GM and I'm behind a keyboard. Sad as it is to admit, if you had asked me which of the two was more valuable, I would have traded the Lakers pick every day, twice on Sunday and probably three times on Tuesday. I figured that there was no way that the Nets pick wouldn't be top-3, and that the Lakers would be 7-10.

I still think the Lakers finish outside the top-5 and that BKN finishes inside the top 5, but that conviction that I had at the beginning of the year is sure starting to fade.

Mike
I can't blame you for that, Dinwiddie's rather unexpected play wasn't something I think anyone was projecting. If anything they were thinking Lin/Russell would give them roughly what Dinwiddie has.

Lakers are only 2 games behind the Nets and their profiles are overall similar so I don't think its a given one will be worse than the other at all. Both will be in the top 10 for the lottery, but I do think they'll probably be more 5-10 than 1-5.
Dinwiddie is actually a less efficient player this year than he was last year, he is just shooting twice as often (though not scoring twice as much). 

I really don't understand why so many people thought the Nets were going to be terrible.  They added a lot of talent and I actually felt removing Lopez would make them a better team as he just wasn't what they needed from that position.
Usually the team with the worst roster in the league is pretty terrible.  Only the Hawks have a roster as lacking in talent.

Currently, yes.  With Lin and Russell I don't agree.  If they had their whole roster they would be at the least scoring a lot.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: Snakehead on January 10, 2018, 08:28:58 PM

Thus proving again why he is the GM and I'm behind a keyboard. Sad as it is to admit, if you had asked me which of the two was more valuable, I would have traded the Lakers pick every day, twice on Sunday and probably three times on Tuesday. I figured that there was no way that the Nets pick wouldn't be top-3, and that the Lakers would be 7-10.

I still think the Lakers finish outside the top-5 and that BKN finishes inside the top 5, but that conviction that I had at the beginning of the year is sure starting to fade.

Mike

To pat myself on the back, I called this lol.  I was high on the pick and trade immediately, liking Tatum and Fultz about equally but thinking the Celtics just got another top pick, so it was an easy choice.

The Lakers roster was hype.  I didn't buy into Ball being a huge impact as billed by many.  There's a big jump to be made for young teams and I think currently people like to skip that step and try to think these teams will make massive jumps year to year when it really never happens like that, especially with young players.  A lot of other teams have gotten better, East and West.

But of course I have some misses as well ha.  Lately I have been very on board with the moves.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 10, 2018, 10:32:36 PM
three-way tie for third worst with the Grizzlies win!

Bulls Hawks and Mavs won too!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (12-27, 4th Slot on 1/7)
Post by: Moranis on January 11, 2018, 06:05:05 AM
Thus proving again why he is the GM and I'm behind a keyboard. Sad as it is to admit, if you had asked me which of the two was more valuable, I would have traded the Lakers pick every day, twice on Sunday and probably three times on Tuesday. I figured that there was no way that the Nets pick wouldn't be top-3, and that the Lakers would be 7-10.

I still think the Lakers finish outside the top-5 and that BKN finishes inside the top 5, but that conviction that I had at the beginning of the year is sure starting to fade.

Mike
I can't blame you for that, Dinwiddie's rather unexpected play wasn't something I think anyone was projecting. If anything they were thinking Lin/Russell would give them roughly what Dinwiddie has.

Lakers are only 2 games behind the Nets and their profiles are overall similar so I don't think its a given one will be worse than the other at all. Both will be in the top 10 for the lottery, but I do think they'll probably be more 5-10 than 1-5.
Dinwiddie is actually a less efficient player this year than he was last year, he is just shooting twice as often (though not scoring twice as much). 

I really don't understand why so many people thought the Nets were going to be terrible.  They added a lot of talent and I actually felt removing Lopez would make them a better team as he just wasn't what they needed from that position.
Usually the team with the worst roster in the league is pretty terrible.  Only the Hawks have a roster as lacking in talent.
I just disagree with this wholeheartedly.  The Nets are far from the worst roster in the league.  The Hawks, Bulls, Kings, Suns, and Lakers all have worse rosters.  And the Magic and Mavs are fairly comparable and frankly the Grizzlies without Conley, even with Gasol, have a pretty terrible roster.  Just because you weren't paying attention to them doesn't make their roster terrible.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: JBcat on January 11, 2018, 08:43:38 AM
At this moment there are 3 teams that worry me that the Lakers (currently with 13 wins) will not finish worse than.

The Magic with 12 wins have only won 3 games since the beginning of December.  Maybe they can turn things around a bit once they get Vucevic back but I’m not expecting much.

The Kings with 13 wins play 8 out of their next 10 games on the road. Ouch.  I feel like Zach Randolph is a big reason they don’t have a much worse record, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he is gone by the trade deadline.

The Hawks with 11 wins play 9 out of their next 10 games at home so that’s good.  They mostly seem to play hard so maybe they can squeeze out a few wins during this stretch.

The Lakers need to hurry and trade Randle and Clarkson for more cap space. Ha
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: Moranis on January 11, 2018, 09:01:18 AM
At this moment there are 3 teams that worry me that the Lakers (currently with 13 wins) will not finish worse than.

The Magic with 12 wins have only won 3 games since the beginning of December.  Maybe they can turn things around a bit once they get Vucevic back but I’m not expecting much.

The Kings with 13 wins play 8 out of their next 10 games on the road. Ouch.  I feel like Zach Randolph is a big reason they don’t have a much worse record, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he is gone by the trade deadline.

The Hawks with 11 wins play 9 out of their next 10 games at home so that’s good.  They mostly seem to play hard so maybe they can squeeze out a few wins during this stretch.

The Lakers need to hurry and trade Randle and Clarkson for more cap space. Ha
Randle won't give them more cap space since he is a free agent.  I think the thought with Randle is he would be attached to someone like Deng, but I just don't think Randle has that type of value. 
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: JBcat on January 11, 2018, 09:07:22 AM
At this moment there are 3 teams that worry me that the Lakers (currently with 13 wins) will not finish worse than.

The Magic with 12 wins have only won 3 games since the beginning of December.  Maybe they can turn things around a bit once they get Vucevic back but I’m not expecting much.

The Kings with 13 wins play 8 out of their next 10 games on the road. Ouch.  I feel like Zach Randolph is a big reason they don’t have a much worse record, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he is gone by the trade deadline.

The Hawks with 11 wins play 9 out of their next 10 games at home so that’s good.  They mostly seem to play hard so maybe they can squeeze out a few wins during this stretch.

The Lakers need to hurry and trade Randle and Clarkson for more cap space. Ha
Randle won't give them more cap space since he is a free agent.  I think the thought with Randle is he would be attached to someone like Deng, but I just don't think Randle has that type of value.

He’ll be a RFA though and whatever team gets him will get his bird rights.  It’s better for the Lakers to trade him for whatever little value they get back rather than just letting his contract expire.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: Moranis on January 11, 2018, 09:25:55 AM
At this moment there are 3 teams that worry me that the Lakers (currently with 13 wins) will not finish worse than.

The Magic with 12 wins have only won 3 games since the beginning of December.  Maybe they can turn things around a bit once they get Vucevic back but I’m not expecting much.

The Kings with 13 wins play 8 out of their next 10 games on the road. Ouch.  I feel like Zach Randolph is a big reason they don’t have a much worse record, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he is gone by the trade deadline.

The Hawks with 11 wins play 9 out of their next 10 games at home so that’s good.  They mostly seem to play hard so maybe they can squeeze out a few wins during this stretch.

The Lakers need to hurry and trade Randle and Clarkson for more cap space. Ha
Randle won't give them more cap space since he is a free agent.  I think the thought with Randle is he would be attached to someone like Deng, but I just don't think Randle has that type of value.

He’ll be a RFA though and whatever team gets him will get his bird rights.  It’s better for the Lakers to trade him for whatever little value they get back rather than just letting his contract expire.
but they might not want to get rid of him unless they have to and if they have to, it means a much better player.  There is no reason for the Lakers to trade Randle unless they get real value in either a 1st round pick or someone taking Deng. 
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: JBcat on January 11, 2018, 11:51:47 AM
At this moment there are 3 teams that worry me that the Lakers (currently with 13 wins) will not finish worse than.

The Magic with 12 wins have only won 3 games since the beginning of December.  Maybe they can turn things around a bit once they get Vucevic back but I’m not expecting much.

The Kings with 13 wins play 8 out of their next 10 games on the road. Ouch.  I feel like Zach Randolph is a big reason they don’t have a much worse record, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he is gone by the trade deadline.

The Hawks with 11 wins play 9 out of their next 10 games at home so that’s good.  They mostly seem to play hard so maybe they can squeeze out a few wins during this stretch.

The Lakers need to hurry and trade Randle and Clarkson for more cap space. Ha
Randle won't give them more cap space since he is a free agent.  I think the thought with Randle is he would be attached to someone like Deng, but I just don't think Randle has that type of value.

He’ll be a RFA though and whatever team gets him will get his bird rights.  It’s better for the Lakers to trade him for whatever little value they get back rather than just letting his contract expire.
but they might not want to get rid of him unless they have to and if they have to, it means a much better player.  There is no reason for the Lakers to trade Randle unless they get real value in either a 1st round pick or someone taking Deng.

I think some teams would think about giving up a lottery protected pick for him.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: celticsclay on January 11, 2018, 04:17:16 PM
It does kind of seem like Walton doesn't like Randle or has some issue with him. He has definitely pulled him in some of the games i have seen very quickly, even when playing well. I don't think they want him long term so even an early second at the deadline may be good value for 35 games of him.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: Moranis on January 11, 2018, 04:20:19 PM
It does kind of seem like Walton doesn't like Randle or has some issue with him. He has definitely pulled him in some of the games i have seen very quickly, even when playing well. I don't think they want him long term so even an early second at the deadline may be good value for 35 games of him.
This says more about Walton than anything else.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: keevsnick on January 11, 2018, 04:38:47 PM
It does kind of seem like Walton doesn't like Randle or has some issue with him. He has definitely pulled him in some of the games i have seen very quickly, even when playing well. I don't think they want him long term so even an early second at the deadline may be good value for 35 games of him.

One issue is they actually have a decent amount of bigs. Lopez, Randle, Nance, Kuzma. Lopez has to play because he can actually space the floor, Kuzma and Nance are probably more in the future plans than Randle.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: MattyIce on January 11, 2018, 10:57:52 PM
figures spurs resting
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: mr. dee on January 11, 2018, 11:34:50 PM
figures spurs resting

Didn't the league already made penalties about players resting? It's the same reason why Lebron is playing back-to-back (not that they have much options, though).
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: CelticSooner on January 12, 2018, 12:06:11 AM
Lakers are playing hard again booooo
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 12, 2018, 12:20:00 AM
Lakers + Lebron will equal better REGULAR season win total than ......present old worthless , short Cavs with no enegy or motiation

Those young Lakers will play their butts off for Lebron ......not drag around like Smith.,  DWadw , Rose , Green , and all the rest

Lebron needs energy players to fight GS .   

Making Levar look like a profit .

Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: Kevins Gamble on January 12, 2018, 12:21:40 AM
Kings take the lead over Clippers...(Update: Nevermind...nothing to see here)
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: CelticSooner on January 12, 2018, 12:35:10 AM
Sole possession of 5th spot after tonight.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: konkmv on January 12, 2018, 12:42:21 AM
You cannot beat easily any nba team without 3 of your 4 best players... even popovich can't do this.. without Parker gay and Leonard the odds were against them... the Lakers are in th 23-30  win range... probably around 26-28...
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: mef730 on January 12, 2018, 01:03:06 PM
Maybe we'll get a little help tonight. BKN playing at Atlanta. Who knows, perhaps Orlando will knock off Washington.

Mike
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: celticsclay on January 12, 2018, 01:19:07 PM
Maybe we'll get a little help tonight. BKN playing at Atlanta. Who knows, perhaps Orlando will knock off Washington.

Mike

Orlando may currently be the worst team in the league.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: mef730 on January 12, 2018, 01:34:03 PM
Maybe we'll get a little help tonight. BKN playing at Atlanta. Who knows, perhaps Orlando will knock off Washington.

Mike

Orlando may currently be the worst team in the league.

Given the way Washington plays against lousy competition, though, maybe they'll prove to be the second-worst.

Mike
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: Moranis on January 12, 2018, 04:53:53 PM
Lakers are playing hard again booooo
coincides with the return of Lonzo.  The kid just makes that team better.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: SparzWizard on January 12, 2018, 05:06:05 PM
Lakers are 3-0 since LaVar Ball called Luke Walton "soft"...maybe there are some merits to his words lol.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: trickybilly on January 12, 2018, 05:30:12 PM
Lakers are playing hard again booooo
coincides with the return of Lonzo.  The kid just makes that team better.

Lonzo is probably super fun to watch if you don't hate him or the Lakers..
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: G-Bones on January 12, 2018, 07:00:09 PM
Were the Spurs resting their starters or were they hurt?  Hate to think the spurs would rest 3 starters.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: libermaniac on January 12, 2018, 07:15:33 PM
Were the Spurs resting their starters or were they hurt?  Hate to think the spurs would rest 3 starters.
Gasol and Aldridge were playing.  Other than that, I can't keep track of who's healthy or not on that team, but somehow they keep winning.  But, last night the Spurs were downright HORRIBLE.  They must have telegraphed at least 6 passes in the 2nd half alone that led to fast breaks for the Lakers.  Really bad and frustrating.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 12, 2018, 07:23:59 PM
Were the Spurs resting their starters or were they hurt?  Hate to think the spurs would rest 3 starters.

Green/Leonard/Gay hurt, Parker resting.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: Rondo9 on January 12, 2018, 07:32:52 PM
Lakers are playing hard again booooo
coincides with the return of Lonzo.  The kid just makes that team better.

And their opponents aren't that good.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: Phantom255x on January 12, 2018, 08:43:23 PM
(https://i.giphy.com/media/a9xhxAxaqOfQs/giphy.webp)
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: jpotter33 on January 12, 2018, 09:36:18 PM
Lakers are playing hard again booooo
coincides with the return of Lonzo.  The kid just makes that team better.

And their opponents aren't that good.

Yep. They literally faced the worst record in the league, the third worst record in the league, and a severely depleted Spurs team all at home. I'd say that has just as much to do with it than Lonzo.

Hopefully the Nets take this one against Atlanta.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: mr. dee on January 12, 2018, 09:39:57 PM
Sucks that Orlando can't be relied upon winning enough games to get above the Lakers.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: Kevins Gamble on January 12, 2018, 09:41:02 PM
Memphis up big on the Nuggets in the 1st quarter...I have no doubt whatsoever this lead will hold and we can already mark up a big win for the Grizzlies...

(http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/teamsites/images/legacy/grizzlies/playoff-growl_towel-11-630_0.jpg)
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: CelticsElite on January 12, 2018, 09:42:58 PM
Sucks that Orlando can't be relied upon winning enough games to get above the Lakers.
exactly it’s sad. The nets and bulls have surprised by being able to pull off tough wins and get close in losses. Magic just seem to sputter into losses like it’s nothinf. Same with hawks and grizz to some degree. I’m hoping magic find a groove eventually
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: JBcat on January 12, 2018, 10:13:58 PM
I was thinking there have been rumors of possible Randle and Clarkson trades, but what about Lopez, Caldwell Pope, and Brewer as possible buyout candidates?  All of them are on expiring deals, and from what I’ve read the buyout market could be bigger than normal this year.  That would be awesome for us.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: mef730 on January 13, 2018, 01:18:15 PM
Memphis up big on the Nuggets in the 1st quarter...I have no doubt whatsoever this lead will hold and we can already mark up a big win for the Grizzlies...

(http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/teamsites/images/legacy/grizzlies/playoff-growl_towel-11-630_0.jpg)

Okay, you're not allowed to talk anymore. ;)

I hadn't realized just how bad Memphis is without Conley. Sigh...

Mike
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: MattyIce on January 13, 2018, 03:51:23 PM
almost end of 3rd quarter, mavs in a tight one with fakers
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: jpotter33 on January 13, 2018, 04:20:02 PM
Barnes ties it up with 6 seconds to go!

I wish LA would just trade Clarkson already. Losing him would do wonders to the tank effort.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: Monkhouse on January 13, 2018, 04:29:01 PM
Barnes ties it up with 6 seconds to go!

I wish LA would just trade Clarkson already. Losing him would do wonders to the tank effort.

It frustrates me that the Mavericks are really this bad this year... Ugh... Noel has to yet in this play either, what a waste.... Why don't they just freakin' trade him already?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: CelticSooner on January 13, 2018, 04:30:15 PM
Very bad day for the pick.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: liam on January 13, 2018, 04:36:20 PM
Barnes ties it up with 6 seconds to go!

I wish LA would just trade Clarkson already. Losing him would do wonders to the tank effort.

It frustrates me that the Mavericks are really this bad this year... Ugh... Noel has to yet in this play either, what a waste.... Why don't they just freakin' trade him already?

Who's going to trade anything for a rental? I'm sure Danny would take him for the exception but why would Dallas do that?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on January 13, 2018, 04:39:58 PM
This win streak for them is p---ing me off
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: RodyTur10 on January 13, 2018, 04:40:41 PM
Very bad day for the pick.

The Lakers just have too much deep talent (Ball, Caldwell-Pope, Clarkson, Ingram, Kuzma, Randle, Nance Jr, Lopez are all legitimate NBA-players). I'm not surprised.

There's a big difference in talent level between teams like Atlanta, Dallas, Chicago, Sacramento or Brooklyn and a team like the Lakers. We'll need some luck to get the pick to convey. But I'm not worried, since we'll otherwise get the '19 Kings' pick.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: Future Celtics Owner on January 13, 2018, 04:41:07 PM
Barnes ties it up with 6 seconds to go!

I wish LA would just trade Clarkson already. Losing him would do wonders to the tank effort.

It frustrates me that the Mavericks are really this bad this year... Ugh... Noel has to yet in this play either, what a waste.... Why don't they just freakin' trade him already?

Who's going to trade anything for a rental? I'm sure Danny would take him for the exception but why would Dallas do that?
Stupid turnovers and not getting the defensive rebounds killed DAL at the end......far right wing conspiracy to lose??
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: CelticSooner on January 13, 2018, 04:46:55 PM
Very bad day for the pick.

The Lakers just have too much deep talent (Ball, Caldwell-Pope, Clarkson, Ingram, Kuzma, Randle, Nance Jr, Lopez are all legitimate NBA-players). I'm not surprised.

There's a big difference in talent level between teams like Atlanta, Dallas, Chicago, Sacramento or Brooklyn and a team like the Lakers. We'll need some luck to get the pick to convey. But I'm not worried, since we'll otherwise get the '19 Kings' pick.

The Western Conference overall being worse than the East isn’t helping. Really need them to trade at least one or two of those guys. They had a long losing streak and still were only like two games from where they are now. Just not enough separation yet.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on January 13, 2018, 04:51:34 PM
Barnes ties it up with 6 seconds to go!

I wish LA would just trade Clarkson already. Losing him would do wonders to the tank effort.

It frustrates me that the Mavericks are really this bad this year... Ugh... Noel has to yet in this play either, what a waste.... Why don't they just freakin' trade him already?

Who's going to trade anything for a rental? I'm sure Danny would take him for the exception but why would Dallas do that?
Stupid turnovers and not getting the defensive rebounds killed DAL at the end......far right wing conspiracy to lose??

Mavs aren't half bad when someone other than Matthews decides to play defense. Unfortunately that doesn't happen often. They clawed back in the 2nd just squander this one away in a stupid loss.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: jmen788 on January 13, 2018, 05:05:02 PM
Officially giving up on this pick conveying.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: Monkhouse on January 13, 2018, 05:11:01 PM
Officially giving up on this pick conveying.

I was really p---ed the Spurs couldn't at least beat the Lakers... Ugh. But I think it'll convey, I just don't think it'll be anything higher than 4 or 5.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: CelticSooner on January 13, 2018, 05:14:56 PM
How highly rated is next year's draft class compared to this one?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: Monkhouse on January 13, 2018, 05:31:17 PM
How highly rated is next year's draft class compared to this one?

This is actually rated as one of the weakest drafts in a while.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: CelticsElite on January 13, 2018, 05:46:18 PM
Officially giving up on this pick conveying.
not even  halfway through the season yer, Lakers are 25th worst out of 30, and you’ve given up?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: jmen788 on January 13, 2018, 05:48:30 PM
Officially giving up on this pick conveying.
not even  halfway through the season yer, Lakers are 25th worst out of 30, and you’ve given up?

They have too much talent - they lost like crazy once Ball went out. Since he's back they have been better (not good, but better). And it just doesn't look like it's meant to be.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: Rondo9 on January 13, 2018, 06:07:43 PM
Officially giving up on this pick conveying.
not even  halfway through the season yer, Lakers are 25th worst out of 30, and you’ve given up?

They have too much talent - they lost like crazy once Ball went out. Since he's back they have been better (not good, but better). And it just doesn't look like it's meant to be.

Look at the opponents they've been facing.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: jmen788 on January 13, 2018, 06:18:49 PM
Officially giving up on this pick conveying.
not even  halfway through the season yer, Lakers are 25th worst out of 30, and you’ve given up?

They have too much talent - they lost like crazy once Ball went out. Since he's back they have been better (not good, but better). And it just doesn't look like it's meant to be.

Look at the opponents they've been facing.

Doesn't matter - a win is a win, and they are now winning. They are nowhere near as horrific as say the Magic, Hawks, even Kings, Mavs..
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: Rondo9 on January 13, 2018, 06:21:28 PM
Officially giving up on this pick conveying.
not even  halfway through the season yer, Lakers are 25th worst out of 30, and you’ve given up?

They have too much talent - they lost like crazy once Ball went out. Since he's back they have been better (not good, but better). And it just doesn't look like it's meant to be.

Look at the opponents they've been facing.

Doesn't matter - a win is a win, and they are now winning. They are nowhere near as horrific as say the Magic, Hawks, even Kings, Mavs..

Sometimes bad teams go on win streaks like the Bulls and the Mavs. You can't overreact to these wins especially with plenty of season left.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: jmen788 on January 13, 2018, 06:28:48 PM
I hope you're right... I really do.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: SparzWizard on January 13, 2018, 06:31:39 PM
Lonzo Ball is balling up lately.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: mr. dee on January 13, 2018, 06:54:22 PM
Memphis will be the last "easy" game for the lakers this month before Orlando and Chicago. They're going to have a hard stretch against playoff teams including us.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: mef730 on January 13, 2018, 07:06:25 PM
Officially giving up on this pick conveying.
not even  halfway through the season yer, Lakers are 25th worst out of 30, and you’ve given up?

I gave up a long time ago. More "talent" than too many other teams.

Mike
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: wiley on January 13, 2018, 07:10:15 PM
How highly rated is next year's draft class compared to this one?

This is actually rated as one of the weakest drafts in a while.

By "this" you mean 2019?  I thought this year's (2018) was rated as a strong draft...
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: nickagneta on January 13, 2018, 07:50:03 PM
You guys are giving up hope too soon. Its a lottery. Even if the Lakers don't finish bottom 5 there is still a chance. Honestly, this win streak means little. Horrible opponents, mostly at home. I think they still finish bottom 5.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: mef730 on January 13, 2018, 08:39:33 PM
January and February look like relatively easy schedules for the Lakers. Amazing how the west has turned.

Mike
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: SCeltic34 on January 13, 2018, 09:08:36 PM
You guys are giving up hope too soon. Its a lottery. Even if the Lakers don't finish bottom 5 there is still a chance. Honestly, this win streak means little. Horrible opponents, mostly at home. I think they still finish bottom 5.

I'm not too stressed about it since the worst case scenario we'll get Sacramento's pick next year which is very likely to be in the high lottery - although admittedly I know nothing about the 2019 draft class.  That's still a pretty darn good worst case scenario.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on January 13, 2018, 11:59:47 PM
At least the Bulls won
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: CelticD on January 14, 2018, 12:04:09 AM
You guys are giving up hope too soon. Its a lottery. Even if the Lakers don't finish bottom 5 there is still a chance. Honestly, this win streak means little. Horrible opponents, mostly at home. I think they still finish bottom 5.

I'm not too stressed about it since the worst case scenario we'll get Sacramento's pick next year which is very likely to be in the high lottery - although admittedly I know nothing about the 2019 draft class.  That's still a pretty darn good worst case scenario.

Don't the new draft rules kick in next season? And if I remember correctly, the top 3 non-playoff teams get the best odds
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: tazzmaniac on January 14, 2018, 03:13:36 AM
You guys are giving up hope too soon. Its a lottery. Even if the Lakers don't finish bottom 5 there is still a chance. Honestly, this win streak means little. Horrible opponents, mostly at home. I think they still finish bottom 5.

I'm not too stressed about it since the worst case scenario we'll get Sacramento's pick next year which is very likely to be in the high lottery - although admittedly I know nothing about the 2019 draft class.  That's still a pretty darn good worst case scenario.

Don't the new draft rules kick in next season? And if I remember correctly, the top 3 non-playoff teams get the best odds
In the 2019 draft lottery, the worst 3 teams will have the same best odds but they each have about 48% chance of not getting a top 4 pick. 
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: libermaniac on January 14, 2018, 10:03:16 AM
You guys are giving up hope too soon. Its a lottery. Even if the Lakers don't finish bottom 5 there is still a chance. Honestly, this win streak means little. Horrible opponents, mostly at home. I think they still finish bottom 5.

I'm not too stressed about it since the worst case scenario we'll get Sacramento's pick next year which is very likely to be in the high lottery - although admittedly I know nothing about the 2019 draft class.  That's still a pretty darn good worst case scenario.
Worst case scenario would be getting the Sixers pick next year if the Kings pick is #1.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: PAOBoston on January 14, 2018, 10:28:45 AM
It's a lottery. Nothing is guaranteed. Just go along for the ride. Whatever happens happens.

All I know is we got Jayson Tatum. I'm happy. This (potential) pick is a cherry on top.

Also, at some point, you have to figure Magic makes some sort of move showing the direction they will take (to clear cap space for FAs). That team might look different s month from now.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 14, 2018, 12:34:47 PM
Long way to go. Wasn't over after the losing streak or this winning streak. 40 more games.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: mef730 on January 15, 2018, 01:34:27 PM
You guys are giving up hope too soon. Its a lottery. Even if the Lakers don't finish bottom 5 there is still a chance. Honestly, this win streak means little. Horrible opponents, mostly at home. I think they still finish bottom 5.

I'm not too stressed about it since the worst case scenario we'll get Sacramento's pick next year which is very likely to be in the high lottery - although admittedly I know nothing about the 2019 draft class.  That's still a pretty darn good worst case scenario.

The only downside is that this year has a lot of bigs at the top, while next year's draft doesn't. Things could, of course, change between now and then.

Mike
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: Big333223 on January 15, 2018, 01:47:29 PM
You guys are giving up hope too soon. Its a lottery. Even if the Lakers don't finish bottom 5 there is still a chance. Honestly, this win streak means little. Horrible opponents, mostly at home. I think they still finish bottom 5.

I'm not too stressed about it since the worst case scenario we'll get Sacramento's pick next year which is very likely to be in the high lottery - although admittedly I know nothing about the 2019 draft class.  That's still a pretty darn good worst case scenario.

The only downside is that this year has a lot of bigs at the top, while next year's draft doesn't. Things could, of course, change between now and then.

Mike
I wonder about this scenario: The Lakers pick does not convey. A team that already has a young big (like Orlando or Sacramento) winds up with a top draft position but Doncic and Young are off the board. The next bunch of picks are the bigs. If they could turn one high, but redundant, pick into multiple assets, would they (some combination of the Kings pick/Memphis pick/players)?

How much does Ainge want a big? What does Ainge think of next year's draft prospects compared to this year's? What would he be willing to give up to get Ayton or Bamba or Bagley? What are the salary implications or could salary actually be moved as an asset in the deal?

Obviously that's a lot of questions and the liklihood of a team dealing a high pick to Ainge seems like it might be slimmer than it was a few months ago but I'm still interested in what the team might do in that situation.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: JHTruth on January 15, 2018, 03:14:35 PM
Long way to go. Wasn't over after the losing streak or this winning streak. 40 more games.

Way too early to be definitive.  2-3 games looks it will swing picks 1-8. Hang tight..
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-27, 6th Slot on 1/15)
Post by: Donoghus on January 15, 2018, 03:54:00 PM
Rest of January

@ MEM
@ OKC
    IND
    NYK
    BOS
@ CHI
@ TOR
@ ORL
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-27, 6th Slot on 1/15)
Post by: byennie on January 15, 2018, 04:33:39 PM
Rest of January

@ MEM
@ OKC
    IND
    NYK
    BOS
@ CHI
@ TOR
@ ORL

Go Memphis and Orlando!!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-27, 6th Slot on 1/15)
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 15, 2018, 04:35:07 PM
Lonzo’s out today. Ingram a GTD.

ETA: Ingram out too.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-27, 6th Slot on 1/15)
Post by: Surferdad on January 15, 2018, 05:07:24 PM
Rest of January

@ MEM
@ OKC
    IND
    NYK
    BOS
@ CHI
@ TOR
@ ORL
Other than OKC and BOS, that's not a very hard schedule, but then, anyone can beat anyone else on any given night in this league.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-27, 6th Slot on 1/15)
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 15, 2018, 05:24:24 PM
Hawks beat the Spurs (without Kawhi again) 102-99.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-27, 6th Slot on 1/15)
Post by: konkmv on January 15, 2018, 05:25:51 PM
If the Lakers are a bottom 7 team the is a chance..
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-27, 6th Slot on 1/15)
Post by: MattyIce on January 15, 2018, 05:43:32 PM
bulls beat heat....just about to
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-27, 6th Slot on 1/15)
Post by: Boise To Boston on January 15, 2018, 05:51:28 PM
@ MEM - No Ball or Ingram = Loss
@ OKC -Loss
    IND - Loss
    NYK - Loss
    BOS - Loss
@ CHI - Loss
@ TOR - Loss
@ ORL - Maybe a win

LA should go 1-7 at best the rest of the month.  We need the other tankers (I'm looking at you, Charlotte and Dallas) to step up and win a few to get LAL back in the comfort zone.



Rest of January

@ MEM
@ OKC
    IND
    NYK
    BOS
@ CHI
@ TOR
@ ORL
Other than OKC and BOS, that's not a very hard schedule, but then, anyone can beat anyone else on any given night in this league.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-27, 6th Slot on 1/15)
Post by: celticsclay on January 15, 2018, 05:56:46 PM
@ MEM - No Ball or Ingram = Loss
@ OKC -Loss
    IND - Loss
    NYK - Loss
    BOS - Loss
@ CHI - Loss
@ TOR - Loss
@ ORL - Maybe a win

LA should go 1-7 at best the rest of the month.  We need the other tankers (I'm looking at you, Charlotte and Dallas) to step up and win a few to get LAL back in the comfort zone.



Rest of January

@ MEM
@ OKC
    IND
    NYK
    BOS
@ CHI
@ TOR
@ ORL
Other than OKC and BOS, that's not a very hard schedule, but then, anyone can beat anyone else on any given night in this league.

They are so much worse without ball.. .
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-27, 6th Slot on 1/15)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 15, 2018, 06:31:51 PM
Lakers play everybody strong at home .  Ususally fall to pieces on the road .  Balls away games shooting are extra bad


Lakers are going to trade or dump everybody not named Ball, Ingram or Kuzma ,  to sign James and GP .  ........This has a negitive effect on everybody else knowing they are being tossed to the 7 winds .   I expect this attitude problem to rear its ugly head more as the year plays out .

Guys not wanting tomplay hard for team that does not appreciate them or want them......this could tank em ......severely the mor eit looks like James migjt head west .
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-27, 6th Slot on 1/15)
Post by: mr. dee on January 15, 2018, 07:09:19 PM
Griz starting to blow their lead. If the Griz decides to tank, they should buyout one of Gasol and Tyreke.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-27, 6th Slot on 1/15)
Post by: Phantom255x on January 15, 2018, 07:12:43 PM
I think at this point, our best case scenario is the Lakers finishing 4th worst in the league.

In an ideal scenario, the Grizzlies and Mavericks figure it out a bit, and get past the Lakers in the standings. Unfortunately, I'm not seeing Orlando or Sacramento passing the Lakers in the standings, BUT maybe Atlanta (who have played a lot better than their record states) could go on a run and get past the Lakers.

Still, we also need to hope Brooklyn and Phoenix stay ahead of LAL, which is far from a given as well.

Obviously though, a long season to go, and Lakers will trade some guys to clear up cap space, hopefully making them a bit worse as well.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-27, 6th Slot on 1/15)
Post by: jpotter33 on January 15, 2018, 07:15:48 PM
I think at this point, our best case scenario is the Lakers finishing 4th worst in the league.

In an ideal scenario, the Grizzlies and Mavericks figure it out a bit, and get past the Lakers in the standings. Unfortunately, I'm not seeing Orlando or Sacramento passing the Lakers in the standings, BUT maybe Atlanta (who have played a lot better than their record states) could go on a run and get past the Lakers.

Still, we also need to hope Brooklyn and Phoenix stay ahead of LAL, which is far from a given as well.

Obviously though, a long season to go, and Lakers will trade some guys to clear up cap space, hopefully making them a bit worse as well.

I think Orlando has a better chance of leapfrogging LAL than Atlanta, especially once Vucevic gets back. You're probably right about Sacramento, though. They're just too young as a team with their few vets being too old to make that much of a difference.

I have no worries about Memphis figuring it out once Conley finally gets back. They should do enough to not be a threat. Dallas is a bit more difficult to project. They "seem" like they should be better than they are, and hopefully their current fifth most difficult strength of schedule will balance out a bit and help them in the second half of the year.

I also think Phoenix and Brooklyn should stay ahead of LA, though I'm a bit more worried about Phoenix (who has incentive to tank the end of the year) than Brooklyn.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-27, 6th Slot on 1/15)
Post by: azzenfrost on January 15, 2018, 07:18:54 PM
Marc Gasol is solid. Wish he had at least one ring.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-27, 6th Slot on 1/15)
Post by: Phantom255x on January 15, 2018, 07:19:41 PM
I think at this point, our best case scenario is the Lakers finishing 4th worst in the league.

In an ideal scenario, the Grizzlies and Mavericks figure it out a bit, and get past the Lakers in the standings. Unfortunately, I'm not seeing Orlando or Sacramento passing the Lakers in the standings, BUT maybe Atlanta (who have played a lot better than their record states) could go on a run and get past the Lakers.

Still, we also need to hope Brooklyn and Phoenix stay ahead of LAL, which is far from a given as well.

Obviously though, a long season to go, and Lakers will trade some guys to clear up cap space, hopefully making them a bit worse as well.

I think Orlando has a better chance of leapfrogging LAL than Atlanta, especially once Vucevic gets back.

Fair enough, but weren't they doing bad even when Vucevic was there before he got injured?

Idk what happened with Orlando. I didn't expect they'd keep up with the "Top-5 in the East" pace they were playing with earlier in the season, but man, they went from a possible playoff sleeper to a team with the worst record in the league now...  :o
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-27, 6th Slot on 1/15)
Post by: Phantom255x on January 15, 2018, 07:23:27 PM
Marc Gasol is solid. Wish he had at least one ring.

If only his contract wasn't as huge right now, we could absorb him and win a ring together!  ;D
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-27, 6th Slot on 1/15)
Post by: Phantom255x on January 15, 2018, 07:33:19 PM
Grizzlies up 89-72. Two minutes left in the 3rd. Please don't blow this MEM!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-27, 6th Slot on 1/15)
Post by: azzenfrost on January 15, 2018, 07:36:31 PM
Grizzlies doing alright even when Marc is resting on the bench.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-27, 6th Slot on 1/15)
Post by: Kevins Gamble on January 15, 2018, 08:04:24 PM
Lakers making a run with two minutes left...[Update: Couldn't sustain it...Lakers add an L, Memphis adds a W to the totals]
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-27, 6th Slot on 1/15)
Post by: mr. dee on January 15, 2018, 08:12:35 PM
That was close but we'll take it.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-27, 6th Slot on 1/15)
Post by: Phantom255x on January 15, 2018, 08:29:44 PM
So Grizzlies 0.5 games back of Lakers, with a game against the Knicks on Wednesday.

Meanwhile, Lakers play OKC on the road Wednesday, so hey, maybe things work out then and MEM jumps past LAL on Wednesday.  ;D
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-27, 6th Slot on 1/15)
Post by: mr. dee on January 15, 2018, 08:37:54 PM
So Grizzlies 0.5 games back of Lakers, with a game against the Knicks on Wednesday.

Meanwhile, Lakers play OKC on the road Wednesday, so hey, maybe things work out then and MEM jumps past LAL on Wednesday.  ;D

Who will the MEM face on wednesday? Just curious.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-27, 6th Slot on 1/15)
Post by: Phantom255x on January 15, 2018, 08:38:24 PM
So Grizzlies 0.5 games back of Lakers, with a game against the Knicks on Wednesday.

Meanwhile, Lakers play OKC on the road Wednesday, so hey, maybe things work out then and MEM jumps past LAL on Wednesday.  ;D

Who will the MEM face on wednesday? Just curious.

As I said, they play the Knicks on Wednesday.

Not a guaranteed win, but it's winnable IMO, at home.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-27, 6th Slot on 1/15)
Post by: Atzar on January 15, 2018, 08:39:21 PM
But who do the Grizz face on Wednesday?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (13-27, 5th Slot on 1/10)
Post by: mef730 on January 15, 2018, 08:41:06 PM
You guys are giving up hope too soon. Its a lottery. Even if the Lakers don't finish bottom 5 there is still a chance. Honestly, this win streak means little. Horrible opponents, mostly at home. I think they still finish bottom 5.

I'm not too stressed about it since the worst case scenario we'll get Sacramento's pick next year which is very likely to be in the high lottery - although admittedly I know nothing about the 2019 draft class.  That's still a pretty darn good worst case scenario.

The only downside is that this year has a lot of bigs at the top, while next year's draft doesn't. Things could, of course, change between now and then.

Mike
I wonder about this scenario: The Lakers pick does not convey. A team that already has a young big (like Orlando or Sacramento) winds up with a top draft position but Doncic and Young are off the board. The next bunch of picks are the bigs. If they could turn one high, but redundant, pick into multiple assets, would they (some combination of the Kings pick/Memphis pick/players)?

How much does Ainge want a big? What does Ainge think of next year's draft prospects compared to this year's? What would he be willing to give up to get Ayton or Bamba or Bagley? What are the salary implications or could salary actually be moved as an asset in the deal?

Obviously that's a lot of questions and the liklihood of a team dealing a high pick to Ainge seems like it might be slimmer than it was a few months ago but I'm still interested in what the team might do in that situation.

You get a TP because I had the same thought, and great minds really think alike. my only question is how much Orl/Sac/etc. will require in addition to next year's pick, since it can't be #1 and they'd be giving up a guaranteed top-3/4/5 pick this year for the Sacramento pick next year, which could end up anywhere.

Mike
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-27, 6th Slot on 1/15)
Post by: CelticSooner on January 15, 2018, 08:46:32 PM
I think at this point, our best case scenario is the Lakers finishing 4th worst in the league.

In an ideal scenario, the Grizzlies and Mavericks figure it out a bit, and get past the Lakers in the standings. Unfortunately, I'm not seeing Orlando or Sacramento passing the Lakers in the standings, BUT maybe Atlanta (who have played a lot better than their record states) could go on a run and get past the Lakers.

Still, we also need to hope Brooklyn and Phoenix stay ahead of LAL, which is far from a given as well.

Obviously though, a long season to go, and Lakers will trade some guys to clear up cap space, hopefully making them a bit worse as well.

At this point in the season I'd say all these teams are "worse" than the Lakers talent wise.

Orlando
Atlanta
Sacramento
Dallas (better coach may offset this)
Brooklyn (better coach may offset his)

Definitely going to be a roller-coaster ride.

Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-27, 6th Slot on 1/15)
Post by: mef730 on January 15, 2018, 08:50:47 PM
I think at this point, our best case scenario is the Lakers finishing 4th worst in the league.

In an ideal scenario, the Grizzlies and Mavericks figure it out a bit, and get past the Lakers in the standings. Unfortunately, I'm not seeing Orlando or Sacramento passing the Lakers in the standings, BUT maybe Atlanta (who have played a lot better than their record states) could go on a run and get past the Lakers.

Still, we also need to hope Brooklyn and Phoenix stay ahead of LAL, which is far from a given as well.

Obviously though, a long season to go, and Lakers will trade some guys to clear up cap space, hopefully making them a bit worse as well.

At this point in the season I'd say all these teams are "worse" than the Lakers talent wise.

Orlando
Atlanta
Sacramento
Dallas (better coach may offset this)
Brooklyn (better coach may offset his)

Definitely going to be a roller-coaster ride.

I think you have to throw Memphis in there, as well. I'm not ready to write off Phoenix, either.

Mike
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-27, 6th Slot on 1/15)
Post by: CelticSooner on January 15, 2018, 08:55:13 PM
I think at this point, our best case scenario is the Lakers finishing 4th worst in the league.

In an ideal scenario, the Grizzlies and Mavericks figure it out a bit, and get past the Lakers in the standings. Unfortunately, I'm not seeing Orlando or Sacramento passing the Lakers in the standings, BUT maybe Atlanta (who have played a lot better than their record states) could go on a run and get past the Lakers.

Still, we also need to hope Brooklyn and Phoenix stay ahead of LAL, which is far from a given as well.

Obviously though, a long season to go, and Lakers will trade some guys to clear up cap space, hopefully making them a bit worse as well.

At this point in the season I'd say all these teams are "worse" than the Lakers talent wise.

Orlando
Atlanta
Sacramento
Dallas (better coach may offset this)
Brooklyn (better coach may offset his)

Definitely going to be a roller-coaster ride.

I think you have to throw Memphis in there, as well. I'm not ready to write off Phoenix, either.

Mike

I think Memphis will be out of the way once Conley gets back. Phoenix is the wildcard, they may go full tank mode late in the season lol
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-27, 6th Slot on 1/15)
Post by: mef730 on January 15, 2018, 09:04:45 PM
I'm concerned that Conley doesn't come back at all.

Mike
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-27, 6th Slot on 1/15)
Post by: Phantom255x on January 15, 2018, 09:11:15 PM
I think at this point, our best case scenario is the Lakers finishing 4th worst in the league.

In an ideal scenario, the Grizzlies and Mavericks figure it out a bit, and get past the Lakers in the standings. Unfortunately, I'm not seeing Orlando or Sacramento passing the Lakers in the standings, BUT maybe Atlanta (who have played a lot better than their record states) could go on a run and get past the Lakers.

Still, we also need to hope Brooklyn and Phoenix stay ahead of LAL, which is far from a given as well.

Obviously though, a long season to go, and Lakers will trade some guys to clear up cap space, hopefully making them a bit worse as well.

At this point in the season I'd say all these teams are "worse" than the Lakers talent wise.

Orlando
Atlanta
Sacramento
Dallas (better coach may offset this)
Brooklyn (better coach may offset his)

Definitely going to be a roller-coaster ride.

That's why I say "best case"

Maybe by a miracle, Dallas leaps LAL, and BKN stays ahead of them (Phoenix too).

Either way, I think the best we can hope for is a pick in the 4-5 range. Hard to see it at 2-3 unless the lottery goes our way.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-27, 6th Slot on 1/15)
Post by: Atzar on January 15, 2018, 09:19:55 PM
I think at this point, our best case scenario is the Lakers finishing 4th worst in the league.

In an ideal scenario, the Grizzlies and Mavericks figure it out a bit, and get past the Lakers in the standings. Unfortunately, I'm not seeing Orlando or Sacramento passing the Lakers in the standings, BUT maybe Atlanta (who have played a lot better than their record states) could go on a run and get past the Lakers.

Still, we also need to hope Brooklyn and Phoenix stay ahead of LAL, which is far from a given as well.

Obviously though, a long season to go, and Lakers will trade some guys to clear up cap space, hopefully making them a bit worse as well.

At this point in the season I'd say all these teams are "worse" than the Lakers talent wise.

Orlando
Atlanta
Sacramento
Dallas (better coach may offset this)
Brooklyn (better coach may offset his)

Definitely going to be a roller-coaster ride.

I think you have to throw Memphis in there, as well. I'm not ready to write off Phoenix, either.

Mike

I think Memphis will be out of the way once Conley gets back. Phoenix is the wildcard, they may go full tank mode late in the season lol

This may be wishful thinking on my part, but I don't think Phoenix should be tanking.  They have a very nice and underappreciated collection of young talent.  Booker, Warren, Jackson, Len, Chriss, Bender.  They need a point guard to add to that group, but this isn't a very good PG draft anyway.  It's really just Trae Young (who I think is a bad fit with Booker since both are defensive nonentities) and Collin Sexton, who Phoenix should be able to nab in the 7-10 range if they want him. 

I think they'd get more value from teaching this core to win than they would from adding another kid to the classroom.       

Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-27, 6th Slot on 1/15)
Post by: jambr380 on January 15, 2018, 10:05:33 PM
This may be wishful thinking on my part, but I don't think Phoenix should be tanking.  They have a very nice and underappreciated collection of young talent.  Booker, Warren, Jackson, Len, Chriss, Bender.  They need a point guard to add to that group, but this isn't a very good PG draft anyway.  It's really just Trae Young (who I think is a bad fit with Booker since both are defensive nonentities) and Collin Sexton, who Phoenix should be able to nab in the 7-10 range if they want him. 

I think they'd get more value from teaching this core to win than they would from adding another kid to the classroom.     

Yeah, that's a good point. It's not like they are starting over from scratch; they already have a number of young players who should be learning how to win and they will be getting a very good pick anyway.

I am sure they wouldn't mind adding a guy like Ayton, though - they don't exactly have that super-center down low.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-27, 6th Slot on 1/15)
Post by: Kevins Gamble on January 15, 2018, 10:57:50 PM
I think at this point, our best case scenario is the Lakers finishing 4th worst in the league.

In an ideal scenario, the Grizzlies and Mavericks figure it out a bit, and get past the Lakers in the standings. Unfortunately, I'm not seeing Orlando or Sacramento passing the Lakers in the standings, BUT maybe Atlanta (who have played a lot better than their record states) could go on a run and get past the Lakers.

Still, we also need to hope Brooklyn and Phoenix stay ahead of LAL, which is far from a given as well.

Obviously though, a long season to go, and Lakers will trade some guys to clear up cap space, hopefully making them a bit worse as well.

At this point in the season I'd say all these teams are "worse" than the Lakers talent wise.

Orlando
Atlanta
Sacramento
Dallas (better coach may offset this)
Brooklyn (better coach may offset his)

Definitely going to be a roller-coaster ride.

I probably agree with this list, but I have hope that Atlanta gels and starts playing simply "below average" and not worst in the league.  Side note...can't believe it, but how long before we need to start worrying about the Jazz impacting our pick as well?

I wonder how much of the Lakers being better is a group mentality of young guys playing hard together and feeling disrespected by their own management.  When Magic starts trading a bunch of their pieces away for next year's contracts, does that "mentality" splinter and everyone just starts playing for their own stats and they begin losing in bunches?
(Wishful thinking I know...)
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-27, 6th Slot on 1/15)
Post by: celticinorlando on January 15, 2018, 11:00:37 PM
Lakers are going to burn it down sooner than later. Randle, Nance, etc will all be shipped out to create room for the off season

We have to hope they stay out of the 1 hole
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-27, 6th Slot on 1/15)
Post by: tazzmaniac on January 15, 2018, 11:18:14 PM
Lakers are going to burn it down sooner than later. Randle, Nance, etc will all be shipped out to create room for the off season

We have to hope they stay out of the 1 hole
The Lakers finishing with the worst record is better for us than if they finish 4th or 5th worse.

If they trade Randle, Nance, etc, it probably won't affect their record much.  There are a lot of teams incentivized to tank to improve their pick. 
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-27, 6th Slot on 1/15)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 15, 2018, 11:55:44 PM
Lakers are going to burn it down sooner than later. Randle, Nance, etc will all be shipped out to create room for the off season

We have to hope they stay out of the 1 hole

Every game Cavs lose ,  Lebron s foot is one step,closer to boarding the plane to LA.   Lakers Front office is aware of this ....else they would have kept Lou Williams , Russell ....nice players .....everything is about FA s for that franchise .   Making room for Lebron , PG and or Boogie. 

Lakers are in a conundrum,   Pulling for Boston to beat Cavs ......sending Lebron packing for LA .   

Only way Lebron stays at minimum another finals appearance .   He has limited options because cap,space and GM whomwant to deal with his circus.   Lakers is the best option .....to be catered to.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-27, 6th Slot on 1/15)
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on January 16, 2018, 04:03:36 AM
It's as if I have been watching a different LBJ all these years compared to the one that people think will become a Lakers. No way in heck is he going to play for LA when he is winding down his career, he will never be more beloved than Kobe there and that isn't good for his legacy! He is not going to do it! No way! Kobe was/is too big there, he just doesn't have enough time to be the lasting figure in Lakers heart like Kobe. LBJ cares about how he is remembered on the court and no one will look at him as a king in Kobe's court. Oh, he'll be hot at the moment (his last few years) but he will never be THE MAN when it's done because that's all Kobe.

I also have trouble seeing him go to the much tougher conference, he will be beat up and [dang] near dead trying to get to the finals every season. He's not going to do it!!! Look what Durant had to do to get his ring!

LBJ and 1 other star on LA is not a championship team. It's hard for teams to win with 3 stars these days. Can you imagine LBJ and one of PG13 or Cous beating 3 of GSW, Spurs, Houston, LAC (if they add a couple pieces), and OKC (with PG13 if he doesn't go to LA)? They would have to be nearly a perfect team to even get the #1 spot and pray that round one is an easy team. LOL that's messy! NOPE, NOT HAPPENING! It's as if people think LBJ has had to go through 3 tough rounds to get to the Finals, in the West it's guaranteed unless you are the #1 seed and with the way the West has been, even that isn't a given. 
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-27, 6th Slot on 1/15)
Post by: JBcat on January 16, 2018, 09:56:51 AM
Lakers are going to burn it down sooner than later. Randle, Nance, etc will all be shipped out to create room for the off season

We have to hope they stay out of the 1 hole
The Lakers finishing with the worst record is better for us than if they finish 4th or 5th worse.

If they trade Randle, Nance, etc, it probably won't affect their record much.  There are a lot of teams incentivized to tank to improve their pick.

I read somewhere (sorry don’t have a link) that the Mavs are interested in native Randle either in trade or FA, and Cuban isn’t one to purposely tank. Maybe the expiring of Josh McRoberts and a protected pick will work then you get his bird rights for RFA.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-28, 6th Slot on 1/16)
Post by: footey on January 16, 2018, 11:08:20 AM
LBJ will either stick it out with CLE or find another team that can compete in the East.   Can still see him going back to MIA, or joining the Knicks if they can get another scorer.  He doesn't make much sense in Philly or MIL due to his ball dominance. They already have top notch ball dominant players.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-28, 6th Slot on 1/16)
Post by: Phantom255x on January 16, 2018, 08:54:47 PM
Magic right now in a very tight game with the T-Wolves. 81-80 Wolves, 9 minutes to go.

Hopefully the Magic squeak it out.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-28, 6th Slot on 1/16)
Post by: Phantom255x on January 16, 2018, 09:12:15 PM
Magic up 100-92, 2 minutes to go!  ;D
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-28, 6th Slot on 1/16)
Post by: Phantom255x on January 16, 2018, 09:26:37 PM
Orlando Magic win!

Now they are 13-31.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-28, 6th Slot on 1/16)
Post by: azzenfrost on January 16, 2018, 09:58:07 PM
Nice nice. Please convey.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-28, 6th Slot on 1/16)
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 17, 2018, 01:10:05 PM
Lonzo's out tonight. More Tyler Ennis time.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-28, 6th Slot on 1/16)
Post by: mr. dee on January 17, 2018, 08:49:43 PM
Thunder fooling around.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-28, 6th Slot on 1/16)
Post by: Phantom255x on January 17, 2018, 09:15:55 PM
This Thunder team really is inconsistent.

They'll have a few great games together, then the next few will be completely dysfunctional.

Hopefully they hang on today and get the win tonight though.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-28, 6th Slot on 1/16)
Post by: Kevins Gamble on January 17, 2018, 09:21:32 PM
Hawks are playing the Pelicans tougher than we did last night...
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-28, 6th Slot on 1/16)
Post by: Phantom255x on January 17, 2018, 09:26:14 PM
Hawks are playing the Pelicans tougher than we did last night...

Unfortunately Pelicans went on a 7-0 run to re-take the lead.

Would be nice for Hawks to steal a win tonight though.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-28, 6th Slot on 1/16)
Post by: smokeablount on January 17, 2018, 09:27:43 PM
Thunder completing step 1 in the process of pulling away in the third quarter. And my grizzlies ML wager looks real good so far.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-28, 6th Slot on 1/16)
Post by: smokeablount on January 17, 2018, 09:30:26 PM
Hawks are playing the Pelicans tougher than we did last night...

Unfortunately Pelicans went on a 7-0 run to re-take the lead.

Would be nice for Hawks to steal a win tonight though.

I just reserve 3 spots below the Lakers for the Hawks, Kings & Magic. If one of them moves ahead of LA, I’d imagine someone like the Suns could drop down and take that spot.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-28, 6th Slot on 1/16)
Post by: Kevins Gamble on January 17, 2018, 09:30:49 PM
Good grief...Davis/Cousins really do get a lot of cheap calls don't they?  It wasn't just against us...

If they called Cousins' defense as tightly as they call defenders playing on him...he would be out of each game by mid-3rd quarter.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-28, 6th Slot on 1/16)
Post by: Phantom255x on January 17, 2018, 09:33:32 PM
Hawks are playing the Pelicans tougher than we did last night...

Unfortunately Pelicans went on a 7-0 run to re-take the lead.

Would be nice for Hawks to steal a win tonight though.

I just reserve 3 spots below the Lakers for the Hawks, Kings & Magic. If one of them moves ahead of LA, I’d imagine someone like the Suns could drop down and take that spot.

Yeah I hope Suns, Mavs and Nets stay ahead of LAL.

If so, having the Lakers as 4th worst in the league seems solid. Should give us 70% odds of a pick between 2-5 (still pretty good).
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-28, 6th Slot on 1/16)
Post by: Phantom255x on January 17, 2018, 09:35:56 PM
Lakers next 4 games:

IND
NYK
BOS
@TOR

I expect they go 1-3 in that stretch but wouldn't be surprised if they go 0-4.

IND, BOS and TOR look like great teams and Knicks are slightly better too.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-28, 6th Slot on 1/16)
Post by: Kevins Gamble on January 17, 2018, 09:43:30 PM
Muppet News Flash: NBA referees are not very good at their selected professions
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-28, 6th Slot on 1/16)
Post by: Kevins Gamble on January 17, 2018, 09:51:03 PM
Hawks beat the Pelicans!
Side note: If the refs ever decide to stop bailing Cousins out with phantom blocking calls, he'll be out of the league in two years.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-28, 6th Slot on 1/16)
Post by: Phantom255x on January 17, 2018, 09:53:52 PM
HAWKS WIN!! Bazemore with ice in his veins!  ;D

Hawks beat the Pelicans!
Side note: If the refs ever decide to stop bailing Cousins out with phantom blocking calls, he'll be out of the league in two years.

Oh so now it's my fault...

 ;)
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-28, 6th Slot on 1/16)
Post by: mr. dee on January 17, 2018, 10:01:21 PM
Safe to say Hornets won't be a threat for the bottom 5 for now.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-28, 6th Slot on 1/16)
Post by: MattyIce on January 17, 2018, 10:09:21 PM
what a rebound and slam by green, let’s go grizz!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-28, 6th Slot on 1/16)
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 17, 2018, 10:21:01 PM
Memphis wins, Lakers back in the 5th slot.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-28, 6th Slot on 1/16)
Post by: trickybilly on January 17, 2018, 10:41:30 PM
HAWKS WIN!! Bazemore with ice in his veins!  ;D

Hawks beat the Pelicans!
Side note: If the refs ever decide to stop bailing Cousins out with phantom blocking calls, he'll be out of the league in two years.

Oh so now it's my fault...

 ;)

TOUGH fallaway from Baze. Nothing but net. Really nice move to get separation from Davis' enormous arms.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-28, 6th Slot on 1/16)
Post by: trickybilly on January 17, 2018, 11:01:04 PM
I'll put this here, due to the fact we need a Kings win. But they just held the most bizarre timeout game. Two guys fighting for fishing out a token from a bucket of slaughtered pigs' feet.

Sheesh. The kings aren't that bad this year
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-28, 6th Slot on 1/16)
Post by: sdceltsfan on January 17, 2018, 11:41:04 PM
This makes watching mediocre and bad basketball teams so much more entertaining!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-28, 6th Slot on 1/16)
Post by: CelticsElite on January 18, 2018, 12:04:21 AM
Grizz, thunder, hawks, and hornets did their job today


Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-28, 6th Slot on 1/16)
Post by: CelticsElite on January 18, 2018, 12:46:39 AM
3 teams are now tied for worst team in the league: tankathon.com

I choose to believe that this means there is no “2016 nets” singular bad team... most teams at the bottom have some fight.  this bodes Well for our pick because out of all the teams at the bottom, I see the lakers long losing streaks show a way of “not putting up a fight” and signals that they might give up if the going gets tough later in the season
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-28, 6th Slot on 1/16)
Post by: Roy H. on January 18, 2018, 02:01:03 AM
3 teams are now tied for worst team in the league: tankathon.com

I choose to believe that this means there is no “2016 nets” singular bad team... most teams at the bottom have some fight.  this bodes Well for our pick because out of all the teams at the bottom, I see the lakers long losing streaks show a way of “not putting up a fight” and signals that they might give up if the going gets tough later in the season

I hope you’re right. Tanking season hasn’t really begun yet, though.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-29, 6th Slot on 1/17)
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 18, 2018, 06:35:22 PM
Quote
Lakers will be short-handed once again tomorrow against Indiana. Lonzo Ball and Kentavious Caldwell-Pope will be listed as out, with Brandon Ingram and Kyle Kuzma questionable.

https://twitter.com/billoram/status/954126385517289472
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-29, 6th Slot on 1/17)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 18, 2018, 07:26:23 PM
Quote
Lakers will be short-handed once again tomorrow against Indiana. Lonzo Ball and Kentavious Caldwell-Pope will be listed as out, with Brandon Ingram and Kyle Kuzma questionable.

https://twitter.com/billoram/status/954126385517289472


Tank on !
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-29, 6th Slot on 1/17)
Post by: mef730 on January 19, 2018, 10:44:54 AM
Sadly, Indy on the second night of a back-to-back, only a 2 point favorite.

Mike
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-28, 6th Slot on 1/16)
Post by: fairweatherfan on January 19, 2018, 10:49:25 AM
3 teams are now tied for worst team in the league: tankathon.com

I choose to believe that this means there is no “2016 nets” singular bad team... most teams at the bottom have some fight.  this bodes Well for our pick because out of all the teams at the bottom, I see the lakers long losing streaks show a way of “not putting up a fight” and signals that they might give up if the going gets tough later in the season

That's what's struck me about this season's lottery standings - lots of bad teams, no genuinely terrible teams. Atlanta's probably the closest and they play hard enough to get over sometimes.

If records hold up this would be the first season since 06-07 that nobody finishes under .250.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-29, 6th Slot on 1/17)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 19, 2018, 11:32:54 AM
If Lakers dump Clarkson and Randle .....the losses should pile up.   Ball Kuzma and Ingram is not carrying the team by themselves to many wins.

Ball seems injury prone too.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-29, 6th Slot on 1/17)
Post by: Kevins Gamble on January 19, 2018, 09:50:33 PM
Strange to watch the Heat play someone other than the Celtics and Olynyk not score like Wilt Chamberlain...
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-29, 6th Slot on 1/17)
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 19, 2018, 09:56:28 PM
Sadly, Indy on the second night of a back-to-back, only a 2 point favorite.

Mike

Ingram was a GTD and is out too, so no Ball Ingram or Pope.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-29, 6th Slot on 1/17)
Post by: Kevins Gamble on January 19, 2018, 09:56:46 PM
Brooklyn beats the Heat...two win lead on Lakers now.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-29, 6th Slot on 1/17)
Post by: jpotter33 on January 20, 2018, 12:32:52 AM
Ugh, chase that pipe dream of signing George and James this summer and just trade Clarkson already, Lakers! This team would definitely be bottom five without Clarkson always bailing them out offensively.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-29, 6th Slot on 1/17)
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 20, 2018, 12:41:36 AM
Woah. Lakers going to win without Ball/Ingram/KCP. Brooklyn Memphis and Phoenix won too.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-29, 6th Slot on 1/17)
Post by: Phantom255x on January 20, 2018, 11:27:40 AM
Woah. Lakers going to win without Ball/Ingram/KCP. Brooklyn Memphis and Phoenix won too.

That's good that the other three teams won, sort of removes the sting of that LAL win.

Dallas is the wild card. If they go on a run and stay above LAL, then LAL stay around the 4th worst in the league (assuming ATL, SAC and ORL stay behind them), and our shot at a 2-5 pick is around 71% I believe (pretty solid).

Still a long season left though, but LAL will also be selling soon I imagine to open up cap space. Have to hope the "rental/expiring" they get back isn't some stud though lol.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-29, 6th Slot on 1/17)
Post by: liam on January 20, 2018, 01:25:09 PM
Woah. Lakers going to win without Ball/Ingram/KCP. Brooklyn Memphis and Phoenix won too.

I think the Lakers are pretty much always better without Ball on the court.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-29, 6th Slot on 1/17)
Post by: CelticsElite on January 20, 2018, 02:36:13 PM
This is how bad the pacers are

 The Lakers, with three starters out because of injuries Friday, had the worst free throw shooting percentage in a game in NBA history -- and still won.

With Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram and Kentavious Caldwell-Pope out, the Lakers shot an abysmal 2-for-14 from the foul line in a 99-86 win over the Indiana Pacers at Staples Center.

The 14.3 percent from the free throw line is the lowest by any team in NBA history with a minimum of 10 attempts, according to the Elias Sports Bureau.

Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-29, 6th Slot on 1/17)
Post by: chilidawg on January 20, 2018, 03:00:10 PM
Woah. Lakers going to win without Ball/Ingram/KCP. Brooklyn Memphis and Phoenix won too.

I think the Lakers are pretty much always better without Ball on the court.

But just the opposite is actually true.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-29, 6th Slot on 1/17)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 20, 2018, 03:00:42 PM
one of the worst games i ve seen Pacers play in a long time .  Zero energy and awful shooting.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-29, 6th Slot on 1/17)
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on January 20, 2018, 03:40:34 PM
Woah. Lakers going to win without Ball/Ingram/KCP. Brooklyn Memphis and Phoenix won too.

That's good that the other three teams won, sort of removes the sting of that LAL win.

Dallas is the wild card. If they go on a run and stay above LAL, then LAL stay around the 4th worst in the league (assuming ATL, SAC and ORL stay behind them), and our shot at a 2-5 pick is around 71% I believe (pretty solid).

Still a long season left though, but LAL will also be selling soon I imagine to open up cap space. Have to hope the "rental/expiring" they get back isn't some stud though lol.

Couldn't agree more.  I have my eyes set on that #4 slot.  We need Dallas to start winning a few games.  On paper they are pretty bad but seem to always play well against us.  Hopefully they can win a couple of games over the next few weeks.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-29, 6th Slot on 1/17)
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 20, 2018, 03:45:46 PM
Ball's set to miss his fourth straight game.

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Lonzo Ball did not practice today. He’s out tomorrow. KCP & Ingram questionable for Sunday.

https://twitter.com/shahanLA/status/954804399791943681
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-29, 6th Slot on 1/17)
Post by: GreenEnvy on January 20, 2018, 04:32:31 PM
Woah. Lakers going to win without Ball/Ingram/KCP. Brooklyn Memphis and Phoenix won too.

I think the Lakers are pretty much always better without Ball on the court.

But just the opposite is actually true.

I don’t know how definitive that is.

Lakers team ORtg is 103 and their DRtg is 107. Ball’s is 95 and 105, respectively. Seems like he hurts their offense much more than he helps their defense.

There are some numbers that show he’s a marginal plus player (all on the defensive side, and interestingly enough, bbref has him as a +7.7 net), but like I said, a case can certainly be made they are better off with him off the court.

He’s a poor player on a poor team, he’s not an impact player.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-29, 6th Slot on 1/17)
Post by: Moranis on January 20, 2018, 05:25:32 PM
Woah. Lakers going to win without Ball/Ingram/KCP. Brooklyn Memphis and Phoenix won too.

I think the Lakers are pretty much always better without Ball on the court.

But just the opposite is actually true.

I don’t know how definitive that is.

Lakers team ORtg is 103 and their DRtg is 107. Ball’s is 95 and 105, respectively. Seems like he hurts their offense much more than he helps their defense.

There are some numbers that show he’s a marginal plus player (all on the defensive side, and interestingly enough, bbref has him as a +7.7 net), but like I said, a case can certainly be made they are better off with him off the court.

He’s a poor player on a poor team, he’s not an impact player.
you really can't make that case because as you say the Lakers are just flat out better with him on the court than with him off the court.  For example, Ball leads the Lakers with an on court +- of -1.1.  KCP is next closest at -2.2 (I'm disregarding Blue and Payton who aren't regulars).  The on vs. off difference for Ball as you say is 7.7, KCP is 2nd at 5.1.  There just aren't any metrics that show the Lakers are a better team with Ball not on the floor.  In fact, he is their most important player when it comes to actual score performance.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (15-29, 6th Slot on 1/17)
Post by: Kevins Gamble on January 20, 2018, 05:43:54 PM
one of the worst games i ve seen Pacers play in a long time .  Zero energy and awful shooting.

Yeah, it looked like men in suits were waiting behind Staples Center to crack Lance Stephenson's kneecap if the Pacers covered.  Been a while since I've seen someone loft so many terrible shots without a hint of hesitation (1-12).  I'm sure his defense and intangibles made up for it, but he absolutely killed several Pacer rallies during the night...
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (16-29, 5th Slot on 1/20)
Post by: CelticsElite on January 21, 2018, 06:24:42 PM
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Lakers won today but so did the nets and magic



Tomorrow we need These teams to win:

Hawks
Grizz
Bulls
Kings
Mavs
Suns
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (16-29, 5th Slot on 1/20)
Post by: CelticSooner on January 21, 2018, 06:39:38 PM
If the Lakers win on Tuesday this place will riot.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (16-29, 5th Slot on 1/20)
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 21, 2018, 06:41:50 PM
If the Lakers win on Tuesday this place will riot.

Hopefully not, with the Sacramento top 1 protected pick as backup. Imagine if the C's still had Brooklyn's pick.  :)

Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (16-29, 5th Slot on 1/20)
Post by: Atzar on January 21, 2018, 06:54:30 PM
The Lakers are 6-4 in their last 10, out of the bottom five, and the worst part of their schedule is behind them.  It's beginning to look like they're a bit too good to get us that pick unless we get a big dose of lottery luck. 

That said, I hope to end up with a pick at the top of this draft regardless.  I'd move the rest of our draft stash to do it, if necessary.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (16-29, 5th Slot on 1/20)
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on January 21, 2018, 07:01:17 PM
Getting the pick was always a long shot with so many awful teams in the league this season.  Hopefully we  get some lottery luck to make up for 1997.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (16-29, 5th Slot on 1/20)
Post by: Phantom255x on January 21, 2018, 07:02:49 PM
WHY DANNY, WHY couldn't you have made it a protected pick with it conveying to us from 2-6....

2-5 just seems real tough.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (16-29, 5th Slot on 1/20)
Post by: CelticSooner on January 21, 2018, 07:04:54 PM
Clarkson and Randle need to go ASAP.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (16-29, 5th Slot on 1/20)
Post by: CelticsElite on January 22, 2018, 10:04:11 PM
Decent night so far. Bulls hawks and hornets won.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (16-29, 5th Slot on 1/20)
Post by: mr. dee on January 22, 2018, 10:05:38 PM
WHY DANNY, WHY couldn't you have made it a protected pick with it conveying to us from 2-6....

2-5 just seems real tough.

Kings doesn't look to be improving anytime soon.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (16-29, 5th Slot on 1/20)
Post by: MattyIce on January 22, 2018, 10:15:35 PM
Decent night so far. Bulls hawks and hornets won.

we calling games within 5 with 2 minutes to go now?  i hope your right though
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (16-29, 5th Slot on 1/20)
Post by: MattyIce on January 22, 2018, 10:20:22 PM
Decent night so far. Bulls hawks and hornets won.

we calling games within 5 with 2 minutes to go now?  i hope your right though

tie game

Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (16-29, 5th Slot on 1/20)
Post by: MattyIce on January 22, 2018, 10:40:12 PM
memphis wins
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (16-29, 5th Slot on 1/20)
Post by: saltlover on January 22, 2018, 10:44:36 PM
memphis wins

Dallas too.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (16-29, 5th Slot on 1/20)
Post by: MattyIce on January 22, 2018, 10:46:56 PM
Decent night so far. Bulls hawks and hornets won.

we calling games within 5 with 2 minutes to go now?  i hope your right though

tie game

2cd OT
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (16-29, 5th Slot on 1/20)
Post by: trickybilly on January 22, 2018, 10:50:18 PM
Pretty good night for the pick!

Dallas are definitely getting better and might even be a buyer at the deadline

So Lauri is exactly who we wanted KO to be...
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (16-29, 5th Slot on 1/20)
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 25, 2018, 03:02:12 AM
Two weeks until the trade deadline!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (16-29, 5th Slot on 1/20)
Post by: mef730 on January 26, 2018, 02:24:00 PM
Two weeks until the trade deadline!

First, a thank you to Sacramento for knocking off Miami, who always seems to find a way to screw us.

I miss the old trade deadline. I have a conference the week of Presidents Day every year and, on that Thursday, during the afternoon meetings, a lot of people started to get really fidgety. The internet at the conference site is crap and you could always tell who was following the trade deadline news.

Mike
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (18-29, 9th Slot on 1/26)
Post by: JBcat on January 26, 2018, 03:58:19 PM
I like to think of myself as an optimist so with roughly 35 games left in the season a lot can still happen.  As long as the Lakers don’t pull away and stay within 2 or 3 games of the bottom group I’m still hopeful.   

Lakers need to get back to their losing ways, and the trade deadline can’t come me soon enough as well as the buyout market.

There is talk of Randle and Clarkson potential trades, but I would also keep an eye on Lopez, Caldwell Pope, and Brewer as potential buyout candidates as all are in the last year of their contract.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (18-29, 9th Slot on 1/26)
Post by: BringToughnessBack on January 26, 2018, 04:13:30 PM
Well, Last time I posted thoughts about us not having a chance to get in the top 5, they ended up there..here is hoping it works again. Lakers look like they will stay between 6-12 for the remainder of the year barring any injuries or trades.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (18-29, 9th Slot on 1/26)
Post by: CelticSooner on January 26, 2018, 10:34:40 PM
Terrible night for the pick. Reaching towel throw status once again.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (18-29, 9th Slot on 1/26)
Post by: trickybilly on January 26, 2018, 10:38:46 PM
Terrible night for the pick. Reaching towel throw status once again.

Yeah. We need Lonzo back
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (18-29, 9th Slot on 1/26)
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on January 26, 2018, 10:39:38 PM
I blame myself.  Its clear that they are too good to be a bottom 5 team.  Shouldn't have tried to fool myself.  Oh well.  At least Tatum is awesome.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (18-29, 9th Slot on 1/26)
Post by: Jiri Welsch on January 26, 2018, 10:58:39 PM
Barring an injury, this is a lost cause!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (18-29, 9th Slot on 1/26)
Post by: GreenEnvy on January 26, 2018, 11:26:08 PM
I blame myself.  Its clear that they are too good to be a bottom 5 team.  Shouldn't have tried to fool myself.  Oh well.  At least Tatum is awesome.

Oxymoron? They are still an awful basketball team with no clear direction. Whether the pick conveys or not, Lakers still suck!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (18-29, 9th Slot on 1/26)
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on January 26, 2018, 11:29:17 PM
I blame myself.  Its clear that they are too good to be a bottom 5 team.  Shouldn't have tried to fool myself.  Oh well.  At least Tatum is awesome.

Oxymoron? They are still an awful basketball team with no clear direction. Whether the pick conveys or not, Lakers still suck!

They are still bad but just not bad enough is what I'm saying.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (18-29, 9th Slot on 1/26)
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 26, 2018, 11:32:00 PM
Not good but far from over.

At least Tatum is awesome.

The SAC pick could be awesome. The 2019 draft is weak talk is just that, for now.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (18-29, 9th Slot on 1/26)
Post by: Rondo9 on January 26, 2018, 11:40:30 PM
Terrible night for the pick. Reaching towel throw status once again.

There's still a lot of season left.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (18-29, 9th Slot on 1/26)
Post by: CelticsElite on January 27, 2018, 12:34:51 AM
Terrible night for the pick. Reaching towel throw status once again.

There's still a lot of season left.
exactly
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (18-29, 9th Slot on 1/26)
Post by: keevsnick on January 27, 2018, 02:11:41 AM
Terrible night for the pick. Reaching towel throw status once again.

There's still a lot of season left.

Which is unfortunate because its wouldn't surprise me if the pick continues to get worse.  Lakers are 8-2 in their last ten, the best in the league and the same as the warriors. Alot of people are relying on them dumping salary to get bad, but Jordan Clarkson is too expensive to dump without giving up an asset which the Lakers won't want to do and there is no reason to give away Randle because they can hold onto his rights in case they strike out this offseason. They dont have any incentive to just cut guys because they want to look good by winning as much as possible to pursue players this offseason. Their schedule is relatively soft the rest of the way (after being very difficult the first half). A bunch of crappy teams are about to start tanking. Honestly I'm at the point where I'm about ready to root for wins so they dont give a 6-9 pick to the 76ers.

On the bright side there is always lottery luck which we are about due for and even if the pick doesnt convey we have Kings 19' pick. Given how bad the kings are and their lack of cap space this summer we will get an excellent pick eitehr way.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (18-29, 9th Slot on 1/26)
Post by: kgwannabe on January 27, 2018, 06:08:27 AM
We should be rooting for the Lakers to win at this point. The likelihood that the pick will convey to Boston has been pretty low and continues to drop. The worst case scenario for the Celtics is that the Lakers pick falls at 6 (or 1 obviously but that won't happen) because then Philly will get a high pick such as Jaren Jackson or Colin Sexton. Despite the Fultz debacle, Philly could well be Boston's biggest competitor in the coming years and I don't want to see them get another outstanding young player. Ideally the Lakers will fall off a cliff, but that seems to be increasingly unlikely. I'd prefer the Lakers to be good, the Kings continue to suck, and then we can either package the Sacramento pick or take another young stud a year later.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (18-29, 9th Slot on 1/26)
Post by: RockinRyA on January 27, 2018, 06:21:55 AM
I blame myself.  Its clear that they are too good to be a bottom 5 team.  Shouldn't have tried to fool myself.  Oh well.  At least Tatum is awesome.

Oxymoron? They are still an awful basketball team with no clear direction. Whether the pick conveys or not, Lakers still suck!

They are still bad but just not bad enough is what I'm saying.

We are missing Lonzo.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (18-29, 9th Slot on 1/26)
Post by: Somebody on January 27, 2018, 08:04:25 AM
Long season left, don't panic. Also the lottery is random, we might 14 Cavs/93 Magic/08 Bulls this lottery.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (18-29, 9th Slot on 1/26)
Post by: jpotter33 on January 27, 2018, 02:22:37 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2753506-mike-conley-to-undergo-season-ending-surgery-on-heel-injury?share=other

Welp, Conley out for year now, too. Looking more and more likely that the pick will be Sacramento’s pick next year.

I wonder what happens with Gasol now.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (18-29, 9th Slot on 1/26)
Post by: Monkhouse on January 27, 2018, 02:25:55 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2753506-mike-conley-to-undergo-season-ending-surgery-on-heel-injury?share=other

Welp, Conley out for year now, too. Looking more and more likely that the pick will be Sacramento’s pick next year.

I wonder what happens with Gasol now.

If they retain Gasol, and keep him in hopes of running for next year, I will be extremely baffled. Gasol/Conley were both the clear cut MVP's of the team, but you're joking if adding another additional year onto Conley or Gasol will fare well for either of them...
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (18-29, 9th Slot on 1/26)
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on January 27, 2018, 02:36:06 PM
The Grizzlies pick could be huge.  May even help us trade up.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (18-29, 9th Slot on 1/26)
Post by: tazzmaniac on January 27, 2018, 02:54:15 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2753506-mike-conley-to-undergo-season-ending-surgery-on-heel-injury?share=other

Welp, Conley out for year now, too. Looking more and more likely that the pick will be Sacramento’s pick next year.

I wonder what happens with Gasol now.

If they retain Gasol, and keep him in hopes of running for next year, I will be extremely baffled. Gasol/Conley were both the clear cut MVP's of the team, but you're joking if adding another additional year onto Conley or Gasol will fare well for either of them...
In their market, the Grizzlies can't afford to tank for a couple years.  Hard too see them getting enough return to justify trading Gasol.  They'll trade Tyreke and give Gasol plenty of rest to optimize their tank this year. 
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (18-29, 9th Slot on 1/26)
Post by: mef730 on January 27, 2018, 03:42:50 PM
Not good but far from over.

At least Tatum is awesome.

The SAC pick could be awesome. The 2019 draft is weak talk is just that, for now.

I've been in the "it ain't gonna convey this year" camp for a while, so I've been trying to come up with a best-case scenario.

I've also heard that 2019 is weak, but look how Bagley moved up. Maybe a couple of others that would have been 2020 will move up if they think that they have a chance to go high.

Mike
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (18-29, 9th Slot on 1/26)
Post by: Monkhouse on January 27, 2018, 03:45:37 PM
Not good but far from over.

At least Tatum is awesome.

The SAC pick could be awesome. The 2019 draft is weak talk is just that, for now.

I've been in the "it ain't gonna convey this year" camp for a while, so I've been trying to come up with a best-case scenario.

I've also heard that 2019 is weak, but look how Bagley moved up. Maybe a couple of others that would have been 2020 will move up if they think that they have a chance to go high.

Mike

Everyone knew that Bagley was a sure-fire top 5 pick... I'm confused about what you mean by your statement?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (18-29, 9th Slot on 1/26)
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 27, 2018, 03:46:45 PM
Not good but far from over.

At least Tatum is awesome.

The SAC pick could be awesome. The 2019 draft is weak talk is just that, for now.

I've been in the "it ain't gonna convey this year" camp for a while, so I've been trying to come up with a best-case scenario.

I've also heard that 2019 is weak, but look how Bagley moved up. Maybe a couple of others that would have been 2020 will move up if they think that they have a chance to go high.

Mike

Everyone knew that Bagley was a sure-fire top 5 pick... I'm confused about what you mean by your statement?

Bagley reclassified. He was originally on track to be a OAD in the 2019 draft.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (18-29, 9th Slot on 1/26)
Post by: Monkhouse on January 27, 2018, 03:50:32 PM
Not good but far from over.

At least Tatum is awesome.

The SAC pick could be awesome. The 2019 draft is weak talk is just that, for now.

I've been in the "it ain't gonna convey this year" camp for a while, so I've been trying to come up with a best-case scenario.

I've also heard that 2019 is weak, but look how Bagley moved up. Maybe a couple of others that would have been 2020 will move up if they think that they have a chance to go high.

Mike

Everyone knew that Bagley was a sure-fire top 5 pick... I'm confused about what you mean by your statement?

Bagley reclassified. He was originally on track to be a OAD in the 2019 draft.

Ah yes, you are correct. I keep forgetting that, TP to you. Shame he didn't stay, but I think Bagley re-classifying, and Ayton/Doncic's potential led Ainge to pull the trigger on the Tatum trade, taking into the account the 2-5 draft protection.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (18-29, 9th Slot on 1/26)
Post by: Phantom255x on January 28, 2018, 12:44:28 PM
Game against a tough Raptors team tonight, but then two against other bottom teams (Orlando, Brooklyn).

If LAL ends up beating both ORL and BKN, I honestly think our chances at this pick would officially be over.  :(

And that's assuming TOR wins tonight, which nowadays is no longer a given...
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (18-29, 9th Slot on 1/26)
Post by: Phantom255x on January 28, 2018, 08:51:35 PM
Lakers Lost.

But so did Phoenix, and after the Kings kept pace with the Spurs, the Spurs (as expected) now pulling away...  :(
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (18-29, 9th Slot on 1/26)
Post by: mr. dee on January 28, 2018, 08:51:51 PM
Raptors won. Still too early to raise the white flag. As long as the Lakers are in the lottery there are chances to get a top 3 pick even if their record are outside top 5 worst.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (18-29, 9th Slot on 1/26)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 28, 2018, 09:19:59 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2753506-mike-conley-to-undergo-season-ending-surgery-on-heel-injury?share=other

Welp, Conley out for year now, too. Looking more and more likely that the pick will be Sacramento’s pick next year.

I wonder what happens with Gasol now.

trade Baynes for him.  ;D
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (18-29, 9th Slot on 1/26)
Post by: rondofan1255 on January 28, 2018, 09:27:10 PM
Lakers actually lost a game for a change!  :P cheers.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (18-29, 9th Slot on 1/26)
Post by: mef730 on January 30, 2018, 11:40:11 AM
Clippers in the hunt for LeBron. Paul George having a love fest in OKC.

What happens if they free up a ton of cap space and can't sign a top free agent next year? Besides us laughing, of course.

Mike
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (18-29, 9th Slot on 1/26)
Post by: ederson on January 30, 2018, 11:51:28 AM
Clippers in the hunt for LeBron. Paul George having a love fest in OKC.

What happens if they free up a ton of cap space and can't sign a top free agent next year? Besides us laughing, of course.

Mike

I am having hard time imagining Lebron rejecting Lakers to go Clippers.... But i will be very very entertaining
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (18-29, 9th Slot on 1/26)
Post by: Surferdad on January 30, 2018, 12:57:33 PM
Raptors won. Still too early to raise the white flag. As long as the Lakers are in the lottery there are chances to get a top 3 pick even if their record are outside top 5 worst.
This. 

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If LAL ends up beating both ORL and BKN, I honestly think our chances at this pick would officially be over.  :(
Nothing is official until the Ping-Pong balls are drawn.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (19-30, 9th Slot on 1/30)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 30, 2018, 01:00:32 PM
Lakers nation banking their whole future on LeFlop saving them .   This would be a HUGE blow to their egos if Clippers stle away Lewhine NEXT hallway down .....LOL .....Clippers having CP3 irritated there fans to no end .

Lakers fans counting on Boogie to sign to put together a super team....that train wrecked.   

laker fan base will crash and burn with no LeFlop or George this summer......Hee hee ..
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (18-29, 9th Slot on 1/26)
Post by: libermaniac on January 30, 2018, 01:05:11 PM
Raptors won. Still too early to raise the white flag. As long as the Lakers are in the lottery there are chances to get a top 3 pick even if their record are outside top 5 worst.
This. 

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If LAL ends up beating both ORL and BKN, I honestly think our chances at this pick would officially be over.  :(
Nothing is official until the Ping-Pong balls are drawn.
One thing that would be official is that we would not be getting 4 or 5.  Only chance if Lakers don't have bottom 5 record is 2 or 3.  So, that's good news, right?  ;)
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (18-29, 9th Slot on 1/26)
Post by: saltlover on January 30, 2018, 01:38:22 PM
Clippers in the hunt for LeBron. Paul George having a love fest in OKC.

What happens if they free up a ton of cap space and can't sign a top free agent next year? Besides us laughing, of course.

Mike

In what world are the Clippers in the hunt for LeBron?  He's itching to play with Tobias Harris?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (18-29, 9th Slot on 1/26)
Post by: mef730 on January 30, 2018, 01:58:14 PM
Clippers in the hunt for LeBron. Paul George having a love fest in OKC.

What happens if they free up a ton of cap space and can't sign a top free agent next year? Besides us laughing, of course.

Mike

In what world are the Clippers in the hunt for LeBron?  He's itching to play with Tobias Harris?

Whether LeBron would play there or not, it was based on this Marc Stein post (among others):

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2756649-marc-stein-says-clippers-clearly-believe-lebron-james-will-consider-signing

Mike
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (18-29, 9th Slot on 1/26)
Post by: saltlover on January 30, 2018, 02:08:17 PM
Clippers in the hunt for LeBron. Paul George having a love fest in OKC.

What happens if they free up a ton of cap space and can't sign a top free agent next year? Besides us laughing, of course.

Mike

In what world are the Clippers in the hunt for LeBron?  He's itching to play with Tobias Harris?

Whether LeBron would play there or not, it was based on this Marc Stein post (among others):

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2756649-marc-stein-says-clippers-clearly-believe-lebron-james-will-consider-signing

Mike

Ah, I guess it's the universe where LeBron teams up with Tobias Harris and Danilo Gallinari... ::)

Also the one where Austin Rivers declines his $12.5 million player option next year to help save his dad's job.  (Although that one is actually possible.)
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (18-29, 9th Slot on 1/26)
Post by: Phantom255x on January 30, 2018, 02:29:56 PM
Clippers in the hunt for LeBron. Paul George having a love fest in OKC.

What happens if they free up a ton of cap space and can't sign a top free agent next year? Besides us laughing, of course.

Mike

In what world are the Clippers in the hunt for LeBron?  He's itching to play with Tobias Harris?

Whether LeBron would play there or not, it was based on this Marc Stein post (among others):

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2756649-marc-stein-says-clippers-clearly-believe-lebron-james-will-consider-signing

Mike

Ah, I guess it's the universe where LeBron teams up with Tobias Harris and Danilo Gallinari... ::)

Also the one where Austin Rivers declines his $12.5 million player option next year to help save his dad's job.  (Although that one is actually possible.)

Is it possible to sign Lebron AND extend DeAndre, or zero chance?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (18-29, 9th Slot on 1/26)
Post by: saltlover on January 30, 2018, 02:36:23 PM
Clippers in the hunt for LeBron. Paul George having a love fest in OKC.

What happens if they free up a ton of cap space and can't sign a top free agent next year? Besides us laughing, of course.

Mike

In what world are the Clippers in the hunt for LeBron?  He's itching to play with Tobias Harris?

Whether LeBron would play there or not, it was based on this Marc Stein post (among others):

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2756649-marc-stein-says-clippers-clearly-believe-lebron-james-will-consider-signing

Mike

Ah, I guess it's the universe where LeBron teams up with Tobias Harris and Danilo Gallinari... ::)

Also the one where Austin Rivers declines his $12.5 million player option next year to help save his dad's job.  (Although that one is actually possible.)

Is it possible to sign Lebron AND extend DeAndre, or zero chance?

It's possible, but it means they'd need a lot of players to opt out and make some trades.  As is, DeAndre could opt out and they could let him walk along with every other free agent, and they'd still be about $15 million short of Lebron money.  To get both would mean Deandre would need to not opt out and they'd then near to clear about another $40 million to have cap room for LeBron.  If DJ opted out they'd need to make $45 million of room. I don't see it.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (18-29, 9th Slot on 1/26)
Post by: nickagneta on January 30, 2018, 02:53:11 PM
Clippers in the hunt for LeBron. Paul George having a love fest in OKC.

What happens if they free up a ton of cap space and can't sign a top free agent next year? Besides us laughing, of course.

Mike

In what world are the Clippers in the hunt for LeBron?  He's itching to play with Tobias Harris?

Whether LeBron would play there or not, it was based on this Marc Stein post (among others):

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2756649-marc-stein-says-clippers-clearly-believe-lebron-james-will-consider-signing

Mike

Ah, I guess it's the universe where LeBron teams up with Tobias Harris and Danilo Gallinari... ::)

Also the one where Austin Rivers declines his $12.5 million player option next year to help save his dad's job.  (Although that one is actually possible.)

Is it possible to sign Lebron AND extend DeAndre, or zero chance?

It's possible, but it means they'd need a lot of players to opt out and make some trades.  As is, DeAndre could opt out and they could let him walk along with every other free agent, and they'd still be about $15 million short of Lebron money.  To get both would mean Deandre would need to not opt out and they'd then near to clear about another $40 million to have cap room for LeBron.  If DJ opted out they'd need to make $45 million of room. I don't see it.
So basically....Lebron to the Clips ain't happening.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (19-30, 9th Slot on 1/30)
Post by: Phantom255x on January 31, 2018, 09:20:28 PM
Magic blowout the Lakers 127-105  ;D
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (19-30, 9th Slot on 1/30)
Post by: CelticsElite on January 31, 2018, 10:02:41 PM
Nice job magic. Hope the magical  go on a win streak
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (19-30, 9th Slot on 1/30)
Post by: Phantom255x on January 31, 2018, 11:52:14 PM
Overall looks like a good night for the pick.

Lakers lost. Magic won. Nets won. One of Suns-Mavs guanranteed a win tonight.

Also there's rumors that the Mavericks REALLY want Randle in a trade. If they add Randle, maybe he helps DAL win games while LAL struggles a bit by losing him?  ;D
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (19-30, 9th Slot on 1/30)
Post by: sdceltsfan on February 01, 2018, 02:06:51 AM
February looks like a mostly "cake-walk" schedule for the Lakers too 😐

6 out of 10 games are against the bad teams we need them to lose to! Two games against OKC who seems to play well against them, as well as Minnesota. And a game against New Orleans who obviously is not trending in the positive direction with Boogie out.

If the Celtics don't get Randle, hopefully Dallas gets him this week, before the Lakers realize they play Dallas twice in mid and end of the month! 😂
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (19-30, 9th Slot on 1/30)
Post by: sdceltsfan on February 01, 2018, 02:10:20 AM
So if they have a crappy February, that will do a lot for the current standings, and hopefully we see them back at 2nd or 3rd worst come March when their schedule becomes more difficult.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (19-30, 9th Slot on 1/30)
Post by: mef730 on February 01, 2018, 02:49:19 PM
At this point, it's unlikely that the Lakers end up in the bottom (top?) five without some big deadline trades or some other exogenous event (e.g., injury).

There are 30-32 games left. Two teams trail in the win column by three games, two trail by four. It may not sound like a lot but, given how few games are left, that's a heck of a hurdle. Even if the Lakers play only .300 basketball from now on (unlikely, given their schedule), they'd still need one of the four behind them to play .400+. Sacramento? No. Dallas? Maybe. Orlando? No. Atlanta? No. Every game that goes by matters more than the previous one.

Meanwhile, there are five teams with either 18 or 19 wins (The Lakers are one of them, with 19.). Memphis has 18, Conley is gone for the year and it looks like Evans is on the way out. Chicago, also at 18, just lost Mirotic. I can't believe Brooklyn is still at 19 (I was sure that they would be bottom-3.), but they are. And I have no idea what to make of Phoenix.

The bottom line is that, in order for the Lakers to end up at the bottom, we're gonna need some pretty significant help at this point.

We had several years of bad luck with the ping pong balls. The past few, though, have been good. Let's hope that the streak keeps up.

Mike
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (19-30, 9th Slot on 1/30)
Post by: bopna on February 01, 2018, 03:25:13 PM
I agree that at this point only the pingpong balls will make that pick to convey.
Lets say they are 6th or 7th worst, how many of those in history have leapedfrogged their way to the top 3 in history?. Too lazy to look up.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (19-30, 9th Slot on 1/30)
Post by: nickagneta on February 01, 2018, 03:33:46 PM
I agree that at this point only the pingpong balls will make that pick to convey.
Lets say they are 6th or 7th worst, how many of those in history have leapedfrogged their way to the top 3 in history?. Too lazy to look up.
Quite a bit more than you would think. Out of the 32 draft lotteries 9 winners of the #1 pick came from 6th worst or worse. That doesn't include the number of low finishes(6th or worse) that ended up with pick 2 or 3
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (19-30, 9th Slot on 1/30)
Post by: Big333223 on February 01, 2018, 06:05:19 PM
I agree that at this point only the pingpong balls will make that pick to convey.
Lets say they are 6th or 7th worst, how many of those in history have leapedfrogged their way to the top 3 in history?. Too lazy to look up.
Quite a bit more than you would think. Out of the 32 draft lotteries 9 winners of the #1 pick came from 6th worst or worse. That doesn't include the number of low finishes(6th or worse) that ended up with pick 2 or 3

Not bad.

And let's not forget that the Lakers are only 2 games better than the 5th worst team (Suns). If they make a salary dump trade before the deadline, they could still easily wind up with the 5th worst record. I'm still willing to be patient.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (19-30, 9th Slot on 1/30)
Post by: Neurotic Guy on February 02, 2018, 09:21:55 PM
Come on Brooklyn... take this game.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (19-30, 9th Slot on 1/30)
Post by: Neurotic Guy on February 02, 2018, 09:28:00 PM
Nets may be letting it slip away... down by 6.  Plenty of time left but trending wrong.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (19-30, 9th Slot on 1/30)
Post by: Neurotic Guy on February 02, 2018, 09:44:18 PM
Tight in Brooklyn.  LAL by 2 with 2:34 left.  Come on Nets.

Nets chance to tie -- last play.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (19-30, 9th Slot on 1/30)
Post by: csfansince60s on February 02, 2018, 09:47:07 PM
Tight in Brooklyn.  LAL by 2 with 2:34 left.  Come on Nets.

TP for updates!

Now bring on home some good news!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (19-30, 9th Slot on 1/30)
Post by: Neurotic Guy on February 02, 2018, 09:49:05 PM
Tight in Brooklyn.  LAL by 2 with 2:34 left.  Come on Nets.

TP for updates!

Now bring on home some good news!

9 seconds left -- Nets ball down 3.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (19-30, 9th Slot on 1/30)
Post by: Neurotic Guy on February 02, 2018, 09:51:08 PM
Not to be.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (19-30, 9th Slot on 1/30)
Post by: csfansince60s on February 02, 2018, 10:21:58 PM
WTH....aren't they going to dump any of their guys for the deadline?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (19-30, 9th Slot on 1/30)
Post by: hpantazo on February 02, 2018, 10:30:16 PM
WTH....aren't they going to dump any of their guys for the deadline?

Magic is still the GM right? Don't expect any logical moves.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (19-30, 9th Slot on 1/30)
Post by: csfansince60s on February 02, 2018, 10:34:35 PM
WTH....aren't they going to dump any of their guys for the deadline?

Magic is still the GM right? Don't expect any logical moves.

TP.....what was I thinking?....or not thinking. ;D
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (19-30, 9th Slot on 1/30)
Post by: tazzmaniac on February 02, 2018, 10:47:20 PM
WTH....aren't they going to dump any of their guys for the deadline?
Who do you expect them to dump and how are they going to do it?  I doubt anyone will take Clarkson without getting some asset and they are going to have to give up the farm to dump Deng.  They already gave up Russell to dump Mozgov.  They don't have their 2018 pick so the 1st pick they can trade is 2020. 
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (19-30, 9th Slot on 1/30)
Post by: CelticsElite on February 03, 2018, 12:54:15 AM
The Mavericks are looking to acquire Julius Randle from the Lakers. Los Angeles is reportedly looking for expiring contracts & draft picks in exchange. (via @LakersNation)

https://twitter.com/LegionHoops/status/959540209800003584
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (19-30, 9th Slot on 1/30)
Post by: Phantom255x on February 04, 2018, 03:43:42 PM
Great. The Freakin' Thunder are having trouble against the Lakers...
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (19-30, 9th Slot on 1/30)
Post by: kozlodoev on February 04, 2018, 03:50:54 PM
Great. The Freakin' Thunder are having trouble against the Lakers...
There are some pretty weak foul calls on the Thunder there right now.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (19-30, 9th Slot on 1/30)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 04, 2018, 04:18:36 PM
Great. The Freakin' Thunder are having trouble against the Lakers...

LA is kinda like Boston was before we landed IT and Irving .  They can hang arou d close , they don't have a star or Closer right now .

I fit looks like Bron won't land there,  George falls though  ,  IT might get a decent Brinks truck load from LA.    They would be pretty decent with a 100% healthy IT .   If he can truely get back like that once again. 
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (19-30, 9th Slot on 1/30)
Post by: Ilikesports17 on February 04, 2018, 04:23:12 PM
Great. The Freakin' Thunder are having trouble against the Lakers...

LA is kinda like Boston was before we landed IT and Irving .  They can hang arou d close , they don't have a star or Closer right now .

I fit looks like Bron won't land there,  George falls though  ,  IT might get a decent Brinks truck load from LA.    They would be pretty decent with a 100% healthy IT .   If he can truely get back like that once again.
Because he didnt get surgery. He will never be 100% healthy. Now, can he manage the injury and the pain to a level where it doesnt have much of an effect on his performance? yes.

That said, even if IT didnt get hurt, it was never likely that he ever matched last years performance again. Can he return to his 15/16 self? thats the question. You wait for him to be 16/17 IT again and you will be disappointed.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (19-30, 9th Slot on 1/30)
Post by: Phantom255x on February 04, 2018, 04:37:28 PM
Wow, the Lakers almost blew that from their inexperience.

But at the end, that's a horrible loss for OKC.

Regardless, I'm really losing confidence in that pick conveying now. Eight teams WORSE than LAL and it's hard to see more than 3 of them leaping the Lakers going forward. And it's been a good stretch for LAL, where they could win some more games soon.  :(
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (19-30, 9th Slot on 1/30)
Post by: hardlyyardley on February 04, 2018, 04:39:05 PM
Lakers will not finish low enough for C's to get the pick....maybe they win lottery and move up to 2 or 3....if not start following the Kings for the next fifteen months
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (19-30, 9th Slot on 1/30)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 04, 2018, 04:39:28 PM
Great. The Freakin' Thunder are having trouble against the Lakers...

LA is kinda like Boston was before we landed IT and Irving .  They can hang arou d close , they don't have a star or Closer right now .

I fit looks like Bron won't land there,  George falls though  ,  IT might get a decent Brinks truck load from LA.    They would be pretty decent with a 100% healthy IT .   If he can truely get back like that once again.
Because he didnt get surgery. He will never be 100% healthy. Now, can he manage the injury and the pain to a level where it doesnt have much of an effect on his performance? yes.

That said, even if IT didnt get hurt, it was never likely that he ever matched last years performance again. Can he return to his 15/16 self? thats the question. You wait for him to be 16/17 IT again and you will be disappointed.

i feel he is playing very cautious ,  his reckless no fear attitude and skills are now subdued.  Im wonderi g too, if he can manage that hip or will the stress of having to perform at a incredible level have him on the operating table with it damaged once again.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (19-30, 9th Slot on 1/30)
Post by: rondofan1255 on February 04, 2018, 04:40:20 PM
Two more games until DL. Hoping Clarkson and Randle are traded!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (19-30, 9th Slot on 1/30)
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on February 04, 2018, 04:44:42 PM
Lol throwing in the towel !
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (19-30, 9th Slot on 1/30)
Post by: PAOBoston on February 04, 2018, 04:47:06 PM
Lol throwing in the towel !
There's always Sacramento's pick next year!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (19-30, 9th Slot on 1/30)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 04, 2018, 04:47:43 PM
Two more games until DL. Hoping Clarkson and Randle are traded!


Magic , Gilbert , Lebron all playing a who blink first ......Lebron holding most of the cards . 


I think only TWO coach can or would want to take on Lebron .   Doc definitely and possibly Pop and only one other GM would crush his coach like a bug by adding Lewhine .....Magic Johnson .

So really Lebron only has a limited place to land .   With Doc or Magic Johnson ...

Im thinking Rockets would be better off ...NOT signing Lebron.....He is a coaches headache and team killer .   They got a good team.....Lebron IMO would upset the applecart.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (19-30, 9th Slot on 1/30)
Post by: rondofan1255 on February 04, 2018, 05:24:59 PM
Lol throwing in the towel !
There's always Sacramento's pick next year!

It's a darn good one if this doesn't work out. Once 2018-2019 college bball kicks off, the 2019 draft hype will begin!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (19-30, 9th Slot on 1/30)
Post by: nickagneta on February 04, 2018, 05:32:26 PM
Lol throwing in the towel !
There's always Sacramento's pick next year!

It's a darn good one if this doesn't work out. Once 2018-2019 college bball kicks off, the 2019 draft hype will begin!
My guess is the 2019 NBA Draft hype will begin here on Celticsblog in less than one hour after an unsuccessful 2018 draft lottery for the Celtics.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (19-30, 9th Slot on 1/30)
Post by: tazzmaniac on February 04, 2018, 05:33:13 PM
Two more games until DL. Hoping Clarkson and Randle are traded!


Magic , Gilbert , Lebron all playing a who blink first ......Lebron holding most of the cards . 


I think only TWO coach can or would want to take on Lebron .   Doc definitely and possibly Pop and only one other GM would crush his coach like a bug by adding Lewhine .....Magic Johnson .

So really Lebron only has a limited place to land .   With Doc or Magic Johnson ...

Im thinking Rockets would be better off ...NOT signing Lebron.....He is a coaches headache and team killer .   They got a good team.....Lebron IMO would upset the applecart.
Coaches and GMs don't own the teams.  If Lebron expresses an interest in going to a team, there is a very good chance the owner says make it happen. 
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (19-30, 9th Slot on 1/30)
Post by: ChillyWilly on February 04, 2018, 07:21:25 PM
Lol throwing in the towel !
There's always Sacramento's pick next year!

It's a darn good one if this doesn't work out. Once 2018-2019 college bball kicks off, the 2019 draft hype will begin!
My guess is the 2019 NBA Draft hype will begin here on Celticsblog in less than one hour after an unsuccessful 2018 draft lottery for the Celtics.

Would you have it any other way?  ;D
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (19-30, 9th Slot on 1/30)
Post by: Phantom255x on February 05, 2018, 07:05:44 PM
Unless the Lakers go on an insane winning streak, it seems they are a distant 9th worst at the moment, so our only real hope is if a few teams below them can leap them in the coming month.

But I do think it's hard to see LAL passing the 10th worst teams and beyond unless they go on a huge winning streak and teams like Utah, New York all start to tank and play horrible.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (19-30, 9th Slot on 1/30)
Post by: keevsnick on February 05, 2018, 07:16:59 PM
Unless the Lakers go on an insane winning streak, it seems they are a distant 9th worst at the moment, so our only real hope is if a few teams below them can leap them in the coming month.

But I do think it's hard to see LAL passing the 10th worst teams and beyond unless they go on a huge winning streak and teams like Utah, New York all start to tank and play horrible.

At the moment they are equally close to the 8th worst Nets as they are to the 12th worst Jazz. hate to say it but at this point I' kind of fine with them winning. We aren't getting up to 5h or 4th worst and I'd rather the 76ers get the 10h or 11th pick then the 6th or 7th. We can always pray for lottery luck.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (21-31, 9th Slot on 2/5)
Post by: Phantom255x on February 06, 2018, 10:38:56 PM
Magic and Hawks win tonight.

Now GO SUNS!!!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (21-31, 9th Slot on 2/5)
Post by: BringToughnessBack on February 06, 2018, 11:02:23 PM
Not going to lie, not loving Nets 1 game back in loss column for worst record 😐 I feel about Lakers as I did earlier in year, small chance in hell we get top 5 pick.

It is going to be a tankathon for many teams to end this year.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (21-31, 9th Slot on 2/5)
Post by: GreenShooter on February 07, 2018, 03:39:56 PM
It's probably safe to say the LAL pick will fall somewhere between 9 and 11. The Knicks just lost the Unicorn for the season so they're about to plummet. Unless lighting strikes lotto luck we're onto 2018-2019 Sacramento Season watch thread. Here's to hoping Philly doesn't get a nice player out of this draft.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (21-31, 9th Slot on 2/5)
Post by: SparzWizard on February 07, 2018, 10:20:54 PM
At this rate, Lakers are trying to make a push at the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (21-31, 9th Slot on 2/5)
Post by: rondofan1255 on February 08, 2018, 12:08:01 PM
h/t fairweatherfan for posting the Woj tweet that Nance and Clarkson are gone to the Cavs

Boom!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (21-31, 9th Slot on 2/5)
Post by: mef730 on February 08, 2018, 12:38:03 PM
I can't decide if this makes the Lakers better or worse for this year...

Mike
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (21-31, 9th Slot on 2/5)
Post by: libermaniac on February 08, 2018, 12:50:16 PM
I can't decide if this makes the Lakers better or worse for this year...

Mike
Ya, me either.  Could make them worse if Isaiah is looking to pad his stats for a payday, but we'll need serious lotto luck for the pick to convey anyway.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (21-31, 9th Slot on 2/5)
Post by: tazzmaniac on February 08, 2018, 12:53:47 PM
I can't decide if this makes the Lakers better or worse for this year...

Mike
Most likely worse.  They've been playing pretty good defense. 
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (21-31, 9th Slot on 2/5)
Post by: BringToughnessBack on February 08, 2018, 12:54:12 PM
I would rather have Ball shooting at end of game and not IT..that is for sure. Gut tells me it makes the Lakers better in close games but they need to be in close games is the caveat.

Lebron has chased 2 stars out of Cleveland in less than a year. Bow down to the King or take a place on the altar.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (21-31, 9th Slot on 2/5)
Post by: CelticsElite on February 08, 2018, 01:15:09 PM
I can't decide if this makes the Lakers better or worse for this year...

Mike
Lakers moved their best 3 pt shooter for the worst defender in the league. ITs numbers this year aren't good


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2017-18   28   CLE     NBA   PG     15    14   27    4.7   12.9   .361   1.5    5.8   .253   3.2    7.1   .449   .418    3.9   4.5   .868    0.5    1.6    2.1    4.5    0.6    0.1    2.7    1.7   14.7
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (21-31, 9th Slot on 2/5)
Post by: Sophomore on February 08, 2018, 01:19:13 PM
I actually wonder whether they buy out IT. Ball is their PG of the future - they're committed. Would they keep IT to play shooting guard? Play him ahead of Ball? I don't see that.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (21-31, 9th Slot on 2/5)
Post by: CelticsElite on February 08, 2018, 01:20:42 PM
I actually wonder whether they buy out IT. Ball is their PG of the future - they're committed. Would they keep IT to play shooting guard? Play him ahead of Ball? I don't see that.
IT expires in 2 months. No need to buy out
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (21-31, 9th Slot on 2/5)
Post by: Sophomore on February 08, 2018, 01:24:00 PM
I actually wonder whether they buy out IT. Ball is their PG of the future - they're committed. Would they keep IT to play shooting guard? Play him ahead of Ball? I don't see that.
IT expires in 2 months. No need to buy out

Yeah, I know they don't need to do it for next year's cap. I'm wondering whether they'll let him go look for a spot on a playoff team and won't want to have a (likely) pretty disgruntled player on the bench.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (21-31, 9th Slot on 2/5)
Post by: saltlover on February 08, 2018, 01:31:22 PM
I actually wonder whether they buy out IT. Ball is their PG of the future - they're committed. Would they keep IT to play shooting guard? Play him ahead of Ball? I don't see that.
IT expires in 2 months. No need to buy out

Yeah, I know they don't need to do it for next year's cap. I'm wondering whether they'll let him go look for a spot on a playoff team and won't want to have a (likely) pretty disgruntled player on the bench.

IT dreamed of being a Laker as a kid.  It’s in both parties best interests to see if he can work it out this year. Who knows, maybe the Lakers continue to go on a run and push towards the playoffs, increasing both sides’ value.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (21-31, 9th Slot on 2/5)
Post by: trickybilly on February 08, 2018, 01:31:54 PM
I actually wonder whether they buy out IT. Ball is their PG of the future - they're committed. Would they keep IT to play shooting guard? Play him ahead of Ball? I don't see that.
IT expires in 2 months. No need to buy out

Yeah, I know they don't need to do it for next year's cap. I'm wondering whether they'll let him go look for a spot on a playoff team and won't want to have a (likely) pretty disgruntled player on the bench.

A buyout? So weird to buyout such a tiny contract. Could be a remarkably rare situation where this happens.. C's have space. Just saying..

On an unrelated note, this deadline has me playing like slapstick hillbilly car chase music in my head

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC6lY-5Hi9g

Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (21-31, 9th Slot on 2/5)
Post by: Who on February 08, 2018, 01:49:18 PM
Really excited to see IT and Ball together. I have felt for a long while now that Ball would be better off next to a quick PG. Now LAL has a player who can be that for him. So I am excited to see this happen. To see how they work together.

I think Luke Walton's offense is a good one for Ball and IT too. It is too PG-centric so they should both have plenty of opportunities to play to their strengths to function well together. More of a shared guard responsibilities with each guy playing to his own strengths.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (21-31, 9th Slot on 2/5)
Post by: knuckleballer on February 08, 2018, 01:51:58 PM
Really excited to see IT and Ball together. I have felt for a long while now that Ball would be better off next to a quick PG. Now LAL has a player who can be that for him. So I am excited to see this happen. To see how they work together.

I think Luke Walton's offense is a good one for Ball and IT too. It is too PG-centric so they should both have plenty of opportunities to play to their strengths to function well together. More of a shared guard responsibilities with each guy playing to his own strengths.

Neither Ball or IT are effective without the ball in their hand.  I'm suddenly much more optimistic that the Lakers pick could convey for us in the next draft.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (21-31, 9th Slot on 2/5)
Post by: OldSchoolDude on February 08, 2018, 01:52:53 PM
Really excited to see IT and Ball together. I have felt for a long while now that Ball would be better off next to a quick PG. Now LAL has a player who can be that for him. So I am excited to see this happen. To see how they work together.

I think Luke Walton's offense is a good one for Ball and IT too. It is too PG-centric so they should both have plenty of opportunities to play to their strengths to function well together. More of a shared guard responsibilities with each guy playing to his own strengths.

It is clear that IT has lost a step.  He is pretty useless now. 
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (21-31, 9th Slot on 2/5)
Post by: rondofan1255 on February 08, 2018, 02:05:55 PM
Lol on ESPN IT's agent said he wants a buyout if he's not a starter.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (21-31, 9th Slot on 2/5)
Post by: CelticSooner on February 09, 2018, 12:39:21 AM
Whole thing flipped when LaVar opened his mouth.

(https://m.popkey.co/7d270b/DQoae.gif)
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (21-31, 9th Slot on 2/5)
Post by: MVPPierceNoJoke on February 09, 2018, 12:58:41 AM
If only IT can destruct the Lakers too. He can net us Kyrie and a top 5 pick. I am really pulling for IT here. Then in the offseason he comes back here healthy for a discount because this is the only franchise to embrace him.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (21-31, 9th Slot on 2/5)
Post by: CelticsElite on February 09, 2018, 01:15:35 AM
If only IT can destruct the Lakers too. He can net us Kyrie and a top 5 pick. I am really pulling for IT here. Then in the offseason he comes back here healthy for a discount because this is the only franchise to embrace him.
i read a lot of cavs fans forums threads. Some cavs fans truly thought that IT and Jae were Celtics in disguise as Trojan horses and that they never embraced being cavs, they never got around to being part of the team. Now they’re both traded off the team. Makes you think if they really were a Trojan horse. Ainge meets behind closed doors with IT before the cavs/Celtics game
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (21-31, 9th Slot on 2/5)
Post by: SparzWizard on February 09, 2018, 01:17:45 AM
If only IT can destruct the Lakers too. He can net us Kyrie and a top 5 pick. I am really pulling for IT here. Then in the offseason he comes back here healthy for a discount because this is the only franchise to embrace him.
i read a lot of cavs fans forums threads. Some cavs fans truly thought that IT and Jae were Celtics in disguise as Trojan horses and that they never embraced being cavs, they never got around to being part of the team. Now they’re both traded off the team. Makes you think if they really were a Trojan horse. Ainge meets behind closed doors with IT before the cavs/Celtics game

I think I've seen this more than once this week relative to Boston sports. Josh McDaniels ruining another franchise. Would be funny if this were true- take out the Cavs and Lakers.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (21-31, 9th Slot on 2/5)
Post by: CelticsElite on February 09, 2018, 01:22:59 AM
If only IT can destruct the Lakers too. He can net us Kyrie and a top 5 pick. I am really pulling for IT here. Then in the offseason he comes back here healthy for a discount because this is the only franchise to embrace him.
i read a lot of cavs fans forums threads. Some cavs fans truly thought that IT and Jae were Celtics in disguise as Trojan horses and that they never embraced being cavs, they never got around to being part of the team. Now they’re both traded off the team. Makes you think if they really were a Trojan horse. Ainge meets behind closed doors with IT before the cavs/Celtics game

I think I've seen this more than once this week relative to Boston sports. Josh McDaniels ruining another franchise. Would be funny if this were true- take out the Cavs and Lakers.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DViWJxZUMAEKFCJ?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (21-31, 9th Slot on 2/5)
Post by: rondofan1255 on February 10, 2018, 10:59:26 PM
The Lakers finally lost again! Definitely going to start rooting for Lakers wins if the gap continues to widen though.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (21-31, 9th Slot on 2/5)
Post by: CelticsElite on February 10, 2018, 11:58:36 PM
Thank you for being a black hole on defense IT. beat by the mavs haha
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (21-31, 9th Slot on 2/5)
Post by: Phantom255x on February 11, 2018, 12:17:35 AM
Thank you for being a black hole on defense IT. beat by the mavs haha

Huh??  ???

Seriously? Isaiah had a great game. He's NOT the reason they lost.

Actually, w/o him, Lakers probably lose by double digits
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (21-31, 9th Slot on 2/5)
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on February 11, 2018, 12:18:50 AM
I’m rooting for them to have the 8th worst record by the time the season is over.  I think that’s reasonable. Plus, it gives us a 7.1% chance of getting the pick.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (21-31, 9th Slot on 2/5)
Post by: JBcat on February 14, 2018, 10:40:38 AM
I’m holding onto the slightest hope for the pick this year.

27 games left for the Lakers.  6 teams exactly 5 games back in the win column, 1 at 4, 1 at 3, with 2 teams tied the the Lakers.  Let’s say the Lakers finish 6 and 21, and 4 of the teams below them finish something like 11 and 16 it will make things interesting. An average of these teams picking up a game every 5 games roughly.  The Lakers have to start playing very bad again though, but their March schedule will get tougher again. 

I know very unlikely but you never know.  I wonder if any of the Lakers expirings like Lopez and Pope will ask for buyouts.  Losing Nance is underrated loss for their front court depth.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (23-32, 11th Slot on 2/14)
Post by: Big333223 on February 15, 2018, 09:57:28 AM
The problem at this point is the tanking going on below the Lakers. There are 7 (!) teams within a game of one another at the bottom of the league. With only 23-26 games remaining it's unlikely the Lakers fall back into that group, even if the loss of Nance and addition of IT totally tanks their defense.

They could still hop into the top 3 via the lottery so there's that.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (23-33, 10th Slot on 2/15)
Post by: CelticsElite on February 15, 2018, 11:27:14 PM
Lakers 0-2 since IT trade
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (23-33, 10th Slot on 2/15)
Post by: SparzWizard on February 15, 2018, 11:28:34 PM
IT7 ruining the flow of that offense.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (23-33, 10th Slot on 2/15)
Post by: liam on February 15, 2018, 11:31:01 PM
Lakers 0-2 since IT trade

I thought it was 0-3...
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (23-33, 10th Slot on 2/15)
Post by: CelticsElite on February 15, 2018, 11:33:02 PM
Lakers 0-2 since IT trade

I thought it was 0-3...
might be. My math is off
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (23-33, 10th Slot on 2/15)
Post by: liam on February 15, 2018, 11:41:25 PM
Lakers 0-2 since IT trade

I thought it was 0-3...
might be. My math is off

He only played a couple of minutes in that Rondo game the only night...
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (23-33, 10th Slot on 2/15)
Post by: Jiri Welsch on February 16, 2018, 12:12:53 AM
They’ll have to go on a major losing streak in order to fall below the multitude of teams with 18 wins presently.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (23-33, 10th Slot on 2/15)
Post by: Dannys Chipotle Guy on February 16, 2018, 02:25:27 AM
Lakers 0-2 since IT trade

I thought it was 0-3...
might be. My math is off

He only played a couple of minutes in that Rondo game the only night...
IT only played 5 minutes and they STILL gave up 139
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (23-33, 10th Slot on 2/15)
Post by: Birdman on February 16, 2018, 05:27:44 AM
I rather have next year pick
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (23-33, 10th Slot on 2/15)
Post by: rollie mass on February 16, 2018, 06:03:06 AM
Last night a disaster for Isaiah his shooting % is Fultz like
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (23-33, 10th Slot on 2/15)
Post by: Green-18 on February 16, 2018, 07:13:52 AM
Last night a disaster for Isaiah his shooting % is Fultz like

It sucks to see him struggle so much.  Hopefully he can string together a nice stretch to Finish out the season in March and April. 

I just looked at current salary cap projections for next year.  As of right now here are the teams that can realistically afford to pay IT:

Brooklyn
Utah
Orlando
Phoenix
Indiana
Atlanta
Sacremento
Dallas
Chicago
Philadelphia
Lakers 

I don't understand why any lottery team would want to sign IT.  Assuming he shows flashes of his old self I believe Indiana could be an interesting fit.  An IT and Oladipo back court would be fun to watch.  Interestingly enough, the Pacers pace and offensive rating are nearly identical to the Celtics from last season.   
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (23-33, 10th Slot on 2/15)
Post by: Roy H. on February 16, 2018, 07:41:01 AM
I rather have next year pick

Not me. I’d much prefer a 2-5 pick in this year’s draft.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (23-33, 10th Slot on 2/15)
Post by: Birdman on February 16, 2018, 08:34:25 AM
I rather have next year pick

Not me. I’d much prefer a 2-5 pick in this year’s draft.
if its 2nd or 3rd pick, yes..other than that I rather have next year. Better players I think
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (21-31, 9th Slot on 2/5)
Post by: mef730 on February 16, 2018, 09:30:14 AM
I’m rooting for them to have the 8th worst record by the time the season is over.  I think that’s reasonable. Plus, it gives us a 7.1% chance of getting the pick.

I think that's a pretty reasonable wish. Top-5 organically is almost impossible at this point, but maybe we can send Lucky to the lottery.

Mike
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (21-31, 9th Slot on 2/5)
Post by: mctyson on February 16, 2018, 05:43:57 PM
I’m rooting for them to have the 8th worst record by the time the season is over.  I think that’s reasonable. Plus, it gives us a 7.1% chance of getting the pick.

I think that's a pretty reasonable wish. Top-5 organically is almost impossible at this point, but maybe we can send Lucky to the lottery.

Mike

I think at this point it guaranteed Sacramento sill suck next year so I am not worried about it.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (21-31, 9th Slot on 2/5)
Post by: libermaniac on February 27, 2018, 07:00:49 PM
I’m rooting for them to have the 8th worst record by the time the season is over.  I think that’s reasonable. Plus, it gives us a 7.1% chance of getting the pick.

I think that's a pretty reasonable wish. Top-5 organically is almost impossible at this point, but maybe we can send Lucky to the lottery.

Mike

That's not reasonable at all.  The 8th worst team is currently the Bulls, with 20 wins.  9th are the Knicks with 24 - without Porzingis don't count on that win total growing much either.  The Lakers are at 26 wins.  10th worst is the best we can hope for, which would be < 2% chance of conveying.  At this point it doesn't matter much - we will either get super lucky or start this up again next year with the Kings pick.

I, for one, really miss having a second favorite team playing (whoever is playing the team who owns our pick).  Next year will be fantastic though ... with Memphis, LAC and Sacto.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (23-34, 10th Slot on 2/16)
Post by: BringToughnessBack on February 27, 2018, 07:15:46 PM
It is actually a blessing perhaps if it does not convey while Sixers end up with a 10 or worse pick this year. If it had conveyed, yes we would have a shot for another star but next year the Kings pick would be for the Sixers and that looks like top 5 crapper. Better we get top 5 next year and Sixers get 10-12 this year. 
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (23-34, 10th Slot on 2/16)
Post by: libermaniac on February 27, 2018, 07:47:50 PM
It is actually a blessing perhaps if it does not convey while Sixers end up with a 10 or worse pick this year. If it had conveyed, yes we would have a shot for another star but next year the Kings pick would be for the Sixers and that looks like top 5 crapper. Better we get top 5 next year and Sixers get 10-12 this year.
But, there doesn't look like any big men at the top next year (unless you count Bol Bol ... who I'd stay the heck away from with his build).  Perhaps with the FBI college scandal, and Bron sounding off, they'll let HS seniors come straight into the 2019 draft, making it a stacked draft by virtue of having twice as many young one or none and done players.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (23-34, 10th Slot on 2/16)
Post by: SparzWizard on March 01, 2018, 10:51:31 PM
Those Lakers are forrealz eh
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (23-34, 10th Slot on 2/16)
Post by: trickybilly on March 01, 2018, 11:39:11 PM
IT unintentionally doing Celtics favors. THe love is still there..
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (21-31, 9th Slot on 2/5)
Post by: trickybilly on March 01, 2018, 11:39:44 PM
Really excited to see IT and Ball together. I have felt for a long while now that Ball would be better off next to a quick PG. Now LAL has a player who can be that for him. So I am excited to see this happen. To see how they work together.

I think Luke Walton's offense is a good one for Ball and IT too. It is too PG-centric so they should both have plenty of opportunities to play to their strengths to function well together. More of a shared guard responsibilities with each guy playing to his own strengths.

It is clear that IT has lost a step.  He is pretty useless now.

Man, that post aged quickly
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (23-34, 10th Slot on 2/16)
Post by: nickagneta on March 02, 2018, 01:21:24 AM
Pretty clear this year we are praying and hpoing for the lottery gods to give us pick 2 or 3 this year.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (23-34, 10th Slot on 2/16)
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on March 02, 2018, 01:41:23 AM
Happy for Isaiah Thomas, in spite of the Lakers' recent success with him on board.

He seems to be fitting in well and is being given TIME to heal and recuperate properly.

I wish him the best and will NEVER forget what he did for BOS.

(http://i.cdn.turner.com/drp/nba/celtics/sites/default/files/styles/story_main_photo/public/151007thomas.jpg?itok=k6xPQLbE)

Thanks IT.

Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (23-34, 10th Slot on 2/16)
Post by: JSD on March 02, 2018, 01:56:34 AM
I'm actually rooting for the Lakers at this point. Hoping they make the playoffs and that pick falls out of the lottery.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (23-34, 10th Slot on 2/16)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on March 02, 2018, 06:48:48 AM
IT is smiling and playing IT ball again ! .   Amazing how seperating from Lebron leash suddenly changed his attitude and fixed his game.

Bosh warned all good people stay away .....this does not i clude Wade who is huge donkey s rear to begin with.

Lakers are kinda fun to watch with IT . He is doing for them now what he did early on for Boston .

Im sure he hopes Lebron does not reappaear on the Lakers next year.

IT s found new home.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (27-34, 10th Slot on 3/2)
Post by: smokeablount on March 02, 2018, 08:54:45 AM
I wish I didn’t call it, but I did. No way the Lakers pick conveys.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (23-34, 10th Slot on 2/16)
Post by: Surferdad on March 02, 2018, 08:54:49 AM
It is actually a blessing perhaps if it does not convey while Sixers end up with a 10 or worse pick this year. If it had conveyed, yes we would have a shot for another star but next year the Kings pick would be for the Sixers and that looks like top 5 crapper. Better we get top 5 next year and Sixers get 10-12 this year.
Good point.  I hadn't really considered this b/c the top-end of the 2018 class looks to be very, very special.  I would be happy with any of the top 5-7 picks.  Is the 2019 draft class this good?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (27-34, 10th Slot on 3/2)
Post by: Adelaide Celt on March 02, 2018, 09:32:40 AM
It sucks to see them being slightly better than mediocre.

Still, just remember they were one pick away from getting Towns and Simmons. That makes me feel a little better.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (27-34, 10th Slot on 3/2)
Post by: Phantom255x on March 02, 2018, 11:33:13 AM
This thread has become depressing nowadays.

Hope someone starts a 2018-2019 Kings Watch thread soon!  :laugh:
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (27-34, 10th Slot on 3/2)
Post by: rondofan1255 on March 04, 2018, 12:08:18 AM
On the bright side, they're continuing to win now that Bottom 5 record is out of the question. Currently 11th worst, could peak at 12th if Detroit continues to lose.  :)
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (27-34, 10th Slot on 3/2)
Post by: Redz on March 04, 2018, 12:14:55 AM
This thread has become depressing nowadays.

Hope someone starts a 2018-2019 Kings Watch thread soon!  :laugh:

There's always hope for the random low odds upgrade in the lottery still I guess.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (27-34, 10th Slot on 3/2)
Post by: gouki88 on March 04, 2018, 01:09:35 AM
This thread has become depressing nowadays.

Hope someone starts a 2018-2019 Kings Watch thread soon!  :laugh:
107 pages down the drain  :P

Bring on Bol
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (27-34, 10th Slot on 3/2)
Post by: Csfan1984 on March 04, 2018, 04:45:40 AM
I over estimated the league this season. The tanking is strong this year and that is even without Philly leading the tank battalion.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (27-34, 10th Slot on 3/2)
Post by: slightly biased bias fan on March 04, 2018, 04:58:12 AM
This thread has become depressing nowadays.

Hope someone starts a 2018-2019 Kings Watch thread soon!  :laugh:
107 pages down the drain  :P

Bring on Bol

2019 Draft looks bad, not 2013 bad but not too far off.

I am not a fan of R.J Barrett or Bol Bol, Reddish looks promising but not 1st pick material and Zion looks like a boom or bust guy to me, could easily be Larry Johnson or more athletic Brandon Bass. I'd say unless they allow high school students to declare for the 19 draft, we will flip the pick.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (27-34, 10th Slot on 3/2)
Post by: CelticsElite on March 04, 2018, 05:11:09 AM
Trade down for shareef o’Neal .
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (27-34, 10th Slot on 3/2)
Post by: slightly biased bias fan on March 04, 2018, 05:24:50 AM
Trade down for shareef o’Neal .

I'm sorry but Shareef O’Neal didn't even make the McDonalds All-American game, he may improve but you wouldn't have even heard of him if it wasn't for nepotism.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (27-34, 10th Slot on 3/2)
Post by: gouki88 on March 04, 2018, 06:31:28 AM
This thread has become depressing nowadays.

Hope someone starts a 2018-2019 Kings Watch thread soon!  :laugh:
107 pages down the drain  :P

Bring on Bol

2019 Draft looks bad, not 2013 bad but not too far off.

I am not a fan of R.J Barrett or Bol Bol, Reddish looks promising but not 1st pick material and Zion looks like a boom or bust guy to me, could easily be Larry Johnson or more athletic Brandon Bass. I'd say unless they allow high school students to declare for the 19 draft, we will flip the pick.
I think Bol Bol has Kristaps like potential, but I also fear he’ll be injury prone - as Kristaps seems to be.

I would not be opposed to trading the pick at all
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (27-34, 10th Slot on 3/2)
Post by: libermaniac on March 26, 2018, 03:01:58 PM
For those of you still following this, "big" game tonight in terms of impact on odds of pick conveying.  Lakers at Pistons ... could impact the 10th-12th position, which changes odds of pick conveying from 2.9% to 1.8%.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (27-34, 10th Slot on 3/2)
Post by: smokeablount on March 26, 2018, 04:39:47 PM
For those of you still following this, "big" game tonight in terms of impact on odds of pick conveying.  Lakers at Pistons ... could impact the 10th-12th position, which changes odds of pick conveying from 2.9% to 1.8%.

SO YOU’RE SAYING THERE’S A CHANCE!!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (27-34, 10th Slot on 3/2)
Post by: libermaniac on April 10, 2018, 08:53:10 PM
Charlotte about to beat Indy to guarantee the Lakers will be no better than 10th worst, and that's if the Lakers beat Houston and the Clippers.

10th worst record = 2.9% chance of pick conveying
Tied for 10th = 2.55% chance.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (27-34, 10th Slot on 3/2)
Post by: PAOBoston on April 10, 2018, 09:56:41 PM
Delete
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (27-34, 10th Slot on 3/2)
Post by: SparzWizard on April 10, 2018, 10:45:48 PM
Imagine the Celtics get a first-round exit but in exchange get the Lakers' 2-5 pick. Oh man  8)
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (27-34, 10th Slot on 3/2)
Post by: MattyIce on April 10, 2018, 10:50:33 PM
Imagine the Celtics get a first-round exit but in exchange get the Lakers' 2-5 pick. Oh man  8)

2-3
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (27-34, 10th Slot on 3/2)
Post by: SparzWizard on April 10, 2018, 10:54:36 PM
Imagine the Celtics get a first-round exit but in exchange get the Lakers' 2-5 pick. Oh man  8)

2-3

Well, even better! One of Doncic/Ayton/Bagley/Porter/Bamba will be the dream.  8)
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (27-34, 10th Slot on 3/2)
Post by: bknova on April 11, 2018, 01:33:56 PM
Imagine the Celtics get a first-round exit but in exchange get the Lakers' 2-5 pick. Oh man  8)

2-3

Well, even better! One of Doncic/Ayton/Bagley/Porter/Bamba will be the dream.  8)

His point is the only way the pick conveys is if its 2 or 3. The Lakers cannot, in any way, get the 4th or 5th pick. 
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (27-34, 10th Slot on 3/2)
Post by: CelticsElite on April 12, 2018, 02:15:12 AM
10th slot

Something like 7.1% to convey 2-3
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (27-34, 10th Slot on 3/2)
Post by: SparzWizard on April 12, 2018, 02:19:27 AM
Imagine the Celtics get a first-round exit but in exchange get the Lakers' 2-5 pick. Oh man  8)

2-3

Well, even better! One of Doncic/Ayton/Bagley/Porter/Bamba will be the dream.  8)

His point is the only way the pick conveys is if its 2 or 3. The Lakers cannot, in any way, get the 4th or 5th pick.

Oh yes I was aware of that point. Basically of the five studded draft players listed 3-4 of them may still be up there for grabs. More options. Definitely better than pick #4 or #5.

But ultimately it's a long shot  :(
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (27-34, 10th Slot on 3/2)
Post by: Ilikesports17 on April 12, 2018, 04:19:35 AM
10th slot

Something like 7.1% to convey 2-3
Nope.

2.9% chance to convey
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (27-34, 10th Slot on 3/2)
Post by: Ilikesports17 on April 12, 2018, 04:20:04 AM
[double post]
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (27-34, 10th Slot on 3/2)
Post by: CelticsElite on May 01, 2018, 04:52:40 PM
If anyone wants a good laugh, laker fans are mad at our success: http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?t=184689&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=5475

“levon wrote:
The Celtics will get lapped once they face real superstars like Lebron or the guys out West. Stars win you titles ultimately, with very few short-lived exceptions. And they're gonna go 6 or 7 with Philly and I'm still taking Philly.”

Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (27-34, 10th Slot on 3/2)
Post by: hpantazo on May 01, 2018, 04:58:50 PM
If anyone wants a good laugh, laker fans are mad at our success: http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?t=184689&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=5475

“levon wrote:
The Celtics will get lapped once they face real superstars like Lebron or the guys out West. Stars win you titles ultimately, with very few short-lived exceptions. And they're gonna go 6 or 7 with Philly and I'm still taking Philly.”


Did they forget we're playing without our two all-stars?
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (27-34, 10th Slot on 3/2)
Post by: TheisTheisBaby on May 01, 2018, 05:13:37 PM
For them to say we'd get "lapped" in the West shows their ultimate jealousy. 
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (27-34, 10th Slot on 3/2)
Post by: mef730 on May 01, 2018, 06:40:48 PM
If anyone wants a good laugh, laker fans are mad at our success: http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?t=184689&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=5475

“levon wrote:
The Celtics will get lapped once they face real superstars like Lebron or the guys out West. Stars win you titles ultimately, with very few short-lived exceptions. And they're gonna go 6 or 7 with Philly and I'm still taking Philly.”


Did they forget we're playing without our two all-stars?

Or that the Lakers were the 10th worst team in the NBA?

I'll take getting "lapped" like that every year.

Mike
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (27-34, 10th Slot on 3/2)
Post by: libermaniac on May 08, 2018, 07:10:49 PM
One week until we find out if our 2.9% chance at pay dirt hits!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (27-34, 10th Slot on 3/2)
Post by: gouki88 on May 08, 2018, 07:18:32 PM
One week until we find out if our 2.9% chance at pay dirt hits!
I can't fathom the mayhem this board would be in if it did
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (27-34, 10th Slot on 3/2)
Post by: libermaniac on May 08, 2018, 07:28:37 PM
One week until we find out if our 2.9% chance at pay dirt hits!
I can't fathom the mayhem this board would be in if it did
True, but I'd say they are much better odds than the odds of Danny Ainge trading two over-the-hill ex-superstars for 4 future 1st round picks - 2 of which become budding all-stars and one that was used to get Kryie.  ;D
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (27-34, 10th Slot on 3/2)
Post by: rondofan1255 on May 15, 2018, 05:13:48 PM
Three hours until the grand finale!
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (27-34, 10th Slot on 3/2)
Post by: Big333223 on May 16, 2018, 09:06:20 AM
10th.

As long as Sacramento doesn't have a miraculous turnaround, the protections Ainge got on this Lakers pick could be one more genius move by him and the team.
Title: Re: 2017-18 Lakers Season Watch Thread (27-34, 10th Slot on 3/2)
Post by: Fafnir on May 16, 2018, 09:11:41 AM
10th.

As long as Sacramento doesn't have a miraculous turnaround, the protections Ainge got on this Lakers pick could be one more genius move by him and the team.
As long as the pick doesn't win the lottery its going to be a solid pick, especially if you believe Boston sources that they were going to take Tatum at #1.

A lottery pick just by leveraging other teams misread of your draft intentions is massive. Most of the time in similar moves teams have gotten less, 76ers and Wolves pulled similar tricks that I can recall.