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Re: Mchale vs Harden
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2017, 07:41:04 AM »

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I'm so tired of athletes (people everywhere do this but for some reason I see it a lot with athletes) pulling this crap:

Harden, talking to a reporter: "He's a clown, honestly."

Harden, 2 seconds later:  "I don't say things to somebody behind their back or tell them one thing or go on air and say another thing."

If he feels like he has to stand up for himself, that's fine. But calling McHale a name to the press and then claiming you're not the kind of person to talk about somebody "on air" makes him look foolish, to me.
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Re: Mchale vs Harden
« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2017, 12:51:44 PM »

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Sounds like McHale struck a chord with Harden and he got defensive.

That is the only way you can associate Harden with defense is being "defensive"  ;)

Re: Mchale vs Harden
« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2017, 01:20:03 AM »

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"Calling me names is not going to change my opinion as to what I saw when I was there," McHale said Friday on TNT. "It's hard to have credibility if you don't play defense."

McHale remained complimentary of Harden's basketball skills while explaining what he considers to be leadership.

"[Harden] is a hell of a basketball player, he really is," McHale said. "And to James' credit, I will say this: He organizes guys in the summer. He does a lot of stuff. He does a lot of those things. When I was talking more about leadership is ... it's a tie game at half. It's a playoff game, or you're playing another team that's tough and rumble, and they're going to get after you. And all of a sudden, with four minutes to go in the third, you're down nine. They're getting every loose ball, they're getting every rebound, they're doing all this stuff. It's not about skill at that point. It's about will. I gotta impose my will on you. James at that point gets a little bit ... that's not his personality. Chris Paul, in turn, will get in your face, go nose-to-nose with you, say, 'Hey, let's go,' and I think that's what you need. Draymond Green does a great job, whenever you need a spark. He's out there going jawing with somebody."

Re: Mchale vs Harden
« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2017, 01:50:29 AM »

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"Calling me names is not going to change my opinion as to what I saw when I was there," McHale said Friday on TNT. "It's hard to have credibility if you don't play defense."

McHale remained complimentary of Harden's basketball skills while explaining what he considers to be leadership.

"[Harden] is a hell of a basketball player, he really is," McHale said. "And to James' credit, I will say this: He organizes guys in the summer. He does a lot of stuff. He does a lot of those things. When I was talking more about leadership is ... it's a tie game at half. It's a playoff game, or you're playing another team that's tough and rumble, and they're going to get after you. And all of a sudden, with four minutes to go in the third, you're down nine. They're getting every loose ball, they're getting every rebound, they're doing all this stuff. It's not about skill at that point. It's about will. I gotta impose my will on you. James at that point gets a little bit ... that's not his personality. Chris Paul, in turn, will get in your face, go nose-to-nose with you, say, 'Hey, let's go,' and I think that's what you need. Draymond Green does a great job, whenever you need a spark. He's out there going jawing with somebody."
Agree 100% with McHale.

Harden has time and again failed to display leadership in crucial moments. Think McHale knows a thing or two about leadership, from his playing days, playing with Bird, and his relationship with McHale
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Re: Mchale vs Harden
« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2017, 02:43:17 AM »

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Re: Mchale vs Harden
« Reply #20 on: October 14, 2017, 03:27:56 AM »

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@5:08 maybe this is something Kevin was tbinking about.
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Re: Mchale vs Harden
« Reply #21 on: October 14, 2017, 04:17:33 AM »

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I'm so tired of athletes (people everywhere do this but for some reason I see it a lot with athletes) pulling this crap:

Harden, talking to a reporter: "He's a clown, honestly."

Harden, 2 seconds later:  "I don't say things to somebody behind their back or tell them one thing or go on air and say another thing."

If he feels like he has to stand up for himself, that's fine. But calling McHale a name to the press and then claiming you're not the kind of person to talk about somebody "on air" makes him look foolish, to me.
But he never claims not to talk about people on air. He just claims that what he says on air is gonna be consistent with what he says to your face.

We aren't there for his convos with mchale so I think it's unfair to assume he's contradicting himself
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Re: Mchale vs Harden
« Reply #22 on: October 14, 2017, 04:25:20 AM »

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Artest (who is a true tough dude) hit him there cause he knew he was an inferior basketball player.
This is a huge reach and total speculation.
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Re: Mchale vs Harden
« Reply #23 on: October 14, 2017, 05:15:42 AM »

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Artest (who is a true tough dude) hit him there cause he knew he was an inferior basketball player.
This is a huge reach and total speculation.
Reach?
At that time, 2011-12 season, Harden was the 6th man of the year, 18-4-4 with 10% better true shooting than MWP and his 8 ppg. MWP was basicaly out of the league 2 years after that. How is it a speculation to say that he frustated him to a point where he hit him in the head? Usually, almost always, inferior players try to kick out superior ones by muscleling them up and that is the case here too. Exp: Brickowski/Rodman 1996 finals
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Re: Mchale vs Harden
« Reply #24 on: October 14, 2017, 06:27:08 AM »

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Artest (who is a true tough dude) hit him there cause he knew he was an inferior basketball player.
This is a huge reach and total speculation.
Reach?
At that time, 2011-12 season, Harden was the 6th man of the year, 18-4-4 with 10% better true shooting than MWP and his 8 ppg. MWP was basicaly out of the league 2 years after that. How is it a speculation to say that he frustated him to a point where he hit him in the head? Usually, almost always, inferior players try to kick out superior ones by muscleling them up and that is the case here too. Exp: Brickowski/Rodman 1996 finals
How is it speculation?

How is it not speculation? It's like textbook speculation.

You have 0 insight into the actual motivations of mwp. You know he was old, bad and losing to a young good winning team. Using that info to try to determine a motive is textbook speculation.
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Re: Mchale vs Harden
« Reply #25 on: October 14, 2017, 08:33:52 AM »

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Artest (who is a true tough dude) hit him there cause he knew he was an inferior basketball player.
This is a huge reach and total speculation.
Reach?
At that time, 2011-12 season, Harden was the 6th man of the year, 18-4-4 with 10% better true shooting than MWP and his 8 ppg. MWP was basicaly out of the league 2 years after that. How is it a speculation to say that he frustated him to a point where he hit him in the head? Usually, almost always, inferior players try to kick out superior ones by muscleling them up and that is the case here too. Exp: Brickowski/Rodman 1996 finals
How is it speculation?

How is it not speculation? It's like textbook speculation.

You have 0 insight into the actual motivations of mwp. You know he was old, bad and losing to a young good winning team. Using that info to try to determine a motive is textbook speculation.
I don't like going in the reply loophole.
Would MWP elbow him if he was a 12th man?
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Re: Mchale vs Harden
« Reply #26 on: October 14, 2017, 09:52:21 AM »

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McHale could've expressed himself a bit more softly, complimenting CP's natural leadership, in the context of relieving the burden on Harden, without taking the next step and saying Harden isn't a leader or is incapable of leading. I agree with all of McHale's points, but he didn't have to make them.

As his coach, McHale was likely pumping him up to lead, which may infuriate Harden all the more now (hearing the claim he is incapable by his play).

Re: Mchale vs Harden
« Reply #27 on: October 14, 2017, 02:39:23 PM »

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Artest (who is a true tough dude) hit him there cause he knew he was an inferior basketball player.
This is a huge reach and total speculation.
Reach?
At that time, 2011-12 season, Harden was the 6th man of the year, 18-4-4 with 10% better true shooting than MWP and his 8 ppg. MWP was basicaly out of the league 2 years after that. How is it a speculation to say that he frustated him to a point where he hit him in the head? Usually, almost always, inferior players try to kick out superior ones by muscleling them up and that is the case here too. Exp: Brickowski/Rodman 1996 finals
How is it speculation?

How is it not speculation? It's like textbook speculation.

You have 0 insight into the actual motivations of mwp. You know he was old, bad and losing to a young good winning team. Using that info to try to determine a motive is textbook speculation.
I don't like going in the reply loophole.
Would MWP elbow him if he was a 12th man?
I dont know. You dont know.

Trying to guess is called speculation.
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Re: Mchale vs Harden
« Reply #28 on: October 14, 2017, 02:46:20 PM »

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I don't get why McHale started this whole thing. What was the impetus to drop loaded comments on Harden?

I would understand if McHale stated that Harden needed to improve his defense to become a better leader. Instead, he stated that Harden isn't a leader b/c of his defensive deficiencies. I know its a small point, but McHale comes off as someone trying to dig at Harden, vs. telling him what he has to do to improve.

McHale comes off as someone that was burned by Harden. Given McHale's lack of success as a non-player involved in the NBA, one could say that he is the one lacking leadership. Insulting a previous employee to the media doesn't scream of leadership, at least in my eyes.

Re: Mchale vs Harden
« Reply #29 on: October 14, 2017, 02:58:16 PM »

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I'm so tired of athletes (people everywhere do this but for some reason I see it a lot with athletes) pulling this crap:

Harden, talking to a reporter: "He's a clown, honestly."

Harden, 2 seconds later:  "I don't say things to somebody behind their back or tell them one thing or go on air and say another thing."

If he feels like he has to stand up for himself, that's fine. But calling McHale a name to the press and then claiming you're not the kind of person to talk about somebody "on air" makes him look foolish, to me.
But he never claims not to talk about people on air. He just claims that what he says on air is gonna be consistent with what he says to your face.

We aren't there for his convos with mchale so I think it's unfair to assume he's contradicting himself
I guess we don't know for sure but it seems unlikely that Harden called McHale a clown to his face.

And either way, it's still hypocritical to complain about McHale talking about Harden to the press (which is his job, actually) and then call McHale names to the press.
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