Kawhi Leonard (Merged Threads)

[LarBrd33]

I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade:   Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi.   Gonna be tough to beat that.

Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.

OOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen?  That's intriguing.

Kyrie for Kawhi.  Brown for Fultz.  Send it in.

How many minutes did "elite prospect" Futz play in the 1st round? How about against us?

It's hard to get a real rise out of Celtics fans when you don't have much substance.

19 year old Fult per-36:  14.2 points, 7.5 assists, 6.1 rebounds, 1.7 steals
19 year old Brown per-36:  0 points, 0 assists, 0 rebounds, 0 steals

Brown didn't enter the league until he was 20 and put up averages of 6.6 points, 2.8 rebounds, 0.8 assists, 0.4 steals... and he averaged 12 minutes in the playoffs with multiple DNPs.

How confident are you that Fultz next year (when he's the same age as Brown's rookie season) will be just as forgettable? 

How about in two seasons when Fultz is the same age as Brown this year... in which Brown put up numbers nearly identical to 2nd year Michael Beasley and just a hair below 2nd year Jeff Green?

I'm a fan of Brown.  Most likely he peaks out as a fringe star.  Fultz had a very bizarre rookie season, but it's too early to give up on him. 

Neither team would trade Fultz for Brown so it's a moot point.   Boston might move Brown in a package for Kawhi, but it would be expensive and it's not really possible currently given our salaries.  If Fultz + Convington + #10 is on the table this week, it's gonna be tough to beat it.

Thanks for the laugh LaBrd33. I missed your intuitive posts and excellent writing, but your 76ers fanboyism? Absolutely not.

I like that you guys consider the act of not giving up on a 19 year old Markelle Fultz "76er fanboyism" when this time last year every [dang] one of you was losing your minds over giving up the Fultz pick to trade down to #3.  I was totally on board with trading down.  I trust Ainge.  Go back 1 year ago and you'll see a bunch of suicidal Celtic fans arguing with me when I claimed I genuinely believed Boston wouldn't have done the deal unless they honestly felt Tatum was equal/better than Fultz/Ball.

His shot is straight-up broken and that's a massive problem.  He's still an elite prospect.

[footey]

Pop should trade Kawhi to Sacramento just to be petty

No!!!

[Eddie20]

I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade:   Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi.   Gonna be tough to beat that.

Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.

OOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen?  That's intriguing.

Kyrie for Kawhi.  Brown for Fultz.  Send it in.

How many minutes did "elite prospect" Futz play in the 1st round? How about against us?

It's hard to get a real rise out of Celtics fans when you don't have much substance.

19 year old Fult per-36:  14.2 points, 7.5 assists, 6.1 rebounds, 1.7 steals
19 year old Brown per-36:  0 points, 0 assists, 0 rebounds, 0 steals

Brown didn't enter the league until he was 20 and put up averages of 6.6 points, 2.8 rebounds, 0.8 assists, 0.4 steals... and he averaged 12 minutes in the playoffs with multiple DNPs.

How confident are you that Fultz next year (when he's the same age as Brown's rookie season) will be just as forgettable? 

How about in two seasons when Fultz is the same age as Brown this year... in which Brown put up numbers nearly identical to 2nd year Michael Beasley and just a hair below 2nd year Jeff Green?

I'm a fan of Brown.  Most likely he peaks out as a fringe star.  Fultz had a very bizarre rookie season, but it's too early to give up on him. 

Neither team would trade Fultz for Brown so it's a moot point.   Boston might move Brown in a package for Kawhi, but it would be expensive and it's not really possible currently given our salaries.  If Fultz + Convington + #10 is on the table this week, it's gonna be tough to beat it.

You've really lost your fastball, man. Are you seriously bringing up Jaylen's stats as zero's because he wasn't even in the league?

During the 2017 playoffs Brown was 20 yeard old, same age as Fultz was during the 2018 playoffs. So let's compare numbers:

             Total Minutes     PPG    RPG   APG  SPG  BPG  FG%  FT%  3PT%
Brown        215               5.0     2.1    0.8   0.4    0.1   47.9  66.7  21.7
Fultz           23                1.7     1.0    1.7   0.7    0.0   14.3  75.0  N/A (shocked...he didn't take a 3)

So one 20 year old was trusted to get a good amount of minutes, the other was not. In fact, he was so scared of the moment that his coach had to pull him from the rotation in the Miami series, and instead went with TJ the little engine that could.

[Monkhouse]

I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade:   Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi.   Gonna be tough to beat that.

Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.

OOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen?  That's intriguing.

Kyrie for Kawhi.  Brown for Fultz.  Send it in.

How many minutes did "elite prospect" Futz play in the 1st round? How about against us?

It's hard to get a real rise out of Celtics fans when you don't have much substance.

19 year old Fult per-36:  14.2 points, 7.5 assists, 6.1 rebounds, 1.7 steals
19 year old Brown per-36:  0 points, 0 assists, 0 rebounds, 0 steals

Brown didn't enter the league until he was 20 and put up averages of 6.6 points, 2.8 rebounds, 0.8 assists, 0.4 steals... and he averaged 12 minutes in the playoffs with multiple DNPs.

How confident are you that Fultz next year (when he's the same age as Brown's rookie season) will be just as forgettable? 

How about in two seasons when Fultz is the same age as Brown this year... in which Brown put up numbers nearly identical to 2nd year Michael Beasley and just a hair below 2nd year Jeff Green?

I'm a fan of Brown.  Most likely he peaks out as a fringe star.  Fultz had a very bizarre rookie season, but it's too early to give up on him. 

Neither team would trade Fultz for Brown so it's a moot point.   Boston might move Brown in a package for Kawhi, but it would be expensive and it's not really possible currently given our salaries.  If Fultz + Convington + #10 is on the table this week, it's gonna be tough to beat it.

Thanks for the laugh LaBrd33. I missed your intuitive posts and excellent writing, but your 76ers fanboyism? Absolutely not.

I like that you guys consider the act of not giving up on a 19 year old Markelle Fultz "76er fanboyism" when this time last year every [dang] one of you was losing your minds over giving up the Fultz pick to trade down to #3.  I was totally on board with trading down.  I trust Ainge.  Go back 1 year ago and you'll see a bunch of suicidal Celtic fans arguing with me when I claimed I genuinely believed Boston wouldn't have done the deal unless they honestly felt Tatum was equal/better than Fultz/Ball.

His shot is straight-up broken and that's a massive problem.  He's still an elite prospect.

What does my comment have to do with the above? My point is Brown is a better prospect than Fultz right now. Ask any GM who they would take.... A PG/SG combo guard that lacks a shot in today's NBA is like bringing in Roy Hibbert in today's NBA.

[RodyTur10]

I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade:   Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi.   Gonna be tough to beat that.

Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.

OOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen?  That's intriguing.

Kyrie for Kawhi.  Brown for Fultz.  Send it in.

How many minutes did "elite prospect" Futz play in the 1st round? How about against us?

It's hard to get a real rise out of Celtics fans when you don't have much substance.

19 year old Fult per-36:  14.2 points, 7.5 assists, 6.1 rebounds, 1.7 steals
19 year old Brown per-36:  0 points, 0 assists, 0 rebounds, 0 steals

Brown didn't enter the league until he was 20 and put up averages of 6.6 points, 2.8 rebounds, 0.8 assists, 0.4 steals... and he averaged 12 minutes in the playoffs with multiple DNPs.

How confident are you that Fultz next year (when he's the same age as Brown's rookie season) will be just as forgettable? 

How about in two seasons when Fultz is the same age as Brown this year... in which Brown put up numbers nearly identical to 2nd year Michael Beasley and just a hair below 2nd year Jeff Green?

I'm a fan of Brown.  Most likely he peaks out as a fringe star.  Fultz had a very bizarre rookie season, but it's too early to give up on him. 

Neither team would trade Fultz for Brown so it's a moot point.   Boston might move Brown in a package for Kawhi, but it would be expensive and it's not really possible currently given our salaries.  If Fultz + Convington + #10 is on the table this week, it's gonna be tough to beat it.

Thanks for the laugh LaBrd33. I missed your intuitive posts and excellent writing, but your 76ers fanboyism? Absolutely not.

I like that you guys consider the act of not giving up on a 19 year old Markelle Fultz "76er fanboyism" when this time last year every [dang] one of you was losing your minds over giving up the Fultz pick to trade down to #3.  I was totally on board with trading down.  I trust Ainge.  Go back 1 year ago and you'll see a bunch of suicidal Celtic fans arguing with me when I claimed I genuinely believed Boston wouldn't have done the deal unless they honestly felt Tatum was equal/better than Fultz/Ball.

His shot is straight-up broken and that's a massive problem.  He's still an elite prospect.

What does my comment have to do with the above? My point is Brown is a better prospect than Fultz right now. Ask any GM who they would take.... A PG/SG combo guard that lacks a shot in today's NBA is like bringing in Roy Hibbert in today's NBA.

Who's Roy Hibbert?

[celticsclay]

I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade:   Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi.   Gonna be tough to beat that.

Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.

OOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen?  That's intriguing.

Kyrie for Kawhi.  Brown for Fultz.  Send it in.

Dude, I mean come on... I like Fultz, but you're really pushing the, "I'm a 76ers fanboy," narrative all around again lol.

I think he is being sarcastic, or I'm missing something.

He is being sarcastic.

[celticsclay]

I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade:   Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi.   Gonna be tough to beat that.

Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.

OOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen?  That's intriguing.

Kyrie for Kawhi.  Brown for Fultz.  Send it in.

How many minutes did "elite prospect" Futz play in the 1st round? How about against us?

It's hard to get a real rise out of Celtics fans when you don't have much substance.

19 year old Fult per-36:  14.2 points, 7.5 assists, 6.1 rebounds, 1.7 steals
19 year old Brown per-36:  0 points, 0 assists, 0 rebounds, 0 steals

Brown didn't enter the league until he was 20 and put up averages of 6.6 points, 2.8 rebounds, 0.8 assists, 0.4 steals... and he averaged 12 minutes in the playoffs with multiple DNPs.

How confident are you that Fultz next year (when he's the same age as Brown's rookie season) will be just as forgettable? 

How about in two seasons when Fultz is the same age as Brown this year... in which Brown put up numbers nearly identical to 2nd year Michael Beasley and just a hair below 2nd year Jeff Green?

I'm a fan of Brown.  Most likely he peaks out as a fringe star.  Fultz had a very bizarre rookie season, but it's too early to give up on him. 

Neither team would trade Fultz for Brown so it's a moot point.   Boston might move Brown in a package for Kawhi, but it would be expensive and it's not really possible currently given our salaries.  If Fultz + Convington + #10 is on the table this week, it's gonna be tough to beat it.

Thanks for the laugh LaBrd33. I missed your intuitive posts and excellent writing, but your 76ers fanboyism? Absolutely not.

I like that you guys consider the act of not giving up on a 19 year old Markelle Fultz "76er fanboyism" when this time last year every [dang] one of you was losing your minds over giving up the Fultz pick to trade down to #3.  I was totally on board with trading down.  I trust Ainge.  Go back 1 year ago and you'll see a bunch of suicidal Celtic fans arguing with me when I claimed I genuinely believed Boston wouldn't have done the deal unless they honestly felt Tatum was equal/better than Fultz/Ball.

His shot is straight-up broken and that's a massive problem.  He's still an elite prospect.

What does my comment have to do with the above? My point is Brown is a better prospect than Fultz right now. Ask any GM who they would take.... A PG/SG combo guard that lacks a shot in today's NBA is like bringing in Roy Hibbert in today's NBA.

Who's Roy Hibbert?

[rondofan1255]

I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade:   Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi.   Gonna be tough to beat that.

Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.

OOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen?  That's intriguing.

Kyrie for Kawhi.  Brown for Fultz.  Send it in.

How many minutes did "elite prospect" Futz play in the 1st round? How about against us?

It's hard to get a real rise out of Celtics fans when you don't have much substance.

19 year old Fult per-36:  14.2 points, 7.5 assists, 6.1 rebounds, 1.7 steals
19 year old Brown per-36:  0 points, 0 assists, 0 rebounds, 0 steals

Brown didn't enter the league until he was 20 and put up averages of 6.6 points, 2.8 rebounds, 0.8 assists, 0.4 steals... and he averaged 12 minutes in the playoffs with multiple DNPs.

How confident are you that Fultz next year (when he's the same age as Brown's rookie season) will be just as forgettable? 

How about in two seasons when Fultz is the same age as Brown this year... in which Brown put up numbers nearly identical to 2nd year Michael Beasley and just a hair below 2nd year Jeff Green?

I'm a fan of Brown.  Most likely he peaks out as a fringe star.  Fultz had a very bizarre rookie season, but it's too early to give up on him. 

Neither team would trade Fultz for Brown so it's a moot point.   Boston might move Brown in a package for Kawhi, but it would be expensive and it's not really possible currently given our salaries.  If Fultz + Convington + #10 is on the table this week, it's gonna be tough to beat it.

Thanks for the laugh LaBrd33. I missed your intuitive posts and excellent writing, but your 76ers fanboyism? Absolutely not.

I like that you guys consider the act of not giving up on a 19 year old Markelle Fultz "76er fanboyism" when this time last year every [dang] one of you was losing your minds over giving up the Fultz pick to trade down to #3.  I was totally on board with trading down.  I trust Ainge.  Go back 1 year ago and you'll see a bunch of suicidal Celtic fans arguing with me when I claimed I genuinely believed Boston wouldn't have done the deal unless they honestly felt Tatum was equal/better than Fultz/Ball.

His shot is straight-up broken and that's a massive problem.  He's still an elite prospect.

What does my comment have to do with the above? My point is Brown is a better prospect than Fultz right now. Ask any GM who they would take.... A PG/SG combo guard that lacks a shot in today's NBA is like bringing in Roy Hibbert in today's NBA.

Who's Roy Hibbert?

Haha! TP

[footey]

I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade:   Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi.   Gonna be tough to beat that.

What? That offer isn't even that good...

Fultz is still an elite prospect.  Youngest player ever to have a triple double.

Stop trolling, dude.

[RJ87]

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Expect the the Sixers, Celtics, Lakers and Clippers to be the main four teams pursuing Kawhi Leonard, per sources. Teams with top picks could always jump into the sweepstakes, but the risk would be significant considering Leonard has just one more season left on his contract.

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We can dream, but one of his biggest beefs was his shoe contract being small from being in a small market. For selling shoes he is not going to think Boston or Philly has a chance of changing that.

Hasn't Kyrie's shoe line done awesome since coming to Boston?

Kyrie's shoe line was doing great in Cleveland. It has less to do with market in 2018 and all of the social media. Leonard just doesn't have the off court persona. He should be angrier at his PR team.

[PhoSita]

The whole saga is a reminder of why I, an NBA fan since the mid-80s, find this league hard to enjoy these days.

You can do everything right as a franchise and still come up short. The Lakers have been one of the worst-run teams in the league for years, they've been awful at managing the cap, have a huge amount of dead money on their cap. So what? Three of the right guys decide they like the idea of living in Southern California, and voila! All that is forgotten. Doesn't matter.

I thought the league was kind of moving past this, but I guess not. Remember when Lamarcus Aldridge had a free agent meeting with the Lakers and they pitched him on marketing and endorsements and stuff, and hardly anything about basketball? He chose the Spurs instead, the best-run organization in the NBA. Basically the most glamorous places -- LA and NY -- have struck out in free agency in recent years, and most people interpreted it as "guys are prioritizing winning and well-run franchises". Well, maybe we got ahead of ourselves.

What we've got here is a cycle where the teams show no loyalty to the players, and the players show no loyalty to the teams. If you were Kyrie Irving and you'd just seen Isaiah Thomas summarily dumped by the team he carried to the ECF on the weight of a bum hip, wouldn't you be a little cautious?

The way out of this mess is to shift your priorities to draft picks and guys on rookie deals. The only way you can guarantee that an elite player will stay with your club in the long-run is to sign him as a rookie and max him out when he becomes a restricted free agency 5 years later. Something to think about before we trade away Jaylen or, God forbid, Tatum.

Preach.

[LarBrd33]

I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade:   Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi.   Gonna be tough to beat that.

Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.

OOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen?  That's intriguing.

Kyrie for Kawhi.  Brown for Fultz.  Send it in.

How many minutes did "elite prospect" Futz play in the 1st round? How about against us?

It's hard to get a real rise out of Celtics fans when you don't have much substance.

19 year old Fult per-36:  14.2 points, 7.5 assists, 6.1 rebounds, 1.7 steals
19 year old Brown per-36:  0 points, 0 assists, 0 rebounds, 0 steals

Brown didn't enter the league until he was 20 and put up averages of 6.6 points, 2.8 rebounds, 0.8 assists, 0.4 steals... and he averaged 12 minutes in the playoffs with multiple DNPs.

How confident are you that Fultz next year (when he's the same age as Brown's rookie season) will be just as forgettable? 

How about in two seasons when Fultz is the same age as Brown this year... in which Brown put up numbers nearly identical to 2nd year Michael Beasley and just a hair below 2nd year Jeff Green?

I'm a fan of Brown.  Most likely he peaks out as a fringe star.  Fultz had a very bizarre rookie season, but it's too early to give up on him. 

Neither team would trade Fultz for Brown so it's a moot point.   Boston might move Brown in a package for Kawhi, but it would be expensive and it's not really possible currently given our salaries.  If Fultz + Convington + #10 is on the table this week, it's gonna be tough to beat it.

Thanks for the laugh LaBrd33. I missed your intuitive posts and excellent writing, but your 76ers fanboyism? Absolutely not.

I like that you guys consider the act of not giving up on a 19 year old Markelle Fultz "76er fanboyism" when this time last year every [dang] one of you was losing your minds over giving up the Fultz pick to trade down to #3.  I was totally on board with trading down.  I trust Ainge.  Go back 1 year ago and you'll see a bunch of suicidal Celtic fans arguing with me when I claimed I genuinely believed Boston wouldn't have done the deal unless they honestly felt Tatum was equal/better than Fultz/Ball.

His shot is straight-up broken and that's a massive problem.  He's still an elite prospect.

What does my comment have to do with the above? My point is Brown is a better prospect than Fultz right now. Ask any GM who they would take.... A PG/SG combo guard that lacks a shot in today's NBA is like bringing in Roy Hibbert in today's NBA.

I'm not sure Brown is a better prospect than Fultz right now.  I get why you could make that conclusion, though.  Clearly, 21 year old Brown played better than 19 year old Fultz.  But I can't confidently say 23 year old Brown will be better than 23 year old Fultz.

[playdream]

It seems like his "injury" isn't the reason he didn't play, so you only to make sure he signs an extension, I like Brown but his BBIQ really worries me and it's hard to improve that aspect, with Kyrie-Kawhi-Tatum-Hayward-Horford we will have enough fire power to compete against the Warriors.

thoughts?

[Eddie20]

I think many people have independently looked at the Sixers roster and came up with the same no-brainer trade:   Covington + Fultz + #10 for Kawhi.   Gonna be tough to beat that.

Jaylen Brown and a Chipotle coupon would be a far better deal for Spurs.

OOo... do you think we could get Fultz for Jaylen?  That's intriguing.

Kyrie for Kawhi.  Brown for Fultz.  Send it in.

How many minutes did "elite prospect" Futz play in the 1st round? How about against us?

It's hard to get a real rise out of Celtics fans when you don't have much substance.

19 year old Fult per-36:  14.2 points, 7.5 assists, 6.1 rebounds, 1.7 steals
19 year old Brown per-36:  0 points, 0 assists, 0 rebounds, 0 steals

Brown didn't enter the league until he was 20 and put up averages of 6.6 points, 2.8 rebounds, 0.8 assists, 0.4 steals... and he averaged 12 minutes in the playoffs with multiple DNPs.

How confident are you that Fultz next year (when he's the same age as Brown's rookie season) will be just as forgettable? 

How about in two seasons when Fultz is the same age as Brown this year... in which Brown put up numbers nearly identical to 2nd year Michael Beasley and just a hair below 2nd year Jeff Green?

I'm a fan of Brown.  Most likely he peaks out as a fringe star.  Fultz had a very bizarre rookie season, but it's too early to give up on him. 

Neither team would trade Fultz for Brown so it's a moot point.   Boston might move Brown in a package for Kawhi, but it would be expensive and it's not really possible currently given our salaries.  If Fultz + Convington + #10 is on the table this week, it's gonna be tough to beat it.

Thanks for the laugh LaBrd33. I missed your intuitive posts and excellent writing, but your 76ers fanboyism? Absolutely not.

I like that you guys consider the act of not giving up on a 19 year old Markelle Fultz "76er fanboyism" when this time last year every [dang] one of you was losing your minds over giving up the Fultz pick to trade down to #3.  I was totally on board with trading down.  I trust Ainge.  Go back 1 year ago and you'll see a bunch of suicidal Celtic fans arguing with me when I claimed I genuinely believed Boston wouldn't have done the deal unless they honestly felt Tatum was equal/better than Fultz/Ball.

His shot is straight-up broken and that's a massive problem.  He's still an elite prospect.

What does my comment have to do with the above? My point is Brown is a better prospect than Fultz right now. Ask any GM who they would take.... A PG/SG combo guard that lacks a shot in today's NBA is like bringing in Roy Hibbert in today's NBA.

I'm not sure Brown is a better prospect than Fultz right now.  I get why you could make that conclusion, though.  Clearly, 21 year old Brown played better than 19 year old Fultz.  But I can't confidently say 23 year old Brown will be better than 23 year old Fultz.

I remember you being really confident in Okafor and Noel too. When it comes to all things Sixers your opinion is only as valuable as your track record.

[Phantom255x]

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