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Title: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: Phantom255x on November 22, 2017, 09:01:28 PM
I mean, I get it, he makes the winning plays late in games, his hustle is admirable, and he's a gritty defender (sort of like "our version of Draymond Green or Tony Allen")

But it looks like his shooting has shown NO improvement, and might actually be a lot worse than before  :o

Most (including me) speculated he could get a contract of 4 years, 75M+ in RFA from either the C's or another team (as his market value, and based on what a few other "similar" players have received in the recent months).

Maybe that's not the case anymore. Obviously, still a long way to go this season, but if his shooting remains relatively poor all season, I think even bad teams w/cap won't offer Smart that big of a contract, and so maybe we can keep him w/Bird Rights on a 4 year deal worth less than 16M/year, OR maybe even Smart pulls off a "Nerlens Noel" and signs a prove-it deal with the Qualifying offer?

Either way, looks like Ainge was wise to not bother with contract negotiations with Smart in October, and to take a risk and see how Smart does THIS season.

Smart will get paid, but I doubt he's getting paid THAT much the way he's been playing. Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: Phantom255x on November 22, 2017, 09:05:17 PM
Lol go figure, I make this post, and now Smart is heating up in the 3rd quarter...  :P
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: gouki88 on November 22, 2017, 09:06:29 PM
His shooting definitely has regressed

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html

Look at his FG% by distance. It's disgusting.

27% from the field and 26% from deep, and he takes 10 FGA's per game. 
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: Phantom255x on November 22, 2017, 09:08:16 PM
His shooting definitely has regressed

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html

Look at his FG% by distance. It's disgusting.

27% from the field and 26% from deep, and he takes 10 FGA's per game.

Exactly.

I love Smart, but honestly, if he does leave for something like 4 Years, 80M, I won't lose much sleep.

That's assuming his shooting and shooting %'s remain relatively low, of course.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: gouki88 on November 22, 2017, 09:08:51 PM
His shooting definitely has regressed

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html

Look at his FG% by distance. It's disgusting.

27% from the field and 26% from deep, and he takes 10 FGA's per game.

Exactly.

I love Smart, but honestly, if he does leave for something like 4 Years, 80M, I won't lose much sleep.
The GM that gives him that contract certainly will
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: Phantom255x on November 22, 2017, 09:14:04 PM
His shooting definitely has regressed

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html

Look at his FG% by distance. It's disgusting.

27% from the field and 26% from deep, and he takes 10 FGA's per game.

Exactly.

I love Smart, but honestly, if he does leave for something like 4 Years, 80M, I won't lose much sleep.
The GM that gives him that contract certainly will

LOL.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: jambr380 on November 22, 2017, 09:21:25 PM
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maybe we can keep him w/Bird Rights on a 4 year deal worth less than 16M/year

This is the lowest you think Smart will get paid? I have always thought he would be lucky to get a $40m/4 yrs...maybe, possibly, crazily $48m/4 yrs. I love Smart, but he has like the opposite of an offensive game.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: Phantom255x on November 22, 2017, 09:22:48 PM
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maybe we can keep him w/Bird Rights on a 4 year deal worth less than 16M/year

This is the lowest you think Smart will get paid? I have always thought he would be lucky to get a $40m/4 yrs...maybe, possibly, crazily $48m/4 yrs. I love Smart, but he has like the opposite of an offensive game.

Hey, if we can keep Smart at 4/48M, I'd be ecstatic!

But with Olynyk at 4/50M, I feel Smart will likely get 4/60M as "benchmark".
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: keevsnick on November 22, 2017, 09:27:35 PM
I'm not giving him more than 4/48. I just don't know how you give some one shooting under than 30% more than 12 million a year. He's olny a useful player for teams that are already in contention where his clutch ability actually matters, and teams like that don't generally have a lot of cap room. More than that, and I'm comfortable letting him walk.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: Phantom255x on November 22, 2017, 09:28:42 PM
I'm not giving him more than 4/48. I just don't know how you give some one shooting under than 30% more than 12 million a year. He's olny a useful player for teams that are already in contention where his clutch ability actually matters, and teams like that don't generally have a lot of cap room. More than that, and I'm comfortable letting him walk.

Even if Smart's shooting improves slightly, I agree. My absolute best offer for him is 4/52M. If another team offers 4/60M+ and Smart's shooting is still bad, BYE.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: More Banners on November 22, 2017, 10:03:12 PM
I'm not giving him more than 4/48. I just don't know how you give some one shooting under than 30% more than 12 million a year. He's olny a useful player for teams that are already in contention where his clutch ability actually matters, and teams like that don't generally have a lot of cap room. More than that, and I'm comfortable letting him walk.

Even if Smart's shooting improves slightly, I agree. My absolute best offer for him is 4/52M. If another team offers 4/60M+ and Smart's shooting is still bad, BYE.

I have yet to hear/read a compelling reason he will get more than the MLE.

A crap team with cap space might blow it on him for 'culture' and 'leadership,' and to stay above the floor, for a short deal. But as Steve Kerr says, there are no role players on bad teams. He is most useful on a playoff team, and they are usually over the cap.

So MLE is the market rate.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: CelticsElite on November 22, 2017, 10:04:17 PM
When Hayward comes back we will have less use for a 20% shooter like marcus
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: slamtheking on November 22, 2017, 10:11:02 PM
he won't get a ton of money.  likely something like 12-13 mill per year for 4 years.  he does so much on the court to impact winning despite his shooting.

on a team that used him differently, like strictly within 16 feet of the basket, he'd look a lot better
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: ETNCeltics on November 22, 2017, 10:28:26 PM
LOL 3-9 is "heating it up" for Marcus.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on November 22, 2017, 10:39:47 PM
I don't see how he could get offered a ton. Teams don't usually offer big bucks for defense-only players. And it's not as though he shoots poorly on a small number of shots—he shoots poorly on high volume and keeps on shooting.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: More Banners on November 22, 2017, 10:42:35 PM
he won't get a ton of money.  likely something like 12-13 mill per year for 4 years.  he does so much on the court to impact winning despite his shooting.

on a team that used him differently, like strictly within 16 feet of the basket, he'd look a lot better

So who is going to pay that money?  Who is paying a bench player that money?  What team prefers guards who can't stretch the floor?

I'm mystified by this. Yeah, he does some things well. But those aren't the things teams pay big money for.

Unlike recent years when half the league had space, only a handful of teams will in 2018, and Smart will not solve their many problems. Indy, Bulls... will not commit big money to a role player who can't shoot without kneecapping their respective rebuilds. LA won't waste their chance at signing a star.

Smart will be far enough from the front of the free agent line that the money will be gone before he gets a contract, and that is doubly true since he will be restricted. His only option above the mid level is to stay in Boston, and no way Ainge over pays with other, better players (starters) needing to be resigned soon, plus Rozier still here on his cheapo rookie deal.

The big money bonanza is over. Marcus missed the train.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: footey on November 22, 2017, 10:50:24 PM
Before season I felt he was worth about 60 mm over 4 years. Now the market is collapsing, lucky to get $50 mm over 4.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 23, 2017, 12:15:37 AM
looking like Stevenson 2.0

needs to really work on producing more offense on demand ......not by accident
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: liam on November 23, 2017, 12:24:00 AM
If he gets  deal Close to Evan Turner money, Danny would have to let him walk...
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: azzenfrost on November 23, 2017, 12:49:10 AM
I think he'll get paid. Weirder things have happened.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: KGs Knee on November 23, 2017, 12:59:23 AM
I think he'll get paid. Weirder things have happened.

Of course he will get paid, he's not going to be out of the league.

But with the way he is playing right now, I wouldn't be surprised if he plays for the QO next year. Who is going to pay a better passing, worse shooting, Tony Allen 8 figures?
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: __ramonezy__ on November 23, 2017, 09:47:43 AM
Brad is still tinkering with his lineups and I foresee moving Smart into the starting rotation and bringing Brown off the bench as the first substitute. Simply because his need to score on the first unit with Horford and Kyrie will be greatly diminished. Marcus Smart is averaging 10 shots per game, with almost half of those (4.2) being 3-point attempts is a recipe for failure.

If he stays with the second unit, then Brad has to ensure that his attempts come within his skillset... post-ups or drives. Im looking at players excel with limited offensive capabilities, simply because they stay within their abilities... Ben Simmons, Giannis, DWade, young Lebron... there's no reason Smart cannot have similar success
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: slamtheking on November 23, 2017, 10:45:56 AM
he won't get a ton of money.  likely something like 12-13 mill per year for 4 years.  he does so much on the court to impact winning despite his shooting.

on a team that used him differently, like strictly within 16 feet of the basket, he'd look a lot better

So who is going to pay that money?  Who is paying a bench player that money?  What team prefers guards who can't stretch the floor?

I'm mystified by this. Yeah, he does some things well. But those aren't the things teams pay big money for.

Unlike recent years when half the league had space, only a handful of teams will in 2018, and Smart will not solve their many problems. Indy, Bulls... will not commit big money to a role player who can't shoot without kneecapping their respective rebuilds. LA won't waste their chance at signing a star.

Smart will be far enough from the front of the free agent line that the money will be gone before he gets a contract, and that is doubly true since he will be restricted. His only option above the mid level is to stay in Boston, and no way Ainge over pays with other, better players (starters) needing to be resigned soon, plus Rozier still here on his cheapo rookie deal.

The big money bonanza is over. Marcus missed the train.
we'll find that out in the offseason won't we.  I'd be stunned if he only gets MLE.  there's a reason he's on the floor at the end of games -- he makes winning plays and this league is all about winning.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: jambr380 on November 23, 2017, 10:57:36 AM
Brad is still tinkering with his lineups and I foresee moving Smart into the starting rotation and bringing Brown off the bench as the first substitute. Simply because his need to score on the first unit with Horford and Kyrie will be greatly diminished. Marcus Smart is averaging 10 shots per game, with almost half of those (4.2) being 3-point attempts is a recipe for failure.

If he stays with the second unit, then Brad has to ensure that his attempts come within his skillset... post-ups or drives. Im looking at players excel with limited offensive capabilities, simply because they stay within their abilities... Ben Simmons, Giannis, DWade, young Lebron... there's no reason Smart cannot have similar success

Brad is not going to bring our 2nd best player, who also happens to only be a month into his 2nd season, off the bench. Even though it didn't have the desired effect last night, Morris seems to be the obvious choice to lead the scoring in the 2nd unit. Hopefully Rozier can go back to operating as an off-ball spot up shooter with Marcus doing all of the half-court playmaking.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: Celtics4ever on November 23, 2017, 11:10:23 AM
No, he won't guys here always overestimate our value.   Some guys thought Sully would get 12 million a year and Olynyk 20 so fans here usually overestimate our guys value because they grow attached to them.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: nickagneta on November 23, 2017, 11:38:46 AM
He won't get Olynyk money. Olynyk is a stretch 4 that scores efficiently and plays decent team defense. That's valuable in today's game. A defensive minded combo guard that can't shoot can found much more easily. MLE is all he is worth in today's offensive minded game.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: billysan on November 23, 2017, 12:06:30 PM
He won't get Olynyk money. Olynyk is a stretch 4 that scores efficiently and plays decent team defense. That's valuable in today's game. A defensive minded combo guard that can't shoot can found much more easily. MLE is all he is worth in today's offensive minded game.
This is where I see him also. The max he gets from the Celtics is 3/27 with the third year a team option. He has earned rotation minutes because of effort, defense and ball handling. He is not a reliable enough scorer to warrant bigger money.

Terry Rozier may take his job as second unit playmaker  next year if we don't re sign him.

Bigger question is who do we keep between him and Baynes if it comes to that? They may both be in the same salary range.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: mctyson on November 23, 2017, 12:50:39 PM
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maybe we can keep him w/Bird Rights on a 4 year deal worth less than 16M/year

This is the lowest you think Smart will get paid? I have always thought he would be lucky to get a $40m/4 yrs...maybe, possibly, crazily $48m/4 yrs. I love Smart, but he has like the opposite of an offensive game.

Hey, if we can keep Smart at 4/48M, I'd be ecstatic!

But with Olynyk at 4/50M, I feel Smart will likely get 4/60M as "benchmark".

You have to look at a guy like Roberson but then add value for both youth and the fact that Smart is a capable PG with size who can make plays for others, versus being buried in the corner.

Roberson is making $10M a year.  Smart will easily get $15M.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: Denis998 on November 23, 2017, 12:58:48 PM
the rate he is shooting I doubt that he cracks the 10m mark
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: MattyIce on November 23, 2017, 01:13:26 PM
He won't get Olynyk money. Olynyk is a stretch 4 that scores efficiently and plays decent team defense. That's valuable in today's game. A defensive minded combo guard that can't shoot can found much more easily. MLE is all he is worth in today's offensive minded game.
This is where I see him also. The max he gets from the Celtics is 3/27 with the third year a team option. He has earned rotation minutes because of effort, defense and ball handling. He is not a reliable enough scorer to warrant bigger money.

Terry Rozier may take his job as second unit playmaker  next year if we don't re sign him.

Bigger question is who do we keep between him and Baynes if it comes to that? They may both be in the same salary range.

we already offered him well over 9 , granted his stats have fallen though
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: AUS_Celtics on November 23, 2017, 01:49:59 PM
The Boston Celtics should offer him $48M for Four (4) years with performance bonuses and incentives. He can get his $13-15M by achieving certain benchmarks like 40-45% FG and 35-40% 3PT. This, I believe, would be best for both player and franchise. Thank you!
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: Csfan1984 on November 23, 2017, 02:54:10 PM
The Boston Celtics should offer him $48M for Four (4) years with performance bonuses and incentives. He can get his $13-15M by achieving certain benchmarks like 40-45% FG and 35-40% 3PT. This, I believe, would be best for both player and franchise. Thank you!
I'd be all for that yet feel someone will just guarantee him 16 million per at 3 years.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: jambr380 on November 23, 2017, 04:39:07 PM
Marcus was given a humongous opportunity this year with the Hayward injury and he is laying the biggest egg ever. We all talk about his clutch plays - and it is hard to argue against this - but whose spot is he even going to take at the end of games next year? Tatum will be over a full year in and Brown is already a borderline all-star.

I just don't see where people get these huge #s from ($14M+/yr), but I do hope we can keep him.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: Neurotic Guy on November 23, 2017, 05:04:48 PM
The Boston Celtics should offer him $48M for Four (4) years with performance bonuses and incentives. He can get his $13-15M by achieving certain benchmarks like 40-45% FG and 35-40% 3PT. This, I believe, would be best for both player and franchise. Thank you!

Without knowledge of what 12M means in terms of cap/tax impact or player comps to justify the amount -- it sounds on its surface about right.  More would feel like an overpay. That said, Marcus is a difference-maker who probably will  harness his skills over time just as Tony Allen did -  HE can be a prime contributor to a good team.  He has value and I'm sure DA knows the right limit.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: slamtheking on November 23, 2017, 05:14:33 PM
He won't get Olynyk money. Olynyk is a stretch 4 that scores efficiently and plays decent team defense. That's valuable in today's game. A defensive minded combo guard that can't shoot can found much more easily. MLE is all he is worth in today's offensive minded game.
This is where I see him also. The max he gets from the Celtics is 3/27 with the third year a team option. He has earned rotation minutes because of effort, defense and ball handling. He is not a reliable enough scorer to warrant bigger money.

Terry Rozier may take his job as second unit playmaker  next year if we don't re sign him.

Bigger question is who do we keep between him and Baynes if it comes to that? They may both be in the same salary range.
I don't think it's a Baynes or Smart situation.  We have no bird rights to Baynes iirc so we have to pay him with an exception(MLE most likely) or cap money.  we have no cap room next year so unless he takes the MLE to return, he's gone.  I'd be surprised if he doesn't command that much next season.  Smart is someone we can resign without cap interference. 
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on November 23, 2017, 06:20:44 PM
Marcus was given a humongous opportunity this year with the Hayward injury and he is laying the biggest egg ever. We all talk about his clutch plays - and it is hard to argue against this - but whose spot is he even going to take at the end of games next year? Tatum will be over a full year in and Brown is already a borderline all-star.

I just don't see where people get these huge #s from ($14M+/yr), but I do hope we can keep him.

Good point. Assuming health (a big assumption, I know), I think the Celtics will have (and should have) Hayward, Horford, Irving, Tatum, and Brown to start and close out games. I don't think Smart is worth $14M+ a year, but they definitely can't be paying someone that much money who can't even close a game.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: ETNCeltics on November 23, 2017, 08:26:13 PM
Celtics are going to do everything they can to stay out of the luxury tax next year, because they know they'll be into the tax in 2019.

Smart isn't going to get anywhere near the $12-$15 million some have predicted, but he'd have to be way below that for the Celtics to sign him, IMO. No team is going to pay that kind of $$ for the worst shooting guard in the league, a guy who isn't and won't be a starter.

Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: cman88 on November 23, 2017, 08:47:28 PM
Celtics are going to do everything they can to stay out of the luxury tax next year, because they know they'll be into the tax in 2019.

Smart isn't going to get anywhere near the $12-$15 million some have predicted, but he'd have to be way below that for the Celtics to sign him, IMO. No team is going to pay that kind of $$ for the worst shooting guard in the league, a guy who isn't and won't be a starter.

not only that, I think the list of teams that can use a guy like Marcus smart are small. It needs to be a good team where he can be just a role-player. If teams are paying him to be a big contributer on offense they will get blown out of the building.

And I dont think teams are going to be lining up to  pay big $ to a one dimensional player who is shooting 25% on average and 25% from 3s!
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: mgent on November 23, 2017, 08:57:26 PM
Marcus was given a humongous opportunity this year with the Hayward injury and he is laying the biggest egg ever. We all talk about his clutch plays - and it is hard to argue against this - but whose spot is he even going to take at the end of games next year? Tatum will be over a full year in and Brown is already a borderline all-star.

I just don't see where people get these huge #s from ($14M+/yr), but I do hope we can keep him.

Good point. Assuming health (a big assumption, I know), I think the Celtics will have (and should have) Hayward, Horford, Irving, Tatum, and Brown to start and close out games. I don't think Smart is worth $14M+ a year, but they definitely can't be paying someone that much money who can't even close a game.

That's quite a jump from Irving/Tatum/Brown/Hayward are better players to Smart "can't even close a game."

If that's our starting 5 with Smart as the 6th man, that's one hell of a team.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: More Banners on November 23, 2017, 09:28:50 PM
Marcus was given a humongous opportunity this year with the Hayward injury and he is laying the biggest egg ever. We all talk about his clutch plays - and it is hard to argue against this - but whose spot is he even going to take at the end of games next year? Tatum will be over a full year in and Brown is already a borderline all-star.

I just don't see where people get these huge #s from ($14M+/yr), but I do hope we can keep him.

Good point. Assuming health (a big assumption, I know), I think the Celtics will have (and should have) Hayward, Horford, Irving, Tatum, and Brown to start and close out games. I don't think Smart is worth $14M+ a year, but they definitely can't be paying someone that much money who can't even close a game.

That's quite a jump from Irving/Tatum/Brown/Hayward are better players to Smart "can't even close a game."

If that's our starting 5 with Smart as the 6th man, that's one hell of a team.

In a close, possession game, need to do offense/defense subbing if you want Marcus on the floor. It's not clear that he is the player that would close a game unless we have a lead.

And I wouldn't pencil him in as a default 6th man either.  That could just as easily be the other Marcus on our current roster. Or whomever ends up being signed with the DPE. 6th man used to be a starter-level player who comes off the bench, and I'm not sure Smart fits that definition. In my view, Brown flat beat him out for the starting job. Not close. And if I had another team that he was the starter on, I'd be looking for an upgrade because that team would have gaping holes.

At some point, the game should hopefully slow down for Rozier. If that happens this season, we just flat out don't need to pay Marcus. NBA rosters are top-heavy on salary, which makes it both very difficult and very necessary to keep the salary commitments to role players and backups in check.

Most likely comes back on the QO, or signs a 4 year MLE deal, possibly with an opt out somewhere and maybe a trade kicker. That would be fair. Give him a million dollar championship bonus for fun even.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: Celtics4ever on November 23, 2017, 10:42:01 PM
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The Boston Celtics should offer him $48M for Four (4) years with performance bonuses and incentives. He can get his $13-15M by achieving certain benchmarks like 40-45% FG and 35-40% 3PT

I hope Ainge does not overpay because I would rather spend that money on Brown and Tatum to be honest.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on November 23, 2017, 11:45:18 PM
Marcus was given a humongous opportunity this year with the Hayward injury and he is laying the biggest egg ever. We all talk about his clutch plays - and it is hard to argue against this - but whose spot is he even going to take at the end of games next year? Tatum will be over a full year in and Brown is already a borderline all-star.

I just don't see where people get these huge #s from ($14M+/yr), but I do hope we can keep him.

Good point. Assuming health (a big assumption, I know), I think the Celtics will have (and should have) Hayward, Horford, Irving, Tatum, and Brown to start and close out games. I don't think Smart is worth $14M+ a year, but they definitely can't be paying someone that much money who can't even close a game.

That's quite a jump from Irving/Tatum/Brown/Hayward are better players to Smart "can't even close a game."

If that's our starting 5 with Smart as the 6th man, that's one hell of a team.

My point is that if those five starters are healthy, they'll also be the ones closing games, most likely. Which means the Cs would be paying Smart $14M+ to sit on the bench at the end of games. Which seems absurd to me.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: Beat LA on November 24, 2017, 12:15:28 AM
At this rate he'll be lucky to get a generous offering of "Zoinks Points".  Jinkies :laugh:.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: nickagneta on November 24, 2017, 12:23:45 AM
I really think a major factor in Smart returning under contract will be if the LA pick conveys. If it does thiis team is going to have a special rookie that they will have to pay $5-6 million per year too. Ainge may have to look at doing everything he can to stay out of the luxury tax and a rookie might be a better investment than Smart.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: azzenfrost on November 24, 2017, 01:24:42 AM
DA could always sign Smart to a Bradley or Crowder kind of contract and ship him out for assets.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: trickybilly on November 24, 2017, 02:03:29 AM
He won't get Olynyk money. Olynyk is a stretch 4 that scores efficiently and plays decent team defense. That's valuable in today's game. A defensive minded combo guard that can't shoot can found much more easily. MLE is all he is worth in today's offensive minded game.
This is where I see him also. The max he gets from the Celtics is 3/27 with the third year a team option. He has earned rotation minutes because of effort, defense and ball handling. He is not a reliable enough scorer to warrant bigger money.

Terry Rozier may take his job as second unit playmaker  next year if we don't re sign him.

Bigger question is who do we keep between him and Baynes if it comes to that? They may both be in the same salary range.
I don't think it's a Baynes or Smart situation.  We have no bird rights to Baynes iirc so we have to pay him with an exception(MLE most likely) or cap money.  we have no cap room next year so unless he takes the MLE to return, he's gone.  I'd be surprised if he doesn't command that much next season.  Smart is someone we can resign without cap interference.

Baynes' situation is actually super interesting.

Look forward to seeing what Danny does with him.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: RodyTur10 on November 24, 2017, 06:31:23 AM
DA could always sign Smart to a Bradley or Crowder kind of contract and ship him out for assets.

Yes, sign him for a 4/30 contract or something. If the situation turnes out that we still need him as a bench player we keep him and otherwise you trade him and possibly get a valuable asset.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: JBcat on November 24, 2017, 08:56:37 AM
He won't get Olynyk money. Olynyk is a stretch 4 that scores efficiently and plays decent team defense. That's valuable in today's game. A defensive minded combo guard that can't shoot can found much more easily. MLE is all he is worth in today's offensive minded game.
This is where I see him also. The max he gets from the Celtics is 3/27 with the third year a team option. He has earned rotation minutes because of effort, defense and ball handling. He is not a reliable enough scorer to warrant bigger money.

Terry Rozier may take his job as second unit playmaker  next year if we don't re sign him.

Bigger question is who do we keep between him and Baynes if it comes to that? They may both be in the same salary range.
I don't think it's a Baynes or Smart situation.  We have no bird rights to Baynes iirc so we have to pay him with an exception(MLE most likely) or cap money.  we have no cap room next year so unless he takes the MLE to return, he's gone.  I'd be surprised if he doesn't command that much next season.  Smart is someone we can resign without cap interference.

Baynes' situation is actually super interesting.

Look forward to seeing what Danny does with him.

I wish we just signed Baynes to a 2 or 3 year deal so we could use the exception on someone else if we wanted to.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: td450 on November 24, 2017, 10:50:54 AM
At some point this year, one of our three rotation bigs will be out for a few games, and Yabusele will get to play. I'm confident that he can do anything Baynes can do and more. He just needs half a year of rotation experience to get there. I'm not worried about Baynes. I'm more worried about Theis, who I think is already better in many circumstances.

Marcus will not be here next year. He has two roles on this team. He serves as the second team point guard, and he also serves as the 5th guy with the starters in certain spots, particularly at the end of games.

He is useless as the second team point guard, because he does not have the ability to create with any consistency, he cannot shoot when covered, and he is not a particularly good decision maker.

He is quite useful as the 5th guy with the starters. He servers as a secondary ball handler, but he doesn't have responsibility to break down the defense. Teams cheat off him, and when he gets a shot, he's much more open. He's the last option, and his primary role is to be opportunistic off the ball, which is his one elite offensive skill.

Unfortunately, that just isn't enough to pay the man good middle class NBA wages. He needs to do both to stay ready, and he is so bad as the second team point guard that he will inevitably lose that role whenever the team comes up with a viable option, which is inevitable.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: KGs Knee on November 24, 2017, 10:54:53 AM
He won't get Olynyk money. Olynyk is a stretch 4 that scores efficiently and plays decent team defense. That's valuable in today's game. A defensive minded combo guard that can't shoot can found much more easily. MLE is all he is worth in today's offensive minded game.
This is where I see him also. The max he gets from the Celtics is 3/27 with the third year a team option. He has earned rotation minutes because of effort, defense and ball handling. He is not a reliable enough scorer to warrant bigger money.

Terry Rozier may take his job as second unit playmaker  next year if we don't re sign him.

Bigger question is who do we keep between him and Baynes if it comes to that? They may both be in the same salary range.
I don't think it's a Baynes or Smart situation.  We have no bird rights to Baynes iirc so we have to pay him with an exception(MLE most likely) or cap money.  we have no cap room next year so unless he takes the MLE to return, he's gone.  I'd be surprised if he doesn't command that much next season.  Smart is someone we can resign without cap interference. 

Boston will have Baynes Non-Bird Right's this summer, which means we can pay him up to 120% of his current salary while going over the cap. This equates to a little over $5 mil.

I'm not sure what the market for Baynes will be, but I'm not sure why we should expect to have to pay him that much more than are currently. It's not like he all of a sudden became a better player. The Baynes we are getting is who he has been for a few years now.

As for Smart, I'm beginning to think that unless he signs for money similar to his QO he's gone.  I have no doubts Wyc will pay the lux tax when the time comes, but I'm not sure Smart is worth paying it to keep around. That just means they'd have to pay the repeater tax one year earlier when the tax will be unavoidable.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: cman88 on November 24, 2017, 11:14:54 AM
1. I just dont know what teams are going to look at marcus smart, a guard who for all his defensive prowess and energy shoots 25% is going to say "lets sign that guy to big $$ to play a large role" Unless you have other guys who can score the rock he doesnt add much value to a team as say....avery bradley does who can provide shooting along with his defense.

HOWEVER, with hayward coming back, another year of development for tatum and possibly another high draft pick the C's will have to weight how much marcus is worth. likely your end game lineup will be kyrie/jaylen/tatum/morris/horford....you still have rozier. is marcus worth paying large $$ to be a defensive roleplayer off the bench?

without the injury to hayward, I wonder how many minutes marcus would be getting right now?
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: OldSchoolDude on November 24, 2017, 12:54:50 PM
I don't think smart will get a ton in RFA, but I suspect he will get more in the Celtics are going to pay for him.  Right now the Celtics crunch time lineup is Irving, Smart, Brown, Tatum, and Horford.  When Hayward comes back one of those crunch-time spots is going to go to Hayward.  So the question is who does Haywood replace in the money line up?  And I think Smart is the odd man out in that situation and that's why he's not going to get the money from Boston.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: Phantom255x on November 24, 2017, 07:37:20 PM
I really think a major factor in Smart returning under contract will be if the LA pick conveys. If it does thiis team is going to have a special rookie that they will have to pay $5-6 million per year too. Ainge may have to look at doing everything he can to stay out of the luxury tax and a rookie might be a better investment than Smart.

This sounds about right.

Though if Smart's value IS going down around the league and you can keep him for say, 4/40M or less... I think Danny wouldn't mind keeping him and going over the tax if needed.

But obviously if he gets overpaid elsewhere, so be it.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: Phantom255x on November 25, 2017, 12:01:01 PM
If Smart shoots like this for a few more games, he might not even get more than 4/32M to be honest...  :P
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: Big333223 on November 25, 2017, 05:34:02 PM
It's crazy. I don't remember a rotation player on a good team shooting below 30% from the field in modern NBA history. But, at the same time, these articles are coming out about how incredibly his impact is on winning despite his scoring, so his profile is as high as its ever been.

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if he got $16 mil a year or $6 mil a year.

EDIT: Especially when you think about how creative some teams have gotten with their contracts. Could Marcus get something like what JJ Redick got last summer? A young team looking for veteran mentorship (in this case for defense, whereas Redick was brought in for offense) who gives Marcus a big, one or two year deal just to establish culture?

Anyway, nothing would surprise me at this point.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: Ilikesports17 on November 25, 2017, 05:36:18 PM
It's crazy. I don't remember a rotation player on a good team shooting below 30% from the field in modern NBA history. But, at the same time, these articles are coming out about how incredibly his impact is on winning despite his scoring, so his profile is as high as its ever been.

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if he got $16 mil a year or $6 mil a year.
His shooting percentages should go up a bit, but they will certainly be awful.

I think the playoffs are gonna have a huge impact on his contract. He could get the Biyombo bump.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: green_bballers13 on November 25, 2017, 06:57:24 PM
20 games ago, I thought Marcus was getting north of $20m per year. Now I think he's getting $12-15. Man his offense is bad. Really bad.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: Phantom255x on November 25, 2017, 10:47:28 PM
PAY THE MAN 20M+ A YEAR!!

 :laugh:  ;)
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: nickagneta on November 25, 2017, 10:57:30 PM
PAY THE MAN 20M+ A YEAR!!

 :laugh:  ;)
Seriously, if Smart shot within himself, didn't shoot the three pointer as much because he is poor at it, and paased well out of the pick and roll like he did tonight, besides doing the great defense and rebounding that he does, he would be a $17-20 million a year player.

But tonight is an aberration. Tonight is not who Marcus Smart is, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: More Banners on November 25, 2017, 11:52:19 PM
PAY THE MAN 20M+ A YEAR!!

 :laugh:  ;)
Seriously, if Smart shot within himself, didn't shoot the three pointer as much because he is poor at it, and paased well out of the pick and roll like he did tonight, besides doing the great defense and rebounding that he does, he would be a $17-20 million a year player.

But tonight is an aberration. Tonight is not who Marcus Smart is, unfortunately.

I just don't see a team with that much cap space blowing it on Smart. It's not too far off from signing a young player to near-max. No way. The handful of teams with that kind of space will be looking to spend it on stars or potential stars, not role players.

Smart would have to convince some GM he is a near-star player, which I guess I'm pretty sure he isn't. The offensive tools aren't there, not just the shooting % or the 3-ball. His handle is average for a guard, doesn't finish well enough at the rrim in traffic to be an effective slasher, and doesn't have enough of a 1st step to beat his defender (without a good pick) enough to get a decent look at a jumper.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: Phantom255x on December 19, 2017, 11:58:42 AM
I'm honestly finding it hard to see Smart even getting more than 15M/Year from another team with cap space.

It's been an extremely wild season for him, but his shooting still looks below average and now he's turning the ball over a lot more. 4/52M is what I'd give him at this point, though that might be a bit generous too.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: iadera on December 19, 2017, 12:05:07 PM
I'm honestly finding it hard to see Smart even getting more than 15M/Year from another team with cap space.

It's been an extremely wild season for him, but his shooting still looks below average and now he's turning the ball over a lot more. 4/52M is what I'd give him at this point, though that might be a bit generous too.


He's shooting is the smallest problem. His numbers are even not that terrible. His ball handling and Kobe-acting, that's what's terrible. He's authorized to  do anything that crosses his mind. I gave him too much time. Can't stand him any more.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 19, 2017, 12:15:25 PM
He is fan favorite , good locker room dude , and is old school attitude which Danny loves.

Danny is  wise ,  realizing the tight cap with mnay teams , no need to jump the gun and over pay.

He can resign Marcus at a workable contract for both sides.  I think tells his agent he wants to stay a Celtic and deal is made.

Toast to my man Marcus ...... clink .....glasses of green kool -aid.  ;D
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: KGs Knee on December 19, 2017, 12:39:19 PM
I'm honestly finding it hard to see Smart even getting more than 15M/Year from another team with cap space.

It's been an extremely wild season for him, but his shooting still looks below average and now he's turning the ball over a lot more. 4/52M is what I'd give him at this point, though that might be a bit generous too.

At this point, 4/40 is looking like it might be too much money to give Smart.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: Tr1boy on December 19, 2017, 12:46:00 PM
No. And at this point if I had to choose

Im keeping rozier instead
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: Surferdad on December 19, 2017, 12:49:21 PM
I'm honestly finding it hard to see Smart even getting more than 15M/Year from another team with cap space.

It's been an extremely wild season for him, but his shooting still looks below average and now he's turning the ball over a lot more. 4/52M is what I'd give him at this point, though that might be a bit generous too.

At this point, 4/40 is looking like it might be too much money to give Smart.
When Evan Turner got 4/70?  I just find it hard to believe there aren't a few teams out there who will give him more than 4/40 in today's market.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: colincb on December 19, 2017, 12:49:57 PM
I'm honestly finding it hard to see Smart even getting more than 15M/Year from another team with cap space.

It's been an extremely wild season for him, but his shooting still looks below average and now he's turning the ball over a lot more. 4/52M is what I'd give him at this point, though that might be a bit generous too.


He's shooting is the smallest problem. His numbers are even not that terrible. His ball handling and Kobe-acting, that's what's terrible. He's authorized to  do anything that crosses his mind. I gave him too much time. Can't stand him any more.

Smart’s shooting numbers are neither "even not that terrible" nor "looks below average." His shooting numbers are brutally bad and rookies Lonzo Ball and Josh Jackson are the only NBA players whose Total Shooting Percentages are worse and who  play similar minutes. This is after what has been an uptick in Smarts numbers recently.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2018_advanced.html#advanced_stats::8

Just for reference, Rondo’s career TS% is 50.1% compared to Smart’s career TS% of 47.6% and his current mark of 45.0% (the median player’s TS% this year is 54.3%).

Smart’s Offensive Rating per 100 possessions, which measure s his individual offensive impact, has dropped to 93 from 102 last year. He has regressed in many offensive categories other than assists in a contract year and he has more than offset his increased assists by increased turnovers. I hope he turns it around because he has the potential to be a good player, but time is ticking away and I think the pressure to perform has affected him negatively.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: keevsnick on December 19, 2017, 12:55:43 PM
I'm honestly finding it hard to see Smart even getting more than 15M/Year from another team with cap space.

It's been an extremely wild season for him, but his shooting still looks below average and now he's turning the ball over a lot more. 4/52M is what I'd give him at this point, though that might be a bit generous too.

At this point, 4/40 is looking like it might be too much money to give Smart.
When Evan Turner got 4/70?  I just find it hard to believe there aren't a few teams out there who will give him more than 4/40 in today's market.

Okay, people need to get this into their heads. That was during a year with a huge jump in salary cap and a record amount of cap space. It was a single, standout year. Stop using contracts from this season as a comparison for future NBA contracts because that year bears no relevance to what future NBA players will get. Also, Evan turner is universally now considered an awful contract. If Marcus Smart's agent says "well Evan Turner got 4/70," he would get literally slapped in the face by the GM he was negotiating with.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: Surferdad on December 19, 2017, 01:00:49 PM
I'm honestly finding it hard to see Smart even getting more than 15M/Year from another team with cap space.

It's been an extremely wild season for him, but his shooting still looks below average and now he's turning the ball over a lot more. 4/52M is what I'd give him at this point, though that might be a bit generous too.

At this point, 4/40 is looking like it might be too much money to give Smart.
When Evan Turner got 4/70?  I just find it hard to believe there aren't a few teams out there who will give him more than 4/40 in today's market.

Okay, people need to get this into their heads. That was during a year with a huge jump in salary cap and a record amount of cap space. It was a single, standout year. Stop using contracts from this season as a comparison for future NBA contracts because that year bears no relevance to what future NBA players will get. Also, Evan turner is universally now considered an awful contract. If Marcus Smart's agent says "well Evan Turner got 4/70," he would get literally slapped in the face by the GM he was negotiating with.
Understood, completely.  However, I still think $10M per year is low these days for a rotation player who also starts sometimes.  Somebody will want MS but personally I hope it's the Celtics..
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on December 19, 2017, 01:17:55 PM
I've been saying it for a while. Either we get Smart locked into a great value contract (5 year, 40 million dollar) that compares to Tony Allen's first contract with the Grizz, or he accepts the QO, plays another year for us on that, and enters the 2019 FA as an UFA.

There simply isn't any money this off-season for players like Smart. There are better guards (Reddick, Paul, Parker, Thomas, KCP, Bradley, Williams, Barton, Evans, Lavine, Payton, Hood, and McCaw) available.

I am still a firm believer that Smart's struggles have to do with rhythm, not ability, but I don't think any GM has the cajones to invest a lot of money in Smart and hope he can get into rhythm. There are better high risk/high reward guys out there (Lavine, Okafor, Hezonja, Exum, Parker, Gordon, Noguira, Capella, Nurkic) for a GM looking for a homerun swing.

All in all, that gives Smart almost no leverage. His only leverage option is to take the QO (1 year, 6 million) and hope that he can show his game enough to get a big offer in 2019 (even though he is splitting minutes with Tatum, Irving, Rozier, Hayward, and Brown).

On the other hand, the Celtics can offer guaranteed money for the next 5 years in a system he knows with a coach that believes in him. I think Smart wants to be a Celtic, and I think we can get him for a great Tony Allen-esque contract.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: celticsclay on December 19, 2017, 01:25:38 PM
I've been saying it for a while. Either we get Smart locked into a great value contract (5 year, 40 million dollar) that compares to Tony Allen's first contract with the Grizz, or he accepts the QO, plays another year for us on that, and enters the 2019 FA as an UFA.

There simply isn't any money this off-season for players like Smart. There are better guards (Reddick, Paul, Parker, Thomas, KCP, Bradley, Williams, Barton, Evans, Lavine, Payton, Hood, and McCaw) available.

I am still a firm believer that Smart's struggles have to do with rhythm, not ability, but I don't think any GM has the cajones to invest a lot of money in Smart and hope he can get into rhythm. There are better high risk/high reward guys out there (Lavine, Okafor, Hezonja, Exum, Parker, Gordon, Noguira, Capella, Nurkic) for a GM looking for a homerun swing.

All in all, that gives Smart almost no leverage. His only leverage option is to take the QO (1 year, 6 million) and hope that he can show his game enough to get a big offer in 2019 (even though he is splitting minutes with Tatum, Irving, Rozier, Hayward, and Brown).

On the other hand, the Celtics can offer guaranteed money for the next 5 years in a system he knows with a coach that believes in him. I think Smart wants to be a Celtic, and I think we can get him for a great Tony Allen-esque contract.

I don't think a lot of these players are clearly better than Smart if that is what you are trying to say.
Reddick is going to be 34 and is having a pretty mediocre shooting season (by his standards). He may fit in with some contenders well, but some teams would definitely prefer Smart's play making and defense.

Mccaw is not even in the same league as Smart, not sure why he would be mentioned.

Parker was looking washed up before his most recent injury, would be shocked if he got a similar contract to Smart at this stage of the year.

Payton has some very similar flaws in his game on offense to Smart and is worse on defense.

Hood and Lavine have both demonstrated less actual positive impact on winning basketball games than Smart.

Some of these guys are very likely to also stay with their teams. I don't think Smart is going to get a huge offer myself, but saying people like Tony Parker and McCaw are better than him is pretty weird... 
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: slamtheking on December 19, 2017, 01:26:50 PM
As mentioned in some prior posts, there's not a lot of teams projected to have a lot of cap space this next offseason and the few that do will want to spend it on a better player. 

depending on how his shot improves (or continues to be spotty), his contractual situation could vary from MLE level money (which the C's should match) up to maybe $15 mill per season which should give the C's some pause.  Love Marcus and everything about his game (except his shooting) and would love to keep him if the money is reasonable.  I think $12 mill per year for 3-4 years would be about as high as the C's would go.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: kozlodoev on December 19, 2017, 01:30:10 PM
As mentioned in some prior posts, there's not a lot of teams projected to have a lot of cap space this next offseason and the few that do will want to spend it on a better player. 

depending on how his shot improves (or continues to be spotty), his contractual situation could vary from MLE level money (which the C's should match) up to maybe $15 mill per season which should give the C's some pause.  Love Marcus and everything about his game (except his shooting) and would love to keep him if the money is reasonable.  I think $12 mill per year for 3-4 years would be about as high as the C's would go.
The problem, as it is with many cap teams, would be that we'll be stuck with either having Smart, or nothing at all. I'll be happy to move on, but unless there's an outrageous offer on the table I don't see how we can replace him except via trade.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: playdream on December 19, 2017, 01:31:05 PM
I've been saying it for a while. Either we get Smart locked into a great value contract (5 year, 40 million dollar) that compares to Tony Allen's first contract with the Grizz, or he accepts the QO, plays another year for us on that, and enters the 2019 FA as an UFA.

There simply isn't any money this off-season for players like Smart. There are better guards (Reddick, Paul, Parker, Thomas, KCP, Bradley, Williams, Barton, Evans, Lavine, Payton, Hood, and McCaw) available.

I am still a firm believer that Smart's struggles have to do with rhythm, not ability, but I don't think any GM has the cajones to invest a lot of money in Smart and hope he can get into rhythm. There are better high risk/high reward guys out there (Lavine, Okafor, Hezonja, Exum, Parker, Gordon, Noguira, Capella, Nurkic) for a GM looking for a homerun swing.

All in all, that gives Smart almost no leverage. His only leverage option is to take the QO (1 year, 6 million) and hope that he can show his game enough to get a big offer in 2019 (even though he is splitting minutes with Tatum, Irving, Rozier, Hayward, and Brown).

On the other hand, the Celtics can offer guaranteed money for the next 5 years in a system he knows with a coach that believes in him. I think Smart wants to be a Celtic, and I think we can get him for a great Tony Allen-esque contract.
This,added a stable organization for him to just give it for the team, he will get star money if he is worth it anyway.
Imagine the coach told him to shoot less, or use the stat padding guy over him, or his teammate don't play defense, i don't think he will be happy in those places and happiness is important for millionaires
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: slamtheking on December 19, 2017, 01:33:42 PM
As mentioned in some prior posts, there's not a lot of teams projected to have a lot of cap space this next offseason and the few that do will want to spend it on a better player. 

depending on how his shot improves (or continues to be spotty), his contractual situation could vary from MLE level money (which the C's should match) up to maybe $15 mill per season which should give the C's some pause.  Love Marcus and everything about his game (except his shooting) and would love to keep him if the money is reasonable.  I think $12 mill per year for 3-4 years would be about as high as the C's would go.
The problem, as it is with many cap teams, would be that we'll be stuck with either having Smart, or nothing at all. I'll be happy to move on, but unless there's an outrageous offer on the table I don't see how we can replace him except via trade.
agreed, which is why I think the C's keep him.  I can't see a team with cap room picking Smart as the guy they want to sign to a big contract.  I think Smart will get offers but nothing outrageous.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: kozlodoev on December 19, 2017, 01:35:01 PM
Imagine the coach told him to shoot less, or use the stat padding guy over him, or his teammate don't play defense, i don't think he will be happy in those places and happiness is important for millionaires
Yes, imagine someone actually trying to coach him... nah, we'll take 4 three pointers a game at 30% clip instead.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on December 19, 2017, 01:42:07 PM

I agree. I probably said that incorrectly. Many of those guys are better, but all of them are going to be vying for the same money Smart wants. Many of them will stay with their teams, but many of those teams are the teams with money (Bulls, Sixers, Grizz, Jazz).

The one team I'm looking at is the Hawks, but I don't think he fits their team or Budz system. I have yet to hear of a good fit from a team that would have legit interest.

Lakers (47 miillion in practical space)? They are vying for bigger names and Smart doesn't make sense next to Ball. They'd rather have KCP.
Bulls (38 million)? They are more likely to resign Lavine and stick with Dunn, who has been playing well.
Hawks (32 million)? Bad fit in Budz system and next to Schroeder.
Sixers (31 million)? They will target shooters first (Bradley, Reddick, KCP).
Dallas (31 million)? Bad fit next to Smith, although they are the scariest one to me. The Mavs probably look to resign Noel, Curry, and Mejiri first, too.
Houston (20 million)? They sign Paul and another piece with that space.
Utah (19 million)? Hood and Exum need to be resigned. Plus, he doesn't make sense next to Mitchell.
Magic (16 million)? They will resign Gordon first.
Suns (15 million)? Jackson does what Smart would do, although he may be a decent fit next to Booker.
Nets (15 million)? They probably target Harris or Okafor first with this money.
Kings (12 million)? They need to move forward with Fox, not take away minutes from him. They need shooters on the wing first.
Pacers (9 million)? Maybe, but once we get down to this number, are we sure Smart wouldn't rather play for a championship for 8 million?
Pelicans (7 million)? Maybe, but once we get down to this number, are we sure Smart wouldn't rather play for a championship for 8 million?
Knicks (6 million)? Maybe, but once we get down to this number, are we sure Smart wouldn't rather play for a championship for 8 million?
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: nickagneta on December 19, 2017, 01:59:15 PM
I think he might get a few offers from teams over the cap for a full MLE, but given the scarcity of good teams with cap space, I am not seeing him getting big offers from good teams.

He may get a big offer from a bad team, but the question arises, does Smart want to play on a bad team? He doesn't seem too keen on losing.

4 years at somewhere between $9 -11 million sounds right from Ainge.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: MJohnnyboy on December 19, 2017, 02:01:40 PM

I agree. I probably said that incorrectly. Many of those guys are better, but all of them are going to be vying for the same money Smart wants. Many of them will stay with their teams, but many of those teams are the teams with money (Bulls, Sixers, Grizz, Jazz).

The one team I'm looking at is the Hawks, but I don't think he fits their team or Budz system. I have yet to hear of a good fit from a team that would have legit interest.

Lakers (47 miillion in practical space)? They are vying for bigger names and Smart doesn't make sense next to Ball. They'd rather have KCP.
Bulls (38 million)? They are more likely to resign Lavine and stick with Dunn, who has been playing well.
Hawks (32 million)? Bad fit in Budz system and next to Schroeder.
Sixers (31 million)? They will target shooters first (Bradley, Reddick, KCP).
Dallas (31 million)? Bad fit next to Smith, although they are the scariest one to me. The Mavs probably look to resign Noel, Curry, and Mejiri first, too.
Houston (20 million)? They sign Paul and another piece with that space.
Utah (19 million)? Hood and Exum need to be resigned. Plus, he doesn't make sense next to Mitchell.
Magic (16 million)? They will resign Gordon first.
Suns (15 million)? Jackson does what Smart would do, although he may be a decent fit next to Booker.
Nets (15 million)? They probably target Harris or Okafor first with this money.
Kings (12 million)? They need to move forward with Fox, not take away minutes from him. They need shooters on the wing first.
Pacers (9 million)? Maybe, but once we get down to this number, are we sure Smart wouldn't rather play for a championship for 8 million?
Pelicans (7 million)? Maybe, but once we get down to this number, are we sure Smart wouldn't rather play for a championship for 8 million?
Knicks (6 million)? Maybe, but once we get down to this number, are we sure Smart wouldn't rather play for a championship for 8 million?

TP for the list. I only have one issue. I'm 99.99% sure Noel is not re-signing with Dallas because of how bad things went this summer and they've barely played him this season.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: rondofan1255 on December 19, 2017, 02:45:40 PM
Since there isn't going to be a 2016 spending spree, 6-8 million?

maybe 3/20M? My guess would be he takes the QO.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on December 19, 2017, 02:54:32 PM

I agree. I probably said that incorrectly. Many of those guys are better, but all of them are going to be vying for the same money Smart wants. Many of them will stay with their teams, but many of those teams are the teams with money (Bulls, Sixers, Grizz, Jazz).

The one team I'm looking at is the Hawks, but I don't think he fits their team or Budz system. I have yet to hear of a good fit from a team that would have legit interest.

Lakers (47 miillion in practical space)? They are vying for bigger names and Smart doesn't make sense next to Ball. They'd rather have KCP.
Bulls (38 million)? They are more likely to resign Lavine and stick with Dunn, who has been playing well.
Hawks (32 million)? Bad fit in Budz system and next to Schroeder.
Sixers (31 million)? They will target shooters first (Bradley, Reddick, KCP).
Dallas (31 million)? Bad fit next to Smith, although they are the scariest one to me. The Mavs probably look to resign Noel, Curry, and Mejiri first, too.
Houston (20 million)? They sign Paul and another piece with that space.
Utah (19 million)? Hood and Exum need to be resigned. Plus, he doesn't make sense next to Mitchell.
Magic (16 million)? They will resign Gordon first.
Suns (15 million)? Jackson does what Smart would do, although he may be a decent fit next to Booker.
Nets (15 million)? They probably target Harris or Okafor first with this money.
Kings (12 million)? They need to move forward with Fox, not take away minutes from him. They need shooters on the wing first.
Pacers (9 million)? Maybe, but once we get down to this number, are we sure Smart wouldn't rather play for a championship for 8 million?
Pelicans (7 million)? Maybe, but once we get down to this number, are we sure Smart wouldn't rather play for a championship for 8 million?
Knicks (6 million)? Maybe, but once we get down to this number, are we sure Smart wouldn't rather play for a championship for 8 million?

TP for the list. I only have one issue. I'm 99.99% sure Noel is not re-signing with Dallas because of how bad things went this summer and they've barely played him this season.

I agree with you, but it was worth mentioning.

Although I'd put the likelihood of the Mavs being interested at 20%, they are the most logical place for Smart.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: Big333223 on December 19, 2017, 05:46:53 PM
I keep going back to Andre Roberson. An All NBA defender who can't shoot who got $30 mil for 3 years last summer. Smart might be better but will find a less hospitable cap environment this year. If he could be signed for 4/$40 I would be very, very happy.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: Rosco917 on December 19, 2017, 06:48:31 PM
He'll definitely get offers...his attitude, facilitating and defense alone will get offers from organizations that know what it takes to win in the NBA. Put Smart on a second unit that has some scoring punch, using him as the PG and he'll have a positive impact.

How much the offers will be is the caveat. I hope to see Marcus stay with the Celtics on a reasonable contract. He does some dumb things at times, I'm hoping he grows out of trying to be what he isn't.

If he doesn't stay with the Celtics...your gonna see some close games lost because of his absents. Smart is a warrior, and Stevens and Danny know it.

It's not a coincidence that he's ALWAYS in the line-up in a close game at its close.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: Celtics4ever on December 19, 2017, 08:14:31 PM
People thought Sully would get 15 million a year and he is out of the league.   Folks thought KO would get 20 million a year.   If there is one given it is that Celticsblog overvalues our guys.   He will get offers but I doubt not as high as some here think.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: Eddie20 on December 19, 2017, 09:09:27 PM
People thought Sully would get 15 million a year and he is out of the league.   Folks thought KO would get 20 million a year.   If there is one given it is that Celticsblog overvalues our guys.   He will get offers but I doubt not as high as some here think.

Nobody thought Turner would get nearly 18M per. Everyone thought Amir would be at best a vet min guy with the way he looked late last season and the Sixers signed for 11M. That said, you're using two poor examples with the way the league has gone in undervaluing bigs. Smart's ability to guard several positions combined with his age (still only 23) will likely make him really popular in free agency. In fact, I'll say that if he performs well in the playoffs, and we know he has a history of playing well in big spots, he will get some really lucrative offers.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: trickybilly on December 20, 2017, 12:48:25 AM
I'm honestly finding it hard to see Smart even getting more than 15M/Year from another team with cap space.

It's been an extremely wild season for him, but his shooting still looks below average and now he's turning the ball over a lot more. 4/52M is what I'd give him at this point, though that might be a bit generous too.


He's shooting is the smallest problem. His numbers are even not that terrible. His ball handling and Kobe-acting, that's what's terrible. He's authorized to  do anything that crosses his mind. I gave him too much time. Can't stand him any more.

Interesting complaints. What do you mean specifically by Kobe-acting?
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: Celtics4ever on December 20, 2017, 07:58:10 AM
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That said, you're using two poor examples with the way the league has gone in undervaluing bigs.

I am directly quoting numbers touted on this board.   You seem pretty thin-skinned over the matter were you one of the folks?   Don't worry I am not going to google who said what.   But I was giving two examples of how the board overrates our guys.  You have been here awhile surely you seen folks say those very things, too.  The league has gone mad in terms of salary.   It makes one wonder how much the owners were making prior to the rise in salaries.

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In fact, I'll say that if he performs well in the playoffs, and we know he has a history of playing well in big spots, he will get some really lucrative offers.

That has to happen for it to happen.  Certainly, could and I think he will get offers.   I said it above.   But as you illustrate on Amir and Turner and I did on Sully and Kelly, there is a common theme that we agree on.    You can't count on the board to know squat about what a payer it going to get in the free market.  That was my point and you reinforced it with the examples of Turner and Amir even more.  Thanks for helping me, with making my point.  TP
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: iadera on December 20, 2017, 08:30:53 AM
I'm honestly finding it hard to see Smart even getting more than 15M/Year from another team with cap space.

It's been an extremely wild season for him, but his shooting still looks below average and now he's turning the ball over a lot more. 4/52M is what I'd give him at this point, though that might be a bit generous too.


He's shooting is the smallest problem. His numbers are even not that terrible. His ball handling and Kobe-acting, that's what's terrible. He's authorized to  do anything that crosses his mind. I gave him too much time. Can't stand him any more.

Interesting complaints. What do you mean specifically by Kobe-acting?


Kobe-figuratively meant. He thinks he's Kobe. Just pay atention when he gets the ball at the start of our possesion. Ball just stops most of the time, goes nowhere (like for 5-7 sec), he shoots or attacks the rim. When he hits the wall in the paint he'll try to pass with 2 sec left.  There are two outcomes: the less worse - he misses, the worse - turnover.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on December 20, 2017, 09:05:31 AM
I'm honestly finding it hard to see Smart even getting more than 15M/Year from another team with cap space.

It's been an extremely wild season for him, but his shooting still looks below average and now he's turning the ball over a lot more. 4/52M is what I'd give him at this point, though that might be a bit generous too.


He's shooting is the smallest problem. His numbers are even not that terrible. His ball handling and Kobe-acting, that's what's terrible. He's authorized to  do anything that crosses his mind. I gave him too much time. Can't stand him any more.

Interesting complaints. What do you mean specifically by Kobe-acting?


Kobe-figuratively meant. He thinks he's Kobe. Just pay atention when he gets the ball at the start of our possesion. Ball just stops most of the time, goes nowhere (like for 5-7 sec), he shoots or attacks the rim. When he hits the wall in the paint he'll try to pass with 2 sec left.  There are two outcomes: the less worse - he misses, the worse - turnover.

I kinda' laughed at this. I mean, I know Smart doesn't make great decisions with the ball, but this was a bit of an exaggeration. Smart averages like half of the shots per 36 minutes that Kobe averaged -- he's not a Kobe ball-stopoper. The ball stops with him because he is responsible to get into a pick-and-roll action. He normally is the one who takes the shots at the end of clocks, instead of passing it to a teammate to do the same.

Smart shows ability to play his offensive game from time to time. He is a streaky shooter, but he also shows the ability to draw fouls, loft runners, or shoot pull-ups.

He is also our best pick-and-roll passer right now, and was probably our best one last season too. He has a natural feel for getting Al easy buckets, or for reading the defense collapsing on Al and making the next read to get the corner man easy buckets.

I continue to contend his struggles are not about ability, but about rhythm. He'll never be a great scorer, but if he was in better rhythm within the offense, he would be a good team scorer.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: Phantom255x on December 20, 2017, 10:06:17 AM
If we could keep Smart at 4 years/44M or less, I'd be ecstatic honestly.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: Ed Hollison on December 20, 2017, 11:25:53 AM
There are a lot of reasons to believe he'll sign back with the Celtics next year at reasonable money.

I look at it this way: which GMs are comfortable enough and have the job security to spend big on a role player who shoots 30-something percent from the field? That takes not just guts but major organizational support. There aren't many GMs outside of Ainge that have that level of job security.

Boston is the right place for Smart, given that the organization and the fans know he's a productive player even given his poor shooting percentages, and given that their GM has lots of institutional backing.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: droopdog7 on December 20, 2017, 11:30:39 AM
There are a lot of reasons to believe he'll sign back with the Celtics next year at reasonable money.

I look at it this way: which GMs are comfortable enough and have the job security to spend big on a role player who shoots 30-something percent from the field? That takes not just guts but major organizational support. There aren't many GMs outside of Ainge that have that level of job security.

Boston is the right place for Smart, given that the organization and the fans know he's a productive player even given his poor shooting percentages, and given that their GM has lots of institutional backing.
Makes you wonder why the Celts would want to bring back that player.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: Ed Hollison on December 20, 2017, 12:55:38 PM
There are a lot of reasons to believe he'll sign back with the Celtics next year at reasonable money.

I look at it this way: which GMs are comfortable enough and have the job security to spend big on a role player who shoots 30-something percent from the field? That takes not just guts but major organizational support. There aren't many GMs outside of Ainge that have that level of job security.

Boston is the right place for Smart, given that the organization and the fans know he's a productive player even given his poor shooting percentages, and given that their GM has lots of institutional backing.
Makes you wonder why the Celts would want to bring back that player.

Because he helps your team win. That's the point: many GMs may recognize Smart's value, but few would have the guts to put big money and their reputations on the line for a player who's such a poor shooter, even if they think he can help their team.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: rondofan1255 on February 04, 2018, 01:23:42 AM
Maybe the C's are fortunate that Smart didn't sign an extension before the season started.

Since there isn't going to be a 2016 spending spree, 6-8 million?

maybe 3/20M? My guess would be he takes the QO.

I'd probably go higher and change it to 10M if he's traded before DL.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: MattyIce on February 04, 2018, 01:36:08 AM
Maybe the C's are fortunate that Smart didn't sign an extension before the season started.

Since there isn't going to be a 2016 spending spree, 6-8 million?

maybe 3/20M? My guess would be he takes the QO.

I'd probably go higher and change it to 10M if he's traded before DL.
we offered more than that
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: rondofan1255 on February 04, 2018, 01:45:43 AM
Maybe the C's are fortunate that Smart didn't sign an extension before the season started.

Since there isn't going to be a 2016 spending spree, 6-8 million?

maybe 3/20M? My guess would be he takes the QO.

I'd probably go higher and change it to 10M if he's traded before DL.
we offered more than that

That was during the Smart preseason hype. The guesses in this thread are from December when Smart had shown little to no improvement.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: TA9 on February 04, 2018, 06:02:26 AM
I can't imagine that a team would be willing to offer him big money due to his poor shooting and off court issues.

I would only bring him back if he's willing to accept a salary between 6-8 million. If not, then let him walk.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: cman88 on February 04, 2018, 06:21:30 AM
the only teams that can usually offer big $$ are poor teams. But Marcus' value is really only on a playoff/good team who can afford to hide his poor shooting on the court.

A team that would pay marcus big $$ to start and jack up 20 shots would lose a ton of games...

IMO marcus has more value to the celtics than other teams.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: Birdman on February 04, 2018, 07:31:27 AM
They will not resign him..that's why they shopping him around
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: LilRip on February 04, 2018, 07:41:43 AM
What will the MLE be? Smart is worth more than MLE but not by much. Remember when AB signed that 8m/yr contract? I think Smart is worth the modern day equivalent of that. Is that around 10m/yr now? 
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: Birdman on February 04, 2018, 08:34:24 AM
With Hayward coming back next season, maybe sign a backup SG who's better than smart...if he wants to much then I let him walk
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: Celtics4ever on February 04, 2018, 08:56:01 AM
Mostly he gets less with Ainge shopping him for a pick.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: PAOBoston on February 04, 2018, 09:08:17 AM
At this point it is apparent that Smart is no more than a defensive specialist with limited offensive capabilities. I still like him but considering the upcoming luxury tax issues I would not offer him anything above 6-8 million.  I'm also sure that he won't get more than that from any other team as well.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: SHAQATTACK on February 04, 2018, 09:21:03 AM
Brinks truck shrinking down to mini van haul


Once the ties are cut with CBS .....what have players become on other teams .   ET and Crowder ...do GM's think our players now will play as well on their club ....one without CBS at the helm.

Smarts career might last longer on Celtics for LOW contract deal in Boston where he can fit in , than to wither away in no man land on teams that can't utilize his best abilities.  His potential drop off , might be greater and faster off the Celtics roster . If I was Smart I d be doing my best to remain where I m needed.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: nickagneta on February 04, 2018, 10:14:40 AM
Before the immature picture whacking incident, I didn't think Smart was worth any more than the MLE. Now, who knows? Maybe less. He is an all-time, worst ever shooter in NBA history. He tends to be a ball stopping facillitator on offense that doesn't move the around and prefers to clear out and play a two man pick and roll. And he turns the ball over a lot. Heis an okay rebounder and plays elite defense. I just don't see wherehe is worth more than $8 million a year in today's market.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: Snakehead on February 04, 2018, 10:15:47 AM
I have absolutely zero idea so I am riding with no expectations.  I am a fan of him but I know it can be hard to keep him with how the roster is set up so I am just waiting to see.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: chilidawg on February 04, 2018, 10:45:29 AM
They will not resign him..that's why they shopping him around

Shopping him may well be a tactic to determine what other teams think his value is, and should help determine his worth in FA.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: ChillyWilly on February 04, 2018, 10:46:53 AM
There are a lot of reasons to believe he'll sign back with the Celtics next year at reasonable money.

I look at it this way: which GMs are comfortable enough and have the job security to spend big on a role player who shoots 30-something percent from the field? That takes not just guts but major organizational support. There aren't many GMs outside of Ainge that have that level of job security.

Boston is the right place for Smart, given that the organization and the fans know he's a productive player even given his poor shooting percentages, and given that their GM has lots of institutional backing.
Makes you wonder why the Celts would want to bring back that player.

Because he helps your team win. That's the point: many GMs may recognize Smart's value, but few would have the guts to put big money and their reputations on the line for a player who's such a poor shooter, even if they think he can help their team.

Please help me understand your position on this because I can't find any stat that backs up this claim.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: ChillyWilly on February 04, 2018, 10:53:11 AM
They will not resign him..that's why they shopping him around

Shopping him may well be a tactic to determine what other teams think his value is, and should help determine his worth in FA.

This is probably it as Danny isn't known to sell low on a player unless of course he thinks we're already seen the best of Smart.

I have a tin foil hat conspiracy about why they want to move Smart but it's exactly that tin foil hat conspiracy so I keep it to myself and my alien friends.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: RJ87 on February 04, 2018, 11:12:46 AM
I keep going back to Andre Roberson. An All NBA defender who can't shoot who got $30 mil for 3 years last summer. Smart might be better but will find a less hospitable cap environment this year. If he could be signed for 4/$40 I would be very, very happy.

But Andre at least understands his limitations and picks his spots wisely. He can't shoot the three well, so he doesn't force it. Most of his offense comes from cuts and finishing around the rim, and he's become very effective at that.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: Snakehead on February 04, 2018, 11:20:49 AM
Turner gets it:

https://twitter.com/AdamHimmelsbach/status/960183249191559168

Evan Turner on Marcus Smart: “He’s a kind-hearted, balls to the wall, hand to the wall type dude”
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: KGs Knee on February 04, 2018, 11:21:22 AM
Truthfully, if we keep Smart this summer, I'm kind of hoping he just takes the QO.

But if we had to sign him to a long-term deal, I don't think I'd be comfortable going higher than 3 years $27 mil (essentially the full Non-Taxpayer MLE with raises).
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: ChillyWilly on February 04, 2018, 11:25:27 AM
Turner gets it:

https://twitter.com/AdamHimmelsbach/status/960183249191559168

Evan Turner on Marcus Smart: “He’s a kind-hearted, balls to the wall, hand to the wall type dude”

No one would disagree BUT I'll take "Things you say about people you like that are under performing" for $500 Alex.
Title: Re: Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
Post by: mctyson on February 04, 2018, 11:28:36 AM
Why is this really an issue?  Ainge will extend him the qualifying offer most likely, and teams will bid him up or he will accept that.