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Re: 2021 Historical Draft: How Does My Team Look?
« Reply #45 on: December 04, 2020, 10:14:00 PM »

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PG: Tim Hardaway Sr.
SG: Joe Dumars
SF: Alex English
PF: Cliff Robinson
C: Moses Malone

My team's philosophy is gonna be a fast-paced, run and gun system that gives guys tons of great looks. We want to control the pace and keep the tempo at a breakneck speed

Moses is going to be the centerpiece of my team. In our system, we're gonna shoot a ton of shots, and that means they'll be ample opportunities for offensive boards. Who better to be in that position than the best offensive rebounder of all time? Moses will be an absolute force under the basket, and he's going to be a nightmare to defend one-on-one.

Alex English will be the driving perimeter force of the squad, as one of the most underrated scorers in NBA history. He thrived on those speedy Nuggets teams, and he'll do the same here. When I need a bucket, English will be the first guy up to bat

Tim Hardaway Sr. will be the primary ball handler on the team, opening up opportunities for every one else on the team. Hardaway will be constantly looking to push the pace, using his dazzling crossovers and great athleticism to be a menace on the fast break.

Joe Dumars will be my secondary ball handler on the team, and will both space the floor for the rest of the team and look to score when needed. Joe D was spectacular at knowing when to defer to to his teammates, and when to take over and hit the clutch shot. On defensive he'll guard the best opposing backcourt player.

Cliff Robinson will act as an off ball player, stretching the floor and playing off of the other scorers on the team. He'll take advantage of the lesser focus on him to get some easy fast break points. On defense, he'll guard the most imposing player on the other team's frontcourt.

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PG: Dennis Johnson / Jo Jo White / Stephon Marbury
SG: Sidney Moncrief / World B. Free
SF: Chris Mullin / Ron Artest
PF: Detlef Schrempf / Tom Chambers / Buck Williams
C: Ben Wallace / Andrew Bynum

Re: 2021 Historical Draft: How Does My Team Look?
« Reply #46 on: December 04, 2020, 10:26:03 PM »

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Anyone wanna give me their thoughts on my team?

PG: Manu Ginobili
SG: Kobe Bryant
SF: Ron Artest
PF: Andrei Kirilenko
C: Artis Gilmore

I think it’s safe to say the identity of my team is defence. 3 DPOY candidates in the front-court, a routine All-Defensive player in Kobe, and Manu, a guy who thrived defensively when playing alongside other great defenders to allow him to take risks.

I also like it offensively. While there’s no true point guard on the team, I think the modern NBA really lends itself to the idea of a general “ball-handler” than a typical PG. Manu is a great selfless player who could make any pass there is, so I’m pretty comfortable with that.

Kobe, naturally, will be dominating the ball, as he’s one of the greatest scorers ever to play. Not sure I believe in anyone’s ability to stop him.

Artest and AK47 were both solid offensive players too. AK was something of a streaky shooter, but I think he’d be a lot better shooting in the modern NBA. I also think Artest will relish the ability to try and bully smaller wings he’s faced with. Not many can bang with a 6’6” 250lbs athletic wing.

Gilmore is an athletic giant who reminds me a lot of Gobert. Better offensive game though, whether that’s scoring or passing. I know I can’t use his insane 24/18/3 + 5 blocks season, but he was still an elite NBA player on both ends.

Anyone got any thoughts?

I think on a lot of boards, Kobe would have been the #1 pick.  But, I wonder:  is the efficiency around him good enough?  Gilmore and Manu, definitely yes.  AK47 and Artest?  I’m not as sure.


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Re: 2021 Historical Draft: How Does My Team Look?
« Reply #47 on: December 04, 2020, 11:00:58 PM »

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Anyone wanna give me their thoughts on my team?

PG: Manu Ginobili
SG: Kobe Bryant
SF: Ron Artest
PF: Andrei Kirilenko
C: Artis Gilmore

I think it’s safe to say the identity of my team is defence. 3 DPOY candidates in the front-court, a routine All-Defensive player in Kobe, and Manu, a guy who thrived defensively when playing alongside other great defenders to allow him to take risks.

I also like it offensively. While there’s no true point guard on the team, I think the modern NBA really lends itself to the idea of a general “ball-handler” than a typical PG. Manu is a great selfless player who could make any pass there is, so I’m pretty comfortable with that.

Kobe, naturally, will be dominating the ball, as he’s one of the greatest scorers ever to play. Not sure I believe in anyone’s ability to stop him.

Artest and AK47 were both solid offensive players too. AK was something of a streaky shooter, but I think he’d be a lot better shooting in the modern NBA. I also think Artest will relish the ability to try and bully smaller wings he’s faced with. Not many can bang with a 6’6” 250lbs athletic wing.

Gilmore is an athletic giant who reminds me a lot of Gobert. Better offensive game though, whether that’s scoring or passing. I know I can’t use his insane 24/18/3 + 5 blocks season, but he was still an elite NBA player on both ends.

Anyone got any thoughts?

I think on a lot of boards, Kobe would have been the #1 pick.  But, I wonder:  is the efficiency around him good enough?  Gilmore and Manu, definitely yes.  AK47 and Artest?  I’m not as sure.
Yeah, that is something I definitely plan on addressing with my upcoming picks. Thankfully I have 3 in the next two rounds, including back-to-back picks.

Shooting is the thing I’m most looking to address. Thanks!
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: 2021 Historical Draft: How Does My Team Look?
« Reply #48 on: December 04, 2020, 11:04:37 PM »

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Houston Rockets

Starters:
PG: Terry Porter/Gus Williams
SG: Jimmy Butler
SF: Bob Dandridge
PF: Draymond Green
C: Rudy Gobert

Bench:
Terry Porter/Gus Williams

The team is obviously very defensively slanted with every player being at least an above average defender, so my thought process is to start Porter or Gus based on matchups: I'll start Porter against teams who start small guards so he can bully them and go playoff Terry while Gus will start against teams with bigger guards and do what he did so well in the late 70s/early 80s as a scoring PG who could play on or off the ball and drive offences against tough defences if needed. Think my defence will be really tough to score on so I'll be grinding games out, which my perimeter players excel at (Dandridge and Gus were the offensive figureheads of defensively slanted title teams while Butler led Miami to the finals last season in a similar manner).

Thoughts?

I think you should have gotten more value in your Butler <=> Leonard trade. However I do like Jimmy Butler. I drafted Butler in the last draft we did and got some criticism for his character issues and valuing him too highly (picked him at #41 that 2000's draft). Maybe the last playoffs have changed some opinions  ;).

You might not have that imposing iso-scorer, but I'd be comfortable having the ball in Butler's hands. My problem with your roster is that I'd want Draymond also to be a ball handler most of the time when he's on the court. In some way Butler and Green are the same type of player. They're great in making plays, but struggle to stretch the court.

I think your front two would work really well. Of course defensively it's über elite and Green is great in setting up an athletic big man via lob passes. I just think Butler and Green may get in each other's way too much.

I'm not buying that Green is a passable 3-point-shooter, because with Curry/Thompson/Durant teams were sagging off him to dare him to shoot which gave him all the time and space in the world to shoot his only league above average percentage (other years he has been poor from distance).

I'm giving all participants a TP btw. This game is enjoyable to follow and I'm very impressed with everybody's abililty to construct a balanced team with distinct identities. I'm also kind of happy that I didn't participate. Not only because of time issues, but also because I'd be in over my head  ;D.
I suggest you take a closer look at Draymond's work in 2016 - he was a legitimate three point threat who burnt teams when they sagged off of him (he shot 38.8% from 3 on 3.2 attempts per game and came up huge in the playoffs against non-OKC teams when he didn't need to bang with 2-3 bigs all by himself: he averaged 38.9 on 3.6 attempts in 5 games against Houston, 43.3% on 6 attempts in 5 games against Portland and 40.6% on 5.3 attempts in 7 games against Cleveland). It wasn't like it was a one-season wonder as well - he shot 34.4% from 3 on 3.6 attempts per game from 2015-2017 in the RS and averaged the same percentage on 4.4 attempts per game in the same span in the playoffs. This is clearly at least a slightly above league average shooter on high volume (remember that bigs weren't shooting 5, 6, 7+ threes until the last season or two) and he really has the look of a strong big man floor spacer in 2016. The claim that he was shooting them with no one around him is simply false: a quick look at the tape would show that he was used as a pop big and was a real target for kickouts before his decline. Teams respected his jumpshot well enough that some would have a big stuck onto him and close out on him quickly in defensive rotations, giving Draymond the spacing effect that stretch bigs had on offence.

I also like Butler's midrange game enough that I'm not too worried about him not being able to shoot threes at a high volume (he's just around league average on low-ish volume) - teams will still guard him in the midrange due to the threat of him getting hot and canning a good percentage of his shots from there (2020 Lakers say hello, they got absolutely scorched by Butler). But I believe that Butler's greatest quality to counteract his lack of volume three point shooting is his off-ball movement - he is a very good cutter who can be very active off the ball, so he will move into soft spots in the defence if teams sag off of him too much.

But yeah I definitely think that I should've squeezed a bit more value from the Butler/Kawhi swap.
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Re: 2021 Historical Draft: How Does My Team Look?
« Reply #49 on: December 04, 2020, 11:44:30 PM »

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Thoughts on my team?

C - Marc Gasol
PF - Paul Milsap
SF - Dan Marjerle
SG - Reggie Lewis
PG - Steve Nash
It's a contender by virtue of having Nash on your squad and filling the rest of it with two-way pieces. While I don't exactly love Lewis and Thunder Dan playing the wing spots (think you should've went with Middleton at SF and slot Thunder Dan at SG), they provide a nice mix of defence and shooting/finishing while Millsap and Gasol are great next to Nash (both of them can play the Diaw role while playing great defence).

I don't think you need a closer - Nash was one of the best "closers" in NBA history. Besides his elite shooting and transcendent passing (I don't think there's a non-Magic PG out there who peaked as highly as Nash when it comes to passing, his aggressiveness and vision uncorked so many high value layup passes by threading the needle consistently), he was a fearsome isolationist - look at how close he is to Kobe in isolation PPP thanks to his threat to shoot and handle/speed that allowed him to either get past defenders or create separation:



For those sceptical about his proficiency in isolation due to the huge difference in volume, Nash ramped up his scoring in the playoffs:



You probably do need someone who can create a bit alongside Nash to keep defences honest though (you never really want teams to hone in on one player, even if he is Michael Jordan). I think there are still some players who do well on and off the ball, you would do well to pick up one of them.
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« Reply #50 on: December 05, 2020, 12:00:49 AM »

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San Antonio Spurs

pg - Mookie
sg - Drexler
sf - Gervin
pf - Hawkins
c - Laimbeer

My thoughts with the team are that they can all play very pesky defense, crowding passing lanes forcing mistakes.
Mookie - 2.7 steals per
Drexler - 2 steals per
Gervin - 2 per game (playoff #s, the team will allow him to play harder on defense, sacrificing offense a bit, more like how he was in playoffs)
Hawkins - 2 per game
Laimbeer - 1 steal per game

That with excellent team rebounding:
Mookie - 5.5
Drexler - 6.5
Gervin - 5
Hawkins - 10.5
Laimbeer - 13.1

And the ability of anyone not named Bill leading and either passing or finishing on the break this team should be able to play strong, tough, smart defense while pressuring the ball non stop and then take any miss or steal and run it down the throat of the opposing team.

In the Halfcourt I see pick and rolls being use with Mookie and Bill, Drexler and Hawkins and Gervin able to go Iso.
I like the halfcourt offence. Drexler and Hawkins will take turns doing the heavy-lifting in terms of creation while Gervin will be scoring in bunches. I do question the fit though - Hawkins was a classic floor raiser so it's not like the aforementioned trio will be "hurr 29PPG times 3", I think there'll be diminishing returns there (the offence will still be good, but I don't think it'll be something world beating like what Jvalin is building).

The defence also looks a bit sketchy - Mookie and Laimbeer are the only elite defenders on the team. Drexler was frankly average to slightly above average at his best (gaudy stock numbers from being athletic enough to glide in for blocks and steals, but his positioning and rotations weren't that good). Gervin's defensive issues are well-documented, and Hawkins doesn't exactly have a great defensive reputation.
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« Reply #51 on: December 05, 2020, 12:09:19 AM »

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The Toronto Raptors thus far, still missing a SG, but we have a few in mind.  Overall, we think we will be able to outscore everyone, even with the guy that may be the worst offensive player on any team manning the middle.  We especially like the versatility that our 6th man brings to the big man rotation as he is a nice complement to both starters.

Guards - Tiny Archibald
Wings - Peja Stojakovic
Bigs - Karl Malone, Ben Wallace, Spencer Haywood

A 2 Time MVP, an ABA MVP, a 4 time DPOY, the only man in history to lead league in points and assists in same year, and one of the most lethal shooters ever.  Love the talent and think the fit is pretty darn good as well.
Think I need to see the rest of your picks to really evaluate your squad, but I can see how it will work: Tiny runs the offence in transition and does some halfcourt work while Malone shoulders the bulk of halfcourt creation responsibilities with his trusty old isolation and passing in the high post, with Peja and your SG providing shooting. Don't buy that you'll outscore everyone, but yeah I can see it being a strong offence. Not sure about the defence though, Malone and Wallace is definitely a great defensive frontcourt, but Tiny was a sieve in his prime while Peja is average but will likely struggle guarding star forwards because of his lack of footspeed and athleticism.
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« Reply #52 on: December 05, 2020, 12:22:03 AM »

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The Wizards through 5 rounds:

PG: John Stockton
SG: Klay Thompson
SF: Michael Redd
PF: Dennis Rodman
C: Arvydas Sabonis

I like my balance so far. 3 elite defenders (Stockton, Klay, Rodman), 2 elite playmakers (Stockton/Sabonis), and 4 guys that can all space the floor while Rodman does the dirty work inside.

I also love the idea of a Stockton Sabonis pick and roll/pop game, and both guys are so incredibly talented at making plays for others. I expect Redd and Klay to get a lot of open shots. And Redd can put the ball on the floor and create for himself as well.
Actually this is the team that I think has a lot of brides but zero bridesmaids. There is no one on this team who can self-generate his offence unless Sabonis' early years are available - Stockton wilts against elite defences when he's a main creator because of his conservatism, Redd and Thompson are finishers who require creators to feed them, Rodman certainly can't create anything on the ball and old Sabonis is good but limited.

I like the defence though - Stockton was a mean defender who pestered opposing PGs, Klay is a specialist man defender, Rodman is one of the defensive greats at PF and Sabonis was a great defensive big in the 90s and 2000s. Just think that you need someone who can create, even if it might be at the expense of Stockton (I have one particular guy in my mind who was a massive scorer and playmaker a decade or two ago who would do really well on your squad).
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« Reply #53 on: December 05, 2020, 12:31:25 AM »

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G: Mark Price
G: Drazen Petrovic
F: Julius Erving
F: Larry Nance
C: Shawn Kemp

2 shooters & 3 dunkers

So the idea here is something along the lines of those Nash - Marion - Amare Phoenix Suns with Price - Nance - Kemp in place of those three players. Uptempo run and gun basketball. Lot of PnR action. Then I got Doc and Drazen on the wings.

Doc is our best overall player but Price is probably our best offensive player with Doc and Drazen in close support. Kemp the 4th option and Nance the 5th. So a perimeter orientated attack. I wanted to keep the paint open for Doc so he could attack the rim rather than clog the paint. That was my main goal offensively. And to have a heavy emphasis on transition. The small ball was a last minute adjustment.

So we are going to try and run some of these big guys off the floor. We'll give up some hoops due to our lack of size but I believe we'll add more offensively than we give up defensively with our speed & spacing.
I think Erving is your best offensive player - some of the carry jobs he did in the early 80s were still very impressive, not '75/'76 level but he was still very good in those late prime seasons in the NBA. I like how Price and Drazen provide shooting and on-ball support to Erving while Kemp and Nance don't really need the ball to be effective.

Not sure about the defence though - Price wasn't anything special as a defender, Erving was good but he was more of a help defender and your bigs aren't exactly great at defending behemoths down low (I like Kemp's work on Hakeem in '96, but he was more of a help defender in that SOS system). Certainly not a huge issue in this draft when there are only a few centres who can really punish you inside, but I do wonder if some of those specialist Cs who're also premier offensive rebounders can dominate you on the glass (neither Kemp nor Nance were great rebounders for Cs).
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« Reply #54 on: December 05, 2020, 12:36:04 AM »

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Guard: DJ
Wings: Kawhi, Middleton
Center: Jokic

Obviously, this ain't the whole picture yet. I'm one pick behind cause I sacrificed my 3rd round pick in the Kawhi trade.

Any feedback thus far?
Strongest quartet in the draft. Kawhi and Jokic are top talents that other teams only have 1 of at most, and they fit well with each other - Kawhi's improved passing means that he's not limited to an isolation heavy game with lots of ball pounding while Jokic's high post and perimeter game fits really well with on-ball talent. DJ is an elite defensive guard who was a monster finisher in Seattle while Middleton is a two way wing who is a lights out shooter. Love the offence and I don't hate the defence with how many plus defenders you've assembled around Jokic.
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« Reply #55 on: December 05, 2020, 12:48:49 AM »

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Anyone wanna give me their thoughts on my team?

PG: Manu Ginobili
SG: Kobe Bryant
SF: Ron Artest
PF: Andrei Kirilenko
C: Artis Gilmore

I think it’s safe to say the identity of my team is defence. 3 DPOY candidates in the front-court, a routine All-Defensive player in Kobe, and Manu, a guy who thrived defensively when playing alongside other great defenders to allow him to take risks.

I also like it offensively. While there’s no true point guard on the team, I think the modern NBA really lends itself to the idea of a general “ball-handler” than a typical PG. Manu is a great selfless player who could make any pass there is, so I’m pretty comfortable with that.

Kobe, naturally, will be dominating the ball, as he’s one of the greatest scorers ever to play. Not sure I believe in anyone’s ability to stop him.

Artest and AK47 were both solid offensive players too. AK was something of a streaky shooter, but I think he’d be a lot better shooting in the modern NBA. I also think Artest will relish the ability to try and bully smaller wings he’s faced with. Not many can bang with a 6’6” 250lbs athletic wing.

Gilmore is an athletic giant who reminds me a lot of Gobert. Better offensive game though, whether that’s scoring or passing. I know I can’t use his insane 24/18/3 + 5 blocks season, but he was still an elite NBA player on both ends.

Anyone got any thoughts?
I think you'll have a team that is strong on both ends of the court assuming you get a good PG. Only have minor issues with shooting and Artest's shot selection - AK47 would definitely be a better shooter in the modern NBA, but I think he would be more of an average shooter on low volume (he was a low volume shooter with meh accuracy to begin with, and considering how close he was to the pace and space era I don't think I can give him the massive boost that I give to older talents who could shoot). I rate Artest's shooting, but you're going to have two guys who can't really space the floor (I guess you can play AK47 like how I'll play Butler, but I'm playing a more egalitarian offence where my three perimeter guys and Draymond will share the ball while you'll probably run everything through Kobe). Also think that Artest's shot selection can cause problems for your offence - he chucked up some pretty bad shots every game and that didn't change much even when he played in a reduced role (his efficiency still sucked in Houston and LA). Still one of the better teams in this draft though :laugh:
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The Sacramento Kings!!!
PG: Tim Hardaway Sr.
SG: Joe Dumars
SF: Alex English
PF: Cliff Robinson
C: Moses Malone

My team's philosophy is gonna be a fast-paced, run and gun system that gives guys tons of great looks. We want to control the pace and keep the tempo at a breakneck speed

Moses is going to be the centerpiece of my team. In our system, we're gonna shoot a ton of shots, and that means they'll be ample opportunities for offensive boards. Who better to be in that position than the best offensive rebounder of all time? Moses will be an absolute force under the basket, and he's going to be a nightmare to defend one-on-one.

Alex English will be the driving perimeter force of the squad, as one of the most underrated scorers in NBA history. He thrived on those speedy Nuggets teams, and he'll do the same here. When I need a bucket, English will be the first guy up to bat

Tim Hardaway Sr. will be the primary ball handler on the team, opening up opportunities for every one else on the team. Hardaway will be constantly looking to push the pace, using his dazzling crossovers and great athleticism to be a menace on the fast break.

Joe Dumars will be my secondary ball handler on the team, and will both space the floor for the rest of the team and look to score when needed. Joe D was spectacular at knowing when to defer to to his teammates, and when to take over and hit the clutch shot. On defensive he'll guard the best opposing backcourt player.

Cliff Robinson will act as an off ball player, stretching the floor and playing off of the other scorers on the team. He'll take advantage of the lesser focus on him to get some easy fast break points. On defense, he'll guard the most imposing player on the other team's frontcourt.

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I'm not quite sure what to make of this team. The offence should be fine even though it'll be a a bit unorthodox - you'll probably have THS doing a lot of traditional tablesetting as Malone and English move off the ball for better angles to attack while Dumars and Cliff space the floor (Dumars also gives you extra passing and another on-ball option). The defence is what I'm meh on, English and THS are average defenders, Cliff isn't as good as some of the other PFs defensively and Malone is good but not great on that end.
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Seeking for opinions about my squad, or advice on what type of players should I get to improve it.
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« Reply #58 on: December 05, 2020, 10:06:52 AM »

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Love the defensive bully-ball this team will play (both bark and bite). Think a shooter at the 2-3 spot would help you out the most
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

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I may not have the best team, but if I have a team better than the worst that means I will have won in my eyes.

Have the last pick but not the worst team. Lol.

'21 Historical Draft
PG: Kyle Lowry / Mookie Blaylock / Mark Jackson
SG: Reggie Miller / Jeff Hornacek / Nick Anderson
SF: George Gervin / George McGinnis / Kyle Korver
PF: Connie Hawkins / Serge Ibaka / Josh Smith
C: Clint Capela / Bill Laimbeer / Jusuf Nurkic