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Title: Bye bye one-and-done? Oh please get it done by 2019
Post by: libermaniac on March 05, 2018, 05:31:43 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22615784/nba-making-plans-get-involved-high-school-level-once-again-espn

With up to 4 picks in the 2019 draft, if this were put in place by then it would be HUGE for the C's.
Title: Re: Bye bye one-and-done? Oh please get it done by 2019
Post by: Csfan1984 on March 05, 2018, 05:37:11 PM
They should just open G-league up to under 19 players. Who can place names in draft of g-league. Then enter draft of NBA year after
Title: Re: Bye bye one-and-done? Oh please get it done by 2019
Post by: jambr380 on March 05, 2018, 05:46:11 PM
They should just open G-league up to under 19 players. Who can place names in draft of g-league. Then enter draft of NBA year after

The G-League is already open to under 19 y/o players (18 is the minimum age)

I certainly like the idea of the G-League over the NCAA, but would rather the draft be expanded to 3 or 4 rounds and then teams would have control of their players. This would also likely expand fan attendance for G-League games since there would be more higher level players who would be with an organization for several years.
Title: Re: Bye bye one-and-done? Oh please get it done by 2019
Post by: TomHeinsohn on March 05, 2018, 05:55:09 PM
Nobody is going to forego the exposure and prestige of playing for Duke or Xavier to make 40k in Fort Wayne
Title: Re: Bye bye one-and-done? Oh please get it done by 2019
Post by: fingerlakes on March 05, 2018, 06:13:43 PM
It will kill the college game if the best opt out.  I will not watch any NCAA games again if all the NBA prospects are in some academy. The ideas in this article all stink.  The NBA scouts often do not know who the stars will be in the draft let alone when they are 15 or 16. Let the NCAA repair its own ship.  I think the prospects should have to play at least two years in the NCAA.  Most of these kids are not ready for a mans league until at least 21 with few exceptions. These kids all get academic scholarships which can be worth 60 grand a year at many of the private institutions. Nothing to sneeze at.
Title: Re: Bye bye one-and-done? Oh please get it done by 2019
Post by: libermaniac on March 05, 2018, 06:14:04 PM
They should just open G-league up to under 19 players. Who can place names in draft of g-league. Then enter draft of NBA year after

The G-League is already open to under 19 y/o players (18 is the minimum age)

I certainly like the idea of the G-League over the NCAA, but would rather the draft be expanded to 3 or 4 rounds and then teams would have control of their players. This would also likely expand fan attendance for G-League games since there would be more higher level players who would be with an organization for several years.

Agreed.  There would never be a G-League draft.  NBA teams would retain the rights.  This bodes very well for Boston if it's implemented for 2019.
Title: Re: Bye bye one-and-done? Oh please get it done by 2019
Post by: hpantazo on March 05, 2018, 06:26:41 PM
It will kill the college game if the best opt out.  I will not watch any NCAA games again if all the NBA prospects are in some academy. The ideas in this article all stink.  The NBA scouts often do not know who the stars will be in the draft let alone when they are 15 or 16. Let the NCAA repair its own ship.  I think the prospects should have to play at least two years in the NCAA.  Most of these kids are not ready for a mans league until at least 21 with few exceptions. These kids all get academic scholarships which can be worth 60 grand a year at many of the private institutions. Nothing to sneeze at.


Is killing the college game such a bad thing? They exploit college players to make huge amounts of money , all the while knowing that the players bringing in the money will never finish their education there, and are never compensated in any way that can be remotely considered fair for the money they generate. What good is a scholarship if you only stay 1 year and never earn your degree? Its a joke.

Killing that system and allowing players to get paid themselves for their talent and hard work instead of having a wealthy university take their profit, is not a bad thing imo.
Title: Re: Bye bye one-and-done? Oh please get it done by 2019
Post by: libermaniac on March 05, 2018, 06:54:36 PM
It will kill the college game if the best opt out.  I will not watch any NCAA games again if all the NBA prospects are in some academy. The ideas in this article all stink.  The NBA scouts often do not know who the stars will be in the draft let alone when they are 15 or 16. Let the NCAA repair its own ship.  I think the prospects should have to play at least two years in the NCAA.  Most of these kids are not ready for a mans league until at least 21 with few exceptions. These kids all get academic scholarships which can be worth 60 grand a year at many of the private institutions. Nothing to sneeze at.
I don't think it will.  Many times the best players teams are not represented in the NCAA tournament - or don't make deep runs, and the games are still competitive and fun.
Title: Re: Bye bye one-and-done? Oh please get it done by 2019
Post by: Csfan1984 on March 06, 2018, 05:43:42 AM
They should just open G-league up to under 19 players. Who can place names in draft of g-league. Then enter draft of NBA year after

The G-League is already open to under 19 y/o players (18 is the minimum age)

I certainly like the idea of the G-League over the NCAA, but would rather the draft be expanded to 3 or 4 rounds and then teams would have control of their players. This would also likely expand fan attendance for G-League games since there would be more higher level players who would be with an organization for several years.
It should be HS graduate age min.

I like the idea of separate drafts. I don't like teams owning rights to a player too early or for too long. G-league should be focused on developing guys not filling seats.
Title: Re: Bye bye one-and-done? Oh please get it done by 2019
Post by: adam8 on March 06, 2018, 06:33:25 AM
It will kill the college game if the best opt out.  I will not watch any NCAA games again if all the NBA prospects are in some academy. The ideas in this article all stink.  The NBA scouts often do not know who the stars will be in the draft let alone when they are 15 or 16. Let the NCAA repair its own ship.  I think the prospects should have to play at least two years in the NCAA.  Most of these kids are not ready for a mans league until at least 21 with few exceptions. These kids all get academic scholarships which can be worth 60 grand a year at many of the private institutions. Nothing to sneeze at.
I strongly disagree, these kids should be allowed to make a living whenever someone is willing to pay them. Some guys aren't ready to play until they are 21 and they can stay in college no one is making them leave, but why would you make Lebron play two years of college? Also why does the NBA care if the corrupt NCAA has talent or not?

Also you get guys like Simmons in college who don't really put in any effort because he doesn't care it's a one year waiting period to get to the NBA for those guys. these guys should be free to make money like any other adult is.
Title: Re: Bye bye one-and-done? Oh please get it done by 2019
Post by: ederson on March 06, 2018, 06:54:45 AM
I think it was Jaylen Rose in one of the 30 for 30 episodes saying that he didn't have enough to buy pizza and he passed infront of a store selling a jersy with his name for 100$. This is extremely unfair and i fail to understand why it hasn't changed!

But i am not sure the gleague as it is workign now is the way to go. I don't follow this league at all so maybe i am wrong but don't see much development happening there. It is more of a reserve team league rather than development league.How many players did actually improve and how many gleaguers got an decent nba contract ?

Imho the best solution is to remove the min age rule and fix NCAA. 
Title: Re: Bye bye one-and-done? Oh please get it done by 2019
Post by: wiley on March 06, 2018, 12:47:21 PM
informative thread with great posts.  TP.

Meanwhile, if James Wiseman is picked at number 1, it's nice to imagine our future 2 3 and 4 as
Brown, Barrett, Tatum.  Brown and Tatum are sneaky scorers and great team players.  Barrett would add another alpha scorer imo. To get Barrett though the Sac pick would have to be number 2 (he could still go #1 too).  If not pick #2 then Zion or Reddish would be nice consolation prizes, or the best big man after Wiseman.  I'd pray for Barrett though.  What a deal Danny did with Philly. 

Title: Re: Bye bye one-and-done? Oh please get it done by 2019
Post by: kozlodoev on March 06, 2018, 01:11:41 PM
I'd love it if one-and-done goes away. I've long thought that young men need at least two year of college before they head out to the NBA.
Title: Re: Bye bye one-and-done? Oh please get it done by 2019
Post by: libermaniac on March 06, 2018, 01:26:51 PM
I'd love it if one-and-done goes away. I've long thought that young men need at least two year of college before they head out to the NBA.
Seems like a no brainer.  Give the player a choice.  Skip college entirely and go to the G-League if you are not ready, or go to college and commit to at least 2 years (with no freaking complaining).
Title: Re: Bye bye one-and-done? Oh please get it done by 2019
Post by: nickagneta on March 06, 2018, 01:43:08 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22615784/nba-making-plans-get-involved-high-school-level-once-again-espn

With up to 4 picks in the 2019 draft, if this were put in place by then it would be HUGE for the C's.
If I was Danny and got 4 picks in the first round of the 2019 draft, I would trade every one for a superstar.
Title: Re: Bye bye one-and-done? Oh please get it done by 2019
Post by: green_bballers13 on March 06, 2018, 02:42:51 PM
I think it was Jaylen Rose in one of the 30 for 30 episodes saying that he didn't have enough to buy pizza and he passed infront of a store selling a jersy with his name for 100$. This is extremely unfair and i fail to understand why it hasn't changed!

But i am not sure the gleague as it is workign now is the way to go. I don't follow this league at all so maybe i am wrong but don't see much development happening there. It is more of a reserve team league rather than development league.How many players did actually improve and how many gleaguers got an decent nba contract ?

Imho the best solution is to remove the min age rule and fix NCAA.

While I agree with Rose's thoughts, I seriously doubt that he did not have enough money to buy pizza. I think the worst kept secret in the NCAA is that the best players have been receiving benefits, going back decades.

College is for learning. Basketball is for entertainment. I don't care that much if the NCAA becomes less attractive as the top college athletes go straight to the pros. I went to the Final Four last year, and there were very few NBA players (Zach Collins, Justin Jackson, and Jordan Bell), and even those guys were not that exciting. I thought the most interesting player was Przemek Karnowski, who is now playing in Europe.

The college game is fun to watch b/c of the effort and teamwork. If you care about watching the best basketball players, you'd be better off watching the NBA.

And college is basically useless unless you graduate. Many job interviewers look to see a bachelor's degree first and foremost. It's a yes or no question.
Title: Re: Bye bye one-and-done? Oh please get it done by 2019
Post by: Tr1boy on March 06, 2018, 03:41:26 PM
This is what the NBA can do

Have three rounds in the draft. And expand the G league

This way there is option to jump straight into a pro league vs mandatory to attend college

just like the NHL.  If you want to jump into the OHL or play college hockey....its up to you
Title: Re: Bye bye one-and-done? Oh please get it done by 2019
Post by: ChillyWilly on March 06, 2018, 06:02:13 PM
Most of these kids have no interest in college much like most high school graduates. They should be able to go to work playing basketball for a living. Forcing kids to go to college is probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Expand the G-league play their game prior to the big club game. Both teams travel and have identical schedules. As a fan I'd love nothing more to see G-league games before parent club games.