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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: WEnotME5 on July 02, 2008, 01:44:11 PM
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if poseys talkinq to the lakers and siqns with them...i will str8 up lose my respect for him.I love posey but [dang] pose... to the rival lakers?. ??? why!!!!
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Is there a link or anything here?
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Clearly if moves, this is the reason.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Otko90VmHl8
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Is there a link or anything here?
http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-lakers2-2008jul02,0,4362357.story
The Lakers have talked with representatives of Boston small forward James Posey and veteran San Antonio sharpshooter Brent Barry to gauge the free agents' interest.
Posey, a key reserve for the Celtics, is expected to draw the full mid-level exception of five years and about $30 million, though the Celtics have said they consider signing him an off-season priority.
Posey, though, is studying his options, primarily on championship contenders that include the Lakers, said his agent, Mark Bartelstein.
"I would say so," Bartelstein said. "When you get a taste of a championship, you want to keep winning them. The Lakers are a great team."
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Well, he must be talking to almost every contending team in the league. I don't see a problem here.
With that being said, I don't think he'll sign with the Lakers unless they trade someone. They already have too many SFs in that roster.
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Is there a link or anything here?
http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-lakers2-2008jul02,0,4362357.story
The Lakers have talked with representatives of Boston small forward James Posey and veteran San Antonio sharpshooter Brent Barry to gauge the free agents' interest.
Posey, a key reserve for the Celtics, is expected to draw the full mid-level exception of five years and about $30 million, though the Celtics have said they consider signing him an off-season priority.
Posey, though, is studying his options, primarily on championship contenders that include the Lakers, said his agent, Mark Bartelstein.
"I would say so," Bartelstein said. "When you get a taste of a championship, you want to keep winning them. The Lakers are a great team."
Thanks, TP...
Man...talk about leverage. Mark Bartelstein is one cold blooded motha- shut yo mouth...
But Im talkin bout Bartelstein...
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Clearly if moves, this is the reason.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Otko90VmHl8
WOW, I can't believe you managed to get that stupid jingle in my head
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He's probably irked that we most likely offered Maggette more money as his replacement so that'd probably be reason enough for Pose to try and spite Danny and the management.
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I can't imagine Posey playing for coach Kobe
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I'll feel like Posey is cheating on us when I see him giving manhugs to Kobe prior to every game.
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Of course he is "talking" to those who have expressed interest; Firstly, to gauge his contract worth by comparatives and differences. A good agent would not be serving him well not to give him this advise. Only then can he make a sound judgement for his future. I for one, wish him well in whatever he so chooses.
Although I would love to see him play here again for another ring, I'll never forget his year here and rooting many times for him and being rewarded for doing so! Yet if he chooses differently, I would also like to see our Celtics play against his team for the Championship! I don't think Koby allows hugs, though ;)
Basicly, it comes down to how many years his contract offering is, I think. I can see L.A. wanting to take him away from the Celtics, if they can, and may offer him a 4 yr contract to what I'll assume is the Celtics 3 yr offering, unless D.A. only offered him a 2yr, which is something we just don't know, and which maybe something that would have p---ed James off while they offered 4 years to Corey for the MLE... That maybe something we may never know...
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The more I think about this the more I see Posey going to the Fakers.
A)The Celtics likely offered Maggette a longer deal then
Posey which likely won't sit well with him
B)The Lakers can offer him a starting role
C) If the Lakers offer him 4 years he takes it
D) This will make the Rivalry bitter
E) WE BETTER SIGN MAGGETTE OR WE ARE SCREWED!!
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The more I think about this the more I see Posey going to the Fakers.
A)The Celtics likely offered Maggette a longer deal then
Posey which likely won't sit well with him
Maggette does not want a long-term deal at the MLE. He's clearly worth more than that, but this is a particularly tough FA market for him. The teams that have cap room don't look to be particularly interested in him. So, if he signs for the MLE it will be, he's going to want it to be a Posey-like 1 year with a player option.
The Spurs would probably be the best short-term option, but Boston could conceivably offer him a huge contract extension after his player option year when Ray's contract expires.
Mike
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The more I think about this the more I see Posey going to the Fakers.
A)The Celtics likely offered Maggette a longer deal then
Posey which likely won't sit well with him
Maggette does not want a long-term deal at the MLE. He's clearly worth more than that, but this is a particularly tough FA market for him. The teams that have cap room don't look to be particularly interested in him. So, if he signs for the MLE it will be, he's going to want it to be a Posey-like 1 year with a player option.
The Spurs would probably be the best short-term option, but Boston could conceivably offer him a huge contract extension after his player option year when Ray's contract expires.
Mike
yep.
Why would Corey agree to take a paycut for 5 straight years of his prime? That would be foolish. If he comes here, it will be no longer than a 2 year deal.
Likely the same 2 year deal that Ainge started discussions with Posey over.
Ainge needed some way to gain leverage over Posey's agent, and this is it. Had Ainge not brought CM into the conversation, he would be forced to give him the full 5 years to keep him.
My prediction: we end up coming to terms with Posey for 4 yrs at full MLE.
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The Lakers first choice is to trade for Artest, if Posey signs there I'm not so sure he starts, they may shift Odom and Gasol down and insert Bynum at the Center. They could end up in a situation where they have too many starters, not a bad problem, until the owner looks at his bank account and realizes he is paying a lot for bench players.
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Is there a link or anything here?
http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-lakers2-2008jul02,0,4362357.story
The Lakers have talked with representatives of Boston small forward James Posey and veteran San Antonio sharpshooter Brent Barry to gauge the free agents' interest.
Posey, a key reserve for the Celtics, is expected to draw the full mid-level exception of five years and about $30 million, though the Celtics have said they consider signing him an off-season priority.
Posey, though, is studying his options, primarily on championship contenders that include the Lakers, said his agent, Mark Bartelstein.
"I would say so," Bartelstein said. "When you get a taste of a championship, you want to keep winning them. The Lakers are a great team."
Thanks, TP...
Man...talk about leverage. Mark Bartelstein is one cold blooded motha- shut yo mouth...
But Im talkin bout Bartelstein...
TP for the Shaft reference
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Why would Corey agree to take a paycut for 5 straight years of his prime? That would be foolish. If he comes here, it will be no longer than a 2 year deal.
So he wants to be a free agent the same year Lebron and company are? I can easily see him taking a 5 year, MLE deal with San Antonio.
The tax benefits and cost of living adjustment makes it a very viable move. He plays for a competitor and locks up his home address for a while.
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Why would Corey agree to take a paycut for 5 straight years of his prime? That would be foolish. If he comes here, it will be no longer than a 2 year deal.
So he wants to be a free agent the same year Lebron and company are? I can easily see him taking a 5 year, MLE deal with San Antonio.
The tax benefits and cost of living adjustment makes it a very viable move. He plays for a competitor and locks up his home address for a while.
No, he wants to be a free agent next off-season. He's going to sign a 1 year deal + player option for another one (Just to protect himself in case of injury).
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if poseys talkinq to the lakers and siqns with them...i will str8 up lose my respect for him.I love posey but [dang] pose... to the rival lakers?. ??? why!!!!
I'm sure your respect for him going up or down is keeping him up at night.
Look, i hate to break it to 80% of boston sports fans, but players don't hate the other teams. I knoe you do, but these are professionals, in their work enviorment. they respect each other, and they try to look for the best job situation, just like you do.
If the lakers somehow end up with the best offer, posey isn't obligated to consider how "x from quincy" will see him before doing whats best for him and his family.
I hate this "OMG WHAT A LOSERSSRSARARAWRus!" attitude from a high percentage of sports fans, its so childish and out of touch with reality.
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Why would Corey agree to take a paycut for 5 straight years of his prime? That would be foolish. If he comes here, it will be no longer than a 2 year deal.
So he wants to be a free agent the same year Lebron and company are? I can easily see him taking a 5 year, MLE deal with San Antonio.
The tax benefits and cost of living adjustment makes it a very viable move. He plays for a competitor and locks up his home address for a while.
No, he wants to be a free agent next off-season. He's going to sign a 1 year deal + player option for another one (Just to protect himself in case of injury).
I'm confused
Has Corey Maggette done this or this something you think he should/would like to do?
Has there been any indication that this is what he will actually do?
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It doesn't surprise me ... look, I know it's difficult to deal with, but if your girl is talking to another guy at the bar, you can't get jealous, maybe she needs a self-esteem boost, to know other guys are still interested. Maybe he instigated it and she's just being nice, cause she thinks he's cute, or knows his friend. Sure it's not fun, but if she comes back and nothing happened then its great and you've got an outstanding relationship, if she leaves with that guy then good, cause you don't want a girl like that around anyway.
I know it's not the same, but that's the first thing that came to my head.
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It doesn't surprise me ... look, I know it's difficult to deal with, but if your girl is talking to another guy at the bar, you can't get jealous, maybe she needs a self-esteem boost, to know other guys are still interested. Maybe he instigated it and she's just being nice, cause she thinks he's cute, or knows his friend. Sure it's not fun, but if she comes back and nothing happened then its great and you've got an outstanding relationship, if she leaves with that guy then good, cause you don't want a girl like that around anyway.
I know it's not the same, but that's the first thing that came to my head.
Hahaha well put maine.
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if poseys talkinq to the lakers and siqns with them...i will str8 up lose my respect for him.I love posey but [dang] pose... to the rival lakers?. ??? why!!!!
I'm sure your respect for him going up or down is keeping him up at night.
Look, i hate to break it to 80% of boston sports fans, but players don't hate the other teams. I knoe you do, but these are professionals, in their work enviorment. they respect each other, and they try to look for the best job situation, just like you do.
If the lakers somehow end up with the best offer, posey isn't obligated to consider how "x from quincy" will see him before doing whats best for him and his family.
I hate this "OMG WHAT A LOSERSSRSARARAWRus!" attitude from a high percentage of sports fans, its so childish and out of touch with reality.
Well said Crownsy! TP to you... If players acted like fans, then PP would have never re-upped with us. He would have went straight to the Lakers after his contract was up. He grew up HATING the Celtics!
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Oh, I hate the idea as well but James deserves to get PAID. I hope he stays with us but the man earned his day in the sun. Even if he goes to the Fakers, I will remember his glory with us forever.
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I love Posey even more than the next guy on this board (I sport a posey T shirt to every game), and I understand the desire to have him back. What I don't understand is why anyone is surprised he's talking to the Lakers, Pistons, Cavs, or anything like that. This is all a business of course, and lets not forget Posey was here all of 1 year. This isn't exactly like watching Larry Bird sign with the Lakers, folks.
If Posey signs elsewhere, I'll thank him for the year and be sure to buy tickets for whenever he's back in town to show him how much I appreciated him here... regardless of who he signs with.
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Frankly, if Danny was running the Lakers, he would go after Posey. Not only for what he offers, but because he would be a key minus from the team you are likely to face again for the ring.
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TP for Maine.
My take on Posey - it's looking increasingly likely somebody will overpay for him. Overpaying Posey, to me, is giving him more than 3 years at the full MLE. He's crucial to the team, but they have to look at it from a business perspective - with all the money they're paying now and the need to retool in probably 3-4 years, do you want to be stuck paying Posey 7 million when he's 35? Personally, I would do that, I think you have to strike while the iron is hot. THere's no telling if we will be able to retool a couple years down the road, but we know we can win now, so let's not take out a crucial part of what got us Banner 17.
Now, despite my personal opinion, I don't think Danny will go beyond 3 years of the full MLE. I think he'd give Posey 5 years if he'd stay on non-Bird rights. But if somebody offers him 4 or 5 years starting at the full MLE, they're overpaying, and he'll have to take that amount, either from whoever's offering to overpay or from Boston. Why? Because he'd be dumb not to wrap up a 5 year, $32 million or 4 year, $26 million deal when the Celtics will only give him $22 million for 5 years (non-Bird) or 3 years (full MLE). Somebody will pony up for a 4th year at the full MLE, meaning we have to give him a 4th year. And when he could get 26 for 4 years, why would he take $22 for 5? That offer, which was my hope, will not work out.
To get him back, we'll probably have to give him the 4th year, the only hope is we ask him to leave enough of the MLE to sign Bill Walker, then he gets the remainder. That would work out to a 4 year deal starting at around $5 million (about $22.5 million total). He might take that to stay in Boston. If somebody goes for 5 years, though, we might have to let him walk. I really don't want to see that happen.
Maggette will command and receive 5 year full MLE offers. He is probably worth it - he's a legit 20 ppg player and is a few years younger than Posey. He doesn't have the D, but probably has more talent. My guess, though, is that he waits to see what the 76ers and Warriors might offer him with their cap space before deciding what to do. If he doesn't get that offer, I think he'd be more likely to go to San Antonio or even the Lakers than to come here - the small forward position is wide open in those two cities, and he can step into a starting role with a proven winning team, something that will drive his value up for next year or the year after. He could drive value up by contributing here, too, but it would likely be as a Sixth Man which gives him less of a boost in terms of league valuation.
I agree with cordobes, I think he'd pull a Posey from last year and take a 2 year deal with an opt out clause so he can get back to free agency the following year and look for a little more dough.
Interesting, it's possible we could have avoided this problem had we used the LLE instead of the MLE last year to sign Pruitt. If we had given that $650,000 of MLE money to Posey instead, we'd be able to offer him a non-Bird contract starting at $4.625 mil instead of $3.85. With 4-5 years starting at 4.625, Posey might agree to stay here and let us keep the MLE, since it's only about a million less per year and a fifth year would even it all out. But there's no way he takes close to 2 million less per year on a long term deal. So not using the LLE last year gave us $1.7 or 1.8 mil extra to play with this year, but may end up costing us the $5.5 mil MLE. Obviously there was no way to know just how well Posey would work out, and I don't blame Danny for doing things that way, but it's interesting nonetheless.
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It makes sense that Posey's agent is using the Lakers for leverage. I doubt he signs there though. I can't imagine him giving the Mamba big ol' man hugs before each game.
I have a feeling the market for him might be smaller than expected. Just a gut feeling.
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I can see the Lakers signing Posey but then what do they do with Walton, Radmonovich, Ariza and Odom who are all under contract. Thats a lot of small forwards. Of course, Walton and Radmonovich stink and Odom is really overpaid but the fact remains the Lakers are stuck with them.
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According to Danny, he has not yet actually offered a deal to Maggette.
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It makes sense that Posey's agent is using the Lakers for leverage. I doubt he signs there though. I can't imagine him giving the Mamba big ol' man hugs before each game.
I have a feeling the market for him might be smaller than expected. Just a gut feeling.
i think the 4 year offers he wants will be scarcer than he thinks, but i think one or two of the 8 teams linked to him will offer it.
I don't think the lakers are one of those teams though, to many SF's already, and they seem unwilling to trade if you listen to mitch.
detroit i could really see if they want to package prince as part of a deal.
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It's hard to believe that Kobe would tolerate big hugs from James Posey throughout the year. At first he'll think that it'll show that he's a 'team guy' and that he's comfortable with his manhood. After a few games, he'll start to feel that his authority is being undermined by this bench guy. By mid-year, his ego will be unable to tolerate it and poor James will get the Kobe cold shoulder (I can hear the hidden microphone now -- just like Kenny Anderson -- "Get away from me man").
Will Sasha enjoy a man-hug? Bet not.
I am also guessing that Posey's list of Lakers pros and cons starts with 'HUG PAU' as his first con (and it's underlined).
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Nothing wrong with what you said, we just don't allow any all-caps posts. feel free to modify this again and post in acceptable capitalization.
-IP
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Wow that just gave me a headache, and I only read the first sentence.
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Wow that just gave me a headache, and I only read the first sentence.
Same... apparently from what I could read, he thinks that not signing Posey, House, and PJ will cause the Celtics to lose for 22 years.
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can we ban the caps kid?
or at least mod that post, it hurts my brain.
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Wow that just gave me a headache, and I only read the first sentence.
Same... apparently from what I could read, he thinks that not signing Posey, House, and PJ will cause the Celtics to lose for 22 years.
LOL. Hillarious.
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Wow that just gave me a headache, and I only read the first sentence.
Same... apparently from what I could read, he thinks that not signing Posey, House, and PJ will cause the Celtics to lose for 22 years.
It can be said that the initial 22 year gap was due to how we handled the departures of The Big Three. I don't see Posey, House, and PJ quite having that significance.
At this point the only one of those three in our hands is House. PJ is seriously pondering retirement. Posey is seriously pondering more money than we can possibly give him. We have the option and resources to keep Eddie around, it is up to us if we want to do it or not.
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Wow that just gave me a headache, and I only read the first sentence.
Same... apparently from what I could read, he thinks that not signing Posey, House, and PJ will cause the Celtics to lose for 22 years.
It can be said that the initial 22 year gap was due to how we handled the departures of The Big Three. I don't see Posey, House, and PJ quite having that significance.
At this point the only one of those three in our hands is House. PJ is seriously pondering retirement. Posey is seriously pondering more money than we can possibly give him. We have the option and resources to keep Eddie around, it is up to us if we want to do it or not.
I think a non-Bird offer to Eddie should suffice. At the moment I really doubt Danny is going to use full MLE on one player unless it's Maggette. I really think he's going to split the MLE on the two best people he can get between the SF/PG/C, and try to fill in the rest. I was having my doubts about Walker playing this year, but I think the door is still open to give him a shot if nothing better comes along. He looks to be in great shape (lost some good amount of weight), let's hope that his knee recovers well.
I've been a bit skeptical of offering full MLE to Posey, and little by little I convince myself that it would be a mistake to do so.
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Wow that just gave me a headache, and I only read the first sentence.
Same... apparently from what I could read, he thinks that not signing Posey, House, and PJ will cause the Celtics to lose for 22 years.
It can be said that the initial 22 year gap was due to how we handled the departures of The Big Three. I don't see Posey, House, and PJ quite having that significance.
At this point the only one of those three in our hands is House. PJ is seriously pondering retirement. Posey is seriously pondering more money than we can possibly give him. We have the option and resources to keep Eddie around, it is up to us if we want to do it or not.
I think a non-Bird offer to Eddie should suffice. At the moment I really doubt Danny is going to use full MLE on one player unless it's Maggette. I really think he's going to split the MLE on the two best people he can get between the SF/PG/C, and try to fill in the rest. I was having my doubts about Walker playing this year, but I think the door is still open to give him a shot if nothing better comes along. He looks to be in great shape (lost some good amount of weight), let's hope that his knee recovers well.
I've been a bit skeptical of offering full MLE to Posey, and little by little I convince myself that it would be a mistake to do so.
Instead of trying to convince myself that giving Posey the MLE is a mistake I've been convincing myself that he isn't going to take it. I just have a bad feeling he won't be a Celtic next year. I would give it to him because I see him as that valuable to the defense of this team. I wouldn't go over it, and I think someone will, I'm just praying he's not a Laker next year.
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Wow that just gave me a headache, and I only read the first sentence.
Same... apparently from what I could read, he thinks that not signing Posey, House, and PJ will cause the Celtics to lose for 22 years.
It can be said that the initial 22 year gap was due to how we handled the departures of The Big Three. I don't see Posey, House, and PJ quite having that significance.
At this point the only one of those three in our hands is House. PJ is seriously pondering retirement. Posey is seriously pondering more money than we can possibly give him. We have the option and resources to keep Eddie around, it is up to us if we want to do it or not.
I think a non-Bird offer to Eddie should suffice. At the moment I really doubt Danny is going to use full MLE on one player unless it's Maggette. I really think he's going to split the MLE on the two best people he can get between the SF/PG/C, and try to fill in the rest. I was having my doubts about Walker playing this year, but I think the door is still open to give him a shot if nothing better comes along. He looks to be in great shape (lost some good amount of weight), let's hope that his knee recovers well.
I've been a bit skeptical of offering full MLE to Posey, and little by little I convince myself that it would be a mistake to do so.
Instead of trying to convince myself that giving Posey the MLE is a mistake I've been convincing myself that he isn't going to take it. I just have a bad feeling he won't be a Celtic next year. I would give it to him because I see him as that valuable to the defense of this team. I wouldn't go over it, and I think someone will, I'm just praying he's not a Laker next year.
No way Posey gets more than MLE, that would be foolish from any team to do it. The Lakers can't go over it btw. Posey was huge for us, but the question is he more valuable than two impact players (whomever they are) that Danny might have in mind?
I don't know. Maybe we get a bit of a drop in the SF position, but vastly improve the PG and/or C position... that could be a good tradeoff. Who knows. There are many options out there, one has to be smart about this and not get enamored on a player that probably shouldn't be worth the MLE (in my opinion).
PS. I'm fine with offering the full MLE to Posey, as I like him. I simply question if it's the best option. At the moment, I have my doubts.
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I went to a Clippers season ticket holders party 2 seasons ago. They introduced the new Clipper girls. I was confused when they said 4 had transferred from the Suns and some of our Clipper girls had gone to other teams. I thought "How can these women cheer so intensely for our team and do the same for another team, Is it possible they aren't die hard Clipper fans?". I quickly pushed the thought aside. I can't live in that kind of world.
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Posey has rejected dannys offer of prob a three year deal worth 15 million i bet. danny won't go beyond 4 years and 20 million.(which is what posey wants)
if posey doesn't resign i wish him the best
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I went to a Clippers season ticket holders party 2 seasons ago. They introduced the new Clipper girls. I was confused when they said 4 had transferred from the Suns and some of our Clipper girls had gone to other teams. I thought "How can these women cheer so intensely for our team and do the same for another team, Is it possible they aren't die hard Clipper fans?". I quickly pushed the thought aside. I can't live in that kind of world.
You shouldn't have to. No one should. I guess its lucky for us that Boston Celtic Dancers aren't made, they are born.
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Posey has rejected dannys offer of prob a three year deal worth 15 million i bet. danny won't go beyond 4 years and 20 million.(which is what posey wants)
if posey doesn't resign i wish him the best
Do you have a source for this? I find this statement very curious.
Like most of the other posters on this topic, I tend to agree that we should sign Posey to a maximum of 4 yrs. at around $20 mil. Anything beyond that, then we let him walk. Posey is a great role player but I don't think it is wise to lock him up on a long term deal. Mid term deal at the neighborhood of 3-4 years is the best option for me.
As for Posey talking with the hated Lakers, I don't see that as a problem. He's an unrestricted free agent and his agent was just doing his job of entertaining offers from all interested parties to see what his client's worth is on the open market. But I don't think Posey would be a great fit on the Lakers considering that they have a virtual log jam on their SF lineup. The only motivation the Lakers have, for me, is that they want to weaken our lineup because as of now the Celtics are still the biggest threat to their championship dreams.
With that said, I'm not really losing sleep over the thought of BGJ signing with the Lakers cause it doesn't have much of a chance happening.
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Posey has rejected dannys offer of prob a three year deal worth 15 million i bet. danny won't go beyond 4 years and 20 million.(which is what posey wants)
if posey doesn't resign i wish him the best
any source on this tri? not doubting you, just haven't heard anything about any of our offers.
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I went to a Clippers season ticket holders party 2 seasons ago. They introduced the new Clipper girls. I was confused when they said 4 had transferred from the Suns and some of our Clipper girls had gone to other teams. I thought "How can these women cheer so intensely for our team and do the same for another team, Is it possible they aren't die hard Clipper fans?". I quickly pushed the thought aside. I can't live in that kind of world.
You shouldn't have to. No one should. I guess its lucky for us that Boston Celtic Dancers aren't made, they are born.
Haha. I guess you haven't look at Laker Girl "Whitney", who looks suspiciously like (i.e., exactly the same as) last year's Celtic Dancer "Whitney". ;)
Sadly, blog rules prohibit me from displaying photographic evidence.
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Hey guys, so last night I had a dream that the Celts were back in the Finals with LA next year, who now had Bynum, Bryant, Odom, Gasol, AND POSEY!! I specifically remember Pierce trying to get to the bucket, and Posey totally owning him... Just because Garnett came up big in his last game does not make up for the fact that in the crunch time, Pierce is our go to guy, followed by Allen, and than Garnett... So having Pierce be shut down really sucks... Do no forget that our defense was anchored by Pierce, Garnett, and POSEY...
We really have to resign this guy, because if my nightmare comes true, that cannot mean anything good for our good ol' celts...
As much as I love the Celts and hate to say it I would probably pick that Lakers team to beat this Celts team sans Posey... Posey teamed up with Garnett and Perk to make us a mean team, and one of the Lakers major problems this year is that they consisted of a bunch of pretty AAU boys, who just needed to add some toughness, which Posey could team them, and make contagious... Never forget what Posey did to Chicago... Once Posey signs with a team, hes not going to care about the past, only about what to do to win, which comes through toughness and defense...
Lets hope my nightmare will be just that, and that Danny does what he needs to to sign Posey...
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Hey guys, so last night I had a dream that the Celts were back in the Finals with LA next year, who now had Bynum, Bryant, Odom, Gasol, AND POSEY!! I specifically remember Pierce trying to get to the bucket, and Posey totally owning him... Just because Garnett came up big in his last game does not make up for the fact that in the crunch time, Pierce is our go to guy, followed by Allen, and than Garnett... So having Pierce be shut down really sucks... Do no forget that our defense was anchored by Pierce, Garnett, and POSEY...
We really have to resign this guy, because if my nightmare comes true, that cannot mean anything good for our good ol' celts...
As much as I love the Celts and hate to say it I would probably pick that Lakers team to beat this Celts team sans Posey... Posey teamed up with Garnett and Perk to make us a mean team, and one of the Lakers major problems this year is that they consisted of a bunch of pretty AAU boys, who just needed to add some toughness, which Posey could team them, and make contagious... Never forget what Posey did to Chicago... Once Posey signs with a team, hes not going to care about the past, only about what to do to win, which comes through toughness and defense...
Lets hope my nightmare will be just that, and that Danny does what he needs to to sign Posey...
I wouldn't worry about that nightmare. They might not even make the Finals without Posey.
If you look at the teams he could go to, LA and Cleveland look like the best opportunities for him. He could start and have a good shot at a title. If he stays here he's probably on the bench. I would start him over Wally or Radmonovic. The only way he wouldn't start in LA is if Bynum, Odom and Gasol all start. Which probably leaves his hometown of Cleveland as the place to go. Or sticking here in Boston. Hopefully the C's pay him and he sticks around. He's our Horry.
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I don't want him to go anywhere. :'(
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It doesn't surprise me ... look, I know it's difficult to deal with, but if your girl is talking to another guy at the bar, you can't get jealous, maybe she needs a self-esteem boost, to know other guys are still interested. Maybe he instigated it and she's just being nice, cause she thinks he's cute, or knows his friend. Sure it's not fun, but if she comes back and nothing happened then its great and you've got an outstanding relationship, if she leaves with that guy then good, cause you don't want a girl like that around anyway.
I know it's not the same, but that's the first thing that came to my head.
This is the first thing that came to my head in reading the above....
King of Swamp Castle: One day, lad, all this will be yours.
Prince Herbert: What, the curtains?
King: No, not the curtains, lad.
....
King: Listen, lad, in twenty minutes you're going to be married to a girl whose father owns the biggest tracts of open land in Britain.
Prince Herbert: But I don't want land.
King: Listen, Alice--
Prince Herbert: Herbert.
King: Herbert. We built this castle on a bloody swamp, we need all the land we can get!
Prince Herbert: But I don't like her.
King: Don't like her? What's wrong with her?! She's beautiful, she's rich, she's got huge ... tracts of land.
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Hey guys, so last night I had a dream that the Celts were back in the Finals with LA next year, who now had Bynum, Bryant, Odom, Gasol, AND POSEY!! I specifically remember Pierce trying to get to the bucket, and Posey totally owning him... Just because Garnett came up big in his last game does not make up for the fact that in the crunch time, Pierce is our go to guy, followed by Allen, and than Garnett... So having Pierce be shut down really sucks... Do no forget that our defense was anchored by Pierce, Garnett, and POSEY...
We really have to resign this guy, because if my nightmare comes true, that cannot mean anything good for our good ol' celts...
As much as I love the Celts and hate to say it I would probably pick that Lakers team to beat this Celts team sans Posey... Posey teamed up with Garnett and Perk to make us a mean team, and one of the Lakers major problems this year is that they consisted of a bunch of pretty AAU boys, who just needed to add some toughness, which Posey could team them, and make contagious... Never forget what Posey did to Chicago... Once Posey signs with a team, hes not going to care about the past, only about what to do to win, which comes through toughness and defense...
Lets hope my nightmare will be just that, and that Danny does what he needs to to sign Posey...
I wouldn't worry about that nightmare. They might not even make the Finals without Posey.
If you look at the teams he could go to, LA and Cleveland look like the best opportunities for him. He could start and have a good shot at a title. If he stays here he's probably on the bench. I would start him over Wally or Radmonovic. The only way he wouldn't start in LA is if Bynum, Odom and Gasol all start. Which probably leaves his hometown of Cleveland as the place to go. Or sticking here in Boston. Hopefully the C's pay him and he sticks around. He's our Horry.
clevland and detroit are much more practical than the lakers, they already have like 4 SF's.
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I'd offer Posey 4 years and $20 million. That would take about $4.6 of cap space this year, leaving us with about a million to sign Walker or another free agent. I'd absolutely offer that. I'd rather do the full MLE for 3 years -> prob. about $18 mil. and sign Walker to a rookie minimum 2 year deal or use the LLE for that signing, but I'm fine with 4 and 20.
Look, it might be overpaying, but you know what, if there's a time to overpay, it's now, when you have a legit chance to win back to back titles. And I'm not sure who we can get for the MLE that will give us the same contributions that Posey can. Right now, he's perfect in our system offensively and defensively. He's a leader of our team, both through words and example, much more than he's credited for. (Small example - in the LA series, Games and 4, he was the one who changed not only the defensive but also the offensive tempo by taking the ball to the basket repeatedly, even though that's not his game? Why? Because he knew we needed Paul Pierce and Ray Allen to do that to win, and he inspired them to do so. He's just a smart leader who reads the game well.) I think signing him for 4 years $20 mil or a full MLE offer is overpaying. But I think letting him go because you won't spend that will be disastrous.
There are a lot of guys who we wouldn't have won this title without. Sam Cassell won Game 1 against Cleveland. Without that game, who knows if we even make the ECF? PJ Brown was crucial to a couple of our wins. Eddie House was enormous. Leon Powe even. But those guys are replaceable. We can pick up another energetic short shooter who plays subpar to terrible defense. We can pick up another old center who can grab some key rebounds. We can find another aggressive, undersized power forward. But I don't see a lot of 6'8" defensive stoppers who can legitimately man up on everybody from Kobe Bryant to Dirk Nowitzki AND make absolutely enormous 3s when you need them most AND be a true leader. There are some guys who might be able to do that, but there's only one guy we all know can do that and has fit seamlessly into this team.
Pay him. Pay that man his mahn-ey.
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I'd offer Posey 4 years and $20 million. That would take about $4.6 of cap space this year, leaving us with about a million to sign Walker or another free agent. I'd absolutely offer that. I'd rather do the full MLE for 3 years -> prob. about $18 mil. and sign Walker to a rookie minimum 2 year deal or use the LLE for that signing, but I'm fine with 4 and 20.
Look, it might be overpaying, but you know what, if there's a time to overpay, it's now, when you have a legit chance to win back to back titles. And I'm not sure who we can get for the MLE that will give us the same contributions that Posey can. Right now, he's perfect in our system offensively and defensively. He's a leader of our team, both through words and example, much more than he's credited for. (Small example - in the LA series, Games and 4, he was the one who changed not only the defensive but also the offensive tempo by taking the ball to the basket repeatedly, even though that's not his game? Why? Because he knew we needed Paul Pierce and Ray Allen to do that to win, and he inspired them to do so. He's just a smart leader who reads the game well.) I think signing him for 4 years $20 mil or a full MLE offer is overpaying. But I think letting him go because you won't spend that will be disastrous.
There are a lot of guys who we wouldn't have won this title without. Sam Cassell won Game 1 against Cleveland. Without that game, who knows if we even make the ECF? PJ Brown was crucial to a couple of our wins. Eddie House was enormous. Leon Powe even. But those guys are replaceable. We can pick up another energetic short shooter who plays subpar to terrible defense. We can pick up another old center who can grab some key rebounds. We can find another aggressive, undersized power forward. But I don't see a lot of 6'8" defensive stoppers who can legitimately man up on everybody from Kobe Bryant to Dirk Nowitzki AND make absolutely enormous 3s when you need them most AND be a true leader. There are some guys who might be able to do that, but there's only one guy we all know can do that and has fit seamlessly into this team.
Pay him. Pay that man his mahn-ey.
Exactly, my man and a TP for saying so convincingly and with conviction!
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Hey guys, so last night I had a dream that the Celts were back in the Finals with LA next year, who now had Bynum, Bryant, Odom, Gasol, AND POSEY!! I specifically remember Pierce trying to get to the bucket, and Posey totally owning him...
Last night I had a nightmare that Posey signed with Miami again, and I was reading about it on the ESPN ticker. I'm sure Miami is not a realistic suitor in real life, but him signing anywhere other than Boston would be a nightmare for me, even if he's replaced with a quality player like Magette, Barnes, or Pietrus. Please Danny, don't throw away this team's glue guy!
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Hey guys, so last night I had a dream that the Celts were back in the Finals with LA next year, who now had Bynum, Bryant, Odom, Gasol, AND POSEY!! I specifically remember Pierce trying to get to the bucket, and Posey totally owning him...
Last night I had a nightmare that Posey signed with Miami again, and I was reading about it on the ESPN ticker. I'm sure Miami is not a realistic suitor in real life, but him signing anywhere other than Boston would be a nightmare for me, even if he's replaced with a quality player like Magette, Barnes, or Pietrus. Please Danny, don't throw away this team's glue guy!
It won't be danny's fault - it will be the agent's.
Posey doesn't deserve a 5 year deal, I'm sorry. He'd be on the books longer than Pierce and KG. Give me a break.
3 years at MLE sounds fair to me.
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Hoopsworld: Sources close to the situation contend James Posey would love to be a Laker and that the Lakers are willing to go the full exception to land him.
Please don't make me lose all my respect for you Po-Z....anywhere but there. HoopsWorld is a doo-doo source anyways....but...
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I have to fight a nagging feeling that Posey is overrated. I hate the cliche, but his value really is in the intangibles, not necessarily the numbers. There are certain things he brings to the team that you can't replace with a like body or shot... That said, I'm betting that Ainge won't overpay for him. He'll set a value and say all the right things. What it will come down to is does someone else make Posey a ridiculous offer he can't refuse. I mean if it were one of us and we'd made a certain level of income and then our value was perceived to be higher and someone offered us monopoly $, we'd take it, I expect Posey to do the same if the $ is there. Perhaps I'll be pleasantly surprised. A man can hope.
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Hey guys, so last night I had a dream that the Celts were back in the Finals with LA next year, who now had Bynum, Bryant, Odom, Gasol, AND POSEY!! I specifically remember Pierce trying to get to the bucket, and Posey totally owning him...
Last night I had a nightmare that Posey signed with Miami again, and I was reading about it on the ESPN ticker. I'm sure Miami is not a realistic suitor in real life, but him signing anywhere other than Boston would be a nightmare for me, even if he's replaced with a quality player like Magette, Barnes, or Pietrus. Please Danny, don't throw away this team's glue guy!
It won't be danny's fault - it will be the agent's.
Posey doesn't deserve a 5 year deal, I'm sorry. He'd be on the books longer than Pierce and KG. Give me a break.
3 years at MLE sounds fair to me.
I suspect this is where it is at. D.A. is offering something like 5mil of the MLE for 3 years and Poze would except that but wants a 4 yr contract with us and is talking to L.A. about a five year contract. Tough business call on James part, and if i
were him I would have to sign where the longest contract is offered if it makes a 13 millon difference, and I don't like tieing our hand for that long, but maybe for 4 years @ 5 million ea. as a last counter offer!?!
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Someone has probably said this already, as I haven't read every post on this subject in the forums, but this kinda reminds me of the Mike Lowell situation last year. Everyone was all freaked out that Lowell was gonna get this enormous contract somewhere else, but when it came down to it, Boston had the best offer (or tied for the best offer). Yes, of course Cleveland and LA sound like plausible destinations, but those are really the only teams that make sense and is it worth it to them to totally overpay? When it comes down to it, hopefully a nice 3-year 15 mill contract is accepted...
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If I'm Posey I'm weighing:
LA:
WAY better weather
Nicer chicks by far (with or without enhancements)
Kobe and all that it entails as a "teammate"
Boston:
play with Ubuntu and KG, PP and RA
absolutely miserable weather (if you go by the last 12 months, for sure)
Grab another ring.
If I'm Posey, I have to admit it's tempting.
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If I'm Posey I'm weighing:
LA:
WAY better weather
Nicer chicks by far (with or without enhancements)
Kobe and all that it entails as a "teammate"
Boston:
play with Ubuntu and KG, PP and RA
absolutely miserable weather (if you go by the last 12 months, for sure)
Grab another ring.
If I'm Posey, I have to admit it's tempting.
I don't think LA is looking to drop a full MLE for 4 years on Posey. They're more focused on keeping Turiaf and Vujacic. They can't loose those 2, especially Vujacic. I don't think LA (and its lack of a big offer) is weighing that heavily on Posey's mind.
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If I'm Posey I'm weighing:
LA:
WAY better weather
Nicer chicks by far (with or without enhancements)
Kobe and all that it entails as a "teammate"
Boston:
play with Ubuntu and KG, PP and RA
absolutely miserable weather (if you go by the last 12 months, for sure)
Grab another ring.
If I'm Posey, I have to admit it's tempting.
Yeah, chicks & nice weather and higher cost of living/taxes on a reasonable mansion in Malibu vs weather he is used to and a virtual pick of the litter of NorthEastern chicks still high taxes but more reasonable cost for a 5000sqft crib... Tough on him, I know, I know ::) LOL
Of course, they're on the road a third of the year, anyways...
But more seriously, feeling comfortable in your teamates and a continuation of a role on a team that is now well along in its gelling mode and as good of a shot at another ring as anywhere else vs team anti-Ubuntu still in shake-up mode with a headcase for its leader, although wining always helps with that, things seem much more in flux moving into that clubhouse IMO...
Now's the time to pick up a nice underpriced waterfront crib out in Cal. though, I guess, and after seeing K.G. place out there, no doubt it gives one some ideas too...
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If I'm Posey I'm weighing:
LA:
WAY better weather
Nicer chicks by far (with or without enhancements)
Kobe and all that it entails as a "teammate"
Boston:
play with Ubuntu and KG, PP and RA
absolutely miserable weather (if you go by the last 12 months, for sure)
Grab another ring.
If I'm Posey, I have to admit it's tempting.
Yeah, chicks & nice weather and higher cost of living/taxes on a reasonable mansion in Malibu vs weather he is used to and a virtual pick of the litter of NorthEastern chicks still high taxes but more reasonable cost for a 5000sqft crib... Tough on him, I know, I know ::) LOL
Of course, they're on the road a third of the year, anyways...
But more seriously, feeling comfortable in your teamates and a continuation of a role on a team that is now well along in its gelling mode and as good of a shot at another ring as anywhere else vs team anti-Ubuntu still in shake-up mode with a headcase for its leader, although wining always helps with that, things seem much more in flux moving into that clubhouse IMO...
Now's the time to pick up a nice underpriced waterfront crib out in Cal. though, I guess, and after seeing K.G. place out there, no doubt it gives one some ideas too...
No question, Posey with the Big 3 and the youngsters were a magical combination this year. I just wonder if he'd be up for a change of scenery. We'll find out where his priorities are soon enough. If I were in his place I wonder if I'd be willing to resist the land of In-n-Out Burger and the Green Flash. Depending upon the contract he could get a place in Malibu down the street from KG.
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Who the hell cares if Posey gets a 5 year contract as opposed to a 4 year contract? Keep this unit together! They just won the championship, and Posey was a big part of it! We are not in rebuilding mode, they rebuilt again and again, and finally got it right. Keep this team together. By the time Posey's at the end of his contract, the window of opportunity with KG, PP and RA will be closed anyway, so who cares? Win now! Keep him, whatever the cost!
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Who the hell cares if Posey gets a 5 year contract as opposed to a 4 year contract?
The guys who have to pay for the contract.
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Who the hell cares if Posey gets a 5 year contract as opposed to a 4 year contract? Keep this unit together! They just won the championship, and Posey was a big part of it! We are not in rebuilding mode, they rebuilt again and again, and finally got it right. Keep this team together. By the time Posey's at the end of his contract, the window of opportunity with KG, PP and RA will be closed anyway, so who cares? Win now! Keep him, whatever the cost!
We will when he gets to the end of the contract. We will when he is not longer as effective, but his cap hit keeps the Celtics from adding a younger more talented player because of tax issues.
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Who the hell cares if Posey gets a 5 year contract as opposed to a 4 year contract? Keep this unit together! They just won the championship, and Posey was a big part of it! We are not in rebuilding mode, they rebuilt again and again, and finally got it right. Keep this team together. By the time Posey's at the end of his contract, the window of opportunity with KG, PP and RA will be closed anyway, so who cares? Win now! Keep him, whatever the cost!
We will when he gets to the end of the contract. We will when he is not longer as effective, but his cap hit keeps the Celtics from adding a younger more talented player because of tax issues.
Yep. Whether the "big three" are here in four or five seasons or not, we don't want a lot of bad contracts clogging our payroll flexibility.
I say three years max, unless he wants to sign a very reasonable deal, salary wise. I'd potentially give him money or years, but not both.