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Around the League => The Draft => Topic started by: Androslav on November 09, 2018, 04:43:06 AM
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Who is Luka Šamanić?
Why is Androslav bothering us with yet another Croatian prospect?
Is he just a different way to say, Dragan Bender?
I will answer these questions shortly, after these videos...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxWchEpXe4g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=60&v=7Mc6SQf838E
Luka Šamanić (Shamanich, good nickname potential alert) is a Croatian born 6'11'' PF that plays for Slovenian club Petrol Olimpia. Last year he won the gold and MVP honors in the FIBA U18 Europen championship. He also played for Barcelona's 2nd team the season before. His father Marko, was a professional basketball player.
Scouting reports:
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Luka-Samanic-98706/
https://www.nbascoutinglive.com/luka-samanic-scouting-report
http://www.nbadraftroom.com/p/luka-samanic.html
Personally, I like his offensive skill set, he can shoot, pass and even dribble some. He is projected as a 1st round pick in the 18-25 range, and that might be where several of our picks land, so it might be worth to check him out.
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That windmill dunk was nasty
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If his outside shot is a lock, then he's a perfect stash with one of our multitude of picks. If his shot his iffy...stash someone else, or combine worst three picks to move up to late lottery or so..mid lottery if Griz pick is already late lottery. Then we'd have two mid lottery picks.
This draft is a curious one imo. A bit more wild west than usual. Still some meteors to hit it seems and shake up the order.
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PS: Where does Givony have Samanic? (and everyone else in the draft...?)
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If he’s even 10% as good as the other Luka, he will make it in the nba
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Assuming we dont trade the picks, I'd love to take a flier on him with the celtics 1st.
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Nice find andro. And with luka as his name how can he miss? ;D
It is only highlights, but his offense reminded me of a slightly awkward Tatum. Nice passes and shooting.
But what about his defense? And does he play good team basketball? I remember thinking herzonga was going to be good.
Hvala vam.
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Very likeable guy. He seems to play in and outside right now, but in the NBA his game will primarily be on the perimeter.
With his passing, shooting stroke, speed and vision he could become an allround offensive player, who stretches the floor.
Someone who would be available with our (potential) Clippers' pick?
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PS: Where does Givony have Samanic? (and everyone else in the draft...?)
He has him going to the Celtics with the #27 pick.
https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2019/01/boston-celtics-mock-draft-kentuckys-keldon-johnson-pj-washington-projected-to-boston-by-espn.html
Here's a nice write up of him from the Stepien.
https://www.thestepien.com/2018/11/16/ever-volatile-draft-stock-luka-samanic/
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PS: Where does Givony have Samanic? (and everyone else in the draft...?)
He has him going to the Celtics with the #27 pick.
https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2019/01/boston-celtics-mock-draft-kentuckys-keldon-johnson-pj-washington-projected-to-boston-by-espn.html
Here's a nice write up of him from the Stepien.
https://www.thestepien.com/2018/11/16/ever-volatile-draft-stock-luka-samanic/
Thank you! If he turned out as good as Kurucs one day that would be a late first round steal...I guess he's a bit taller..
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I like this kid a lot as a late 1st round pick. He looks like a modern NBA player. He is still a little raw but he looks like he could be a player. This year he's averaging 11.5 pts 7.2 rbs, 2 asts 2 blks. He's 21 years old which I guess is considered old in the draft now but I think he's a good sleeper pick. Anyone else seen more of him and care to comment?
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Maybe he's an early second rounder....
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KsHFcEjjyI
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http://www.nbaanalysis.net/2018/10/07/breaking-down-underrated-isaiah-roby-skill-set/
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Very interesting player. Nice find.
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TP! Nice find right here.
His defence, shooting, passing and versatility makes him seem right up Danny's alley. He might even be able to come in and play ~10MPG if we lose Morris
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Add him to the intriguing 6'8" ers.....
Hachimura
Hunter
Grant Williams
PJ Washington
Roby
I think that's the order I'd want these guys in...but no clue. Like Williams' size for future (PF and center) And Hachimura seems talented and as big as Morris or a bit bigger (PF/SF)
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Add him to the intriguing 6'8" ers.....
Hachimura
Hunter
Grant Williams
PJ Washington
Roby
I think that's the order I'd want these guys in...but no clue. Like Williams' size for future (PF and center) And Hachimura seems talented and as big as Morris or a bit bigger (PF/SF)
I have no disagreement with that list and might even add Brandon Clark, Kris Wilkes and Doumbouya all ahead of Roby. Roby is the one most flying under the radar. He's not on a lot of draft lists at all and a second rounder on a few...
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Add him to the intriguing 6'8" ers.....
Hachimura
Hunter
Grant Williams
PJ Washington
Roby
I think that's the order I'd want these guys in...but no clue. Like Williams' size for future (PF and center) And Hachimura seems talented and as big as Morris or a bit bigger (PF/SF)
I have no disagreement with that list and might even add Brandon Clark, Kris Wilkes and Doumbouya all ahead of Roby. Roby is the one most flying under the radar. He's not on a lot of draft lists at all and a second rounder on a few...
I forgot Doumbouya! I think he'd be my second choice after Hachimura at 14 (as far as guys around that size).
As for late first or early second, Roby looks solid. I wouldn't be surprised if he sneaks into more mocks as the solid guys start making sense with later picks.
I'm intrigued by Killian Tillie....something about him tells me he'll be good when he's stronger.
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Add him to the intriguing 6'8" ers.....
Hachimura
Hunter
Grant Williams
PJ Washington
Roby
I think that's the order I'd want these guys in...but no clue. Like Williams' size for future (PF and center) And Hachimura seems talented and as big as Morris or a bit bigger (PF/SF)
I have no disagreement with that list and might even add Brandon Clark, Kris Wilkes and Doumbouya all ahead of Roby. Roby is the one most flying under the radar. He's not on a lot of draft lists at all and a second rounder on a few...
I forgot Doumbouya! I think he'd be my second choice after Hachimura at 14 (as far as guys around that size).
As for late first or early second, Roby looks solid. I wouldn't be surprised if he sneaks into more mocks as the solid guys start making sense with later picks.
I'm intrigued by Killian Tillie....something about him tells me he'll be good when he's stronger.
Isn't Tillie injured? He might fall back because of that....
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Interview with Luka on Hoopshype:
https://hoopshype.com/2019/04/22/luka-samanic-nba-draft-interview-international-prospects/
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I don't have much hope of the Celtics drafting a good Euro.
Not because Samanic isn't good, but because I'm pretty sure the Celtics' European scouting department consists of a drunken chimpanzee throwing darts at a board with players names on it.
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I don't have much hope of the Celtics drafting a good Euro.
Not because Samanic isn't good, but because I'm pretty sure the Celtics' European scouting department consists of a drunken chimpanzee throwing darts at a board with players names on it.
Why? Yabu turned out to be fine player. :)
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I don't have much hope of the Celtics drafting a good Euro.
Not because Samanic isn't good, but because I'm pretty sure the Celtics' European scouting department consists of a drunken chimpanzee throwing darts at a board with players names on it.
Actually,if they do use a drunken chimp? Just on sheer statistical probability he would've gotten one by now.
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Thanks for this good looking player, Androslav! I have a thought.
Samanic + 30 pounds - criminal record = Zinger
Ainge'll trade him for a streaky combo guard, I just know it.
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I don't have much hope of the Celtics drafting a good Euro.
Not because Samanic isn't good, but because I'm pretty sure the Celtics' European scouting department consists of a drunken chimpanzee throwing darts at a board with players names on it.
Actually,if they do use a drunken chimp? Just on sheer statistical probability he would've gotten one by now.
What about Jerebko (the Swedish Larry Bird!) and Daniel Theis (the German Jerebko...)?
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Hopefully, we won't have any picks to take him because that means that AD will be here. If we do have picks, he looks interesting. I like the 39" vertical leap and excellent foul shooting. Don't like his lack of strength and erratic 3P shooting. If he is going to be a finesse player in the NBA, he simply has to shoot the 3 better. Interesting. TP.
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My Draft binkie this year Isaiah Roby Pos. PF/SF Body fat%3.90% Hand Length 9.00 Hand Width 10.50 Height W/O Shoes 6' 7.25'' With Shoes 6' 8.5'' Standing Reach 8' 10'' Weight 214.0 Wingspan 7' 1''
Last year it was Isaac Bonga....
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Rising:
https://www.cornnation.com/2019/5/17/18625084/friday-flakes-isaiah-roby-is-making-a-good-impression-at-the-nba-combine-nebraska-huskers
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I like Roby, but I like Luka Samanic more.
But wait, I also like Roby!
DARN IT, LET ME HAVE BOTH!
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I like Roby, but I like Luka Samanic more.
But wait, I also like Roby!
DARN IT, LET ME HAVE BOTH!
I like Luka's shot also the fact that he can be a stash pick is good. Two second round picks that could move up...
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erratic 3P shooting
He will be a lock in for us with that....JK
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Excellent find Androslav! I've just seen what you've sent but I'd now really want the Celtics to draft him, he'd be great for the movement I want in terms of talent acquisition for the Celtics (acquire mobile and skilled size in the frontcourt while not downsizing the backcourt). TP for the find, I almost thought there would be no such forwards available in our pick range.
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@Somebody thanks my HK friend.
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He seems to be moving up after decent measurements but I don't see him cracking the top 25 and he is on my binky list so not hating on him.
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I like that every description of him coming from the combine mentions how well he handled switching on defense, including switching onto guards and perimeter players.
As for the areas that need improvement, it's important to remember that he's only 19. I'm sure the Celtics brass are taking a serious look at him.
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I like both these guys in the 20s of the draft:
Luka Samanic -- The 6-foot-10 forward “made friends” within the scouting community after flashing his smooth athleticism, steady shooting stroke and hoops smarts during Thursday’s session. Samanic entered the Combine outside the top 30-35 selections. That probably won’t be the case soon.
Isaiah Roby -- Hey, an upperclassman. The 6-foot-8 forward with a 7-foot-1 wingspan made noise with his full-court skills and defensive versatility. According to one source, Roby would stay in the draft if a top 40 selection. How teams decipher his limited shooting numbers last season -- 33 percent on 3-pointers, 68 percent from the free throw line -- could determine which side of that projection he falls.
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I like Roby, though I worry his offense in the NBA will be too much like Semih's (non-existant) to get him on the court ever. He measured out better than I expected at the combine. I think he's likely to stay in the draft at this point based on the local chatter. (I live in Omaha)
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I like Roby, though I worry his offense in the NBA will be too much like Semih's (non-existant) to get him on the court ever. He measured out better than I expected at the combine. I think he's likely to stay in the draft at this point based on the local chatter. (I live in Omaha)
He would be crazy value if we could grab him with our second round pick. Roby shot 33% on 3s this year on 2.4 attempts and 40% last year on 1.3 attempts. 70% free throw shooter. He averaged 1.9 ast .8 stl 1.9 Blk. He seems better suited to be a role player with more room to work in The NBA than the focal point of an offense. Maybe a little like Jonathan Isaac in Orlando.
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The more I look at Luka Samanic the more I like him including a good showing the NBA combine.
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Maybe Golden State grabs him at 28.
https://www.apnews.com/9aee7a6cc8224f3fa2979bbb2d074683
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I hope he comes out:
https://www.1011now.com/content/sports/Roby-weighs-NBA-option-510199011.html
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Maybe The Spurs will snag him at 29....
https://projectspurs.com/2019/05/21/san-antonio-spurs-prospect-watch-isaiah-roby/
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Maybe The Spurs will snag him at 29....
https://projectspurs.com/2019/05/21/san-antonio-spurs-prospect-watch-isaiah-roby/
looks good on highlights
but statwise looks like a guy that lacks consistency
reading scouting reports that some games he will appear like a 1st round prospect but in other games not into the game
* I mean I could see Danny reaching for him at 22 due to potential
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Maybe The Spurs will snag him at 29....
https://projectspurs.com/2019/05/21/san-antonio-spurs-prospect-watch-isaiah-roby/
looks good on highlights
but statwise looks like a guy that lacks consistency
reading scouting reports that some games he will appear like a 1st round prospect but in other games not into the game
* I mean I could see Danny reaching for him at 22 due to potential
He's definitely a gamble but taking a swing on potential is what picks in the 20s are all about. He looked really good at the combine. Miye Oni looked very good too, nice stroke. I guess I'm higher on this draft than most. I think it will be full of useful players. Both Oni and Roby are on and off again players. If they were more consistent and/or younger they would be locks for the 1st round.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvh7B3scsSo
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More Draft info: https://www.si.com/nba/2019/05/17/nba-draft-combine-grant-williams-tacko-fall-tremont-waters-nic-claxton
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Roby and Samanic could both move into the 1st round....
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nba/2019/05/18/five-prospects-who-moved-up-five-who-moved-down-nba-draft-combine/3719239002/
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The Kings are interested Roby: https://www.nba.com/kings/news/sacramento-kings-announce-second-and-third-pre-draft-workouts
This was a nice break down:
http://www.nbaanalysis.net/2018/10/07/breaking-down-underrated-isaiah-roby-skill-set/
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I think Samaric is a tremendous prospect and most teams who pass on him will regret it.
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I think Samaric is a tremendous prospect and most teams who pass on him will regret it.
Yeah, A 6'11" guy who moves like a guard and can shoot is a good prospect. I could even seeing him moving up after workouts.
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Some good footage of Samaric:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2837203-nba-draft-2019-1st-round-mock-draft-and-predictions-for-top-underrated-players
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I think Samaric is a tremendous prospect and most teams who pass on him will regret it.
Yeah, A 6'11" guy who moves like a guard and can shoot is a good prospect. I could even seeing him moving up after workouts.
He doesn't move like a guard on defense.
He is Jerekbo right now. I don't think he goes early than 25.
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I think Samaric is a tremendous prospect and most teams who pass on him will regret it.
Yeah, A 6'11" guy who moves like a guard and can shoot is a good prospect. I could even seeing him moving up after workouts.
i agree. this guy seems to be quite skilled and i would not mind the celtics getting him in the draft. tps for both you for spotting him.
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I think Samaric is a tremendous prospect and most teams who pass on him will regret it.
Yeah, A 6'11" guy who moves like a guard and can shoot is a good prospect. I could even seeing him moving up after workouts.
He doesn't move like a guard on defense.
He is Jerekbo right now. I don't think he goes early than 25.
I think he looks more like becoming a more athletic higher potential version of Mirotic than Jerebko.
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I think Samaric is a tremendous prospect and most teams who pass on him will regret it.
Yeah, A 6'11" guy who moves like a guard and can shoot is a good prospect. I could even seeing him moving up after workouts.
He doesn't move like a guard on defense.
He is Jerekbo right now. I don't think he goes early than 25.
I think he looks more like becoming a more athletic higher potential version of Mirotic than Jerebko.
Yeah; his measurables are intriguing and he played well in the scrimmages. His shuttle run, max vertical leap and three-quarter court sprint that all rated inside the top five of draft-eligible players at his position.
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https://www.lineups.com/articles/top-5-player-standouts-2019-nba-draft-combine/
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Samanic and NAW.
Then whatever.
Alexander walker
Brown
Tatum
Samanic
Horford
Smart/hayward/morris/baynes/williams off bench
Boom. 10 years of winning basketball.
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Samanic and NAW.
Then whatever.
Alexander walker
Brown
Tatum
Samanic
Horford
Smart/hayward/morris/baynes/williams off bench
Boom. 10 years of winning basketball.
That would be my picks aswell, but ultimately I would like to have a true big at the center position. But maybe the timelord can become a building block in time.
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Samanic and NAW.
Then whatever.
Alexander walker
Brown
Tatum
Samanic
Horford
Smart/hayward/morris/baynes/williams off bench
Boom. 10 years of winning basketball.
That would be my picks aswell, but ultimately I would like to have a true big at the center position. But maybe the timelord can become a building block in time.
Yeah, that would be the hope.
But there are other options to stack the center deck too.
I mean if NAW at 14, Samanic at 20, there are still true centers available at 22.
Also there is the ability to offer full non taxpayer MLE to a Center
Whiteside if he opts out might very well want to bet himself on a 1 year deal (would be a good player for Williams to learn from)
Dedmon is a solid option for Center, would create a very good rebounding, defensive, 3pt shooting front court sliding Horford to the PF spot.
and IMO, another little Binkie of mine, and a player who is poised for a breakout, and a player who might get lost in Finances even though he is a restricted free agent, is Thomas Bryant. Only 21, good 3pt shooter, great rebounder, great size, great defense, super motor. Washington is in bad salary cap situation as evidenced by this article
https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/wizards/after-breakout-season-thomas-bryant-wants-stay-wizards-why-would-i-want-leave (https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/wizards/after-breakout-season-thomas-bryant-wants-stay-wizards-why-would-i-want-leave)
Washington already has Dwight and Mahinmi under contract for a combined 20 million next season, need to reup Satoransky and Dekker and Portis, and will have a draft pick to sign, they will be up over the Cap. (they would be over 90 million with just Beal, Wall, Mahinmi, Howard, Brown Junion and their draft pick)
I could seee Bryant being pried away with a nice backloaded Contract starting at full MLE (9.6 mill) year 1 and jumping to a 15 mill or so by year 3. (4th year team option)