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1.Nomar Garciaparra
2.Manny Ramirez
3.Johnny Damon
4.Trot Nixon
5.David Ortiz
6.Shea Hillenbrand
7.Derek Lowe
8.Pedro Martinez
9.Brian Roberts
10.Jay Gibbons
11.Melvin Mora
12.Jerry Hairston
13.Jason Giambi
14.Alfonso Soriano
15.Raul Mondesi
16. Aaron Boone
17.Andy Pettitte
18.Jose Contreras
19.Roger Clemens
20.Carlos Delgado
21.Vernon Wells
22.Frank Catalanotto
23.Kenny Rogers
24.Magglio Ordonez
25.Sandy Alomar
26.Bartolo Colon
27.Brent Abernathy
28.Jose Lima
29.Milton Bradley
30.Casey Blake
31.Danys Baez
32.Craig Monroe
33.Dmitri Young
34.Alex Sanchez
35.Eric Chavez
36.Miguel Tejada
37.Eric Byrnes
38.Jose Guillen
39.Keith Foulke
40.Ricardo Rincon
41.Bret Boone
42.Mike Cameron
43.Randy Winn
44.Ryan Franklin
45.Freddy Garcia
46.Rafael Soriano
47.Scott Spiezio
48.Troy Glaus
49.Francisco Rodriguez
50.Ben Weber
51.Alex Rodriguez
52.Juan Gonzalez
53.Rafael Palmeiro
54.Carl Everett
55.Javy Lopez
56.Gary Sheffield
57.Mike Hampton
58.Ivan Rodriguez
59.Derrek Lee
60.Bobby Abreu
61.Terry Adams
62.Fernando Tatis
63.Livan Hernandez
64.Hector Almonte
65.Tony Armas
66.Dan Smith
67.Roberto Alomar
68.Cliff Floyd
69.Roger Cedeno
70.Jeromy Burnitz
71.Moises Alou
72.Sammy Sosa
73.Corey Patterson
74.Carlos Zambrano
75.Mark Prior
76.Kerry Wood
77.Matt Clement
78.Antonio Alfonseca
79.Juan Cruz
80.Aramis Ramirez
81.Craig Wilson
82.Kris Benson
83.Richie Sexson
84.Geoff Jenkins
85.Valerio de los Santos
86.Benito Santiago
87.Rich Aurilia
88.Barry Bonds
89.Andres Galarraga
90.Jason Schmidt
91.Felix Rodriguez
92.Jason Christiansen
93.Matt Herges
94.Paul Lo Duca
95.Shawn Green
96.Oliver Perez
97.Adrian Beltre
98.Eric Gagne
99.Guillermo Mota
100.Luis Gonzalez
101.Todd Helton
102.Ryan Klesko
103.Gary Matthews
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Number 8 hurts the most
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Number 8 hurts the most
How legit is this? its not being reported anyplace else
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one more reason why I'm done with baseball for the foreseeable future
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one more reason why I'm done with baseball for the foreseeable future
Ya cause everybody is clean in basketball. Dwight isnt on anything
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Was this just on the radio? Where else is it being reported? Seeing Papi and Pedro on there is certainly gut wrenching.
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one more reason why I'm done with baseball for the foreseeable future
Ya cause everybody is clean in basketball. Dwight isnt on anything
I agree. Two names: LeBron James and Dwight Howard.
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Where did you get the list from? D&C didn't release the names.
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one more reason why I'm done with baseball for the foreseeable future
Ya cause everybody is clean in basketball. Dwight isnt on anything
baseball was always a distant 3rd anyway
I've stuck with football despite steroids and spygate
I'll stick with basketball when someone's finally caught
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http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=283&f=2094&t=4464351
Found that online. Its the same list. Looks pretty shady
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Where is this thing sourced?
They're back to talking about Michael Jackson right now and I can't find anything on the major sites. Pretty suspicious.
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Seems fake to me.
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Not the most credible list at the moment, but is there anyone out there that would argue that this list doesn't look reasonable based on the players on it? No surprises in my opinion - basically all the big names of the era.
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37.Eric Byrnes
Who could argue with this one after the roid rage shoving match he had in the playoffs with Varitek
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Could be fake, not enough unknown names on the list. Meanwhile it has practically every big name player from that year.
Who really knows though.
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The more I look at it, the more I doubt its accuracy. Usually there are some lesser known players among the elite players on these lists. Seems shady that there's no verification.
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Remember, this is from 2003. A lot of these guys were young guys on the fringe of the minors/majors at that point in time... I mean there are a lot of Shea Hillenbrands and the like who were not big names for fans around the league.
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Remember, this is from 2003. A lot of these guys were young guys on the fringe of the minors/majors at that point in time... I mean there are a lot of Shea Hillenbrands and the like who were not big names for fans around the league.
I don't know, alot of those guys were still very good, even Hillenbrand who was an All-Star in '02. Though Hillenbrand has a reputation for roid-rage.
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am i the only one that really doesn't care who used what anymore? at the end of the day, you still have to have crazy skills to do the stuff that these guys do...steroids don't make them naturally talented and skilled.
the worst part is how the MLB handles this stuff...they milk their superstars dry to revive baseball and then throw their players under the bus when they're finished. completely unacceptable, IMO.
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am i the only one that really doesn't care who used what anymore? at the end of the day, you still have to have crazy skills to do the stuff that these guys do...steroids don't make them naturally talented and skilled.
the worst part is how the MLB handles this stuff...they milk their superstars dry to revive baseball and then throw their players under the bus when they're finished. completely unacceptable, IMO.
Yes, I agree. I'm actually happy that if this is the list, we get it over with. I also think it's good that we finally can take some of the attention off of Bonds, who was the scapegoat for this era. It wasn't his fault he was just THAT much better than all of the other guys who used roids...
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I am quite fine juggling my life around finding out who cheated. Please keep dropping the names and hopefully none of them make the HOF. Manny was clearly using and will get away with it.. Papi is somehow going unscathed as well.
If Pete Rose isn't in these cheaters don't deserve to be either. In fact Pete deserves to be in over them. He's the 'Hit King', not some also ran from Minnesota that in 30's starting juicing and hit some homers for 2004 and 2007 Boston Red Sox.
Bonds a scapegoat... haha
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Come on, there's no way this is real. All of the big names happened to be caught, but very few lesser known players tested positive? I mean, approximately 1/9 or so of Major Leaguers tested positive, and it seems odd that almost all of those on this list are names familiar to baseball fans.
Also, of course, I would almost guarantee that Roger Clemens is *not* on the list. If he was, that information would be trumpeted front and center by those trying to indict him for perjury.
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Also, of course, I would almost guarantee that Roger Clemens is *not* on the list. If he was, that information would be trumpeted front and center by those trying to indict him for perjury.
Good point.
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The more I look at it, the more I doubt its accuracy. Usually there are some lesser known players among the elite players on these lists. Seems shady that there's no verification.
exactly my thoughts...it's bull. where are the israel alcantras of the world? the brian roses? ect. not to say that those guys did/didnt take 'roids, but i didn't see more than 1 or 2 names that i didn't immediately recognize as tenured MLB veterans. further, this would be THE story on EVERY sports media outlet right now if it was confirmed.
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Yeah, this can't be legit. How would D&C have the list but not ESPN or even the AP? It's not being reported anywhere.
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one more reason why I'm done with baseball for the foreseeable future
Ya cause everybody is clean in basketball. Dwight isnt on anything
baseball was always a distant 3rd anyway
I've stuck with football despite steroids and spygate
I'll stick with basketball when someone's finally caught
Wait, so you're done with baseball for the foreseeable future because of all the players getting caught, but you're ok with football? Interesting. Were you ok with Rodney Harrison using HGH with relatively no consequences? Most Patriots fans were/are.
The NFL probably had BY FAR the most abusers, yet people on the whole, seem to either think A) they're clean or B) they don't care. NFL players have a closer resemblance to WWE "performers" than they do actual athletes.
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one more reason why I'm done with baseball for the foreseeable future
Ya cause everybody is clean in basketball. Dwight isnt on anything
baseball was always a distant 3rd anyway
I've stuck with football despite steroids and spygate
I'll stick with basketball when someone's finally caught
The NFL probably had BY FAR the most abusers, yet people on the whole, seem to either think A) they're clean or B) they don't care. NFL players have a closer resemblance to WWE "performers" than they do actual athletes.
At least the NFL wasn't sketchy and had a testing policy with corresponding punishment to give them 100% more credibility than the MLB. That's the real issue...not which players used and which didn't. It's not breaking the rules if the rules don't exist!
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one more reason why I'm done with baseball for the foreseeable future
Ya cause everybody is clean in basketball. Dwight isnt on anything
baseball was always a distant 3rd anyway
I've stuck with football despite steroids and spygate
I'll stick with basketball when someone's finally caught
Wait, so you're done with baseball for the foreseeable future because of all the players getting caught, but you're ok with football? Interesting. Were you ok with Rodney Harrison using HGH with relatively no consequences? Most Patriots fans were/are.
The NFL probably had BY FAR the most abusers, yet people on the whole, seem to either think A) they're clean or B) they don't care. NFL players have a closer resemblance to WWE "performers" than they do actual athletes.
Baseball is all about numbers which are pretty much all null and void now. I do agree though that the NFL is let off the hook I think primarily because it's a contact sport where players sacrifice their bodies for much less money than baseball players make. It's really embarrassing for MLB players to be using steroids. They hit baseballs but, as in Bonds they look like body builders.. ha
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one more reason why I'm done with baseball for the foreseeable future
Ya cause everybody is clean in basketball. Dwight isnt on anything
baseball was always a distant 3rd anyway
I've stuck with football despite steroids and spygate
I'll stick with basketball when someone's finally caught
The NFL probably had BY FAR the most abusers, yet people on the whole, seem to either think A) they're clean or B) they don't care. NFL players have a closer resemblance to WWE "performers" than they do actual athletes.
At least the NFL wasn't sketchy and had a testing policy with corresponding punishment to give them 100% more credibility than the MLB. That's the real issue...not which players used and which didn't. It's not breaking the rules if the rules don't exist!
Harrison got suspended for 4 games, and once he retired NBC hires him to be a commentator for games. He's great no doubt, but I find it hilarious that he's one of the most critical commentators now when he cheated to get back on the field quicker. Tough punishment there.
Another example, Shawne Merriman gets suspended for 4 games for using steroids. Wow, tough punishment.
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one more reason why I'm done with baseball for the foreseeable future
Ya cause everybody is clean in basketball. Dwight isnt on anything
baseball was always a distant 3rd anyway
I've stuck with football despite steroids and spygate
I'll stick with basketball when someone's finally caught
The NFL probably had BY FAR the most abusers, yet people on the whole, seem to either think A) they're clean or B) they don't care. NFL players have a closer resemblance to WWE "performers" than they do actual athletes.
At least the NFL wasn't sketchy and had a testing policy with corresponding punishment to give them 100% more credibility than the MLB. That's the real issue...not which players used and which didn't. It's not breaking the rules if the rules don't exist!
Harrison got suspended for 4 games, and once he retired NBC hires him to be a commentator for games. He's great no doubt, but I find it hilarious that he's one of the most critical commentators now when he cheated to get back on the field quicker. Tough punishment there.
Another example, Shawne Merriman gets suspended for 4 games for using steroids. Wow, tough punishment.
Thats for a first time offense and in a 16 game NFL season thats a quarter of the season that he isnt allowed to play. That is a pretty serious suspension. And a first time steroid suspension in baseball is 50 games which is 30% so they are roughly the same.
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I know I posted the list, but I am 90% sure it's a fake. It seems like a composite of educated guesses.
D&C reported it so I googled "2003 steroid list leaked" and a few sites came up. Yes, I am quite resourceful.
Varitek would be on the list if it were real.
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4 games in Football is a 1/4 of the season.
While 50 games in Baseball is about a 1/3 of the season. The punishment between the 2 is fairly comparable.
I am done with who is on the list and who is not on the list. I do not care anymore. It was in the past and its done and over with. Baseball needs to move on and the sport as a whole needs to accept what happened and take equal blame, the commissioners, owners and players. The subject is tiring and boring.
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4 games in Football is a 1/4 of the season.
While 50 games in Baseball is about a 1/3 of the season. The punishment between the 2 is fairly comparable.
I am done with who is on the list and who is not on the list. I do not care anymore. It was in the past and its done and over with. Baseball needs to move on and the sport as a whole needs to accept what happened and take equal blame, the commissioners, owners and players. The subject is tiring and boring.
Looks alot like my last post....
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one more reason why I'm done with baseball for the foreseeable future
Ya cause everybody is clean in basketball. Dwight isnt on anything
baseball was always a distant 3rd anyway
I've stuck with football despite steroids and spygate
I'll stick with basketball when someone's finally caught
The NFL probably had BY FAR the most abusers, yet people on the whole, seem to either think A) they're clean or B) they don't care. NFL players have a closer resemblance to WWE "performers" than they do actual athletes.
At least the NFL wasn't sketchy and had a testing policy with corresponding punishment to give them 100% more credibility than the MLB. That's the real issue...not which players used and which didn't. It's not breaking the rules if the rules don't exist!
my theory on why baseball is treated different than any other sport is that when this all started it was almost exclusively a Barry Bonds issue.
He was the poster boy for steroids in baseball and since he was almost universally disliked everybody in the media came down hard on him and how terrible it was for him to have cheated.
then it started coming out that steroids was probably used by most of the best players and the media had already dug a hole for itself. To not criticize every other steroid user just as they had done with Bonds would have been completely hypocritical. Thus, they created a never-ending story of their own making.
I bet many regret it now because you can see how uninterested baseball reporters are in this story at this point.
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IF this is true, Yankee fans will get what they've always wanted, Pedro and Ortiz caught with roids. Luckily we've got someone who i didn't expect to throw right back in their face; Aaron Freakin Boone.
Who would've thought he was on roids. He should've gotten his money back from whoever gave them to him.
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4 games in Football is a 1/4 of the season.
While 50 games in Baseball is about a 1/3 of the season. The punishment between the 2 is fairly comparable.
I am done with who is on the list and who is not on the list. I do not care anymore. It was in the past and its done and over with. Baseball needs to move on and the sport as a whole needs to accept what happened and take equal blame, the commissioners, owners and players. The subject is tiring and boring.
You mean they should move on when it's actually clean?
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4 games in Football is a 1/4 of the season.
While 50 games in Baseball is about a 1/3 of the season. The punishment between the 2 is fairly comparable.
I am done with who is on the list and who is not on the list. I do not care anymore. It was in the past and its done and over with. Baseball needs to move on and the sport as a whole needs to accept what happened and take equal blame, the commissioners, owners and players. The subject is tiring and boring.
You mean they should move on when it's actually clean?
I think the vast majority of baseball is clean at this point, testing is to good (see rameriz, manny)
your never going to get all the way clean, in any sport. cheating is part of every sport, micky mantle used greenies and horse testosterone, but we don't talk about that, even though it was pretty much primitive steroid use.
you can see that in how it's going back to being a young man's game with HR numbers more in the 40's range, as it was back in the 70's and 80's.
It's no coincidence power has plummeted among the +30 crowd and all of the sudden baseball is littered with young star hitters.
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Derek Lowe? Please.
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Derek Lowe? Please.
Well, it depends if Captain Morgan qualifies as a steroid...
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one more reason why I'm done with baseball for the foreseeable future
Ya cause everybody is clean in basketball. Dwight isnt on anything
baseball was always a distant 3rd anyway
I've stuck with football despite steroids and spygate
I'll stick with basketball when someone's finally caught
The NFL probably had BY FAR the most abusers, yet people on the whole, seem to either think A) they're clean or B) they don't care. NFL players have a closer resemblance to WWE "performers" than they do actual athletes.
At least the NFL wasn't sketchy and had a testing policy with corresponding punishment to give them 100% more credibility than the MLB. That's the real issue...not which players used and which didn't. It's not breaking the rules if the rules don't exist!
my theory on why baseball is treated different than any other sport is that when this all started it was almost exclusively a Barry Bonds issue.
He was the poster boy for steroids in baseball and since he was almost universally disliked everybody in the media came down hard on him and how terrible it was for him to have cheated.
then it started coming out that steroids was probably used by most of the best players and the media had already dug a hole for itself. To not criticize every other steroid user just as they had done with Bonds would have been completely hypocritical. Thus, they created a never-ending story of their own making.
I bet many regret it now because you can see how uninterested baseball reporters are in this story at this point.
Its the records, baseball loves its numbers and milestones. Baseball fans will debate forever about who is HoF worthy, they stage virtual contests between past and present players. Steriods screws this all up, that is why it became such a big deal.
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4 games in Football is a 1/4 of the season.
While 50 games in Baseball is about a 1/3 of the season. The punishment between the 2 is fairly comparable.
I am done with who is on the list and who is not on the list. I do not care anymore. It was in the past and its done and over with. Baseball needs to move on and the sport as a whole needs to accept what happened and take equal blame, the commissioners, owners and players. The subject is tiring and boring.
You mean they should move on when it's actually clean?
Will the sport ever really be clean? Its time to move on. Steroids happened, the players union knew, the owners knew, all the players knew. You cannot erase the past and Baseball needs to acknowledge the fact it happened instead of passing the blame from players, to unions, to owners, to revenue. The subject will of course continue on until every sheep has been shaved of its wool. Baseball needs to bury it and make sure that it never happens again. Lesson learned.
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There are some guys on this list that are somewhat ridiculous sounding to me... Pedro, for example, was rail-thin and derived much of his pitching ability from his freakishly long fingers. I don't know if actual steroids would have helped him... Maybe HGH to recover from injury quicker, but it was my understanding that it was a steroid only list.
Also, guys with builds that would surprise me on the list include Pedro, Lowe, Sandy Alomar, Brent Abernathy, Craig Monroe, Randy Winn, Fernando Tatis, Robbie Alomar, and Corey Patterson(!), but then again, nothing would surprise me anymore. The whole era is completely tainted, and the only reason I still take pride in the 2004 and 2007 WS titles is because I know everyone else was doing it too so it still was a level playing field.
Also, does anyone surprise you less then Geoff Jenkins, Jeromy Burnitz, and Richie Sexson?
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one more reason why I'm done with baseball for the foreseeable future
Ya cause everybody is clean in basketball. Dwight isnt on anything
baseball was always a distant 3rd anyway
I've stuck with football despite steroids and spygate
I'll stick with basketball when someone's finally caught
The NFL probably had BY FAR the most abusers, yet people on the whole, seem to either think A) they're clean or B) they don't care. NFL players have a closer resemblance to WWE "performers" than they do actual athletes.
At least the NFL wasn't sketchy and had a testing policy with corresponding punishment to give them 100% more credibility than the MLB. That's the real issue...not which players used and which didn't. It's not breaking the rules if the rules don't exist!
my theory on why baseball is treated different than any other sport is that when this all started it was almost exclusively a Barry Bonds issue.
He was the poster boy for steroids in baseball and since he was almost universally disliked everybody in the media came down hard on him and how terrible it was for him to have cheated.
then it started coming out that steroids was probably used by most of the best players and the media had already dug a hole for itself. To not criticize every other steroid user just as they had done with Bonds would have been completely hypocritical. Thus, they created a never-ending story of their own making.
I bet many regret it now because you can see how uninterested baseball reporters are in this story at this point.
Its the records, baseball loves its numbers and milestones. Baseball fans will debate forever about who is HoF worthy, they stage virtual contests between past and present players. Steriods screws this all up, that is why it became such a big deal.
I don't agree. that's not a reason to care about steroids more in one sport than in another. All the sports have HOFs and records...
you either are outraged by steroids in all sports or none. I think the media created a runaway train with the whole Barry Bonds story. It was a very sensational story, but once they set the bar for Bonds, they had to hold everybody else to it...
IMO one of the only baseball guys who was straight on this was Mike Schmidt. He said something along the lines of: this was an era of baseball and he can't say for sure if he played in it he wouldn't have tried to use it too...
I agree with the poster who said it's time to move on from this. PEDs are still in all the sports, unfortunately. but the testing is in place now, so that's about as good as you are going to get.
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one more reason why I'm done with baseball for the foreseeable future
Ya cause everybody is clean in basketball. Dwight isnt on anything
baseball was always a distant 3rd anyway
I've stuck with football despite steroids and spygate
I'll stick with basketball when someone's finally caught
The NFL probably had BY FAR the most abusers, yet people on the whole, seem to either think A) they're clean or B) they don't care. NFL players have a closer resemblance to WWE "performers" than they do actual athletes.
At least the NFL wasn't sketchy and had a testing policy with corresponding punishment to give them 100% more credibility than the MLB. That's the real issue...not which players used and which didn't. It's not breaking the rules if the rules don't exist!
my theory on why baseball is treated different than any other sport is that when this all started it was almost exclusively a Barry Bonds issue.
He was the poster boy for steroids in baseball and since he was almost universally disliked everybody in the media came down hard on him and how terrible it was for him to have cheated.
then it started coming out that steroids was probably used by most of the best players and the media had already dug a hole for itself. To not criticize every other steroid user just as they had done with Bonds would have been completely hypocritical. Thus, they created a never-ending story of their own making.
I bet many regret it now because you can see how uninterested baseball reporters are in this story at this point.
Its the records, baseball loves its numbers and milestones. Baseball fans will debate forever about who is HoF worthy, they stage virtual contests between past and present players. Steriods screws this all up, that is why it became such a big deal.
I don't agree. that's not a reason to care about steroids more in one sport than in another. All the sports have HOFs and records...
you either are outraged by steroids in all sports or none. I think the media created a runaway train with the whole Barry Bonds story. It was a very sensational story, but once they set the bar for Bonds, they had to hold everybody else to it...
I think its silly tell people what they can be outraged by.
Most sports don't have the history and tradition that baseball does, especially with the numbers. Sportswriters and whole generations of fans grew up with baseball primarily through the radio and by reading boxscores. Baseball also lends it self to statistics because it is at it's heart an individual sport. Especially between a pitcher and a batter.
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one more reason why I'm done with baseball for the foreseeable future
Ya cause everybody is clean in basketball. Dwight isnt on anything
baseball was always a distant 3rd anyway
I've stuck with football despite steroids and spygate
I'll stick with basketball when someone's finally caught
The NFL probably had BY FAR the most abusers, yet people on the whole, seem to either think A) they're clean or B) they don't care. NFL players have a closer resemblance to WWE "performers" than they do actual athletes.
At least the NFL wasn't sketchy and had a testing policy with corresponding punishment to give them 100% more credibility than the MLB. That's the real issue...not which players used and which didn't. It's not breaking the rules if the rules don't exist!
my theory on why baseball is treated different than any other sport is that when this all started it was almost exclusively a Barry Bonds issue.
He was the poster boy for steroids in baseball and since he was almost universally disliked everybody in the media came down hard on him and how terrible it was for him to have cheated.
then it started coming out that steroids was probably used by most of the best players and the media had already dug a hole for itself. To not criticize every other steroid user just as they had done with Bonds would have been completely hypocritical. Thus, they created a never-ending story of their own making.
I bet many regret it now because you can see how uninterested baseball reporters are in this story at this point.
Its the records, baseball loves its numbers and milestones. Baseball fans will debate forever about who is HoF worthy, they stage virtual contests between past and present players. Steriods screws this all up, that is why it became such a big deal.
I don't agree. that's not a reason to care about steroids more in one sport than in another. All the sports have HOFs and records...
you either are outraged by steroids in all sports or none. I think the media created a runaway train with the whole Barry Bonds story. It was a very sensational story, but once they set the bar for Bonds, they had to hold everybody else to it...
I think its silly tell people what they can be outraged by.
Most sports don't have the history and tradition that baseball does, especially with the numbers. Sportswriters and whole generations of fans grew up with baseball primarily through the radio and by reading boxscores. Baseball also lends it self to statistics because it is at it's heart an individual sport. Especially between a pitcher and a batter.
people can obviously be outraged by whatever they want. but if poeple's outrage differs from one sport to another, they are being hypocritical IMO.
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one more reason why I'm done with baseball for the foreseeable future
Ya cause everybody is clean in basketball. Dwight isnt on anything
baseball was always a distant 3rd anyway
I've stuck with football despite steroids and spygate
I'll stick with basketball when someone's finally caught
The NFL probably had BY FAR the most abusers, yet people on the whole, seem to either think A) they're clean or B) they don't care. NFL players have a closer resemblance to WWE "performers" than they do actual athletes.
At least the NFL wasn't sketchy and had a testing policy with corresponding punishment to give them 100% more credibility than the MLB. That's the real issue...not which players used and which didn't. It's not breaking the rules if the rules don't exist!
my theory on why baseball is treated different than any other sport is that when this all started it was almost exclusively a Barry Bonds issue.
He was the poster boy for steroids in baseball and since he was almost universally disliked everybody in the media came down hard on him and how terrible it was for him to have cheated.
then it started coming out that steroids was probably used by most of the best players and the media had already dug a hole for itself. To not criticize every other steroid user just as they had done with Bonds would have been completely hypocritical. Thus, they created a never-ending story of their own making.
I bet many regret it now because you can see how uninterested baseball reporters are in this story at this point.
Its the records, baseball loves its numbers and milestones. Baseball fans will debate forever about who is HoF worthy, they stage virtual contests between past and present players. Steriods screws this all up, that is why it became such a big deal.
I don't agree. that's not a reason to care about steroids more in one sport than in another. All the sports have HOFs and records...
you either are outraged by steroids in all sports or none. I think the media created a runaway train with the whole Barry Bonds story. It was a very sensational story, but once they set the bar for Bonds, they had to hold everybody else to it...
I think its silly tell people what they can be outraged by.
Most sports don't have the history and tradition that baseball does, especially with the numbers. Sportswriters and whole generations of fans grew up with baseball primarily through the radio and by reading boxscores. Baseball also lends it self to statistics because it is at it's heart an individual sport. Especially between a pitcher and a batter.
people can obviously be outraged by whatever they want. but if your outrage differs from one sport to another, you are being hypocritical IMO.
Of course you are. But fans aren't rational people to begin with ;).
Baseball fans care a lot more about records/numbers/average/homeruns etc. Add to it that the home run race between Sosa/McGuire that "brought back baseball" and you have all the ingredients for the media firestorm about steroids. Barry Bonds was an important piece, but he wasn't the primary reason for all of this.
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one more reason why I'm done with baseball for the foreseeable future
Ya cause everybody is clean in basketball. Dwight isnt on anything
baseball was always a distant 3rd anyway
I've stuck with football despite steroids and spygate
I'll stick with basketball when someone's finally caught
The NFL probably had BY FAR the most abusers, yet people on the whole, seem to either think A) they're clean or B) they don't care. NFL players have a closer resemblance to WWE "performers" than they do actual athletes.
At least the NFL wasn't sketchy and had a testing policy with corresponding punishment to give them 100% more credibility than the MLB. That's the real issue...not which players used and which didn't. It's not breaking the rules if the rules don't exist!
my theory on why baseball is treated different than any other sport is that when this all started it was almost exclusively a Barry Bonds issue.
He was the poster boy for steroids in baseball and since he was almost universally disliked everybody in the media came down hard on him and how terrible it was for him to have cheated.
then it started coming out that steroids was probably used by most of the best players and the media had already dug a hole for itself. To not criticize every other steroid user just as they had done with Bonds would have been completely hypocritical. Thus, they created a never-ending story of their own making.
I bet many regret it now because you can see how uninterested baseball reporters are in this story at this point.
Its the records, baseball loves its numbers and milestones. Baseball fans will debate forever about who is HoF worthy, they stage virtual contests between past and present players. Steriods screws this all up, that is why it became such a big deal.
I don't agree. that's not a reason to care about steroids more in one sport than in another. All the sports have HOFs and records...
you either are outraged by steroids in all sports or none. I think the media created a runaway train with the whole Barry Bonds story. It was a very sensational story, but once they set the bar for Bonds, they had to hold everybody else to it...
I think its silly tell people what they can be outraged by.
Most sports don't have the history and tradition that baseball does, especially with the numbers. Sportswriters and whole generations of fans grew up with baseball primarily through the radio and by reading boxscores. Baseball also lends it self to statistics because it is at it's heart an individual sport. Especially between a pitcher and a batter.
people can obviously be outraged by whatever they want. but if your outrage differs from one sport to another, you are being hypocritical IMO.
Of course you are. But fans aren't rational people to begin with ;).
Baseball fans care a lot more about records/numbers/average/homeruns etc. Add to it that the home run race between Sosa/McGuire that "brought back baseball" and you have all the ingredients for the media firestorm about steroids. Barry Bonds was an important piece, but he wasn't the primary reason for all of this.
but haven't the fans spoken pretty clearly on this. I mean, look at Manny selling out his minor league games....
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The crazy quoting makes looking at this thread difficult..
Jeremy Burnitz appears on the list twice. It's sorted very suspiciously. Total fake.
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Fans were pretty p---ed about it, eight years ago. You can only be outraged so long, especially when you still watch and love baseball.
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Who or what in god's name is "D&C"? Is that a news channel? A website? A sweet, savory nighttime snack?
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4 games in Football is a 1/4 of the season.
While 50 games in Baseball is about a 1/3 of the season. The punishment between the 2 is fairly comparable.
I am done with who is on the list and who is not on the list. I do not care anymore. It was in the past and its done and over with. Baseball needs to move on and the sport as a whole needs to accept what happened and take equal blame, the commissioners, owners and players. The subject is tiring and boring.
You mean they should move on when it's actually clean?
Will the sport ever really be clean? Its time to move on. Steroids happened, the players union knew, the owners knew, all the players knew. You cannot erase the past and Baseball needs to acknowledge the fact it happened instead of passing the blame from players, to unions, to owners, to revenue. The subject will of course continue on until every sheep has been shaved of its wool. Baseball needs to bury it and make sure that it never happens again. Lesson learned.
Burying it (like some are doing with their heads in the sand) will ensure it won't go away and then we can be sure that there will be another set of bash bros like Manny and Papi.
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There are some guys on this list that are somewhat ridiculous sounding to me... Pedro, for example, was rail-thin and derived much of his pitching ability from his freakishly long fingers. I don't know if actual steroids would have helped him... Maybe HGH to recover from injury quicker, but it was my understanding that it was a steroid only list.
Also, guys with builds that would surprise me on the list include Pedro, Lowe, Sandy Alomar, Brent Abernathy, Craig Monroe, Randy Winn, Fernando Tatis, Robbie Alomar, and Corey Patterson(!), but then again, nothing would surprise me anymore. The whole era is completely tainted, and the only reason I still take pride in the 2004 and 2007 WS titles is because I know everyone else was doing it too so it still was a level playing field.
Also, does anyone surprise you less then Geoff Jenkins, Jeromy Burnitz, and Richie Sexson?
Yeah every Latin player on the list.
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one more reason why I'm done with baseball for the foreseeable future
Ya cause everybody is clean in basketball. Dwight isnt on anything
baseball was always a distant 3rd anyway
I've stuck with football despite steroids and spygate
I'll stick with basketball when someone's finally caught
The NFL probably had BY FAR the most abusers, yet people on the whole, seem to either think A) they're clean or B) they don't care. NFL players have a closer resemblance to WWE "performers" than they do actual athletes.
At least the NFL wasn't sketchy and had a testing policy with corresponding punishment to give them 100% more credibility than the MLB. That's the real issue...not which players used and which didn't. It's not breaking the rules if the rules don't exist!
my theory on why baseball is treated different than any other sport is that when this all started it was almost exclusively a Barry Bonds issue.
He was the poster boy for steroids in baseball and since he was almost universally disliked everybody in the media came down hard on him and how terrible it was for him to have cheated.
then it started coming out that steroids was probably used by most of the best players and the media had already dug a hole for itself. To not criticize every other steroid user just as they had done with Bonds would have been completely hypocritical. Thus, they created a never-ending story of their own making.
I bet many regret it now because you can see how uninterested baseball reporters are in this story at this point.
Its the records, baseball loves its numbers and milestones. Baseball fans will debate forever about who is HoF worthy, they stage virtual contests between past and present players. Steriods screws this all up, that is why it became such a big deal.
I don't agree. that's not a reason to care about steroids more in one sport than in another. All the sports have HOFs and records...
you either are outraged by steroids in all sports or none. I think the media created a runaway train with the whole Barry Bonds story. It was a very sensational story, but once they set the bar for Bonds, they had to hold everybody else to it...
I think its silly tell people what they can be outraged by.
Most sports don't have the history and tradition that baseball does, especially with the numbers. Sportswriters and whole generations of fans grew up with baseball primarily through the radio and by reading boxscores. Baseball also lends it self to statistics because it is at it's heart an individual sport. Especially between a pitcher and a batter.
people can obviously be outraged by whatever they want. but if poeple's outrage differs from one sport to another, they are being hypocritical IMO.
No in fact that's called critical thinking.
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Fans were pretty ****ed about it, eight years ago. You can only be outraged so long, especially when you still watch and love baseball.
I agree. outrage has all but disappeared. but isn't that contrary to the "long-standing damage to the sport and its records" argument for the initial outrage.
to me, the waning outrage is more supporting the Barry Bonds- centric view of why this was initially such a big story in baseball as opposed to the level of outrage against steroids in other sports.
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one more reason why I'm done with baseball for the foreseeable future
Ya cause everybody is clean in basketball. Dwight isnt on anything
baseball was always a distant 3rd anyway
I've stuck with football despite steroids and spygate
I'll stick with basketball when someone's finally caught
The NFL probably had BY FAR the most abusers, yet people on the whole, seem to either think A) they're clean or B) they don't care. NFL players have a closer resemblance to WWE "performers" than they do actual athletes.
At least the NFL wasn't sketchy and had a testing policy with corresponding punishment to give them 100% more credibility than the MLB. That's the real issue...not which players used and which didn't. It's not breaking the rules if the rules don't exist!
my theory on why baseball is treated different than any other sport is that when this all started it was almost exclusively a Barry Bonds issue.
He was the poster boy for steroids in baseball and since he was almost universally disliked everybody in the media came down hard on him and how terrible it was for him to have cheated.
then it started coming out that steroids was probably used by most of the best players and the media had already dug a hole for itself. To not criticize every other steroid user just as they had done with Bonds would have been completely hypocritical. Thus, they created a never-ending story of their own making.
I bet many regret it now because you can see how uninterested baseball reporters are in this story at this point.
Its the records, baseball loves its numbers and milestones. Baseball fans will debate forever about who is HoF worthy, they stage virtual contests between past and present players. Steriods screws this all up, that is why it became such a big deal.
I don't agree. that's not a reason to care about steroids more in one sport than in another. All the sports have HOFs and records...
you either are outraged by steroids in all sports or none. I think the media created a runaway train with the whole Barry Bonds story. It was a very sensational story, but once they set the bar for Bonds, they had to hold everybody else to it...
I think its silly tell people what they can be outraged by.
Most sports don't have the history and tradition that baseball does, especially with the numbers. Sportswriters and whole generations of fans grew up with baseball primarily through the radio and by reading boxscores. Baseball also lends it self to statistics because it is at it's heart an individual sport. Especially between a pitcher and a batter.
people can obviously be outraged by whatever they want. but if poeple's outrage differs from one sport to another, they are being hypocritical IMO.
No in fact that's called critical thinking.
it's critical thinking to be outraged by steroids in baseball but not in football?
either you have a problem with cheating and/or concern about the health risks of steroids or you don't.
"the record books" is a pretty thin reason to be outraged by steroids.
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for the record, I'm "outraged" by steroids in all sports, but I just like football better than baseball for other reasons, so I'm more apt to deal with it than I am in baseball
just my preference, not really a line in the sand or anything
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one more reason why I'm done with baseball for the foreseeable future
Ya cause everybody is clean in basketball. Dwight isnt on anything
baseball was always a distant 3rd anyway
I've stuck with football despite steroids and spygate
I'll stick with basketball when someone's finally caught
The NFL probably had BY FAR the most abusers, yet people on the whole, seem to either think A) they're clean or B) they don't care. NFL players have a closer resemblance to WWE "performers" than they do actual athletes.
At least the NFL wasn't sketchy and had a testing policy with corresponding punishment to give them 100% more credibility than the MLB. That's the real issue...not which players used and which didn't. It's not breaking the rules if the rules don't exist!
my theory on why baseball is treated different than any other sport is that when this all started it was almost exclusively a Barry Bonds issue.
He was the poster boy for steroids in baseball and since he was almost universally disliked everybody in the media came down hard on him and how terrible it was for him to have cheated.
then it started coming out that steroids was probably used by most of the best players and the media had already dug a hole for itself. To not criticize every other steroid user just as they had done with Bonds would have been completely hypocritical. Thus, they created a never-ending story of their own making.
I bet many regret it now because you can see how uninterested baseball reporters are in this story at this point.
Its the records, baseball loves its numbers and milestones. Baseball fans will debate forever about who is HoF worthy, they stage virtual contests between past and present players. Steriods screws this all up, that is why it became such a big deal.
I don't agree. that's not a reason to care about steroids more in one sport than in another. All the sports have HOFs and records...
you either are outraged by steroids in all sports or none. I think the media created a runaway train with the whole Barry Bonds story. It was a very sensational story, but once they set the bar for Bonds, they had to hold everybody else to it...
I think its silly tell people what they can be outraged by.
Most sports don't have the history and tradition that baseball does, especially with the numbers. Sportswriters and whole generations of fans grew up with baseball primarily through the radio and by reading boxscores. Baseball also lends it self to statistics because it is at it's heart an individual sport. Especially between a pitcher and a batter.
people can obviously be outraged by whatever they want. but if poeple's outrage differs from one sport to another, they are being hypocritical IMO.
No in fact that's called critical thinking.
No, its pretty much the definition of empty justifications and hypocrisy.
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It's strange the hypocrisy crew seem to fall in line with it's over please move on crew. I wonder why that is? I hope it has nothing to do with diminishing 2004 and 2007 because that would be called deflecting to me.
My hypocrisy (critical thinking) in regards to how I feel differently about baseball and football stems from a couple of things. The type of sport (contact), no guaranteed contract, and because the players are literally taking their lives in their hands playing in NFL. Baseball is closer to badminton than it is football. Barry Bonds as martyr, classic. Yeah poor Barry was only a great player prior to enlarging his head by 10 sizes. He was empty he needed to have all the records along with the money and the fame. It's a witch hunt I tell ya.
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It's strange the hypocrisy crew seem to fall in line with it's over please move on crew. I wonder why that is? I hope it has nothing to do with diminishing 2004 and 2007 because that would be called deflecting to me.
My hypocrisy (critical thinking) in regards to how I feel differently about baseball and football stems from a couple of things. The type of sport (contact), no guaranteed contract, and because the players are literally taking their lives in their hands playing in NFL. Baseball is closer to badminton than it is football. Barry Bonds as martyr, classic. Yeah poor Barry was only a great player prior to enlarging his head by 10 sizes. He was empty he needed to have all the records along with the money and the fame. It's a witch hunt I tell ya.
I agree with many things that you say, except, lets ask Tony Canigliaro (and others) about the taking their lives into their own hands thing.
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Who or what in god's name is "D&C"? Is that a news channel? A website? A sweet, savory nighttime snack?
John Dennis & Jerry Callahan. Morning talk hosts on Boston sports station WEEI. Very popular. Mostly annoying.
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It's strange the hypocrisy crew seem to fall in line with it's over please move on crew. I wonder why that is? I hope it has nothing to do with diminishing 2004 and 2007 because that would be called deflecting to me.
My hypocrisy (critical thinking) in regards to how I feel differently about baseball and football stems from a couple of things. The type of sport (contact), no guaranteed contract, and because the players are literally taking their lives in their hands playing in NFL. Baseball is closer to badminton than it is football. Barry Bonds as martyr, classic. Yeah poor Barry was only a great player prior to enlarging his head by 10 sizes. He was empty he needed to have all the records along with the money and the fame. It's a witch hunt I tell ya.
I don't really understand the argument you are making here. but again you clearly have very strong feelings about Barry Bonds, who IMO is the main impetus behind steroids being treated differently in baseball than in other sports.
I mean, is Barry Bonds the only athlete whose head was affected by the use of steroids?
as for moving on, the point is not to all of a sudden stop caring about it, but to acknowledge that testing is now in place just as it is in other sports.
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Who or what in god's name is "D&C"? Is that a news channel? A website? A sweet, savory nighttime snack?
John Dennis & Jerry Callahan. Morning talk hosts on Boston sports station WEEI. Very popular. Mostly annoying.
So they're talk show hosts? Like Howard Stern, but sports-focused? Umm yeah, that's surely a good source for critical, breaking news like this. Who wouldn't rely on them for such important coverage? Considering that they're only regional and not nationally known, I can't think of a better source for the leaked steroid list.
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Who or what in god's name is "D&C"? Is that a news channel? A website? A sweet, savory nighttime snack?
John Dennis & Jerry Callahan. Morning talk hosts on Boston sports station WEEI. Very popular. Mostly annoying.
Psssh speak for yourself, I find there viewpoints refreshing in a liberal dominated media. Its nice to hear the other sides of things for once. But at the same time take what they say with a grain of salt.
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Who or what in god's name is "D&C"? Is that a news channel? A website? A sweet, savory nighttime snack?
John Dennis & Jerry Callahan. Morning talk hosts on Boston sports station WEEI. Very popular. Mostly annoying.
So they're talk show hosts? Like Howard Stern, but sports-focused? Umm yeah, that's surely a good source for critical, breaking news like this. Who wouldn't rely on them for such important coverage? Considering that they're only regional and not nationally known, I can't think of a better source for the leaked steroid list.
I wouldn't rely on them for much more than a migraine headache.
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Who or what in god's name is "D&C"? Is that a news channel? A website? A sweet, savory nighttime snack?
John Dennis & Jerry Callahan. Morning talk hosts on Boston sports station WEEI. Very popular. Mostly annoying.
"Very Popular, mostly annoying"
ROF****
TP dude.
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Who or what in god's name is "D&C"? Is that a news channel? A website? A sweet, savory nighttime snack?
John Dennis & Jerry Callahan. Morning talk hosts on Boston sports station WEEI. Very popular. Mostly annoying.
So they're talk show hosts? Like Howard Stern, but sports-focused? Umm yeah, that's surely a good source for critical, breaking news like this. Who wouldn't rely on them for such important coverage? Considering that they're only regional and not nationally known, I can't think of a better source for the leaked steroid list.
Well they work for the annually ranked number 1 sports radio station in the country. And have a prominent timeslot and are one of the highest rated shows in the boston area as well as both of them having carreers as sports writers for the Boston Herald. I would trust what they say......
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It's strange the hypocrisy crew seem to fall in line with it's over please move on crew. I wonder why that is? I hope it has nothing to do with diminishing 2004 and 2007 because that would be called deflecting to me.
My hypocrisy (critical thinking) in regards to how I feel differently about baseball and football stems from a couple of things. The type of sport (contact), no guaranteed contract, and because the players are literally taking their lives in their hands playing in NFL. Baseball is closer to badminton than it is football. Barry Bonds as martyr, classic. Yeah poor Barry was only a great player prior to enlarging his head by 10 sizes. He was empty he needed to have all the records along with the money and the fame. It's a witch hunt I tell ya.
I don't really understand the argument you are making here. but again you clearly have very strong feelings about Barry Bonds, who IMO is the main impetus behind steroids being treated differently in baseball than in other sports.
I mean, is Barry Bonds the only athlete whose head was affected by the use of steroids?
as for moving on, the point is not to all of a sudden stop caring about it, but to acknowledge that testing is now in place just as it is in other sports.
I only brought Barry up because you and others brought him up as some reason why people only care about steroids. I could careless about him. He cheated and broke many important records.
We should ' move on ' when they have testing for HGH. The sport is ruined.
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Who or what in god's name is "D&C"? Is that a news channel? A website? A sweet, savory nighttime snack?
John Dennis & Jerry Callahan. Morning talk hosts on Boston sports station WEEI. Very popular. Mostly annoying.
Psssh speak for yourself, I find there viewpoints refreshing in a liberal dominated media. Its nice to hear the other sides of things for once. But at the same time take what they say with a grain of salt.
The political stuff is annoying...I know, I know, I know...it's entertainment, and if I don't like it I don't have to listen to it, but it's the only outlet for sports radio...there are plenty of other outlets for politics. And while I don't generally agree with their views, I'd have an easier time listening to them if they weren't so [dang]ed crass with the callers. So yeh, I'd say they're annoying.
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Who or what in god's name is "D&C"? Is that a news channel? A website? A sweet, savory nighttime snack?
John Dennis & Jerry Callahan. Morning talk hosts on Boston sports station WEEI. Very popular. Mostly annoying.
So they're talk show hosts? Like Howard Stern, but sports-focused? Umm yeah, that's surely a good source for critical, breaking news like this. Who wouldn't rely on them for such important coverage? Considering that they're only regional and not nationally known, I can't think of a better source for the leaked steroid list.
Well they work for the annually ranked number 1 sports radio station in the country. And have a prominent timeslot and are one of the highest rated shows in the boston area as well as both of them having carreers as sports writers for the Boston Herald. I would trust what they say......
Callahan writes for the Herald...Dennis used to be the head sports anchor for Channel 7.
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Who or what in god's name is "D&C"? Is that a news channel? A website? A sweet, savory nighttime snack?
John Dennis & Jerry Callahan. Morning talk hosts on Boston sports station WEEI. Very popular. Mostly annoying.
So they're talk show hosts? Like Howard Stern, but sports-focused? Umm yeah, that's surely a good source for critical, breaking news like this. Who wouldn't rely on them for such important coverage? Considering that they're only regional and not nationally known, I can't think of a better source for the leaked steroid list.
Well they work for the annually ranked number 1 sports radio station in the country. And have a prominent timeslot and are one of the highest rated shows in the boston area as well as both of them having carreers as sports writers for the Boston Herald. I would trust what they say......
Dude, how can they be ranked #1 in the country when they aren't even heard anywhere else in the country besides Boston? Come on, man. . .
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Who or what in god's name is "D&C"? Is that a news channel? A website? A sweet, savory nighttime snack?
John Dennis & Jerry Callahan. Morning talk hosts on Boston sports station WEEI. Very popular. Mostly annoying.
So they're talk show hosts? Like Howard Stern, but sports-focused? Umm yeah, that's surely a good source for critical, breaking news like this. Who wouldn't rely on them for such important coverage? Considering that they're only regional and not nationally known, I can't think of a better source for the leaked steroid list.
Well they work for the annually ranked number 1 sports radio station in the country. And have a prominent timeslot and are one of the highest rated shows in the boston area as well as both of them having carreers as sports writers for the Boston Herald. I would trust what they say......
Couldn't have said any of that better myself. Callahan can get a little too crazy at times but there isnt another morning show out there that mixes sports, politics, and humor together as well as those three (can't forget Meter, haha.)
If you want to bash EEI (like so many on this site love to do) then aim it at the Big Show. D&C is for those who, as has been mentioned in this thread, like to "think critically" and laugh a bit at 8am.
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Who or what in god's name is "D&C"? Is that a news channel? A website? A sweet, savory nighttime snack?
John Dennis & Jerry Callahan. Morning talk hosts on Boston sports station WEEI. Very popular. Mostly annoying.
So they're talk show hosts? Like Howard Stern, but sports-focused? Umm yeah, that's surely a good source for critical, breaking news like this. Who wouldn't rely on them for such important coverage? Considering that they're only regional and not nationally known, I can't think of a better source for the leaked steroid list.
Well they work for the annually ranked number 1 sports radio station in the country. And have a prominent timeslot and are one of the highest rated shows in the boston area as well as both of them having carreers as sports writers for the Boston Herald. I would trust what they say......
Dude, how can they be ranked #1 in the country when they aren't even heard anywhere else in the country besides Boston? Come on, man. . .
Dude, the Station is ranked number 1 dude, comon dude, like man, dude, dude dude
And meter and I are both alums of Ithaca college woot woot
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It's strange the hypocrisy crew seem to fall in line with it's over please move on crew. I wonder why that is? I hope it has nothing to do with diminishing 2004 and 2007 because that would be called deflecting to me.
My hypocrisy (critical thinking) in regards to how I feel differently about baseball and football stems from a couple of things. The type of sport (contact), no guaranteed contract, and because the players are literally taking their lives in their hands playing in NFL. Baseball is closer to badminton than it is football. Barry Bonds as martyr, classic. Yeah poor Barry was only a great player prior to enlarging his head by 10 sizes. He was empty he needed to have all the records along with the money and the fame. It's a witch hunt I tell ya.
I don't really understand the argument you are making here. but again you clearly have very strong feelings about Barry Bonds, who IMO is the main impetus behind steroids being treated differently in baseball than in other sports.
I mean, is Barry Bonds the only athlete whose head was affected by the use of steroids?
as for moving on, the point is not to all of a sudden stop caring about it, but to acknowledge that testing is now in place just as it is in other sports.
I only brought Barry up because you and others brought him up as some reason why people only care about steroids. I could careless about him. He cheated and broke many important records.
We should ' move on ' when they have testing for HGH. The sport is ruined.
HGH as a PED cannot be reliably tested for yet...
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Who or what in god's name is "D&C"? Is that a news channel? A website? A sweet, savory nighttime snack?
John Dennis & Jerry Callahan. Morning talk hosts on Boston sports station WEEI. Very popular. Mostly annoying.
So they're talk show hosts? Like Howard Stern, but sports-focused? Umm yeah, that's surely a good source for critical, breaking news like this. Who wouldn't rely on them for such important coverage? Considering that they're only regional and not nationally known, I can't think of a better source for the leaked steroid list.
Well they work for the annually ranked number 1 sports radio station in the country. And have a prominent timeslot and are one of the highest rated shows in the boston area as well as both of them having carreers as sports writers for the Boston Herald. I would trust what they say......
Couldn't have said any of that better myself. Callahan can get a little too crazy at times but there isnt another morning show out there that mixes sports, politics, and humor together as well as those three (can't forget Meter, haha.)
If you want to bash EEI (like so many on this site love to do) then aim it at the Big Show. D&C is for those who, as has been mentioned in this thread, like to "think critically" and laugh a bit at 8am.
"think critically"? Their opinions are straight out of the conservative handbook...
doesn't critical thinking require considering more than one side of an issue...?
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Who or what in god's name is "D&C"? Is that a news channel? A website? A sweet, savory nighttime snack?
John Dennis & Jerry Callahan. Morning talk hosts on Boston sports station WEEI. Very popular. Mostly annoying.
Psssh speak for yourself, I find there viewpoints refreshing in a liberal dominated media. Its nice to hear the other sides of things for once. But at the same time take what they say with a grain of salt.
The political stuff is annoying...I know, I know, I know...it's entertainment, and if I don't like it I don't have to listen to it, but it's the only outlet for sports radio...there are plenty of other outlets for politics. And while I don't generally agree with their views, I'd have an easier time listening to them if they weren't so [dang]ed crass with the callers. So yeh, I'd say they're annoying.
There's always Mike & Mike or 1510 the zone.
Don't you think it gets old if you are harping on the same sports topics EVERY morning for 4 hours? I mean how much Big Papi talk can you stand before you go insane? that's why i can't do the Big Show very often. I guess i can understand that some people don't want to talk about current events or politics, but i enjoy being updated on important events that are in the headlines.
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Who or what in god's name is "D&C"? Is that a news channel? A website? A sweet, savory nighttime snack?
John Dennis & Jerry Callahan. Morning talk hosts on Boston sports station WEEI. Very popular. Mostly annoying.
So they're talk show hosts? Like Howard Stern, but sports-focused? Umm yeah, that's surely a good source for critical, breaking news like this. Who wouldn't rely on them for such important coverage? Considering that they're only regional and not nationally known, I can't think of a better source for the leaked steroid list.
Well they work for the annually ranked number 1 sports radio station in the country. And have a prominent timeslot and are one of the highest rated shows in the boston area as well as both of them having carreers as sports writers for the Boston Herald. I would trust what they say......
Couldn't have said any of that better myself. Callahan can get a little too crazy at times but there isnt another morning show out there that mixes sports, politics, and humor together as well as those three (can't forget Meter, haha.)
If you want to bash EEI (like so many on this site love to do) then aim it at the Big Show. D&C is for those who, as has been mentioned in this thread, like to "think critically" and laugh a bit at 8am.
"think critically"? Every opinion is straight out of the conservative handbook...
doesn't critical thinking require considering more than one side of an issue...?
every other channel in boston looks at the other side of the issue, so this extreme forces you to think critically because you hear both sides.
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Who or what in god's name is "D&C"? Is that a news channel? A website? A sweet, savory nighttime snack?
John Dennis & Jerry Callahan. Morning talk hosts on Boston sports station WEEI. Very popular. Mostly annoying.
So they're talk show hosts? Like Howard Stern, but sports-focused? Umm yeah, that's surely a good source for critical, breaking news like this. Who wouldn't rely on them for such important coverage? Considering that they're only regional and not nationally known, I can't think of a better source for the leaked steroid list.
Well they work for the annually ranked number 1 sports radio station in the country. And have a prominent timeslot and are one of the highest rated shows in the boston area as well as both of them having carreers as sports writers for the Boston Herald. I would trust what they say......
Couldn't have said any of that better myself. Callahan can get a little too crazy at times but there isnt another morning show out there that mixes sports, politics, and humor together as well as those three (can't forget Meter, haha.)
If you want to bash EEI (like so many on this site love to do) then aim it at the Big Show. D&C is for those who, as has been mentioned in this thread, like to "think critically" and laugh a bit at 8am.
"think critically"? Every opinion is straight out of the conservative handbook...
doesn't critical thinking require considering more than one side of an issue...?
every other channel in boston looks at the other side of the issue, so this extreme forces you to think critically because you hear both sides.
you think the "Right" is lacking a voice in radio? Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Mike Reagan, Laura Ingraham, Glen Beck, Bill O'Reilly...the list goes on and on....
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Who or what in god's name is "D&C"? Is that a news channel? A website? A sweet, savory nighttime snack?
John Dennis & Jerry Callahan. Morning talk hosts on Boston sports station WEEI. Very popular. Mostly annoying.
So they're talk show hosts? Like Howard Stern, but sports-focused? Umm yeah, that's surely a good source for critical, breaking news like this. Who wouldn't rely on them for such important coverage? Considering that they're only regional and not nationally known, I can't think of a better source for the leaked steroid list.
Well they work for the annually ranked number 1 sports radio station in the country. And have a prominent timeslot and are one of the highest rated shows in the boston area as well as both of them having carreers as sports writers for the Boston Herald. I would trust what they say......
Couldn't have said any of that better myself. Callahan can get a little too crazy at times but there isnt another morning show out there that mixes sports, politics, and humor together as well as those three (can't forget Meter, haha.)
If you want to bash EEI (like so many on this site love to do) then aim it at the Big Show. D&C is for those who, as has been mentioned in this thread, like to "think critically" and laugh a bit at 8am.
"think critically"? Every opinion is straight out of the conservative handbook...
doesn't critical thinking require considering more than one side of an issue...?
every other channel in boston looks at the other side of the issue, so this extreme forces you to think critically because you hear both sides.
you think the "Right" is lacking a voice in radio? Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Mike Reagan, Laura Ingraham, Glen Beck, Bill O'Reilly...the list goes on and on....
I was more targeting every other form of media including The Globe as well as all local TV newscast and national tv newscast. But those are mostly morning shows so if you listen to D and C you wont hear the others
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Who or what in god's name is "D&C"? Is that a news channel? A website? A sweet, savory nighttime snack?
John Dennis & Jerry Callahan. Morning talk hosts on Boston sports station WEEI. Very popular. Mostly annoying.
So they're talk show hosts? Like Howard Stern, but sports-focused? Umm yeah, that's surely a good source for critical, breaking news like this. Who wouldn't rely on them for such important coverage? Considering that they're only regional and not nationally known, I can't think of a better source for the leaked steroid list.
Well they work for the annually ranked number 1 sports radio station in the country. And have a prominent timeslot and are one of the highest rated shows in the boston area as well as both of them having carreers as sports writers for the Boston Herald. I would trust what they say......
Couldn't have said any of that better myself. Callahan can get a little too crazy at times but there isnt another morning show out there that mixes sports, politics, and humor together as well as those three (can't forget Meter, haha.)
If you want to bash EEI (like so many on this site love to do) then aim it at the Big Show. D&C is for those who, as has been mentioned in this thread, like to "think critically" and laugh a bit at 8am.
So they're entertaining. Fine. I get that. But how have they established themselves as a bona fide news source? Have they ever been the first to scoop a big story before? Ever?
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Dude, Im not sure if they have because they have the 6-10 shift. So im not sure how much breaking news occurs during their shift. But Man, I think the BC football coach leaving was broken on the show. But the station itself breaks news routinely. Dude, dude, man
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Dude, Im not sure if they have because they have the 6-10 shift. So im not sure how much breaking news occurs during their shift. But Man, I think the BC football coach leaving was broken on the show. But the station itself breaks news routinely. Dude, dude, man
I like the way you talk, man. We should totally hang out. Brohug the night away. Really rip it up. That schizz be so tight. FTW
Aside from how full of win you obviously are, isn't the BC coach leaving a regional story? Ok so they scooped that. But this steroid list would be the biggest, most controversial sports story of the year. Do you really think a couple of local yokels would be the first to get their hands on it? I find that to be highly dubious.
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Fans were pretty ****ed about it, eight years ago. You can only be outraged so long, especially when you still watch and love baseball.
I agree. outrage has all but disappeared. but isn't that contrary to the "long-standing damage to the sport and its records" argument for the initial outrage.
to me, the waning outrage is more supporting the Barry Bonds- centric view of why this was initially such a big story in baseball as opposed to the level of outrage against steroids in other sports.
I think the steps baseball has taken to clean up the game has dampened it, as has the time and retirement of many of the key figures in the controversy. Fans were upset by it, but they were not willing to stop buying/watching MLB.
I think Bonds was merely the poster-child for the numbers, he broke all the HR records after all.
*shrug* whatever I'm not that into baseball. I'd like for the Cubs to win, but I don't stress about it.
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OK Im not sure how much I want to argue about it, but Im sure anybody here can tell you weei is a very respectable source.
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Who or what in god's name is "D&C"? Is that a news channel? A website? A sweet, savory nighttime snack?
John Dennis & Jerry Callahan. Morning talk hosts on Boston sports station WEEI. Very popular. Mostly annoying.
Psssh speak for yourself, I find there viewpoints refreshing in a liberal dominated media. Its nice to hear the other sides of things for once. But at the same time take what they say with a grain of salt.
The political stuff is annoying...I know, I know, I know...it's entertainment, and if I don't like it I don't have to listen to it, but it's the only outlet for sports radio...there are plenty of other outlets for politics. And while I don't generally agree with their views, I'd have an easier time listening to them if they weren't so [dang]ed crass with the callers. So yeh, I'd say they're annoying.
There's always Mike & Mike or 1510 the zone.
Don't you think it gets old if you are harping on the same sports topics EVERY morning for 4 hours? I mean how much Big Papi talk can you stand before you go insane? that's why i can't do the Big Show very often. I guess i can understand that some people don't want to talk about current events or politics, but i enjoy being updated on important events that are in the headlines.
Can't get them on the Cape. I could barely get WEEI in until a local FM station picked up a syndication recently.
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http://deadspin.com/5304675/why-the-new-alleged-steroids-list-is-a-crock
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This is fake.
No source provided (it originated at a random website 2 days ago (again with no source)
jeremy burnitz is listed twice (well he was when the list was intitially released, but it has since been edited)
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OK Im not sure how much I want to argue about it, but Im sure anybody here can tell you weei is a very respectable source.
Not for national, critically important, breaking news it isn't.
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Well that just makes clear your ignorance on the topic. They didnt claim to have the list, they just said the list was leaked. Thats what this thread is about. Which is national news. As the number one ranked sports radio station in the country, they are as credible as any news outlet across the country.
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OK Im not sure how much I want to argue about it, but Im sure anybody here can tell you weei is a very respectable source.
For what?
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OK Im not sure how much I want to argue about it, but Im sure anybody here can tell you weei is a very respectable source.
For what?
Sports News
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OK Im not sure how much I want to argue about it, but Im sure anybody here can tell you weei is a very respectable source.
For what?
Sports News
They break news on EEI? I thought they usually let other people do the reporting and then talk about it. I can't remember the last time there was news on EEI.
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OK Im not sure how much I want to argue about it, but Im sure anybody here can tell you weei is a very respectable source.
For what?
Sports News
They break news on EEI? I thought they usually let other people do the reporting and then talk about it. I can't remember the last time there was news on EEI.
I'd say that's accurate about 95% of the time. The Flashes usually consist of mentioning reports from other outlets.
However, there are some occasions where their weekly interviews end up resulting in breaking news stories that end up going national. Not too often though.
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But the point is that they do break news, and they are very accurate.
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But the point is that they do break news, and they are very accurate.
But again, this isn't them breaking news. This is them talking about a list on rotoinfo.com, they're not actually reporting anything. Also, they can blame their source, the web-site, and claim that they were just talking about it to spark conversation and not as fact if the whole thing turns out to be a crock. Either way, they aren't reporting nor have they "broken" any news. EEI offers sports conversation and the occasional intriguing perspective on an issue, but lets not pretend they're the associated press.
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WOW! If this list is legit.
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But the point is that they do break news, and they are very accurate.
Maybe the radio station does, on occasion. But not this stupid radio show. It's nothing more than local entertainment, only interested in generating fan interest/listenership, and subsequently incoming callers. As is proven by the fact that this steroid list is utterly and completely heresay. But they weren't interested in the actual validity of the list, were they? No, not at all. They just wanted to be controversial and have people talking about their crappy radio show (that the rest of the country has never even heard of).
"D&C" are not sports journalists who scoop news stories. They are talk show hosts. Big difference. If this list were legit, it would've come from Peter Gammons or SI. Not 2 random dudes on local Boston radio.