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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: ssspence on January 25, 2013, 08:42:24 AM
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Hearing Celts, even before season-worst 7-for-32 shooting from 15+ feet in NYK loss, have ramped up their interest in Magic's J.J. Redick
Size obviously Celts' priority if they do deal before Feb. 21 trade deadline but word is they hope to work way into Redick mix if they can
Wonder what they're offering. I hope it's Terry, but fear it's Lee.
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I would trade Lee for Redick in a heartbeat. Redick is a much better shooter and spaces the floor a lot more than Lee can. While he is not as good of a defender one on one, he is very good team defender . We can run some of the same plays we ran for Ray when he was here, allowing Terry to stop running around picks and put the ball in his hands more while redick spaces the floor for the bench .
Other than PP and Terry we have no reliable outside shooters.
Get redick for Lee and then pick up a backup center and hope for the best .
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I would trade Lee for Redick in a heartbeat. Redick is a much better shooter and spaces the floor a lot more than Lee can. While he is not as good of a defender one on one, he is very good team defender . We can run some of the same plays we ran for Ray when he was here, allowing Terry to stop running around picks and put the ball in his hands more while redick spaces the floor for the bench .
Other than PP and Terry we have no reliable outside shooters.
Get redick for Lee and then pick up a backup center and hope for the best .
Personally I would hate to see Lee go. I like his game, he seems to be playing with great effort and intensity. Personally I think Lee gives almost as much as Bradley does to this team (a little less on the defense end but a little more on the offense end.)
I would hate to see Lee go unless it was for a game changing big. And in that case I would still hate to loose him.
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I like what Lee brings, but I would move him for J.J.
Redick is simply a better player. A lot of folks assume J.J. doesn't play D because of his physical appearance, but he's actually turned himself into an above-average defender.
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Trading for Redick just doesn't make sense unless it's part of a larger deal.
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I would trade Lee for Redick in a heartbeat. Redick is a much better shooter and spaces the floor a lot more than Lee can. While he is not as good of a defender one on one, he is very good team defender . We can run some of the same plays we ran for Ray when he was here, allowing Terry to stop running around picks and put the ball in his hands more while redick spaces the floor for the bench .
Other than PP and Terry we have no reliable outside shooters.
Get redick for Lee and then pick up a backup center and hope for the best .
Personally I would hate to see Lee go. I like his game, he seems to be playing with great effort and intensity. Personally I think Lee gives almost as much as Bradley does to this team (a little less on the defense end but a little more on the offense end.)
I would hate to see Lee go unless it was for a game changing big. And in that case I would still hate to loose him.
Agreed.
Plus he's a huge fan of the culture, the players and the team as a whole right now.
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I would trade Lee for Redick in a heartbeat. Redick is a much better shooter and spaces the floor a lot more than Lee can. While he is not as good of a defender one on one, he is very good team defender . We can run some of the same plays we ran for Ray when he was here, allowing Terry to stop running around picks and put the ball in his hands more while redick spaces the floor for the bench .
Other than PP and Terry we have no reliable outside shooters.
Get redick for Lee and then pick up a backup center and hope for the best .
Personally I would hate to see Lee go. I like his game, he seems to be playing with great effort and intensity. Personally I think Lee gives almost as much as Bradley does to this team (a little less on the defense end but a little more on the offense end.)
I would hate to see Lee go unless it was for a game changing big. And in that case I would still hate to loose him.
This x2. Big fan of Lee and would hate to lose him. He is just entering his prime and on a very good contract for what he brings. Remember, Redick is a free agent after this year and has apparently already voiced that he wants a raise from his 6.19 mill. Are you JJ supporters prepared to give him an Aaron Aaflalo deal?
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Trading for Redick just doesn't make sense unless it's part of a larger deal.
It does.
My Boy JJ is a very underrated scorer. He can help us with our scoring. Very good playmaking skills as well, meaning we can have another fscilitator when Rondo is taking a breather.
The best thing about it, you can run him on the "that guy" offense where he runs around screens to get open. Add his good passing and we improve on offense greatly.
He's a very solid defender too. Id trade Lee and/or Jet for him in a HEARTBEAT!
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I'm A-ok with interest in Reddick.
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I was against the idea a few days ago when it first came up but I am coming around to it now.
I do think Redick is the better backup SG but I thought Lee's superior defense would have been more useful in matching up against D-Wade and the Miami Heat (which I feel is key to beating to Miami). I really liked having both Bradley and Lee to throw at Wade.
But now, now I think I undervalued just how much Boston needs extra shooters offensively. Even if Redick is not quite as useful against Miami as Lee was, Redick is a necessary and the superior weapon to have.
So I am in. A Redick for Lee based trade. Do it.
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Trading for Redick just doesn't make sense unless it's part of a larger deal.
It does.
My Boy JJ is a very underrated scorer. He can help us with our scoring. Very good playmaking skills as well, meaning we can have another fscilitator when Rondo is taking a breather.
The best thing about it, you can run him on the "that guy" offense where he runs around screens to get open. Add his good passing and we improve on offense greatly.
He's a very solid defender too. Id trade Lee and/or Jet for him in a HEARTBEAT!
Like a poster above said. JJ is a free agent after this year and wants a raise from his 6.19 mil. If we didnt want to give Perk 7 mil a year would we really want to give JJ 7 to 8 mil a year? I mean I think thats absurd for what he brings. Lee is on a good contract entering his prime.
JJ is playing and shooting really well for a terrible Magic team. Would he be able to get enough minutes and touches on the Celtics to make an impact? Im leary of that.
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I am not sure how much value Boston would get out of Redick's passing.
I thought the same when Jason Terry came here and he clearly hasn't been given the opportunities within the offense to do that. The C's offense doesn't seem conducive to getting the best out of Redick's ball-handling and passing skills.
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Trading for Redick just doesn't make sense unless it's part of a larger deal.
It does.
My Boy JJ is a very underrated scorer. He can help us with our scoring. Very good playmaking skills as well, meaning we can have another fscilitator when Rondo is taking a breather.
The best thing about it, you can run him on the "that guy" offense where he runs around screens to get open. Add his good passing and we improve on offense greatly.
He's a very solid defender too. Id trade Lee and/or Jet for him in a HEARTBEAT!
I'm not saying it wouldn't help the team a little bit.
But this team is so far from being a nice role playing shooter away from contending that it's crazy. Why trade a young guy on a reasonable contract who has a nice all-around game for an expiring guy who won't make a huge difference right now and who will probably leave in the off-season?
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I like what Lee brings, but I would move him for J.J.
Redick is simply a better player. A lot of folks assume J.J. doesn't play D because of his physical appearance, but he's actually turned himself into an above-average defender.
I was really impressed a few years back when he did a great job against Ray in the playoffs.
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I am not sure how much value Boston would get out of Redick's passing.
I thought the same when Jason Terry came here and he clearly hasn't been given the opportunities within the offense to do that. The C's offense doesn't seem conducive to getting the best out of Redick's ball-handling and passing skills.
Yep. You can basically assume they'll just run him off screens or spot him up on the wings. Plug him into all of Ray's old plays.
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I am not sure how much value Boston would get out of Redick's passing.
I thought the same when Jason Terry came here and he clearly hasn't been given the opportunities within the offense to do that. The C's offense doesn't seem conducive to getting the best out of Redick's ball-handling and passing skills.
I think Redick would be a better fit than Terry, just because Redick has more experience playing effectively off the ball. You are right that his passing and ball handling won't be used that much, but it still will be nice to have someone else who can swing the ball and make the right pass.
I still can't wrap my head around what you would trade for him. I guess the C's could move one of their mid-level type guys (Bass, Terry, Lee), and perhaps a pick or Melo to sweeten the pot.
The other scenario is trying to work Redick into a bigger deal for someone like Pierce or Rondo.
While it is still tough to imagine the C's trading Pierce, it could make some sense if they were to trade him for a big man, and then try to get Redick back as part of the package to replace him.
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I was against the idea a few days ago when it first came up but I am coming around to it now.
I do think Redick is the better backup SG but I thought Lee's superior defense would have been more useful in matching up against D-Wade and the Miami Heat (which I feel is key to beating to Miami). I really liked having both Bradley and Lee to throw at Wade.
But now, now I think I undervalued just how much Boston needs extra shooters offensively. Even if Redick is not quite as useful against Miami as Lee was, Redick is a necessary and the superior weapon to have.
So I am in. A Redick for Lee based trade. Do it.
I'm not. I still think that Lee's defense will be more instrumental, and I think Lee plays offense well enough that I don't think Redick will bring a lot to our team. Much of Lee's problems offensively are opportunity issues, something I'm not sure Redick will solve. Redick will come here, have a limited role, less opportunities to use his shooting abilities, while not impacting the game defensively as Lee can.
A Lee for Redick trade just doesn't look good to me. We need someone like Lee. Given, we could use someone like Redick too, but I don't think we need to get one at the expense of Lee. Terry should be able to provide the Redick role, but for some reason he's missing his shots at the moment. He started the year very hot, so I find it hard to believe that he'll continue to struggle this way, particularly when we need him the most late in the year.
What about a Redick + Harrington for Bass and Terry and a pick? Would they go for that?
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I think he would be a good fit as the co-sg with Bradley. It creates the good defensive/offensive combo switch.
I would give up Lee, not Terry.
Let Reddick take the Ray role and free Terry to be more of a ball handler/creator.
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What about a Redick + Harrington for Bass and Terry and a pick? Would they go for that?
Al Harrington still hasn't played yet this season. I would be worried about what type of shape he is and whether he can be relied upon for the playoffs. Not the more reliable of performers even without the injury.
It's a shame because A.Harrington was coming off his best year in about 5-6 years. I would have loved to have seen Boston make a run at him after the Dwight Howard trade because I think his scoring / shooting ability at PF and ability to create mismatches would have been hugely valuable for this Celtics team.
But, I wouldn't take the chance on his health at this point. Too concerned about the late season return, his conditioning post-return and with his track record of inconsistency in the past. Too large a risk for me.
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What about a Redick + Harrington for Bass and Terry and a pick? Would they go for that?
Al Harrington still hasn't played yet this season. I would be worried about what type of shape he is and whether he can be relied upon for the playoffs. Not the more reliable of performers even without the injury.
It's a shame because A.Harrington was coming off his best year in about 5-6 years. I would have loved to have seen Boston make a run at him after the Dwight Howard trade because I think his scoring / shooting ability at PF and ability to create mismatches would have been hugely valuable for this Celtics team.
But, I wouldn't take the chance on his health at this point. Too concerned about the late season return, his conditioning post-return and with his track record of inconsistency in the past. Too large a risk for me.
Ah crap, didn't notice he wasn't playing this year... no wonder I didn't have much of an opinion on how he's been playing lol.
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I am not sure how much value Boston would get out of Redick's passing.
I thought the same when Jason Terry came here and he clearly hasn't been given the opportunities within the offense to do that. The C's offense doesn't seem conducive to getting the best out of Redick's ball-handling and passing skills.
I think Redick would be a better fit than Terry, just because Redick has more experience playing effectively off the ball. You are right that his passing and ball handling won't be used that much, but it still will be nice to have someone else who can swing the ball and make the right pass.
I still can't wrap my head around what you would trade for him. I guess the C's could move one of their mid-level type guys (Bass, Terry, Lee), and perhaps a pick or Melo to sweeten the pot.
The other scenario is trying to work Redick into a bigger deal for someone like Pierce or Rondo.
While it is still tough to imagine the C's trading Pierce, it could make some sense if they were to trade him for a big man, and then try to get Redick back as part of the package to replace him.
Tough to see the package for Rondo. Reddick, Vucevic and Nelson for Rondo, Lee or Terry, and Melo?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a46hkn3
And Bass makes no sense for them, neither does Lee really. Green (wishful thinking)?
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How about
Orl sends: JJ Redick and BBD
Bos sends: Lee and Bass
I want my baby back
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv3I6mz0tBY
At least he would already know the defensive rotations and can guard the center spot off the bench ...
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How about
Orl sends: JJ Redick and BBD
Bos sends: Lee and Bass
I want my baby back
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv3I6mz0tBY
At least he would already know the defensive rotations and can guard the center spot off the bench ...
Hey Otis -- my man! How about you send me a good PF and a good SG for an average SG and a below average PF? Ya ya.. i know already traded those PFs once and Baby's kicking tail for you, but c'mon man.....
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How about
Orl sends: JJ Redick and BBD
Bos sends: Lee and Bass
I want my baby back
At least he would already know the defensive rotations and can guard the center spot off the bench ...
I actually think you could be on to something. Orlando won't want Bass back, but Davis is a bad contract for Orlando. They are better off freeing up that cap space and building around the Nicholson/Vucevic frontcourt.
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How about
Orl sends: JJ Redick and BBD
Bos sends: Lee and Bass
I want my baby back
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv3I6mz0tBY
At least he would already know the defensive rotations and can guard the center spot off the bench ...
Bring Baby back?!?
(http://i969.photobucket.com/albums/ae177/vrphotoz/random/charlie-brown-argh.jpg)
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I am not sure how much value Boston would get out of Redick's passing.
I thought the same when Jason Terry came here and he clearly hasn't been given the opportunities within the offense to do that. The C's offense doesn't seem conducive to getting the best out of Redick's ball-handling and passing skills.
I think Redick would be a better fit than Terry, just because Redick has more experience playing effectively off the ball. You are right that his passing and ball handling won't be used that much, but it still will be nice to have someone else who can swing the ball and make the right pass.
I still can't wrap my head around what you would trade for him. I guess the C's could move one of their mid-level type guys (Bass, Terry, Lee), and perhaps a pick or Melo to sweeten the pot.
The other scenario is trying to work Redick into a bigger deal for someone like Pierce or Rondo.
While it is still tough to imagine the C's trading Pierce, it could make some sense if they were to trade him for a big man, and then try to get Redick back as part of the package to replace him.
Tough to see the package for Rondo. Reddick, Vucevic and Nelson for Rondo, Lee or Terry, and Melo?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a46hkn3
And Bass makes no sense for them, neither does Lee really. Green (wishful thinking)?
I was thinking more with the Magic being the third team in a deal.
Something like:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b7hwonp
With the C's also getting a first rounder from the Magic.
And yes, I absolutely believe that Gay is still on the market. The reason Memphis made the trade when they did, was so that they could have some leverage to trade Gay without having to worry as much about the luxury tax this year.
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Personally not a huge fan of Redick and don't see why the Celtics would be targeting him unless the real reason is to discard one of their recent 2-guard signings that they feel do not fit into the team scheme, philosophy or locker room.
In this case, swapping Lee or Terry for Redick makes sense because Redick plays a similar game to Lee but can also handle the ball well enough to run an offense to be the PG when Rondo sits.
Another good thing, it gets the C's out from under all the extra years they tacked on to Lee or Terry's contracts. Redick is an unrestricted free agent next year.
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I am not sure how much value Boston would get out of Redick's passing.
I thought the same when Jason Terry came here and he clearly hasn't been given the opportunities within the offense to do that. The C's offense doesn't seem conducive to getting the best out of Redick's ball-handling and passing skills.
I think Redick would be a better fit than Terry, just because Redick has more experience playing effectively off the ball. You are right that his passing and ball handling won't be used that much, but it still will be nice to have someone else who can swing the ball and make the right pass.
I still can't wrap my head around what you would trade for him. I guess the C's could move one of their mid-level type guys (Bass, Terry, Lee), and perhaps a pick or Melo to sweeten the pot.
The other scenario is trying to work Redick into a bigger deal for someone like Pierce or Rondo.
While it is still tough to imagine the C's trading Pierce, it could make some sense if they were to trade him for a big man, and then try to get Redick back as part of the package to replace him.
Tough to see the package for Rondo. Reddick, Vucevic and Nelson for Rondo, Lee or Terry, and Melo?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a46hkn3
And Bass makes no sense for them, neither does Lee really. Green (wishful thinking)?
I was thinking more with the Magic being the third team in a deal.
Something like:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b7hwonp
With the C's also getting a first rounder from the Magic.
And yes, I absolutely believe that Gay is still on the market. The reason Memphis made the trade when they did, was so that they could have some leverage to trade Gay without having to worry as much about the luxury tax this year.
giving up the captain for redeick and a draft pick? no thanks....
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Of course, what would make the most sense is if Danny could convince the Magic to take Terry and a protected first rounder for Redick. Its probably wishful thinking...but that doesn't mean this whole rumor isn't based on wishful thinking on danny's part anyways.
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I am not sure how much value Boston would get out of Redick's passing.
I thought the same when Jason Terry came here and he clearly hasn't been given the opportunities within the offense to do that. The C's offense doesn't seem conducive to getting the best out of Redick's ball-handling and passing skills.
I think Redick would be a better fit than Terry, just because Redick has more experience playing effectively off the ball. You are right that his passing and ball handling won't be used that much, but it still will be nice to have someone else who can swing the ball and make the right pass.
I still can't wrap my head around what you would trade for him. I guess the C's could move one of their mid-level type guys (Bass, Terry, Lee), and perhaps a pick or Melo to sweeten the pot.
The other scenario is trying to work Redick into a bigger deal for someone like Pierce or Rondo.
While it is still tough to imagine the C's trading Pierce, it could make some sense if they were to trade him for a big man, and then try to get Redick back as part of the package to replace him.
Tough to see the package for Rondo. Reddick, Vucevic and Nelson for Rondo, Lee or Terry, and Melo?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a46hkn3
And Bass makes no sense for them, neither does Lee really. Green (wishful thinking)?
I was thinking more with the Magic being the third team in a deal.
Something like:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b7hwonp
With the C's also getting a first rounder from the Magic.
And yes, I absolutely believe that Gay is still on the market. The reason Memphis made the trade when they did, was so that they could have some leverage to trade Gay without having to worry as much about the luxury tax this year.
So do I. But ouch -- that's a pretty light haul for Pierce, particularly if that pick were in this years draft, and considering Reddick's pending UFA status.
I'd be more interested if Vucevic were in there over Roberts. He's not great, but a better player and asset.
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Anything doing with this trade?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bh2jnbo (http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bh2jnbo)
I dunno I got bored. Helps us out.
Rondo/Terry
Bradley/Reddick
Pierce/Green
KG/Sully
Gortat/Wilcox
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Personally not a huge fan of Redick and don't see why the Celtics would be targeting him unless the real reason is to discard one of their recent 2-guard signings that they feel do not fit into the team scheme, philosophy or locker room.
In this case, swapping Lee or Terry for Redick makes sense because Redick plays a similar game to Lee but can also handle the ball well enough to run an offense to be the PG when Rondo sits.
Another good thing, it gets the C's out from under all the extra years they tacked on to Lee or Terry's contracts. Redick is an unrestricted free agent next year.
How are Lee and Redick's game the same? They seem to be the exact opposite. Redick as a backup pg would be awful! A press would devour him.
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I'd try to get then to take Green. I really like Terry and Lee for when we hit the playoffs. We'd have way too many guards, though.
As good a shooter as Redick is, I don't think we have room for him. Maybe we could try to get a good three-point shooting SF. Not sure who that would be.
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I'd try to get then to take Green. I really like Terry and Lee for when we hit the playoffs. We'd have way too many guards, though.
As good a shooter as Redick is, I don't think we have room for him. Maybe we could try to get a good three-point shooting SF. Not sure who that would be.
Why would the Celtics trade their only small forward that is in their prime?
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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b5pnnum
Boston:
Gortat
Redick
Orlando:
Lee
1st Rd Pick (2013)
Phoenix:
Bass
Melo
1st Rd Pick (lottery protected 2015)
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I'd try to get then to take Green. I really like Terry and Lee for when we hit the playoffs. We'd have way too many guards, though.
As good a shooter as Redick is, I don't think we have room for him. Maybe we could try to get a good three-point shooting SF. Not sure who that would be.
Steve Novak. Lol.
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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b5pnnum
Boston:
Gortat
Redick
Orlando:
Lee
1st Rd Pick (2013)
Phoenix:
Bass
Melo
1st Rd Pick (lottery protected 2015)
I do that in a second. Gives us the same lineup as the trade I suggested above but takes away the complicated extra players involved between orlando and phoenix.
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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b5pnnum
Boston:
Gortat
Redick
Orlando:
Lee
1st Rd Pick (2013)
Phoenix:
Bass
Melo
1st Rd Pick (lottery protected 2015)
I do that in a second. Gives us the same lineup as the trade I suggested above but takes away the complicated extra players involved between orlando and phoenix.
Yea i would love that trade, but not sure you can get gortat without giving up sully
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I'd look for the Celtics to find a third team to give up Bass and get Reddick. I like what Lee brings to the table and bass is expendable. I'd LOVE to have Reddick, great shooter and isn't as terrible on D as people make him out to be from what i've seen.
BOS gets: Reddick
CHA gets: Bass and a 1st
ORL gets: Gerald Henderson and Reggie Williams
Yeah, i'd like that.
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i want to trade terry but doubt that he could get it done if so great
I like reddicks game wouldn't want to give up Lee but its an upgrade for sure. Do not like the 1/2 year rental idea for ANY player so would hope it would be worked out to have contract in mind for next year
maybe bass & terry are earmarked for gortat so lee can go for jj?
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I'd look for the Celtics to find a third team to give up Bass and get Reddick. I like what Lee brings to the table and bass is expendable. I'd LOVE to have Reddick, great shooter and isn't as terrible on D as people make him out to be from what i've seen.
BOS gets: Reddick
CHA gets: Bass and a 1st
ORL gets: Gerald Henderson and Reggie Williams
Yeah, i'd like that.
Bass is only expendable if you are getting another big man back. If we trade Bass for redick that leaves us with no backup pf or center .
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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b5pnnum
Boston:
Gortat
Redick
Orlando:
Lee
1st Rd Pick (2013)
Phoenix:
Bass
Melo
1st Rd Pick (lottery protected 2015)
I do that in a second. Gives us the same lineup as the trade I suggested above but takes away the complicated extra players involved between orlando and phoenix.
Yea i would love that trade, but not sure you can get gortat without giving up sully
I think we can get Gortat without Sully but the price would probably be picking up Beasley's contract.
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Personally not a huge fan of Redick and don't see why the Celtics would be targeting him unless the real reason is to discard one of their recent 2-guard signings that they feel do not fit into the team scheme, philosophy or locker room.
In this case, swapping Lee or Terry for Redick makes sense because Redick plays a similar game to Lee but can also handle the ball well enough to run an offense to be the PG when Rondo sits.
Another good thing, it gets the C's out from under all the extra years they tacked on to Lee or Terry's contracts. Redick is an unrestricted free agent next year.
How are Lee and Redick's game the same? They seem to be the exact opposite. Redick as a backup pg would be awful! A press would devour him.
Lee and Redick are both pretty decent though not great defenders. Redick's defense is more team and scheme oriented while Lee's defense is more one on one oriented. They are both good size shooting guards and both are very good three point shooters.
Redick has handled the ball a lot in the Orlando offense over the years. He's an above average passer and decent ball handler. For 5 minutes a half, he could run the Boston offense. He's been doing the same thing in Orlando for years and hasn't been a disaster to the Orlando offense.
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Yeah Lee/Reddick are very similar players. Reddick just brings more passing and shooting, Lee more defense.
Lee's done a solid job bringing the ball up and handling some when Rondo's out. Reddick would easily handle the same amount of responsibility.
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Love Reddick. He would be the best shooter on the team by far, and we need that. Watching this team shoot is painful, hell they can't even hit free throws anymore.
Reddick is MUCH better than Lee or Terry.
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Much better is a ridiculous statement to make.
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I just can't see what ORL wants to pay Lee for 4 years when they have Afflalo for the same amount of time.
Lee doesn't make much sense for them. Neither does Terry. Certainly not Bass. Green would be the most logical, but still far fetched.
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Who cares that much about this kind of trade? A Lee or Terry swap for Reddick is only the slightest upgrade to the overall complexion of the team and how they will perform.
J.J. Reddick is not the impact player we need to shake this roster up, not even close.
I am only happy with this move if it is the first move of 2 or 3 others, or a 3/4-team trade, where more of our parts go bye-bye, and a legit impact player or two return.
This kind of trade is p---ing in to the wind, if real change is the expected result.
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Who cares that much about this kind of trade? A Lee or Terry swap for Reddick is only the slightest upgrade to the overall complexion of the team and how they will perform.
J.J. Reddick is not the impact player we need to shake this roster up, not even close.
I am only happy with this move if it is the first move of 2 or 3 others, or a 3/4-team trade, where more of our parts go bye-bye, and a legit impact player or two return.
This kind of trade is p---ing in to the wind, if real change is the expected result.
I'm with you on this. Especially since, in the offseason, there will be Reddick's contract status to deal with.
We're not contenders this year. Trading for someone who will make us slightly better now (in the short run) is not the right move, IMHO.
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Personally not a huge fan of Redick and don't see why the Celtics would be targeting him unless the real reason is to discard one of their recent 2-guard signings that they feel do not fit into the team scheme, philosophy or locker room.
In this case, swapping Lee or Terry for Redick makes sense because Redick plays a similar game to Lee but can also handle the ball well enough to run an offense to be the PG when Rondo sits.
Another good thing, it gets the C's out from under all the extra years they tacked on to Lee or Terry's contracts. Redick is an unrestricted free agent next year.
How are Lee and Redick's game the same? They seem to be the exact opposite. Redick as a backup pg would be awful! A press would devour him.
Lee and Redick are both pretty decent though not great defenders. Redick's defense is more team and scheme oriented while Lee's defense is more one on one oriented. They are both good size shooting guards and both are very good three point shooters.
Redick has handled the ball a lot in the Orlando offense over the years. He's an above average passer and decent ball handler. For 5 minutes a half, he could run the Boston offense. He's been doing the same thing in Orlando for years and hasn't been a disaster to the Orlando offense.
From a production standpoint I can see your point. I think they bring the same impact to the game. I don't think Lee is anywhere close to the three point shooter Redick is. I also don't think Redick's defense would be nearly as valuable as Lees.
I understand the point about the team defense but Lee has really stepped up lately in that department. I also really value his ability continue applying ball pressure when AB goes out. In my opinion swapping Lee for Redick only plugs certain holes while opening others.
I would rather trade Terry for Redick. With the way Doc wants to use Terry, Redick just seems to be a better fit. Coming off picks, etc. is how Redick naturally scores where Lee is more of a slasher in the open court and dribble penetrator when given space. Lee and Redick compliment one another more then Terry and Reddick do.
I would not move Lee for Redick. I don't see it as an overall advantage for us unless you want to get out from Lee's deal. Terry on the other hand makes perfect sense based on his skill set and utilization by the coaching staff.
Maybe a three team deal where we move Terry to a third team like Denver and a pick to Orlando could give us Redick. Denver could move Brewer's expiring to Orlando.
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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=argc9o9
What about getting Reddick plus Austin Daye as a taller shooter off the bench. As a throw in Khris Middleton is a better shooter than Joseph (I know Joseph is gone, but Middleton would be our defacto replacement) and may be a good project rfor a future backup sf.
Lineup:
Rondo Terry
Bradley Reddick
Pierce Green
Sullinger Daye
Garnett Wilcox/Collins
Bass has not been playing well, so you would be banking on Sullinger being able to play more. Green would have to move over and play more 4.
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Who cares that much about this kind of trade? A Lee or Terry swap for Reddick is only the slightest upgrade to the overall complexion of the team and how they will perform.
J.J. Reddick is not the impact player we need to shake this roster up, not even close.
I am only happy with this move if it is the first move of 2 or 3 others, or a 3/4-team trade, where more of our parts go bye-bye, and a legit impact player or two return.
This kind of trade is p---ing in to the wind, if real change is the expected result.
I'm with you on this. Especially since, in the offseason, there will be Reddick's contract status to deal with.
We're not contenders this year. Trading for someone who will make us slightly better now (in the short run) is not the right move, IMHO.
I'm only cool with this if it is with the understanding that both Pierce/KG come back, with Pierce making a major adjustment to his contract......why he makes more than KG right now, I will never know.
Reddick is in the final year, so if we send ORL Terry or Lee, then thats 6+ mil more, plus whatever we can get Pierce to restructure with, to then have say 9-12 million more to actually sign someone decent in the off-season.
I'm more at the point of just trading Pierce now as an expiring, and having him come back next season somehow.
Pretty sure both PP/KG are the most aware that this team, as is or plus Reddick, is not going to get much done now, or IF they sneak in to the post-season.
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Personally not a huge fan of Redick and don't see why the Celtics would be targeting him unless the real reason is to discard one of their recent 2-guard signings that they feel do not fit into the team scheme, philosophy or locker room.
In this case, swapping Lee or Terry for Redick makes sense because Redick plays a similar game to Lee but can also handle the ball well enough to run an offense to be the PG when Rondo sits.
Another good thing, it gets the C's out from under all the extra years they tacked on to Lee or Terry's contracts. Redick is an unrestricted free agent next year.
How are Lee and Redick's game the same? They seem to be the exact opposite. Redick as a backup pg would be awful! A press would devour him.
Lee and Redick are both pretty decent though not great defenders. Redick's defense is more team and scheme oriented while Lee's defense is more one on one oriented. They are both good size shooting guards and both are very good three point shooters.
Redick has handled the ball a lot in the Orlando offense over the years. He's an above average passer and decent ball handler. For 5 minutes a half, he could run the Boston offense. He's been doing the same thing in Orlando for years and hasn't been a disaster to the Orlando offense.
From a production standpoint I can see your point. I think they bring the same impact to the game. I don't think Lee is anywhere close to the three point shooter Redick is. I also don't think Redick's defense would be nearly as valuable as Lees.
I understand the point about the team defense but Lee has really stepped up lately in that department. I also really value his ability continue applying ball pressure when AB goes out. In my opinion swapping Lee for Redick only plugs certain holes while opening others.
I would rather trade Terry for Redick. With the way Doc wants to use Terry, Redick just seems to be a better fit. Coming off picks, etc. is how Redick naturally scores where Lee is more of a slasher in the open court and dribble penetrator when given space. Lee and Redick compliment one another more then Terry and Reddick do.
I would not move Lee for Redick. I don't see it as an overall advantage for us unless you want to get out from Lee's deal. Terry on the other hand makes perfect sense based on his skill set and utilization by the coaching staff.
Maybe a three team deal where we move Terry to a third team like Denver and a pick to Orlando could give us Redick. Denver could move Brewer's expiring to Orlando.
The only problem with a package featuring Jason Terry, is that you get more value in trading for a 5-million dollar bag of bricks.
The physical bricks have more face-value, because you can literally build a house with them.
Terry is so beyond worthless to most NBA team right now, I'd imagine.
So let's put down the pipe on a Terry for Reddick swap straight up.
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Who cares that much about this kind of trade? A Lee or Terry swap for Reddick is only the slightest upgrade to the overall complexion of the team and how they will perform.
J.J. Reddick is not the impact player we need to shake this roster up, not even close.
I am only happy with this move if it is the first move of 2 or 3 others, or a 3/4-team trade, where more of our parts go bye-bye, and a legit impact player or two return.
This kind of trade is p---ing in to the wind, if real change is the expected result.
I'm with you on this. Especially since, in the offseason, there will be Reddick's contract status to deal with.
We're not contenders this year. Trading for someone who will make us slightly better now (in the short run) is not the right move, IMHO.
I'm only cool with this if it is with the understanding that both Pierce/KG come back, with Pierce making a major adjustment to his contract......why he makes more than KG right now, I will never know.
Reddick is in the final year, so if we send ORL Terry or Lee, then thats 6+ mil more, plus whatever we can get Pierce to restructure with, to then have say 9-12 million more to actually sign someone decent in the off-season.
I'm more at the point of just trading Pierce now as an expiring, and having him come back next season somehow.
Pretty sure both PP/KG are the most aware that this team, as is or plus Reddick, is not going to get much done now, or IF they sneak in to the post-season.
Sorry, but that's not how cap space works.
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JJ Redick is averaging 5.9 three point attempts in 31 minutes a game and shooting 40%.
Lee and Terry are averaging only 3.2 three attempts in a combined 50 minutes a game and shooting 34 and 35%.
The problem is at least as much the offense as it is the players.
Mike
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I like what Lee brings, but I would move him for J.J.
Redick is simply a better player. A lot of folks assume J.J. doesn't play D because of his physical appearance, but he's actually turned himself into an above-average defender.
I was really impressed a few years back when he did a great job against Ray in the playoffs.
Exactly what I was thinking
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15 pts. / 2 rebs. / 4 asst. / 46% shooting / 39% Three's per game.
Very good teammate, underrated leadership and scoring. He can help our offensive slack right now. I think he's worth the 2 million raise he's going to command. Better that than Lee, who I like, but would not really propel us to win and still be tied up to us.
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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=argc9o9
What about getting Reddick plus Austin Daye as a taller shooter off the bench. As a throw in Khris Middleton is a better shooter than Joseph (I know Joseph is gone, but Middleton would be our defacto replacement) and may be a good project rfor a future backup sf.
Lineup:
Rondo Terry
Bradley Reddick
Pierce Green
Sullinger Daye
Garnett Wilcox/Collins
Bass has not been playing well, so you would be banking on Sullinger being able to play more. Green would have to move over and play more 4.
I don't think sullinger is quite ready to be the starting PF on a championship team
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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=argc9o9
What about getting Reddick plus Austin Daye as a taller shooter off the bench. As a throw in Khris Middleton is a better shooter than Joseph (I know Joseph is gone, but Middleton would be our defacto replacement) and may be a good project rfor a future backup sf.
Lineup:
Rondo Terry
Bradley Reddick
Pierce Green
Sullinger Daye
Garnett Wilcox/Collins
Bass has not been playing well, so you would be banking on Sullinger being able to play more. Green would have to move over and play more 4.
I don't think sullinger is quite ready to be the starting PF on a championship team
I think we're past trying to make this a championship team at this point. We're just trying to be competitive enough to make the playoffs and not embarrass ourselves without compromising the future.
Starting Sullinger makes eminent sense if it helps him develop into a quality starter for the team in the future.
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I like what Lee brings, but I would move him for J.J.
Redick is simply a better player. A lot of folks assume J.J. doesn't play D because of his physical appearance, but he's actually turned himself into an above-average defender.
I was really impressed a few years back when he did a great job against Ray in the playoffs.
Exactly what I was thinking
Nothing to be impressed about. Guarding Ray is not difficult with the right gameplan. Just ask our old friend Wally.
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If the Bass for Mozgov+Randolph rumor has any legs, use them to escape from any trade idea involving JJ Redick or BBD...
What this team needs is Sully starting, and length off the bench, that is, shipping Bass for Mozgov. Include a top 55 protected 2nd round pick and play this team.
Reddick is not better than Courtney Lee, he's just another flavor.
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I like what Lee brings, but I would move him for J.J.
Redick is simply a better player. A lot of folks assume J.J. doesn't play D because of his physical appearance, but he's actually turned himself into an above-average defender.
I was really impressed a few years back when he did a great job against Ray in the playoffs.
Exactly what I was thinking
Nothing to be impressed about. Guarding Ray is not difficult with the right gameplan. Just ask our old friend Wally.
He foug throug a barrage of screens, that isn't really about a gameplan.
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If Josh Smith would just demand a trade to Boston already we could just have them include Kyle Korver who might be a better shooter than redick
Bos sends: Sully,Green, Terry, Melo, Wilcox and a 1st
Atl sends: Josh Smith + Korver
Probably need to find a 3rd team to send Terry to for and expiring to go to atlanta instead
Then sign Kmart and find a sf defender and vet backup c through buyouts
pg: Rondo / Barbosa
SG: Bradley / Lee
SF: PP / Korver
PF: Smith / Bass
C: KG / Collins
get on it danny ;)
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Not sure how relevant you all would make of this but anyone think it's a pro that Reddick has played his entire career on a parquet floor similar to The Garden.
I've heard rumors that many players dislike playing on this style of floor and that could partially account for Terry and Lee's woes from distance this year.
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Three-team deal?
BOS trades Jason Terry, Jason Collins, and Brooklyn 2014 2nd rounder
BOS receives J.J. Redick
MEM trades Jerryd Bayless and Hamed Haddadi
MEM receives Jason Terry and Jason Collins
ORL trades J.J. Redick
ORL receives Jerryd Bayless, Hamed Haddadi, and Brooklyn 2014 2nd rounder
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Three-team deal?
BOS trades Jason Terry, Jason Collins, and Brooklyn 2014 2nd rounder
BOS receives J.J. Redick
MEM trades Jerryd Bayless and Hamed Haddadi
MEM receives Jason Terry and Jason Collins
ORL trades J.J. Redick
ORL receives Jerryd Bayless, Hamed Haddadi, and Brooklyn 2014 2nd rounder
I think that makes sense for everyone, Orlando might have to be talked into it though.
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Three-team deal?
BOS trades Jason Terry, Jason Collins, and Brooklyn 2014 2nd rounder
BOS receives J.J. Redick
MEM trades Jerryd Bayless and Hamed Haddadi
MEM receives Jason Terry and Jason Collins
ORL trades J.J. Redick
ORL receives Jerryd Bayless, Hamed Haddadi, and Brooklyn 2014 2nd rounder
I think that makes sense for everyone, Orlando might have to be talked into it though.
Yeah.
Orlando gets to try out Bayless for the rest of the season (expiring contract) before deciding whether to bring him back as Jameer Nelson's backup (read: starting PG whenever Jameer is out with an inevitable injury). Haddadi is a big man project who probably won't ever amount to much in the NBA. Magic clear a little money off the books, and get a 2nd rounder in a deep draft class, but it may not be enough.
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I like what Lee brings, but I would move him for J.J.
Redick is simply a better player. A lot of folks assume J.J. doesn't play D because of his physical appearance, but he's actually turned himself into an above-average defender.
I was really impressed a few years back when he did a great job against Ray in the playoffs.
Exactly what I was thinking
Nothing to be impressed about. Guarding Ray is not difficult with the right gameplan. Just ask our old friend Wally.
He foug throug a barrage of screens, that isn't really about a gameplan.
It was commitment to defend him, rather than defensive ability. If you're lazy, Ray will make you pay. Else, he's not difficult.
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I like what Lee brings, but I would move him for J.J.
Redick is simply a better player. A lot of folks assume J.J. doesn't play D because of his physical appearance, but he's actually turned himself into an above-average defender.
I was really impressed a few years back when he did a great job against Ray in the playoffs.
Exactly what I was thinking
Nothing to be impressed about. Guarding Ray is not difficult with the right gameplan. Just ask our old friend Wally.
He foug throug a barrage of screens, that isn't really about a gameplan.
It was commitment to defend him, rather than defensive ability. If you're lazy, Ray will make you pay. Else, he's not difficult.
Lazy or get drawn away by rotations and other help responsibility.
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I like what Lee brings, but I would move him for J.J.
Redick is simply a better player. A lot of folks assume J.J. doesn't play D because of his physical appearance, but he's actually turned himself into an above-average defender.
I was really impressed a few years back when he did a great job against Ray in the playoffs.
Exactly what I was thinking
Nothing to be impressed about. Guarding Ray is not difficult with the right gameplan. Just ask our old friend Wally.
He foug throug a barrage of screens, that isn't really about a gameplan.
It was commitment to defend him, rather than defensive ability. If you're lazy, Ray will make you pay. Else, he's not difficult.
I would argue that defense is at least 50% commitment
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Reddick? Why bother.
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Three-team deal?
BOS trades Jason Terry, Jason Collins, and Brooklyn 2014 2nd rounder
BOS receives J.J. Redick
MEM trades Jerryd Bayless and Hamed Haddadi
MEM receives Jason Terry and Jason Collins
ORL trades J.J. Redick
ORL receives Jerryd Bayless, Hamed Haddadi, and Brooklyn 2014 2nd rounder
I think that makes sense for everyone, Orlando might have to be talked into it though.
Yeah.
Orlando gets to try out Bayless for the rest of the season (expiring contract) before deciding whether to bring him back as Jameer Nelson's backup (read: starting PG whenever Jameer is out with an inevitable injury). Haddadi is a big man project who probably won't ever amount to much in the NBA. Magic clear a little money off the books, and get a 2nd rounder in a deep draft class, but it may not be enough.
Memphis is cashstrapped and trying to get under the cap for next years. They wont want terry on his deal.
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Sounds like Redick is definitely getting traded...
John Denton @JohnDenton555
Courtside NBA scout on #Magic SG JJ Redick: "He's the reason there are about 9 of us (scouts) here at the game tonight."
That was from last night.
Lee and a 2nd rd pick for Redick makes a lot of sense. C's need improved 3 pt shooting without giving up too much defensively.
Magic want to sign Redick to a similar contract as lee, but are afraid he will demand more, so they get a solid young sg in return( signed on a good contract for the next few years)
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I think Danny is so interested in Reddick because he sees him as a player you can come in and take Ray's old role. I forget where I read it (may have been a tony allen quote) but it was said that teams used to game plan for the Cs as if Ray was the #1 option. The offence worked off of his motion and the fear the D had of giving him open 3s. Danny though terry was going to fill this role and it hasnt worked.
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If the Bass for Mozgov+Randolph rumor has any legs, use them to escape from any trade idea involving JJ Redick or BBD...
What this team needs is Sully starting, and length off the bench, that is, shipping Bass for Mozgov. Include a top 55 protected 2nd round pick and play this team.
Reddick is not better than Courtney Lee, he's just another flavor.
do you have a link for this??? Mogov and Randolph for Bass??
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I think Danny is so interested in Reddick because he sees him as a player you can come in and take Ray's old role. I forget where I read it (may have been a tony allen quote) but it was said that teams used to game plan for the Cs as if Ray was the #1 option. The offence worked off of his motion and the fear the D had of giving him open 3s. Danny though terry was going to fill this role and it hasnt worked.
I think this is absolutely part of it. The floor spacing has completely fallen apart without a dangerous shooter like Ray or Redick. Ray really did open things up for everyone else.
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I just don't like the idea of trading Lee for Redick. Too much of a lateral move, for a guy that is likely going to want more money than he is worth this off-season. And, as a Duke fan, I LOVE Redick!
The smart move would be to trade Terry for Redick. I just don't see how Orlando would have any interest in Terry. It would have to involve a 3rd team, which could prove very difficult. Not sure very many teams would be interested in Terry, that would also have what Orlando would want.
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Sounds like Redick is definitely getting traded...
John Denton @JohnDenton555
Courtside NBA scout on #Magic SG JJ Redick: "He's the reason there are about 9 of us (scouts) here at the game tonight."
That was from last night.
Lee and a 2nd rd pick for Redick makes a lot of sense. C's need improved 3 pt shooting without giving up too much defensively.
Magic want to sign Redick to a similar contract as lee, but are afraid he will demand more, so they get a solid young sg in return( signed on a good contract for the next few years)
I would like that deal. Terry and Redick would be a very potent shooting back-court.
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Cool I guess...I'm really not interest in doing trades to help this team "contend"
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Reddick coming here to be a backup??!! Haha get real. We all know Bradley is the being traded..
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You can't possibly look at this rumor without saying Boston misses what Ray Ray gave them.
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Reddick coming here to be a backup??!! Haha get real. We all know Bradley is the being traded..
While no one is actually being traded right now, this is just a rumor, I also think you have a bit of a skewed idea of Redick's value. He is a role player, who is a 3 month rental. Those guys generally don't take too much to get.
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Reddick coming here to be a backup??!! Haha get real. We all know Bradley is the being traded..
He's a back-up on the 14-28 Magic. Why is it just a ridiculous notion?
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Reddick coming here to be a backup??!! Haha get real. We all know Bradley is the being traded..
He's a back-up on the 14-28 Magic. Why is it just a ridiculous notion?
Yeah I dont know why Reddick would be starting on the Celtics if he came to us.
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Three-team deal?
BOS trades Jason Terry, Jason Collins, and Brooklyn 2014 2nd rounder
BOS receives J.J. Redick
MEM trades Jerryd Bayless and Hamed Haddadi
MEM receives Jason Terry and Jason Collins
ORL trades J.J. Redick
ORL receives Jerryd Bayless, Hamed Haddadi, and Brooklyn 2014 2nd rounder
I like.
It still gives us some flexibility to make a trade for a big, i.e. Gortat or Smith.
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You can't possibly look at this rumor without saying Boston misses what Ray Ray gave them.
I see it more as indicating that they "miss" what Terry should be giving them.
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Is JJ a FA at season end?
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Is JJ a FA at season end?
Yes.
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Is JJ a FA at season end?
Yes.
Then I wouldnt trade for him...doubt he resign
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banner 18!
Nope, no significant change in our chances for that banner with a reddick trade so I don't really see the point
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Can he play CENTER?????
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Can he play CENTER?????
Because the Celtics should sit on their hands until they find a C?
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I doubt Magic would take Lee..has long contract
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But a reasonable one:-))))) Lee's contract I mean.
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Bass and Lee both played for the Magic so they know what they getting..they may ask for someone else
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I like what Lee brings, but I would move him for J.J.
Redick is simply a better player. A lot of folks assume J.J. doesn't play D because of his physical appearance, but he's actually turned himself into an above-average defender.
I was really impressed a few years back when he did a great job against Ray in the playoffs.
Exactly what I was thinking
Nothing to be impressed about. Guarding Ray is not difficult with the right gameplan. Just ask our old friend Wally.
He foug throug a barrage of screens, that isn't really about a gameplan.
It was commitment to defend him, rather than defensive ability. If you're lazy, Ray will make you pay. Else, he's not difficult.
Lazy or get drawn away by rotations and other help responsibility.
Exactly, but you gameplan him by putting a man on him to shadow him and not help in other defensive schemes and Ray will be a non-factor, other than creating spacing, in the offense.
It's what the Cavs did too, very succesfully, with him... and they had freaking Wally Szczerbiak defending him.
Regardless the point was that stopping Ray as a defender, in the last few years, is nothing to be impressed about in my opinion.
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If it happens, Reddick is only a tweak.
We need more than a tweak.
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I would call picking up Redick a step in the right direction, and not just a "tweak." Semantics I know, but it is a start, certainly not an ending.
How about Jeff Green and a 2nd rounder for Redick (who Orlando will likely lose for nothing) and Nicholson??
Smitty77
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Bass and Lee both played for the Magic so they know what they getting..they may ask for someone else
yeah well they should still regret trading Lee for one...that and it's a different gm and coach
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So the upcoming game against the Magic just got a whole lot more interesting....
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I would call picking up Redick a step in the right direction, and not just a "tweak." Semantics I know, but it is a start, certainly not an ending.
How about Jeff Green and a 2nd rounder for Redick (who Orlando will likely lose for nothing) and Nicholson??
Smitty77
i do that trade
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I would call picking up Redick a step in the right direction, and not just a "tweak." Semantics I know, but it is a start, certainly not an ending.
How about Jeff Green and a 2nd rounder for Redick (who Orlando will likely lose for nothing) and Nicholson??
Smitty77
i do that trade
We get the two best players in the deal.
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Plus a consistent perimeter shooter.
*titter*
I'm down with that move. And anything that adds Reddick to this woeful collection of outside shooting.
I'll worry about center later.
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Just for the record, we need consistent scoring more than we need a big.
We still have the 8th best defense in the league last I checked, but we can't score to save our lives.
Reddick gives us some of the big scoring boost we need. If we can after that we try to add a big too...but scoring is priority.
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I would call picking up Redick a step in the right direction, and not just a "tweak." Semantics I know, but it is a start, certainly not an ending.
How about Jeff Green and a 2nd rounder for Redick (who Orlando will likely lose for nothing) and Nicholson??
Smitty77
i do that trade
We get the two best players in the deal.
Roy, I know that we all think that, but maybe the Magic don't. From what I understand there is someone there in basketball operations who was in the Sonics front office when they drafted Jeff Green, and thinks a lot of him.
Maybe instead of Nicholson, we ask for Harkless, whom they would be more likely to give up than Nicholson, especially since Harkless plays the same position, SF, as Green.
Boston gets: Redick and Harkless
Orlando gets: Green and a pick if necessary
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=auh69ud
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You can't possibly look at this rumor without saying Boston misses what Ray Ray gave them.
C's need three pointing shooting period. They are near the bottom of the league in threes made.
Now saying Doc misses what Ray gave them, that's a different story...
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Woul love to get Nicholson or harkless in that deal . Only problem, stubborn Doc won't play em. Was hopin Nicholson fell to us in the draft. Anything that get jg gone.
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The floor spacing has completely fallen apart without a dangerous shooter like Ray or Redick. Ray really did open things up for everyone else.
This year, Boston is averaging 94.6 points a game on 45.8% shooting, 35.4% from three.
Last year, Boston averaged 91.8 points a game on 46% shooting, 36.7% from three.
If getting Redick means Doc continues to resist structural changes to the offense, I'm not in favor of it.
Mike
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I don't agree Roy. You really think Nicholson is better than Green. Come on, I know you are down on Green, but that is a little over the top IMHO.
Besides, Redick could likely walk as a free agent. I bet that, if Orlando does in fact like Green, they would rather have him and a draft pick than NOTHING for Redick.
Smitty77
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The floor spacing has completely fallen apart without a dangerous shooter like Ray or Redick. Ray really did open things up for everyone else.
This year, Boston is averaging 94.6 points a game on 45.8% shooting, 35.4% from three.
Last year, Boston averaged 91.8 points a game on 46% shooting, 36.7% from three.
If getting Redick means Doc continues to resist structural changes to the offense, I'm not in favor of it.
Mike
This ^
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You can't possibly look at this rumor without saying Boston misses what Ray Ray gave them.
I think it is safe to say Ray was dogging it last year. He gave us very little and his D was nonexistent in the playoffs.
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You can't possibly look at this rumor without saying Boston misses what Ray Ray gave them.
I think it is safe to say Ray was dogging it last year. He gave us very little and his D was nonexistent in the playoffs.
This isn't about Ray but since you brought it up...
his D? Pfft, had he mad a couple more SHOTS things may be different right now! I'd take that same D at that point if he woulda made some of those wide open shots he missed... was out there bricklaying!! I don't miss Ray at all... I do still hold a slight grudge that he built a brick-house during that Mia series instead of helping us get the victory! I won't say we would have won the championship but surely if Ray could have given slightly more we could have probably beaten Mia in 5 (hell, maybe a sweep, because that's how good we played in the playoffs despite Ray's disappearance on O)!!!
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Bringing a player that might not be able to adapt in a system won't solve our offensive woes, no matter how good his shooting is.
The offense heavily relies on the big 3. If only Doc make plays for the role players, ball movement will be much smoother.
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We don't need JJ Redick. We need somebody else besides Rondo who can drive, get into the paint, and make plays when the defense collapses, whether it's scoring a layup, dumping the ball off to a big, or kicking it out to a shooter that leads to a 3 pointer or a hockey assist. That or we need a consistent post threat.
The problem with this C's team is that we very seldom get easy baskets. Can't expect PP to be a consistent iso threat anymore. Redick can make some pick and roll plays and has a very respectable overall game. But he's not a finisher in the paint nor is he meant to be a high use playmaker.
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I can't believe people really think Redick wouldn't fit here.
Redick is a exceptional shooter. He's basically "Ray Allen Light". He's in his prime though, whereas Allen is in his twilight. Redick would fit our offense perfectly. We need a sharpshooter like him.
The only problem I have is what will it take to get him and he's likely to want too much money this summer (which makes him a rental). If we can get him for Terry, or at worst, Lee, it's probably a move we should make.
Even if he is just a rental, it might not be so bad. It could even be a blessing in disguise. Maybe the rebuild happens this summer, in which case, every bit of salary we can jettison is beneficial.
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We don't need JJ Redick. We need somebody else besides Rondo who can drive, get into the paint, and make plays when the defense collapses, whether it's scoring a layup, dumping the ball off to a big, or kicking it out to a shooter that leads to a 3 pointer or a hockey assist. That or we need a consistent post threat.
The problem with this C's team is that we very seldom get easy baskets. Can't expect PP to be a consistent iso threat anymore. Redick can make some pick and roll plays and has a very respectable overall game. But he's not a finisher in the paint nor is he meant to be a high use playmaker.
Amen. We have a jumpshot happy team full of jump shooters. We need an aggressive attacking inside presence.
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We don't need JJ Redick. We need somebody else besides Rondo who can drive, get into the paint, and make plays when the defense collapses, whether it's scoring a layup, dumping the ball off to a big, or kicking it out to a shooter that leads to a 3 pointer or a hockey assist.
I couldn't agree more.
Nowhere near enough dribble penetration outside of Rondo. Far too much of the Celtics offense is being done in front of a set defense. They need someone that can force a double team or draw a help defense. Get them off balance. Get them scrambling. Outside of Rondo, that just doesn't happen anywhere near often enough.
Even a small addition like a JJ Barea or a Will Bynum as the new backup PG would make a considerable difference. Help get the quality spot-up shooters that Boston already has more frequent and better quality spot up shot attempts.