Field Goal Attempts vs Pistons last night

[Who]

The field goal attempts stand out to me:

Tatum - 24 FGAs
Jaylen - 20 FGAs

And ...

Smart - 14 FGAs in 38min

Then ...

Theis - 2 FGAs in 24min
T.Thompson - 4 attempts in 26min
Teague - 5 FGAs in 20min
Pritchard - 3 FGAs in 16min
G.Williams - 7 FGAs in 19min

R.Williams - 2 FGAs in 11min
C.Edwards - 2 FGAs in 4min
Semi - 0 FGAs in 6min


What stands out is just how little offensive punch is there in that supporting cast. There are not even guys who can reliably get scoring opportunities nevermind make good on them.

Without Teague or Pritchard having a big game, Smart is the only other offensive threat out there next to Tatum and Jaylen which is putting way too much pressure on Smart to contribute scoring wise. That is not healthy for him.

This is an unhealthy basketball team. Too many offensively limited big men. No depth on the wing. Useful PGs who are still trying prove how much offensively responsibility they can shoulder.

There is far too much pressure on Jaylen and Tatum and while these guys are good scorers, they are not good at creating opportunities for other players so these limited scorers are not getting much of a boost (open shots being created for them) from the offensive creation of Jaylen & Tatum.


We have to get more offense on the floor to support Jaylen & Tatum. That to me means dropping one of the two starting bigs and replacing him with a PG who can share offensive burden that Smart is currently carrying (to his detriment). That means moving Nesmith into the rotation to get an offensively useful wing on the bench. Someone that teams have to at least defend and worry about a little.

It is not just the two limited offensive bigs starting, it is also the bench lineups with two limited offensive bigs (G.Williams at PF next to a C like R.Williams). These lineups have to disappear. Semi should play at PF in those lineups. At least Semi can hit some 3s and give some spacing.

[footey]

Good post.

TP.

[Goldstar88]

I’d like to see Teague(shooting 63.6% from 3pt) and Pritchard( shooting 41.7% from 3) taking more shots. At least 6-8 per game. Smart should be capped at 6-8 shots per game as well. Bottom line is our bigs will only score points by getting dunks and layups, even Semi is only shooting 28.6% from 3. I’d rather limit his shot attempts as well. This team really needs to use the TPE on better 4/5. One that can space the floor. Current bigs are mediocre at best.

[Somebody]

Yeah I'm pretty baffled as to why Stevens isn't playing with a rotation like this while staggering the minutes of Jaylen and Tatum:

PG: Teague/FastPP
SG: Smart/Javonte or Nesmith
SF: Jaylen/Semi
PF: Tatum/Grant
C: TT/Theis

The defence will still be strong with Teague and FastPP being the only weak defenders in that rotation, but the offence will be considerably better with a 3rd or 4th guy who can handle the ball and create a bit.

[Csfan1984]

I'm thinking maybe you just matchup with teams and give up on any set starter group because they aren't good enough. Same with the substitutions. Keep it simple and matchup.

[gouki88]

Yeah I'm pretty baffled as to why Stevens isn't playing with a rotation like this while staggering the minutes of Jaylen and Tatum:

PG: Teague/FastPP
SG: Smart/Javonte or Nesmith
SF: Jaylen/Semi
PF: Tatum/Grant
C: TT/Theis

The defence will still be strong with Teague and FastPP being the only weak defenders in that rotation, but the offence will be considerably better with a 3rd or 4th guy who can handle the ball and create a bit.

He's incredibly stubborn with his rotations sometimes

[Chief]

Yeah I'm pretty baffled as to why Stevens isn't playing with a rotation like this while staggering the minutes of Jaylen and Tatum:

PG: Teague/FastPP
SG: Smart/Javonte or Nesmith
SF: Jaylen/Semi
PF: Tatum/Grant
C: TT/Theis

The defence will still be strong with Teague and FastPP being the only weak defenders in that rotation, but the offence will be considerably better with a 3rd or 4th guy who can handle the ball and create a bit.

He's incredibly stubborn with his rotations sometimes

At the end of the game, he had

Smart
Brown
Tatum
Grant Williams
Thompson

Detroit had two good defenders on Tatum and Brown and everyone else playing help.

I was screaming at the tv for him to put some shooters in. Consistently relying on Williams or Marcus to hit late game shots doesn't seem very wise.

[GreenWarrior]

Yeah I'm pretty baffled as to why Stevens isn't playing with a rotation like this while staggering the minutes of Jaylen and Tatum:

PG: Teague/FastPP
SG: Smart/Javonte or Nesmith
SF: Jaylen/Semi
PF: Tatum/Grant
C: TT/Theis

The defence will still be strong with Teague and FastPP being the only weak defenders in that rotation, but the offence will be considerably better with a 3rd or 4th guy who can handle the ball and create a bit.

He's incredibly stubborn with his rotations sometimes

At the end of the game, he had

Smart
Brown
Tatum
Grant Williams
Thompson

Detroit had two good defenders on Tatum and Brown and everyone else playing help.

I was screaming at the tv for him to put some shooters in. Consistently relying on Williams or Marcus to hit late game shots doesn't seem very wise.

This team doesn't have shooters, it has a bunch of guys that can hit 3's.

Either way we lost this game before it started. We need a pro coach that knows how to field a starting unit, and get the message across that settling for jumpers is not winning basketball.

I'm so thoroughly sick of amateur ball. Danny has built this team to cater to the coaches philosophy and the coach can't figure it out. A good coach would get the message across that taking it to the basket is the way you win.


This team as it stands needs to make 35 3's a game just to give itself a shot at winning a game. That's effing ridiculous.

[tstorey_97]

The Celtics scored 12 points in the first quarter with 6 turnovers.

Whose fault is that?

Ainge and Stevens aren't shooting those balls or passing them to the other team.

It was such a disaster that Edwards ended up on the court.

The Celtics, essentially spotted the Pistons a 17 point lead in the first quarter and the Celtics, essentially, missed beating the Pistons by a basket.

Season totals for guys not named Tatum/Brown:

Smart 21 of 58 (avg)
Thompson 18 of 36 (avg)
Theis 16 of 33 (avg)
Grant 11 of 25 from the field (avg)
Robert 15 of 19 (Monstah)
Teague 15 of 44 (below avg)
Pritchard 17 of 31 (Monstah 2.0)
Semi 6 of 15 (below avg)

Their all about average...

In the NBA the leading "duo's" are below:

Harden/wood 62/ppg
Durant/Irving 54.4/ppg
Tatum/Brown  51.8/ppg

There are two sides to every coin. We have a top three scoring duo and it will impact the other 7 or 8 guys who get minutes.

On the court it is Teague/Smart/Pritchard's job to get the ball to two of the top scorers in the NBA and this is what they do.

The Celtics are 17th in PPG in the NBA...their offense is just barely "average".

I don't think it is necessary to find excuses for losing to a horrible Piston's team. Is Clemson that bad? They just spent too much time planning on a title game with Alabama didn't they? Ohio State had lost to Clemson four straight times...law of averages bites you.



A trap is a trap.

[GreenWarrior]

The Celtics scored 12 points in the first quarter with 6 turnovers.

Whose fault is that?

Ainge and Stevens aren't shooting those balls or passing them to the other team.

It was such a disaster that Edwards ended up on the court.

The Celtics, essentially spotted the Pistons a 17 point lead in the first quarter and the Celtics, essentially, missed beating the Pistons by a basket.

Season totals for guys not named Tatum/Brown:

Smart 21 of 58 (avg)
Thompson 18 of 36 (avg)
Theis 16 of 33 (avg)
Grant 11 of 25 from the field (avg)
Robert 15 of 19 (Monstah)
Teague 15 of 44 (below avg)
Pritchard 17 of 31 (Monstah 2.0)
Semi 6 of 15 (below avg)

Their all about average...

In the NBA the leading "duo's" are below:

Harden/wood 62/ppg
Durant/Irving 54.4/ppg
Tatum/Brown  51.8/ppg

There are two sides to every coin. We have a top three scoring duo and it will impact the other 7 or 8 guys who get minutes.

On the court it is Teague/Smart/Pritchard's job to get the ball to two of the top scorers in the NBA and this is what they do.

The Celtics are 17th in PPG in the NBA...their offense is just barely "average".

I don't think it is necessary to find excuses for losing to a horrible Piston's team. Is Clemson that bad? They just spent too much time planning on a title game with Alabama didn't they? Ohio State had lost to Clemson four straight times...law of averages bites you.



A trap is a trap.

The design of this team this season is a 7 seed at it's best. That's if we don't get the injury bug, that's if we're at least 500. against the elite teams and that's if we win the games against all below 500 teams.

This team can't afford to lose games to teams like Detroit esp. if we're going to play the we played. And the way we played against Detroit is the way this team loses under stevens - Chuck jump shots.

I hope ainge isn't feeling the way fans like you are - meh it was a trap game(shrug shoulders). No there is a pattern here.

[keevsnick]

Yeah I'm pretty baffled as to why Stevens isn't playing with a rotation like this while staggering the minutes of Jaylen and Tatum:

PG: Teague/FastPP
SG: Smart/Javonte or Nesmith
SF: Jaylen/Semi
PF: Tatum/Grant
C: TT/Theis

The defence will still be strong with Teague and FastPP being the only weak defenders in that rotation, but the offence will be considerably better with a 3rd or 4th guy who can handle the ball and create a bit.

He's incredibly stubborn with his rotations sometimes

At the end of the game, he had

Smart
Brown
Tatum
Grant Williams
Thompson

Detroit had two good defenders on Tatum and Brown and everyone else playing help.

I was screaming at the tv for him to put some shooters in. Consistently relying on Williams or Marcus to hit late game shots doesn't seem very wise.

This is basically the central issue with the team right now. The c's have 4 guys who are best at the Center position, surrounded by 4 wings/guars. But right now basically two of RWill, GWill, Theis, Thompson are out there almost all game which is 2 non shooters at all times.

[Somebody]

The Celtics scored 12 points in the first quarter with 6 turnovers.

Whose fault is that?

Ainge and Stevens aren't shooting those balls or passing them to the other team.

It was such a disaster that Edwards ended up on the court.

The Celtics, essentially spotted the Pistons a 17 point lead in the first quarter and the Celtics, essentially, missed beating the Pistons by a basket.

Season totals for guys not named Tatum/Brown:

Smart 21 of 58 (avg)
Thompson 18 of 36 (avg)
Theis 16 of 33 (avg)
Grant 11 of 25 from the field (avg)
Robert 15 of 19 (Monstah)
Teague 15 of 44 (below avg)
Pritchard 17 of 31 (Monstah 2.0)
Semi 6 of 15 (below avg)

Their all about average...

In the NBA the leading "duo's" are below:

Harden/wood 62/ppg
Durant/Irving 54.4/ppg
Tatum/Brown  51.8/ppg

There are two sides to every coin. We have a top three scoring duo and it will impact the other 7 or 8 guys who get minutes.

On the court it is Teague/Smart/Pritchard's job to get the ball to two of the top scorers in the NBA and this is what they do.

The Celtics are 17th in PPG in the NBA...their offense is just barely "average".

I don't think it is necessary to find excuses for losing to a horrible Piston's team. Is Clemson that bad? They just spent too much time planning on a title game with Alabama didn't they? Ohio State had lost to Clemson four straight times...law of averages bites you.



A trap is a trap.

The design of this team this season is a 7 seed at it's best. That's if we don't get the injury bug, that's if we're at least 500. against the elite teams and that's if we win the games against all below 500 teams.

This team can't afford to lose games to teams like Detroit esp. if we're going to play the we played. And the way we played against Detroit is the way this team loses under stevens - Chuck jump shots.

I hope ainge isn't feeling the way fans like you are - meh it was a trap game(shrug shoulders). No there is a pattern here.

I feel that we're closer to a typical 50-55 win team with a 3-5 SRS rating - we have two wings who're top 15-25 players, a guard who's a top 40 mainstay with elite guard defence, passable volume shooting and underrated passing as well as a collection of good role players in Theis/TT/Teague. Throw in guys like FastPP/Robert/Grant/Semi who can chip in at times and we have a pretty good top 6 with some decent guys to round out a 8-9 man rotation. Definitely think that we can be competitive as is with better lineups and continued improvement in crunch time management (more of what we did against Detroit last night, those open looks will eventually fall at a better clip than contested stepbacks and fadeaways), and that's without Kemba/whoever we bring in with the TPE.

[Big333223]

Tatum and Brown had 2 assists each last night. They're both at about 3 for the season. With Kemba out, they've got pressure on them to be scorers but with the ball in their hands more than ever, they should also be looking to move the ball and get everyone involved.

Last night wasn't just their fault but they have to be better at finding other guys when the defense is tough.

[Tr1boy]

Tatum and Brown had 2 assists each last night. They're both at about 3 for the season. With Kemba out, they've got pressure on them to be scorers but with the ball in their hands more than ever, they should also be looking to move the ball and get everyone involved.

Last night wasn't just their fault but they have to be better at finding other guys when the defense is tough.

Last night cant really blame them

Nobody else could score. Grant Williams missed a wide open 3. So did Pritchard

One of those probably seals the game