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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: Boise To Boston on April 18, 2018, 12:23:06 PM
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Trader Danny is looking smarter all the time for refusing to trade Rozier, who looks more and more like a he could be a fringe-all-star type offensive point guard who is well above average on defense.
His play since the beginning of March has taken my mind to a weird place - a place where Kyrie is expendable. Is he? What if we could package him with some other assets (NOT Jaylen or Jason) to get Anthony Davis? Just imagine this lineup:
Anthony Davis
Al Horford
Jason Tatum/Gordon Hayward
Jaylen Brown
Terry Rozier
You would have 5 guys who can switch everything, shoot the three, create their own shot, pass the ball, and are ALL at least plus-defenders.
Or imagine
Horford
Tatum
Kahwi/Hayward
Brown
Rozier
The prospects of what our DEFENSE would look like is tantalizing to me. If you could move him to help get a two-way star like AD or Kahwi, would you do it? Are you comfortable with Rozier being the PG on a finals team?
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Isn't it a bit soon to declare an established all NBA player expandable because Smart's backup played very good against the bucks ?
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Um, no. Kyrie is a legit star while Rozier, this series aside, is a borderline NBA starter. Grand Canyon sized gap between the two.
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Rozier's Stats in March:
33.4 Minutes
.418 3p%
.778 FT%
5.2 Rebounds
4.2 Assists
1.2 Steals
17.2 Points
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I guess here's the question I'm asking:
Kyrie or Rozier + another star wing/big?
Um, no. Kyrie is a legit star while Rozier, this series aside, is a borderline NBA starter. Grand Canyon sized gap between the two.
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I think Rozier is earning himself a nice little contract for a team that desperately needs a starting PG with his recent play.
That being said we keep Kyrie.
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Even if you could move Kyrie for someone like AD or KL?
I think Rozier is earning himself a nice little contract for a team that desperately needs a starting PG with his recent play.
That being said we keep Kyrie.
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Trader Danny is looking smarter all the time for refusing to trade Rozier, who looks more and more like a he could be a fringe-all-star type offensive point guard who is well above average on defense.
His play since the beginning of March has taken my mind to a weird place - a place where Kyrie is expendable. Is he? What if we could package him with some other assets (NOT Jaylen or Jason) to get Anthony Davis? Just imagine this lineup:
Anthony Davis
Al Horford
Jason Tatum/Gordon Hayward
Jaylen Brown
Terry Rozier
You would have 5 guys who can switch everything, shoot the three, create their own shot, pass the ball, and are ALL at least plus-defenders.
Or imagine
Horford
Tatum
Kahwi/Hayward
Brown
Rozier
The prospects of what our DEFENSE would look like is tantalizing to me. If you could move him to help get a two-way star like AD or Kahwi, would you do it? Are you comfortable with Rozier being the PG on a finals team?
I knew someone would prop up this question
IF Rozier leads/significant factor to help this team win a championship
the answer is yes
But there is 1 percent chance of this happening
Even if the Celts make it to the finals and lose.... Kyrie will always be considered the #1 option as he has lead/won a championship in the past
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Trader Danny is looking smarter all the time for refusing to trade Rozier, who looks more and more like a he could be a fringe-all-star type offensive point guard who is well above average on defense.
His play since the beginning of March has taken my mind to a weird place - a place where Kyrie is expendable. Is he? What if we could package him with some other assets (NOT Jaylen or Jason) to get Anthony Davis? Just imagine this lineup:
Anthony Davis
Al Horford
Jason Tatum/Gordon Hayward
Jaylen Brown
Terry Rozier
You would have 5 guys who can switch everything, shoot the three, create their own shot, pass the ball, and are ALL at least plus-defenders.
Or imagine
Horford
Tatum
Kahwi/Hayward
Brown
Rozier
The prospects of what our DEFENSE would look like is tantalizing to me. If you could move him to help get a two-way star like AD or Kahwi, would you do it? Are you comfortable with Rozier being the PG on a finals team?
What? Ha! Wow.
Rozier's play is gonna earn him some coin on a bad team with a lot of cap space. Hence Danny will trade him whilst he can get something back for him of value, especially if he can keep Smart at a fraction of the cost.
Kyrie is an all world NBA talent who has yet to enter his prime, and possesses an elite skill at which he might be the best player on the planet at (ball handling).
The only way Rozier stays on this team is if he's willing to take a hometown discount. Young guys don't do that. There will come a time where a veteran takes a hometown discount to play under Brad (Morris, maybe. Monroe??, Horford??), but young guys, off rookie contracts, go and get theres.
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Yeah.
Rosier makes Rozier expendable.
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Trader Danny is looking smarter all the time for refusing to trade Rozier, who looks more and more like a he could be a fringe-all-star type offensive point guard who is well above average on defense.
His play since the beginning of March has taken my mind to a weird place - a place where Kyrie is expendable. Is he? What if we could package him with some other assets (NOT Jaylen or Jason) to get Anthony Davis? Just imagine this lineup:
Anthony Davis
Al Horford
Jason Tatum/Gordon Hayward
Jaylen Brown
Terry Rozier
You would have 5 guys who can switch everything, shoot the three, create their own shot, pass the ball, and are ALL at least plus-defenders.
Or imagine
Horford
Tatum
Kahwi/Hayward
Brown
Rozier
The prospects of what our DEFENSE would look like is tantalizing to me. If you could move him to help get a two-way star like AD or Kahwi, would you do it? Are you comfortable with Rozier being the PG on a finals team?
What? Ha! Wow.
Rozier's play is gonna earn him some coin on a bad team with a lot of cap space. Hence Danny will trade him whilst he can get something back for him of value, especially if he can keep Smart at a fraction of the cost.
Kyrie is an all world NBA talent who has yet to enter his prime, and possesses an elite skill at which he might be the best player on the planet at (ball handling).
The only way Rozier stays on this team is if he's willing to take a hometown discount. Young guys don't do that. There will come a time where a veteran takes a hometown discount to play under Brad (Morris, maybe. Monroe??, Horford??), but young guys, off rookie contracts, go and get theres.
The thing though is... I don't think Kyrie could have done any better in game 1 and 2. Especially on the defensive end where Terry has the edge anyways
But this remarkable play has only started and not sure if it can continue. Especially against much better teams than Bucks
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Don't tempt me with A Davis deal
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Good call I actually mistakenly thought he was a RFA this summer. The fact that we have another year of him under his rookie deal makes him a really valuable asset. Kyrie's health worries me A LOT, but I think this is the move to make.
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Rozier's play is gonna earn him some coin on a bad team with a lot of cap space. Hence Danny will trade him whilst he can get something back for him of value, especially if he can keep Smart at a fraction of the cost.
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Don't tempt me with A Davis deal
Davis and Pelicans are playing well right now. He is not going anywhere unless they lose 4 straight to the blazers or get cleaned up next round
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Really??? No Rozier makes Rozier expendable by being a top of the line asset that will be used to continue the youth movement. I wish Terry was ok being an elite 6th man but he wants to start and will be given the chance to do so. No way DA does not capitalize on his high value moving him to obtain that elusive big they need. I love Scary Terry but no way he resigns nor can the C's afford him.
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Don't tempt me with A Davis deal
Davis and Pelicans are playing well right now. He is not going anywhere unless they lose 4 straight to the blazers or get cleaned up next round
These are my thoughts as well. The whole “Davis will inevitably be traded” narrative seems to be a thing of the past if NO continues to do so well.
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Who?
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Who?
Well done, sir! ;D ;D ;D
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Other way round.
Rozier's gonna bring us some nice value in a trade this summer or next February.
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Who?
One word to make multiple jokes, TP.
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Other way round.
Rozier's gonna bring us some nice value in a trade this summer or next February.
I'm on the side of Nickagneta that Rozier is such an important player in a race for the Championship next year that you'd rather keep him than trade him for assets (like picks, young players). Unless of course you could trade him (with other pieces) for an All Star.
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Like always, it depends what the return is.
Would we be better with a starting lineup including Davis in place of Kyrie? Probably. Kawhi in place of Kyrie? Probably.
There’s 0% chance the Pels do that trade, though. The Spurs might.
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Like always, it depends what the return is.
Would we be better with a starting lineup including Davis in place of Kyrie? Probably. Kawhi in place of Kyrie? Probably.
There’s 0% chance the Pels do that trade, though. The Spurs might.
Spurs would take Rozier and Brown in a blink of an eye
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Other way round.
Rozier's gonna bring us some nice value in a trade this summer or next February.
only value worthwhile to the Celts is a lotto pick
Unless a team with a recent top 10 draft pick wants Rozier badly
no point of Celts trading for a 10-15 million dollar a year salary player
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Again its either Rozier helps this team win a championship or Kyrie health is in limbo...that makes Kyrie expendable or unable to play
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But I am not offering Terry and Jaylen, I am offering Kyrie straight up for Kawhi.
Who would you rather? Irving or Leonard?
This is just a theoretical question/discussion (we have time to kill before next game)
Both are on identical contracts: 20 mill next year, player option for 21 mill the following year.
Irving is 9 months younger, both came into league the same year.
Irving has had 3 surgeries on same knee, Kawhi has bad tendons in his quad and maybe an attitude issue.
KI career: 2 pt .493 3 pt .386 FT .875
KL career: 2 pt .537 3 pt .386 FT .846
Who completes the rest of the squad?
An offensive gunslinger or a two way player (while trusting point guard to Smart and Terry)?
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We take this team as far as possible this year (still say we can make the NBA finals with some luck), and get healthy/leave roster alone for next season, with possibility of adding a 7' pogo stick defender who can block shots and finish plays with vicious dunks. Like Theis, only bigger.
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But I am not offering Terry and Jaylen, I am offering Kyrie straight up for Kawhi.
Who would you rather? Irving or Leonard?
This is just a theoretical question/discussion (we have time to kill before next game)
Both are on identical contracts: 20 mill next year, player option for 21 mill the following year.
Irving is 9 months younger, both came into league the same year.
Irving has had 3 surgeries on same knee, Kawhi has bad tendons in his quad and maybe an attitude issue.
KI career: 2 pt .493 3 pt .386 FT .875
KL career: 2 pt .537 3 pt .386 FT .846
Who completes the rest of the squad?
An offensive gunslinger or a two way player (while trusting point guard to Smart and Terry)?
It’s pure fantasy, but I’d do a trade of Kawhi for Kyrie.
Horford
Tatum
Kawhi
Brown
Rozier
6th man: Hayward
Could we sell Hayward on being the next John Havlicek? I think that overall, that’s a better team than we have now. The defense would be 2008 Celts level.
That team
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But I am not offering Terry and Jaylen, I am offering Kyrie straight up for Kawhi.
Who would you rather? Irving or Leonard?
This is just a theoretical question/discussion (we have time to kill before next game)
Both are on identical contracts: 20 mill next year, player option for 21 mill the following year.
Irving is 9 months younger, both came into league the same year.
Irving has had 3 surgeries on same knee, Kawhi has bad tendons in his quad and maybe an attitude issue.
KI career: 2 pt .493 3 pt .386 FT .875
KL career: 2 pt .537 3 pt .386 FT .846
Who completes the rest of the squad?
An offensive gunslinger or a two way player (while trusting point guard to Smart and Terry)?
It’s pure fantasy, but I’d do a trade of Kawhi for Kyrie.
Horford
Tatum
Kawhi
Brown
Rozier
6th man: Hayward
Could we sell Hayward on being the next John Havlicek? I think that overall, that’s a better team than we have now. The defense would be 2008 Celts level.
That team
A 30 million dollar a year 6th man?? ;D
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I believe the question is, does he make Smart expendable?
Right now I could see him being a great 6th man. Irving, Brown and he could be an outstanding 3 guard rotation.
That being said, he's not even close to in the league with Irving. Irving is a top 10 player and maybe the best point guard in the league. Terry is a fine young player, but Let's not get crazy.
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No, Rozier does not make one of the best shot creators in the NBA expendable. And we aren't trading Kyrie. Rozier has been great, hes still not a good finished or really even a good point guard, hes a 3 and d guard. Let not get crazy here.
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I believe the question is, does he make Smart expendable?
Right now I could see him being a great 6th man. Irving, Brown and he could be an outstanding 3 guard rotation.
That being said, he's not even close to in the league with Irving. Irving is a top 10 player and maybe the best point guard in the league. Terry is a fine young player, but Let's not get crazy.
The OP isn’t saying that Rozier equals Kyrie.
He’s asking if Rozier + whoever we trade Kyrie for is better than Kyrie + Rozier.
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I believe the question is, does he make Smart expendable?
Right now I could see him being a great 6th man. Irving, Brown and he could be an outstanding 3 guard rotation.
That being said, he's not even close to in the league with Irving. Irving is a top 10 player and maybe the best point guard in the league. Terry is a fine young player, but Let's not get crazy.
The OP isn’t saying that Rozier equals Kyrie.
He’s asking if Rozier + whoever we trade Kyrie for is better than Kyrie + Rozier.
It all depends on whether the Celtics can get fair market value for Kyrie. If they're getting someone like Kawhi or another available top 10ish player, then yeah you can trade Kyrie. Otherwise, no, they shouldn't.
I don't think Rozier will be with the Celtics for too long. He knows he's good enough to start.
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Irving is a Top 5 Player in this League knee or no knee
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Hmmm can I get back to you on that..........actually you know what I don't need to think bout this......the answer is No.
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Irving is a Top 5 Player in this League knee or no knee
By any objective standard, this isn't true.
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I agree with Roy aside from Hayward being 6th man. I think we’re all forgetting how good he is. He’s top 20. Tatum and brown are not there yet. One of them comes off the bench.
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Irving is a Top 5 Player in this League knee or no knee
No he isn't. Top-15, yes. And I love Irving, but being realistic here.
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I agree with Roy aside from Hayward being 6th man. I think we’re all forgetting how good he is. He’s top 20. Tatum and brown are not there yet. One of them comes off the bench.
Well, it's the old school philosophy that you don't always start your best five players. I did compare him to Hondo, after all. It would be unconventional, but the Celtics did it for large chunks of Havlicek's and McHale's careers, and Manu is the prototype for the modern era. That team would basically be unbeatable.
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I agree with Roy aside from Hayward being 6th man. I think we’re all forgetting how good he is. He’s top 20. Tatum and brown are not there yet. One of them comes off the bench.
Well, it's the old school philosophy that you don't always start your best five players. I did compare him to Hondo, after all. It would be unconventional, but the Celtics did it for large chunks of Havlicek's and McHale's careers, and Manu is the prototype for the modern era. That team would basically be unbeatable.
I like that.
Keep a "secret weapon" and all-star to be one of the first guys off the bench to keep the rhythm and beat going! 8)
And our Starting 5 would still be extremely good anyways.
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Irving is a Top 5 Player in this League knee or no knee
How is that?
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Like always, it depends what the return is.
Would we be better with a starting lineup including Davis in place of Kyrie? Probably. Kawhi in place of Kyrie? Probably.
There’s 0% chance the Pels do that trade, though. The Spurs might.
Spurs would take Rozier and Brown in a blink of an eye
I'd hang up the phone faster than the blink of an eye if the Spurs called with that offer
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And yes Rozier makes Kyrie far more expendable than he was. Plus you have to remember that once he gets healthy we'll also have the mighty Marcus Smart too. That's a pretty good PG combo.
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And yes Rozier makes Kyrie far more expendable than he was. Plus you have to remember that once he gets healthy we'll also have the mighty Marcus Smart too. That's a pretty good PG combo.
Yeah, I would feel totally comfortable moving forward with a Rozier/Smart combo (heck, keep Larkin if you want to for depth). Maybe Bird even makes a partial Rozier-style jump.
And, of course you make either deal if you're Ainge. Kyrie for AD isn't happening, but Kyrie for DPOY superstar Kawhi would be pretty amazing. SAS can have multiple non-SAC picks, too.
I don't know if Rozier will continue this run, but I always thought that if he could just gain a little more body control then he could be dangerous. His ability to rebound, not turn the ball over, hit the 3 and get to the rim, as well as defend with an AB like tenacity make him too good to let go for nothing.
I thought Terry might make Brown expendable (and I LOVE Brown), but I hardly want to give him up. One thing's for sure - everything's coming up Milhouse in the Ainge asset department right now!
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Two different type players. Both bring something to the table. Rozier is becoming a complete player. Make Kyrie tradable? Hmmm...What is the time frame?
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Yes, Kyrie is expendable for the right deal.
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I think for loyalty reasons we shouldn't trade him but I do see this as boosted value for terry and Morris. My thought is to trade for zinger. Trade Morris, Rozier, Baynes + lac/sac pic + mem pick
Knicks
T.Rozier/Frank
Morris/
Beasley
Kanter
Boston
Kyrie/Smart
Hayward/Brown
Tatum/ Yabu
Horford/Theis
Zinger/ Nerlens Noel?
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Id see if we could trade
Horford, Irving for AD and a 1st rounder.
Terry/Smart ????
Brown/Green / Nader
Hayward/Morris / Semi
Tatum/Thesis
Anthony Davis / Monroe
Or they bite on terry, Al Horford and Sacs pick for AD?
Terry, Brown and Tatum are becoming very nice pieces. Danny will have a big offseason. I’d like to keep our team and ad some better PF/C but don’t see how with out giving up something.
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Someone has been playing too much 2K.
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Terry Rozier is still under contract for another year. We should hold on to him for as long as we can, ideally into his next contract. Depending on how we think Irving is valued which includes this health, I would think Rozier is a great insurance policy. He is showing that he has great value. Let's not be quick to move him for something.
If we do decide that keeping Rozier is the better decision, it will be because Irving being injury-prone is too much or Rozier becomes a fringe all-star that is a cheaper option.
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I'd trade Kyrie for a stud big if Rozier keeps this up lol
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Don't tempt me with A Davis deal
Davis and Pelicans are playing well right now. He is not going anywhere unless they lose 4 straight to the blazers or get cleaned up next round
yup.....i just like to day dream
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This concept is very silly. You would not last long as a GM doing crap like the OP suggested because no player would want to deal with you.
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This concept is very silly. You would not last long as a GM doing crap like the OP suggested because no player would want to deal with you.
I’m generally on board with that line of thinking, but what’s worse perception-wise: flipping Kyrie, or trading IT? I think Danny’s philosophy is that players will come here for winning and coaching.
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This concept is very silly. You would not last long as a GM doing crap like the OP suggested because no player would want to deal with you.
I’m generally on board with that line of thinking, but what’s worse perception-wise: flipping Kyrie, or trading IT? I think Danny’s philosophy is that players will come here for winning and coaching.
Flipping Kyrie by far.
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This may deserve it’s own thread but Rozier’s price range to retain might be more than what we want to pay (Smart may be easier to retain), and Morris’s future is cloudy with a year left on his contract. Morris’s minutes could be drastically reduced next year too with Hayward coming back.
I’m all for bringing both back, but if we entertain the idea of selling high on both what can we get? It’s tough because the combined salaries aren’t that high. I’d look at Porzingas again adding in an attractive pick (Kings pick) or 2. I’m not sure he is happy in NY.
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This concept is very silly. You would not last long as a GM doing crap like the OP suggested because no player would want to deal with you.
I’m generally on board with that line of thinking, but what’s worse perception-wise: flipping Kyrie, or trading IT? I think Danny’s philosophy is that players will come here for winning and coaching.
Flipping Kyrie by far.
You're my man Greece but I think they're equally worse, what we can do to make it not as negative is trading Kyrie to a good situation though. However I don't see Ainge ever dealing Kyrie so there's that, not concerned since he's a good PG.
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No, but he makes Smart expendable.
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So..... what kind of sauce would you like with the crow you're about to eat?
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So..... what kind of sauce would you like with the crow you're about to eat?
Dr Terry and Mr Rozier is still the same player. All over the map.
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Lol
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So..... what kind of sauce would you like with the crow you're about to eat?
Dr Terry and Mr Rozier is still the same player. All over the map.
I like that lol.
Kyrie is definitely not even close to expendable. He is far and away our best player
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Does the game tonight answer your rediculous question?
Hell NO.
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So..... what kind of sauce would you like with the crow you're about to eat?
Dr Terry and Mr Rozier is still the same player. All over the map.
I like that lol.
Kyrie is definitely not even close to expendable. He is far and away our best player
Star players give you consistent greatness and role players are up and down.
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Rozier's an irrational confidence guy that, by definition, will be inconsistent. That said, Kyrie's injury history makes it necessary for the Celtics to have a an above average back-up PG imo.
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Rozier's an irrational confidence guy that, by definition, will be inconsistent. That said, Kyrie's injury history makes it necessary for the Celtics to have a an above average back-up PG imo.
#BringBackRondo :D
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I predict this will become an epic thread.
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The OP's original premise isn't that Terry is better than Kyrie, it's that Terry and Kawhi/Davis is better than Kyrie and Baynes (for instance). People who are coming here to gloat are probably missing this part.
Also, I think if we were to deal Kyrie (or if that was the plan), then signing Smart would become a priority. Both when combined with Kahwi/Davis make a pretty formidable line-up.
Last night was a tough time for our whole team. Milwaukee came out very physical and, while the refs called a good number of fouls on them, there were also a lot they let go. Things like the Horford block/goaltend on Giannis or the Bledsoe push on Horford and subsequent offensive foul call are the types of plays that can really swing a game and throw off a team's mentality. Everybody was especially horrible in the first half, not just Rozier.
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I predict this will become an epic thread.
TP ...good call.
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Does the game tonight answer your rediculous question?
Hell NO.
Same answer Lebron might have gave after last night too. .... ;D
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The OP's original premise isn't that Terry is better than Kyrie, it's that Terry and Kawhi/Davis is better than Kyrie and Baynes (for instance). People who are coming here to gloat are probably missing this part.
Also, I think if we were to deal Kyrie (or if that was the plan), then signing Smart would become a priority. Both when combined with Kahwi/Davis make a pretty formidable line-up.
Last night was a tough time for our whole team. Milwaukee came out very physical and, while the refs called a good number of fouls on them, there were also a lot they let go. Things like the Horford block/goaltend on Giannis or the Bledsoe push on Horford and subsequent offensive foul call are the types of plays that can really swing a game and throw off a team's mentality. Everybody was especially horrible in the first half, not just Rozier.
Here is my problem with the original premise. HOW do we end up with Kawhi or Davis?
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The OP's original premise isn't that Terry is better than Kyrie, it's that Terry and Kawhi/Davis is better than Kyrie and Baynes (for instance). People who are coming here to gloat are probably missing this part.
Also, I think if we were to deal Kyrie (or if that was the plan), then signing Smart would become a priority. Both when combined with Kahwi/Davis make a pretty formidable line-up.
Last night was a tough time for our whole team. Milwaukee came out very physical and, while the refs called a good number of fouls on them, there were also a lot they let go. Things like the Horford block/goaltend on Giannis or the Bledsoe push on Horford and subsequent offensive foul call are the types of plays that can really swing a game and throw off a team's mentality. Everybody was especially horrible in the first half, not just Rozier.
Here is my problem with the original premise. HOW do we end up with Kawhi or Davis?
By trading Kyrie and a boatload of picks I assume.
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The OP's original premise isn't that Terry is better than Kyrie, it's that Terry and Kawhi/Davis is better than Kyrie and Baynes (for instance). People who are coming here to gloat are probably missing this part.
Also, I think if we were to deal Kyrie (or if that was the plan), then signing Smart would become a priority. Both when combined with Kahwi/Davis make a pretty formidable line-up.
Last night was a tough time for our whole team. Milwaukee came out very physical and, while the refs called a good number of fouls on them, there were also a lot they let go. Things like the Horford block/goaltend on Giannis or the Bledsoe push on Horford and subsequent offensive foul call are the types of plays that can really swing a game and throw off a team's mentality. Everybody was especially horrible in the first half, not just Rozier.
Here is my problem with the original premise. HOW do we end up with Kawhi or Davis?
Kyrie for Kawhi seems about even. Even though people around here are lukewarm on Kyrie, he has a LOT of popularity and respect around the league. He is currently perfectly content to be with the Cs, while the same can [likely] not be said for Kawhi. Any difference in talent is made up for by the current situation in SAS.
As far as Davis goes, yeah, definitely going to need to add some picks. It appears the worst thing that could have happened regarding our chances of acquiring him was Cousins going down. The Pelicans got demonstrably better and so did Davis in the process.
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His play since the beginning of March has taken my mind to a weird place - a place where Kyrie is expendable. Is he? What if we could package him with some other assets (NOT Jaylen or Jason) to get Anthony Davis? Just imagine this lineup:
Do you think that after last night?
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tradeable of course
expendable no, return has to be another star on the same level or else it's a massive L
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I think Rozier is a good player, and a good upside. But in a world where we dont have Kyrie and we have AD, I think its Smart who fits that team better.
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I think Rozier is a good player, and a good upside. But in a world where we dont have Kyrie and we have AD, I think its Smart who fits that team better.
I would want Rozier. Marcus is a better distributor but AD needs shooters.
But, NOP already is running a 3-guard starting five. Replacing AD with Kyrie doesn’t help.
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I think Rozier is a good player, and a good upside. But in a world where we dont have Kyrie and we have AD, I think its Smart who fits that team better.
I would want Rozier. Marcus is a better distributor but AD needs shooters.
But, NOP already is running a 3-guard starting five. Replacing AD with Kyrie doesn’t help.
Mega-Blockbuster 3-way deal with Kyrie going to SAS, Kawhi going to NOP, and Davis coming here ;D
Why would SAS choose Kyrie over Davis in trading away Kawhi? I have no idea!
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To answer the OP's question, not really... Kyrie IS injury prone and requires a high quality borderline starter to play behind him for the 20 games he'll miss over an average season.
I think Marcus Smart becomes expendable.
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No lol. Stop this madness.
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We're offering a variety of sauces today. A lovely gorgonzola sauce, a marinara, and and Ethiopian Berebere. Though they are all so different, they accompany crow quite well!
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Good job al
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Very lucky to get that one back
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If I had to give up either Tatum, Brown, or Irving for Leonard......
...give up Irving (injury prone) and roll the dice.
Play Tatum at the point (he will have to work on his dribbling) as his high IQ and underrated passing ability and size will make him a mismatch nightmare.
Hayward at the 2, Brown at the 3, and Leonard at the 4, Horford at the 5.
Height wise we'd be somewhat smallish but it's ok in the EAST but length wise we'd be pretty solid all across the board.
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His play since the beginning of March has taken my mind to a weird place - a place where Kyrie is expendable. Is he? What if we could package him with some other assets (NOT Jaylen or Jason) to get Anthony Davis? Just imagine this lineup:
Do you think that after last night?
Of course ;D. Time to rid ourselves of Kyrie #TradeThatBum LOL ;D.
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I would pose the question the other way around: Does Rozier's play make Rozier highly tradeable?
I see no evidence yet the Celtics are a better team with Rozier replacing Irving. Especially considering the small sample size.
The team that started off the season is still the best performing team this year. And that was without Hayward and Morris--for awhile.
With the development of Brown and Tatum, and the return of Irving and Hayward, this will be a 60 win team next year. But the competition, namely the Sixers, will be much better, too. And the Celtics have no answer for Embiid. Their weakness remains the lack of length and rim protection up front.
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I would pose the question the other way around: Does Rozier's play make Rozier highly tradeable?
I see no evidence yet the Celtics are a better team with Rozier replacing Irving. Especially considering the small sample size.
The team that started off the season is still the best performing team this year. And that was without Hayward and Morris--for awhile.
With the development of Brown and Tatum, and the return of Irving and Hayward, this will be a 60 win team next year. But the competition, namely the Sixers, will be much better, too. And the Celtics have no answer for Embiid. Their weakness remains the lack of length and rim protection up front.
To be honest, we've defended Embiid pretty well so far. In 4 games against us he averages 18.8ppg on shooting splits of .406/.133 which is very acceptable
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I see no evidence yet the Celtics are a better team with Rozier replacing Irving. Especially considering the small sample size.
Of course they’re not. The defensive potential is higher, but overall the team isn’t going to be better by losing a star.
But that’s not the question. Rather, would the team better with, say, Kawhi + Rozier or Kyrie + Rozier.
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I see no evidence yet the Celtics are a better team with Rozier replacing Irving. Especially considering the small sample size.
Of course they’re not. The defensive potential is higher, but overall the team isn’t going to be better by losing a star.
But that’s not the question. Rather, would the team better with, say, Kawhi + Rozier or Kyrie + Rozier.
Kawhi is the better player, but I think you need to take into account the rest of the roster and see we have Brown, Tatum, Hayward, and Morris to play Kawhi’s minutes.
Are you confident Rozier can be the starting PG on a contender? We know Irving is a champion (as is Kawhi) and have more faith in our talented wings than a Rozier-Leonard tandem.
So the real question is who would you rather have: Irving-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Horford or some starting lineup with Kawhi and Rozier and one of Hayward/Tatum coming off the bench?
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I see no evidence yet the Celtics are a better team with Rozier replacing Irving. Especially considering the small sample size.
Of course they’re not. The defensive potential is higher, but overall the team isn’t going to be better by losing a star.
But that’s not the question. Rather, would the team better with, say, Kawhi + Rozier or Kyrie + Rozier.
Kawhi is the better player, but I think you need to take into account the rest of the roster and see we have Brown, Tatum, Hayward, and Morris to play Kawhi’s minutes.
Are you confident Rozier can be the starting PG on a contender? We know Irving is a champion (as is Kawhi) and have more faith in our talented wings than a Rozier-Leonard tandem.
So the real question is who would you rather have: Irving-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Horford or some starting lineup with Kawhi and Rozier and one of Hayward/Tatum coming off the bench?
Why are people so convinced on kicking Kyrie out the door? As much as I like Kawhi, his integrity and his will to play through adversity has shown me that he isn't as quiet and peaceful as his demeanor shows. Even if his agent advised him not to say anything, the fact that he has been death-fully silent underneath all this scrutiny should raise some eyebrows.
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I see no evidence yet the Celtics are a better team with Rozier replacing Irving. Especially considering the small sample size.
Of course they’re not. The defensive potential is higher, but overall the team isn’t going to be better by losing a star.
But that’s not the question. Rather, would the team better with, say, Kawhi + Rozier or Kyrie + Rozier.
Kawhi is the better player, but I think you need to take into account the rest of the roster and see we have Brown, Tatum, Hayward, and Morris to play Kawhi’s minutes.
Are you confident Rozier can be the starting PG on a contender? We know Irving is a champion (as is Kawhi) and have more faith in our talented wings than a Rozier-Leonard tandem.
So the real question is who would you rather have: Irving-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Horford or some starting lineup with Kawhi and Rozier and one of Hayward/Tatum coming off the bench?
Why are people so convinced on kicking Kyrie out the door? As much as I like Kawhi, his integrity and his will to play through adversity has shown me that he isn't as quiet and peaceful as his demeanor shows. Even if his agent advised him not to say anything, the fact that he has been death-fully silent underneath all this scrutiny should raise some eyebrows.
Because Kyrie isn’t on the sidelines!
But seriously, I’m not sure. There aren’t many more accomplished NBA players at his age. I think he’s about to enter his prime and we have a stacked roster ready to make the leap.
We don’t need another roster shakeup. This isn’t a 53-win team that Brad maxed out. This is a 55-win team that saw just about everything go wrong.
The only blessing in disguise is Rozier, Tatum, and Brown all got much more playing time and experience than any of us expected. And all passed with flying colors. Next year’s team will be even better because of how unlucky we were this season.
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I see no evidence yet the Celtics are a better team with Rozier replacing Irving. Especially considering the small sample size.
Of course they’re not. The defensive potential is higher, but overall the team isn’t going to be better by losing a star.
But that’s not the question. Rather, would the team better with, say, Kawhi + Rozier or Kyrie + Rozier.
Kawhi is the better player, but I think you need to take into account the rest of the roster and see we have Brown, Tatum, Hayward, and Morris to play Kawhi’s minutes.
Are you confident Rozier can be the starting PG on a contender? We know Irving is a champion (as is Kawhi) and have more faith in our talented wings than a Rozier-Leonard tandem.
So the real question is who would you rather have: Irving-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Horford or some starting lineup with Kawhi and Rozier and one of Hayward/Tatum coming off the bench?
Why are people so convinced on kicking Kyrie out the door? As much as I like Kawhi, his integrity and his will to play through adversity has shown me that he isn't as quiet and peaceful as his demeanor shows. Even if his agent advised him not to say anything, the fact that he has been death-fully silent underneath all this scrutiny should raise some eyebrows.
Because Kyrie isn’t on the sidelines!
But seriously, I’m not sure. There aren’t many more accomplished NBA players at his age. I think he’s about to enter his prime and we have a stacked roster ready to make the leap.
We don’t need another roster shakeup. This isn’t a 53-win team that Brad maxed out. This is a 55-win team that saw just about everything go wrong.
The only blessing in disguise is Rozier, Tatum, and Brown all got much more playing time and experience than any of us expected. And all passed with flying colors. Next year’s team will be even better because of how unlucky we were this season.
Exactly my thoughts... TP.
Kyrie Irving despite his shortcomings, (defense, questionable leadership at times, and dicey game time decisions going into ISO ball,) is still a top 10-20 player. And he's not even past his prime yet...
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Kyrie Irving despite his shortcomings, (defense, questionable leadership at times, and dicey game time decisions going into ISO ball,) is still a top 10-20 player. And he's not even past his prime yet...
He definitely is. It’s still valid to discuss whether trading a top-15ish player for a top-5ish player makes sense.
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Terry is a big... trading chip.
I think we cash him in. Rozier is a really good player, but he's not an All-NBA player like Kyrie.
So nope, still see Kyrie as the #1 guy on the Celtics. But I'm hoping that Jaylen or Jayson can step up into that #2 role.
The only question is how much could we get for Rozier in a trade and are you comfortable with Smart as the backup PG after we cash in Rozier?
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Can I have a hit of what you've been smoking? Tatum as a 6'8 PG? And we would be undersized how with a 6'8 PG? None of this makes sense.
First of all, Tatum isn't a point guard. He's not Simmons or Ball. He's a SF/PF who is starting to develop his passing skills. Tatum's primary role is scorer.
Also if we trade for Leonard it will have to be Tatum or Brown in the package and quite frankly it is risky because of Leonard's 'phantom' injury and refusing to play for San Antonio the whole year.
If I had to give up either Tatum, Brown, or Irving for Leonard......
...give up Irving (injury prone) and roll the dice.
Play Tatum at the point (he will have to work on his dribbling) as his high IQ and underrated passing ability and size will make him a mismatch nightmare.
Hayward at the 2, Brown at the 3, and Leonard at the 4, Horford at the 5.
Height wise we'd be somewhat smallish but it's ok in the EAST but length wise we'd be pretty solid all across the board.
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Can I have a hit of what you've been smoking? Tatum as a 6'8 PG? And we would be undersized how with a 6'8 PG? None of this makes sense.
First of all, Tatum isn't a point guard. He's not Simmons or Ball. He's a SF/PF who is starting to develop his passing skills. Tatum's primary role is scorer.
Also if we trade for Leonard it will have to be Tatum or Brown in the package and quite frankly it is risky because of Leonard's 'phantom' injury and refusing to play for San Antonio the whole year.
If I had to give up either Tatum, Brown, or Irving for Leonard......
...give up Irving (injury prone) and roll the dice.
Play Tatum at the point (he will have to work on his dribbling) as his high IQ and underrated passing ability and size will make him a mismatch nightmare.
Hayward at the 2, Brown at the 3, and Leonard at the 4, Horford at the 5.
Height wise we'd be somewhat smallish but it's ok in the EAST but length wise we'd be pretty solid all across the board.
I agree that Tatum is untenable at PG. We would have to start Rozier or Dmart, and bring Tatum or Hayward off the bench.
I’m not sure that we would have to include Tatum or Brown. Kyrie is a pretty desireable piece in his own right.
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I have been so happy to see Rozier's development through the year. He is so much better with the ball, and is a competent point guard. He has a major clutch gene and can hit timely buckets, he works hard on def, is a great rebounder for his size. His shooting has improved as his minutes have been increased.
I guess the question is how much more will Rozier develop, and does he have the opportunity to develop playing behind Kyrie. I think the answer is no. I also think he might command big (ie more than we want to pay a backup point/combo guard) money in free agency depending on how well he plays next year. So I think unless something bad happens to Kyrie, DA will eventually trade Rozier.
I hope that doesn't happen next year but it might. It would be great to have Terry as a backup for one more year in a title push for 2018-2019.
But does he make Kyrie expendable, no way. It isn't even a sure thing that Terry will develop beyond how well he is playing right now, much less take 2-3 more leaps up to the point where Kyrie is at.
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Can I have a hit of what you've been smoking? Tatum as a 6'8 PG? And we would be undersized how with a 6'8 PG? None of this makes sense.
First of all, Tatum isn't a point guard. He's not Simmons or Ball. He's a SF/PF who is starting to develop his passing skills. Tatum's primary role is scorer.
Also if we trade for Leonard it will have to be Tatum or Brown in the package and quite frankly it is risky because of Leonard's 'phantom' injury and refusing to play for San Antonio the whole year.
If I had to give up either Tatum, Brown, or Irving for Leonard......
...give up Irving (injury prone) and roll the dice.
Play Tatum at the point (he will have to work on his dribbling) as his high IQ and underrated passing ability and size will make him a mismatch nightmare.
Hayward at the 2, Brown at the 3, and Leonard at the 4, Horford at the 5.
Height wise we'd be somewhat smallish but it's ok in the EAST but length wise we'd be pretty solid all across the board.
I agree that Tatum is untenable at PG. We would have to start Rozier or Dmart, and bring Tatum or Hayward off the bench.
I’m not sure that we would have to include Tatum or Brown. Kyrie is a pretty desireable piece in his own right.
Oh man I wish that Tatum had the skills to run the point even as a 2nd unit point forward. But he just doesn't have those skills....yet.
I don't really see how trading Kyrie for KL makes us a better team. We need a point guard, we have (3) very good to elite wing players right now. One (JB) of which is giving us 30 point games in the playoffs and looks to be a star in the making, one (GH) is already an all-star, and the other (JT) is a rookie exceeding everyone's expectations and might end up being the best scorer of the three.
If you trade for KL you need to trade one of JB/JT/GH. Trading any one of those guys is a really bad idea for various reasons. We had a complete roster upheaval last off season. I am all for making small moves this year to tweak the roster and give this core group of guys a chance at a run next year.
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I see no evidence yet the Celtics are a better team with Rozier replacing Irving. Especially considering the small sample size.
Of course they’re not. The defensive potential is higher, but overall the team isn’t going to be better by losing a star.
But that’s not the question. Rather, would the team better with, say, Kawhi + Rozier or Kyrie + Rozier.
Kawhi is the better player, but I think you need to take into account the rest of the roster and see we have Brown, Tatum, Hayward, and Morris to play Kawhi’s minutes.
Are you confident Rozier can be the starting PG on a contender? We know Irving is a champion (as is Kawhi) and have more faith in our talented wings than a Rozier-Leonard tandem.
So the real question is who would you rather have: Irving-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-Horford or some starting lineup with Kawhi and Rozier and one of Hayward/Tatum coming off the bench?
Why are people so convinced on kicking Kyrie out the door? As much as I like Kawhi, his integrity and his will to play through adversity has shown me that he isn't as quiet and peaceful as his demeanor shows. Even if his agent advised him not to say anything, the fact that he has been death-fully silent underneath all this scrutiny should raise some eyebrows.
That makes 0 sense. The fact that he has been silent shows you that he isn't as quiet and peaceful as his demeanor shows. Lol.
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So, let's re-discuss about this ;D
Rozier (and Horford) carried the Celtics to a Game 7 win. Is Kyrie tradeable again or nah?
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So, let's re-discuss about this ;D
Rozier (and Horford) carried the Celtics to a Game 7 win. Is Kyrie tradeable again or nah?
Like always, it depends on the return.
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So, let's re-discuss about this ;D
Rozier (and Horford) carried the Celtics to a Game 7 win. Is Kyrie tradeable again or nah?
Like always, it depends on the return.
I want the return to be someone like Anthony Davis! 8)
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The answer is still no. It's all cool and nice having these guys scoring and all that. But it's one thing to score like this, it's another when teams fully game-plan against you and you still perform. That's what makes stars stars.
Rozier has been amazing though for the most part in the playoffs. He still needs to perform away from Home. He hasn't.
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What $ does a max look like for Terry in two years?
Irving for an All Star on a great contract might be tempting.
Smart, Rozier and Irving are my ball handlers.
Brown, Tatum, Hayward and Morris are my wings
Al (Baynes hitting that three ball) and the mystery big I hope we get this summer.
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The answer is still no. It's all cool and nice having these guys scoring and all that. But it's one thing to score like this, it's another when teams fully game-plan against you and you still perform. That's what makes stars stars.
Rozier has been amazing though for the most part in the playoffs. He still needs to perform away from Home. He hasn't.
If we got Kawhi, teams still wouldn’t be game planning for Rozier, Tatum, etc.
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The answer is still no. It's all cool and nice having these guys scoring and all that. But it's one thing to score like this, it's another when teams fully game-plan against you and you still perform. That's what makes stars stars.
Rozier has been amazing though for the most part in the playoffs. He still needs to perform away from Home. He hasn't.
If we got Kawhi, teams still wouldn’t be game planning for Rozier, Tatum, etc.
Wait I'm confused. What does this mean? ??? (Sorry maybe I'm just not reading into this clearly)
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As long as Rozier only plays in the Garden during playoff games, he's unstoppable! So we just have to figure out what to do the rest of the season.
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I've been making that joke for months. Terry looks good so let's just move Kyrie for Davis.
But the reality is that Kyrie is an injured point guard heading into the final year of his contract. It's a similar situation to Isaiah Thomas last year when he was an injured point guard heading into the final year of his contract.
Moving Thomas (injured PG heading into final year of contract) + Crowder (solid borderline starter on good contract) and the Brooklyn 1st (possibly top 5 at the time) for Kyrie (injury-prone all-star with 2 years left on his deal) would be kind of similar to offering Kyrie (injured PG heading into final year of contract) + Morris (solid borderline starter on good contract) and the Kings 1st (possibly top 5) for Kawhi (injury-prone all-star with 2 years left on his deal).
That's not gonna happen. Anyone who trades for Kyrie is at a risk of losing him. We aren't going to get full value for him, because of his contract situation. There's a small chance he bails on us after next season as well. Hopefully not. He's pretty amazing when healthy.
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I've been making that joke for months. Terry looks good so let's just move Kyrie for Davis.
But the reality is that Kyrie is an injured point guard heading into the final year of his contract. It's a similar situation to Isaiah Thomas last year when he was an injured point guard heading into the final year of his contract.
Moving Thomas (injured PG heading into final year of contract) + Crowder (solid borderline starter on good contract) and the Brooklyn 1st (possibly top 5 at the time) for Kyrie (injury-prone all-star with 2 years left on his deal) would be kind of similar to offering Kyrie (injured PG heading into final year of contract) + Morris (solid borderline starter on good contract) and the Kings 1st (possibly top 5) for Kawhi (injury-prone all-star with 2 years left on his deal).
That's not gonna happen. Anyone who trades for Kyrie is at a risk of losing him. We aren't going to get full value for him, because of his contract situation. There's a small chance he bails on us after next season as well. Hopefully not. He's pretty amazing when healthy.
Agree on all counts, Michelangelo. I don't get the impression that Kyrie is all-in on Boston, but that may just reflect his personality. It's nice that both he and Rozier will expire at the same time though, giving us an opportunity to resign a home-grown, solid option in the event Kyrie elects to bail. That seems doubtful though - highly doubt he finds a better immediate and future situation outside of Boston.
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The answer is still no. It's all cool and nice having these guys scoring and all that. But it's one thing to score like this, it's another when teams fully game-plan against you and you still perform. That's what makes stars stars.
Rozier has been amazing though for the most part in the playoffs. He still needs to perform away from Home. He hasn't.
If we got Kawhi, teams still wouldn’t be game planning for Rozier, Tatum, etc.
Wait I'm confused. What does this mean? ??? (Sorry maybe I'm just not reading into this clearly)
If the argument is that “Rozier, etc. only perform like this because teams don’t game plan to stop them” (like they do Kyrie), then the counterpoint is that teams still couldn’t game plan specifically against Rozier, etc., if Kyrie was traded for an equal or better player.
Kawhi + Rozier > Kyrie + Rozier
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It is unbelievably baffling to me that this is a real conversation.
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I've been making that joke for months. Terry looks good so let's just move Kyrie for Davis.
But the reality is that Kyrie is an injured point guard heading into the final year of his contract. It's a similar situation to Isaiah Thomas last year when he was an injured point guard heading into the final year of his contract.
Moving Thomas (injured PG heading into final year of contract) + Crowder (solid borderline starter on good contract) and the Brooklyn 1st (possibly top 5 at the time) for Kyrie (injury-prone all-star with 2 years left on his deal) would be kind of similar to offering Kyrie (injured PG heading into final year of contract) + Morris (solid borderline starter on good contract) and the Kings 1st (possibly top 5) for Kawhi (injury-prone all-star with 2 years left on his deal).
That's not gonna happen. Anyone who trades for Kyrie is at a risk of losing him. We aren't going to get full value for him, because of his contract situation. There's a small chance he bails on us after next season as well. Hopefully not. He's pretty amazing when healthy.
These aren't the same tho. In the IT situation the injury was expected to effect the following season. KI's isnt supposed to. IT's injury was also a type that people thought could have lasting effects on his health. KI's knee is structurally sound. KI is younger and bigger, which means less risk to begin with. We didn't KI to flip him, we targeted him because hes the type of playoff scorer you need. We aren't trading him for Kawhi.
Its also worth noting that IT had one year left on his deal, and Irving had two. Making up that difference in value mattered. Swapping two guys on one year deals (Kawhi has one non option year left) would mean we'd include less value in a hypothetical trade.
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It is unbelievably baffling to me that this is a real conversation.
Lots of things about this blog baffle me sometimes
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It is unbelievably baffling to me that this is a real conversation.
Lots of things about this blog baffle me sometimes
What’s baffling about discussing whether a top-15ish player for a top-5ish player makes sense?
The question isn’t whether TR is better than Kyrie (obviously he’s not). It’s whether Rozier is a good enough starter to trade Kyrie for a better player.
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I've been making that joke for months. Terry looks good so let's just move Kyrie for Davis.
But the reality is that Kyrie is an injured point guard heading into the final year of his contract. It's a similar situation to Isaiah Thomas last year when he was an injured point guard heading into the final year of his contract.
Moving Thomas (injured PG heading into final year of contract) + Crowder (solid borderline starter on good contract) and the Brooklyn 1st (possibly top 5 at the time) for Kyrie (injury-prone all-star with 2 years left on his deal) would be kind of similar to offering Kyrie (injured PG heading into final year of contract) + Morris (solid borderline starter on good contract) and the Kings 1st (possibly top 5) for Kawhi (injury-prone all-star with 2 years left on his deal).
That's not gonna happen. Anyone who trades for Kyrie is at a risk of losing him. We aren't going to get full value for him, because of his contract situation. There's a small chance he bails on us after next season as well. Hopefully not. He's pretty amazing when healthy.
Where in God's name have you been?
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It is unbelievably baffling to me that this is a real conversation.
Lots of things about this blog baffle me sometimes
What’s baffling about discussing whether a top-15ish player for a top-5ish player makes sense?
The question isn’t whether TR is better than Kyrie (obviously he’s not). It’s whether Rozier is a good enough starter to trade Kyrie for a better player.
He has only started 24 games this season, and his regular season starts were rife with poor shooting. It is way too small a sample size to determine whether he's a good enough starter.
We also have a player in Kyrie who, from all accounts, seems locked into playing for the Celtics for a long time - we have no idea with this from Rozier. A team could definitely offer TRoz big money, which would suck if we moved Kyrie for another max guy.
Rozier needs a much, much bigger and more consistent body of work to make a guy as proven as Kyrie to become expendable
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Kyrie = 3XRozier
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At this point, Rozier should not be discussed in any way as an equivalent or superior talent to Kyrie. I get the slant that we could trade Kyrie based on Rozier's play and get something back for Kyrie but I don't see us trading Kyrie for a number of reasons that have been discussed. It is a fair premise but just too many extenuating issues (contract, injury).
I see Rozier as following along the path that we have seen before of Reggie Jackson, Eric Bledsoe, Darren Collison, and to some degree Isaiah Thomas (and others). Good solid players that emerge into the spotlight and seem like the next big thing but then kind of plateau or even fall back some. I think that is where Rozier is. He may keep ascending where most don't and he certainly has established himself to be in the league as a solid starter but not as a star.
Rozier has done great, he is really establishing himself on a big stage. Not bad for a guy that was being discussed as being traded for JJ Barea (just months ago) and lamented as an example of how bad a drafter Danny is (for years). You go Terry.
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It is unbelievably baffling to me that this is a real conversation.
Lots of things about this blog baffle me sometimes
What’s baffling about discussing whether a top-15ish player for a top-5ish player makes sense?
The question isn’t whether TR is better than Kyrie (obviously he’s not). It’s whether Rozier is a good enough starter to trade Kyrie for a better player.
He has only started 24 games this season, and his regular season starts were rife with poor shooting. It is way too small a sample size to determine whether he's a good enough starter.
We also have a player in Kyrie who, from all accounts, seems locked into playing for the Celtics for a long time - we have no idea with this from Rozier. A team could definitely offer TRoz big money, which would suck if we moved Kyrie for another max guy.
Rozier needs a much, much bigger and more consistent body of work to make a guy as proven as Kyrie to become expendable
I think Terry could play just fine alongside Kawhi, Hayward, Horford, Tatum and Brown. He’s not needed to be a 20 ppg guy.
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It is unbelievably baffling to me that this is a real conversation.
Well one guy is playing lights out while the other is hurt. It makes people nervous Kyrie might not ever be the same and that if we lost Terry we could lose a future all star or at least a very good player
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I think it is just increasing Rozier's trade value. Rookie contract.
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Ya ll wait till 100% Healthy Irving takes the court with the eye of the Tiger , not gonna miss Rozier one minute . Uncle drew will do Unlce Drew stuff to everybody .
I ll take the fleecing DA is about to slap on somebodies butt .
Question is which sucker is gonna bite on DA hookwhen he dangles Rozier.
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I'm wondering when our assets will have the Patriots effect across the league. Meaning GM's just start to think they are a product of Stevens system and really not as good as they appear to be.
Combine that and the reputation Ainge has on getting the better end of a deal makes you wonder how much teams will be willing to trade for guys like Scary Terry.
I mean who has left the C's and has been as productive? Kelly O maybe? Crowder is showing life on Utah, but that's really it.
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Every game the Celts keep winning, the closer this subject is not looking ridiculous
I mean at this rate, does Rozier and his camp take a role less than being a starter?
One thing Rozier has an adv over Kyrie is defense. I don't think anyone can argue this
Two, I think he has a better jump shot. Not saying he is a better jump shooter yet, but has the ability to make off balance shot, rises up higher, quicker release.... also clutch.
May have a chance for less injury as shooting and occasional drives to the basket are staples of his game vs Kyrie adventures to the basket which can increase chance to aggravate injuries
Unless the Celts win it all this year, no chance Kyrie is not brought back next season. But the Celts must keep Rozier and Smart , at least for one more season before making a huge decision as to what to do for 2019-2020 season
Maybe Kyrie is damaged goods or constantly injured (and not extended/traded). Team will definitely need Smart and Rozier to make it up then
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Come on, guys. Rozier's literal best game ever is only a smidge better than par for Kyrie.
Kyrie averaged 24/5/4 while throwing in a steal per game and coming pretty close to the 50/40/90 club. Have we already forgotten how good this guy is? I love what Rozier is doing for us right now, but let's be reasonable.
My hope is that Rozier can channel this hot streak into a legit 6th man of the year argument next year and then go get himself paid. But he's not making Kyrie expendable.
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Come on, guys. Rozier's literal best game ever is only a smidge better than par for Kyrie.
Kyrie averaged 24/5/4 while throwing in a steal per game and coming pretty close to the 50/40/90 club. Have we already forgotten how good this guy is? I love what Rozier is doing for us right now, but let's be reasonable.
My hope is that Rozier can channel this hot streak into a legit 6th man of the year argument next year and then go get himself paid. But he's not making Kyrie expendable.
Thank-you.
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Come on, guys. Rozier's literal best game ever is only a smidge better than par for Kyrie.
Kyrie averaged 24/5/4 while throwing in a steal per game and coming pretty close to the 50/40/90 club. Have we already forgotten how good this guy is? I love what Rozier is doing for us right now, but let's be reasonable.
My hope is that Rozier can channel this hot streak into a legit 6th man of the year argument next year and then go get himself paid. But he's not making Kyrie expendable.
when would you change your mind?
What if the help with Rozier the Celts it to the ECF? or Finals? Or win it all
at what point would you change your mind...curious
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Come on, guys. Rozier's literal best game ever is only a smidge better than par for Kyrie.
Kyrie averaged 24/5/4 while throwing in a steal per game and coming pretty close to the 50/40/90 club. Have we already forgotten how good this guy is? I love what Rozier is doing for us right now, but let's be reasonable.
My hope is that Rozier can channel this hot streak into a legit 6th man of the year argument next year and then go get himself paid. But he's not making Kyrie expendable.
when would you change your mind?
What if the help with Rozier the Celts it to the ECF? or Finals? Or win it all
at what point would you change your mind...curious
For me, at no point. This thread makes little sense. First, people have it backwards. The question is, how much can we get for Rozier now that he is showing flashes? No way we trade Kyrie, especially because Rozier is had some good games.
Second, we'd all be happy to trade a very good asset (e.g., Kyrie) for a great asset (e.g., Kawhi). But how to we get to lucky? How come we get more than we give?
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Come on, guys. Rozier's literal best game ever is only a smidge better than par for Kyrie.
Kyrie averaged 24/5/4 while throwing in a steal per game and coming pretty close to the 50/40/90 club. Have we already forgotten how good this guy is? I love what Rozier is doing for us right now, but let's be reasonable.
My hope is that Rozier can channel this hot streak into a legit 6th man of the year argument next year and then go get himself paid. But he's not making Kyrie expendable.
when would you change your mind?
What if the help with Rozier the Celts it to the ECF? or Finals? Or win it all
at what point would you change your mind...curious
There are too many factors at play.
You can't just pick a point and say if we get that far Irving is expendable.
Rozier isnt someone I want to rely on game in and game out. In 3 road games this playoffs he's shooting 28%(10/36) from the field, 26%(7/27) from 3, and averaging just 11.7points.
He's so far exceeded my expectations and I am blown away by his play, but he's still not consistent and it's tough to put faith in him as your starting point guard.
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Come on, guys. Rozier's literal best game ever is only a smidge better than par for Kyrie.
Kyrie averaged 24/5/4 while throwing in a steal per game and coming pretty close to the 50/40/90 club. Have we already forgotten how good this guy is? I love what Rozier is doing for us right now, but let's be reasonable.
My hope is that Rozier can channel this hot streak into a legit 6th man of the year argument next year and then go get himself paid. But he's not making Kyrie expendable.
when would you change your mind?
What if the help with Rozier the Celts it to the ECF? or Finals? Or win it all
at what point would you change your mind...curious
For me, at no point. This thread makes little sense. First, people have it backwards. The question is, how much can we get for Rozier now that he is showing flashes? No way we trade Kyrie, especially because Rozier is had some good games.
Second, we'd all be happy to trade a very good asset (e.g., Kyrie) for a great asset (e.g., Kawhi). But how to we get to lucky? How come we get more than we give?
you are not answering the question
are you saying if the Celts win the championship with Rozier as one of the key players
the question should still be, how much more we can milk out of somebody (via trade). Still got to keep Kyrie?
I don't think its as simple as this
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Come on, guys. Rozier's literal best game ever is only a smidge better than par for Kyrie.
Kyrie averaged 24/5/4 while throwing in a steal per game and coming pretty close to the 50/40/90 club. Have we already forgotten how good this guy is? I love what Rozier is doing for us right now, but let's be reasonable.
My hope is that Rozier can channel this hot streak into a legit 6th man of the year argument next year and then go get himself paid. But he's not making Kyrie expendable.
when would you change your mind?
What if the help with Rozier the Celts it to the ECF? or Finals? Or win it all
at what point would you change your mind...curious
There are too many factors at play.
You can't just pick a point and say if we get that far Irving is expendable.
Rozier isnt someone I want to rely on game in and game out. In 3 road games this playoffs he's shooting 28%(10/36) from the field, 26%(7/27) from 3, and averaging just 11.7points.
He's so far exceeded my expectations and I am blown away by his play, but he's still not consistent and it's tough to put faith in him as your starting point guard.
It doesn't have to be Rozier = starting PG. Is Rozier looking like starting material
Right now , he is not running the point half the time with Larkin, Smart out on the court
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One other thing to keep in mind. What happens if Kyrie decides he wants to play in New York. When he opts out next year every team has a shot at him. I hope he likes it in Boston and all sign show him returning but what happens if he does not. If the C's trade Rozier and Kyrie walks they have no one to replace him. Maybe Rozier is kept next year as Kyrie insurance and if Kyrie insinuates he wants to test FA and all the teams he's interested in have a shot then it's easy to resign Rozier. Kyrie has not stated yet that he is going to reup with the C's. He's made comments that lead me to believe he will but he hasn't stated like KD has stated that I am not leaving I am definitely signing my contract when I Opt out. This is the one scenario I really didn't think of until now because I've always assumed Kyrie would resign with Boston.
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This Rozier stuff certainly screams "prisoner of the moment".
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Come on, guys. Rozier's literal best game ever is only a smidge better than par for Kyrie.
Kyrie averaged 24/5/4 while throwing in a steal per game and coming pretty close to the 50/40/90 club. Have we already forgotten how good this guy is? I love what Rozier is doing for us right now, but let's be reasonable.
My hope is that Rozier can channel this hot streak into a legit 6th man of the year argument next year and then go get himself paid. But he's not making Kyrie expendable.
when would you change your mind?
What if the help with Rozier the Celts it to the ECF? or Finals? Or win it all
at what point would you change your mind...curious
Rozier isnt someone I want to rely on game in and game out. In 3 road games this playoffs he's shooting 28%(10/36) from the field, 26%(7/27) from 3, and averaging just 11.7points.
I do agree on this minus
unless he can come through on a few road games in the playoffs.... he still has things to prove
at home with the fans cheering him on, he has been dynamite
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Rozier breaking out like this kind of reminds of Reggie Jackson's time in OKC when Westbrook was out injured. Jackson ended up refusing a bench role and demanded to be traded. Wondering if Rozier would accept a role as a 7th man off the bench after all of this.
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Lol, this Tweet is hilarious ;D -
https://twitter.com/netw3rk/status/991196118263328773
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Rozier breaking out like this kind of reminds of Reggie Jackson's time in OKC when Westbrook was out injured. Jackson ended up refusing a bench role and demanded to be traded. Wondering if Rozier would accept a role as a 7th man off the bench after all of this.
he won't and probably shouldn't
nor would we pay him what he can earn to be the 7th man
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Rozier breaking out like this kind of reminds of Reggie Jackson's time in OKC when Westbrook was out injured. Jackson ended up refusing a bench role and demanded to be traded. Wondering if Rozier would accept a role as a 7th man off the bench after all of this.
doubt it...why would he or his do that?
I can only see this happening , if Rozier wants to win championships and feels like he owes Danny one
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Lol, this Tweet is hilarious ;D -
https://twitter.com/netw3rk/status/991196118263328773
Of course, there's that:
https://clutchpoints.com/celtics-news-terry-rozier-has-been-drinking-the-kyrie-irving-flat-earth-kool-aid-for-awhile/
Mike
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Another slow day in the "basement?" To anyone who gives this thread merit!
My Goodness, enjoy the Playoffs, enjoy an up and coming Championship Team. Enough with the B.S stupidity of this player and that player. Enjoy the Team effort..
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Come on, guys. Rozier's literal best game ever is only a smidge better than par for Kyrie.
Kyrie averaged 24/5/4 while throwing in a steal per game and coming pretty close to the 50/40/90 club. Have we already forgotten how good this guy is? I love what Rozier is doing for us right now, but let's be reasonable.
My hope is that Rozier can channel this hot streak into a legit 6th man of the year argument next year and then go get himself paid. But he's not making Kyrie expendable.
when would you change your mind?
What if the help with Rozier the Celts it to the ECF? or Finals? Or win it all
at what point would you change your mind...curious
For me, at no point. This thread makes little sense. First, people have it backwards. The question is, how much can we get for Rozier now that he is showing flashes? No way we trade Kyrie, especially because Rozier is had some good games.
Second, we'd all be happy to trade a very good asset (e.g., Kyrie) for a great asset (e.g., Kawhi). But how to we get to lucky? How come we get more than we give?
you are not answering the question
are you saying if the Celts win the championship with Rozier as one of the key players
the question should still be, how much more we can milk out of somebody (via trade). Still got to keep Kyrie?
I don't think its as simple as this
I did answer the question. At NO point would I change my mind about trading Kyrie. I would NOT do it.
As far as hypotheticals (i.e., the Celts winning it all this year), I can't really entertain it because my basic assumption is that Rozier isn't THAT good.
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Or, on the other hand....is Roziers performance mainly due to Brad stevens being able to somehow turn any point guard into a star in his system and he wont play at this level again/with another team?
and if Kyrie with a bum knee can average 25ppg, what can he do when he is fully healthy in brads system with a healthy Hayward/tatum/brown?
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Come on, guys. Rozier's literal best game ever is only a smidge better than par for Kyrie.
Kyrie averaged 24/5/4 while throwing in a steal per game and coming pretty close to the 50/40/90 club. Have we already forgotten how good this guy is? I love what Rozier is doing for us right now, but let's be reasonable.
My hope is that Rozier can channel this hot streak into a legit 6th man of the year argument next year and then go get himself paid. But he's not making Kyrie expendable.
when would you change your mind?
What if the help with Rozier the Celts it to the ECF? or Finals? Or win it all
at what point would you change your mind...curious
I don't see it as a realistic possibility. Right now, his sample isn't long enough or, frankly, good enough to entertain the thought.
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Come on, guys. Rozier's literal best game ever is only a smidge better than par for Kyrie.
Kyrie averaged 24/5/4 while throwing in a steal per game and coming pretty close to the 50/40/90 club. Have we already forgotten how good this guy is? I love what Rozier is doing for us right now, but let's be reasonable.
My hope is that Rozier can channel this hot streak into a legit 6th man of the year argument next year and then go get himself paid. But he's not making Kyrie expendable.
when would you change your mind?
What if the help with Rozier the Celts it to the ECF? or Finals? Or win it all
at what point would you change your mind...curious
For me, at no point. This thread makes little sense. First, people have it backwards. The question is, how much can we get for Rozier now that he is showing flashes? No way we trade Kyrie, especially because Rozier is had some good games.
Second, we'd all be happy to trade a very good asset (e.g., Kyrie) for a great asset (e.g., Kawhi). But how to we get to lucky? How come we get more than we give?
you are not answering the question
are you saying if the Celts win the championship with Rozier as one of the key players
the question should still be, how much more we can milk out of somebody (via trade). Still got to keep Kyrie?
I don't think its as simple as this
I did answer the question. At NO point would I change my mind about trading Kyrie. I would NOT do it.
As far as hypotheticals (i.e., the Celts winning it all this year), I can't really entertain it because my basic assumption is that Rozier isn't THAT good.
Lol, TP.
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Lol, this Tweet is hilarious ;D -
https://twitter.com/netw3rk/status/991196118263328773
Of course, there's that:
https://clutchpoints.com/celtics-news-terry-rozier-has-been-drinking-the-kyrie-irving-flat-earth-kool-aid-for-awhile/
Mike
Still funny, though ;D.
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Just thought I would bump a recent Terry Rozier thread to proffer that Terry could well be the third best player in the 2015 draft. I'm not sold on Devin Booker.
Just my thought. And by the way, Danny Ainge take YET ANOTHER bow. I still remember having done ZERO scouting on him, and I usually take a good look at the top 30 guys.
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I'd love to go back and see all those people screaming at Danny for not trading Rozier for Ibaka.
There was a loud, vocal group convinced that Danny had screwed up that.
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No. His recent play let's us trade him to fill a need down low or collect more high draft picks. Sell on a high. It benefits us and him as he gets to go be the starter somewhere else. As impressive as the playoffs have been for him he's not in the same league as Kyrie. (of course I want to be sure about Kyrie's health) Then sign Smart to come off the bench and your guard rotation is set. In a perfect world I'd love to keep them all though.
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http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/measurement-and-athleticism-analysis-2015
I posted this on a different forum a few years ago. The combination of Rozier's wingspan, quickness, and vertical predicted he would be successful as a point guard or off guard.
This was before the draft and I didn't necessarily want the Cs to take him, but when they did, I got excited about his long-term potential.
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I'd love to go back and see all those people screaming at Danny for not trading Rozier for Ibaka.
There was a loud, vocal group convinced that Danny had screwed up that.
Ibaka becoming useless in the post season the last two years has made me very very glad we didn't make that move.
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I'd love to go back and see all those people screaming at Danny for not trading Rozier for Ibaka.
There was a loud, vocal group convinced that Danny had screwed up that.
Ibaka becoming useless in the post season the last two years has made me very very glad we didn't make that move.
Even last year, it was pretty apparent that the suggested move was going to be extremely short-sighted & expensive and not going to be the move to get BOS over the top against CLE.
People wanted instant gratification and , luckily, Danny didn't let them have it.
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I still say, Brad Stevens is the guy that makes Rozier a legit starter as a PG, just as he made IT4 to become an All Star. On the other hand, Kyrie is a star for himself, without Stevens. Stevens just makes him even better.
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I have been surprised, somewhat, that people have forgotten how good Hayward is. But I guess not too surprised, given that we barely saw him in a Celtics uniform, and he hasn't played in months.
Kyrie is a different story. We are talking about the MVP of the basketball world cup in 2014 at age 22, on a team that also had Steph Curry, James Harden, and Anthony Davis; one of the most deadly scorers and ballhandlers in the league; an absolute assassin in the playoffs and a guy who hit one of the biggest shots in NBA finals history.
There is no way they are trading Kyrie in favor of keeping Rozier. We are talking about two different tiers of players here, even if you assume Rozier has the chance to be an all star. They are trading Rozier if they get anything approximating a late lottery pick, in my opinion. And I think they have a chance to get it.
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Starting to become a tough question
If Kyrie = Rozier, Smart, Morris salary
Celts would lose a ton of toughness/defense without these three
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There is no way they are trading Kyrie in favor of keeping Rozier. We are talking about two different tiers of players here, even if you assume Rozier has the chance to be an all star. They are trading Rozier if they get anything approximating a late lottery pick, in my opinion. And I think they have a chance to get it.
What if the question is would you trade Kyrie (and salary/have capspace) in order to keep Rozier, Morris, Smart, Baynes etc.
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There is no way they are trading Kyrie in favor of keeping Rozier. We are talking about two different tiers of players here, even if you assume Rozier has the chance to be an all star. They are trading Rozier if they get anything approximating a late lottery pick, in my opinion. And I think they have a chance to get it.
What if the question is would you trade Kyrie (and salary/have capspace) in order to keep Rozier, Morris, Smart, Baynes etc.
Trading Irving will not give us cap space. That ship has sailed. The only thing it could possibly save is luxury tax, but Wyc has already said that he's willing to pay the tax for a contender.
Irving is a better player than Rozier, and top end talent is how you win championships
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Keeping our bench players is dependent on luxury tax appetite, trading an all-star player to cut salary to retain backups is a bad plan.
I know you have an aversion to all-star talent as being overpaid, but you have to pay for production once rookie deals are over.
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Wow, why this was originally a conversation was baffling. Why its still a conversation, ludicrous.
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Keeping our bench players is dependent on luxury tax appetite, trading an all-star player to cut salary to retain backups is a bad plan.
+1
not paying , the best handle closer in the NBA is a BAD move .
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For the right deal, yes Kyrie is tradeable. Without Kyrie and with Hayward back, we have a team that is contending right now and is a great core for the future. We'd have our point guard and three starting wings of the future. The only future piece we'll be missing is the successor to Al at center. There are a few young big men out there I'd trade Kyrie for in AD, Embiid, Towns, Porzingis, maybe Jokic or Gobert, but I'd also think about trading Kyrie for #1 overall pick (Ayton) + another future draft pick. It'd be a risky move, but might be our only avenue to get our eventual long-term Horford replacement since we'll be over the cap and drafting in the high 20s for the foreseeable future.
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Keeping our bench players is dependent on luxury tax appetite, trading an all-star player to cut salary to retain backups is a bad plan.
I know you have an aversion to all-star talent as being overpaid, but you have to pay for production once rookie deals are over.
Should Rozier still be considered a bench player?
Who said only to retain backups? You could get a ton back for Kyrie. For example number 1s and prospects who are cheaper in the long run
My point is...lets not do anything drastic. Unless something drastic happens like this team wins it all with this unit
At this scenerio the reality is you cant keep everyonr and wyc is not going to pay horford 30 million, hayward 30, kyrie 30, brown 20 plus, tatum 20 plus...and still able to keep smart, rozier, morris etc
He may pay for the luxury tax but not at repeated highest tax bracket imo
I think its easier said than done that smart, rozier, morris can be replaced easily...minutes can be divided up fairly. Someone is bound to be underutilized/disappointed
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I think a healthy AND humble Kyrie would be untradeable.
But he wanted out of CLE because he wanted to be the man.
Going forward Tatum and Brown will need the ball and minutes to continue to grow....Kyrie is a ball dominant PG and will stunt the growth of our young guys.
Rozier can do some of the things (at least at home) offensively that Kyrie does AND Rozier is a much better defender and takes care of the ball !
With Hayward and coach Stevens history/relationship I don’t see Hayward ever being in trade talks let alone actual trades because that would mean Stevens would sign off on that which I don’t think he will !
At this point Kyrie is our most tradeable asset....like it or not.
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I like Kyrie but business is business. Probably gone anyway when contact is up.
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DELETE THIS! >:(
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DELETE THIS! >:(
Yeah, lol ;D. Rozier had one hell of a run, though. Sigh :-\.
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And REALITY CHECK!!
Kyrie Irving is a top 5 PG in the NBA.
I'm not going to overreact to 1 bad game by Rozier in the playoffs. And fact is we would have NEVER made it this far without him. But the Celtics will be hard pressed to keep him due to salary.
I'm thinking DA will offload Terry in the offseason. If we can get a pick in the 5-10 range, Danny probably makes that trade so that we can resign Smart and add another cheap rookie contract player with high upside to the roster.
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In my opinion Rozier made a play tonight that ended the season. I think there was about 2 minutes left and he turned down a lay-up, turned out to the corner and pulled the dumbest 3. Despite the fact he was shooting 0-9 from 3 at that point. It was a 3 point game at that point if i can recall correctly and the cavs went back the other way and got a lay up. It may have even been an and-1. I can't recall because I was losing my mind at how poor of a basketball decision that was. That was the last we saw of rozier for the season as brad pulled him on the ensuing time out. I'm not blaming the loss on him, that's a team thing. I just think that specific sequence sealed the fate of the game.
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Say what you will about Rozier, but he would be stinging like HELL right now, missing so many shots..
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In my opinion Rozier made a play tonight that ended the season. I think there was about 2 minutes left and he turned down a lay-up, turned out to the corner and pulled the dumbest 3. Despite the fact he was shooting 0-9 from 3 at that point. It was a 3 point game at that point if i can recall correctly and the cavs went back the other way and got a lay up. It may have even been an and-1. I can't recall because I was losing my mind at how poor of a basketball decision that was. That was the last we saw of rozier for the season as brad pulled him on the ensuing time out. I'm not blaming the loss on him, that's a team thing. I just think that specific sequence sealed the fate of the game.
TP. I remember pulling my hair out at that, screaming, and then leaving the room after some other bad decision.
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Say what you will about Rozier, but he would be stinging like HELL right now, missing so many shots..
As he should be
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Don't want to see Rozier anywhere in Boston. He needs to go ASAP
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nope, but Rozier will allow us not to overpay Smart and will be a good backup to Irving next year in case smart doesn't sign his QO or sign something reasonable, he if does they should be able to flip Rozier for an asset.
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well, this thread aged badly. Terry Rozier is what i've said he is the whole time. A high quality role-player or a mediocre starter.
Kyrie Irving is a top 5 player in the nba. You think we couldve used his shot making in crunch time?
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Nope.
Love Terry don't get me wrong, but if we had Kyrie alone this series we would've won.
And I'm not even talking about GH.
We lost to the best player in the NBA, and he has been the last several years.
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Yikes. I’ve been Terry-curious. Not anymore.
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I have 10 reasons why he doesn’t
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while not Kyrie, Rozier is pretty good, he needs to be judged on his body of work, look at the progression pretty steady. If I were an opposing team I'll be trying to land him with a non 10 pick.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/roziete01.html
but no way he makes kyrie expendable.
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In my opinion Rozier made a play tonight that ended the season. I think there was about 2 minutes left and he turned down a lay-up, turned out to the corner and pulled the dumbest 3. Despite the fact he was shooting 0-9 from 3 at that point. It was a 3 point game at that point if i can recall correctly and the cavs went back the other way and got a lay up. It may have even been an and-1. I can't recall because I was losing my mind at how poor of a basketball decision that was. That was the last we saw of rozier for the season as brad pulled him on the ensuing time out. I'm not blaming the loss on him, that's a team thing. I just think that specific sequence sealed the fate of the game.
TP, but even worse was the fact that Morris and Brown elected to follow his lead in simply running behind the line in desperation and opting to chuck threes during the same possession when it was still somewhere between a three and five point game at that time, which really made for the perfect microcosm of the night, if not also the series, as well, imo ::).
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Don't want to see Rozier anywhere in Boston. He needs to go ASAP
The hottest take!
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a silver lining to his play tonight is that we won't be hearing the trade Kyrie keep Rozier talk.
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I have 10 reasons why he doesn’t
They better check that rim. Pretty sure it’s bent after the beating it took tonight.
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Don't want to see Rozier anywhere in Boston. He needs to go ASAP
Why?
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Don't want to see Rozier anywhere in Boston. He needs to go ASAP
Why?
You do realize I posted this the night the Celtics lost Game 7 right? Lol these thread bumpers ::)
Ehh, I'm over it. If he stays, cool. If not, then Smart stays. Win/win for the C's!
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Do light bulbs make the sun expendable/tradeable?
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Lol these thread bumpers
His inconsistency is J.R. Smith like almost so I get it.
LBJ has been seemingly 80% of the recent topic posts until it cooled down a bit today. It is getting tired so let's discuss Rozier or anyone else for that matter :P
Do light bulbs make the sun expendable/tradeable?
is this question a trap? :D
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Do light bulbs make the sun expendable/tradeable?
Bahaha, TP
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Lol these thread bumpers
His inconsistency is J.R. Smith like almost so I get it.
LBJ has been seemingly 80% of the recent topic posts until it cooled down a bit today. It is getting tired so let's discuss Rozier or anyone else for that matter :P
Fair enough. There's been like 9 different threads about LeBron James here the last couple of days.