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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: KGBirdBias on May 27, 2018, 11:06:21 PM
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Tatum should've had that ball down the stretch. Why wasn't Rozier in earlier.
Steven's can you win the big one when it counts...[dang it]! This was easy and we lost to these scrubs.
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Seriously? We went as far as we could go with mostly role players.
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I think Stevens protected Irving and Hayward in this game.
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Oh stop it. They got good looks but nobody could buy a bucket. Tatum did carry a heavy load down the stretch. Sometimes the ball just doesn’t find the basket.
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Tatum should've had that ball down the stretch. Why wasn't Rozier in earlier.
Steven's can you win the big one when it counts...[dang it]! This was easy and we lost to these scrubs.
Not his fault rozier went 0-8 with a very dumb dunk attempt on James
Brown was terrible as well
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Why wasn't Rozier in earlier?
Because he sucked all game. You lose credibility right there.
This is on the players. Jaylen no-showed. Terry was scary alright. Al disappeared after the 1st quarter. No heart outside of Tatum. None.
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This game shouldn't have been close. No Love...sorry guys he coached to protect Irving and Hayward. He didn't coach to win.
You'll really believe this Cavs team is better than us?
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I dunno about on Brad, but he definitely could have done better.
Not playing Baynes in the 4th, even after he killed them in the 3rd made no freakin sense. This decision was by far his worst for me. Baynes was way better than Brown and Rozier
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This game shouldn't have been close. No Love...sorry guys he coached to protect Irving and Hayward. He didn't coach to win.
You'll really believe this Cavs team is better than us?
What the hell does "coaching to protect Irving and Hayward" even mean?
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Tatum should've had that ball down the stretch. Why wasn't Rozier in earlier.
Steven's can you win the big one when it counts...[dang it]! This was easy and we lost to these scrubs.
Not his fault rozier went 0-8 with a very dumb dunk attempt on James
Brown was terrible as well
I forgot about that. Ughhhhhhh
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This game isn't on ANYONE...
Bottom line here is that Horford and Tatum played well. So did Marcus Morris.
Smart had some key plays but needed others to feed into his energy. We did not.
We almost beat the best player in the NBA (the last several years, too - I may add)....and we ALMOST did it without our TWO ALPHAS
(https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/4/590x/Gordon-Hayward-and-Kyrie-Irving-will-not-play-in-the-playoffs-942005.jpg)
We get THOSE TWO back, add them to Tatum, Horford and JB and this series is over in 6 games.
I am extremely proud of what this team accomplished and so should we ALL.
Loss isn't on ANYONE except our LACK of STAR POWER to counter LeBron.
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We can score 79 points on this defense if 3 guys are off. He's over coaching instead of just giving Tatum isos. Tat7m was having his way. Bron didn't even play great.
This is pathetic.
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He stuck with Rozier way too long in the 3rd when he was completely out of control. Then, he subbed Rozier with a few minutes left in a game that a win was completely in reach, even though Rozier was atrocious offensively and he knew James would attack him on a switch at the other end.
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This game shouldn't have been close. No Love...sorry guys he coached to protect Irving and Hayward. He didn't coach to win.
You'll really believe this Cavs team is better than us?
What the hell does "coaching to protect Irving and Hayward" even mean?
I was wondering the same thing.
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We need to retire the "Jaylen Brown is a future star" talk for the foreseeable future. Stars show up when it counts the most.
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If he makes the Finals with this team how does Irving and Hayward come in and play? This is some BS...he coaches different. Tatum could've had 35 and he didn't keep calling his number.
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i think it's more like "stevens, this amazing season is on you"
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*Giselle Bundchen voice*
HE CAN'T TAKE THE SHOTS FOR THEM AND COACH THEM!
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We can score 79 points on this defense if 3 guys are off. He's over coaching instead of just giving Tatum isos. Tat7m was having his way. Bron didn't even play great.
This is pathetic.
Unfortunately we are not the Rockets who want the ball in the hands of Harden 95% of the time.
Tatum is too young to be given the keys.. Although I thought about that as well... Should have made more plays for Tatum in thid game atleast si ce nothing was working.
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You can't go out like that. 79 points with no Love. Bron didn't even have crazy stats.
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This game isn't on ANYONE...
Bottom line here is that Horford and Tatum played well. So did Marcus Morris.
Smart had some key plays but needed others to feed into his energy. We did not.
We almost beat the best player in the NBA (the last several years, too - I may add)....and we ALMOST did it without our TWO ALPHAS
(https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/4/590x/Gordon-Hayward-and-Kyrie-Irving-will-not-play-in-the-playoffs-942005.jpg)
We get THOSE TWO back, add them to Tatum, Horford and JB and this series is over in 6 games.
I am extremely proud of what this team accomplished and so should we ALL.
Loss isn't on ANYONE except our LACK of STAR POWER to counter LeBron.
baloney. we killed this team 3 straight at home and if we played smarter and made layups in game 4 we win THIS SERIES IN FIVE games YES 5! we are classic at blowing 3-2 series leads to lebron. i told people u cannot count on home court well well well. now u see why. we shat the bed. no excuse. we had that team beat
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Not Brad's finest game by any stretch of the imagination, but at some point our players need to make their [dang] open shots. It's like we tried to lose the game with all the bricks we threw up there.
Brad deserves major props for even getting us to game 7 of the ECF with our current roster. You're a liar if you thought that we'd make the finals after both Hayward and Irving were out for the season.
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blame the coach
always the ez way out
smh
*sippin*
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If he makes the Finals with this team how does Irving and Hayward come in and play? This is some BS...he coaches different. Tatum could've had 35 and he didn't keep calling his number.
This is my problem with the game...ride the hot hand..
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You can't go out like that. 79 points with no Love. Bron didn't even have crazy stats.
he should have forced team to go to rim more. we were in bonus. he let them shoot bricks. we killed them early in post ups and PNR . that is not good coaching to keep watching us jack threes. just stupid.
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You can't go out like that. 79 points with no Love. Bron didn't even have crazy stats.
he should have forced team to go to rim more. we were in bonus. he let them shoot bricks. we killed them early in post ups and PNR . that is not good coaching to keep watching us jack threes. just stupid.
Yep
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He stuck with Rozier way too long in the 3rd when he was completely out of control. Then, he subbed Rozier with a few minutes left in a game that a win was completely in reach, even though Rozier was atrocious offensively and he knew James would attack him on a switch at the other end.
THIS. Rozier was instrumental in changing the tone of the game and giving them the lead in the third. Brad sat on his hands and let Rozier's terrible decision-making and shot selection give up this game for us in the third. Just a complete brainfart on his part.
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Yes the coach can't shoot the ball, but he sure as hell can sit a guy down if he's killing the team.
Either brad head ok with these terrible shots taken tonight or he doesn't control the team.
Either way that's a fail on him.
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There as absolutely nothing the coach could have to change the result tonight. It wasn't because he played the wrong guys or made the wrong subs or had the wrong strategy. He put them in a position to win - the players couldn't make enough shots.
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*Giselle Bundchen voice*
HE CAN'T TAKE THE SHOTS FOR THEM AND COACH THEM!
But he can pull guys when they shoot us out of the game, right? Isn't that part of the coach's job?
Or how about this - instill some discipline in your guys so that they don't effing shoot us out of games like that.
I don't understand how anyone can defend Brad not pulling Rozier and/or Brown during that third quarter run when they were shooting us out of the game with those terrible shots. And that's not even getting into the inexplicable timeout decisions, as I believe that we ended with at least two left...
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Yeah...we should get Duane Casey. :P
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This game shouldn't have been close. No Love...sorry guys he coached to protect Irving and Hayward. He didn't coach to win.
You'll really believe this Cavs team is better than us?
Explain
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*Giselle Bundchen voice*
HE CAN'T TAKE THE SHOTS FOR THEM AND COACH THEM!
But he can pull guys when they shoot us out of the game, right? Isn't that part of the coach's job?
Or how about this - instill some discipline in your guys so that they don't effing shoot us out of games like that.
I don't get it. How can the coach not be getting heat when he's letting 1 or 2 guys shoot you out of the game?
I have a hard time thinking Red, pop, or Jackson would allow this to happen.
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The loss isn't on Stevens. That is a really hot take that doesn't have a bit of merit to the argument. Our guys just didn't make shots down the stretch that was the difference.
We had a 1 point lead in the 4th quarter after Tatum's 3, and after that we just couldn't score. We had numerous wide open 3 point looks, we had drives to the bucket. It isn't the coaches fault when we are just wiffing at wide open 3s.
Plus we had a 7 man rotation. Who is going to come in for Rozier / Brown? You can't bench both of those guys, we don't have 2 reliable guys to take their place.
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We can't give a pass now. This team was 10-0 at home and the other team didn't have their 2nd best player. If anyone thinks the Cavs are better than the Celtics is crazy. You HAVE to win this game...even if you get swept in Finals.
Why is Tatum always 3rd or 4th on FGAs? The guy can handle the load. At some point Steven's needed to tell them get the ball to Tatum.
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Terry and brown were both horrible. We missed endless open looks.
This one is on the players..
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I think Stevens protected Irving and Hayward in this game.
Yeah, Stevens totally threw the game so that Kyrie and Gordie don't have to deal with Ewing Theory chatterings in the offseason ::)
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Yes Coach called for the team to shoot 18% from 3.
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my only complaing with stevens is not calling timeout when the cavs went on that 8-0 run. He instead let them play and self-destruct.
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*Giselle Bundchen voice*
HE CAN'T TAKE THE SHOTS FOR THEM AND COACH THEM!
But he can pull guys when they shoot us out of the game, right? Isn't that part of the coach's job?
Or how about this - instill some discipline in your guys so that they don't effing shoot us out of games like that.
I don't get it. How can the coach not be getting heat when he's letting 1 or 2 guys shoot you out of the game?
I have a hard time thinking Red, pop, or Jackson would allow this to happen.
Thank you...what are people watching? They have Steven's a pass when they made the ECF.
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Tatum should've had that ball down the stretch. Why wasn't Rozier in earlier.
Steven's can you win the big one when it counts...[dang it]! This was easy and we lost to these scrubs.
Not his fault rozier went 0-8 with a very dumb dunk attempt on James
Brown was terrible as well
How was Smart? 1-10?
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I think Stevens protected Irving and Hayward in this game.
Did this weird statement ever get explained ?
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*Giselle Bundchen voice*
HE CAN'T TAKE THE SHOTS FOR THEM AND COACH THEM!
But he can pull guys when they shoot us out of the game, right? Isn't that part of the coach's job?
Or how about this - instill some discipline in your guys so that they don't effing shoot us out of games like that.
I don't get it. How can the coach not be getting heat when he's letting 1 or 2 guys shoot you out of the game?
I have a hard time thinking Red, pop, or Jackson would allow this to happen.
Should've put in Nader. That was the key ::)
As far as instilling discipline, those Rozier pull up 3's drives him as crazy as it does all of us. Smart's shot selection has been garbage since he played at OK State. He's a coach, not a miracle worker. He draws up the gameplan, the players have to execute.
If just one of 3 things happen: 1.) Terry Rozier gives us a mediocre game instead of a terrible one 2.) Jaylen Brown shows up 3.) Al Horford doesn't' disappear after one quarter we win this game.
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Who should he have put in? Smart also had a terrible game. Should they have gone with no point guard? They literally only had 7 players that were worth putting in the game. Rozier and Smart were awful. Brown and Morris were poor. Al was solid in the first half, but didn't do much in the second. Baynes was OK, but he's not a scorer. Tatum was terrific, but he's the only one who had a really good game. Was Stevens supposed to put Semi or Monroe in? The Celts had lots of open looks and just didn't knock them down. It's not on the coach.
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There as absolutely nothing the coach could have to change the result tonight. It wasn't because he played the wrong guys or made the wrong subs or had the wrong strategy. He put them in a position to win - the players couldn't make enough shots.
Uhhhhhhhh, literally pulling Rozier in the third and putting Smart in rather than letting Rozier shoot us out of the game on 3-4 straight possessions literally might've won the game for us. That was the run that got them the lead in the first place.
I don't understand the leeway this guy gets around here when he clearly makes bad decisions that another coach like Ty Lue would get RIPPED apart for.
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*Giselle Bundchen voice*
HE CAN'T TAKE THE SHOTS FOR THEM AND COACH THEM!
But he can pull guys when they shoot us out of the game, right? Isn't that part of the coach's job?
Or how about this - instill some discipline in your guys so that they don't effing shoot us out of games like that.
I don't get it. How can the coach not be getting heat when he's letting 1 or 2 guys shoot you out of the game?
I have a hard time thinking Red, pop, or Jackson would allow this to happen.
Should've put in Nader. That was the key ::)
As far as instilling discipline, those Rozier pull up 3's drives him as crazy as it does all of us. Smart's shot selected has been garbage since he played at OK State. He's a coach, not a miracle worker. He draws up the gameplan, the players have to execute.
If just one of 3 things happen: 1.) Terry Rozier gives us a mediocre game instead of a terrible one 2.) Jaylen Brown shows up 3.) Al Horford doesn't' disappear after one quarter we win this game.
Al's 'disappearance' was due more to Rozier's lack of ability to run an offense in the second half as opposed to bricking shots. with the way this team shot tonight, the only person who cleveland had to respect on the perimeter if they fed Al was Tatum and his passing isn't the greatest.
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He stuck with Rozier way too long in the 3rd when he was completely out of control. Then, he subbed Rozier with a few minutes left in a game that a win was completely in reach, even though Rozier was atrocious offensively and he knew James would attack him on a switch at the other end.
THIS. Rozier was instrumental in changing the tone of the game and giving them the lead in the third. Brad sat on his hands and let Rozier's terrible decision-making and shot selection give up this game for us in the third. Just a complete brainfart on his part.
TOO HARD FOR BRAD TO TELL THEM GO TO RIM OR BACK TO MISMATCH POSTUPS OR PNR! BRAD IS INFALLIBLE!
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I think Stevens protected Irving and Hayward in this game.
Did this weird statement ever get explained ?
I will say it again for those that dont understand. How does Stevens convince Irving and Hayward they're valuable when they make the Finals. Steven's protected those two so now there isn't the question of "do the Celtics really need them?"
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*Giselle Bundchen voice*
HE CAN'T TAKE THE SHOTS FOR THEM AND COACH THEM!
But he can pull guys when they shoot us out of the game, right? Isn't that part of the coach's job?
Or how about this - instill some discipline in your guys so that they don't effing shoot us out of games like that.
I don't get it. How can the coach not be getting heat when he's letting 1 or 2 guys shoot you out of the game?
I have a hard time thinking Red, pop, or Jackson would allow this to happen.
Thank you...what are people watching? They have Steven's a pass when they made the ECF.
So what? They could've made the finals with better decision making.
The way they played tonight was infuriating and just like how they played in the playoffs last season. I was tired of the street ball back then as I am tonight.
Brad is the coach, it is incumbent on him to get his guys to play smart ball and not Jack 3s all night when they're not falling.
Either this was the game plan or he doesn't have control of the offense his team is running. That's not good.
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The Celtics backcourt of Rozier, Brown, and Smart shot 8 for 42.
That’s ballgame...no way to recover from that.
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If anyone here is really trying to throw Brad under the bus we could always bring THIS guy back
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/658768083339771904/d1_cqMyF.jpg)
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I think Stevens protected Irving and Hayward in this game.
Did this weird statement ever get explained ?
I will say it again for those that dont understand. How does Stevens convince Irving and Hayward they're valuable when they make the Finals. Steven's protected those two so now there isn't the question of "do the Celtics really need them?"
celtics would've gotten destroyed in the finals....so your point is moot. If that is the case, then the point would be that they are needed to actually WIN the finals.
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If anyone here is really trying to throw Brad under the bus we could always bring THIS guy back
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/658768083339771904/d1_cqMyF.jpg)
At least his teams in Boston played like they had a brain.
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There as absolutely nothing the coach could have to change the result tonight. It wasn't because he played the wrong guys or made the wrong subs or had the wrong strategy. He put them in a position to win - the players couldn't make enough shots.
Uhhhhhhhh, literally pulling Rozier in the third and putting Smart in rather than letting Rozier shoot us out of the game on 3-4 straight possessions literally might've won the game for us. That was the run that got them the lead in the first place.
I don't understand the leeway this guy gets around here when he clearly makes bad decisions that another coach like Ty Lue would get RIPPED apart for.
Smart wasn't much better offensively. Your only other option is play with no point guard, go big and have Al walk it up. With Rozier, Brown, Morris and Smart laying as many bricks as they did they weren't winning this game.
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*Giselle Bundchen voice*
HE CAN'T TAKE THE SHOTS FOR THEM AND COACH THEM!
But he can pull guys when they shoot us out of the game, right? Isn't that part of the coach's job?
Or how about this - instill some discipline in your guys so that they don't effing shoot us out of games like that.
I don't get it. How can the coach not be getting heat when he's letting 1 or 2 guys shoot you out of the game?
I have a hard time thinking Red, pop, or Jackson would allow this to happen.
Should've put in Nader. That was the key ::)
As far as instilling discipline, those Rozier pull up 3's drives him as crazy as it does all of us. Smart's shot selection has been garbage since he played at OK State. He's a coach, not a miracle worker. He draws up the gameplan, the players have to execute.
If just one of 3 things happen: 1.) Terry Rozier gives us a mediocre game instead of a terrible one 2.) Jaylen Brown shows up 3.) Al Horford doesn't' disappear after one quarter we win this game.
If he can't stop a role player like Rozier from shooting us out of the game in the third quarter of an Eastern Conference Finals Game 7, perhaps he should find another career. Dude needs to grow a pair and reign in his players.
Sitting on his hands and allowing Rozier to simply shoot us out of the game during that stretch run is ABSOLUTELY , 100% on Brad. Do you think Pop would've let someone like Green do that? F NO! He would've pulled his arse and gave him an arse chewing on the sideline for not playing within the flow of the game.
Dude is a good, quality coach, but he is SOOOO overrated on this blog and in the media in general. And he has several weak areas that really hurt us in games, as it did tonight.
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If anyone here is really trying to throw Brad under the bus we could always bring THIS guy back
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/658768083339771904/d1_cqMyF.jpg)
At least his teams in Boston played like they had a brain.
LOL!
You guys and you're selective memory. I should dig up some old threads from back then. The complaining and handwringing was in full effect then too.
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There as absolutely nothing the coach could have to change the result tonight. It wasn't because he played the wrong guys or made the wrong subs or had the wrong strategy. He put them in a position to win - the players couldn't make enough shots.
Uhhhhhhhh, literally pulling Rozier in the third and putting Smart in rather than letting Rozier shoot us out of the game on 3-4 straight possessions literally might've won the game for us. That was the run that got them the lead in the first place.
I don't understand the leeway this guy gets around here when he clearly makes bad decisions that another coach like Ty Lue would get RIPPED apart for.
Smart wasn't much better offensively. Your only other option is play with no point guard, go big and have Al walk it up. With Rozier, Brown, Morris and Smart laying as many bricks as they did they weren't winning this game.
But Smart gets others involved, and he wasn't jacking nearly the number of junk threes that Rozier was. Putting him in to calm the tide and stop Rozier from further hemorrhaging us very well could've been the difference in the game.
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If anyone here is really trying to throw Brad under the bus we could always bring THIS guy back
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/658768083339771904/d1_cqMyF.jpg)
At least his teams in Boston played like they had a brain.
No, they really didn't, lol ;D. Only Rondo could possibly cover for the vast majority of Doc's incredibly stupid coaching, imo.
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*Giselle Bundchen voice*
HE CAN'T TAKE THE SHOTS FOR THEM AND COACH THEM!
But he can pull guys when they shoot us out of the game, right? Isn't that part of the coach's job?
Or how about this - instill some discipline in your guys so that they don't effing shoot us out of games like that.
I don't get it. How can the coach not be getting heat when he's letting 1 or 2 guys shoot you out of the game?
I have a hard time thinking Red, pop, or Jackson would allow this to happen.
Should've put in Nader. That was the key ::)
As far as instilling discipline, those Rozier pull up 3's drives him as crazy as it does all of us. Smart's shot selection has been garbage since he played at OK State. He's a coach, not a miracle worker. He draws up the gameplan, the players have to execute.
If just one of 3 things happen: 1.) Terry Rozier gives us a mediocre game instead of a terrible one 2.) Jaylen Brown shows up 3.) Al Horford doesn't' disappear after one quarter we win this game.
If he can't stop a role player like Rozier from shooting us out of the game in the third quarter of an Eastern Conference Finals Game 7, perhaps he should find another career. Dude needs to grow a pair and reign in his players.
Sitting on his hands and allowing Rozier to simply shoot us out of the game during that stretch run is ABSOLUTELY , 100% on Brad. Do you think Pop would've let someone like Green do that? F NO! He would've pulled his arse and gave him an arse chewing on the sideline for not playing within the flow of the game.
Dude is a good, quality coach, but he is SOOOO overrated on this blog and in the media in general. And he has several weak areas that really hurt us in games, as it did tonight.
Thank you for your overreaction post. Although your post doesn't really pertain to reality, I am always amused by how people will respond after a tough loss. You sir, deserve a TP.
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Man, I have to say it. Some of you people are positively nut jobs. We had a back up PG bricking shots, his back up bricking shots, a supposed up and coming star bricking shots, and it’s the coaches fault? Are you people crazy?!?
Was he was supposed to play Nader? Or how about Larkin in street clothes? You don’t just tell players to be disciplined. You don’t just tell players to take good shots. Fact is, the better the player, the better the shots.
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When Tatum dunked on Bron, THAT was the time to go exclusively to Tatum. He's either scoring or going to FT line.
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*Giselle Bundchen voice*
HE CAN'T TAKE THE SHOTS FOR THEM AND COACH THEM!
But he can pull guys when they shoot us out of the game, right? Isn't that part of the coach's job?
Or how about this - instill some discipline in your guys so that they don't effing shoot us out of games like that.
I don't get it. How can the coach not be getting heat when he's letting 1 or 2 guys shoot you out of the game?
I have a hard time thinking Red, pop, or Jackson would allow this to happen.
Should've put in Nader. That was the key ::)
As far as instilling discipline, those Rozier pull up 3's drives him as crazy as it does all of us. Smart's shot selection has been garbage since he played at OK State. He's a coach, not a miracle worker. He draws up the gameplan, the players have to execute.
If just one of 3 things happen: 1.) Terry Rozier gives us a mediocre game instead of a terrible one 2.) Jaylen Brown shows up 3.) Al Horford doesn't' disappear after one quarter we win this game.
If he can't stop a role player like Rozier from shooting us out of the game in the third quarter of an Eastern Conference Finals Game 7, perhaps he should find another career. Dude needs to grow a pair and reign in his players.
Sitting on his hands and allowing Rozier to simply shoot us out of the game during that stretch run is ABSOLUTELY , 100% on Brad. Do you think Pop would've let someone like Green do that? F NO! He would've pulled his arse and gave him an arse chewing on the sideline for not playing within the flow of the game.
Dude is a good, quality coach, but he is SOOOO overrated on this blog and in the media in general. And he has several weak areas that really hurt us in games, as it did tonight.
good luck getting them to understand that
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4 rebounds by Al did not help either- God knows we missed a ton of shots so there were plenty to go after- How does Al have least amount of rebounds at home of all our starters? Even Terry had 4 - That was Blount like rebounding in most important game of his career-
Stevens did almost as much as humanly possible but we all can learn from experiences when results are not favorable- he will learn in areas he lost out on-
Lue’s ability to take Horford out of the game and Steven’s inability to counter it, was big. Yes we missed a ton of shots but in game sevens, the Vet max player needs to find way to get better in the flow when it matters.
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4 rebounds by Al did not help either- God knows we missed a ton of shots so there were plenty to go after- How does Al have least amount of rebounds at home of all our starters? Even Terry had 4 - That was Blount like rebounding in most important game of his career-
Stevens did almost as much as humanly possible but we all can learn from experiences when results are not favorable- he will learn in areas he lost out on-
Lue’s ability to take Horford out of the game and Steven’s inability to counter it, was big. Yes we missed a ton of shots but in game sevens, the Vet max player needs to find way to get better in the flow when it matters.
we coulda had SHAQ in his prime and brad woulda been ok bricking it up instead of letting him dominate down low and ice the game
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When Tatum dunked on Bron, THAT was the time to go exclusively to Tatum. He's either scoring or going to FT line.
Is that the plan? Really. He’s not lebron. Tatum isn’t ready for that just yet.
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If anyone here is really trying to throw Brad under the bus we could always bring THIS guy back
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/658768083339771904/d1_cqMyF.jpg)
At least his teams in Boston played like they had a brain.
No, they really didn't, lol ;D. Only Rondo could possibly cover for the vast majority of Doc's incredibly stupid coaching, imo.
AHHH YES JUMPSHOT DOC. HEY ITS A MAKE OR MISS LEAGUE? ROLLING EYES
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There as absolutely nothing the coach could have to change the result tonight. It wasn't because he played the wrong guys or made the wrong subs or had the wrong strategy. He put them in a position to win - the players couldn't make enough shots.
Uhhhhhhhh, literally pulling Rozier in the third and putting Smart in rather than letting Rozier shoot us out of the game on 3-4 straight possessions literally might've won the game for us. That was the run that got them the lead in the first place.
I don't understand the leeway this guy gets around here when he clearly makes bad decisions that another coach like Ty Lue would get RIPPED apart for.
Smart wasn't much better offensively. Your only other option is play with no point guard, go big and have Al walk it up. With Rozier, Brown, Morris and Smart laying as many bricks as they did they weren't winning this game.
But Smart gets others involved, and he wasn't jacking nearly the number of junk threes that Rozier was. Putting him in to calm the tide and stop Rozier from further hemorrhaging us very well could've been the difference in the game.
*whispers*
But Marcus Smart was 1-10 from the field, including 0-4 from 3. He was just as garbage as Terry was.
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If anyone here is really trying to throw Brad under the bus we could always bring THIS guy back
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/658768083339771904/d1_cqMyF.jpg)
At least his teams in Boston played like they had a brain.
No, they really didn't, lol ;D. Only Rondo could possibly cover for the vast majority of Doc's incredibly stupid coaching, imo.
AHHH YES JUMPSHOT DOC. HEY ITS A MAKE OR MISS LEAGUE? ROLLING EYES
So coach, what do you want to do in terms of half-court offense, tonight?
Doc: get stops and push the basketball.
But what happens when the game slows down and we have to take the ball out of the net, etc.?
Doc: GET STOPS AND PUSH THE BASKETBALL!
*facepalm*
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4 rebounds by Al did not help either- God knows we missed a ton of shots so there were plenty to go after- How does Al have least amount of rebounds at home of all our starters? Even Terry had 4 - That was Blount like rebounding in most important game of his career-
Stevens did almost as much as humanly possible but we all can learn from experiences when results are not favorable- he will learn in areas he lost out on-
Lue’s ability to take Horford out of the game and Steven’s inability to counter it, was big. Yes we missed a ton of shots but in game sevens, the Vet max player needs to find way to get better in the flow when it matters.
i can handle losing but not giving it away. make them beat us and we played stupid at times all year.
i called it out well man oh man did it bite us tonight. those big 3 wins at spoiled people and were expected every game and we stunk it up tomight.
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We need to retire the "Jaylen Brown is a future star" talk for the foreseeable future. Stars show up when it counts the most.
Jaylen Brown is a future star.
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When Tatum dunked on Bron, THAT was the time to go exclusively to Tatum. He's either scoring or going to FT line.
Is that the plan? Really. He’s not lebron. Tatum isn’t ready for that just yet.
Wow this is just idiotic...what games have you been watching.
Steven's let Rozier and Smart shoot them out the game. He did nothing to stop horrendous shooting. This loss kn Stevens..period. He won a lot of games but this one he lost.
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You guys hating on Brad are the same wrong people who were trying to run Ainge out of town. We were here because of his coaching. Brad didn't miss 32 three pointers tonight. Brad didn't call a one sided reffing game where LeBron was clearly going to go to the finals no matter what. Terry laid an egg. Brown laid an egg, and smart did as well. They missed wide open threes that if they had hit even 5-6 more you would be claiming Brad was a genius.
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Man, I have to say it. Some of you people are positively nut jobs. We had a back up PG bricking shots, his back up bricking shots, a supposed up and coming star bricking shots, and it’s the coaches fault? Are you people crazy?!?
Was he was supposed to play Nader? Or how about Larkin in street clothes? You don’t just tell players to be disciplined. You don’t just tell players to take good shots. Fact is, the better the player, the better the shots.
Say it louder for the cheap seats in the back.
When Rozier hit those shots against Milwaukee, Brad was great for empowering him right? There's a line to walk, for those most part Brad pulls it off.
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We need to retire the "Jaylen Brown is a future star" talk for the foreseeable future. Stars show up when it counts the most.
Jaylen Brown is a future star.
I’ll set the over under of all star games at 2 and take the under.
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There as absolutely nothing the coach could have to change the result tonight. It wasn't because he played the wrong guys or made the wrong subs or had the wrong strategy. He put them in a position to win - the players couldn't make enough shots.
Uhhhhhhhh, literally pulling Rozier in the third and putting Smart in rather than letting Rozier shoot us out of the game on 3-4 straight possessions literally might've won the game for us. That was the run that got them the lead in the first place.
I don't understand the leeway this guy gets around here when he clearly makes bad decisions that another coach like Ty Lue would get RIPPED apart for.
Smart wasn't much better offensively. Your only other option is play with no point guard, go big and have Al walk it up. With Rozier, Brown, Morris and Smart laying as many bricks as they did they weren't winning this game.
But Smart gets others involved, and he wasn't jacking nearly the number of junk threes that Rozier was. Putting him in to calm the tide and stop Rozier from further hemorrhaging us very well could've been the difference in the game.
*whispers*
But Marcus Smart was 1-10 from the field, including 0-4 from 3. He was just as garbage as Terry was.
Maybe in terms of shooting he was just as bad. But in terms of playmaking, running the point, defence and making gritty plays they're not comparable
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Please. Guys missed shots. It happens.
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BTW...we had Green and he never did squat for the us. Now he had a great game.
Cavs will get swept.
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We need to retire the "Jaylen Brown is a future star" talk for the foreseeable future. Stars show up when it counts the most.
Jaylen Brown is a future star.
Where? High level role player, sure. He may even sneak onto an All-star team as an injury replacement one day. But he is not a future star. Tatum, though? That guy could be a franchise changer for us.
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Yes the coach can't shoot the ball, but he sure as hell can sit a guy down if he's killing the team.
Either brad head ok with these terrible shots taken tonight or he doesn't control the team.
Either way that's a fail on him.
Who would he have put though? It's not like Marcus Smart would help the shooting woes to begin with?
Who would he have put in replace of Jaylen Brown who can't buy a bucket, Abdel Nader?
Let's be real here...
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Man, I have to say it. Some of you people are positively nut jobs. We had a back up PG bricking shots, his back up bricking shots, a supposed up and coming star bricking shots, and it’s the coaches fault? Are you people crazy?!?
Was he was supposed to play Nader? Or how about Larkin in street clothes? You don’t just tell players to be disciplined. You don’t just tell players to take good shots. Fact is, the better the player, the better the shots.
Say it louder for the cheap seats in the back.
When Rozier hit those shots against Milwaukee, Brad was great for empowering him right? There's a line to walk, for those most part Brad pulls it off.
and when they are not hitting u adjust? it seems most here cant comprehennd this. or go back to what worked earlier. remember?? post ups and PNR? WOW rocket science right?
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Yes the coach can't shoot the ball, but he sure as hell can sit a guy down if he's killing the team.
Either brad head ok with these terrible shots taken tonight or he doesn't control the team.
Either way that's a fail on him.
Who would he have put though? It's not like Marcus Smart would help the shooting woes to begin with?
Who would he have put in replace of Jaylen Brown who can't buy a bucket, Abdel Nader?
Let's be real here...
u ask them to adjust see above. i get the argument we had nobody left to put in
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We need to retire the "Jaylen Brown is a future star" talk for the foreseeable future. Stars show up when it counts the most.
Jaylen Brown is a future star.
Where? High level role player, sure. He may even sneak onto an All-star team as an injury replacement one day. But he is not a future star. Tatum, though? That guy could be a franchise changer for us.
Jaylen Brown will be a multi time all star and multi time all defensive team member. Mark my words. This loss will only fuel him. Much like Obi-wan Kenobi he will return more powerful than you can possibly imagine. You are right on Tatum however.
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You guys hating on Brad are the same wrong people who were trying to run Ainge out of town. We were here because of his coaching. Brad didn't miss 32 three pointers tonight. Brad didn't call a one sided reffing game where LeBron was clearly going to go to the finals no matter what. Terry laid an egg. Brown laid an egg, and smart did as well. They missed wide open threes that if they had hit even 5-6 more you would be claiming Brad was a genius.
Wait, I love Steven's but he coached a very bad game. He is the best coach in the league but he's not above reproach. I said he coached a puss poor game and it doesn't mean he's a bad coach but this was a winnable game.
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You guys hating on Brad are the same wrong people who were trying to run Ainge out of town. We were here because of his coaching. Brad didn't miss 32 three pointers tonight. Brad didn't call a one sided reffing game where LeBron was clearly going to go to the finals no matter what. Terry laid an egg. Brown laid an egg, and smart did as well. They missed wide open threes that if they had hit even 5-6 more you would be claiming Brad was a genius.
Wait, I love Steven's but he coached a very bad game. He is the best coach in the league but he's not above reproach. I said he coached a puss poor game and it doesn't mean he's a bad coach but this was a winnable game.
Its amazing how his bad coaching job coincided with our role players bricking shots they were making before. Remarkable really.
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I mean I don't know what Bard is supposed to do differently. Our guards went 6-42. What is he supposed to do, yank Rozier and give Nader minutes? Take our Brown and give Semi minutes? I mean we couldn't but a three and we had some great looks. It happens. Use it for fuel to get better next year.
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Man, I have to say it. Some of you people are positively nut jobs. We had a back up PG bricking shots, his back up bricking shots, a supposed up and coming star bricking shots, and it’s the coaches fault? Are you people crazy?!?
Was he was supposed to play Nader? Or how about Larkin in street clothes? You don’t just tell players to be disciplined. You don’t just tell players to take good shots. Fact is, the better the player, the better the shots.
Say it louder for the cheap seats in the back.
When Rozier hit those shots against Milwaukee, Brad was great for empowering him right? There's a line to walk, for those most part Brad pulls it off.
and when they are not hitting u adjust? it seems most here cant comprehennd this. or go back to what worked earlier. remember?? post ups and PNR? WOW rocket science right?
Marcus Smart 1-10.
Terry Rozier 2-14.
Jaylen Brown 5-18.
Marcus Morris 5-14.
Al Horford dropped 9 in the first quarter, only scored 8 the rest of the way.
Again, outside of Tatum, who were those magical players stepping up?
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We had an Old team on the ropes...and decided NOT to run them into the ground....Geeze, would have been so easy to RUN....Instead, walk the ball up and let them set their defense ALL game long.
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There as absolutely nothing the coach could have to change the result tonight. It wasn't because he played the wrong guys or made the wrong subs or had the wrong strategy. He put them in a position to win - the players couldn't make enough shots.
Uhhhhhhhh, literally pulling Rozier in the third and putting Smart in rather than letting Rozier shoot us out of the game on 3-4 straight possessions literally might've won the game for us. That was the run that got them the lead in the first place.
I don't understand the leeway this guy gets around here when he clearly makes bad decisions that another coach like Ty Lue would get RIPPED apart for.
Smart wasn't much better offensively. Your only other option is play with no point guard, go big and have Al walk it up. With Rozier, Brown, Morris and Smart laying as many bricks as they did they weren't winning this game.
But Smart gets others involved, and he wasn't jacking nearly the number of junk threes that Rozier was. Putting him in to calm the tide and stop Rozier from further hemorrhaging us very well could've been the difference in the game.
*whispers*
But Marcus Smart was 1-10 from the field, including 0-4 from 3. He was just as garbage as Terry was.
Maybe in terms of shooting he was just as bad. But in terms of playmaking, running the point, defence and making gritty plays they're not comparable
Yeah, I'm done trying to explain it to apologists. People see what they want to see. I'm guessing the extreme apologism for Brad is based on an insecurity in admitting that while he's a good coach he has some significant flaws.
EDIT: The mental gymnastics people are going through on here to justify some of these decisions is hilarious lol Brad being a good coach does not mean that he is above reproach. Apparently people are cognitively incapable of separating those two concepts...
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We had an Old team on the ropes...and decided NOT to run them into the ground....Geeze, would have been so easy to RUN....Instead, walk the ball up and let them set their defense ALL game long.
Amazing
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Biggest mistake was allowing Rozier and Brown to be selfish
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We had an Old team on the ropes...and decided NOT to run them into the ground....Geeze, would have been so easy to RUN....Instead, walk the ball up and let them set their defense ALL game long.
yep terrible transition also
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I think Stevens protected Irving and Hayward in this game.
Did this weird statement ever get explained ?
I asked for an explanation
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Biggest mistake was allowing Rozier and Brown to be selfish
That's exactly what we're saying! That Brad seemingly had no problem with this/recourse to amend this is the problem. That he let Rozier and Brown, but primarily Rozier during that main stretch in the third, shoot us out of this game without doing anything is simply not good coaching, regardless of the mental gymnastics some on here are going through to defend this decision.
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If anyone here is really trying to throw Brad under the bus we could always bring THIS guy back
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/658768083339771904/d1_cqMyF.jpg)
At least his teams in Boston played like they had a brain.
Huh?
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We had an Old team on the ropes...and decided NOT to run them into the ground....Geeze, would have been so easy to RUN....Instead, walk the ball up and let them set their defense ALL game long.
The Celtics had very few uncontested transition layups or dunks. And when Brown, Tatum, Horford etc took it to the basket, on too many occasions they came up empty. No one is crediting the Cavs defense which prevented the Celtics from getting a consistent transition game going. And when you don't convert, you open yourself up to LeBron in open court heading the other way.
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We had an Old team on the ropes...and decided NOT to run them into the ground....Geeze, would have been so easy to RUN....Instead, walk the ball up and let them set their defense ALL game long.
The Celtics had very few uncontested transition layups or dunks. And when Brown, Tatum, Horford etc took it to the basket, on too many occasions they came up empty. No one is crediting the Cavs defense which prevented the Celtics from getting a consistent transition game going. And when you don't convert, you open yourself up to LeBron in open court heading the other way.
yup
Cavs D eventually took the risk of
make the Celts beat us by the three
And give credit to Lue, he took the correct risk. Cavs closed the middle and dared the Celts to shoot. And Rozier and Brown single handedly cost the Celts the game. unfortunately
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Biggest mistake was allowing Rozier and Brown to be selfish
That's exactly what we're saying! That Brad seemingly had no problem with this/recourse to amend this is the problem. That he let Rozier and Brown, but primarily Rozier during that main stretch in the third, shoot us out of this game without doing anything is simply not good coaching, regardless of the mental gymnastics some on here are going through to defend this decision.
Rozier IS a selfish, undisciplined player and a back up. Brown, for all his intelligence, has a below average IQ even for a young player.
Now tell me again how this is the coaches fault? You actually think that telling them to play smart is actually going to make a difference? Guys are what they are. Brad had a better chance of talking to the ball and telling it to go in.
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What exactly was the game plan tonight?
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We had an Old team on the ropes...and decided NOT to run them into the ground....Geeze, would have been so easy to RUN....Instead, walk the ball up and let them set their defense ALL game long.
The Celtics had very few uncontested transition layups or dunks. And when Brown, Tatum, Horford etc took it to the basket, on too many occasions they came up empty. No one is crediting the Cavs defense which prevented the Celtics from getting a consistent transition game going. And when you don't convert, you open yourself up to LeBron in open court heading the other way.
yup
Cavs D eventually took the risk of
make the Celts beat us by the three
And give credit to Lue, he took the correct risk. Cavs closed the middle and dared the Celts to shoot. And Rozier and Brown single handedly cost the Celts the game. unfortunately
maye we need a hakeem the dream at the 5 then when we go cold. oh wait wouldnt matter we wouldnt stick with it. right brad?
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Biggest mistake was allowing Rozier and Brown to be selfish
That's exactly what we're saying! That Brad seemingly had no problem with this/recourse to amend this is the problem. That he let Rozier and Brown, but primarily Rozier during that main stretch in the third, shoot us out of this game without doing anything is simply not good coaching, regardless of the mental gymnastics some on here are going through to defend this decision.
Rozier IS a selfish, undisciplined player and a back up. Brown, for all his intelligence, has a below average IQ even for a young player.
Now tell me again how this is the coaches fault? You actually think that telling them to play smart is actually going to make a difference? Guys are what they are.
Just maybe a shorter leash. Boston was trying to hit homeruns with the 3 ball by those 2 and they shot them out of the game. I love Brad. Great coach that is still learning
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Tatum should've had that ball down the stretch. Why wasn't Rozier in earlier.
Steven's can you win the big one when it counts...[dang it]! This was easy and we lost to these scrubs.
Not his fault rozier went 0-8 with a very dumb dunk attempt on James
Brown was terrible as well
Rozier played horribly, but him taking the ball in for the dunk attempt was NOT his worst moment. That was decent playoff basketball (which he had passed to Horford for the easy dunk though!!).
James CLEARLY fouled Rozier with his off arm forearm that literally turned Rozier's body at least a quarter turn.
Smitty77
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Biggest mistake was allowing Rozier and Brown to be selfish
That's exactly what we're saying! That Brad seemingly had no problem with this/recourse to amend this is the problem. That he let Rozier and Brown, but primarily Rozier during that main stretch in the third, shoot us out of this game without doing anything is simply not good coaching, regardless of the mental gymnastics some on here are going through to defend this decision.
Rozier IS a selfish, undisciplined player and a back up. Brown, for all his intelligence, has a below average IQ even for a young player.
Now tell me again how this is the coaches fault? You actually think that telling them to play smart is actually going to make a difference? Guys are what they are.
Just maybe a shorter leash. Boston was trying to hit homeruns with the 3 ball by those 2 and they shot them out of the game. I love Brad. Great coach that is still learning
A shorter leash and then what? You think that would work? Rozier with a shorter leash is worthless as he isn’t a good olayemker eithe. Same with brown to a degree.
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Tatum should've had that ball down the stretch. Why wasn't Rozier in earlier.
Steven's can you win the big one when it counts...[dang it]! This was easy and we lost to these scrubs.
Not his fault rozier went 0-8 with a very dumb dunk attempt on James
Brown was terrible as well
I forgot about that. Ughhhhhhh
Rozier WAS fouled by Lebron with his off arm on that dunk attempt. LJ literally turned Rozier's body sideways with the foul BEFORE the block.
Smitty77
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Tatum should've had that ball down the stretch. Why wasn't Rozier in earlier.
Steven's can you win the big one when it counts...[dang it]! This was easy and we lost to these scrubs.
Not his fault rozier went 0-8 with a very dumb dunk attempt on James
Brown was terrible as well
I forgot about that. Ughhhhhhh
Rozier WAS fouled by Lebron with his off arm on that dunk attempt. LJ literally turned Rozier's body sideways with the foul BEFORE the block.
Smitty77
Saw that too but everyone just kept saying "great block" when he was clearly fouled.
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Tatum should've had that ball down the stretch. Why wasn't Rozier in earlier.
Steven's can you win the big one when it counts...[dang it]! This was easy and we lost to these scrubs.
Not his fault rozier went 0-8 with a very dumb dunk attempt on James
Brown was terrible as well
I forgot about that. Ughhhhhhh
Rozier WAS fouled by Lebron with his off arm on that dunk attempt. LJ literally turned Rozier's body sideways with the foul BEFORE the block.
Smitty77
Yeah, but that will never be called on LeBron. We all know that.
Rozier should never have gone for such a stupid play when the dump to Horford was on
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Biggest mistake was allowing Rozier and Brown to be selfish
That's exactly what we're saying! That Brad seemingly had no problem with this/recourse to amend this is the problem. That he let Rozier and Brown, but primarily Rozier during that main stretch in the third, shoot us out of this game without doing anything is simply not good coaching, regardless of the mental gymnastics some on here are going through to defend this decision.
Rozier IS a selfish, undisciplined player and a back up. Brown, for all his intelligence, has a below average IQ even for a young player.
Now tell me again how this is the coaches fault? You actually think that telling them to play smart is actually going to make a difference? Guys are what they are. Brad had a better chance of talking to the ball and telling it to go in.
No, in the immediate you simply yank their arses out and put in someone else. For as poorly as Smart shot, he wouldn't have made 3-4 possessions like that that completely changed the game moving forward. In fact, he probably would've calmed the game down and tried making plays for someone else.
I believe we ended with two timeouts. That's just yet another example of Brad being too stingy with the timeouts earlier in the game and letting runs like that go and screwing us down the line. That should've been a timeout, a Rozier arse-chewing on the bench, and a substitution of Smart with an ATO drawn up to stop that run.
Instead Brad just left Rozier and Brown in, and we never really recovered and played catch-up the rest of the game. Yes, that is absolutely, 100% on Brad. That run never happens if Brad is proactive and makes the necessary adjustments to curb the poor decision-making.
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my only complaing with stevens is not calling timeout when the cavs went on that 8-0 run. He instead let them play and self-destruct.
He has CONSISTENTLY not called timeouts when they were needed. That is consistently BAD decision-making by Brad.
He is very good, but certainly NOT perfect. He got OUT-coached by Ty Lue. That should haunt him all off-season!!
Smitty77
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4 rebounds by Al did not help either- God knows we missed a ton of shots so there were plenty to go after- How does Al have least amount of rebounds at home of all our starters? Even Terry had 4 - That was Blount like rebounding in most important game of his career-
Stevens did almost as much as humanly possible but we all can learn from experiences when results are not favorable- he will learn in areas he lost out on-
Lue’s ability to take Horford out of the game and Steven’s inability to counter it, was big. Yes we missed a ton of shots but in game sevens, the Vet max player needs to find way to get better in the flow when it matters.
Brad's counter was to belatedly start Baynes and then pull him after he plays great. (Like after he had that monster follow slam a few games ago and then got immediately yanked!!!)
Smitty77
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Biggest mistake was allowing Rozier and Brown to be selfish
That's exactly what we're saying! That Brad seemingly had no problem with this/recourse to amend this is the problem. That he let Rozier and Brown, but primarily Rozier during that main stretch in the third, shoot us out of this game without doing anything is simply not good coaching, regardless of the mental gymnastics some on here are going through to defend this decision.
Rozier IS a selfish, undisciplined player and a back up. Brown, for all his intelligence, has a below average IQ even for a young player.
Now tell me again how this is the coaches fault? You actually think that telling them to play smart is actually going to make a difference? Guys are what they are. Brad had a better chance of talking to the ball and telling it to go in.
No, in the immediate you simply yank their arses out and put in someone else. For as poorly as Smart shot, he wouldn't have made 3-4 possessions like that that completely changed the game moving forward. In fact, he probably would've calmed the game down and tried making plays for someone else.
I believe we ended with two timeouts. That's just yet another example of Brad being too stingy with the timeouts earlier in the game and letting runs like that go and screwing us down the line. That should've been a timeout, a Rozier arse-chewing on the bench, and a substitution of Smart with an ATO drawn up to stop that run.
Instead Brad just left Rozier and Brown in, and we never really recovered and played catch-up the rest of the game. Yes, that is absolutely, 100% on Brad. That run never happens if Brad is proactive and makes the necessary adjustments to curb the poor decision-making.
Oh, okay. Let’s yank one guy who played terribly for another guy that played terribly. I thought we already established that he was out of options player wise. And guess what; Rozier never got better.
At the end of the day guys guys have to make shots.
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Man, I have to say it. Some of you people are positively nut jobs. We had a back up PG bricking shots, his back up bricking shots, a supposed up and coming star bricking shots, and it’s the coaches fault? Are you people crazy?!?
Was he was supposed to play Nader? Or how about Larkin in street clothes? You don’t just tell players to be disciplined. You don’t just tell players to take good shots. Fact is, the better the player, the better the shots.
Wat? :P
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When the Celts couldn't win one at Cleveland .... I had a real bad feeling
Had to win one, especially game 6. But couldn't seal the deal
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Man, I have to say it. Some of you people are positively nut jobs. We had a back up PG bricking shots, his back up bricking shots, a supposed up and coming star bricking shots, and it’s the coaches fault? Are you people crazy?!?
Was he was supposed to play Nader? Or how about Larkin in street clothes? You don’t just tell players to be disciplined. You don’t just tell players to take good shots. Fact is, the better the player, the better the shots.
Wat? :P
Newsflash. You can’t tell players that at their core are one thing, to be something fhey aren’t and have it turn out well. It will turn out worse.
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Brad Stevens at the post-game presser:
"I just called [my timeouts] when the mandatory timeouts were coming with exception of the JR Smith 3 in the 3rd quarter".
I'm grateful you're our coach Brad, but please, for the love of all that is good, spend a timeout earlier in the quarter if you see stretches like we've had in games 6 and 7, where both our offense falters and we're making defensive errors at the other end of the floor. Settle the team, draw up a solid play, and chew out our players when they fail to communicate on defense. We're not experienced nor good enough yet to "figure it out" and play through these bad stretches yet. This has proven true time and time again this season, particularly in the 2nd quarter.
Heck, he even said that their inability to extend the lead in the 2nd quarter was one of the more notable stretches of the game for him.
Fix this, get healthy, and we're going to make a legitimate championship run next season.
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you can tell even in game 5....Lue and the Cavs figured something out (to minimize the Celts offense). There were too many stretches the Celts missed shots but the Cavs also sukked and missed shots
Lebum wasn't going to let this happen and played bully ball
this was the difference between game 5 and 7
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Brad Stevens at the post-game presser:
"I just called [my timeouts] when the mandatory timeouts were coming with exception of the JR Smith 3 in the 3rd quarter".
I'm grateful you're our coach Brad, but please, for the love of all that is good, spend a timeout earlier in the quarter if you see stretches like we've had in games 6 and 7, where both our offense falters and we're making defensive errors at the other end of the floor. Settle the team, draw up a solid play, and chew out our players when they fail to communicate on defense. We're not experienced nor good enough yet to "figure it out" and play through these bad stretches yet. This has proven true time and time again this season, particularly in the 2nd quarter.
Heck, he even said that their inability to extend the lead in the 2nd quarter was one of the more notable stretches of the game for him.
Fix this, get healthy, and we're going to make a legitimate championship run next season.
Our offense sputtered the entire game. Timeouts weren’t going to make a difference.
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Brad Stevens at the post-game presser:
"I just called [my timeouts] when the mandatory timeouts were coming with exception of the JR Smith 3 in the 3rd quarter".
I'm grateful you're our coach Brad, but please, for the love of all that is good, spend a timeout earlier in the quarter if you see stretches like we've had in games 6 and 7, where both our offense falters and we're making defensive errors at the other end of the floor. Settle the team, draw up a solid play, and chew out our players when they fail to communicate on defense. We're not experienced nor good enough yet to "figure it out" and play through these bad stretches yet. This has proven true time and time again this season, particularly in the 2nd quarter.
Heck, he even said that their inability to extend the lead in the 2nd quarter was one of the more notable stretches of the game for him.
Fix this, get healthy, and we're going to make a legitimate championship run next season.
you really can't blame this on CBS. The team held the Cavs to less than 90 points (one of the best in the series). But couldn't score because guys like Rozier , Brown and AL went ice cold in the 4th (Rozier was ice cold all game). The Cavs closed the middle and dared the Celts to shoot the open 3s
Players missed. What is CBS suppose to do?
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The turning point of the game was the very very dumb Rozier attempt to dunk on James
He should have lobbed it to AL
I couldnt' believe he tried that for the 2nd time this series.
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Brad Stevens at the post-game presser:
"I just called [my timeouts] when the mandatory timeouts were coming with exception of the JR Smith 3 in the 3rd quarter".
I'm grateful you're our coach Brad, but please, for the love of all that is good, spend a timeout earlier in the quarter if you see stretches like we've had in games 6 and 7, where both our offense falters and we're making defensive errors at the other end of the floor. Settle the team, draw up a solid play, and chew out our players when they fail to communicate on defense. We're not experienced nor good enough yet to "figure it out" and play through these bad stretches yet. This has proven true time and time again this season, particularly in the 2nd quarter.
Heck, he even said that their inability to extend the lead in the 2nd quarter was one of the more notable stretches of the game for him.
Fix this, get healthy, and we're going to make a legitimate championship run next season.
Our offense sputtered the entire game. Timeouts weren’t going to make a difference.
We looked fairly good in the 1st quarter. The timing of TO's, drawing up plays, substitutions can determine the outcome of the game.
And this doesn't apply just to this game, but many games, both regular and post-season.
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Man, I have to say it. Some of you people are positively nut jobs. We had a back up PG bricking shots, his back up bricking shots, a supposed up and coming star bricking shots, and it’s the coaches fault? Are you people crazy?!?
Was he was supposed to play Nader? Or how about Larkin in street clothes? You don’t just tell players to be disciplined. You don’t just tell players to take good shots. Fact is, the better the player, the better the shots.
Wat? :P
Newsflash. You can’t tell players that at their core are one thing, to be something fhey aren’t and have it turn out well. It will turn out worse.
Wait, so you can't instruct them to look for higher percentage shots? :o I'm not exactly advocating for brain surgery, here, lol, just some helpful pointers and notes concerning the team's overall strategy, such as perhaps emphasizing in timeouts to throw the ball into Horford whenever he was being guarded by George Hill, for example, which, not surprisingly, worked every single time and was available during many of the possessions where the team opted to continue to jack threes ::). If the players don't see those matchups, etc., on the court, then it's up to the, well, coach to point them out, otherwise why even bother having a head coach in the first place, lol? Is that really being so unreasonable?
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Brad Stevens at the post-game presser:
"I just called [my timeouts] when the mandatory timeouts were coming with exception of the JR Smith 3 in the 3rd quarter".
I'm grateful you're our coach Brad, but please, for the love of all that is good, spend a timeout earlier in the quarter if you see stretches like we've had in games 6 and 7, where both our offense falters and we're making defensive errors at the other end of the floor. Settle the team, draw up a solid play, and chew out our players when they fail to communicate on defense. We're not experienced nor good enough yet to "figure it out" and play through these bad stretches yet. This has proven true time and time again this season, particularly in the 2nd quarter.
Heck, he even said that their inability to extend the lead in the 2nd quarter was one of the more notable stretches of the game for him.
Fix this, get healthy, and we're going to make a legitimate championship run next season.
Our offense sputtered the entire game. Timeouts weren’t going to make a difference.
We looked fairly good in the 1st quarter. The timing of TO's, drawing up plays, substitutions can determine the outcome of the game.
And this doesn't apply just to this game, but many games, both regular and post-season.
The other team gets to o,an too. And we also let Lebron rest.
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Brad Stevens at the post-game presser:
"I just called [my timeouts] when the mandatory timeouts were coming with exception of the JR Smith 3 in the 3rd quarter".
I'm grateful you're our coach Brad, but please, for the love of all that is good, spend a timeout earlier in the quarter if you see stretches like we've had in games 6 and 7, where both our offense falters and we're making defensive errors at the other end of the floor. Settle the team, draw up a solid play, and chew out our players when they fail to communicate on defense. We're not experienced nor good enough yet to "figure it out" and play through these bad stretches yet. This has proven true time and time again this season, particularly in the 2nd quarter.
Heck, he even said that their inability to extend the lead in the 2nd quarter was one of the more notable stretches of the game for him.
Fix this, get healthy, and we're going to make a legitimate championship run next season.
you really can't blame this on CBS. The team held the Cavs to less than 90 points (one of the best in the series). But couldn't score because guys like Rozier , Brown and AL went ice cold in the 4th (Rozier was ice cold all game). The Cavs closed the middle and dared the Celts to shoot the open 3s
Players missed. What is CBS suppose to do?
I didn't blame CBS for the loss. But this has been a recurrence this season. Basketball is a game of runs. If anything, call a timeout to regroup to stop the hemorrhaging from bad stretches of basketball. If the poor play continues, then that's that, but failing to intervene when you allow 10-2, 8-0 type of runs usually doesn't end well.
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Brad Stevens at the post-game presser:
"I just called [my timeouts] when the mandatory timeouts were coming with exception of the JR Smith 3 in the 3rd quarter".
I'm grateful you're our coach Brad, but please, for the love of all that is good, spend a timeout earlier in the quarter if you see stretches like we've had in games 6 and 7, where both our offense falters and we're making defensive errors at the other end of the floor. Settle the team, draw up a solid play, and chew out our players when they fail to communicate on defense. We're not experienced nor good enough yet to "figure it out" and play through these bad stretches yet. This has proven true time and time again this season, particularly in the 2nd quarter.
Heck, he even said that their inability to extend the lead in the 2nd quarter was one of the more notable stretches of the game for him.
Fix this, get healthy, and we're going to make a legitimate championship run next season.
Our offense sputtered the entire game. Timeouts weren’t going to make a difference.
We looked fairly good in the 1st quarter. The timing of TO's, drawing up plays, substitutions can determine the outcome of the game.
And this doesn't apply just to this game, but many games, both regular and post-season.
The other team gets to o,an too. And we also let Lebron rest.
Those are poor retorts. So by that reasoning, coaches should basically never call a timeout out of fear that the opposing team gets to draw up a play too and their star players get rest.
You call timeouts to stop momentum at minimum, and if needed make substitutions or other adjustments based on what's going wrong. You don't hesitate doing so because the other team can draw up a play and get their players rest.
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Brad Stevens at the post-game presser:
"I just called [my timeouts] when the mandatory timeouts were coming with exception of the JR Smith 3 in the 3rd quarter".
I'm grateful you're our coach Brad, but please, for the love of all that is good, spend a timeout earlier in the quarter if you see stretches like we've had in games 6 and 7, where both our offense falters and we're making defensive errors at the other end of the floor. Settle the team, draw up a solid play, and chew out our players when they fail to communicate on defense. We're not experienced nor good enough yet to "figure it out" and play through these bad stretches yet. This has proven true time and time again this season, particularly in the 2nd quarter.
Heck, he even said that their inability to extend the lead in the 2nd quarter was one of the more notable stretches of the game for him.
Fix this, get healthy, and we're going to make a legitimate championship run next season.
Honestly, I thought that the game changed in the second quarter when the lead went from 12 to 2 or 4 in a matter of minutes where he should have called a timeout, only for him to eventually burn one and use the opportunity to draw up a play for a three by Jaylen Brown, who proceeded to miss it after coming right out of the huddle *facepalm*.
Like, that's the best that you could do? Really? ::)
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Man, I have to say it. Some of you people are positively nut jobs. We had a back up PG bricking shots, his back up bricking shots, a supposed up and coming star bricking shots, and it’s the coaches fault? Are you people crazy?!?
Was he was supposed to play Nader? Or how about Larkin in street clothes? You don’t just tell players to be disciplined. You don’t just tell players to take good shots. Fact is, the better the player, the better the shots.
Wat? :P
Newsflash. You can’t tell players that at their core are one thing, to be something fhey aren’t and have it turn out well. It will turn out worse.
Wait, so you can't instruct them to look for higher percentage shots? :o I'm not exactly advocating for brain surgery, here, lol, just some helpful pointers and notes concerning the team's overall strategy, such as perhaps emphasizing in timeouts to throw the ball into Horford whenever he was being guarded by George Hill, for example, which, not surprisingly, worked every single time and was available during many of the possessions where the team opted to continue to jack threes ::). If the players don't see those matchups, etc., on the court, then it's up to the, well, coach to point them out, otherwise why even bother having a head coach in the first place, lol? Is that really being so unreasonable?
There are a multitude of reasons to explain why certain things happen. First, Rozier is not a good playmaker. In fact, he’s pretty craptacular most of the time. He may simply be incapable of doing what want him to do consistently. And, he’s been playying this way the entire playoffs. Can’t whine now when it doesn’t work.
The bottom line is this. Rozier was playing WAY over his head and was bound to come back to earth. Tell me again how that’s the coaches fault?
And before you say okay smart, what, the whole game? On average, he’s worse offensive player than Rozier.
Again, tell how it’s the coaches fault that his below average offensive players played below average?
Like o said, some of you guys are complete loons.
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In any case, I'm proud of our team and I'm proud of Stevens. This was a heck of a season. Going to sleep it off.
Can't wait for next year.
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Brad Stevens at the post-game presser:
"I just called [my timeouts] when the mandatory timeouts were coming with exception of the JR Smith 3 in the 3rd quarter".
I'm grateful you're our coach Brad, but please, for the love of all that is good, spend a timeout earlier in the quarter if you see stretches like we've had in games 6 and 7, where both our offense falters and we're making defensive errors at the other end of the floor. Settle the team, draw up a solid play, and chew out our players when they fail to communicate on defense. We're not experienced nor good enough yet to "figure it out" and play through these bad stretches yet. This has proven true time and time again this season, particularly in the 2nd quarter.
Heck, he even said that their inability to extend the lead in the 2nd quarter was one of the more notable stretches of the game for him.
Fix this, get healthy, and we're going to make a legitimate championship run next season.
Our offense sputtered the entire game. Timeouts weren’t going to make a difference.
We looked fairly good in the 1st quarter. The timing of TO's, drawing up plays, substitutions can determine the outcome of the game.
And this doesn't apply just to this game, but many games, both regular and post-season.
The other team gets to o,an too. And we also let Lebron rest.
Those are poor retorts. So by that reasoning, coaches should basically never call a timeout out of fear that the opposing team gets to draw up a play too and their star players get rest.
You call timeouts to stop momentum at minimum, and if needed make substitutions or other adjustments based on what's going wrong. You don't hesitate doing so because the other team can draw up a play and get their players rest.
We played bad basketball for three ENTIRE quarters. Tell me again how a timeout would have made a difference?
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If anyone here is really trying to throw Brad under the bus we could always bring THIS guy back
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/658768083339771904/d1_cqMyF.jpg)
At least his teams in Boston played like they had a brain.
Huh?
I'll explain......I don't recall out team under doc playing dumb. I'm fact he preached against hero ball and stressed team above all.
This is not to say doc is better but to point out Brad has a weaknesswith this.
If we can't hold a coach accountable because " he's not missing shots" then no coach could ever be held accountable to how his team played.
A coach cannot allow 1 or 2 guys relentlessly take bad shots and be given a pass.
You make a statement to the team that you will not allow them to go rogue and cost you a game. Of you have to pull them and go big, then so be it. At least going into the next season the team knows who is in charge and that they ride and die by his game plan.
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Man, I have to say it. Some of you people are positively nut jobs. We had a back up PG bricking shots, his back up bricking shots, a supposed up and coming star bricking shots, and it’s the coaches fault? Are you people crazy?!?
Was he was supposed to play Nader? Or how about Larkin in street clothes? You don’t just tell players to be disciplined. You don’t just tell players to take good shots. Fact is, the better the player, the better the shots.
Wat? :P
Newsflash. You can’t tell players that at their core are one thing, to be something fhey aren’t and have it turn out well. It will turn out worse.
Wait, so you can't instruct them to look for higher percentage shots? :o I'm not exactly advocating for brain surgery, here, lol, just some helpful pointers and notes concerning the team's overall strategy, such as perhaps emphasizing in timeouts to throw the ball into Horford whenever he was being guarded by George Hill, for example, which, not surprisingly, worked every single time and was available during many of the possessions where the team opted to continue to jack threes ::). If the players don't see those matchups, etc., on the court, then it's up to the, well, coach to point them out, otherwise why even bother having a head coach in the first place, lol? Is that really being so unreasonable?
There are a multitude of reasons to explain why certain things happen. First, Rozier is not a good playmaker. In fact, he’s pretty craptacular most of the time. He may simply be incapable of doing what want him to do consistently. And, he’s been playying this way the entire playoffs. Can’t whine now when it doesn’t work.
The bottom line is this. Rozier was playing WAY over his head and was bound to come back to earth. Tell me again how that’s the coaches fault?
And before you say okay smart, what, the whole game? On average, he’s worse offensive player than Rozier.
Again, tell how it’s the coaches fault that his below average offensive players played below average?
Like o said, some of you guys are complete loons.
Thanks! ;D Love you, too ::).
As for the rest, yeah, I think we've all known for quite some time, now, that Rozier is in no way, shape, or form any kind of a point guard, lol, hence why the offense usually runs through Horford, but beyond that, my overall point was as to why would you ever go away from what had been working, and especially in a game of this magnitude? That just doesn't make any sense to me, like at all, and besides, it wasn't like the Cavs had adjusted, or something, so why stop? Seriously, why?
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Man how crazy is this..
No Credit at all given to the Cavs Defense or To the fact that We had Zero answers for Lebron. The guy played every minute of the game and hit every big shot..
I love Team basketball, it looks outstanding.. But in these kinds of games, you need a star who can flat out Carry you to a win because everybody in Game 7 can't do it..
IF you look through the history of Game 7s you will see tons and tons of players having horrible shooting nights.. It's the nature of the pressure.. Why do some of you feel like our 1st time starters would be immune to that pressure.. .
This was not a Brad Stevens thing.. This was a young team being outclassed by a bunch of old seasoned Vets... One of those Vets just happens to be in the conversation for the best to ever do it...
We weren't beating Lebron in a Game 7 with the kids... Not the first time around... Dues must be paid.
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Biggest mistake was allowing Rozier and Brown to be selfish
That's exactly what we're saying! That Brad seemingly had no problem with this/recourse to amend this is the problem. That he let Rozier and Brown, but primarily Rozier during that main stretch in the third, shoot us out of this game without doing anything is simply not good coaching, regardless of the mental gymnastics some on here are going through to defend this decision.
Rozier IS a selfish, undisciplined player and a back up. Brown, for all his intelligence, has a below average IQ even for a young player.
Now tell me again how this is the coaches fault? You actually think that telling them to play smart is actually going to make a difference? Guys are what they are. Brad had a better chance of talking to the ball and telling it to go in.
No, in the immediate you simply yank their arses out and put in someone else. For as poorly as Smart shot, he wouldn't have made 3-4 possessions like that that completely changed the game moving forward. In fact, he probably would've calmed the game down and tried making plays for someone else.
I believe we ended with two timeouts. That's just yet another example of Brad being too stingy with the timeouts earlier in the game and letting runs like that go and screwing us down the line. That should've been a timeout, a Rozier arse-chewing on the bench, and a substitution of Smart with an ATO drawn up to stop that run.
Instead Brad just left Rozier and Brown in, and we never really recovered and played catch-up the rest of the game. Yes, that is absolutely, 100% on Brad. That run never happens if Brad is proactive and makes the necessary adjustments to curb the poor decision-making.
Guys have bad games. Tatum has had bad playoff games. Horfrod has had bad games. Even Lebron had an awful game one. At this stage in the season you simply don't decide to yank Brown or Rozier because they are missing shots. And I disagree about the bad decision making, Rozier took a couple bad three particularly late in the game but by and large we didn't take bad shots. You think Brad is gonna yank Brown after he misses a wide open 3 at the end of the half? HE WANTS BROWN TO TAKE THAT SHOT. We missed shots, Brown and Rozier should feel bad and use it as fuel to get better this offseaosn. Doing something stupid like benching your leading scorer for the series up to that point because he missed some shots is not good coaching.
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I love Stevens but he allowed 2 guys to shoot the team out the game. Tatum should've had at the least 25 FGAs because he was the only one who could score.
The same thing that helps this team is the same thing that hurt this team. That's knowing when to STOP shooting 3s and take the ball to the basket. Just a poorly coached game.
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Let me repeat
IT WAS NOT CBS fault last night
The Cavs were protecting the paint/semi zone defense. They dared the Celts to shoot long range shots. And the team kept missing good shots
Jayson Tatum was hounded/covered tightly.
CBS could have had Jayson Tatum bring up the ball - full court, but that is not a set they used all season long.
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I think we have to at least drop the genius label for a little while out of respect. Ty Lue survived game 6, and then went into Steven's house without Love. He found a way to go 4-1 when he was down 2-0.
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Brown, Rozier, Smart choked
Morris and Horford were invisible in the 2nd half
this is why we lost
Also Ainge inability to make a trade for a Tyreke Evans or a bonafide 3 pt shooter/specialist
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I'd love to see the timeout huddle where Stevens goes out and tells Rozier and Brown not to take wide open 3s. There were a few pretty bad shots throughout the game, but a good chunk of the threes they took can't be passed up based on percentages.
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Brown, Rozier, Smart choked
Morris and Horford were invisible in the 2nd half
this is why we lost
Also Ainge inability to make a trade for a Tyreke Evans or a bonafide 3 pt shooter/specialist
TP for an interesting idea I wouldn't have thought of
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I feel like Brown and Rozier were trying to have their "Playoff moment". They took a lot of quick threes. They weren't necessarily bad shots, but they should've settled a little bit before taking them.
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Let me repeat
IT WAS NOT CBS fault last night
The Cavs were protecting the paint/semi zone defense. They dared the Celts to shoot long range shots. And the team kept missing good shots
Jayson Tatum was hounded/covered tightly.
CBS could have had Jayson Tatum bring up the ball - full court, but that is not a set they used all season long.
Umm, no, they really weren't, like at all, not to mention the fact that the Cavs have no shot blocking on the interior.
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Let me repeat
IT WAS NOT CBS fault last night
The Cavs were protecting the paint/semi zone defense. They dared the Celts to shoot long range shots. And the team kept missing good shots
Jayson Tatum was hounded/covered tightly.
CBS could have had Jayson Tatum bring up the ball - full court, but that is not a set they used all season long.
Umm, no, they really weren't, like at all, not to mention the fact that the Cavs have no shot blocking on the interior.
i figured they were collapsing to an extent but even if they were we should have just all 5 went to the paint to draw fouls and have 5 guys to get O boards. we were desperate at that point anyway nothing left to lose. seems we gave up posting up and PNR which woorked good early in game. much less driving,.
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Brad Stevens at the post-game presser:
"I just called [my timeouts] when the mandatory timeouts were coming with exception of the JR Smith 3 in the 3rd quarter".
I'm grateful you're our coach Brad, but please, for the love of all that is good, spend a timeout earlier in the quarter if you see stretches like we've had in games 6 and 7, where both our offense falters and we're making defensive errors at the other end of the floor. Settle the team, draw up a solid play, and chew out our players when they fail to communicate on defense. We're not experienced nor good enough yet to "figure it out" and play through these bad stretches yet. This has proven true time and time again this season, particularly in the 2nd quarter.
Heck, he even said that their inability to extend the lead in the 2nd quarter was one of the more notable stretches of the game for him.
Fix this, get healthy, and we're going to make a legitimate championship run next season.
Honestly, I thought that the game changed in the second quarter when the lead went from 12 to 2 or 4 in a matter of minutes where he should have called a timeout, only for him to eventually burn one and use the opportunity to draw up a play for a three by Jaylen Brown, who proceeded to miss it after coming right out of the huddle *facepalm*.
Like, that's the best that you could do? Really? ::)
yeah this crap sammich is on hima nd the players. everybody needs to take a big bite!
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I like CBS but IMO he wasn't that good last night. We should have went up tempo run Lebron hard. Rozier should have been benched earlier, Smart should have been told don't shoot. Inability to adjust to the switch with Lebron and Rozier.
I think CBS learned a lot last night too.
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Let me repeat
IT WAS NOT CBS fault last night
The Cavs were protecting the paint/semi zone defense. They dared the Celts to shoot long range shots. And the team kept missing good shots
Jayson Tatum was hounded/covered tightly.
CBS could have had Jayson Tatum bring up the ball - full court, but that is not a set they used all season long.
Umm, no, they really weren't, like at all, not to mention the fact that the Cavs have no shot blocking on the interior.
Lethanos and TT says hi
Whenever the Celts were ready to dump it in to Morris or Horford, the interior collapsed pretty quickly.
Same with Brown trying to attack the basket
The Celtics lacked a true "floor general" who could penetrate and hit the rolling man or pass it to the open man (though what good that would have done, as the Celts couldn't hit a 3 to save their lives).
Cavs played the same kind of D in game 5, 6, 7. In game 5, the Cavs sukked even more and couldn't score. But not in game 6 and 7 and that was the difference
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I like CBS but IMO he wasn't that good last night. We should have went up tempo run Lebron hard. Rozier should have been benched earlier, Smart should have been told don't shoot. Inability to adjust to the switch with Lebron and Rozier.
I think CBS learned a lot last night too.
Easier said than done
you do realize the Celts only played 7 players right? Not easy to play uptempo then prepare to play solid D
Its too bad Larkin was injured and Semi didn't get a few mins last night. Because I think it would have helped
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I like CBS but IMO he wasn't that good last night. We should have went up tempo run Lebron hard. Rozier should have been benched earlier, Smart should have been told don't shoot. Inability to adjust to the switch with Lebron and Rozier.
I think CBS learned a lot last night too.
Easier said than done
you do realize the Celts only played 7 players right? Not easy to play uptempo then prepare to play solid D
Its too bad Larkin was injured and Semi didn't get a few mins last night. Because I think it would have helped
When I posted the loss of Larkin was huge folks demurred...but Celtics did not lose a series until Larkin went down.
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Stevens did an AMAZING job keeping this team together and getting to the ECF
Add one player to our team, Irving and we are in finals with a very good chance of winning the title.
Please remember we were down, Irving, Hayward (whole season), Theis plus periods of no smart, Morris etc
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I like CBS but IMO he wasn't that good last night. We should have went up tempo run Lebron hard. Rozier should have been benched earlier, Smart should have been told don't shoot. Inability to adjust to the switch with Lebron and Rozier.
I think CBS learned a lot last night too.
Easier said than done
you do realize the Celts only played 7 players right? Not easy to play uptempo then prepare to play solid D
Its too bad Larkin was injured and Semi didn't get a few mins last night. Because I think it would have helped
When I posted the loss of Larkin was huge folks demurred...but Celtics did not lose a series until Larkin went down.
I agree. Larkin was a spark plug in a number of games. He would come in and seemed to surprised the other team with a different look than the regular guards...and yes Rozier would have got just a bit of rest and a bit of a chance to reset mentally if Larkin were healthy... underrated loss on top of all the other losses..
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I like CBS but IMO he wasn't that good last night. We should have went up tempo run Lebron hard. Rozier should have been benched earlier, Smart should have been told don't shoot. Inability to adjust to the switch with Lebron and Rozier.
I think CBS learned a lot last night too.
Easier said than done
you do realize the Celts only played 7 players right? Not easy to play uptempo then prepare to play solid D
Its too bad Larkin was injured and Semi didn't get a few mins last night. Because I think it would have helped
When I posted the loss of Larkin was huge folks demurred...but Celtics did not lose a series until Larkin went down.
not me. i agree with u. we needed larkin bad. hell i woulda played monroe down low. i woulda played semi some maybe even nader if we needed fresh legs to run some.
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Not many guys I'd rather having coaching the C's than Brad but I do think a lot of the loss should lie fully on his shoulders. All the players, even the best ones will struggle, it's the coach's job to mitigate that with in game adjustments. Clearly, I am no expert here, but a few of the in game adjustments I would have made are:
1. After watching Rozier and Smart get roasted about 600 times on pick and roll and after the Cavs did it to us about 1-2 times straight in Games 6 and 7, I would have gone to a lineup of Baynes, Horford, Morris, Brown and Tatum or Horford, Morris, Ojeleye, Brown and Tatum - could "not" have been worse than what was going on with Smart and Rozier on the pick and switch BS the Cavs ran relentlessly. I would have taken my chances with Brown or Tatum on George Hill and would have had confidence that tatum and Horford, between them, could get the ball over half court and get the offense rolling.
2. I would have face guarded/denied James the ball 94 feet for 48 minutes. Ideally force someone else to initiate the offense and if he did get the ball I'd back off a bit but make him change directions all the way up the court. Would have worked him relentlessly. We "did not" make it as hard as we could on him.
3. I would have made every possession a sprint up the court - even after made baskets. If needed I would have played Ojeleye and Moose a bit more if needed to rest guys. We had the younger legs and way too often particulalry in Game seven we walked the ball up, making it easy on James like. I would have tried to run him off the floor - you can rest all summer....
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Let me repeat
IT WAS NOT CBS fault last night
The Cavs were protecting the paint/semi zone defense. They dared the Celts to shoot long range shots. And the team kept missing good shots
Jayson Tatum was hounded/covered tightly.
CBS could have had Jayson Tatum bring up the ball - full court, but that is not a set they used all season long.
Umm, no, they really weren't, like at all, not to mention the fact that the Cavs have no shot blocking on the interior.
Lethanos and TT says hi
Whenever the Celts were ready to dump it in to Morris or Horford, the interior collapsed pretty quickly.
Same with Brown trying to attack the basket
The Celtics lacked a true "floor general" who could penetrate and hit the rolling man or pass it to the open man (though what good that would have done, as the Celts couldn't hit a 3 to save their lives).
Cavs played the same kind of D in game 5, 6, 7. In game 5, the Cavs sukked even more and couldn't score. But not in game 6 and 7 and that was the difference
Lethanos? I guess that that's supposed to be Lebron, right (duh)? I just don't get the reference.
Anyway, sure, he can block shots, but predominantly in transition as opposed to the half-court, and Thompson is long, yes, but he didn't have a single block, yesterday. Besides, did you miss as to how every single time Boston went to Horford when he was being guarded by George Hill, LOL, he scored (and as he should have done, btw), not to mention off of those two lobs, iirc? Cleveland routinely left Hill on Horford during many occasions where the Celtics opted to keep chucking threes instead of taking the best shot available. That's what's so frustrating.
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No way this loss was on CBS entirely.
We started off the game strong, feeding Al in the post and attacking the basket. It gave us a 12 point lead. We got comfortable with it and started playing hero ball and heavy isolation which is something we haven’t done all season long unless we’ve had Kyrie bail us out with it on possessions. We stopped going to the basket and it had nothing to do with Cleveland’s defense in anyway. We beat ourselves last night by not playing smart and forcing bad threes.
Perfect example was in the 4th, we were down maybe 4 and Rozier drove, had a perfect opportunity for a layup with his right hand.... Stopped.... pulled it out... and shot a fadeaway step back three which didn’t even come remotely close, leading to the Cavs easy scoring opportunity and putting us down and out. Terrible decision making last night, mainly from three of our guys, that was the difference.
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I still believe that 12-2 run in 2nd with us saving our TO’s for possible end of game was a big mistake -Yes, Stevens has been god like but when you clearly see your team losing it in the most important game of year, I try and stop that slide mid way instead of when its too late-
Oh, Rozier hits 30 percent of those horrible missed threes and we are in finals- he was horrible from long and kept firing one after another- 10 times- 🧠👀👇
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The argument a lot of our peers are making is that they did not have their second best player. We didn't have our best two players.
We should have traded for a three point specialist at the trade deadline. We had a three point specialist who shot .408. He had a season ender in march.
Why didn't we press Lebron to tire him out? Do people realize lebron is one of the best athletes in the history of this sport? Have you seen him play live? The man is a rocket ship. If you full court press him he is either going to a. beat you off the dribble and create an odd man rush or b. get you in foul trouble and therefore the team in the bonus earlier.
Why didn't brad take out Rozier and Brown? So he could play nader and ojeleye? Guys who averaged 3.0 points and 2.7 points on 33.6 % fg and 34.6 fg% respectively. I'll play the odds Rozier and Brown are going to play closer to their 82 game samples.
There's a lot of people sitting here crucifying Brad for the decisions he made. If he put in Nader or Semi you would all be sitting here criticizing how he put in scrubs. Brown is 21 and Rozier 23 (i believe). These guys are young and going to learn as they age "hey my shot's not falling, time to get to the cup." I know when I was 21 playing ball I always thought the next shot was going in. As you should.
A lot of people making the argument for them taking the wide open 3s would argue that smart has to take those 3s to keep the defense honest.
My favorite attack I read in the early going of this thread was "brad lost to protect gordon and kyrie" Brad has literally said he came to boston on the condition they would not tank. Probably the most outrageous take I've heard. Completely and utterly ridiculous.
I'm proud of this team. We have the best and youngest core in the NBA moving forward. Danny Ainge has done an AMAZING job rebuilding this franchise. We have amazing talent on the roster now and fantastic draft capital. We have flexibility that I would say no other team has. If Danny wants to trade for someone all he has to do is decide if they're worth it. Brad is great. A top 3 coach at minimum. He's young much like our team and will learn and grow as our young players will.
Without Brad, this team doesn't sniff the eastern conference finals. So for some of you guys to pin this on Brad is outright stupidity to me. Think about that. He coached a team missing 2 starters and a rotation player to within 1 game of the conference finals. This game is certainly not on him.
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The argument a lot of our peers are making is that they did not have their second best player. We didn't have our best two players.
That doesn't really matter. We are not comparing who's missing, we're comparing who's left. Are you saying it's ok that our team was overmatched by the likes of Jeff Green and George Hill?
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It wasn’t Stevens’ best game, but he’s got three healthy rotation-level guards. They shot a combined 8-for-42 overall (3-for-26 3PT).
How does a coach account for that?
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Not many guys I'd rather having coaching the C's than Brad but I do think a lot of the loss should lie fully on his shoulders. All the players, even the best ones will struggle, it's the coach's job to mitigate that with in game adjustments. Clearly, I am no expert here, but a few of the in game adjustments I would have made are:
1. After watching Rozier and Smart get roasted about 600 times on pick and roll and after the Cavs did it to us about 1-2 times straight in Games 6 and 7, I would have gone to a lineup of Baynes, Horford, Morris, Brown and Tatum or Horford, Morris, Ojeleye, Brown and Tatum - could "not" have been worse than what was going on with Smart and Rozier on the pick and switch BS the Cavs ran relentlessly. I would have taken my chances with Brown or Tatum on George Hill and would have had confidence that tatum and Horford, between them, could get the ball over half court and get the offense rolling.
2. I would have face guarded/denied James the ball 94 feet for 48 minutes. Ideally force someone else to initiate the offense and if he did get the ball I'd back off a bit but make him change directions all the way up the court. Would have worked him relentlessly. We "did not" make it as hard as we could on him.
3. I would have made every possession a sprint up the court - even after made baskets. If needed I would have played Ojeleye and Moose a bit more if needed to rest guys. We had the younger legs and way too often particulalry in Game seven we walked the ball up, making it easy on James like. I would have tried to run him off the floor - you can rest all summer....
could have used nader and yabu also for short spurts if possible if we were going to run to give others a rest. maybe could have gotten some drives and foul shots but we will never know. i surely wouldmt expect them to make any jays. after the other stuff failed repeatedly it was time to try something else. we did not. i mean we were in desperate times. desperate times cll for desperate measures. stated it was do or die every trip down now for us in GT. we had to make something happen. welp.
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I can’t blame Stevens too much for their abysmal shooting, a lot for their looks were good. Some were ill-advised but every team has a few of those.
I think a lot of people overlook that Brad was never a player in the League nor an assistant. He’s really just 5 seasons into his NBA career. He’s still learning. He’s going to get even better.
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Not many guys I'd rather having coaching the C's than Brad but I do think a lot of the loss should lie fully on his shoulders. All the players, even the best ones will struggle, it's the coach's job to mitigate that with in game adjustments. Clearly, I am no expert here, but a few of the in game adjustments I would have made are:
1. After watching Rozier and Smart get roasted about 600 times on pick and roll and after the Cavs did it to us about 1-2 times straight in Games 6 and 7, I would have gone to a lineup of Baynes, Horford, Morris, Brown and Tatum or Horford, Morris, Ojeleye, Brown and Tatum - could "not" have been worse than what was going on with Smart and Rozier on the pick and switch BS the Cavs ran relentlessly. I would have taken my chances with Brown or Tatum on George Hill and would have had confidence that tatum and Horford, between them, could get the ball over half court and get the offense rolling.
2. I would have face guarded/denied James the ball 94 feet for 48 minutes. Ideally force someone else to initiate the offense and if he did get the ball I'd back off a bit but make him change directions all the way up the court. Would have worked him relentlessly. We "did not" make it as hard as we could on him.
3. I would have made every possession a sprint up the court - even after made baskets. If needed I would have played Ojeleye and Moose a bit more if needed to rest guys. We had the younger legs and way too often particulalry in Game seven we walked the ball up, making it easy on James like. I would have tried to run him off the floor - you can rest all summer....
could have used nader and yabu also for short spurts if possible if we were going to run to give others a rest. maybe could have gotten some drives and foul shots but we will never know. i surely wouldmt expect them to make any jays. after the other stuff failed repeatedly it was time to try something else. we did not. i mean we were in desperate times. desperate times cll for desperate measures. stated it was do or die every trip down now for us in GT. we had to make something happen. welp.
Can you imagine the griping if Stevens played Yabu and Nader in a game we lost by a close margin? Those two aren’t NBA-level players.
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I can’t blame Stevens too much for their abysmal shooting, a lot for their looks were good. Some were ill-advised but every team has a few of those.
I think a lot of people overlook that Brad was never a player in the League nor an assistant. He’s really just 5 seasons into his NBA career. He’s still learning. He’s going to get even better.
shoulda stopped the jays from certain players, post up, drive, everybody collapse in the paint to get put backs whatever. try anything and everthing. obvious we could not throw it in the ocean from 3.
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I can’t blame Stevens too much for their abysmal shooting, a lot for their looks were good. Some were ill-advised but every team has a few of those.
I think a lot of people overlook that Brad was never a player in the League nor an assistant. He’s really just 5 seasons into his NBA career. He’s still learning. He’s going to get even better.
So we should use the remainder of Irving, Hayward and Horford's primes so that Brad can "learn"? He didn't seem to learn anything between games 6 and 7 and he lost them in exactly the same way.
Wonder how much we should read into the fact that he also lost all finals his team played in on the college level.
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The argument a lot of our peers are making is that they did not have their second best player. We didn't have our best two players.
That doesn't really matter. We are not comparing who's missing, we're comparing who's left. Are you saying it's ok that our team was overmatched by the likes of Jeff Green and George Hill?
They were overmatched by LeBron James. The fact that Jeff Green, George Hill, JR Smith, Kyle Korver, Tristan Thompson etc are all above average veteran players who were enough to win the series doesn't shock me. It's a bummer, yeah, but we're talking about veteran NBA starters. They can play, even if our young guys have brighter futures.
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Not many guys I'd rather having coaching the C's than Brad but I do think a lot of the loss should lie fully on his shoulders. All the players, even the best ones will struggle, it's the coach's job to mitigate that with in game adjustments. Clearly, I am no expert here, but a few of the in game adjustments I would have made are:
1. After watching Rozier and Smart get roasted about 600 times on pick and roll and after the Cavs did it to us about 1-2 times straight in Games 6 and 7, I would have gone to a lineup of Baynes, Horford, Morris, Brown and Tatum or Horford, Morris, Ojeleye, Brown and Tatum - could "not" have been worse than what was going on with Smart and Rozier on the pick and switch BS the Cavs ran relentlessly. I would have taken my chances with Brown or Tatum on George Hill and would have had confidence that tatum and Horford, between them, could get the ball over half court and get the offense rolling.
2. I would have face guarded/denied James the ball 94 feet for 48 minutes. Ideally force someone else to initiate the offense and if he did get the ball I'd back off a bit but make him change directions all the way up the court. Would have worked him relentlessly. We "did not" make it as hard as we could on him.
3. I would have made every possession a sprint up the court - even after made baskets. If needed I would have played Ojeleye and Moose a bit more if needed to rest guys. We had the younger legs and way too often particulalry in Game seven we walked the ball up, making it easy on James like. I would have tried to run him off the floor - you can rest all summer....
could have used nader and yabu also for short spurts if possible if we were going to run to give others a rest. maybe could have gotten some drives and foul shots but we will never know. i surely wouldmt expect them to make any jays. after the other stuff failed repeatedly it was time to try something else. we did not. i mean we were in desperate times. desperate times cll for desperate measures. stated it was do or die every trip down now for us in GT. we had to make something happen. welp.
Can you imagine the griping if Stevens played Yabu and Nader in a game we lost by a close margin? Those two aren’t NBA-level players.
i get it but we had no other choices really unless brad would tell everyone on O just collapse and hope for a putback because if we do not get it it will be an easy two on the other end.
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The argument a lot of our peers are making is that they did not have their second best player. We didn't have our best two players.
That doesn't really matter. We are not comparing who's missing, we're comparing who's left. Are you saying it's ok that our team was overmatched by the likes of Jeff Green and George Hill?
They were overmatched by LeBron James. The fact that Jeff Green, George Hill, JR Smith, Kyle Korver, Tristan Thompson etc are all above average veteran players who were enough to win the series doesn't shock me. It's a bummer, yeah, but we're talking about veteran NBA starters. They can play, even if our young guys have brighter futures.
100% agree. Celtics fans are blinded by their hatred of Lebron to realize that CLE isn't a bad team. They are a good team.
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I can’t blame Stevens too much for their abysmal shooting, a lot for their looks were good. Some were ill-advised but every team has a few of those.
I think a lot of people overlook that Brad was never a player in the League nor an assistant. He’s really just 5 seasons into his NBA career. He’s still learning. He’s going to get even better.
So we should use the remainder of Irving, Hayward and Horford's primes so that Brad can "learn"? He didn't seem to learn anything between games 6 and 7 and he lost them in exactly the same way.
Wonder how much we should read into the fact that he also lost all finals his team played in on the college level.
So when we win, the team is so talented with top picks. But when we lose, Brad couldn’t get anything out of them? The truth is we were a young, inconsistent team with no go-to scoring option beyond a 20-year-old rookie.
Full rebuilds typically don’t turn into contenders in this short a time. I think Ainge brought in a great basketball mind for the next decade-plus, not these past 5 years.
And our defense held them to 87 points. If anyone said we would hold hem to 87 before the game started, all of us would’ve been celebrating before the tip.
The fact that we missed a ton of good shots is not on the coach. We shot 6-36 (excluding the last three shots after the game was decided) from deep. Not too many off those were awful attempts. That’s brutal and well below our norm. The fact that we scored our playoff-low (and one off our season-low spanning 101 games) 79 points suggests our players simply Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. the bed.
I think you can look at his finals losses and realize his teams probably didn’t belong there in the first place. He put Butler into the Final Four x2. He took a team that had no business making the playoffs there his second season. Nobody would have been shocked if we lost on the first round to Milwaukee. Few expected us to hang with the almighty Sixers, and we thrashed them.
Brad has improved his winning percentage in the regular season every year and produced more wins in the playoffs each time. Just because he’s still learning, doesn’t mean he isn’t already a great coach.
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The argument a lot of our peers are making is that they did not have their second best player. We didn't have our best two players.
That doesn't really matter. We are not comparing who's missing, we're comparing who's left. Are you saying it's ok that our team was overmatched by the likes of Jeff Green and George Hill?
They were overmatched by LeBron James. The fact that Jeff Green, George Hill, JR Smith, Kyle Korver, Tristan Thompson etc are all above average veteran players who were enough to win the series doesn't shock me. It's a bummer, yeah, but we're talking about veteran NBA starters. They can play, even if our young guys have brighter futures.
100% agree. Celtics fans are blinded by their hatred of Lebron to realize that CLE isn't a bad team. They are a good team.
i also think we are hurt because this was doable. we were far closer to beating this team than our 2012 last hurrah. plus this was about to be done with a team without kyrie and Gh and theis. would have been such a super herculean achievement, IMO anyway. of course this lebron team did not have D wade and bosh. heck love was out last two games. oh well. i hope we cn upgrade the bench for next year, keep evberybody healthy. some players finally learn how to play smart and excel. this also hurts because there are NEVER ANY guarantees. you must seize the moment when opportunity arrives at your door. CARPE DIEM. this is the toughest i have taken a loss since 2012. i would have been ecstatic if this team won the east and got finals experience. would not have cared had we gotten swept 120-80 every game.
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Although he does get a fair share of blame for Game 7 (misuse of timeouts), I'll rather have Brad Stevens than Tyronn Lue, Dwane Casey, Scott Brooks or Doc Rivers as my head coach.
Rozier, Brown, Smart, Morris had rough performances. Tatum was the only one who came in to play. Horford helped but demonstrated his "Average Al" at best against LeBron James.
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Getting this injured broken team to the ECF game 7 is also on Stevens
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Although he does get a fair share of blame for Game 7 (misuse of timeouts), I'll rather have Brad Stevens than Tyronn Lue, Dwane Casey, Scott Brooks or Doc Rivers as my head coach.
Rozier, Brown, Smart, Morris had rough performances. Tatum was the only one who came in to play. Horford helped but demonstrated his "Average Al" at best against LeBron James.
How many players look really good vs Lebron?
I would think we should take a guy that can be average against the best player in the world. Most would look well below average.
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i also think we are hurt because this was doable. we were far closer to beating this team than our 2012 last hurrah.
Yup. We had the Cavaliers against the wall both in Game 6 and in Game 7, and then we almost looked like we're too afraid we might win this thing. While not entirely unexpected, it was still extremely aggravating -- and the worst part is that our coach watched both of those sequences unfold and did nothing. >:( >:( >:(
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Although he does get a fair share of blame for Game 7 (misuse of timeouts), I'll rather have Brad Stevens than Tyronn Lue, Dwane Casey, Scott Brooks or Doc Rivers as my head coach.
Rozier, Brown, Smart, Morris had rough performances. Tatum was the only one who came in to play. Horford helped but demonstrated his "Average Al" at best against LeBron James.
How many players look really good vs Lebron?
I would think we should take a guy that can be average against the best player in the world. Most would look well below average.
Tatum looked like he was good against LBJ. I mean that one poster and all ;D Morris was a pretty decent LeBron stopper the first two games, but he just suddenly disappeared the rest of the series.
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i also think we are hurt because this was doable. we were far closer to beating this team than our 2012 last hurrah.
Yup. We had the Cavaliers against the wall both in Game 6 and in Game 7, and then we almost looked like we're too afraid we might win this thing. While not entirely unexpected, it was still extremely aggravating -- and the worst part is that our coach watched both of those sequences unfold and did nothing. >:( >:( >:(
The sheer quantity of inept 3 point shooting by both the Celtics and Rockets in Game 7’s was almost unfashionable. It’s one thing to miss them because of the increased pressure, it’s another to continue digging a deeper hole by repeating the problem over and over. Just ashame.
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i also think we are hurt because this was doable. we were far closer to beating this team than our 2012 last hurrah.
Yup. We had the Cavaliers against the wall both in Game 6 and in Game 7, and then we almost looked like we're too afraid we might win this thing. While not entirely unexpected, it was still extremely aggravating -- and the worst part is that our coach watched both of those sequences unfold and did nothing. >:( >:( >:(
The sheer quantity of inept 3 point shooting by both the Celtics and Rockets in Game 7’s was almost unfashionable. It’s one thing to miss them because of the increased pressure, it’s another to continue digging a deeper hole by repeating the problem over and over. Just ashame.
Every team in the league does it. It is the new NBA.
The Spurs have done it a bunch of times and they regarded as the best coached and best run team in the league.
It is what the league is nowadays. For better and worse.
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I think perhaps the ascendance of "analytical" thinking has resulted in the league overlooking the fact that in a single all-or-nothing game, the variance of the three pointer can kill your chances of winning just as easily as it can win you the game. A great team has to be able to switch gears and manufacture good looks closer to the basket when the outside shot isn't falling.
It's easy to look at the math and say three pointers make the most sense and you should try to take 40+ shots from outside every game. But you gotta remember human nature as well. Missing shots when your season in on the line, with the whole nation watching, can perhaps have a snowball effect where each miss makes the next shot less likely to go in as you get tighter and press harder.
Even absolutely fantastic teams can fall victim to this. Look at what happened to Golden State in the 4th quarter of Game 7 in 2016. They couldn't get a three pointer to fall in the same situations that the three had gotten them out of all season long, and they didn't have a good fallback. They just kept chucking.
In a single game, when a dozen possessions or so are all that you have left to save your season, you need to be able to get the most out of each possession. You can't afford to take a big picture, big sample size approach.
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I think perhaps the ascendance of "analytical" thinking has resulted in the league overlooking the fact that in a single all-or-nothing game, the variance of the three pointer can kill your chances of winning just as easily as it can win you the game. A great team has to be able to switch gears and manufacture good looks closer to the basket when the outside shot isn't falling.
It's easy to look at the math and say three pointers make the most sense and you should try to take 40+ shots from outside every game. But you gotta remember human nature as well. Missing shots when your season in on the line, with the whole nation watching, can perhaps have a snowball effect where each miss makes the next shot less likely to go in as you get tighter and press harder.
Even absolutely fantastic teams can fall victim to this. Look at what happened to Golden State in the 4th quarter of Game 7 in 2016. They couldn't get a three pointer to fall in the same situations that the three had gotten them out of all season long, and they didn't have a good fallback. They just kept chucking.
In a single game, when a dozen possessions or so are all that you have left to save your season, you need to be able to get the most out of each possession. You can't afford to take a big picture, big sample size approach.
TP, great point.
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I think perhaps the ascendance of "analytical" thinking has resulted in the league overlooking the fact that in a single all-or-nothing game, the variance of the three pointer can kill your chances of winning just as easily as it can win you the game. A great team has to be able to switch gears and manufacture good looks closer to the basket when the outside shot isn't falling.
It's easy to look at the math and say three pointers make the most sense and you should try to take 40+ shots from outside every game. But you gotta remember human nature as well. Missing shots when your season in on the line, with the whole nation watching, can perhaps have a snowball effect where each miss makes the next shot less likely to go in as you get tighter and press harder.
Even absolutely fantastic teams can fall victim to this. Look at what happened to Golden State in the 4th quarter of Game 7 in 2016. They couldn't get a three pointer to fall in the same situations that the three had gotten them out of all season long, and they didn't have a good fallback. They just kept chucking.
In a single game, when a dozen possessions or so are all that you have left to save your season, you need to be able to get the most out of each possession. You can't afford to take a big picture, big sample size approach.
“Live by the three, die by the three” has been a saying long before analytics became ever-so-popular.
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Getting this injured broken team to the ECF game 7 is also on Stevens
Exactly. A lot of ungrateful Celtics fans around these parts.
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i also think we are hurt because this was doable. we were far closer to beating this team than our 2012 last hurrah.
Yup. We had the Cavaliers against the wall both in Game 6 and in Game 7, and then we almost looked like we're too afraid we might win this thing. While not entirely unexpected, it was still extremely aggravating -- and the worst part is that our coach watched both of those sequences unfold and did nothing. >:( >:( >:(
The sheer quantity of inept 3 point shooting by both the Celtics and Rockets in Game 7’s was almost unfashionable. It’s one thing to miss them because of the increased pressure, it’s another to continue digging a deeper hole by repeating the problem over and over. Just ashame.
Every team in the league does it. It is the new NBA.
The Spurs have done it a bunch of times and they regarded as the best coached and best run team in the league.
It is what the league is nowadays. For better and worse.
It’s almost like doubling up after a losing bet. Except you can’t sink a 12 pointer after missing 4 straight 3’s.
Lol@spellcheck making unfathomable unfashionable
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Not at all saying this is what cost us Game 7, but it was irritating watching the Cavaliers make that run in the 2nd quarter to come all the way back and CBS never called a timeout in that stretch. Almost felt like Brett Brown in Game 2 of the Celtics-Sixers series not calling a TO as Boston cut a 25 point deficit to 4 right before halftime. Rather CBS have burned another timeout to stem the Cavaliers run. Once they got back in it, you just had a feeling a loss was coming and we blew it.
But again, it wasn't the only reason we lost Game 7 and it wasn't CBS's fault that the C's just shot bricks all night long. CBS deserves a ton of credit for even getting us here to begin with (and for the C's to have been playing in May 27 despite missing two all-stars and a great bench player is remarkable)
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Getting this injured broken team to the ECF game 7 is also on Stevens
Exactly. A lot of ungrateful Celtics fans around these parts.
Very grateful for the run and the future, but it make losing in a big old choke job any more excusable. Maybe a little easier to get over. The two are not mutually exclusive.
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Getting this injured broken team to the ECF game 7 is also on Stevens
Exactly. A lot of ungrateful Celtics fans around these parts.
Very grateful for the run and the future, but it make losing in a big old choke job any more excusable. Maybe a little easier to get over. The two are not mutually exclusive.
The premise of this thread is off. Stevens was coaching an incomplete team. He had to rely on young players to win a big game 7 against a veteran team. His young players choked.
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I think perhaps the ascendance of "analytical" thinking has resulted in the league overlooking the fact that in a single all-or-nothing game, the variance of the three pointer can kill your chances of winning just as easily as it can win you the game. A great team has to be able to switch gears and manufacture good looks closer to the basket when the outside shot isn't falling.
It's easy to look at the math and say three pointers make the most sense and you should try to take 40+ shots from outside every game. But you gotta remember human nature as well. Missing shots when your season in on the line, with the whole nation watching, can perhaps have a snowball effect where each miss makes the next shot less likely to go in as you get tighter and press harder.
Even absolutely fantastic teams can fall victim to this. Look at what happened to Golden State in the 4th quarter of Game 7 in 2016. They couldn't get a three pointer to fall in the same situations that the three had gotten them out of all season long, and they didn't have a good fallback. They just kept chucking.
In a single game, when a dozen possessions or so are all that you have left to save your season, you need to be able to get the most out of each possession. You can't afford to take a big picture, big sample size approach.
Yet, it is very likely that in BOTH games the better team won. GS clearly better than Houston. And while we had more good players, Cleveland had the only start that could be counted on when it counted.
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Getting this injured broken team to the ECF game 7 is also on Stevens
Exactly. A lot of ungrateful Celtics fans around these parts.
Very grateful for the run and the future, but it make losing in a big old choke job any more excusable. Maybe a little easier to get over. The two are not mutually exclusive.
i will say this much. we need some kind of a title soon. we need to beat lebron in playoffs soon to help all these nightmares from the ECF in 2012, 2017 and 2018 go away. we need the east next year and a finals appearance. with a healthy team we have a shot. only after facing the warriors we will see what tweaking we need to do. i think we can take the rockets next year if they make it. my concern is that team in oakland. but we will worry about that when we get there. lets get there next year. make it happen.
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I think a lot of posters can't fathom the possibility that this team, that showed such resilience and has stepped up in big moments all year, went ice cold and missed a bunch of very good, very make-able shots. The coach is not going to tell the guys, Hey - stop shooting. Nor do I expect him to. We got good looks and missed and that's about the long and short of it.
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I think a lot of posters can't fathom the possibility that this team, that showed such resilience and has stepped up in big moments all year, went ice cold and missed a bunch of very good, very make-able shots. The coach is not going to tell the guys, Hey - stop shooting. Nor do I expect him to. We got good looks and missed and that's about the long and short of it.
I can totally fathom that it went down that way, it was just very painful to watch and disappointing.
As I said in another post, it's ironic that the Celts got to Game 7 of the ECF by playing nothing like what they were -- a young, inexperienced team without any proven lead scorers available to play -- but then in Game 7 they finally played like you'd expect that kind of team to play.
The last few minutes of that game are gonna stay with me -- in a bad way -- for a long time. Just like the fourth quarter of the 2010 Finals and the fourth quarter of the 2016 Finals.
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I think a lot of posters can't fathom the possibility that this team, that showed such resilience and has stepped up in big moments all year, went ice cold and missed a bunch of very good, very make-able shots. The coach is not going to tell the guys, Hey - stop shooting. Nor do I expect him to. We got good looks and missed and that's about the long and short of it.
But they didn't. They missed a bunch of easy-out shots that they took gliding down the path of least resistance. Too tough to work the defense? Here, let's settle for that long-range jumper, even though I missed the last nine.
The coach isn't expected to tell guys to stop shooting. The coach is supposed to draw plays that lead to good shots. Are you saying that the great Brad Stevens was unable to call anything better than a bunch of contested jumpers?
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Respectfully do disagree. We should be heading to the finals and Stevens inability or perhaps unwillingness to make changes, along with a number of other factors are the reasons why we are not. I think it's Ok to identify where the failures were, both players and coaching, that 's part of getting better. Key reasons we lost from my perspective watching the game:
1. We choked, big time - couldn't make an outside shot. We should have adjusted how many outside shots we continued to take with more attacking the rim head long. Put the onus on the refs, get offensive fouls mowing guys over going head long to the rim, I don't care. You "have" to attack if it's clear you're outside shooting is failing you miserably - and you have to be relentless about it
2. When were up 15 or so in the second quarter (?) we started walking the ball up and got incredibly passive, complacent. Pace was like molasses. Time outs were needed. We needed to step on them and we probably wouldn't have looked back - guys would have loosened up and shots may have started falling a bit easier. We choked it and didn't recover.
3. We walked the ball up most of the game. Massive mistake against LeBron. I don't care what kind of athletic freak he is, we needed to make him run "hard" every minute of the game to make. Every time we crawled the ball up the court we gave him opportunities to rest. Huge mistake...
4. We did not make it very difficult on LeBron either. We should have denied him the ball 94 feet for 48 minutes, make him bust his backside just to get the ball. The play redirection possum defense with him if he got it - make him change directions passively up the court. When Morris guarded him 3/4 court James didn't like it, he had to work a bit more to get the ball over half court and/or he gave it up. He gives it up, you immediately go into epically aggressive ball denial with him. Hold him, shove him, bang, use a few fouls just aggravating him - push the limits with what you can get away with. If the refs have a tight whistle pull it back a bit bit but still deny, hard.
5. Never should have let Rozier and/or Smart get beat up "relentlessly on the pick and switch by James and Thompson. That should have been shut down immediately by going with a Brown/Tatum lineup. Never used that lineup? So what, what clearly wasn't working was the Rozier/ Smart experiment.
These all seemed like basketball 101 things to me. You don't let yourself get pushed around.
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The more I think about it... CBS definitely has his share of the blame for the loss. He needed to be the "Best" player on the Celtics team for game 6 and 7.
CBS is still kind of stuck in "college coach" mentality
In college players can still develop things (especially in stressful situations). Once at the NBA level, it is very difficult to suddenly be a good FT shooter with 3 min left. Be able to hit that crucial 3 point shot with 3 min left.
For this, CBS should have identified that nobody else in the lineup had this "clutch" (at the highest level) capability than Tatum. So keep feeding it to him with less than 5 min should have been the plan. Set double screens, have him bring up the ball from full court etc.
Also on defense, Lue had Lebron on Smart. What a joke. He was not even working hard.
In turn, CBS should have made it a priority to not have Tatum on Lebron. Even on a switch
All the makeable shots missed, especially early is not CBS fault but overlooking on the fine detail, may have cost the team the game. CBS is philosophical, has this "you can do anything" attitude (which explains Smart who is a bad 3 pt shooter, still allowed to "chuck" 3s). When it comes time to get serious, place limits, make players accountable....he is very bad at this. Like Mike D'antoni
At the end of the day, he needs to have great players on the team to be able to have a chance to reach the next level and win a championship (luckily for him Kyrie, Hayward will be back next season). I have CBS slightly better than D'antoni but below Kerr, Popovich, Jackson. Below Lue as well, until he makes it out of the east and wins a championship
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I wouldn't want any other coach but Stevens made some colossal mistakes in the game as mentioned above. Once Tatum got the dunk and 3, he should've called iso for him 2-3 more times. He's a scorer so he would've taken ball to basket or got to his spot. We did nothing after that one point lead.
Next year he must breakthrough.
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It's on young players who exceeded the wildest expectations but I am very proud of this time and this year. CBS could have done better but he is a great coach.
GO CELTICS!!!!!!!!!!!
Can't wait for next year, I think we had a great year BTW. Why can't the sour grapes let us reflect on it's glory for a few days.
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I agree it was an incredible year and I'm super proud of the players, Stevens and the management. I think we have a real shot at the finals next year given health and perhaps even better, with Brown and Tatum in the fold we probably have a pretty bright next 10 years or so.
Also think it's perfectly fine to express, and talk about, the frustration of what transpired Sunday
when the finals were there for the taking. That was brutal to watch. It was like watching a train wreck in slow motion, knowing there are certain things that would likely prevent it but not being permitted to change it...
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The reason why you have to look at it critically is because these chances are far from the norm. Who knows what happens next year. I thought we'd have 3 titles with KGs Celtics and we kept having major injuries.
Its enjoyable but now I'm having basketball withdrawals because we should be playing Thursday. We were 10-0 at home and lost to a lottery team with a HOFer.
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The reason why you have to look at it critically is because these chances are far from the norm. Who knows what happens next year. I thought we'd have 3 titles with KGs Celtics and we kept having major injuries.
Its enjoyable but now I'm having basketball withdrawals because we should be playing Thursday. We were 10-0 at home and lost to a lottery team with a HOFer.
Definitely a skewed perspective. CLE is a team of role players with a hall of famer.
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First I want to say congratulations to CBS having a great year and coaching the hell out of these guys. I don't believe in scapegoating people but if anyone deserves to own this game 7, it is Rozier, and I say that with full appreciation of how much Rozier contributed and developed this year.
As to CBS, great job the entire season, but he got exposed a bit in the Cavs series. While some may rightfully criticize the constant switching, I am more bothered by other things.
1) Get off your hands and support your players. The officiating in this series was awful. The Cavs played very physical and turned Boston into a dribble and shoot team, rather than than a ball movement through penetration team. Tatum was mugged the entire series ... and could not buy a call. He received the rookie call treatment all series. Horford was also consistently hacked without any calls. EARN A TECHNICAL Brad. I get the feeling he thinks it is impolite to get on a ref who has lost the plot.
2) I also would like to have seen more of Monroe. I don't care about his pick and roll deficiencies on defense. When you are getting out rebounded AND simply cannot buy a shot, stabilize things by going old school with a low post offense for a while. Slow things down a bit via made baskets. Monroe guarding the P&R cannot be worse than watching Rozier trying to guard Leon, as happened so many times in our switching defense.
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Sometimes the ball does not go through the hoop. Ask the Rockets.
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I think a lot of posters can't fathom the possibility that this team, that showed such resilience and has stepped up in big moments all year, went ice cold and missed a bunch of very good, very make-able shots. The coach is not going to tell the guys, Hey - stop shooting. Nor do I expect him to. We got good looks and missed and that's about the long and short of it.
But they didn't. They missed a bunch of easy-out shots that they took gliding down the path of least resistance. Too tough to work the defense? Here, let's settle for that long-range jumper, even though I missed the last nine.
The coach isn't expected to tell guys to stop shooting. The coach is supposed to draw plays that lead to good shots. Are you saying that the great Brad Stevens was unable to call anything better than a bunch of contested jumpers?
agreed. you and I always agree on that. lol
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An off night, just bad timing... Rockets imploded the same way, so...
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The reason why you have to look at it critically is because these chances are far from the norm. Who knows what happens next year. I thought we'd have 3 titles with KGs Celtics and we kept having major injuries.
Its enjoyable but now I'm having basketball withdrawals because we should be playing Thursday. We were 10-0 at home and lost to a lottery team with a HOFer.
Definitely a skewed perspective. CLE is a team of role players with a hall of famer.
Those role players are, together, a lottery team.
It's disappointing, but the team is too young.
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:'(
The argument a lot of our peers are making is that they did not have their second best player. We didn't have our best two players.
That doesn't really matter. We are not comparing who's missing, we're comparing who's left. Are you saying it's ok that our team was overmatched by the likes of Jeff Green and George Hill?
Early on in the thread someone specifically criticized the fact that love being out was a reason we should have won the game. Either way Jeff Greens Career average in PPG is higher than Jaylen Browns. As is george hills greater than Terry Roziers. Greg Popovich once said George Hill was his favorite player prior to RC Buford trading him for Kawhi. Those guys are both legitimate ROLE players in the nba as their stats and tenure back up. Add that to the fact that they're playing with an all time great, means they need to play just MARGINALLY better than they would say on last year's boston team which relied on a lot of players playing above and beyond their means. They get that extra bit of leeway because Lebron is going to pick up additional slack. Experience trumps youth. Lebron didn't get this decade of the eastern conference handed to him. He had to go through the Pistons and then he had to go through the celtics. Good things will come.
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Either way Jeff Greens Career average in PPG is higher than Jaylen Browns. As is george hills greater than Terry Roziers. Greg Popovich once said George Hill was his favorite player prior to RC Buford trading him for Kawhi. Those guys are both legitimate ROLE players in the nba as their stats and tenure back up. Add that to the fact that they're playing with an all time great, means they need to play just MARGINALLY better than they would say on last year's boston team which relied on a lot of players playing above and beyond their means. They get that extra bit of leeway because Lebron is going to pick up additional slack. Experience trumps youth. Lebron didn't get this decade of the eastern conference handed to him. He had to go through the Pistons and then he had to go through the celtics. Good things will come.
Jeff Green and George Hill did not beat us though. We took bad shot after missing shot after shot, and did not feed the hot hand. I still think we beat ourselves more than the Cavs beat us.
You have a big paragraph but you use career stats. Look at Hill's playoff stats this year in 2018
9.7 PPG 49% from the field 26% from the three 2.2 APG
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hillge01.html
vs.
Jaylen
18 PPG 47% from the field 39% from the three 1.4 APG
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brownja02.html
Terry
16 PPG 40% from the field 36% from the three 5.7 APG
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/roziete01.html
and I am too lazy to post Jeff Green but rest assured Brown and Rozier have played better than him in the post season
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenje02.html
Big difference between then and now. This year in the playoffs Brown and Rozier were a lot better than George Hill. They just faltered a few games but Brown has the brightest future of these guys. As for Pop saying that, coaches like guys who hustle and are coachable than stars.
I agree with you good things will come.
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The reason why you have to look at it critically is because these chances are far from the norm. Who knows what happens next year. I thought we'd have 3 titles with KGs Celtics and we kept having major injuries.
Its enjoyable but now I'm having basketball withdrawals because we should be playing Thursday. We were 10-0 at home and lost to a lottery team with a HOFer.
Definitely a skewed perspective. CLE is a team of role players with a hall of famer.
Those role players are, together, a lottery team.
It's disappointing, but the team is too young.
I still think its a crazy way to think about something. Without Tom Brady, the Patriots prob wouldn't have made the playoffs with Hoyer starting with an awful defense. Does that mean the Eagles beat the Patriots, or a Hall of Famer and a non-playoff team?
How can you separate Lebron from the Cavs this year? He clearly has more of an effect on his teammates than just a Hall of famer and a bunch of scrubs.
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Steve did a great job with the team. I don't think anyone here is denying that. I don't believe anyone is being ungrateful either.
It's great that they went as far as they did with the depleted roster. However, they didn't get there because they were lucky. They got there because they have a good team. It doesn't matter if we were not supposed to make it, the fact is we were there and had a legit chance to make it to the finals. At this point, in that series, the injuries are not an excuse. They were up 3-2 and had 2 opportunities to put the Cavs away.
The thing is, a coach has to be able to get his team settled down and play productive basketball. That didn't happen in the last game and a few others that series. That is an issue that I honestly don't know if it will be fixed. That concerns me going into the the future.
I would've gone big and sat Terry for a few minutes and let him know that he cannot play hero here. If they lose, oh well, at least the team knows this is professional level ball and you have to play with your head.
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:'(The argument a lot of our peers are making is that they did not have their second best player. We didn't have our best two players.
That doesn't really matter. We are not comparing who's missing, we're comparing who's left. Are you saying it's ok that our team was overmatched by the likes of Jeff Green and George Hill?
Early on in the thread someone specifically criticized the fact that love being out was a reason we should have won the game. Either way Jeff Greens Career average in PPG is higher than Jaylen Browns. As is george hills greater than Terry Roziers. Greg Popovich once said George Hill was his favorite player prior to RC Buford trading him for Kawhi. Those guys are both legitimate ROLE players in the nba as their stats and tenure back up. Add that to the fact that they're playing with an all time great, means they need to play just MARGINALLY better than they would say on last year's boston team which relied on a lot of players playing above and beyond their means. They get that extra bit of leeway because Lebron is going to pick up additional slack. Experience trumps youth. Lebron didn't get this decade of the eastern conference handed to him. He had to go through the Pistons and then he had to go through the celtics. Good things will come.
Says who? That's false.
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:'(The argument a lot of our peers are making is that they did not have their second best player. We didn't have our best two players.
That doesn't really matter. We are not comparing who's missing, we're comparing who's left. Are you saying it's ok that our team was overmatched by the likes of Jeff Green and George Hill?
Early on in the thread someone specifically criticized the fact that love being out was a reason we should have won the game. Either way Jeff Greens Career average in PPG is higher than Jaylen Browns. As is george hills greater than Terry Roziers. Greg Popovich once said George Hill was his favorite player prior to RC Buford trading him for Kawhi. Those guys are both legitimate ROLE players in the nba as their stats and tenure back up. Add that to the fact that they're playing with an all time great, means they need to play just MARGINALLY better than they would say on last year's boston team which relied on a lot of players playing above and beyond their means. They get that extra bit of leeway because Lebron is going to pick up additional slack. Experience trumps youth. Lebron didn't get this decade of the eastern conference handed to him. He had to go through the Pistons and then he had to go through the celtics. Good things will come.
Says who? That's false.
Huh? Green has averaged 13 over his career, whereas JB is sitting on 10. Hill is 11.6, and Rozier is about 7.
Unless basketballreference is just way off, he's not wrong in saying that
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:'(The argument a lot of our peers are making is that they did not have their second best player. We didn't have our best two players.
That doesn't really matter. We are not comparing who's missing, we're comparing who's left. Are you saying it's ok that our team was overmatched by the likes of Jeff Green and George Hill?
Early on in the thread someone specifically criticized the fact that love being out was a reason we should have won the game. Either way Jeff Greens Career average in PPG is higher than Jaylen Browns. As is george hills greater than Terry Roziers. Greg Popovich once said George Hill was his favorite player prior to RC Buford trading him for Kawhi. Those guys are both legitimate ROLE players in the nba as their stats and tenure back up. Add that to the fact that they're playing with an all time great, means they need to play just MARGINALLY better than they would say on last year's boston team which relied on a lot of players playing above and beyond their means. They get that extra bit of leeway because Lebron is going to pick up additional slack. Experience trumps youth. Lebron didn't get this decade of the eastern conference handed to him. He had to go through the Pistons and then he had to go through the celtics. Good things will come.
Says who? That's false.
Huh? Green has averaged 13 over his career, whereas JB is sitting on 10. Hill is 11.6, and Rozier is about 7.
Unless basketballreference is just way off, he's not wrong in saying that
For some reason I read it as playoff averages, in which case, he's correct and I am wrong lol.
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:'(The argument a lot of our peers are making is that they did not have their second best player. We didn't have our best two players.
That doesn't really matter. We are not comparing who's missing, we're comparing who's left. Are you saying it's ok that our team was overmatched by the likes of Jeff Green and George Hill?
Early on in the thread someone specifically criticized the fact that love being out was a reason we should have won the game. Either way Jeff Greens Career average in PPG is higher than Jaylen Browns. As is george hills greater than Terry Roziers. Greg Popovich once said George Hill was his favorite player prior to RC Buford trading him for Kawhi. Those guys are both legitimate ROLE players in the nba as their stats and tenure back up. Add that to the fact that they're playing with an all time great, means they need to play just MARGINALLY better than they would say on last year's boston team which relied on a lot of players playing above and beyond their means. They get that extra bit of leeway because Lebron is going to pick up additional slack. Experience trumps youth. Lebron didn't get this decade of the eastern conference handed to him. He had to go through the Pistons and then he had to go through the celtics. Good things will come.
Says who? That's false.
Huh? Green has averaged 13 over his career, whereas JB is sitting on 10. Hill is 11.6, and Rozier is about 7.
Unless basketballreference is just way off, he's not wrong in saying that
For some reason I read it as playoff averages, in which case, he's correct and I am wrong lol.
Pretty awesome that our guys already have better playoff averages over established vets!
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This kind of topics should be erased immediately...
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:'(The argument a lot of our peers are making is that they did not have their second best player. We didn't have our best two players.
That doesn't really matter. We are not comparing who's missing, we're comparing who's left. Are you saying it's ok that our team was overmatched by the likes of Jeff Green and George Hill?
Early on in the thread someone specifically criticized the fact that love being out was a reason we should have won the game. Either way Jeff Greens Career average in PPG is higher than Jaylen Browns. As is george hills greater than Terry Roziers. Greg Popovich once said George Hill was his favorite player prior to RC Buford trading him for Kawhi. Those guys are both legitimate ROLE players in the nba as their stats and tenure back up. Add that to the fact that they're playing with an all time great, means they need to play just MARGINALLY better than they would say on last year's boston team which relied on a lot of players playing above and beyond their means. They get that extra bit of leeway because Lebron is going to pick up additional slack. Experience trumps youth. Lebron didn't get this decade of the eastern conference handed to him. He had to go through the Pistons and then he had to go through the celtics. Good things will come.
Says who? That's false.
Huh? Green has averaged 13 over his career, whereas JB is sitting on 10. Hill is 11.6, and Rozier is about 7.
Unless basketballreference is just way off, he's not wrong in saying that
For some reason I read it as playoff averages, in which case, he's correct and I am wrong lol.
Pretty awesome that our guys already have better playoff averages over established vets!
Same here, I'm so happy with our future.
TP at ya.
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Green has averaged 13 over his career, whereas JB is sitting on 10. Hill is 11.6, and Rozier is about 7.
Unless basketballreference is just way off, he's not wrong in saying that
Jaylen will surpass that, he is a two year player. Also CBS if this game was on him, then why use career averages it's one game. His average for the series was way less as I pointed out and you seem unable or unwilling to acknowledge.
You act like your proud, that Green and Hill have better career averages when it does not really apply to this argument as our guys were much better this post season. Brown is going to have a better career than Jeff Green. He had a better post season than Jeff Green. Green peaked at his 11th year at 17.5 PPG, he has never shot the three ball as well as Brown this year. He is on the way down and Jaylen is on the way up in terms of their careers.
One bad game for Jaylen and Terry and you think Jeff Green is miles better. Don't quit your day job and become a scout is I have to say.
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Green has averaged 13 over his career, whereas JB is sitting on 10. Hill is 11.6, and Rozier is about 7.
Unless basketballreference is just way off, he's not wrong in saying that
Jaylen will surpass that, he is a two year player. Also CBS if this game was on him, then why use career averages it's one game. His average for the series was way less as I pointed out and you seem unable or unwilling to acknowledge.
You act like your proud, that Green and Hill have better career averages when it does not really apply to this argument as our guys were much better this post season. Brown is going to have a better career than Jeff Green. He had a better post season than Jeff Green. Green peaked at his 11th year at 17.5 PPG, he has never shot the three ball as well as Brown this year. He is on the way down and Jaylen is on the way up in terms of their careers.
One bad game for Jaylen and Terry and you think Jeff Green is miles better. Don't quit your day job and become a scout is I have to say.
I'm most definitely not proud of that? Not sure where you're coming from with that. I'm just showing the example that these guys are established vets who have had half-decent (Jeff Green) to good (George Hill) careers in the NBA. They're certainly not scrubs on the NBA spectrum. It was more of an example of we're young and growing. George Hill has played in a few conference finals. That was the first for Jaylen giving major contributing minutes. I can't say I am surprised Jeff Green was essentially the difference maker in game 7. An arena he's quite used to playing in and Lebron James was drawing all the attention on top of our guys missing shots.
I'm as big a fan of Jaylen Brown you'll find but he's 21 and growing as a basketball player. I literally never said Jeff Green was better than Jaylen Brown but thanks for putting those assumptive words in my mouth! What a joke.
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Either way Jeff Greens Career average in PPG is higher than Jaylen Browns. As is george hills greater than Terry Roziers. Greg Popovich once said George Hill was his favorite player prior to RC Buford trading him for Kawhi. Those guys are both legitimate ROLE players in the nba as their stats and tenure back up. Add that to the fact that they're playing with an all time great, means they need to play just MARGINALLY better than they would say on last year's boston team which relied on a lot of players playing above and beyond their means. They get that extra bit of leeway because Lebron is going to pick up additional slack. Experience trumps youth. Lebron didn't get this decade of the eastern conference handed to him. He had to go through the Pistons and then he had to go through the celtics. Good things will come.
Jeff Green and George Hill did not beat us though. We took bad shot after missing shot after shot, and did not feed the hot hand. I still think we beat ourselves more than the Cavs beat us.
You have a big paragraph but you use career stats. Look at Hill's playoff stats this year in 2018
9.7 PPG 49% from the field 26% from the three 2.2 APG
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hillge01.html
vs.
Jaylen
18 PPG 47% from the field 39% from the three 1.4 APG
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brownja02.html
Terry
16 PPG 40% from the field 36% from the three 5.7 APG
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/roziete01.html
and I am too lazy to post Jeff Green but rest assured Brown and Rozier have played better than him in the post season
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenje02.html
Big difference between then and now. This year in the playoffs Brown and Rozier were a lot better than George Hill. They just faltered a few games but Brown has the brightest future of these guys. As for Pop saying that, coaches like guys who hustle and are coachable than stars.
I agree with you good things will come.
Agree on all points except one. Jeff Green was the difference maker game 7. He had 19 points. He stepped up in a big way for them. That's the benefit of playing with Lebron. He's so good that if ONE of the role players he plays with has a big game. that's enough on a lot of nights to beat an injury dismantled team such as ourselves. Our young guns certainly outplayed those two but a lot of people in this thread have called them scrubs. Which in my opinion is not true. These guys are above average NBA players with a lot more playoff experience. Our guys had the nervous energy and they had the been there before mentality. That's perfectly fine by me. As previously mentioned these guys are young and need to earn their keep. Just like Lebron in the mid 2000s
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Celtics went 6/12 for 2s
Also Something for cbs to think about .
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Celtics went 6/12 for 2s
Also Something for cbs to think about .
can you clarify that statement?
C's were 29-85 overall. 7-39 on 3's and 22-46 on 2's in game 7.
I'm a bit confused what that 6-12 refers to
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Celtics went 6/12 for 2s
Also Something for cbs to think about .
can you clarify that statement?
C's were 29-85 overall. 7-39 on 3's and 22-46 on 2's in game 7.
I'm a bit confused what that 6-12 refers to
Oops. 6 fo 12 from part of 3rd to 4th.
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i hope ne at least cussed the refs parentage and got
a least one technical
I sure id got thrown out of the game as a coach , if my team was in trouble in game 7 of final s.
I d tried anything to interrupt the other teams rhythm and put a spike in the butts of my players
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I saw a criticism of Stevens' coaching on one of the networks that he didn't have Horford going to the basket enough in the 2nd half in that 7th game, when he scored a lot that way in the first half. Horford had hardly any touches the 2nd half. Instead, it was bombs away from the perimeter.
I think Stevens over relies on the 3, and when you have only one sharpshooter in Tatum, with Irving out, that can bite you. The 3s weren't going in that 2nd half, and that's what can happen. You got to have some diversity in your scoring.
It goes back to the old Red Auerbach philosophy that won all those championships: pass for the best shot. The 3P shot is not always the best shot.
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From Celtics4ever:
"Jeff Green and George Hill did not beat us though. We took bad shot after missing shot after shot, and did not feed the hot hand. I still think we beat ourselves more than the Cavs beat us."
I 100% agree with this. We were up 15 in the second quarter and couldn't extend the lead. After Cleveland made their run we tightened up and couldn't buy a bucket from three. We were 7-39 from three.
When you are shooting that poorly, it demands change. To me the change is simple, stop shooting all the threes and attack, attack, attack, attack - relentless assault of the rim. Get to the line, get some easy buckets, etc. Also, you feed the hot hand.
These both seem like basketball 101 things. Continuing to jack up three point shot after three point shot when you're shooting that miserably seems like insanity to me.
We also should have gone with a Tatum/Brown back court to end Cleveland posting up Rozier or Smart 500-600 times with James and Thompson. I don't know how you let that go on endlessly and with great positive affect for the Cavs and terrible results for us.
I've seen Horford, Tatum and brown handle the ball enough to be confident they could get the ball up the court and initiate the offense. I'd take my chances with that rather than watch Rozier and Smart get pummeled for three games.
Great season, great coach, great team and players, great future. This year though, we didn't loose because the ball just "wouldn't go through the hoop" for us... or because the Cavs were far superior.
We lost because many of the players choked big time in game seven and couldn't hit shots. They're young, understandable.
We also lost because Stevens also choked in Game 7 and was unable or unwilling to make what appeared to be obvious and much needed changes during the game. He'll also continue to grow and learn from the adversity, like we all do...
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I can't believe the Celtics gift-wrapped these kind of Cavaliers to make the finals.
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From Celtics4ever:
"Jeff Green and George Hill did not beat us though. We took bad shot after missing shot after shot, and did not feed the hot hand. I still think we beat ourselves more than the Cavs beat us."
I 100% agree with this. We were up 15 in the second quarter and couldn't extend the lead. After Cleveland made their run we tightened up and couldn't buy a bucket from three. We were 7-39 from three.
When you are shooting that poorly, it demands change. To me the change is simple, stop shooting all the threes and attack, attack, attack, attack - relentless assault of the rim. Get to the line, get some easy buckets, etc. Also, you feed the hot hand.
These both seem like basketball 101 things. Continuing to jack up three point shot after three point shot when you're shooting that miserably seems like insanity to me.
We also should have gone with a Tatum/Brown back court to end Cleveland posting up Rozier or Smart 500-600 times with James and Thompson. I don't know how you let that go on endlessly and with great positive affect for the Cavs and terrible results for us.
I've seen Horford, Tatum and brown handle the ball enough to be confident they could get the ball up the court and initiate the offense. I'd take my chances with that rather than watch Rozier and Smart get pummeled for three games.
Great season, great coach, great team and players, great future. This year though, we didn't loose because the ball just "wouldn't go through the hoop" for us... or because the Cavs were far superior.
We lost because many of the players choked big time in game seven and couldn't hit shots. They're young, understandable.
We also lost because Stevens also choked in Game 7 and was unable or unwilling to make what appeared to be obvious and much needed changes during the game. He'll also continue to grow and learn from the adversity, like we all do...
it makes no sense but i am pretty sure i HAVE seen CBS stress points in the paint at times during the year. stevie wonder could see we needed that in the 4th quarter of game 7. what stevens allowed to keep happening what pure madness and suicide. it was almost the sports equivalent of watching soldiers in WW1 going over the top charging the opposing trench with no air or naval support and no flanking all whilst facing 30 caliber browning machine guns just mowing your men over. That is basically what it was like watching us jacking up 3 after 3 after 3 after 3. MADNESS.
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I can't believe the Celtics gift-wrapped these kind of Cavaliers to make the finals.
sadly the warning signs were there all year and were pointed out in game threads. we went thru some serious stretches of playing dumb basketball and not adjusting. we had a chance again to fix it in game 7 and we did not.