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It's the Summer of 2019 (or sometime in the future, like 2020 Trade Deadline). AD rejects the supermax deal, and wants out. Pelicans taking offers for AD but they 100% want Tatum from the Celtics in the deal. Would you (Ainge) still do it?

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Re: If needed, should Ainge actually put Tatum in package for AD? Nope, walk away.
« Reply #195 on: January 27, 2019, 12:28:46 AM »

Offline nickagneta

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As much as I love Tatum, if he was in a position where a bad to mediocre coach just gave Jayson free reign as a #1 guy, I think Tatum would go full Carmelo.
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« Reply #196 on: January 27, 2019, 12:49:28 AM »

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Quote from: nickagneta on January 27, 2019, 12:28:46 AM
As much as I love Tatum, if he was in a position where a bad to mediocre coach just gave Jayson free reign as a #1 guy, I think Tatum would go full Carmelo.

100% agree.

He’s becoming an ISO guy who rather take a tough, contested shot (or his favorite: a step-back long two) than pass the ball.
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Re: If needed, should Ainge actually put Tatum in package for AD? Nope, walk away.
« Reply #197 on: January 27, 2019, 12:51:07 AM »

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Quote from: GreenEnvy on January 27, 2019, 12:49:28 AM
Quote from: nickagneta on January 27, 2019, 12:28:46 AM
As much as I love Tatum, if he was in a position where a bad to mediocre coach just gave Jayson free reign as a #1 guy, I think Tatum would go full Carmelo.

100% agree.

He’s becoming an ISO guy who rather take a tough, contested shot (or his favorite: a step-back long two) than pass the ball.
It's becoming super frustrating against good teams who make him pay for it (like today). His poor defence also hurts a lot
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Re: If needed, should Ainge actually put Tatum in package for AD? Nope, walk away.
« Reply #198 on: January 27, 2019, 01:35:29 AM »

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I don’t know why this is debatable. Tatum is special but AD is a generational talent. On top of that, you already have guys who are likely to be at least 80% of Tatum’s eventual prime in eventual prime Brown and (when healthy) Hayward.

No big is near AD’s level on this team and very few in the whole league. There are better players than Tatum at his position
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Re: If needed, should Ainge actually put Tatum in package for AD? Nope, walk away.
« Reply #199 on: January 27, 2019, 03:32:16 AM »

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Quote from: nickagneta on January 27, 2019, 12:28:46 AM
As much as I love Tatum, if he was in a position where a bad to mediocre coach just gave Jayson free reign as a #1 guy, I think Tatum would go full Carmelo.


I have no idea on Tatum anymore. At times he look unstoppable on offense, but then there are stretches he can't seem to beat even PF's to the rim and settle for long twos. He isn't drawing fouls like last year, he defense seems like 10% worse. I still think he's gonna be really good, but probably not the top 10 player many here hoped for.
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« Reply #200 on: January 27, 2019, 03:47:23 AM »

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Kyrie - LA
Davis - Boston
Lonzo, Ingram, Jaylen - NOLA
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Re: If needed, should Ainge actually put Tatum in package for AD? Nope, walk away.
« Reply #201 on: January 27, 2019, 04:10:45 AM »

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Quote from: trickybilly on January 27, 2019, 03:47:23 AM
Kyrie - LA
Davis - Boston
Lonzo, Ingram, Jaylen - NOLA
Why would we help LA become an instant contender? The idea is to add AD to Kyrie
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« Reply #202 on: January 27, 2019, 11:40:03 AM »

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I came away with yesterday's game wondering...

Lets say we do what most suggest and trade Smart, Williams, Tatum (and bunch of picks) for AD.

Kyrie/Brown/Hayward/Horford/Davis vs. Curry/Klay/Durant/Green/Cousins(?)

Bench of Morris OR Rozier, Baynes/Theis/Ojeyele/etc. vs. Livingston/Iguodala/Looney, etc.

I genuinely feel Warriors have no answer for AD (not Draymond, don't know if they can keep Cousins long term hence why I put the ?), and on paper our bench should be even with theirs (even if it wasn't last night). And I think if we do trade for AD and we're clearly going past the tax, then Ainge will try to bring back Rozier or Morris w/Bird Rights (likely the latter). And hey, maybe we can sign the other Morris w/some exception. Think we have a better chance of beating them?

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Re: If needed, should Ainge actually put Tatum in package for AD? Nope, walk away.
« Reply #203 on: January 31, 2019, 12:30:30 PM »

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Danny wont give up Tatum

Rozier and Brown are easier options ...since both want to start/opportunity anyways.

If Pelicans become too greedy... I would walk

Rozier, Brown, 2018 2 1sts (highest) and if it came down to it Smart

It is a more flexible package incl players and picks vs Lakers. 

But if the Knicks obtain number 1 or 2 in the draft... and offer Zion and Kristap... then they might like that best
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« Reply #204 on: January 31, 2019, 01:33:13 PM »

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Quote from: keevsnick on January 27, 2019, 03:32:16 AM
Quote from: nickagneta on January 27, 2019, 12:28:46 AM
As much as I love Tatum, if he was in a position where a bad to mediocre coach just gave Jayson free reign as a #1 guy, I think Tatum would go full Carmelo.


I have no idea on Tatum anymore. At times he look unstoppable on offense, but then there are stretches he can't seem to beat even PF's to the rim and settle for long twos. He isn't drawing fouls like last year, he defense seems like 10% worse. I still think he's gonna be really good, but probably not the top 10 player many here hoped for.
I know I'll get flogged for this, but Tatum's defense seems rather "porous".  He couldn't stop Batum last night, and I've been him beat off the dribble many times.
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Re: If needed, should Ainge actually put Tatum in package for AD? Nope, walk away.
« Reply #205 on: January 31, 2019, 01:36:32 PM »

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Quote from: Surferdad on January 31, 2019, 01:33:13 PM
Quote from: keevsnick on January 27, 2019, 03:32:16 AM
Quote from: nickagneta on January 27, 2019, 12:28:46 AM
As much as I love Tatum, if he was in a position where a bad to mediocre coach just gave Jayson free reign as a #1 guy, I think Tatum would go full Carmelo.


I have no idea on Tatum anymore. At times he look unstoppable on offense, but then there are stretches he can't seem to beat even PF's to the rim and settle for long twos. He isn't drawing fouls like last year, he defense seems like 10% worse. I still think he's gonna be really good, but probably not the top 10 player many here hoped for.
I know I'll get flogged for this, but Tatum's defense seems rather "porous".  He couldn't stop Batum last night, and I've been him beat off the dribble many times.

Brown's all around game and ability to not need the ball to affect a game makes him a way better third banana to Irving/Davis.  And if we have to move Smart, gotta keep Brown for his wing defense.  I'm moving Tatum and fighting to keep Brown in a Davis deal. But thats just my two cents.
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« Reply #206 on: January 31, 2019, 02:00:30 PM »

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I'd rather Davis go to another team and the C's build around the young guys.  Davis is an amazing player but once a week he's going to the locker room in games and he gets hurt a lot.  Also, if we trade so much of the core we will contend for 4 years then another rebuild versus contending for 10 years with the young guys.
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« Reply #207 on: January 31, 2019, 02:30:49 PM »

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Quote from: bknova on January 31, 2019, 01:36:32 PM
Quote from: Surferdad on January 31, 2019, 01:33:13 PM
Quote from: keevsnick on January 27, 2019, 03:32:16 AM
Quote from: nickagneta on January 27, 2019, 12:28:46 AM
As much as I love Tatum, if he was in a position where a bad to mediocre coach just gave Jayson free reign as a #1 guy, I think Tatum would go full Carmelo.


I have no idea on Tatum anymore. At times he look unstoppable on offense, but then there are stretches he can't seem to beat even PF's to the rim and settle for long twos. He isn't drawing fouls like last year, he defense seems like 10% worse. I still think he's gonna be really good, but probably not the top 10 player many here hoped for.
I know I'll get flogged for this, but Tatum's defense seems rather "porous".  He couldn't stop Batum last night, and I've been him beat off the dribble many times.

Brown's all around game and ability to not need the ball to affect a game makes him a way better third banana to Irving/Davis.  And if we have to move Smart, gotta keep Brown for his wing defense.  I'm moving Tatum and fighting to keep Brown in a Davis deal. But thats just my two cents.

Plus Brown can guard 1-4 and I don't know that Tatum could really be a team's starting SG. Tatum is still the better player but I do think Brown's versatility makes him an easier fit in terms of roster construction.
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Re: If needed, should Ainge actually put Tatum in package for AD? Nope, walk away.
« Reply #208 on: January 31, 2019, 02:41:01 PM »

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If I'm Danny, I'd offer all the picks, trade filler, plus, either (i) Tatum, or (ii) Smart and Brown. 

Frankly, I'd rather give up Tatum than give up both Smart and Brown.
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« Reply #209 on: January 31, 2019, 03:24:32 PM »

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Quote from: footey on January 31, 2019, 02:41:01 PM
If I'm Danny, I'd offer all the picks, trade filler, plus, either (i) Tatum, or (ii) Smart and Brown. 

Frankly, I'd rather give up Tatum than give up both Smart and Brown.

That's where I am with this as well, although worst comes to worst if it was the line in the sand have to do it, I'd rather give up Tatum+Brown than Tatum+ Smart.

I think the post trade Celtics would need Smart and would have Hayward and Morris to offset the loss of Jaylen.

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