Bob Cousy thinks we should go all in on Hassan "Bill Russell" Whiteside

[Chris22]

I am not impressed with Whiteside.

He seems like a selfish knucklehead.

Go all in for Kawhi Leonard and draft a center.

[Rosco917]

I am not impressed with Whiteside.

He seems like a selfish knucklehead.

Go all in for Kawhi Leonard and draft a center.

I don't know if Cousy knows much about Hassan, other than what he has seen on the tube. He is a player we could use talent wise.

I would love to get Kawhi and WCS. I have a feeling Willie Cauley Stein will be a better pro than a college player. Being a real 7 feet with length is great, but when your extremely athletic to go along with it, with speed to guard out past the circle, grab steals, etc. it's a nice combination in the pro's.
He will find enough offense as years go by to increase his value.

[Beat LA]

Whiteside's slump continues.  He was -15 last night, bringing him to -56 over the last nine games he's played in.  He's also fallen outside of the top-60 in Real Plus Minus.  He's simply not making a positive impact on the court right now.

On January 26, opponents were only shooting 40.5% against Whiteside at the rim.  At that time, when asked what his goal was for the season, it was to "get my NBA2K rating up".  Today, his FG% allowed at the rim is 48.2%.  It stands to figure that over the last two months, Whiteside's FG% allowed at the rim is well over 50%.

The kid seems more about flashy blocks than fundamental defense.  The Heat would be smart to try to cash in his trade value in the off-season.

good bump roy, thanks and a tp. i have a quick question. is the "get my NBA2K rating up" a real quote from whiteside about his goals?

It is.  I saw it on a Heat site, and then saw a Vine of a it.  That said, I don't know if there was more to the quote in context.

The quote came after his incredible performance against the Chicago during an interview with Heather Cox, in which she asked him what had inspired his performance, lol. I thought it was pretty funny.

In regards to his +/-, you guys do know that he came off the bench last night against the Spurs, right?  It was also his first game in about a week, I think, due to sustaining an injury to his right hand that required stitches.  Just so you know.  Here's the clip, btw -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-WNx10vIHk

[Roy H.]

Whiteside's slump continues.  He was -15 last night, bringing him to -56 over the last nine games he's played in.  He's also fallen outside of the top-60 in Real Plus Minus.  He's simply not making a positive impact on the court right now.

On January 26, opponents were only shooting 40.5% against Whiteside at the rim.  At that time, when asked what his goal was for the season, it was to "get my NBA2K rating up".  Today, his FG% allowed at the rim is 48.2%.  It stands to figure that over the last two months, Whiteside's FG% allowed at the rim is well over 50%.

The kid seems more about flashy blocks than fundamental defense.  The Heat would be smart to try to cash in his trade value in the off-season.

Whiteside was another -46 over his past two games, bringing him to -102 over his past 11.

Whiteside just isn't contributing to wins, on a purported playoff team.  He's been the worst player on his team in +/- lately.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Whiteside's slump continues.  He was -15 last night, bringing him to -56 over the last nine games he's played in.  He's also fallen outside of the top-60 in Real Plus Minus.  He's simply not making a positive impact on the court right now.

On January 26, opponents were only shooting 40.5% against Whiteside at the rim.  At that time, when asked what his goal was for the season, it was to "get my NBA2K rating up".  Today, his FG% allowed at the rim is 48.2%.  It stands to figure that over the last two months, Whiteside's FG% allowed at the rim is well over 50%.

The kid seems more about flashy blocks than fundamental defense.  The Heat would be smart to try to cash in his trade value in the off-season.

Whiteside was another -46 over his past two games, bringing him to -102 over his past 11.

Whiteside just isn't contributing to wins, on a purported playoff team.  He's been the worst player on his team in +/- lately.

I'm starting to get you, Roy.

It's weird that he once again blocked a ton of shots, shot well and controlled the boards but was a -27 on the floor yesterday. Could it be that his teammates are just bad overall and he's being dragged. I mean he did have 3 TO's, but how do you become a -27 when you swatted a good amount of shots, shot well and rebounded well?

Don't get it....

Edit: Well, he didn't actually controlled the boards, but he rebounded well. Now that I think of it. Part of all the negative is probably because he got outrebounded by Drummond.

[ddb]

I would rather the Celtics go All-In for WCS over sacrificing picks and paying a heavy cost for Whiteside.  I think WCS is going to be better overall and for longer.  Cousy is losing his mind

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I would rather the Celtics go All-In for WCS over sacrificing picks and paying a heavy cost for Whiteside.  I think WCS is going to be better overall and for longer.  Cousy is losing his mind

Eh... Cauley-Stein won't provide any offense. Whiteside has a decent post game working for him and could improve. He's a hood finisher under the basket. And he's already shown he can protect the paint (although he's slumping at the moment as Roy said) and he's rebounding in a high rate.

If WCS is going to be that good, he'll be a steal in this draft.

[SHAQATTACK]

Cousy is off his meds...... If he really thins White thug is as good as Russell .

[byennie]

He's definitely been coming back to earth of late, but it's worth noting that he still has the best +/- on the season of any starter, by far. Could be that Miami is just getting killed lately, and the starters aren't particularly better than the 2nd unit in general.

http://www.82games.com/1415/1415MIA.HTM (and then dig in to individuals)

[Roy H.]

Whiteside is down to 95th in Real Plus Minus, which is an absolute free fall.  He's 17th among centers, including 19th defensively and 24th offensively.

Hassan Whiteside:  the king of empty stats.

[celticsclay]

Whiteside is down to 95th in Real Plus Minus, which is an absolute free fall.  He's 17th among centers, including 19th defensively and 24th offensively.

Hassan Whiteside:  the king of empty stats.

So how far do the heat make it Roy? Some are saying ECF

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Whiteside is down to 95th in Real Plus Minus, which is an absolute free fall.  He's 17th among centers, including 19th defensively and 24th offensively.

Hassan Whiteside:  the king of empty stats.

I will not let this go, not until I have fight left for this kid.

He's got better Defensive +/- than Andre Drummond, Robin Lopez, Omer Asik, Pau Gasol, Al Horford and Jonas Valanciunas.

That Opposing FG% at rim that you've been calling him out, yeah, 48 is a bit high, but not as high as Andre Drummond's (48.3), Anthony Davis' (48.3), Robin Lopez's (48.3), DeAndre Jordan's ( 48.8 ), Marc Gasol's (49.7), Tyson Chandler's (51.2), Joakim Noah ( 51.8 ). And those guys are well known good defenders for the Center spot.

And here's an article that says he leads the league in Possessed Blocks per 100 Chances.
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2015/04/08/hassan-whiteside-is-nbas-king-of-smart-blocks/

He's second in blocks in the league behind Anthony Davis. And that's playing 23 minutes a game (he leads the league per 48).

Again, he's 1st in the league in Rebounding rate too.

And yeah, it's convenient to also leave out the fact that his PER is at a 26.25, which is 6th in the league (that's better than LeBron James, Chris Paul and DeMarcus Cousins BTW).

I get it, the Russell comparison has been far-fetched now that (like the CBS article said) with a huge sample size, some of his production started to decline a bit. But calling him "king of empty stats" because he's got a low plus/minus? C'mon now.

Again, 23 minutes per game and he is in the 2nd in blocks ( and leader in percentage), top 15 in rebounds (and percentage) and top 10 in PER, and he's "empty stats"?

[Beat LA]

Whiteside is down to 95th in Real Plus Minus, which is an absolute free fall.  He's 17th among centers, including 19th defensively and 24th offensively.

Hassan Whiteside:  the king of empty stats.

I will not let this go, not until I have fight left for this kid.

He's got better Defensive +/- than Andre Drummond, Robin Lopez, Omer Asik, Pau Gasol, Al Horford and Jonas Valanciunas.

That Opposing FG% at rim that you've been calling him out, yeah, 48 is a bit high, but not as high as Andre Drummond's (48.3), Anthony Davis' (48.3), Robin Lopez's (48.3), DeAndre Jordan's ( 48.8 ), Marc Gasol's (49.7), Tyson Chandler's (51.2), Joakim Noah ( 51.8 ). And those guys are well known good defenders for the Center spot.

And here's an article that says he leads the league in Possessed Blocks per 100 Chances.
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2015/04/08/hassan-whiteside-is-nbas-king-of-smart-blocks/

He's second in blocks in the league behind Anthony Davis. And that's playing 23 minutes a game (he leads the league per 48).

Again, he's 1st in the league in Rebounding rate too.

And yeah, it's convenient to also leave out the fact that his PER is at a 26.25, which is 6th in the league (that's better than LeBron James, Chris Paul and DeMarcus Cousins BTW).

I get it, the Russell comparison has been far-fetched now that (like the CBS article said) with a huge sample size, some of his production started to decline a bit. But calling him "king of empty stats" because he's got a low plus/minus? C'mon now.

Again, 23 minutes per game and he is in the 2nd in blocks ( and leader in percentage), top 15 in rebounds (and percentage) and top 10 in PER, and he's "empty stats"?

Not to mention his 13 point, 12 rebound, 6 block effort in 31 minutes four days ago against Andre Drummond, who did outrebound Whiteside, but in terms of blocks, it's not even close.  I thought that he couldn't play against the big boys (sarcasm)? Sigh.

That aside, we missed our chance.  Actually, scratch that - Ainge missed his chance, and I wouldn't give up so many picks for him, even though I love the guy.  I'll tell you this - Miami might lose a top 10 pick this year, iirc, but getting Whiteside is at least a nice consolation prize.  Ugh.  This one is going to bug me for a long time. 

[Roy H.]

Whiteside is down to 95th in Real Plus Minus, which is an absolute free fall.  He's 17th among centers, including 19th defensively and 24th offensively.

Hassan Whiteside:  the king of empty stats.

I will not let this go, not until I have fight left for this kid.

He's got better Defensive +/- than Andre Drummond, Robin Lopez, Omer Asik, Pau Gasol, Al Horford and Jonas Valanciunas.

That Opposing FG% at rim that you've been calling him out, yeah, 48 is a bit high, but not as high as Andre Drummond's (48.3), Anthony Davis' (48.3), Robin Lopez's (48.3), DeAndre Jordan's ( 48.8 ), Marc Gasol's (49.7), Tyson Chandler's (51.2), Joakim Noah ( 51.8 ). And those guys are well known good defenders for the Center spot.

And here's an article that says he leads the league in Possessed Blocks per 100 Chances.
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2015/04/08/hassan-whiteside-is-nbas-king-of-smart-blocks/

He's second in blocks in the league behind Anthony Davis. And that's playing 23 minutes a game (he leads the league per 48).

Again, he's 1st in the league in Rebounding rate too.

And yeah, it's convenient to also leave out the fact that his PER is at a 26.25, which is 6th in the league (that's better than LeBron James, Chris Paul and DeMarcus Cousins BTW).

I get it, the Russell comparison has been far-fetched now that (like the CBS article said) with a huge sample size, some of his production started to decline a bit. But calling him "king of empty stats" because he's got a low plus/minus? C'mon now.

Again, 23 minutes per game and he is in the 2nd in blocks ( and leader in percentage), top 15 in rebounds (and percentage) and top 10 in PER, and he's "empty stats"?

Well, right, that's exactly what I'm saying.  His stats has been good, but empty.  The Heat are getting blown out when he's on the court, and he's more interested in going for blocks and grabbing rebounds than he is in sealing off his man defensively.

The RPM stats measure impact while on the court, and Whiteside's impact has been in absolute free fall.  Lack of impact = empty stats.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Whiteside is down to 95th in Real Plus Minus, which is an absolute free fall.  He's 17th among centers, including 19th defensively and 24th offensively.

Hassan Whiteside:  the king of empty stats.

I will not let this go, not until I have fight left for this kid.

He's got better Defensive +/- than Andre Drummond, Robin Lopez, Omer Asik, Pau Gasol, Al Horford and Jonas Valanciunas.

That Opposing FG% at rim that you've been calling him out, yeah, 48 is a bit high, but not as high as Andre Drummond's (48.3), Anthony Davis' (48.3), Robin Lopez's (48.3), DeAndre Jordan's ( 48.8 ), Marc Gasol's (49.7), Tyson Chandler's (51.2), Joakim Noah ( 51.8 ). And those guys are well known good defenders for the Center spot.

And here's an article that says he leads the league in Possessed Blocks per 100 Chances.
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2015/04/08/hassan-whiteside-is-nbas-king-of-smart-blocks/

He's second in blocks in the league behind Anthony Davis. And that's playing 23 minutes a game (he leads the league per 48).

Again, he's 1st in the league in Rebounding rate too.

And yeah, it's convenient to also leave out the fact that his PER is at a 26.25, which is 6th in the league (that's better than LeBron James, Chris Paul and DeMarcus Cousins BTW).

I get it, the Russell comparison has been far-fetched now that (like the CBS article said) with a huge sample size, some of his production started to decline a bit. But calling him "king of empty stats" because he's got a low plus/minus? C'mon now.

Again, 23 minutes per game and he is in the 2nd in blocks ( and leader in percentage), top 15 in rebounds (and percentage) and top 10 in PER, and he's "empty stats"?

Well, right, that's exactly what I'm saying.  His stats has been good, but empty.  The Heat are getting blown out when he's on the court, and he's more interested in going for blocks and grabbing rebounds than he is in sealing off his man defensively.

The RPM stats measure impact while on the court, and Whiteside's impact has been in absolute free fall.  Lack of impact = empty stats.

Cleveland shot them out of the gym, like jump shotted them out. I don't think you punish him from not being able to protect the rim from a cranky perimeter defense so at some point it shouldnt be just him. Maybe the blame as to why the Heat are getting blown out should also go to the perimeter guys as well? He's doing a decent job trying to protect the rim and not allowing teams to het offensive rebounds. He doesn't get a ton offense outside of occasional drop passes and offensive putbacks. He's doing his job, his teammates isn't. Yet somehow it sounds like he's the biggest reason the Heat are losing.

Speaking of, doesn't DMC produces yet his team can't win. Isn't that the same thing?