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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: johnk.grooms on January 07, 2018, 02:08:05 AM
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What if we traded Marcus Smart, Al Harford, the Lakers pick, and 3 other first round picks for AD, like our own in 2018 and the two highest of ours and the conditionals in 2019? I think both teams would seriously consider it. It gives the pelicans a good young player in smart, an all star, and the peices to build around in the future. For us, we get a starting lineup of next year of Irving, brown, Hayward, Tatum , and Davis. Our bench still includes Rozier, bathes, Morris, semi, and Theis. Why not?
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Giving up Horford would be terrible in terms of what prospective FA's would think of us, I think. It's also a lot of picks to give up for a somewhat injury prone guy in AD.
Hard to say no, but it would definitely have serious repercussions
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Both teams say no.
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What if we traded Marcus Smart, Al Harford, the Lakers pick, and 3 other first round picks for AD, like our own in 2018 and the two highest of ours and the conditionals in 2019? I think both teams would seriously consider it. It gives the pelicans a good young player in smart, an all star, and the peices to build around in the future. For us, we get a starting lineup of next year of Irving, brown, Hayward, Tatum , and Davis. Our bench still includes Rozier, bathes, Morris, semi, and Theis. Why not?
Is that you Billy King?
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There are just too many negatives to trade for AD. His cost is just too high.
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There are just too many negatives to trade for AD. His cost is just too high.
I’m thinking this more as well. Keep Horford and fingers crossed groom Ayton or Bagley maybe Bamba, but I really like Doncic too. Lol
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Hey another week and another AD trade thread. Pretty much clock work one of these will pop up weekly on here
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There are just too many negatives to trade for AD. His cost is just too high.
Agreed. Let another team overpay and gut their assets.
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What if we traded Marcus Smart, Al Harford, the Lakers pick, and 3 other first round picks for AD, like our own in 2018 and the two highest of ours and the conditionals in 2019? I think both teams would seriously consider it. It gives the pelicans a good young player in smart, an all star, and the peices to build around in the future. For us, we get a starting lineup of next year of Irving, brown, Hayward, Tatum , and Davis. Our bench still includes Rozier, bathes, Morris, semi, and Theis. Why not?
Is that you Billy King?
Harsh! 😉
To beat other teams offers we would probably have to give up Tatum/Brown or both. Plus the Lakers pick, plus Memphis/our own. The question is- does our big four with AD Trump GS, and is that a window of opportunity that you are comfortable with?
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The assumption that AD would want to play in Boston is an empty one.
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Danny will never include Tatum in a trade for AD.
Nor should he.
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Any Davis talks start with Tatum + Brown + Lakers pick.
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Any Davis talks start with Tatum + Brown + Lakers pick.
I like Davis, but Brown,Tatum and if that Lakers pick falls could be better going forward than Davis. Browns becoming a really good 3 and D guy who can really run the floor. Tatum is becoming a really good all around player at 19, and has shown the clutch gene. And there are some bigs that by the time Horford is done with his first contract they will be ready, and who better to teach them how to play the big position than Horford.
If it was Brown OR Tatum and LA pick then you consider it, but I think Tatum is becoming off limits even to Davis. Just the way the NBA is shaping, you win with wings and swings.
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Whoever trades Brown or Tatum does not know anything about basketball
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AD was a nice thought when we had picks, now that we see the potential in the players we drafted there is no need to trade for AD. Let’s role with our team for the next 5+ years (plus who we draft with the Lakers pick) and trade players when they start the decline to Brooklyn for more picks and just keep this going until Brad is 70.
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If we were to trade for AD, makes more sense to wait for a lot of reasons.
1. Wait until we have Hayward back to have a missing key piece to the roster to make a legitimate push against any team in the league.
2. The value of any trade chips we would likely include all seem to be trending upwards. Tatum is flirting with "untradeable" status. If he continues on his trajectory, wins ROY, it could get to a point where a player like Tatum would be almost enough to fetch any available superstar, IE Davis, without having to include mich more.
Brown is a little further behind "untradeable," and at the moment, speculative trade proposals are Tatum/Brown AND picks??? I would cringe to have to give up any two of Brown/Tatum/LA pick for AD. At this point in time a trade offer of Brown and LA pick is not enough for NO to say yes, but by the time the draft comes along, with some luck and actually locking in say the #4 pick to have an actual name attached to the pick, NO might have to consider this, knowing AD might eventually leave or request a trade. Then Tatum stays here.
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Any Davis talks start with Tatum + Brown + Lakers pick.
That may be how NOP starts the discussion but Danny shoots that down. No way he gives up a 19 year old budding star. Not gonna happen. Brown, picks, sure. But not Tatum. I wouldn’t do it. And believe Danny wouldn’t either.
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Tatum is the future.... he is not going anywhere. By the way, AD is not worth Tatum, Brown, and the Laker pick.
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Anything but Tatum.
But I imagine Tatum will need to be included. He alone should bring back most of the value in an AD trade.
Tatum + contract filler for AD seems right.
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No Tatum please.
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Let me ask this, how good would Jayson Tatum have to eventually become for the Celtics to regret a trade for Anthony Davis?
Special considerations: Davis' injury history, Davis' inability to help his team win consistently, Tatum's guaranteed to be a Celtic for at least 7.5 more years, but Davis would only be guaranteed to be a Celtic for 3.5
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Anthony Davis with a monster night performance. 48 points and 17 rebounds. Are we sure we don't want this guy?
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Anthony Davis with a monster night performance. 48 points and 17 rebounds. Are we sure we don't want this guy?
Of course we do. But he's also the best asset in the league. The ask would be huge, and it'd be tough to move Tatum or Brown with how great they've been so early on.
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Anthony Davis with a monster night performance. 48 points and 17 rebounds. Are we sure we don't want this guy?
Of course we do. But he's also the best asset in the league. The ask would be huge, and it'd be tough to move Tatum or Brown with how great they've been so early on.
I'd easily trade Brown in a package for Davis. Tatum is the guy to roll with in the long run!
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Anthony Davis with a monster night performance. 48 points and 17 rebounds. Are we sure we don't want this guy?
Of course we do. But he's also the best asset in the league. The ask would be huge, and it'd be tough to move Tatum or Brown with how great they've been so early on.
This. Everybody wants Davis and that includes New Orleans, who isn't going to give him up for less than a gross overpay. Maybe things change in a year or two is Davis becomes disgruntled and his free agency gets closer, but as of now, Davis isn't going anywhere. I mean, in addition to his 48 and 16 last night he had 4 steals and 3 blocks.
BTW, Cousins' stat line last night: 15 points, 16 rebounds, 5 assists, 7 steals, and 3 blocks! And I still don't want the guy.
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I would think Smart alone with some filler for salary reasons would be enough!! ;)
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Let's spank AD and his Pels tomorrow night!
Love AD, but
1.not at what he will cost and
2. The fact that he is SO injury prone (esp. regarding his left knee, which ended two of his seasons prematurely and caused him to miss games early this year) makes this too big of a gamble, irrespective of his perfect fit.
Trading for what AD will cost is putting too many of our eggs in one basket. If he gets injured(which he will, it's just the severity and frequency which are in question), much of Danny's great work will be undone.
Say NO to AD.
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Let me ask this, how good would Jayson Tatum have to eventually become for the Celtics to regret a trade for Anthony Davis?
Special considerations: Davis' injury history, Davis' inability to help his team win consistently, Tatum's guaranteed to be a Celtic for at least 7.5 more years, but Davis would only be guaranteed to be a Celtic for 3.5
Well, he would have become almost as good as AD himself, and I think he will be if not better.
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I would think Smart alone with some filler for salary reasons would be enough!! ;)
Maybe Smart, Jeff Green and a couple of seconds?
I know Jeff Green hasn't been on the team in years, but he was included in so many Celticsblog trade proposals when he was here that it just seems natural to throw him in.
Mike
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These Anthony Davis trade ideas are getting so tired and irrelevant. Dude is playing great for the Pels, and they are finally looking like a play-off team. Why on earth would they even think of trading him? Not gonna happen unless he makes a trade demand. Last I heard, that's not happening. Now if they suddenly went south, or he made such a demand, then we can start making trade proposals. But until then, why don't we all give it a rest, and enjoy what we have.
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In ESPN's "eight big trades we want to see..."
http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/22338799/best-2018-nba-deadline-trades-want-see
76ers get: Anthony Davis
Pelicans get: Amir Johnson, Dario Saric, Markelle Fultz, the Lakers' 2018 first-round pick (No. 1, or Nos. 6-30) or the King's 2019 first-round pick
A) I don't see why on Earth New Orleans would do that
B) I don't see how on Earth the Celtics couldn't beat it.
C) Still trying to figure out how ESPN thinks that there is a chance that NO would do that trade...
Mike
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In ESPN's "eight big trades we want to see..."
http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/22338799/best-2018-nba-deadline-trades-want-see
76ers get: Anthony Davis
Pelicans get: Amir Johnson, Dario Saric, Markelle Fultz, the Lakers' 2018 first-round pick (No. 1, or Nos. 6-30) or the King's 2019 first-round pick
A) I don't see why on Earth New Orleans would do that
B) I don't see how on Earth the Celtics couldn't beat it.
C) Still trying to figure out how ESPN thinks that there is a chance that NO would do that trade...
Mike
They don't get paid to make intelligent articles and broadcasting fantastic point of views with eye-catching dialogue, I'll tell you that.
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In ESPN's "eight big trades we want to see..."
http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/22338799/best-2018-nba-deadline-trades-want-see
76ers get: Anthony Davis
Pelicans get: Amir Johnson, Dario Saric, Markelle Fultz, the Lakers' 2018 first-round pick (No. 1, or Nos. 6-30) or the King's 2019 first-round pick
A) I don't see why on Earth New Orleans would do that
B) I don't see how on Earth the Celtics couldn't beat it.
C) Still trying to figure out how ESPN thinks that there is a chance that NO would do that trade...
Mike
Don't we own that pick?
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It isn't a terrible trade (Saric and Fultz are high level young players and Amir is expiring, plus that pick is going to be pretty good), but I can't see NO trading Davis without multiple draft picks and dumping some poor contracts. Philly though can easily sweeten that trade and still end up with a great team. I mean just adding Hill and sending back Booker makes it a lot more appealing for NO, but Philly has a lot of other picks, including their own this summer to add and a bunch of other young players like Holmes, Luwawu-Cabarrot, McConnell, Anderson, and Korkmaz they can add. They also have Bayless (who they could swap for Moore). Lots of potential options and a lot more flexibility than Boston can offer (since Boston doesn't have a lot of easily tradeable contracts to take back bad NO contracts).
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In ESPN's "eight big trades we want to see..."
http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/22338799/best-2018-nba-deadline-trades-want-see
76ers get: Anthony Davis
Pelicans get: Amir Johnson, Dario Saric, Markelle Fultz, the Lakers' 2018 first-round pick (No. 1, or Nos. 6-30) or the King's 2019 first-round pick
A) I don't see why on Earth New Orleans would do that
B) I don't see how on Earth the Celtics couldn't beat it.
C) Still trying to figure out how ESPN thinks that there is a chance that NO would do that trade...
Mike
Don't we own that pick?
nope. those are the reverse protections
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In ESPN's "eight big trades we want to see..."
http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/22338799/best-2018-nba-deadline-trades-want-see
76ers get: Anthony Davis
Pelicans get: Amir Johnson, Dario Saric, Markelle Fultz, the Lakers' 2018 first-round pick (No. 1, or Nos. 6-30) or the King's 2019 first-round pick
A) I don't see why on Earth New Orleans would do that
B) I don't see how on Earth the Celtics couldn't beat it.
C) Still trying to figure out how ESPN thinks that there is a chance that NO would do that trade...
Mike
Don't we own that pick?
We own the opposite of that pick.
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In ESPN's "eight big trades we want to see..."
http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/22338799/best-2018-nba-deadline-trades-want-see
76ers get: Anthony Davis
Pelicans get: Amir Johnson, Dario Saric, Markelle Fultz, the Lakers' 2018 first-round pick (No. 1, or Nos. 6-30) or the King's 2019 first-round pick
A) I don't see why on Earth New Orleans would do that
B) I don't see how on Earth the Celtics couldn't beat it.
C) Still trying to figure out how ESPN thinks that there is a chance that NO would do that trade...
Mike
Don't we own that pick?
We own the opposite of that pick.
So remind me, what are we getting if it doesn't convey?
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In ESPN's "eight big trades we want to see..."
http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/22338799/best-2018-nba-deadline-trades-want-see
76ers get: Anthony Davis
Pelicans get: Amir Johnson, Dario Saric, Markelle Fultz, the Lakers' 2018 first-round pick (No. 1, or Nos. 6-30) or the King's 2019 first-round pick
A) I don't see why on Earth New Orleans would do that
B) I don't see how on Earth the Celtics couldn't beat it.
C) Still trying to figure out how ESPN thinks that there is a chance that NO would do that trade...
Mike
Don't we own that pick?
We own the opposite of that pick.
So remind me, what are we getting if it doesn't convey?
Top 1 protected Kings 2019 1st, if Kings are #1 then C’s get Philly 2019 1st
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In ESPN's "eight big trades we want to see..."
http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/22338799/best-2018-nba-deadline-trades-want-see
76ers get: Anthony Davis
Pelicans get: Amir Johnson, Dario Saric, Markelle Fultz, the Lakers' 2018 first-round pick (No. 1, or Nos. 6-30) or the King's 2019 first-round pick
A) I don't see why on Earth New Orleans would do that
B) I don't see how on Earth the Celtics couldn't beat it.
C) Still trying to figure out how ESPN thinks that there is a chance that NO would do that trade...
Mike
Actually, I don't see why Philly would do that either. Davis isn't the best fit for them. Their three best players would be Simmons (who doesn't shoot from outside ten feet), Embiid (currently a bad three-point shooter) and Davis (a mediocre three-point shooter). Have fun running an offense with that spacing.
I think they'd be better off going after a wing who can open up the floor for them. Paul George and Klay Thompson come to mind.
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In ESPN's "eight big trades we want to see..."
http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/22338799/best-2018-nba-deadline-trades-want-see
76ers get: Anthony Davis
Pelicans get: Amir Johnson, Dario Saric, Markelle Fultz, the Lakers' 2018 first-round pick (No. 1, or Nos. 6-30) or the King's 2019 first-round pick
A) I don't see why on Earth New Orleans would do that
B) I don't see how on Earth the Celtics couldn't beat it.
C) Still trying to figure out how ESPN thinks that there is a chance that NO would do that trade...
Mike
Actually, I don't see why Philly would do that either. Davis isn't the best fit for them. Their three best players would be Simmons (who doesn't shoot from outside ten feet), Embiid (currently a bad three-point shooter) and Davis (a mediocre three-point shooter). Have fun running an offense with that spacing.
I think they'd be better off going after a wing who can open up the floor for them. Paul George and Klay Thompson come to mind.
I think they would be ok. Davis shoots at 34.4% and while Embiid is bad, he does shot a fair amount. Covington is good and Redick is great. I think they would be ok spacing the floor because only Simmons doesn't really shoot them at all (I mean they are basically just swapping Davis for Saric in the lineup, which is a drop in 3 point shooting, but not a huge drop).
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In ESPN's "eight big trades we want to see..."
http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/22338799/best-2018-nba-deadline-trades-want-see
76ers get: Anthony Davis
Pelicans get: Amir Johnson, Dario Saric, Markelle Fultz, the Lakers' 2018 first-round pick (No. 1, or Nos. 6-30) or the King's 2019 first-round pick
A) I don't see why on Earth New Orleans would do that
B) I don't see how on Earth the Celtics couldn't beat it.
C) Still trying to figure out how ESPN thinks that there is a chance that NO would do that trade...
Mike
Yeah that was nuts. Fultz is a total unknown. He might shake whatever is bothering him or he might be an all-time bust. Amir and Saric have very limited value. The only “sure” thing is a high pick.
A better Cs offer would be Jaylen (a very good young 2-way player who’s actually shown all-star potential), the Lakers/King’s pick (about at good as the Sixers’ pick offer) plus filler (what Philly is offering). Even that’s too little for Davis.