MVP race 2018/2019

[Moranis]

BTW Nick, the Lakers were 4-6 before they signed Tyson Chandler and have gone 13-4 since his signing.  Why isn't Chandler your MVP as there is a clear baseline for the win improvement when he joined the team?  Especially given all of the advanced metrics have him rated incredibly highly.

[nickagneta]

BTW Nick, the Lakers were 4-6 before they signed Tyson Chandler and have gone 13-4 since his signing.  Why isn't Chandler your MVP as there is a clear baseline for the win improvement when he joined the team?  Especially given all of the advanced metrics have him rated incredibly highly.

Yeah, and Giannis is having a season very similar to last year with basically the same team. What's different? Coach Budenholzer. Guess he must be the MVP.

Look, we can get as snarky with each other as we want but as I said earlier wins make a difference to me. You like another stat. Nothing wrong with either. I think both should be considered and more. And those stats are going to lean both ways. Lebron scores more and assists more. Giannis rebounds more. Lebron  and Giannis have the same win shares but Lebron has has those wins shares on a team with less wins but Giannis has a higher WS/48. I could go on and on. I think their PERs, eFG% and TS% are about equal. Giannis is a much better defender but Lebron's supporting cast sucks compared to Giannis' so gets less support.

I think it's close. But expectations were LA would get a low seed or be in the lottery, Milwaukee's was a top 3 team in their conference. When I weigh all these things, I like Lebron for MVP. You like Giannis. Cool. And I happen to think the Freak will win it though I find Lebron more deserving.

Strangely enough, looking at all the stats, it could be argued Steph Curry might be having a better than both Lebron and Giannis.

[Moranis]

BTW Nick, the Lakers were 4-6 before they signed Tyson Chandler and have gone 13-4 since his signing.  Why isn't Chandler your MVP as there is a clear baseline for the win improvement when he joined the team?  Especially given all of the advanced metrics have him rated incredibly highly.

Yeah, and Giannis is having a season very similar to last year with basically the same team. What's different? Coach Budenholzer. Guess he must be the MVP.

Look, we can get as snarky with each other as we want but as I said earlier wins make a difference to me. You like another stat. Nothing wrong with either. I think both should be considered and more. And those stats are going to lean both ways. Lebron scores more and assists more. Giannis rebounds more. Lebron  and Giannis have the same win shares but Lebron has has those wins shares on a team with less wins but Giannis has a higher WS/48. I could go on and on. I think their PERs, eFG% and TS% are about equal. Giannis is a much better defender but Lebron's supporting cast sucks compared to Giannis' so gets less support.

I think it's close. But expectations were LA would get a low seed or be in the lottery, Milwaukee's was a top 3 team in their conference. When I weigh all these things, I like Lebron for MVP. You like Giannis. Cool. And I happen to think the Freak will win it though I find Lebron more deserving.

Strangely enough, looking at all the stats, it could be argued Steph Curry might be having a better than both Lebron and Giannis.

Sure, but why you are attributing the wins to Lebron?  Why aren't you giving them to Chandler? The Lakers were a 40% win team before Chandler showed up.  They had the exact same roster and coaching staff, yet he shows up and they turn it around.  Why isn't he your MVP if wins are what matter, as you can clearly connect him showing up with the Lakers winning.  You can't do that with Lebron, both because they were 4-6 before Chandler, but also because Lebron wasn't the only addition to the Lakers this past summer.

And for the record, 4 of the Bucks top 8 for minutes were not on the Bucks last year. They aren't exactly the same team.

[GreenEnvy]

It’s early, but so far it’s Theis.

Undefeated as a starter. 133 ORtg, 87 DRtg.

Sheer dominance.

[nickagneta]

BTW Nick, the Lakers were 4-6 before they signed Tyson Chandler and have gone 13-4 since his signing.  Why isn't Chandler your MVP as there is a clear baseline for the win improvement when he joined the team?  Especially given all of the advanced metrics have him rated incredibly highly.

Yeah, and Giannis is having a season very similar to last year with basically the same team. What's different? Coach Budenholzer. Guess he must be the MVP.

Look, we can get as snarky with each other as we want but as I said earlier wins make a difference to me. You like another stat. Nothing wrong with either. I think both should be considered and more. And those stats are going to lean both ways. Lebron scores more and assists more. Giannis rebounds more. Lebron  and Giannis have the same win shares but Lebron has has those wins shares on a team with less wins but Giannis has a higher WS/48. I could go on and on. I think their PERs, eFG% and TS% are about equal. Giannis is a much better defender but Lebron's supporting cast sucks compared to Giannis' so gets less support.

I think it's close. But expectations were LA would get a low seed or be in the lottery, Milwaukee's was a top 3 team in their conference. When I weigh all these things, I like Lebron for MVP. You like Giannis. Cool. And I happen to think the Freak will win it though I find Lebron more deserving.

Strangely enough, looking at all the stats, it could be argued Steph Curry might be having a better than both Lebron and Giannis.

Sure, but why you are attributing the wins to Lebron?  Why aren't you giving them to Chandler? The Lakers were a 40% win team before Chandler showed up.  They had the exact same roster and coaching staff, yet he shows up and they turn it around.  Why isn't he your MVP if wins are what matter, as you can clearly connect him showing up with the Lakers winning.  You can't do that with Lebron, both because they were 4-6 before Chandler, but also because Lebron wasn't the only addition to the Lakers this past summer.

And for the record, 4 of the Bucks top 8 for minutes were not on the Bucks last year. They aren't exactly the same team.

Okay. Stay snarky. I tried to throw out an olive branch saying both views were cool. Have a great day.