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Title: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on January 30, 2018, 09:20:53 AM
You can discuss and comment about the mock trade deadline on this thread.

Make any announcements or trade rumors on

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=95160.msg2453163#new

Mods, please put both in the Fantasy section so we aren't taking up so much real estate.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: shake603 on January 30, 2018, 09:43:14 AM
Thank you for making this.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on January 30, 2018, 10:01:02 AM
Great trade by Atlanta. They pick up a first round pick for an injury-prone center and an expiring. Smart move.

Wizards are rebuilding on the fly. Dedmon can back up Gobert and Belli gives much needed shooting.

They still need another piece on the wing.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: gouki88 on January 30, 2018, 10:54:20 AM
Moving Gortat was a priority, as he had been feuding with Wall and likely wouldn’t like being benched behind Gobert.

Think it’s a mutually beneficial deal for the two teams involved
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on January 30, 2018, 11:07:10 AM
Moving Gortat was a priority, as he had been feuding with Wall and likely wouldn’t like being benched behind Gobert.

Think it’s a mutually beneficial deal for the two teams involved

Uh-oh. In real life, John Wall is out for 2 months with a knee procedure. Hopefully Gobert can stay healthy, but who is running the offense for Washington now?

Can they still make the playoffs?
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: gouki88 on January 30, 2018, 11:12:52 AM
Moving Gortat was a priority, as he had been feuding with Wall and likely wouldn’t like being benched behind Gobert.

Think it’s a mutually beneficial deal for the two teams involved

Uh-oh. In real life, John Wall is out for 2 months with a knee procedure. Hopefully Gobert can stay healthy, but who is running the offense for Washington now?

Can they still make the playoffs?
Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.N it.

 :'(
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: shake603 on January 30, 2018, 11:21:16 AM
Moving Gortat was a priority, as he had been feuding with Wall and likely wouldn’t like being benched behind Gobert.

Think it’s a mutually beneficial deal for the two teams involved

Uh-oh. In real life, John Wall is out for 2 months with a knee procedure. Hopefully Gobert can stay healthy, but who is running the offense for Washington now?

Can they still make the playoffs?

I'm a big fan of Frazier, and Mack has actually played better than normal lately. I'd say they're fine to make the playoffs for sure. Other middling teams would have to make moves for me to get nervous if I were them.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on January 30, 2018, 11:40:29 AM
My Jazz team is designed to compete as Mitchell grows into his game. We believe in doubling down -- that he and Beal can be one of the most dynamic and athletic guard combos in the game. They can both shoot, drive, defend, and pass. We may have some offensive struggles as they develop their passing more, but long-term, we believe this team can be elite. Ingles distributing abilities will help us as well.

We wanted to fill out our roster with veterans who may have some room to grow. We plan to play two big men together most of the time, but we have a lot of flexibility as well. We think both Dieng and Zeller have room to grow as players, and we think both can stretch the floor out to the 3 point line with more reps. Williams can play some 4 as well -- he is the best 3 point shooter at the 4 this year. Mahinmi and Udoh will be good rotation players for us to defend on the perimeter and inside.

We are also really excited about the long-term potential of Justin Patton and his growth next to two dynamic guards.

Ultimately, it was rebuild time for us. We think we can compete in the playoffs with this team and we are excited to see the development of these players over the next few years. At that point, we will reevaluate how to build around these players.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: action781 on January 30, 2018, 12:55:16 PM
Breaking :

The Washington Wizards have traded Marcin Gortat and a 2019 first round draft pick to Atlanta for Marco Belinelli and Dewayne Dedmon.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y6veztmv
Great deal for both teams.  Well done.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: action781 on January 30, 2018, 01:01:04 PM
Charlotte has reached an agreement with Utah on the following trade:

Charlotte is trading Marvin Williams and Cody Zeller to Utah for Ricky Rubio, Thabo Sefolosha, and Tony Bradley. 

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yb2cuch3

Charlotte makes the move to get under the tax this year, eliminate some long term salary and pick up some much needed defense on its bench with the acquisitions of Rubio and Sefolosha.  Charlotte is also happy to add a recent 1st round draft pick center project for development.  Charlotte has an open roster spot so it doesn't need to waive anyone in the 3 for 2 trade. 

The Hornets want to thank Marvin and Cody for their years of service.  They have been nothing but professional and we wish them well with the Jazz. 

Charlotte is still looking to make moves to continue to reshape its roster.

Was Charlotte actually above the tax before this trade?  I have them at $117.3 million with the tax threshold at $119.2 mil?
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: Moranis on January 30, 2018, 02:01:36 PM
Charlotte has reached an agreement with Utah on the following trade:

Charlotte is trading Marvin Williams and Cody Zeller to Utah for Ricky Rubio, Thabo Sefolosha, and Tony Bradley. 

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yb2cuch3

Charlotte makes the move to get under the tax this year, eliminate some long term salary and pick up some much needed defense on its bench with the acquisitions of Rubio and Sefolosha.  Charlotte is also happy to add a recent 1st round draft pick center project for development.  Charlotte has an open roster spot so it doesn't need to waive anyone in the 3 for 2 trade. 

The Hornets want to thank Marvin and Cody for their years of service.  They have been nothing but professional and we wish them well with the Jazz. 

Charlotte is still looking to make moves to continue to reshape its roster.

Was Charlotte actually above the tax before this trade?  I have them at $117.3 million with the tax threshold at $119.2 mil?
ESPN had them above it, but either way I'm fine with the trade as it was more about long term salary reduction than this year.  Besides, the second trade I made put me way under this year anyway.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: RodyTur10 on January 30, 2018, 03:15:02 PM
Atlanta is stockpiling assets. Good for them, but I'm not sure that weak of a team can keep playing in the NBA.

Maybe the commissioner should degrade the Hawks to the D-League for this :).


Edit: The G-league I meant. Strange to see the name G-League.

In the Netherlands we also have G-Leagues in various sports, but there it stands for 'G(ehandicapten)-competitie', which means: competition for the disabled.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on January 30, 2018, 03:19:15 PM
Love the recent trade for Hawks. Schroeder is one of the more overrated players in the NBA -- and quite possibly the NBA's worst defensive point guard, regardless of his measurables and athelticism.

Quintessential type of trade for the Knicks. Although they got out of Noah (a previous mistake), they aren't going anywhere with Schroeder, and now their cupboard of assets is bare.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: Phantom255x on January 30, 2018, 04:14:39 PM
Love the recent trade for Hawks. Schroeder is one of the more overrated players in the NBA -- and quite possibly the NBA's worst defensive point guard, regardless of his measurables and athelticism.

Quintessential type of trade for the Knicks. Although they got out of Noah (a previous mistake), they aren't going anywhere with Schroeder, and now their cupboard of assets is bare.

To be honest, there was never going to be a perfect solution with Noah and the Knicks, and the added fued between him and the coach certainly didn't help. Phil Jackson made a complete mess of the Knicks as is.

Shroder isn't elite but can still contribute.

I asked some of my Knicks friends here in Uni and they were alright with it.

They prefer a certain other PG available in the trade market but he's recently been dealt and is likely staying on that new team long term so..

Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: action781 on January 30, 2018, 04:17:23 PM
Love the recent trade for Hawks. Schroeder is one of the more overrated players in the NBA -- and quite possibly the NBA's worst defensive point guard, regardless of his measurables and athelticism.

Quintessential type of trade for the Knicks. Although they got out of Noah (a previous mistake), they aren't going anywhere with Schroeder, and now their cupboard of assets is bare.

If NYK doesn't make the playoffs this year (more a likelihood than a stretch), this trade could be disastrous.  Far too risky for my liking.  Great trade for Atlanta.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: saltlover on January 30, 2018, 05:41:28 PM
Moving this conversation here and contributing:

@rick_bonnell - 0m ago - I'm hearing @Hornets are still very active in the trade market and aren't sold on keeping both Teague and Rubio.  They would like to move at least 1 for a younger PG prospect (or a 1st).  They are also still trying to move MKG and Howard as well, and have received some interest in both.

We can't trade a player we acquired from another team

5. You cannot trade a player you acquired during this mock trade deadline. If you don't want him, you better work a 3-team deal.
Yeah I see that now.  I don't get that rule at all.  And actual teams do that all the time.  Requiring it to be a 3 or 4 team trade allows for trades to fall through you would otherwise do when you could just work a trade out later.  I don't see why I can't trade a player I acquired as long as the real rules are followed, but if those are the weird rules those are the weird rules and I'm stuck with 2 veteran PG's for some strange reason.

It's not at all common for teams to acquire a player and then trade him again the same week during the regular season.  It takes too much time with physicals and what-not for such things to occur.  The only time I can remember such a turnaround was with Austin Rivers, and I'd be very surprised if a physical weren't waived on at least one end of that transaction, if not both (I'd be highly surprised if Doc asked for a physical).  In the offseason you do see it with non-guaranteed contracts -- but again, that's because the contract isn't guaranteed and all sides of the trade are purely being performed for cap manipulation and draft pick purposes (Luke Ridnour being the most famous example).
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: tazzmaniac on January 30, 2018, 06:07:08 PM
Breaking :

The Washington Wizards have traded Marcin Gortat and a 2019 first round draft pick to Atlanta for Marco Belinelli and Dewayne Dedmon.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y6veztmv
Great deal for both teams.  Well done.
I see no mention of protection on that pick.  No way the Wizards make that trade without lottery protection.  Even if it stays at #19 that's a lot to give up to move Gortat's reasonable contract.  I'd rate it A for Atlanta and D for Washington. 
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: tazzmaniac on January 30, 2018, 06:19:15 PM
Love the recent trade for Hawks. Schroeder is one of the more overrated players in the NBA -- and quite possibly the NBA's worst defensive point guard, regardless of his measurables and athelticism.

Quintessential type of trade for the Knicks. Although they got out of Noah (a previous mistake), they aren't going anywhere with Schroeder, and now their cupboard of assets is bare.

If NYK doesn't make the playoffs this year (more a likelihood than a stretch), this trade could be disastrous.  Far too risky for my liking.  Great trade for Atlanta.
So Atlanta has 2 unprotected 1st in 2018 now and they've helped their tank a bit.  Making good use of their cap space.  Really nice.  Almost Hinkiesque.  Just need to acquire a bunch of 2nd rounders. 

Edit:  Correction Wiz unprotected is 2019.  So an extra 1st in 2018, 2019 and probably 2020.  That's how to do a rebuild. 
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: RodyTur10 on January 30, 2018, 06:26:48 PM
Love the recent trade for Hawks. Schroeder is one of the more overrated players in the NBA -- and quite possibly the NBA's worst defensive point guard, regardless of his measurables and athelticism.

Quintessential type of trade for the Knicks. Although they got out of Noah (a previous mistake), they aren't going anywhere with Schroeder, and now their cupboard of assets is bare.

If NYK doesn't make the playoffs this year (more a likelihood than a stretch), this trade could be disastrous.  Far too risky for my liking.  Great trade for Atlanta.
So Atlanta has 3 unprotected 1st in 2018 now and they've helped their tank a bit.  Making good use of their cap space.  Really nice.  Almost Hinkiesque.  Just need to acquire a bunch of 2nd rounders.

Not the place to discuss it here (and discussions have been done in lengths about the 76ers), but Hinkie initially put that team in an amazing position.
 
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: gouki88 on January 30, 2018, 06:37:08 PM
Gortat had been causing (very real) locker room issues in Washington, so getting rid of him was crucial. In addition to that, Washington aims to make another move or two to shore up it's position as a top East team, so the pick will likely not be top 20 in 2019.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: Phantom255x on January 30, 2018, 06:43:54 PM
Gortat had been causing (very real) locker room issues in Washington, so getting rid of him was crucial. In addition to that, Washington aims to make another move or two to shore up it's position as a top East team, so the pick will likely not be top 20 in 2019.

Not at all criticizing the trade (it was solid for both sides, well done), but it's funny how many think Gortat is overrated and now kind of garbage/old, BUT against the C's he seems to look like Prime Shaq  :laugh:
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: Phantom255x on January 30, 2018, 06:49:57 PM
Love the recent trade for Hawks. Schroeder is one of the more overrated players in the NBA -- and quite possibly the NBA's worst defensive point guard, regardless of his measurables and athelticism.

Quintessential type of trade for the Knicks. Although they got out of Noah (a previous mistake), they aren't going anywhere with Schroeder, and now their cupboard of assets is bare.

If NYK doesn't make the playoffs this year (more a likelihood than a stretch), this trade could be disastrous.  Far too risky for my liking.  Great trade for Atlanta.

It may be risky, but I also think with Wall out for a few months and Kemba getting traded, the Knicks have a decent shot at making the playoffs as a 6-8 seed, with a lot of young pieces as well going forward (including the newly acquired, Randle).

But I mean, this is a mock trade deadline (mock world), so who knows  :laugh:

That said, it does seem like the Knicks want to get rid of Noah and they are tired not only of his contract, but his attitude lol. Getting rid of him was never going to be easy.

Good move for ATL, not the sexiest move for NYK but understandably so.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: gouki88 on January 30, 2018, 06:51:09 PM
Gortat had been causing (very real) locker room issues in Washington, so getting rid of him was crucial. In addition to that, Washington aims to make another move or two to shore up it's position as a top East team, so the pick will likely not be top 20 in 2019.

Not at all criticizing the trade (it was solid for both sides, well done), but it's funny how many think Gortat is overrated and now kind of garbage/old, BUT against the C's he seems to look like Prime Shaq  :laugh:
Boston seems to make Robin Lopez turn into Ewing and Tyler Johnson becomes Kobe. Very weird
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: saltlover on January 30, 2018, 06:51:18 PM
Gortat had been causing (very real) locker room issues in Washington, so getting rid of him was crucial. In addition to that, Washington aims to make another move or two to shore up it's position as a top East team, so the pick will likely not be top 20 in 2019.

Not at all criticizing the trade (it was solid for both sides, well done), but it's funny how many think Gortat is overrated and now kind of garbage/old, BUT against the C's he seems to look like Prime Shaq  :laugh:

He’s played very well at times this year, but he’s also admitted to playing for stats, has openly mused about being on another team, and is generally seen in DC as the number one problem in their locker room.  In the real world, I would not be remotely surprised to see him traded for a 2019 1st by the deadline.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: Phantom255x on January 30, 2018, 06:52:33 PM
Gortat had been causing (very real) locker room issues in Washington, so getting rid of him was crucial. In addition to that, Washington aims to make another move or two to shore up it's position as a top East team, so the pick will likely not be top 20 in 2019.

Not at all criticizing the trade (it was solid for both sides, well done), but it's funny how many think Gortat is overrated and now kind of garbage/old, BUT against the C's he seems to look like Prime Shaq  :laugh:

He’s played very well at times this year, but he’s also admitted to playing for stats, has openly mused about being on another team, and is generally seen in DC as the number one problem in their locker room.  In the real world, I would not be remotely surprised to see him traded for a 2019 1st by the deadline.

Yeah, makes sense.

He does commit a ton of illegal screens against us that never seem to get called, so that plays a part too.  ::)
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: Phantom255x on January 30, 2018, 06:52:56 PM
Gortat had been causing (very real) locker room issues in Washington, so getting rid of him was crucial. In addition to that, Washington aims to make another move or two to shore up it's position as a top East team, so the pick will likely not be top 20 in 2019.

Not at all criticizing the trade (it was solid for both sides, well done), but it's funny how many think Gortat is overrated and now kind of garbage/old, BUT against the C's he seems to look like Prime Shaq  :laugh:
Boston seems to make Robin Lopez turn into Ewing and Tyler Johnson becomes Kobe. Very weird

Exactly. That's why I loved the signing of Baynes, and the emergence of Theis helps now a ton.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: Big333223 on January 30, 2018, 07:21:38 PM
Gortat had been causing (very real) locker room issues in Washington, so getting rid of him was crucial. In addition to that, Washington aims to make another move or two to shore up it's position as a top East team, so the pick will likely not be top 20 in 2019.

Not at all criticizing the trade (it was solid for both sides, well done), but it's funny how many think Gortat is overrated and now kind of garbage/old, BUT against the C's he seems to look like Prime Shaq  :laugh:

He’s played very well at times this year, but he’s also admitted to playing for stats, has openly mused about being on another team, and is generally seen in DC as the number one problem in their locker room.  In the real world, I would not be remotely surprised to see him traded for a 2019 1st by the deadline.
Is there a team that's going to give up a 1st for him?
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: saltlover on January 30, 2018, 07:36:37 PM
Gortat had been causing (very real) locker room issues in Washington, so getting rid of him was crucial. In addition to that, Washington aims to make another move or two to shore up it's position as a top East team, so the pick will likely not be top 20 in 2019.

Not at all criticizing the trade (it was solid for both sides, well done), but it's funny how many think Gortat is overrated and now kind of garbage/old, BUT against the C's he seems to look like Prime Shaq  :laugh:

He’s played very well at times this year, but he’s also admitted to playing for stats, has openly mused about being on another team, and is generally seen in DC as the number one problem in their locker room.  In the real world, I would not be remotely surprised to see him traded for a 2019 1st by the deadline.
Is there a team that's going to give up a 1st for him?

No, I mean with a 1st to another team, as in this trade.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: ChillyWilly on January 30, 2018, 08:31:34 PM
Lots of activity early this trade deadline but my phone has stopped ringing.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: tazzmaniac on January 30, 2018, 08:39:30 PM
Gortat had been causing (very real) locker room issues in Washington, so getting rid of him was crucial. In addition to that, Washington aims to make another move or two to shore up it's position as a top East team, so the pick will likely not be top 20 in 2019.

Not at all criticizing the trade (it was solid for both sides, well done), but it's funny how many think Gortat is overrated and now kind of garbage/old, BUT against the C's he seems to look like Prime Shaq  :laugh:

He’s played very well at times this year, but he’s also admitted to playing for stats, has openly mused about being on another team, and is generally seen in DC as the number one problem in their locker room.  In the real world, I would not be remotely surprised to see him traded for a 2019 1st by the deadline.
Is there a team that's going to give up a 1st for him?

No, I mean with a 1st to another team, as in this trade.
I wouldn't waste a 1st to trade him now.  He'll be an expiring contract at 13.5M this offseason and shouldn't be hard to move since he's still fairly productive. 
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: saltlover on January 30, 2018, 10:02:54 PM
Gortat had been causing (very real) locker room issues in Washington, so getting rid of him was crucial. In addition to that, Washington aims to make another move or two to shore up it's position as a top East team, so the pick will likely not be top 20 in 2019.

Not at all criticizing the trade (it was solid for both sides, well done), but it's funny how many think Gortat is overrated and now kind of garbage/old, BUT against the C's he seems to look like Prime Shaq  :laugh:

He’s played very well at times this year, but he’s also admitted to playing for stats, has openly mused about being on another team, and is generally seen in DC as the number one problem in their locker room.  In the real world, I would not be remotely surprised to see him traded for a 2019 1st by the deadline.
Is there a team that's going to give up a 1st for him?

No, I mean with a 1st to another team, as in this trade.
I wouldn't waste a 1st to trade him now.  He'll be an expiring contract at 13.5M this offseason and shouldn't be hard to move since he's still fairly productive.

I watch a lot of Wizards games (live in DC).  He’s a huge defensive liability.  The whole team plays inconsistently on that end, but even when they’re locked in as a group he is still terrible.  Gets bullied by the guys who like the post, can’t defensive rebound, can’t protect the rim when the perimeter defense breaks down, can’t switch, and can’t cover bigs on the perimeter.

And his teammates really don’t like him, and he’s upset that Mahinmi makes more to be the backup.  It’s pretty toxic.  If the Wizards were covered like the Cavs, it would be al you’d hear about.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: Bucketgetter on January 31, 2018, 02:00:29 AM
Minnesota Timberwolves team statement -

The Wolves organization would like to thank Wiggins, Muhammad, and Teague for their contributions to the team. Wiggins and Muhammad have helped build this team from worst in the league to playoff contender, and Teague has come right in and provided veteran leadership. We would also like to thank the Hornets GM for a great negotiation as well.

That being said, we feel like we couldn’t pass on the possibility of upgrading our roster while getting a potentially very valuable pick in the process. Kemba Walker is an all star caliber point guard, who we feel like meshes perfectly with this roster. Batum should benefit immensely from the extra help on the court and we think he will return to his previous form in a more limited role. Graham provides depth on the wing, and getting a first round pick from a rebuilding team was very important.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: tazzmaniac on January 31, 2018, 04:34:53 AM
Gortat had been causing (very real) locker room issues in Washington, so getting rid of him was crucial. In addition to that, Washington aims to make another move or two to shore up it's position as a top East team, so the pick will likely not be top 20 in 2019.

Not at all criticizing the trade (it was solid for both sides, well done), but it's funny how many think Gortat is overrated and now kind of garbage/old, BUT against the C's he seems to look like Prime Shaq  :laugh:

He’s played very well at times this year, but he’s also admitted to playing for stats, has openly mused about being on another team, and is generally seen in DC as the number one problem in their locker room.  In the real world, I would not be remotely surprised to see him traded for a 2019 1st by the deadline.
Is there a team that's going to give up a 1st for him?

No, I mean with a 1st to another team, as in this trade.
I wouldn't waste a 1st to trade him now.  He'll be an expiring contract at 13.5M this offseason and shouldn't be hard to move since he's still fairly productive.

I watch a lot of Wizards games (live in DC).  He’s a huge defensive liability.  The whole team plays inconsistently on that end, but even when they’re locked in as a group he is still terrible.  Gets bullied by the guys who like the post, can’t defensive rebound, can’t protect the rim when the perimeter defense breaks down, can’t switch, and can’t cover bigs on the perimeter.

And his teammates really don’t like him, and he’s upset that Mahinmi makes more to be the backup.  It’s pretty toxic.  If the Wizards were covered like the Cavs, it would be al you’d hear about.
He's still better than Mahinmi. Every Wizards fan should be upset that Mahinmi makes more than Gortat.  Yet another stupid GM move. 
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: Moranis on January 31, 2018, 06:12:41 AM
Moving this conversation here and contributing:

@rick_bonnell - 0m ago - I'm hearing @Hornets are still very active in the trade market and aren't sold on keeping both Teague and Rubio.  They would like to move at least 1 for a younger PG prospect (or a 1st).  They are also still trying to move MKG and Howard as well, and have received some interest in both.

We can't trade a player we acquired from another team

5. You cannot trade a player you acquired during this mock trade deadline. If you don't want him, you better work a 3-team deal.
Yeah I see that now.  I don't get that rule at all.  And actual teams do that all the time.  Requiring it to be a 3 or 4 team trade allows for trades to fall through you would otherwise do when you could just work a trade out later.  I don't see why I can't trade a player I acquired as long as the real rules are followed, but if those are the weird rules those are the weird rules and I'm stuck with 2 veteran PG's for some strange reason.

It's not at all common for teams to acquire a player and then trade him again the same week during the regular season.  It takes too much time with physicals and what-not for such things to occur.  The only time I can remember such a turnaround was with Austin Rivers, and I'd be very surprised if a physical weren't waived on at least one end of that transaction, if not both (I'd be highly surprised if Doc asked for a physical).  In the offseason you do see it with non-guaranteed contracts -- but again, that's because the contract isn't guaranteed and all sides of the trade are purely being performed for cap manipulation and draft pick purposes (Luke Ridnour being the most famous example).
it isn't a problem. Rasheed was the guy I was specifically thinking of (and I think there have been others) but I looked and it was like 10 days between the trade.  I just forgot the rule and am more upset with myself as I would have tried to make 1 a 3 teamer as I wouldn't have ended with both Rubio and Teague
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: RodyTur10 on January 31, 2018, 08:04:04 AM
Moving this conversation here and contributing:

@rick_bonnell - 0m ago - I'm hearing @Hornets are still very active in the trade market and aren't sold on keeping both Teague and Rubio.  They would like to move at least 1 for a younger PG prospect (or a 1st).  They are also still trying to move MKG and Howard as well, and have received some interest in both.

We can't trade a player we acquired from another team

5. You cannot trade a player you acquired during this mock trade deadline. If you don't want him, you better work a 3-team deal.
Yeah I see that now.  I don't get that rule at all.  And actual teams do that all the time.  Requiring it to be a 3 or 4 team trade allows for trades to fall through you would otherwise do when you could just work a trade out later.  I don't see why I can't trade a player I acquired as long as the real rules are followed, but if those are the weird rules those are the weird rules and I'm stuck with 2 veteran PG's for some strange reason.

It's not at all common for teams to acquire a player and then trade him again the same week during the regular season.  It takes too much time with physicals and what-not for such things to occur.  The only time I can remember such a turnaround was with Austin Rivers, and I'd be very surprised if a physical weren't waived on at least one end of that transaction, if not both (I'd be highly surprised if Doc asked for a physical).  In the offseason you do see it with non-guaranteed contracts -- but again, that's because the contract isn't guaranteed and all sides of the trade are purely being performed for cap manipulation and draft pick purposes (Luke Ridnour being the most famous example).
it isn't a problem. Rasheed was the guy I was specifically thinking of (and I think there have been others) but I looked and it was like 10 days between the trade.  I just forgot the rule and am more upset with myself as I would have tried to make 1 a 3 teamer as I wouldn't have ended with both Rubio and Teague

TP for being a good sport.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: shake603 on January 31, 2018, 08:01:00 PM
Super interesting move by the group that just posted.
I can't help but think the Bucks made out like bandits but maybe i'm underestimating how much Kawhi's stock as lowered since he's been labeled injury prone.


Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: Bucketgetter on January 31, 2018, 08:14:13 PM
Not only did the Bucks turn a terrible fit into a great one, but they got great value too when you should have to overpay for a star. Get yourself a Center and the Bucks would be the favorites out of the east. Well done Bucks GM, my favorite move of the mock deadline so far!
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: A Future of Stevens on January 31, 2018, 09:33:37 PM
Not only did the Bucks turn a terrible fit into a great one, but they got great value too when you should have to overpay for a star. Get yourself a Center and the Bucks would be the favorites out of the east. Well done Bucks GM, my favorite move of the mock deadline so far!

Thanks. I'd like to say it was easy, but orchestrating some aspects of that took some time.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: Big333223 on February 01, 2018, 09:52:12 AM
Gortat had been causing (very real) locker room issues in Washington, so getting rid of him was crucial. In addition to that, Washington aims to make another move or two to shore up it's position as a top East team, so the pick will likely not be top 20 in 2019.

Not at all criticizing the trade (it was solid for both sides, well done), but it's funny how many think Gortat is overrated and now kind of garbage/old, BUT against the C's he seems to look like Prime Shaq  :laugh:

He’s played very well at times this year, but he’s also admitted to playing for stats, has openly mused about being on another team, and is generally seen in DC as the number one problem in their locker room.  In the real world, I would not be remotely surprised to see him traded for a 2019 1st by the deadline.
Is there a team that's going to give up a 1st for him?

No, I mean with a 1st to another team, as in this trade.

Ah, I see. I was confused.

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The Dallas Mavericks have traded Nerlens Noel to the Boston Celtics in exchange for Abdel Nader, Guerschon Yabusele, and the Boston Celtics 2018 first round pick, league sources tell ESPN.

Can we talk about this deal? It's a terrible deal for the Celtics. 2 prospects and a 1st rounder for a guy who couldn't get minutes on the Mavericks? Add into that, he'll be a free agent and the C's will be handicapped with what they can resign him at, meaning he's probably a rental. Unless he suddenly becomes a totally different defensive played overnight, the Celtics might have given up 3 prospects for nothing. 
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on February 01, 2018, 10:12:30 AM
Gortat had been causing (very real) locker room issues in Washington, so getting rid of him was crucial. In addition to that, Washington aims to make another move or two to shore up it's position as a top East team, so the pick will likely not be top 20 in 2019.

Not at all criticizing the trade (it was solid for both sides, well done), but it's funny how many think Gortat is overrated and now kind of garbage/old, BUT against the C's he seems to look like Prime Shaq  :laugh:

He’s played very well at times this year, but he’s also admitted to playing for stats, has openly mused about being on another team, and is generally seen in DC as the number one problem in their locker room.  In the real world, I would not be remotely surprised to see him traded for a 2019 1st by the deadline.
Is there a team that's going to give up a 1st for him?

No, I mean with a 1st to another team, as in this trade.

Ah, I see. I was confused.

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The Dallas Mavericks have traded Nerlens Noel to the Boston Celtics in exchange for Abdel Nader, Guerschon Yabusele, and the Boston Celtics 2018 first round pick, league sources tell ESPN.

Can we talk about this deal? It's a terrible deal for the Celtics. 2 prospects and a 1st rounder for a guy who couldn't get minutes on the Mavericks? Add into that, he'll be a free agent and the C's will be handicapped with what they can resign him at, meaning he's probably a rental. Unless he suddenly becomes a totally different defensive played overnight, the Celtics might have given up 3 prospects for nothing.

Absolutely agree. I wonder if Yabu will be a better player than Noel.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: Birdman on February 01, 2018, 12:07:17 PM
Nadel will never see many minutes with this Celtics team..Yasbule may never be more than a end of bench player..Celtics 1st will be around 28th or 29th..how many picks that late ever do any good..if u hold onto PROSPECTS and late picks to see if they develop or not, u won't go far
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: action781 on February 01, 2018, 12:21:59 PM
When is our final deadline?  The trade deadline?
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: saltlover on February 01, 2018, 12:59:29 PM
When is our final deadline?  The trade deadline?

I have this question as well.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: saltlover on February 01, 2018, 01:01:55 PM
Nadel will never see many minutes with this Celtics team..Yasbule may never be more than a end of bench player..Celtics 1st will be around 28th or 29th..how many picks that late ever do any good..if u hold onto PROSPECTS and late picks to see if they develop or not, u won't go far

And Noel either plays well for two months in Boston and gets a bigger contract elsewhere, or doesn’t play well and is affordable but not good.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on February 01, 2018, 02:03:19 PM
When is our final deadline?  The trade deadline?

Deadline is the trade deadline.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: shake603 on February 01, 2018, 02:17:28 PM
Nadel will never see many minutes with this Celtics team..Yasbule may never be more than a end of bench player..Celtics 1st will be around 28th or 29th..how many picks that late ever do any good..if u hold onto PROSPECTS and late picks to see if they develop or not, u won't go far

And Noel either plays well for two months in Boston and gets a bigger contract elsewhere, or doesn’t play well and is affordable but not good.


Please correct me if i'm wrong, but Noel also falls into that weird situation where if he actually waived his NTC to come here he'd lose his bird rights. So he'd be putting himself into a position where the team he's going to cannot exceed the cap to sign him this summer. That means he's losing out on probably his biggest earning opportunity of staying with Dallas or working some sort of S&T out. Does he think he'd start here in this scenario? We wouldn't have the cap flexibility to sign him to his desired contract. He'd be banking on us showcasing him right?
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: Big333223 on February 01, 2018, 05:57:39 PM
Nadel will never see many minutes with this Celtics team..Yasbule may never be more than a end of bench player..Celtics 1st will be around 28th or 29th..how many picks that late ever do any good..if u hold onto PROSPECTS and late picks to see if they develop or not, u won't go far

And Noel either plays well for two months in Boston and gets a bigger contract elsewhere, or doesn’t play well and is affordable but not good.


Please correct me if i'm wrong, but Noel also falls into that weird situation where if he actually waived his NTC to come here he'd lose his bird rights. So he'd be putting himself into a position where the team he's going to cannot exceed the cap to sign him this summer. That means he's losing out on probably his biggest earning opportunity of staying with Dallas or working some sort of S&T out. Does he think he'd start here in this scenario? We wouldn't have the cap flexibility to sign him to his desired contract. He'd be banking on us showcasing him right?

So either Noel is bad and not worth the assets or Noel is good and walks for nothing thus wasting the assets.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: gouki88 on February 01, 2018, 07:22:24 PM
Wow, Milwaukee are suddenly my favourites to make it out of the East. What a deal.

Hate that trade for SAS, no idea why they’d move Leonard for that.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: action781 on February 01, 2018, 08:34:54 PM
Wow, Milwaukee are suddenly my favourites to make it out of the East. What a deal.

Hate that trade for SAS, no idea why they’d move Leonard for that.

Are they?  I see two superstars, two starting-caliber players, an incredibly weak center position, and very little depth.  Reminds me of the overall roster caliber of OKC Thunder, roughly as good as theirs before the Roberson injury.  The East isn't that strong though, so maybe they are.

If they can solidify the center position and bench, I'll like them a lot more.  I'd imagine there are cheap serviceable centers and bench players to be had on the market too.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on February 01, 2018, 09:02:36 PM
Wow, Milwaukee are suddenly my favourites to make it out of the East. What a deal.

Hate that trade for SAS, no idea why they’d move Leonard for that.

Are they?  I see two superstars, two starting-caliber players, an incredibly weak center position, and very little depth.  Reminds me of the overall roster caliber of OKC Thunder, roughly as good as theirs before the Roberson injury.  The East isn't that strong though, so maybe they are.

If they can solidify the center position and bench, I'll like them a lot more.  I'd imagine there are cheap serviceable centers and bench players to be had on the market too.

OKC has one superstar, one all-star, and one former all-star.

Milwaukee has two MVP-caliber players and a bunch of role players. They still may need another piece, but they are on their way.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: gouki88 on February 01, 2018, 09:04:05 PM
Wow, Milwaukee are suddenly my favourites to make it out of the East. What a deal.

Hate that trade for SAS, no idea why they’d move Leonard for that.

Are they?  I see two superstars, two starting-caliber players, an incredibly weak center position, and very little depth.  Reminds me of the overall roster caliber of OKC Thunder, roughly as good as theirs before the Roberson injury.  The East isn't that strong though, so maybe they are.

If they can solidify the center position and bench, I'll like them a lot more.  I'd imagine there are cheap serviceable centers and bench players to be had on the market too.
Not this season, as their year has been too disrupted with the coach firing. But alongside Boston this team would be a nightmare I think, considering the East is weaker
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on February 02, 2018, 09:49:03 AM
I don't think either team won the recent Suns-Clippers trade. I think they both could have done better.

I'm not a big Chriss fan -- he reminds me exactly of the type of clipper that they used to get - Richardson, Miles, etc. They do get the Milwaukee 1st, which is likely to be mid 20s, but that's not much for Beverly and Jordan.

On the other hand, the Suns gave up a young asset and a first rounder for a possible year rental of Jordan. Beverly fits well next to Booker (if healthy), but he only has one more year on his deal. Both players are older and don't fit the rest of the core's timeline, but both will demand huge salaries.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: shake603 on February 02, 2018, 10:28:34 AM
I don't think either team won the recent Suns-Clippers trade. I think they both could have done better.

I'm not a big Chriss fan -- he reminds me exactly of the type of clipper that they used to get - Richardson, Miles, etc. They do get the Milwaukee 1st, which is likely to be mid 20s, but that's not much for Beverly and Jordan.

On the other hand, the Suns gave up a young asset and a first rounder for a possible year rental of Jordan. Beverly fits well next to Booker (if healthy), but he only has one more year on his deal. Both players are older and don't fit the rest of the core's timeline, but both will demand huge salaries.

Could be signing Jabari Parker to a disastrous deal this summer too.
I'd be super nervous if I were Phoenix, but if Deandre likes the environment enough to stay and Parker stays healthy then its a super intriguing team next year and I think it would supremely benefit Booker, having outlets that can hit three's in guys like Beverly, a late shot clock dump that can get points in Parker, and a gravitational big in Deandre. Its super risky and intriguing to me.

I'm not sure what the overall deadline goal for Phoenix was, but upping the risk profile works for me. Should look to flip Warren next if it were me.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on February 02, 2018, 10:38:46 AM
I don't think either team won the recent Suns-Clippers trade. I think they both could have done better.

I'm not a big Chriss fan -- he reminds me exactly of the type of clipper that they used to get - Richardson, Miles, etc. They do get the Milwaukee 1st, which is likely to be mid 20s, but that's not much for Beverly and Jordan.

On the other hand, the Suns gave up a young asset and a first rounder for a possible year rental of Jordan. Beverly fits well next to Booker (if healthy), but he only has one more year on his deal. Both players are older and don't fit the rest of the core's timeline, but both will demand huge salaries.

Could be signing Jabari Parker to a disastrous deal this summer too.
I'd be super nervous if I were Phoenix, but if Deandre likes the environment enough to stay and Parker stays healthy then its a super intriguing team next year and I think it would supremely benefit Booker, having outlets that can hit three's in guys like Beverly, a late shot clock dump that can get points in Parker, and a gravitational big in Deandre. Its super risky and intriguing to me.

I'm not sure what the overall deadline goal for Phoenix was, but upping the risk profile works for me. Should look to flip Warren next if it were me.

The other problem is that Warren and Parker are largely redundant. Parker hasn't been consistent from 3. That means they will have two non-shooters on the court (Jordan and Warren) next to Beverly and Parker (not great shooters) and a great shooter (Booker).

They'll have 100 million tied up in Chandler-Knight-Parker-Jordan-Warren. Thinking toward the future, next year I estimate their cap to be north of 120 million, unless they can get rid of Chandler and Knight. In 19-20, they'll need to resign Booker to a deal close to 30 million, which means they will need to move Knight and/or Warren to keep their core together. Just my assessment.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: ChillyWilly on February 02, 2018, 11:54:26 AM
This deadline has been insane. Anyone still on the same team they started the deadline on?  ;D

Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on February 02, 2018, 06:13:00 PM
The Lakers just spent two first round draft picks to unload Luol Deng.

They are screwed if James goes somewhere else or George stays in OKC.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: gouki88 on February 02, 2018, 06:28:39 PM
The Lakers just spent two first round draft picks to unload Luol Deng.

They are screwed if James goes somewhere else or George stays in OKC.
I’d rather give up two protected picks in 2020-22 and 2022-24 or whatever it is, than one of my young guys like Ingram, Kuzma or Ball.

Other than that, the 2019 free agency class isn’t too bad, *cough* Klay Thompson, DeAndre Jordan, *cough*

I don’t think LA is screwed, really.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: saltlover on February 02, 2018, 06:36:36 PM
The Lakers just spent two first round draft picks to unload Luol Deng.

They are screwed if James goes somewhere else or George stays in OKC.

Meanwhile the Pelicans have turned an injured, expiring DeMarcus Cousins into Larry Nance Jr., Ersan Ilyasova, Jordan Clarkson, Josh Hart, and a 2nd round pick.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: Humble G on February 02, 2018, 08:41:25 PM
Although i havent been very successfull pulling off trades[been active] i have delevoped a liking for the nuggets bc of this game/mock trade deadline. Prly my 2nd fav team now
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on February 02, 2018, 09:07:36 PM
The Lakers just spent two first round draft picks to unload Luol Deng.

They are screwed if James goes somewhere else or George stays in OKC.
I’d rather give up two protected picks in 2020-22 and 2022-24 or whatever it is, than one of my young guys like Ingram, Kuzma or Ball.

Other than that, the 2019 free agency class isn’t too bad, *cough* Klay Thompson, DeAndre Jordan, *cough*

I don’t think LA is screwed, really.

Tampering!! Tampering!!! Strip him of draft picks! Oh wait, he doesn't have any! :)
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: Phantom255x on February 02, 2018, 09:40:20 PM
The Lakers just spent two first round draft picks to unload Luol Deng.

They are screwed if James goes somewhere else or George stays in OKC.

Well my Knicks had to trade away two future first round picks to unload Noah while getting back Shroder...  :P

Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on February 02, 2018, 09:48:54 PM
The Lakers just spent two first round draft picks to unload Luol Deng.

They are screwed if James goes somewhere else or George stays in OKC.

Well my Knicks had to trade away two future first round picks to unload Noah while getting back Shroder...  :P

Both moves were ... questionable.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: gouki88 on February 03, 2018, 12:51:30 AM
The Lakers just spent two first round draft picks to unload Luol Deng.

They are screwed if James goes somewhere else or George stays in OKC.
I’d rather give up two protected picks in 2020-22 and 2022-24 or whatever it is, than one of my young guys like Ingram, Kuzma or Ball.

Other than that, the 2019 free agency class isn’t too bad, *cough* Klay Thompson, DeAndre Jordan, *cough*

I don’t think LA is screwed, really.

Tampering!! Tampering!!! Strip him of draft picks! Oh wait, he doesn't have any! :)
You can rip my second round picks from my cold dead hands
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: tazzmaniac on February 03, 2018, 12:54:36 AM
The Lakers just spent two first round draft picks to unload Luol Deng.

They are screwed if James goes somewhere else or George stays in OKC.
No they are not.  They've cleared their books of all their bad contracts.  They've got lots of flexibility now.  If they can't get the free agents they want this offseason, they can sign a bunch of 1 year contracts and try again the following offseason. 

Getting off of bad contracts is expensive. Listened to Nate Duncan's podcast earlier and he estimated 1 1st rounder for 20M salary dump.  In this case, the 1st rounders are 2020 and 2022 at the earliest which makes them less valuable. 
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: gouki88 on February 03, 2018, 01:43:42 AM
The Lakers just spent two first round draft picks to unload Luol Deng.

They are screwed if James goes somewhere else or George stays in OKC.
No they are not.  They've cleared their books of all their bad contracts.  They've got lots of flexibility now.  If they can't get the free agents they want this offseason, they can sign a bunch of 1 year contracts and try again the following offseason. 

Getting off of bad contracts is expensive. Listened to Nate Duncan's podcast earlier and he estimated 1 1st rounder for 20M salary dump.  In this case, the 1st rounders are 2020 and 2022 at the earliest which makes them less valuable.
This was my logic. TP
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on February 03, 2018, 11:11:13 AM
The Lakers just spent two first round draft picks to unload Luol Deng.

They are screwed if James goes somewhere else or George stays in OKC.
No they are not.  They've cleared their books of all their bad contracts.  They've got lots of flexibility now.  If they can't get the free agents they want this offseason, they can sign a bunch of 1 year contracts and try again the following offseason. 

Getting off of bad contracts is expensive. Listened to Nate Duncan's podcast earlier and he estimated 1 1st rounder for 20M salary dump.  In this case, the 1st rounders are 2020 and 2022 at the earliest which makes them less valuable.
This was my logic. TP

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Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: tazzmaniac on February 03, 2018, 11:56:05 AM
The Lakers just spent two first round draft picks to unload Luol Deng.

They are screwed if James goes somewhere else or George stays in OKC.
No they are not.  They've cleared their books of all their bad contracts.  They've got lots of flexibility now.  If they can't get the free agents they want this offseason, they can sign a bunch of 1 year contracts and try again the following offseason. 

Getting off of bad contracts is expensive. Listened to Nate Duncan's podcast earlier and he estimated 1 1st rounder for 20M salary dump.  In this case, the 1st rounders are 2020 and 2022 at the earliest which makes them less valuable.
This was my logic. TP
Interesting.  I didn't realize you had the Lakers and the Wizards.  You'd probably get my vote for best deal making for the Lakers and you'd probably get my vote for worst deal making for the Wizards. 

Didn't like the Beal - Gobert deal but at least you were able to dump Mahinmi.  Hate the Dragic deal.  Dragic is 31 and on the decline.  I don't like the Wall/Dragic combo. And to top it off you took back Tyler Johnson's awful contract.   
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: Phantom255x on February 03, 2018, 12:32:27 PM
The Lakers just spent two first round draft picks to unload Luol Deng.

They are screwed if James goes somewhere else or George stays in OKC.

Well my Knicks had to trade away two future first round picks to unload Noah while getting back Shroder...  :P

Both moves were ... questionable.

I don't think Shroder is bad. Not elite, but very solid and at age 24 has room to grow.

Idk I admittedly asked some of my Knicks friends at Uni what they thought of this deal and they thought it was decent, but they also aren't really high on Ntilika so...  :P

Not the sexiest move but I think the Randle move is a great one for NYK.  ;D
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: ChillyWilly on February 03, 2018, 02:29:54 PM
The Lakers just spent two first round draft picks to unload Luol Deng.

They are screwed if James goes somewhere else or George stays in OKC.

Well my Knicks had to trade away two future first round picks to unload Noah while getting back Shroder...  :P

Both moves were ... questionable.

I don't think Shroder is bad. Not elite, but very solid and at age 24 has room to grow.

Idk I admittedly asked some of my Knicks friends at Uni what they thought of this deal and they thought it was decent, but they also aren't really high on Ntilika so...  :P

Not the sexiest move but I think the Randle move is a great one for NYK.  ;D

Ya I don't get the Schoder hate here dude can ball. Most guards don't play much defense so knocking him on that seems trivial.

He's got no one in ATL right now so it's hard to tell if he could be elite (I'm not delusional don't think he's KI but he's certainly not Marcus Smart either). What good is a PG with no weapons to pass to?


Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: KGs Knee on February 03, 2018, 05:17:52 PM
I'm still waiting for that Joe Ingles straight up for LeBron trade.

Cavs would totally be winning that deal.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: gouki88 on February 03, 2018, 06:20:53 PM
The Lakers just spent two first round draft picks to unload Luol Deng.

They are screwed if James goes somewhere else or George stays in OKC.
No they are not.  They've cleared their books of all their bad contracts.  They've got lots of flexibility now.  If they can't get the free agents they want this offseason, they can sign a bunch of 1 year contracts and try again the following offseason. 

Getting off of bad contracts is expensive. Listened to Nate Duncan's podcast earlier and he estimated 1 1st rounder for 20M salary dump.  In this case, the 1st rounders are 2020 and 2022 at the earliest which makes them less valuable.
This was my logic. TP
Interesting.  I didn't realize you had the Lakers and the Wizards.  You'd probably get my vote for best deal making for the Lakers and you'd probably get my vote for worst deal making for the Wizards. 

Didn't like the Beal - Gobert deal but at least you were able to dump Mahinmi.  Hate the Dragic deal.  Dragic is 31 and on the decline.  I don't like the Wall/Dragic combo. And to top it off you took back Tyler Johnson's awful contract.   
Interesting.

I’m not going to go in depth trying to defend the trades, because if you don’t like players I certainly can’t change that. My logic was mainly to try and fix the cancerous Washington locker room, and solidify my bench. A bench of Johnson, Bellinelli, Burks, Nelson, Dedmon and Mike Scott is much more solid than the one where Tim Frazier and co were running around. I’m also a much bigger Dragic fan than you, and now my team has 3 All-Star caliber players when healthy, not two. Can’t please everyone ;)
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on February 03, 2018, 10:17:40 PM
The Lakers just spent two first round draft picks to unload Luol Deng.

They are screwed if James goes somewhere else or George stays in OKC.
No they are not.  They've cleared their books of all their bad contracts.  They've got lots of flexibility now.  If they can't get the free agents they want this offseason, they can sign a bunch of 1 year contracts and try again the following offseason. 

Getting off of bad contracts is expensive. Listened to Nate Duncan's podcast earlier and he estimated 1 1st rounder for 20M salary dump.  In this case, the 1st rounders are 2020 and 2022 at the earliest which makes them less valuable.
This was my logic. TP
Interesting.  I didn't realize you had the Lakers and the Wizards.  You'd probably get my vote for best deal making for the Lakers and you'd probably get my vote for worst deal making for the Wizards. 

Didn't like the Beal - Gobert deal but at least you were able to dump Mahinmi.  Hate the Dragic deal.  Dragic is 31 and on the decline.  I don't like the Wall/Dragic combo. And to top it off you took back Tyler Johnson's awful contract.   
Interesting.

I’m not going to go in depth trying to defend the trades, because if you don’t like players I certainly can’t change that. My logic was mainly to try and fix the cancerous Washington locker room, and solidify my bench. A bench of Johnson, Bellinelli, Burks, Nelson, Dedmon and Mike Scott is much more solid than the one where Tim Frazier and co were running around. I’m also a much bigger Dragic fan than you, and now my team has 3 All-Star caliber players when healthy, not two. Can’t please everyone ;)

What if the cancer was John Wall? :)

I'm just busting your chops. They aren't trades I would have made, but we'll let the forum decide if they were good.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: action781 on February 04, 2018, 12:24:26 PM
The Lakers just spent two first round draft picks to unload Luol Deng.

They are screwed if James goes somewhere else or George stays in OKC.

Well my Knicks had to trade away two future first round picks to unload Noah while getting back Shroder...  :P

Both moves were ... questionable.

I don't think Shroder is bad. Not elite, but very solid and at age 24 has room to grow.

Idk I admittedly asked some of my Knicks friends at Uni what they thought of this deal and they thought it was decent, but they also aren't really high on Ntilika so...  :P

Not the sexiest move but I think the Randle move is a great one for NYK.  ;D

Ya I don't get the Schoder hate here dude can ball. Most guards don't play much defense so knocking him on that seems trivial.

He's got no one in ATL right now so it's hard to tell if he could be elite (I'm not delusional don't think he's KI but he's certainly not Marcus Smart either). What good is a PG with no weapons to pass to?

Schroeder is very OK.  I think there are a handful of backup PGs in the league that are better, so I don't think he's all that great.  Everybody will have different preferences, but guys like Terry Rozier, Delon Wright, Lou Williams, and whoever you'd consider to be the backup on teams like SAC, SA, DET all could be considered better than Schroeder, maybe even D-Rose too if he and Schroed swapped places.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: shake603 on February 06, 2018, 02:38:36 PM
Has it been discussed as a group how we're handling general managers that seem to not be participating anymore? I think its fine if folks are busy or want to step away, i'm just wondering if its come up at all.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: saltlover on February 06, 2018, 03:32:21 PM
Has it been discussed as a group how we're handling general managers that seem to not be participating anymore? I think its fine if folks are busy or want to step away, i'm just wondering if its come up at all.

Obviously they’re not getting any votes from me on having done a good job, but obviously it’s too late in the game to do anything else. Remember them for the next mock deadline so they don’t get to play again I suppose.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: Birdman on February 06, 2018, 04:08:44 PM
Been trying to wheel and deal 😀. Did make one move and looking to make another
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: saltlover on February 10, 2018, 08:07:42 PM
Since it's over, I thought people might like to use this thread to talk about how they feel they did (since the Commish would like to keep the other thread clean).  I'll start, with an essay about my time with the Pelicans.

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Coming into the situation, I had a healthy DeMarcus but a terrible cap situation.  When I took over, if the Pels let all their free agents walk, kept Cousins at the max, their 1st round pick, and filled in the rest of the roster with four minimum salary players next year, they would have a payroll of about $133 million, or $11-12 million over the tax line.  That was unsustainable, and even stretching Asik and sending a 2nd for someone to take on Ajinca’s salary would still have left the team above the tax.  So I knew I needed to make significant changes.   I briefly inquired with teams about Cousins, and the market was soft because of his free agent status and a belief LA would make a strong push for him.

Then he got hurt, and it was clear to me what the solution was – I had to trade Cousins.  And although the return was criticized, I really liked what I got.  Clarkson is overpaid, but the Pels were playing Jameer Nelson and Ian Clark a combined 30 minutes a game in January, and Clarkson could take all of those minutes at better production.  Given that next year those roster spots would still be filled by minimum salary players at similar production as Clark and Nelson, Clarkson’s inflated salary is still a decent spend, because he is better than the alternative.  I love Nance – he can play the 4 or 5, and really gets after it on the defensive end.  He’s also cheap and will be pretty easy to keep around either via extension or restricted free agency.

The Pels also have no wings, currently.  They’ve been starting 2-3 PGs a game (Holiday, Moore, and Rondo).  My goal was to help get some cheap 3&D players, and I really like Josh Hart as someone who’s immediately able to help with that role 15-20 minutes a night.  Finally, when you look at a real-life trade that was made, the Cavs sent the Lakers an injured star looking for a big payday this summer and received Nance and Clarkson.  But instead of also receiving Hart, the Cavs instead sent back a first-round pick, so I feel I came out ahead of the real world.

The Cousins trade also gave me a sizable trade exception, which I used to further increase depth by getting Ilyasova, and also acquired a minor pick.  Between that 2nd, another 2nd acquired in this process, and a 1st, I was able to turn Omer Asik into Nikola Vucevic.  This gave the Pels the center they need to start next to Davis, especially given Davis’ stated reluctance to play the majority of his minutes at the 5.  While certainly not as good as Cousins, he offers a strong inside game both offensively and defensively, and has added some 3-point range as well, thus keeping the Pels offense from being too packed into the paint.

Finally, I was able to acquire some more youth.  Giving up the 1st for Vucevic was difficult, and not something I was initially willing to do, but acquiring Josh Hart made that somewhat more palatable.  I also got Damyean Dotson, a 3&D wing prospect, Jabari Bird, another 3&D wing, and Dakari Johnson as a younger big.  I also gained a late 2nd this season, which was desirable, as the real Pels had already traded away this year’s 2nd in a salary dump move.  While not high-end prospects, Dotson, Bird, and Johnson all have a chance to move into a rotation in the next 1-2 seasons, which is important given the salary situation described above, and the dearth of young players on the roster.

All told, I think I improved the team this year and next year.  When I took over, the Pels rotation looked like this:

Guards: Holiday, Moore, Rondo, Nelson, Clark
Wing(s): Miller, Liggins (10-day contract – the Pels signed him to a rest of season earlier this week, but my Pels will not)
Bigs: Davis, Cunningham, Asik (although he was largely unplayable)
Infimary: Cousins, Hill (due back after ASB), Ajinca, Allen
Prospects: Jackson, Diallo

So the Pels had an 8-9 man rotation, two of which the real Pels salary-dumped in the last 10 days (Nelson and Cunningham)

My Pels look like this:
Guards: Holiday, Moore, Rondo, Clarkson
Wings: Miller, Hart
Bigs: Davis, Nance, Ilyasova,
Infirmary: Vucevic, Hill (both due back after ASB), Ajinca
Prospects: Jackson, Dotson, Johnson, Bird

This upgraded all parts of the rotation.  Furthermore, 13 of these players are under contract next season for $114 million, which means the Pels will be able to use most or all of the full MLE and still stay under the tax.  This year’s roster is now a shade under $117 million (it was at $119 million when I started), which means it is also possible to use the almost $2.5 million DPE they have for Ajinca and stay under the luxury tax if they are able to convince a bought out player to come (Johnson would be released).

Unlike the real Pels, who’ve quickly fallen from the 6th to the 9th position in the West after Boogie went down, my Pels should be able to make the playoffs this season, thanks to the quick arrival of Nance, Clarkson, Hart, and Ilyasova, as well as the eventual arrival of Vucevic.  Next season’s team should also be a playoff team.  And while the playoffs might seem like a modest goal, being able to make it, especially with a chance to advance if they finish 6th or better, is very important for the long-term success of the franchise.  Anthony Davis almost certainly will be eligible for the supermax in the summer of 2019, and we feel two consecutive trips to the playoffs, especially if the team advances at least once, will be important in convincing him to stay long-term.  If he does, we’d hope to keep Vucevic and Nance, while using draft assets and Clarkson and Hill’s expiring contracts to trade for another star player.  If he doesn’t, that would be the time to trade him and start a full rebuild.  (That said, we did receive a very tempting offer from Philly early in this process that we had in the back of our mind the entire deadline, and if we had not been able to acquire Vucevic might have pursued in earnest)

All in all, I was handed a lot of lemons early on, and am really happy where I ended up.  I met virtually all of my goals – I did have to concede trading a first-round pick, but it is reasonably protected and Vucevic seems like a player worth using it on.  Thanks to all who participated.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: RodyTur10 on February 11, 2018, 10:53:21 AM
REPORT PRESS CONFERENCE AT PHOENIX, ARIZONA

Reporter: Hello General Manager of the Phoenix Suns, can you tell us about the reasons for making the recent big trades?
Phoenix GM: You can call me by my name.
Reporter: What’s your name then?
Phoenix GM: That’s your job to know, isn’t it?
Reporter: I’m sorry, I just want to inform the public about the trade.
Phoenix GM: We made several trades, which one are you referring to?
Reporter: Well, most NBA followers were really surprised that the Suns gave up their first round pick for Jabari Parker, who has just come back from a major injury.
Phoenix GM: So, what’s your question?
Reporter: Well, why did the Suns trade this potentially very high draft pick with minor protections?
Phoenix GM: To acquire Jabari Parker.
Reporter: Yes, we understand! But why were you willing to give up such a valuable asset?
Phoenix GM: We think Parker can become an All Star.
Reporter: But he has had an ACL-surgery, there’s a risk he might not get back fully recovered. 
Phoenix GM: There is risk, yes.
Reporter: But are you not concerned that this trade might backfire with an upcoming draft that’s said to be loaded with great talent?
Phoenix GM: Who said that?
Reporter: Many draft experts.
Phoenix GM: Who are these draft experts?
Reporter: Many sites like ESPN have reported it.
Phoenix GM: And they are always correct?
Reporter: It’s the general view, sir.
Phoenix GM: We might have a different view. Any more questions?
Reporter: Pff. All right, the Suns also brought in DeAndre Jordan. What do you expect from him?
Phoenix GM: To play well.
Reporter: Could you be more specific?
Phoenix GM: We know that DeAndre is a great rebounder and rim protector. So draw your own conclusion what we expect from him.
Reporter: And the Suns brought in two point guards. With Darren Collison coming over from Indiana and Patrick Beverley from LA.
Phoenix GM: We know.
Reporter: Please let me finish my question.
Phoenix GM: Go ahead.
Reporter: They both are under contract for only one more year. Was it worth it to trade valuable young players like Bender and Chriss for them?
Phoenix GM: Would we have made these trades if we thought it didn’t?
Reporter: But Dragan Bender has shown signs of improvement.
Phoenix GM: That’s good for Indiana then.

Silence

Reporter: What are the goals for the Suns to accomplish this season?   
Phoenix GM: To become better.
Reporter: And next season?
Phoenix GM: A lot better.
Reporter: Do you think this team could reach the playoffs next year?
Phoenix GM: Yes.
Reporter: Even if the Suns make the playoffs next year, a lot of contracts expire in 2019. The veterans who have been traded for might walk in free agency. Are you concerned about that?
Phoenix GM: Not really.
Reporter: Why not?
Phoenix GM: Our young core stays intact. We’ll have cap space. We have options then.
Reporter: But it always has been difficult to draw free agents to come play in Phoenix.
Phoenix GM: We change that.
Reporter: How?
Phoenix GM: By becoming a better team.
Reporter: Is it certain that this new roster will be better than it was?
Phoenix GM: Quite certain.
Reporter: But the Suns lost a couple of talents and draft picks with high potential. In the long run the ceiling of the team might be lowered.
Phoenix GM: That’s your opinion.

Silence

Reporter: To come back at the case of Parker. He’s a restricted free agent, he may demand a lot of money for his new contract.
Phoenix GM: Yes.
Reporter: There have been rumors that he wants a max contract. Has he shown enough to justify that?
Phoenix GM: I respond to Jabari himself and to his agent. Not to rumors.
Reporter: But the Suns could offer him a maximum contract?
Phoenix GM: Maybe.
Reporter: How about DeAndre Jordan?
Phoenix GM: What about him?
Reporter: He could waive his player option and enter the free agent market. To resign him could be costly or he might join another franchise.
Phoenix GM: Are there many franchises with cap space to give max contracts?
Reporter: No, but some.
Phoenix GM: We are confident that DeAndre will like the path we are going. 
Reporter: I’m sorry, but you seem to be unwilling to answer my questions. Is there a problem? 
Phoenix GM: There’s no problem.
Reporter: So you are willing to answer my questions?
Phoenix GM: I answered your questions.

Phoenix GM leaves abruptly
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on February 11, 2018, 03:37:10 PM
The Brooklyn Nets simply wanted to try to accrue young talent. We received draft picks to take on Carroll last year, and now we sent him out in a trade to get a 3D prospect and a young, productive, athletic big. In that trade, we had to take on Parsons, but I expect he will either really enjoy the nightlife in Brooklyn or he will be bought out. Although there is a chance that he could be an important rotation player in our system (his skills would fit us really well), we aren't too hopeful that he can ... you know ... actually play consistent minutes.

We also sold high on Dinwiddie (and let go of Stauskas and Okafor's expirings), who has always been more productive the more he is able to touch the ball. Receiving back Wilson and a 2nd was valuable for us. Wilson has a lot of potential to be a great 4 in our system.

In the meantime, our starting lineup is likely Russell-Crabbe-Lavert-Parsons-Allen, with Snell-RHJ-Harris-Mozgov-Brooks-Davis-Wilson off the bench. We are long, switchy, skilled ball players who can shoot the ball. We aren't gonna win any championships soon, but I do think we replenished young talent on the roster.

If one or two guys looks like legit playoff caliber starters, we could possibly trade the big contracts (Parsons, Snell, or Crabbe) with young prospects (Brooks, Davis, Wilson, RHJ) to acquire an all-star player who is discontent on their team.

If I were the Nets GM in the off-season, I'd be calling the Blazers about Lillard or McCullom. I'd also be monitoring the Wall-Beal situation in Washington and the Kemba Walker situation in Charlotte. I would not offer too much for them, but a starting quality wing with a couple young prospects might get conversations started.

If nothing materializes, I try to sign hard-working vets in the off-season, draft well at 27 and 48, and continue to develop internally, hoping that Lavert or Russell makes a leap and Davis, Brooks, or Wilson shows to be a starting caliber player.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on February 11, 2018, 04:07:52 PM
The Utah Jazz hit the reset button in our mock trade deadline (although after their real life success in recent weeks, I'm thinking I made a mistake).

I wanted to be aggressive with our expiring contracts and young players.

The trade with the Wizards was about getting a legit all-star guard to pair with our future all-star (Mitchell). I'm a big believer in doubling down on strengths (Curry/Thompson, Duncan/Robinson, Wade/Lebron, etc.), instead of worrying about weaknesses. That's why we traded Gobert for Beal. Beal and Mitchell are both high level athletes, defenders, and shooters, with blossoming abilities to drive to the basket.

After that trade was completed, we set out to fill out the roster with shooters and defenders to support Beal and Mitchell. The Minnesota trade was about locking up a long-term big who we think is miscast in Minnesota (Dieng). We also think that Patton is one of only a handful of players from last year's draft that have all-star potential -- getting him as a throw-in and a long-term prospect was exciting.

The Hornets trade was about getting high level two-way players next to Mitchell and Wall. Williams is one of the best stretch 4s in the game and is a highly versatile defender. Zeller os one of the best role players in the NBA with potential to add an outside shot.

Finally, the Magic trade was about acquiring Mack as a backup point guard and Simmons as a great bench two-way player. To give up an expiring and a 2nd to get those players was a steal. This trade also allowed us to stay under the luxury tax this year.

We figure our starting lineup will be Mitchell-Beal-Ingles-Williams-Dieng, with Zeller-Simmons-Mack-Exum-Mahinmi off the bench.

We also explored adding a high-level 4 at the trade deadline, but all possibilities fell apart as we got closer to the deadline. If I were the Jazz GM, I'd keep an eye on Aaron Gordon for the Magic, Kevin Love for the Cavs, and Dario Saric for the Sixers. The goal would be to get an upgrade at Ingles spot -- someone who can facilitate offense, shoot, and play defense. Patton might be that one day, and we think both Dieng and Zeller have some upside left, but ideally we could find a different piece.

Also, I'd resign Exum to about a mid-level deal this off-season. We also may need to stretch Mahinmi to avoid further tax complications. I'd be looking at Miles Bridges with our 11 pick.

Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: Csfan1984 on February 11, 2018, 05:22:04 PM
 Blazers wanted to get under the luxary tax and improve. We believe Fouriner is a good upgrade over Turner and he is under contract for same time as our other core players. We also did get under the tax by a few million giving us flexibility to sign a buy out player and still be under.

I can't ask for much more given the market. I felt I did well.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: Phantom255x on February 11, 2018, 08:50:58 PM
The Knicks felt that a Randle-Porzingis duo would be really dynamic and deadly, and would help the team win going forward (not just this season, but for years to come). We are high on Randle, and that's why we traded what we did to acquire him, with the belief that we can re-sign him this summer.

Unfortunately, we felt Noah was holding us back and the fit just simply wasn't there anymore, and after the altercation he had with our coach, we felt we needed to do what's best for the team, and thus had to make some sacrifices. It certainly was a signing we regretted now and we had to make a "not-so-popular" deal trading away picks as well, but we do wish Noah the best going forward and are saddened it didn't work out at the end. That said, we are happy to have acquired Shroder and feel he can help the team out as well going forward. He's young (age 24), gritty, and while he can be a tad inconsistent, he has a ton of room to grow and we are excited to work with him. We also think both him and Ntilikina can grow and become better players by working and playing together, and learning along the way.

We had tremendous respect for O'Quinn and Lee, and they have done a lot for us, but with O'Quinn's expiring contract and hoping to save some money going forward, we decided to trade them for future assets, while also giving them a chance to deservedly contend for a title with OKC. We felt it was a great deal for both sides given the circumstances, but are also excited to have acquired some young pieces and future picks which could help the team.

Our goal going into the offseason was to get better and acquire future assets, but instead of simply going into an all-out rebuild, we made some deals that may be considered "interesting" to many GMs/fans, but overall we felt the team improved for the long haul especially with the additions of Shroder and Randle, and although it wasn't our best trade, we felt the Noah trade had to be done for the best of the team, and to improve the chemistry and dynamics of the locker room based on what had been going on between Noah and the coaches recently.

We ultimately wanted to build around Porzingis, an elite talent who has expressed his desire to go out there wearing his Knicks uniform proudly and win games, and to put adequate talent around him going forward, and we feel like we did a great job of that. We might not be there yet, but we hope to be in the coming years. We certainly have a ton of work left to do, but we are content with all that we did in the trade deadline, and are excited to work with the players we acquired! We also wish the best of luck to those that are now elsewhere!

(NOTE: I made these deals BEFORE Porzingis tore his ACL, so just assume he hasn't gotten injured yet, pretty please! Thanks)
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: gouki88 on February 11, 2018, 10:21:52 PM
LAL:
The Mock Lakers, much like their real life counterparts, were very active come deadline time. There was an obvious goal in mind; clear cap space for the summer, all the while retaining the young core.

Moving the first round picks to offload Deng was potentially the riskiest move I made, but considering that they don't convey until 2020, and have decent protections on them, I wasn't too worried. Another aspect to consider is the ever-growing likelihood that the Lakers pick up at least one big name free agent, while retaining DeMarcus Cousins. 2 All-Star calibre players surrounded by the likes of Kuzma, Ingram and Ball is definitely no lotto team.

Trading for DMC was another risk taken - however, without taking risks, you don't win. We believe that DeMarcus will come back and still be a 24/12 center, arguably the most dominant in the game. Couple that with his continually expanding range and the potential partnership with a star wing, we believe he will be able to flourish in LA.

Moving Randle was tough, as he had always done right by the franchise and never let anything bother him. However, he was poised for Restricted Free Agency, and we couldn't afford to pay him what he likely deserves. We are very high on Hernangomez, who we view as a strong backup big for years to come, and McDermott is a very proficient 3 point shooter.

Bringing in a significant amount of role players, such as Isaiah Taylor, Tony Allen, Luke Babbit, in addition to the two likely high 2nd round picks (Chicago and Atlanta's), we believe we have the ability to shore up our bench nicely, with guys like Kurucs, Bruce Brown and local player Aaron Holiday all projected to be in that range.

All in all, we in LA believe the Lakers are set up for both short and long term success.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: gouki88 on February 11, 2018, 10:36:04 PM
Washington:
The Wizards locker room problems are very well documented nation wide. Beal and Wall don't get along. Gortat and everyone else don't get along. Gortat doesn't even really wish to be in Washington, etc. etc.

As a result of this toxic environment, we in D.C. decided to blow it up, and rebuild on the fly around Wall.

Beal's value is at an all-time high, after being named to the All-Star team for the first time in his career. We used this opportunity to sell high, as we believe he has reached his peak, as his efficiency has declined while his usage has gone up. So we exchanged Beal and Mahinmi's big contract for Gobert and Burks. Gobert was an All-NBA player last year, as well as the blocks leader and an All-Defensive team player. We firmly believe that he is the best defensive big in the NBA, and he is still just 25. Playing next to one of the best playmakers in the league in Wall will make Gobert a dynamic offensive weapon.

We also shipped out Gortat and our 2019 first, in order to shore up our bench with a deadly shooter in Belinelli and one of the best role playing big men in the league in Dedmon. We aren't too worried about the pick, as Washington plan to contend for the Eastern championship next season.

Moving Porter was hard, but we believe that the previous administration made a mistake with the contract he was given (yeah, they had to match, we know). So we moved him for an All-Star guard in Goran Dragic, who can play at either guard position, and Tyler Johnson, one of the best all round bench guards in the league.

Bringing in Nelson and Burks really solidified the depth that we were so drastically lacking, and we now have an 11 man rotation of:
Wall / Nelson
Dragic / Johnson / Belinelli
Oubre / Burks
Morris / Scott
Gobert / Dedmon

We believe that is an incredibly solid team all around, and very strong.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: Bucketgetter on February 12, 2018, 12:17:20 AM
The Minnesota Timberwolves came into the deadline knowing we had the talent and value to become a championship level team, but didn’t have the right fit and would be running low on cap space to fix the problems. My goal was to create a better fit around Butler and KAT, improve our bench, create future cap space by getting rid of big deals and acquiring expiring contracts, and bring in another star player and/or the assets to get one.

We started off by making a deal with the Jazz that hit on all cylinders for us. We were able to shed Gorgui Dieng’s 4 year, 62 million dollar deal, and replace him with a better player in Derrick Favors, who is an expiring contract. We picked up Jonas Jerebko, a solid rotation player to solidify our bench, and to top it off, we were able to acquire Rodney Hood (along with his bird rights) who will come straight in and compete for a starting job (similar to the cavs in real life) and will have the potential to become a long term building block. Even if we decide to go in a different direction, we can use his bird rights as an asset in a sign and trade next year. We had to give up Justin Patton, who does have long term potential, but has not played a single minute this year and has been dealing with foot injuries. This deal helped us accomplish adding pieces to our bench and creating cap space for next year.

Our final deal was a blockbuster with Charlotte. This was to not only address our past team’s fit issues with Butler/KAT, but to add another star to our core. We felt like Andrew Wiggins is a good, not great scorer, but needs the ball to be most effective. With Butler and Towns demanding touches, not to mention the point guard Tegaue, we felt like Wiggins was in the wrong role off the ball. Coach Thibs also wanted to improve the intensity and effort on defense.

So to solve this problem, we traded Wiggins to Charlotte, and were able to rid ourselves of Jeff Teague’s 3 year, 57 million dollar deal, and Shabazz Muhammad, who had demanded a trade. The prize of the deal was obviously Kemba Walker, who fits perfectly as a 3rd star next to Butler and Towns, and can play on and off the ball while giving us solid on ball defense. We also acquired a potentially very valuable first round pick. It is Charlotte 2018 lottery protected first, that decreases it’s protections until it is unprotected in 2022. Since Charlotte is in clear rebuilding mode, that pick probably won’t convey for a few years, but if Charlotte remains out of the playoff picture, we might be able to add a high pick to our already championship level roster in a few years. Although we do not like Nic Batum’s contract, we felt like it was worth it taking him on since we were able to rid ourselves of 3 massive contracts already. We hope that he will thrive here due to the immense talent around him, and that he will return to previous season’s form when he was an above average starter. Even if he is not able to, the addition of Rodney Hood should give us solid play at the wing spot next to Butler. We were also able to add Treveon Graham as wing depth, who will contribute more than Shabazz Muhammad did and not disrupt the locker room.

Overall I feel like I accomplished almost all of my goals. I think I turned the Wolves from a team that was trying to take the next step, to a team that is ready to compete for a championship and one move away from becoming dominant in the next couple years. I was thinking about making one last deal, and flipping one of my rotational bigs along with 2 firsts (OKC that is owed to Minnesota and CHA that I traded for) for a star big man next to Towns, but decided it would be smarter to wait and make a move during the offseason. Gibson has been a great fit next to Towns so far this year, and we can see where our draft picks land before we deal them. We also created cap space for next year so don’t rule out a big free agent signing, or a trade during the offseason that included the 2 firsts.

As far as the rest of the season, we have created a team that is deep, led by 3 stars, and has multiple role players filling in around them. The depth chart is as follows -

Kemba Walker / Tyus Jones / Aaron Brooks
Jimmy Butler / Jamal Crawford / Treveon Graham
Nic Batum / Rodney Hood / Marcus Georges Hunt
Taj Gibson / Nemanja Bjelica / Jonas Jerebko
KAT / Derrick Favors / Cole Aldrich

This team can compete now, and we were able to add the assets to either improve by free agency, trade, or the draft. This team now has multiple avenues to become the next super team of the NBA, and we are excited to bring a championship to Minnesota in the coming years.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: saltlover on February 12, 2018, 01:28:51 AM
The Warriors stood pat at the deadline.  We explored trying to open a roster spot for a buyout while getting a late 2nd, and thought we even had a deal at one point, but either due to miscommunication or due to phone lines being down (the constant board issues this week), that deal did not transpire.

The biggest decision we made was in turning down an offer for Klay Thompson — centered on Khris Middleton and Phoenix’s 1st-round pick, in a package similar to what sent Kawhi Leonard to Milwaukee.  But we passed for two reasons. Firstly, while the Warriors are the favorites for another title, Houston is nipping at our heels, and while Middleton is a very good player, the otential downgrade from Klay could cost a title.  Secondly, while there could be some cost savings in the future when Middleton and Thompson both reach free agency in 2019, those savings could be erased if the trade angered Durant.  KD took a $10 million discount this year to make the team affordable,, but can opt out this summer.  If Durant became upset by the trade (very possible), we could find ourselves with a worse team that costs the same amount or more going forward.

The Warriors are the best team in the league, and the goal was to not crash the car.  Making no moves accomplished this goal.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: Big333223 on February 12, 2018, 09:24:34 AM
The biggest goal for the Orlando Magic at the trade deadline was to establish a path forward. After a hot start and dismal rest of the season, I felt there was a trade out there that could vault the team into playoff contention by next year or a trade that would focus our attention further into the future.

The former trade never materialized and I'm excited about the potential of the team going forward. We knew we had talent in Aaron Gordon (22) and Jonathan Isaac (20) and we'll have a great chance at a star in the top 5 of the draft this summer. That established a timeline for us, making players like Fournier (25) and Vucevic (27) movable. We were able to get (likely) mid-1st round picks for both along with other assets including young big man Caleb Swanigan who has some upside.

We were also able to move on from some of the win-now veteran signings that were made last summer that were not going to help us going forward (Simmons and Mack) and got a 2nd rounder and some financial flexibility for this summer.

All told, we brought in 2 first rounders, 3 second rounders and one prospect we believe has some upside as a modern NBA big. We'll also have flexibility this summer with the ability to open up more than $25 million in cap space. The other important move was to align our biggest contracts (Biyombo, Evan Turner, and Omer Asik, a combined $47 mil in 2020) to all expire the summer of 2020, giving us valuable trade assets in 2019/2020 or the ability to open max cap space in 2020 just as Gordon, Isaac, and our 2018 pick are coming into their own.

We now feel their is a clear path toward contention as we continue to develop the modern NBA talent we have on the roster now and ready ourselves for a busy summer with lots of flexibility.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: shake603 on February 13, 2018, 06:26:43 PM
Greetings!

Atlanta Hawks GM here! (I’m sure more than a few of you are tired of seeing that)

We had a few goals for this Mock Trade Deadline, but before we outline those I wanted to thank DefenseWinsChampionships for running this, Saltlover for helping with the cap stuff, and the general managers that responded to messages. This was incredibly fun and I can’t thank you all enough.

Our primary goals were as follows:

Acquire first round draft picks by offering to take on long term salary

Specifically target teams with high risk chances in their future plans

Ideally ship out players with perceived high value now ( Scrhoder & Bazemore )

Ship out Expiring contracts while the market  still holds value in those

Ideally bring back long term salary that could used in trade as expiring contracts in the future as soon as next year

Secondary goals:

Complete a three team trade

Tinker with the power at the top of the Eastern Conference to potentially disrupt the playoffs (level the top)

Be aggressive at reaching out (I thought folks might be shy about messaging)

Don’t trade with Boston (we here on the board over-value our assets a bit and it would likely have been tough to come to terms, not that they really needed/wanted anything from Atlanta)

Ideally keep Collins and Prince (I have a soft spot for Tyler Dorsey so him too)

Tertiary goals:

Field every call ( I’m surprised how many folks immediately said there was nothing to talk about, there were likely a dozen missed opportunities from that alone )

Trade Kent Bazemore to Cleveland for Long term Salary, Cedi Osman, Ante Zizic, and their 2018 pick, and possibly removing protections on the other pick they owe us. This was supremely ambitious and I could have been talked down a great deal. Nothing materialized.

Trade with the Knicks and Lakers – I believe picks from those two clubs could be awesome or terrible, it all depends on how they execute their ultimate plans. They are high risk and the picks are more valuable for longer if that is the case (my opinion)

Acquire bargain bin young players that teams have given up on ( Stanley Johnson would have been ideal )

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Overall I’d say we accomplished about half of this. I was really wishing we could have maximized on any perceived value on Bazemore but I could not work anything out. We now have 5 first round picks this year and an additional 4 coming from this trade deadline alone on top of the picks we have already which include our own and a small handful of others. We'll be able to package up or take multiple swings in each draft for the next 3 or 4 years and that ignores the trade potential.

 I feel like the road back into meaningful basketball for Atlanta is going to rely on draft and trade, not on free agent signing, so the picks I collected will be the key.

 
Let me know what you think! Or if you have any questions. I'd also really like to hear what folks specific plans were for their teams, short and long term.

Thank you!
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: saltlover on July 03, 2018, 02:53:10 AM
In the wake of Cousins signing for 1 year with Golden State, with New Orleans seemingly electing not to pursue him, I stand by my highly controversial trade of Cousins for Nance, Hart, Clarkson, and a trade exception that became Ersan Ilyasova.
Title: Re: Mock Trade Deadline Discussion and Comments
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on July 03, 2018, 09:02:49 AM
In the wake of Cousins signing for 1 year with Golden State, with New Orleans seemingly electing not to pursue him, I stand by my highly controversial trade of Cousins for Nance, Hart, Clarkson, and a trade exception that became Ersan Ilyasova.

I stand my critique of it. :)

Honestly, it was a pretty good move. That team has more rotational players.