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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: celticpride07 on January 04, 2013, 01:33:27 PM
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http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/46581/the-rudy-gay-dilemma-if-hes-dealt-where-will-he-land (http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/46581/the-rudy-gay-dilemma-if-hes-dealt-where-will-he-land)
Article talks about Memphis might be shopping Rudy gay. It mentions the celtics as a possibility.
Either Pierce for gay straight up or bradley, green, and lee for gay is mentioned
Personally, I have no interest in Rudy gay and his contract and rather get a big man.
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Now kill me, but i would die for a Pierce-Gay trade.
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I could live with PP for Gay. we get younger and a player that fits better with uptempo play (thus Rondo). Moving AB, Lee and Green is too much talent to give up and those are the players we'd want to keep with Gay to play with Rondo.
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Bradley, Green, Lee for Gay is a decent trade imo.
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Bradley, Green, Lee for Gay is a decent trade imo.
Pierce or Gay at SG?
If we do this trade, we lose a lot of depth. We should try to include Arthur/Ellington/Allen;) in exchange for a pick as well.
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I would definitely do Pierce for Gay.
Paul Pierce for Gay works straight-up, but it’s sacrilege and does not save Memphis any tax money this season.
This is true, but Pierce has a partially guaranteed contract next year. So not only does it save them money going forward, but his halfcourt game is probably better suited in Memphis.
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To me, bringing in R. Gay only makes sense if you are trading PP. I can't see him as a backup to Paul.
Since Memphis wants to cut salary swapping PP for RG doesn't help them with that. Would need to be a 3rd team involved unless they aren't counting on PP for the rest of his contract.
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Bradley, Green, Lee for Gay is a decent trade imo.
Pierce or Gay at SG?
If we do this trade, we lose a lot of depth. We should try to include Arthur/Ellington/Allen;) in exchange for a pick as well.
Getting Tony Allen back in a Gay deal would be awesome. Letting him walk cost us a title much more so than trading Perkins or losing any other player from the 2008 team.
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Honestly, something like this is what I'm hoping for. Will KG buy in? Will it work on the court? Who knows? But that, along with Bradley, Green, Sully, and Melo, is some very young talent to have going forward.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=akybyfp
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We don't need Rudy Gay. We need a big like Gortat, Nene, Okafor, Kaman, Varejao, or Millsap or even some not so great bigs like Haywood or Dalembert or Mullens
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We don't need Rudy Gay. We need a big like Gortat, Nene, Okafor, Kaman, Varejao, or Millsap or even some not so great bigs like Haywood or Dalembert or Mullens
The Celtics can use him right now to help the offense.
And he provides Rondo an actual go to scorer in the future.
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We don't need Rudy Gay. We need a big like Gortat, Nene, Okafor, Kaman, Varejao, or Millsap or even some not so great bigs like Haywood or Dalembert or Mullens
I agree. our best move is to get Gortat for bass and lee hopefully after jan. 15
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We don't need Rudy Gay. We need a big like Gortat, Nene, Okafor, Kaman, Varejao, or Millsap or even some not so great bigs like Haywood or Dalembert or Mullens
I agree. our best move is to get Gortat for bass and lee hopefully after jan. 15
But a Gay for Pierce trade would be independent of the one you proposed.
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We don't need Rudy Gay. We need a big like Gortat, Nene, Okafor, Kaman, Varejao, or Millsap or even some not so great bigs like Haywood or Dalembert or Mullens
I agree. our best move is to get Gortat for bass and lee hopefully after jan. 15
But are any of those big men available (or will be available)
If the Celtics can make a big move now that brings back an all-star level player for some of their depth, they need to take the chance.
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1. The chances of pawning Jeff Green’s terrible contract off on Memphis plummeted when Levien and Hollinger took on key decision-making roles. Finding a workable deal without Green’s contract is tricky.
The only thing I wanted was to pawn off Green's contract :(
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We don't need Rudy Gay. We need a big like Gortat, Nene, Okafor, Kaman, Varejao, or Millsap or even some not so great bigs like Haywood or Dalembert or Mullens
I agree. our best move is to get Gortat for bass and lee hopefully after jan. 15
But a Gay for Pierce trade would be independent of the one you proposed.
You are right you could trade pierce for gay and still trade lee and bass for Gortat.
Rondo/Barbosa
Bradley/terry
Pierce or Gay/green
Garnett/sully
Gortat/Collins
I kinda prefer to keep pierce though
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Lowe's point about salary issues is valid. The teams are not great trade partners without another team joining.
The most logical deal I can find is:
http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6194105
Boston adds a 1st round pick to Houston for taking Speights.
Memphis ~ Bass is an upgrade from Speights and makes comparable money. I don't think Hollinger likes Green much, but he makes half what Gay does and plays the same position.
My point: both Gay and Green's contracts are bad, but the former makes them a lux tax payer this summer. Memphis gets under the lux tax for this year by making this deal.
Boston ~ It's my belief they intend to put Pierce out to pasture this summer anyway...
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We don't need Rudy Gay. We need a big like Gortat, Nene, Okafor, Kaman, Varejao, or Millsap or even some not so great bigs like Haywood or Dalembert or Mullens
The Celtics can use him right now to help the offense.
And he provides Rondo an actual go to scorer in the future.
Does someone want to explain to me how Rudy Gay, a player who is a worse scorer and shooter and passer and defender than Paul Pierce and who plays on a team with a fairly good PG and other very good players, is going to make the Celtics better offensively than Paul Pierce?
I'm a bit confused. Pierce is shooting worse than he has in years and yet is still shooting better than Gay in every facet of the game and is scoring more points than Gay while playing 3 less minutes per game than Gay. How does that compute to helping the offense more than Pierce?
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We don't need Rudy Gay. We need a big like Gortat, Nene, Okafor, Kaman, Varejao, or Millsap or even some not so great bigs like Haywood or Dalembert or Mullens
The Celtics can use him right now to help the offense.
And he provides Rondo an actual go to scorer in the future.
Does someone want to explain to me how Rudy Gay, a player who is a worse scorer and shooter and passer and defender than Paul Pierce and who plays on a team with a fairly good PG and other very good players, is going to make the Celtics better offensively than Paul Pierce?
I'm a bit confused. Pierce is shooting worse than he has in years and yet is still shooting better than Gay in every facet of the game and is scoring more points than Gay while playing 3 less minutes per game than Gay. How does that compute to helping the offense more than Pierce?
Sounds like you're assuming they trade Pierce for Gay. What if they kept Pierce and traded for Gay?
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We don't need Rudy Gay. We need a big like Gortat, Nene, Okafor, Kaman, Varejao, or Millsap or even some not so great bigs like Haywood or Dalembert or Mullens
The Celtics can use him right now to help the offense.
And he provides Rondo an actual go to scorer in the future.
Does someone want to explain to me how Rudy Gay, a player who is a worse scorer and shooter and passer and defender than Paul Pierce and who plays on a team with a fairly good PG and other very good players, is going to make the Celtics better offensively than Paul Pierce?
I'm a bit confused. Pierce is shooting worse than he has in years and yet is still shooting better than Gay in every facet of the game and is scoring more points than Gay while playing 3 less minutes per game than Gay. How does that compute to helping the offense more than Pierce?
Sounds like you're assuming they trade Pierce for Gay. What if they kept Pierce and traded for Gay?
I expect Pierce to stay.
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I dont understand how the celtics are a "sensible candidate" in this discussion. Gay is a great player but two of our top four players both play SF. We need a big not another swing guy with a huge contract regardless of how good he can score.
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I dont understand how the celtics are a "sensible candidate" in this discussion. Gay is a great player but two of our top four players both play SF. We need a big not another swing guy with a huge contract regardless of how good he can score.
We do? Who are you talking about? I know our 3rd best player does. We also have a scrub with a starter's contract who does, but that doesn't now nor will it ever make him good.
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We don't need Rudy Gay. We need a big like Gortat, Nene, Okafor, Kaman, Varejao, or Millsap or even some not so great bigs like Haywood or Dalembert or Mullens
The Celtics can use him right now to help the offense.
And he provides Rondo an actual go to scorer in the future.
Does someone want to explain to me how Rudy Gay, a player who is a worse scorer and shooter and passer and defender than Paul Pierce and who plays on a team with a fairly good PG and other very good players, is going to make the Celtics better offensively than Paul Pierce?
I'm a bit confused. Pierce is shooting worse than he has in years and yet is still shooting better than Gay in every facet of the game and is scoring more points than Gay while playing 3 less minutes per game than Gay. How does that compute to helping the offense more than Pierce?
Easy, Rudy Gay is more athletic and can create his own shot. He can be an excellent partner with Rondo on the break. Pierce is on the decline and can only score off of down screens/spot up three's.
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This is a tough call for me, as I'm sure it is for many Cs fans. I never want to see Paul Pierce in another jersey. Period. And it's true, like Nick said, that even a struggling Pierce is still shooting better than Gay, overall and from 3. Plus, Pierce is battle-tested and has come up big in the clutch several times, and we'll need that in order to win a title this season.
I also agree with others here that this type of trade doesn't address our biggest need (another legit big), or even our second-biggest need (a backup PG), so why bother?
If we can trade from our surplus of 4s and 2s (namely Bass and Lee) for a legit defensive center (Gortat, Dalembert, or even Mozgov), and also get a decent backup point, we'll be all set.
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I dont understand how the celtics are a "sensible candidate" in this discussion. Gay is a great player but two of our top four players both play SF. We need a big not another swing guy with a huge contract regardless of how good he can score.
Because even if Green is the 4th best player on the Celtics (and I would be scared if he was), Gay is so much better.
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We don't need Rudy Gay. We need a big like Gortat, Nene, Okafor, Kaman, Varejao, or Millsap or even some not so great bigs like Haywood or Dalembert or Mullens
The Celtics can use him right now to help the offense.
And he provides Rondo an actual go to scorer in the future.
Does someone want to explain to me how Rudy Gay, a player who is a worse scorer and shooter and passer and defender than Paul Pierce and who plays on a team with a fairly good PG and other very good players, is going to make the Celtics better offensively than Paul Pierce?
I'm a bit confused. Pierce is shooting worse than he has in years and yet is still shooting better than Gay in every facet of the game and is scoring more points than Gay while playing 3 less minutes per game than Gay. How does that compute to helping the offense more than Pierce?
Easy, Rudy Gay is more athletic and can create his own shot. He can be an excellent partner with Rondo on the break. Pierce is on the decline and can only score off of down screens/spot up three's.
Except Doc doesn't believe in fastbreak basketball—I know he says he wants more of that, but we never see it. Rondo already has had running partners in Green, Lee, Wilcox, and Barbosa, but how often have we seen that? Not much. He also has Bradley back now, but I'm still not expecting to see much running, because Doc doesn't push the issue.
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Honestly, something like this is what I'm hoping for. Will KG buy in? Will it work on the court? Who knows? But that, along with Bradley, Green, Sully, and Melo, is some very young talent to have going forward.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=akybyfp
That's a sick trade, man. A Pierce replacement, a higher-scoring Rondo replacement, and a legit C? Kinda tempting.
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As a fan a Pierce for Gay deal hurts but it makes sense. At 26 with size and athleticism gay is a great fit running with Rondo. Unless Jeff Green steps up its clear that Gay is an upgrade over Green as our future starting 3.
I could see using Portland who is under the cap and talent starved helping facilitate a deal.
That would leave the Cs with Rondo, Avery and Gay as clear starters for the next 5+ years. Danny would still have to figure out the 4 and 5 position after KG retires. Hopefully Sully develops into the starting 4. Leaving the Cs with Bass, Lee , and Picks to try to find a starting center with.
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Honestly, something like this is what I'm hoping for. Will KG buy in? Will it work on the court? Who knows? But that, along with Bradley, Green, Sully, and Melo, is some very young talent to have going forward.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=akybyfp
That's a sick trade, man. A Pierce replacement, a higher-scoring Rondo replacement, and a legit C? Kinda tempting.
Yeah, I like it because it makes us very versatile, young, and extremely athletic. Bradley can cover the 1's on defense, while Evans handles the ball on offense. I think it gives us a better chance to win now and going forward.
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We don't need Rudy Gay. We need a big like Gortat, Nene, Okafor, Kaman, Varejao, or Millsap or even some not so great bigs like Haywood or Dalembert or Mullens
The Celtics can use him right now to help the offense.
And he provides Rondo an actual go to scorer in the future.
Does someone want to explain to me how Rudy Gay, a player who is a worse scorer and shooter and passer and defender than Paul Pierce and who plays on a team with a fairly good PG and other very good players, is going to make the Celtics better offensively than Paul Pierce?
I'm a bit confused. Pierce is shooting worse than he has in years and yet is still shooting better than Gay in every facet of the game and is scoring more points than Gay while playing 3 less minutes per game than Gay. How does that compute to helping the offense more than Pierce?
Easy, Rudy Gay is more athletic and can create his own shot. He can be an excellent partner with Rondo on the break. Pierce is on the decline and can only score off of down screens/spot up three's.
I have to agree with Nick on this. Rudy Gay is not better than Pierce. He doesn't score with the same ease and other than being younger and more athletic there's no real gain. A trade of Gay for Pierce would leave us right where we are if not worse(short-term) and make Memphis better.
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Why would Memphis do this isn't he one of their 1-2 3 punches aside Gasol and Conley or Z Bo??
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I think there's a very interested option where Gay goes to PHX, Gortat goes to BOS, Jason Terry and Jared Dudley go to Memphis, and the Grizzlies get under the lux tax this year and beyond (a key part of their reasoning):
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aaf8xkk
Deal solves major problems for all teams. Lee could be subbed in for Terry, though I'd prefer to keep him if one of the two is traded.
Not sure who says no...
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I think there's a very interested option where Gay goes to PHX, Gortat goes to BOS, Jason Terry and Jared Dudley go to Memphis, and the Grizzlies get under the lux tax this year and beyond (a key part of their reasoning):
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aaf8xkk
Deal solves major problems for all teams. Lee could be subbed in for Terry, though I'd prefer to keep him if one of the two is traded.
Not sure who says no...
It's a good idea, but I can 't imagine the Suns wanting to take on Rudy Gay's contract
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Pierce for Gay wouldn't get them under the tax this year, but he's only $5 mil guaranteed for next year, helping them to get out of the repeater penalties. Throw in Wilcox and Joseph (to be waived) in return for Arthur and they shave off $2 mil off this years bill and free up $3 mil more from next year's cap.
Not a big fan of Gay, but Rondo/Bradley/Gay is a pretty electric perimeter trio in terms of speed, defense and athleticism
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I think there's a very interested option where Gay goes to PHX, Gortat goes to BOS, Jason Terry and Jared Dudley go to Memphis, and the Grizzlies get under the lux tax this year and beyond (a key part of their reasoning):
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aaf8xkk
Deal solves major problems for all teams. Lee could be subbed in for Terry, though I'd prefer to keep him if one of the two is traded.
Not sure who says no...
It's a good idea, but I can 't imagine the Suns wanting to take on Rudy Gay's contract
Correct me if I'm wrong, but PHX has been looking for a star scorer for a while now, both to build around and to attract fans. Gay could be that player.
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I think there's a very interested option where Gay goes to PHX, Gortat goes to BOS, Jason Terry and Jared Dudley go to Memphis, and the Grizzlies get under the lux tax this year and beyond (a key part of their reasoning):
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aaf8xkk
Deal solves major problems for all teams. Lee could be subbed in for Terry, though I'd prefer to keep him if one of the two is traded.
Not sure who says no...
It's a good idea, but I can 't imagine the Suns wanting to take on Rudy Gay's contract
I know they're cost sensitive, but he sure seems like a darn good fit there.
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I think there's a very interested option where Gay goes to PHX, Gortat goes to BOS, Jason Terry and Jared Dudley go to Memphis, and the Grizzlies get under the lux tax this year and beyond (a key part of their reasoning):
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aaf8xkk
Deal solves major problems for all teams. Lee could be subbed in for Terry, though I'd prefer to keep him if one of the two is traded.
Not sure who says no...
It's a good idea, but I can 't imagine the Suns wanting to take on Rudy Gay's contract
Correct me if I'm wrong, but PHX has been looking for a star scorer for a while now, both to build around and to attract fans. Gay could be that player.
They did throw a lot of money at Eric Gordon, but I think Gay being that much older thurts.
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I think there's a very interested option where Gay goes to PHX, Gortat goes to BOS, Jason Terry and Jared Dudley go to Memphis, and the Grizzlies get under the lux tax this year and beyond (a key part of their reasoning):
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aaf8xkk
Deal solves major problems for all teams. Lee could be subbed in for Terry, though I'd prefer to keep him if one of the two is traded.
Not sure who says no...
Like the trade, I would figure Lee instead of Terry because his added size helps along with Dudly to fill gays role. I would also also offer wilcox and a 1st instead of melo.
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I think there's a very interested option where Gay goes to PHX, Gortat goes to BOS, Jason Terry and Jared Dudley go to Memphis, and the Grizzlies get under the lux tax this year and beyond (a key part of their reasoning):
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aaf8xkk
Deal solves major problems for all teams. Lee could be subbed in for Terry, though I'd prefer to keep him if one of the two is traded.
Not sure who says no...
It's a good idea, but I can 't imagine the Suns wanting to take on Rudy Gay's contract
Correct me if I'm wrong, but PHX has been looking for a star scorer for a while now, both to build around and to attract fans. Gay could be that player.
They did throw a lot of money at Eric Gordon, but I think Gay being that much older thurts.
He's 26, same age as Rondo. Gordon is 24.
I don't think age is an issue there.
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I think there's a very interested option where Gay goes to PHX, Gortat goes to BOS, Jason Terry and Jared Dudley go to Memphis, and the Grizzlies get under the lux tax this year and beyond (a key part of their reasoning):
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aaf8xkk
Deal solves major problems for all teams. Lee could be subbed in for Terry, though I'd prefer to keep him if one of the two is traded.
Not sure who says no...
It's a good idea, but I can 't imagine the Suns wanting to take on Rudy Gay's contract
Correct me if I'm wrong, but PHX has been looking for a star scorer for a while now, both to build around and to attract fans. Gay could be that player.
They did throw a lot of money at Eric Gordon, but I think Gay being that much older thurts.
2 years older? And 6 inches taller...
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What are your thoughts on this trade?
To Cleveland: Rudy Gay, Kris Joseph
To Boston: Anderson Varejao
To Memphis: Jason Terry, Alonzo Gee, Fab Melo, First from Boston
Get’s Memphis under the tax, gives them an athletic 3 to replace Gay and the 3 point shooter that they sorely need.
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What are your thoughts on this trade?
To Cleveland: Rudy Gay, Kris Joseph
To Boston: Anderson Varejao
To Memphis: Jason Terry, Alonzo Gee, Fab Melo, First from Boston
Get’s Memphis under the tax, gives them an athletic 3 to replace Gay and the 3 point shooter that they sorely need.
Watching their last game against us, I'd say Conley is filling that role just fine :P
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theyre not going to trade rudy gay for our garbage.
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I think there's a very interested option where Gay goes to PHX, Gortat goes to BOS, Jason Terry and Jared Dudley go to Memphis, and the Grizzlies get under the lux tax this year and beyond (a key part of their reasoning):
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aaf8xkk
Deal solves major problems for all teams. Lee could be subbed in for Terry, though I'd prefer to keep him if one of the two is traded.
Not sure who says no...
It's a good idea, but I can 't imagine the Suns wanting to take on Rudy Gay's contract
Correct me if I'm wrong, but PHX has been looking for a star scorer for a while now, both to build around and to attract fans. Gay could be that player.
They did throw a lot of money at Eric Gordon, but I think Gay being that much older thurts.
2 years older? And 6 inches taller...
If there where willing to pay Gordon they would be willing to pay Gay. He is the closest thing to a star they are going to be able to get with what they have to offer
There next problem is getting rid of beasley...
one other side note what would keep Memphis from just doing Gay for Dudly and Gortat? Giving them the best big man rotation in basketball?
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Why would Memphis do this isn't he one of their 1-2 3 punches aside Gasol and Conley or Z Bo??
Couple of reasons I would think:
Hollinger has some input in Memphis now and his beloved PER has Gay at only 15.4.
Gay is owed a lot of money going forward and the Grizz are a small market team.
They played well without Gay a couple of years ago. Without him, they defeated the Spurs in the 1st round and took the Thunder to 7 in the WCSF.
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I think there's a very interested option where Gay goes to PHX, Gortat goes to BOS, Jason Terry and Jared Dudley go to Memphis, and the Grizzlies get under the lux tax this year and beyond (a key part of their reasoning):
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aaf8xkk
Deal solves major problems for all teams. Lee could be subbed in for Terry, though I'd prefer to keep him if one of the two is traded.
Not sure who says no...
It's a good idea, but I can 't imagine the Suns wanting to take on Rudy Gay's contract
I can't see Gay or Green or someone like that heading Phoenix's way without them dumping Michael Beasley off on someone in the deal.
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I think there's a very interested option where Gay goes to PHX, Gortat goes to BOS, Jason Terry and Jared Dudley go to Memphis, and the Grizzlies get under the lux tax this year and beyond (a key part of their reasoning):
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aaf8xkk
Deal solves major problems for all teams. Lee could be subbed in for Terry, though I'd prefer to keep him if one of the two is traded.
Not sure who says no...
It's a good idea, but I can 't imagine the Suns wanting to take on Rudy Gay's contract
Correct me if I'm wrong, but PHX has been looking for a star scorer for a while now, both to build around and to attract fans. Gay could be that player.
They did throw a lot of money at Eric Gordon, but I think Gay being that much older thurts.
2 years older? And 6 inches taller...
If there where willing to pay Gordon they would be willing to pay Gay. He is the closest thing to a star they are going to be able to get with what they have to offer
There next problem is getting rid of beasley...
one other side note what would keep Memphis from just doing Gay for Dudly and Gortat? Giving them the best big man rotation in basketball?
Sure -- thought about that. And nothing really, besides that fact that:
1) Memphis boosts their overall shooting (a major need) by adding both a SG and a SF who can launch it.
2) Gortat would be annoyed to be a back-up, so they risk a locker room problem.
3) Phoenix can not get a prospect of the quality of Melo in return from Memphis. The Griz have junk for depth... which is why they need guys like Dudley and Terry / Lee.
4) This deal gives them a little more breathing room from the tax in case they need to make another transaction or two.
As for Beasley, they're stuck with him. I can't see how they avoid trading for a player at his position just because he's there.
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I don't see anyone from our roster that the Griz would like for them to trade us Rudy Gay.
Will they do Jeff Green and multiple picks???
Either way, we should focus on getting a big man instead. I'd love to have Gay here, but we have nothing of interest to Memphis.
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I don't see anyone from our roster that the Griz would like for them to trade us Rudy Gay.
Will they do Jeff Green and multiple picks???
Either way, we should focus on getting a big man instead. I'd love to have Gay here, but we have nothing of interest to Memphis.
Not with Hollinger in the front office
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Good read, especially when trying to analyze how Hollinger values Gay and others.
http://www.3sob.com/december-2012/whos-in-trouble/5425/
John Hollinger is assumed to have taken over the player evaluation chores especially after the sudden departure of the Grizzlies scouting team. Hand picked by owner Robert Pera and CEO Jason Levien, that isn’t much of a stretch to assume.
That could mean Hollinger, not Wallace, will be the trigger man for roster moves for the rest of the season.
Rudy Gay: Rudy is 11th in the league in scoring but that isn’t a major factor in the way Hollinger evaluates players. In Hollinger’s ranking Rudy is just a slightly above average SF who is paid to be a lot more. Rudy Gay comes in at 96th in the league under Hollinger’s PER rating. That’s behind Mike Conley (65), Zach Randolph (tied at 33) and Marc Gasol (24) who are all paid less than Rudy.
A major drawback to moving Rudy and his contract is that the Grizzlies are very thin at SF. Only Quincy Pondexter is capable of defending opposing SFs. A trade involving Rudy would seem to require someone in return who was not only less expensive but capable of playing the 3 under Lionel Hollins. If the team remains in the hunt for a home court playoff series it isn’t likely Hollinger would disrupt the front line.
Small Forwards who are higher rated than Rudy who could be available in a trade include Paul Pierce, Josh Smith and Memphis native Thaddeus Young as well as others.
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Pierce for Gay? OMG yes please
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We don't need Rudy Gay. We need a big like Gortat, Nene, Okafor, Kaman, Varejao, or Millsap or even some not so great bigs like Haywood or Dalembert or Mullens
The Celtics can use him right now to help the offense.
And he provides Rondo an actual go to scorer in the future.
Does someone want to explain to me how Rudy Gay, a player who is a worse scorer and shooter and passer and defender than Paul Pierce and who plays on a team with a fairly good PG and other very good players, is going to make the Celtics better offensively than Paul Pierce?
I'm a bit confused. Pierce is shooting worse than he has in years and yet is still shooting better than Gay in every facet of the game and is scoring more points than Gay while playing 3 less minutes per game than Gay. How does that compute to helping the offense more than Pierce?
Easy, Rudy Gay is more athletic and can create his own shot. He can be an excellent partner with Rondo on the break. Pierce is on the decline and can only score off of down screens/spot up three's.
Except Doc doesn't believe in fastbreak basketball—I know he says he wants more of that, but we never see it. Rondo already has had running partners in Green, Lee, Wilcox, and Barbosa, but how often have we seen that? Not much. He also has Bradley back now, but I'm still not expecting to see much running, because Doc doesn't push the issue.
You also can't run if you don't rebound the ball. The Celtics only have 2 good rebounding bigs - and one is limited by age, the other by inexperience and size.
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I'm surprised that Memphis is actually this willing to bet on a major roster change this much.
Anyway, Pierce for Gay straight up is probably a good deal for the Celtics. But it also means "Jeff Green is our future" talk gets in the trash bin, and with his trade value taking a dip, there is no way we are dumping Green at somewhere else for something good.
Not sure why the Grizzlies would want to replace Gay with Pierce, though. To be fair, Pierce is still the better player out of two at this late age, but he's probably going to retire if he gets traded midway through this campaign. Basically, Grizzlies would be rolling the dice with a roster including Pierce for a single off-season and see what happens.
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if you guys actually checks his numbers, he's really only a little bit better than jeff green. dont look at his plus minus. thats meaningless. look at his wins pers 48 mins position adjusted:
http://www.thenbageek.com/players/compare?utf8=%E2%9C%93&player_ids%5B%5D=13&player_ids%5B%5D=150 (http://www.thenbageek.com/players/compare?utf8=%E2%9C%93&player_ids%5B%5D=13&player_ids%5B%5D=150)
check that out and tell me rudy gay is worth 16 million a year??
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Pierce and Melo
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Gay and Speights (or Arthur)
Memphis gets a solid playoff tested veteran who is a better all around player (right now) and gets Memphis some cap relief this year (as well as in the future) and gives them a nice young prospect with a bigger upside than Speights or Arthur.
Boston get a younger more dynamic scorer on the wing and someone down low that is more capable of contributing this year.
Seems like a win for both teams.
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We don't need Rudy Gay. We need a big like Gortat, Nene, Okafor, Kaman, Varejao, or Millsap or even some not so great bigs like Haywood or Dalembert or Mullens
The Celtics can use him right now to help the offense.
And he provides Rondo an actual go to scorer in the future.
Does someone want to explain to me how Rudy Gay, a player who is a worse scorer and shooter and passer and defender than Paul Pierce and who plays on a team with a fairly good PG and other very good players, is going to make the Celtics better offensively than Paul Pierce?
I'm a bit confused. Pierce is shooting worse than he has in years and yet is still shooting better than Gay in every facet of the game and is scoring more points than Gay while playing 3 less minutes per game than Gay. How does that compute to helping the offense more than Pierce?
Easy, Rudy Gay is more athletic and can create his own shot. He can be an excellent partner with Rondo on the break. Pierce is on the decline and can only score off of down screens/spot up three's.
Except Doc doesn't believe in fastbreak basketball—I know he says he wants more of that, but we never see it. Rondo already has had running partners in Green, Lee, Wilcox, and Barbosa, but how often have we seen that? Not much. He also has Bradley back now, but I'm still not expecting to see much running, because Doc doesn't push the issue.
You also can't run if you don't rebound the ball. The Celtics only have 2 good rebounding bigs - and one is limited by age, the other by inexperience and size.
I agree, and maybe that does play into Doc's philosophy, but it seems as though we're not running much even when we do get defensive rebounds. Also, I've seen teams push it against Boston even after the Cs make a basket, but I don't see us ever trying that.
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I'm not feeling the idea of getting another highly overpaid player. A core of Rondo, Bradley, Gay and Green is a recipe for 30 wins per season, with no cap space to add an all star big and a starter quality big.
I'd rather ride it out with Pierce and KG and try to pry a Gortat level player. If the C's flame out, I wouldn't be surprised to see KG and PP hang it up at the end of the season.
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I'm not feeling the idea of getting another highly overpaid player. A core of Rondo, Bradley, Gay and Green is a recipe for 30 wins per season, with no cap space to add an all star big and a starter quality big.
I'd rather ride it out with Pierce and KG and try to pry a Gortat level player. If the C's flame out, I wouldn't be surprised to see KG and PP hang it up at the end of the season.
I agree with all of this. But I think the Cs have more than one glaring issue. Better defense from a big that can move KG back to the 4 should help get more transition buckets, but the Cs offense is scary -- bad enough that such an additional alone won't cure them... namely the fact that no one can get to the cup.
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/53247/the-celtics-lethal-inability-to-score
and
http://celticshub.com/2013/01/04/the-disturbing-decline-of-the-celtics-offense/
To be true contenders this year, I think they need more than one adjustment....
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We don't need Rudy Gay. We need a big like Gortat, Nene, Okafor, Kaman, Varejao, or Millsap or even some not so great bigs like Haywood or Dalembert or Mullens
The Celtics can use him right now to help the offense.
And he provides Rondo an actual go to scorer in the future.
Does someone want to explain to me how Rudy Gay, a player who is a worse scorer and shooter and passer and defender than Paul Pierce and who plays on a team with a fairly good PG and other very good players, is going to make the Celtics better offensively than Paul Pierce?
I'm a bit confused. Pierce is shooting worse than he has in years and yet is still shooting better than Gay in every facet of the game and is scoring more points than Gay while playing 3 less minutes per game than Gay. How does that compute to helping the offense more than Pierce?
Easy, Rudy Gay is more athletic and can create his own shot. He can be an excellent partner with Rondo on the break. Pierce is on the decline and can only score off of down screens/spot up three's.
Except Doc doesn't believe in fastbreak basketball—I know he says he wants more of that, but we never see it. Rondo already has had running partners in Green, Lee, Wilcox, and Barbosa, but how often have we seen that? Not much. He also has Bradley back now, but I'm still not expecting to see much running, because Doc doesn't push the issue.
You also can't run if you don't rebound the ball. The Celtics only have 2 good rebounding bigs - and one is limited by age, the other by inexperience and size.
I agree, and maybe that does play into Doc's philosophy, but it seems as though we're not running much even when we do get defensive rebounds. Also, I've seen teams push it against Boston even after the Cs make a basket, but I don't see us ever trying that.
I agree. And I can't put my finger on why. So far i think it is because running has to be a routine, second nature. And the C's don't get many opportunities. Barbosa is a black hole on the break. Green and Lee aren't that fast - more like just above average. Bradley is the only guy that can fly up the court at Rondo's pace. The team has a lot of mismatched parts, no go scoring, not enough quality in the front court, not enough rebounding. :(
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I'm not feeling the idea of getting another highly overpaid player. A core of Rondo, Bradley, Gay and Green is a recipe for 30 wins per season, with no cap space to add an all star big and a starter quality big.
I'd rather ride it out with Pierce and KG and try to pry a Gortat level player. If the C's flame out, I wouldn't be surprised to see KG and PP hang it up at the end of the season.
I agree with all of this. But I think the Cs have more than one glaring issue. Better defense from a big that can move KG back to the 4 should help get more transition buckets, but the Cs offense is scary -- bad enough that such an additional alone won't cure them... namely the fact that no one can get to the cup.
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/53247/the-celtics-lethal-inability-to-score
Yeah, the C's struggle to get open shots. Pierce loosing a step, and the loss of Ray's floor spacing has crippled the offense. :(
And from what i have seen from Gay, he is not a championship calibur go to scorer. He appears to be more like Joe Johnson, Ben Gordon (in his prime), Monta Ellis, etc.
My hope would be that 1 more quality big man, plus the integration of Bradley will get the Celtics back to a 60% winning team. From there KG and Pierce will have to dip back into the glory days bucket in order for the C's to make a run in the playoffs.
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I know this has almost zero possibility of happening; however, if u are going to blow up this incarnation of the c's, I think this is a great way to do it. 4 way trade (bos, mem, sac, tor). Really it's two separate trades. Part 1 is a derivative of bill Simmons proposal. part 2 is a straight up Pierce for Gay swap.
Boston gets: Evans Cousins Bargnani Lowry Gay
Mem gets: Pierce
Sac gets: Rondo Melo
Tor gets: Green Bradley
Picks may have to be thrown in to sweeten things, and Toronto may not want Green. But Danny could remake the team overnight with young athletic talent around KG.
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sorry if this link was already posted
Sources tell Grantland.com that Memphis has "made it known in preliminary talks with other teams that Rudy Gay could be available via trade."
The Grizzlies are 20-9 and Gay leads them in scoring at 18.0 points per game. But he's set to earn $37 million in the next two seasons and the Grizz are already $4 million over the luxury tax, hence the trade rumors. Still, we'd consider the odds of a deal going down very long. Teams won't be in a hurry to pay Gay's salary and the Grizz could very well decide to just saddle up and make a run at the title this year. They'll need their best pure scorer to do that.
Source: Grantland.com
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I know this has almost zero possibility of happening; however, if u are going to blow up this incarnation of the c's, I think this is a great way to do it. 4 way trade (bos, mem, sac, tor). Really it's two separate trades. Part 1 is a derivative of bill Simmons proposal. part 2 is a straight up Pierce for Gay swap.
Boston gets: Evans Cousins Bargnani Lowry Gay
Mem gets: Pierce
Sac gets: Rondo Melo
Tor gets: Green Bradley
Picks may have to be thrown in to sweeten things, and Toronto may not want Green. But Danny could remake the team overnight with young athletic talent around KG.
This is the most interesting blow up scenario, for sure. Can't see it happening, but I loved the idea. TP :)
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Wow, this surprises me
Memphis has one of the best cores in the NBA...can't believe they'd be looking to break that up because of money.
Well anyway, I think Rudy would fit like a glove with what the Celtics need. An athletic wing, effective shooter, young and athletic who could help the Celts for the short term and long-tern.
Remember, this is what Jeff Green was suppose to be, but he's not even in Rudy's league.
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I know this has almost zero possibility of happening; however, if u are going to blow up this incarnation of the c's, I think this is a great way to do it. 4 way trade (bos, mem, sac, tor). Really it's two separate trades. Part 1 is a derivative of bill Simmons proposal. part 2 is a straight up Pierce for Gay swap.
Boston gets: Evans Cousins Bargnani Lowry Gay
Mem gets: Pierce
Sac gets: Rondo Melo
Tor gets: Green Bradley
Picks may have to be thrown in to sweeten things, and Toronto may not want Green. But Danny could remake the team overnight with young athletic talent around KG.
This is the most interesting blow up scenario, for sure. Can't see it happening, but I loved the idea. TP :)
That's blowing it up but that team would stink! 7-8 seed possible lottery team.
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What are your thoughts on this trade?
To Cleveland: Rudy Gay, Kris Joseph
To Boston: Anderson Varejao
To Memphis: Jason Terry, Alonzo Gee, Fab Melo, First from Boston
Get’s Memphis under the tax, gives them an athletic 3 to replace Gay and the 3 point shooter that they sorely need.
I almost like it. I don't like giving up Terry. His 3 point shot is going to be too important should the Celtics make the playoffs.
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The quickness, athleticism and defensive energy of a Rajon Rondo + Avery Bradley + Rudy Gay perimeter trio would be a sight to see.
That defensive quickness would be exceptional.
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Pierce is better than Rudy Gay.
General rule of thumb for trades acquire THE best player in the trade. In this case Celtics will giving away the unequivocal best player in the trade.
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I don't think Hollinger is as tied to PER as many people believe.
I think that ESPN was tied to PER and that PER was a simple statistic that was easy for general readership to grasp and understand.
I think Hollinger has a much more varied mind when it comes to these things. I have vague memories of Hollinger talking about the limitations of PER as well as saying he wasn't able to put more complex mathematical analysis onto ESPN. That his role there and the role of PER was more of an introduction of mathematical analysis and basketball into mainstream media.
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What are your thoughts on this trade?
To Cleveland: Rudy Gay, Kris Joseph
To Boston: Anderson Varejao
To Memphis: Jason Terry, Alonzo Gee, Fab Melo, First from Boston
Get’s Memphis under the tax, gives them an athletic 3 to replace Gay and the 3 point shooter that they sorely need.
I almost like it. I don't like giving up Terry. His 3 point shot is going to be too important should the Celtics make the playoffs.
Thanks, Terry seems to need people to create for him at this point. I feel like we would be OK without him. I think Lee and Bradley will eventually hit and they can spread the floor.
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How about this trade?
To Boston: Gortat
To Phoenix: Rudy Gay, Jason Collins
To Memphis: Jason Terry, Jared Dudley and a first.
Or
To Boston: Paul Milsap
To Utah: Rudy Gay
To Memphis: Jason Terry, Mo Williams, Fab Melo, Kris Joseph
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No way Mem trades Gay. They're playing as good a ball as anyone, scary team to face in the playoffs.
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Rudy and Tony for Bradley, Lee, Bass and Green
Tony replaces Bradley and Gay or Pierce start at SG
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I don't think Hollinger is as tied to PER as many people believe.
I think that ESPN was tied to PER and that PER was a simple statistic that was easy for general readership to grasp and understand.
I think Hollinger has a much more varied mind when it comes to these things. I have vague memories of Hollinger talking about the limitations of PER as well as saying he wasn't able to put more complex mathematical analysis onto ESPN. That his role there and the role of PER was more of an introduction of mathematical analysis and basketball into mainstream media.
Good news is it's very simple to see what Hollinger thinks of every player in the NBA. Bad news is he doesn't think much of our mid-level vet crew.
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Pierce is better than Rudy Gay.
General rule of thumb for trades acquire THE best player in the trade. In this case Celtics will giving away the unequivocal best player in the trade.
Except Pierce is an old man on the downswing. He could outperform Gay this year and then give Memphis the flexibility of an affordable buyout next year if that ends up being their direction. Would be a great move for Boston to get Pierce's younger replacement like that.
You've got to figure age and contract in the equation as well.
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I know this has almost zero possibility of happening; however, if u are going to blow up this incarnation of the c's, I think this is a great way to do it. 4 way trade (bos, mem, sac, tor). Really it's two separate trades. Part 1 is a derivative of bill Simmons proposal. part 2 is a straight up Pierce for Gay swap.
Boston gets: Evans Cousins Bargnani Lowry Gay
Mem gets: Pierce
Sac gets: Rondo Melo
Tor gets: Green Bradley
Picks may have to be thrown in to sweeten things, and Toronto may not want Green. But Danny could remake the team overnight with young athletic talent around KG.
This is the most interesting blow up scenario, for sure. Can't see it happening, but I loved the idea. TP :)
That's blowing it up but that team would stink! 7-8 seed possible lottery team.
You mean like Boston is right now anyway.
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Memphis would be better off moving one of D.Arthur or M.Speights in order to get under the luxury tax threshold than moving Rudy Gay.
That is the way I expect them to go unless someone makes a great offer. Gives them real value for Rudy Gay. Too good a player to move in a salary dump especially for a team so close to title-contention.
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Memphis would be better off moving one of D.Arthur or M.Speights in order to get under the luxury tax threshold than moving Rudy Gay.
That is the way I expect them to go unless someone makes a great offer. Gives them real value for Rudy Gay. Too good a player to move in a salary dump especially for a team so close to title-contention.
I was thinking the same thing. It literally makes no sense for a team as good as Memphis to trade a player as good as Rudy Gay.
It's almost like the new strategy is becoming to suck as much as possible instead of being good (lol.) Who does that benefit?
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Gay really isn't all that good though. He's never been an efficient scorer or a playmaker and his defense is underwhelming. He's not even close to deserving the max contract he has. A max contract! It's ridiculous.
Gay's like a slightly better version of Green. No way should the Celtics be interested.
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The Grizzlies "have made inquiries" on Tyreke Evans, according to the Sacramento Bee.
Evans' future with the Kings is uncertain as he'll be a restricted free agent at the end of the season, and this isn't the first time we've heard him in a trade rumor. Grantland's Zach Lowe takes it a step further by suggesting Evans could be dealt to Memphis in a potential Rudy Gay deal, but there is absolutely nothing to suggest that a trade of either player is remotely close.
Source: Sacramento Bee Jan 11 - 8:20 AM
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Memphis would be better off moving one of D.Arthur or M.Speights in order to get under the luxury tax threshold than moving Rudy Gay.
That is the way I expect them to go unless someone makes a great offer. Gives them real value for Rudy Gay. Too good a player to move in a salary dump especially for a team so close to title-contention.
The way I see it, the only way this happens is if they trade Speights and a 1st to Houston for essentially nothing back.
I'd imagine they've already had that conversation with Morey -- no?
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Memphis would be better off moving one of D.Arthur or M.Speights in order to get under the luxury tax threshold than moving Rudy Gay.
That is the way I expect them to go unless someone makes a great offer. Gives them real value for Rudy Gay. Too good a player to move in a salary dump especially for a team so close to title-contention.
Yeah, if getting under the tax threshold was their main concern, I agree. But I think they also just don't love Gay at that kind of money. He certainly doesn't seem like a Hollinger type guy to me, and never seemed like a favorite of Wallace either.
I think they will likely end up keeping him, when they realize they can't get a whole lot for him. But, I think the idea that they were looking for a guy like Dudley is telling. Basically, they think he can be replaced by a much cheaper player. And I am not sure I disagree, at least on their roster, which is predicated on pounding the ball down low, and then having shooters on the perimeter, and very tough, physical, defense.
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Memphis would be better off moving one of D.Arthur or M.Speights in order to get under the luxury tax threshold than moving Rudy Gay.
That is the way I expect them to go unless someone makes a great offer. Gives them real value for Rudy Gay. Too good a player to move in a salary dump especially for a team so close to title-contention.
Yeah, if getting under the tax threshold was their main concern, I agree. But I think they also just don't love Gay at that kind of money. He certainly doesn't seem like a Hollinger type guy to me, and never seemed like a favorite of Wallace either.
I think they will likely end up keeping him, when they realize they can't get a whole lot for him. But, I think the idea that they were looking for a guy like Dudley is telling. Basically, they think he can be replaced by a much cheaper player. And I am not sure I disagree, at least on their roster, which is predicated on pounding the ball down low, and then having shooters on the perimeter, and very tough, physical, defense.
i agree with your POV on Hollinger et al's perspective on a player like Dudley by comparison to Gay -- it makes all kinds of sense.
problem: the only deal i think makes sense for MEM without a 3rd team is Dudley, Johnson and change for Gay. and presumably, PHX wants to send salary out with Dudley, i.e. Beasley, Frye or Gortat.
hard to see MEM taking either of the first two. the only one they'd take is Gortat, but they'd want to send him to a 3rd team in exchange for shooting, I'd assume.
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The Scoops: Wolves quickly rejected trade offer for Memphis' Rudy Gay
One minute after free agency began in July 2010, Minnesota Timberwolves president of basketball operations David Kahn reached out to the Octagon basketball group to arrange for a face-to-face visit with restricted free agent forward Rudy Gay.
A visit was agreed upon, but before Gay got on a flight for Minneapolis, he re-signed with Memphis for five years and $80 million.
Two-and-a-half years later, Gay is readily available -- mostly because the Grizzlies, barring a trade of either him or another high-priced player, will be in luxury tax purgatory.
So, this is Kahn's chance to land a player he has long coveted. But according to a league source, he turned down a trade proposal from Memphis for Gay recently.
In fact, the source insists Kahn said no immediately. It's unknown what Memphis' idea was, but since it was turned down emphatically, logic suggests it involved All-Star Kevin Love and/or center Nikola Pekovic. It's possible three- or four-team trade scenarios were discussed, too.
Until Gay is moved -- which is not a given, even though Memphis is calling many teams -- the Wolves are worth monitoring. The source said the Wolves like him, but the 2˝ years and approximately $45 million remaining on Gay's contract is an issue.
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i agree with your POV on Hollinger et al's perspective on a player like Dudley by comparison to Gay -- it makes all kinds of sense.
And if Hollinger weren't the one behind it, I'd imagine there'd be more incredulousness over trading Gay. I mean, Gay isn't worth a max contract but Memphis is thisclose to possibly winning a title and you're going to trade away your best one-on-one, get-his-own-shot scorer? Swap Gay for Dudley and Memphis essentially becomes the Houston Texans of the NBA, a team that's built to win in only one way and has no back-up plan for when that doesn't work.
Mike
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i agree with your POV on Hollinger et al's perspective on a player like Dudley by comparison to Gay -- it makes all kinds of sense.
And if Hollinger weren't the one behind it, I'd imagine there'd be more incredulousness over trading Gay. I mean, Gay isn't worth a max contract but Memphis is thisclose to possibly winning a title and you're going to trade away your best one-on-one, get-his-own-shot scorer? Swap Gay for Dudley and Memphis essentially becomes the Houston Texans of the NBA, a team that's built to win in only one way and has no back-up plan for when that doesn't work.
Mike
Agreed. Trading Gay now when they are playing their best basketball is just not a great idea from my eyes.
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i agree with your POV on Hollinger et al's perspective on a player like Dudley by comparison to Gay -- it makes all kinds of sense.
And if Hollinger weren't the one behind it, I'd imagine there'd be more incredulousness over trading Gay. I mean, Gay isn't worth a max contract but Memphis is thisclose to possibly winning a title and you're going to trade away your best one-on-one, get-his-own-shot scorer? Swap Gay for Dudley and Memphis essentially becomes the Houston Texans of the NBA, a team that's built to win in only one way and has no back-up plan for when that doesn't work.
Mike
Agreed. Trading Gay now when they are playing their best basketball is just not a great idea from my eyes.
I have no problem with this perspective, but it's moot: The Grizzlies are clearly very open to trading Gay for reasons that include -- but are far from exclusive to -- how they're playing.
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I've yet to hear the rationale for trading Rudy Gay. Can someone please explain what the reasoning is? For the life of me I can't understand why they are shopping him. I don't follow the Grizz closely but isn't he a top 2 talent on that team? How does this possibly help their chances? As a small market team you can't afford to throw title opportunities out the window. You have to milk them as long as possible because they may never return. Hollinger might be playing his "computer games" here but ball is played on the court, and Rudy Gay can ball.
Remember when Danny signed Scal because he had the same brain type as a Michael Jordan and Larry Bird? I think advanced stats have a place in the game, but they're not the whole story.
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I've yet to hear the rationale for trading Rudy Gay. Can someone please explain what the reasoning is? For the life of me I can't understand why they are shopping him. I don't follow the Grizz closely but isn't he a top 2 talent on that team? How does this possibly help their chances? As a small market team you can't afford to throw title opportunities out the window. You have to milk them as long as possible because they may never return. Hollinger might be playing his "computer games" here but ball is played on the court, and Rudy Gay can ball.
Remember when Danny signed Scal because he had the same brain type as a Michael Jordan and Larry Bird? I think advanced stats have a place in the game, but they're not the whole story.
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Gay really isn't all that good though. He's never been an efficient scorer or a playmaker and his defense is underwhelming. He's not even close to deserving the max contract he has. A max contract! It's ridiculous.
Gay's like a slightly better version of Green. No way should the Celtics be interested.
^ This.
If Rudy can keep up the production he had in 10-11, he would be a good starting-caliber player. However, the way he has been playing this season has been pretty bad. Bench-level production.
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I've yet to hear the rationale for trading Rudy Gay. Can someone please explain what the reasoning is? For the life of me I can't understand why they are shopping him. I don't follow the Grizz closely but isn't he a top 2 talent on that team? How does this possibly help their chances? As a small market team you can't afford to throw title opportunities out the window. You have to milk them as long as possible because they may never return. Hollinger might be playing his "computer games" here but ball is played on the court, and Rudy Gay can ball.
Remember when Danny signed Scal because he had the same brain type as a Michael Jordan and Larry Bird? I think advanced stats have a place in the game, but they're not the whole story.
For financial reasons, but I don't think he'll be traded just for the sake of being traded, I don't think Memphis is in any hurry, and they'd be just as happy by staying pat for the time being. But if there's someone out there with cheaper contracts who can provide something that resembles equal value, then they'll go for it.
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I knew 2 years ago , like OKC ,they had way too many "EXPENSIVE" players they were going to command hi salaries. Thats fine if your the Lakers and can afford pay the price for spending too much money.
Too many Hi quality players that are now deveopled and starting quality are being under paid .... equals having to dump some .
Once the players are off their rookie salaries , and you gotta payem to stay ..like OKC ..you gotta make choices.
These teams that are "NEW" get all the good young draft picks , then they also have to pay them eventually or dump them .
IMO they aren't going to be able to keep all these guys and match salaries... like ASIK, LEE, HILBERT , when the contract time comes up they are toast. Great young players bring TONS of money.
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Add the Washington Wizards to the list of teams that are in the mix for the services of Grizzlies small forward Rudy Gay, according to a league source. Not clear on what the Wizards' offer might be but was told it was "a good one."
- Ric Bucher
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Add the Washington Wizards to the list of teams that are in the mix for the services of Grizzlies small forward Rudy Gay, according to a league source. Not clear on what the Wizards' offer might be but was told it was "a good one."
- Ric Bucher
Bradley Beal + Trevor Ariza + cap filler
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Memphis kill their playoffs run
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Add the Washington Wizards to the list of teams that are in the mix for the services of Grizzlies small forward Rudy Gay, according to a league source. Not clear on what the Wizards' offer might be but was told it was "a good one."
- Ric Bucher
Bradley Beal + Trevor Ariza + cap filler
That was about my first thought, but man that'd be giving up on a 3rd pick pretty quick.
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Add the Washington Wizards to the list of teams that are in the mix for the services of Grizzlies small forward Rudy Gay, according to a league source. Not clear on what the Wizards' offer might be but was told it was "a good one."
- Ric Bucher
Bradley Beal + Trevor Ariza + cap filler
That was about my first thought, but man that'd be giving up on a 3rd pick pretty quick.
Vessely plays sf and works as a cap filler
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Stan Van Gundy on Rudy Gay trade rumors: "What surprises me is whan a team doesn't realize this is what they've been building for."
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I actually thought of the Wizards but couldn't come up with an offer that made sense. They might have to wait a year for Okafor/Ariza to become expirings, for whatever that's worth.
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I've yet to hear the rationale for trading Rudy Gay. Can someone please explain what the reasoning is? For the life of me I can't understand why they are shopping him. I don't follow the Grizz closely but isn't he a top 2 talent on that team? How does this possibly help their chances? As a small market team you can't afford to throw title opportunities out the window. You have to milk them as long as possible because they may never return. Hollinger might be playing his "computer games" here but ball is played on the court, and Rudy Gay can ball.
Remember when Danny signed Scal because he had the same brain type as a Michael Jordan and Larry Bird? I think advanced stats have a place in the game, but they're not the whole story.
Traditional stats aren't kind to him either. He's providing 17.8 points from his 16.6 shots. Maybe it's just a down year but he's only provided 17.9 points on 15.2 for his career. You don't need an "advanced" breakdown to know those aren't good numbers. He's averaging 2.5 assists a game--that's not good either. His career average is 2 assist a game so he's never been a consistent playmaker. Defense is more scouting and video based and based on those, apparently he's rated as a very good defender this year.
Overall, he is not worth his contract. I don't think Memphis is trying to deal him to save money. I think it's very possible they think they could be a better team without him in the short and long term. It's not far fetched at all.
I'd say Gasol, Randolph, Allen and Conley are all more important players than Gay.
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Gallinari and Mozgov for Gay could really make sense for both teams.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=9tcl4o2
The deal works and Gay is perfect for Denver's systems. They need a go to scorer and he fits the bill. Him and Igoudala on the break would be nasty.
Gallo could space the floor and provide a solid third/fourth option for Memphis. It almost takes Memphis out of the tax this year and Mozgov is expiring too. Could be bought out to save a little more money.
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Gallinari and Mozgov for Gay could really make sense for both teams.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=9tcl4o2
The deal works and Gay is perfect for Denver's systems. They need a go to scorer and he fits the bill. Him and Igoudala on the break would be nasty.
Gallo could space the floor and provide a solid third/fourth option for Memphis. It takes Memphis out of the tax this year and Mozgov is expiring too. Could be bought out to save a little more money.
I like that idea.
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Add the Washington Wizards to the list of teams that are in the mix for the services of Grizzlies small forward Rudy Gay, according to a league source. Not clear on what the Wizards' offer might be but was told it was "a good one."
- Ric Bucher
Bradley Beal + Trevor Ariza + cap filler
That would be pretty terrible if they give up Beal for Gay. But I could still see it.
Based on the rumors of what the price may be for Gay, I would say something along the lines of Ariza, Vesely, and Singleton for Gay. Maybe throw in a protected first as well.
That gives Memphis a veteran wing who can step in immediately, and may actually be a good fit in their defensive minded system in Ariza. A SF of the future in Singleton, and a talented young big man in Vesely.
I think that is the kind of deal that can keep Memphis in the hunt in the playoffs, while still getting them out from under Gay's contract, and getting them under the tax line.
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According to a person with knowledge of those conversations, Gay is likely to remain a Grizzly through the end of this season. The message to Gay at the moment is that if he is dealt by the league's Feb. 21 trade deadline, then the Griz will have been offered a no-brainer scenario.
For example, the Griz have entertained the Washington Wizards' offer for Gay. The crux of that exchange would have the Griz receiving rookie shooting guard Bradley Beal in a larger package. The proposals for Randolph have been even weaker.
None of the potential deals has merit because they aren't believed to be strong enough to keep the Griz on their current pace.
Link (http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2013/jan/13/memphis-grizzlies-management-remains-mum-as-blow/)
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According to a person with knowledge of those conversations, Gay is likely to remain a Grizzly through the end of this season. The message to Gay at the moment is that if he is dealt by the league's Feb. 21 trade deadline, then the Griz will have been offered a no-brainer scenario.
For example, the Griz have entertained the Washington Wizards' offer for Gay. The crux of that exchange would have the Griz receiving rookie shooting guard Bradley Beal in a larger package. The proposals for Randolph have been even weaker.
None of the potential deals has merit because they aren't believed to be strong enough to keep the Griz on their current pace.
Link (http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2013/jan/13/memphis-grizzlies-management-remains-mum-as-blow/)
Teams won't be putting their best offers on the table until around deadline day though. If a deal does get done it will more then likely be a few weeks from now around the All-Star Break. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if he was, or wasn't, traded.
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Bradley Beal hasn't been mentioned in trade talks between the Washington Wizards and Memphis Grizzlies centering on Rudy Gay, according to agent Mark Bartelstein.
”I’ve talked to both teams. There is absolutely nothing to it,” Bartelstein said.
“The Wizards have made it very clear that they are not moving Brad Beal.”
A report had stated on Monday that the Grizzlies have "entertained" an offer from the Wizards that includes Beal.
One source with knowledge of the Wizards' thinking called the report: "100 percent not true."
Via Michael Lee/Washington Post
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Getting Gay would be a tremendous addition for this roster. He could provide more than the offensive power we currently hold. Plus, he would perfectly fit as our future SF.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=abgkyz7
Mozgov could be the big we may have with this deal. Watching the recently concluded Olympics, he moved so well as Russia's big man. He performed so well as their center.
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Getting Gay would be a tremendous addition for this roster. He could provide more than the offensive power we currently hold. Plus, he would perfectly fit as our future SF.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=abgkyz7
Mozgov could be the big we may have with this deal. Watching the recently concluded Olympics, he moved so well as Russia's big man. He performed so well as their center.
That trade isn't half-bad. However I'd think Memphis would like to get rid of some more money while dealing Gay.
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Getting Gay would be a tremendous addition for this roster. He could provide more than the offensive power we currently hold. Plus, he would perfectly fit as our future SF.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=abgkyz7
Mozgov could be the big we may have with this deal. Watching the recently concluded Olympics, he moved so well as Russia's big man. He performed so well as their center.
That trade isn't half-bad. However I'd think Memphis would like to get rid of some more money while dealing Gay.
Agree. Memphis, though, could keep Green and move the other 2 later on. They would have more flexibility going forward than keeping one monster contract (16.5 M) for 3 years.