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Re-sign him at a price over $14 mill. He does a lot for the team
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Too much money. The Limited offense isn't worth this much
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Re: Smart to ESPN: "i'm worth more than $14 mill a year" Goner?
« Reply #105 on: May 28, 2018, 02:06:35 PM »

Offline libermaniac

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Smart is a horrendous shooter. But at 35% on 10 shots a game he’s really only
missing one extra shot a game over a respectable shooter. I think his defense, toughness and opportunistic play more than makes up for that one extra miss. That said, he’s not worth $14 million. To me $10 is more like it.

Re: Smart to ESPN: "i'm worth more than $14 mill a year" Goner?
« Reply #106 on: May 28, 2018, 02:07:03 PM »

Offline Boris Badenov

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I will say one of the most encouraging things from this series was the way Smart was used out of the post occasionally. He seemed to be effective there. I've long thought that would be the best way to make him a passable offensive threat.

Re: Smart to ESPN: "i'm worth more than $14 mill a year" Goner?
« Reply #107 on: May 28, 2018, 02:15:26 PM »

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Not sure how anyone who focuses on Smarts “intangible” plays, never realizes that the reality is that his poor shooting percentages and turnovers outweigh the handful of gritty plays he makes to create a second chance or steal.

His shooting is that bad, that 9 tomes out of 10, it is a mulligan at best in my eyes. The games that we barely win by because of one or two “Marcus Smart heads up plays” would have been easy wins if the missed/forced shots went to other players who can actually make them consistently.

There isn’t ome Celtics fan out there who doesn’t cringe/shout out loud “Nooooo” every time Smart catches a pass in a set position behind the 3-pt line. Admit it!

How then, are we talking about throwing even TEN million a year for a player that is such an offensive liability?

I’m sure Smart will get a $14 million/yr offer, but it will be from a team like Sacramento or Atlanta who actually REPEL the top free-agents in the league, and have to settle for over-paying the mediocrity of the league.

Sacramento already has Fox and Hield.  Atlanta could be a possible destination if Schroeder is traded

I think the Magic for some reason will pursue Smart. Along with Thomas

I wouldn’t argue that. My point was more that there is no way a contending team is going to pay much more than what we offer him after Ainge initially offers the QO and his agent rejects it.

If the Celtics offer him 2 years at 22, to give him a chance to improve his shooting and get a legit long-term deal, and he goes and takes 3 years at 38 million from Utah, well, good for Marcus. I don’t see anything from his body of work that suggests that we should expect significant improvements to his shooting percentages or form.

In reality though, yeah, I think Orlando is another great example of a bottom feeder with no stars or
current free agent appeal, that can/will be the type of team Smart gets a more “max offer” from. If he takes/gets an offer of 4-years/60 million from ORL, and I’m his agent......shoot im telling him, “If you want to set yourself up for life right now, you better [dang] sign that deal before they change their mind!” If playing for a title or two and building his long-term value in exchange for a home-town discount appeals to him, then I say offer him 2 years $22 million at the most.

Kyries deal expires then, and if Smart truly improves then there is an option to re-sign him and have Rozier locked in if Kyrie tries to up and leave...

Re: Smart to ESPN: "i'm worth more than $14 mill a year" Goner?
« Reply #108 on: May 28, 2018, 02:16:02 PM »

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Then don't ask for the brinks truck. Haven't you learned your lesson from watching Isaiah Thomas, Marcus?


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Re: Smart to ESPN: "i'm worth more than $14 mill a year" Goner?
« Reply #109 on: May 28, 2018, 02:27:37 PM »

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Will this help Danny be comfortable in matching that price point?

https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2018/05/17/celtics-co-owner-wyc-grousbeck-ready-to/

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For those that were concerned that the frugal Bostonians heading the Boston Celtics front office would be reluctant to pay the price of keeping their deep and talented core in tact, there’s no need. On Wednesday, Celtics co-owner Wycliffe Grousbeck appeared on 98.5 The Sports Hub and, when asked if the Celtics will pay deep into the luxury tax to keep theteam together in the future, said he’s hoping to “pay for performance” and “we are prepared to do whatever it takes to win again”.
We really do have great ownership.  'Fireworks' aside - I don't think Wyc & co get the credit they deserve for putting this organization together.

Re: Smart to ESPN: "i'm worth more than $14 mill a year" Goner?
« Reply #110 on: May 28, 2018, 02:51:07 PM »

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Frankly, I cringe anytime somebody other than Tatum steps up to the 3P line and bombs a 3.
They really don't have any 3P specialists. That was evident last night. They have guys shooting the 3 who shouldn't be. And that will bite you eventually. They sure did miss Irving last night!

As for Smart, he is Mr Toughness, and worth something for that. I don't think he was the reason they lost last night. It was more Rozier and Brown having poor offensive games. Plus the Coach did not have a good tactical game.

My guess Smart will wind up elsewhere, because Ainge is working on a tight budget and Smart isn't about to take home team discounts.

Re: Smart to ESPN: "i'm worth more than $14 mill a year" Goner?
« Reply #111 on: May 28, 2018, 03:07:38 PM »

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Remember, we have serious draft assets tee'd up the next 3 years, and as others have pointed out, we've reached the phase where other players suddenly want to do cheap one year deals with us to get a shot at a title. We will have talent coming in waves, with discounts built in.

The only way to screw this up is to overpay our second tier players.

Re: Smart to ESPN: "i'm worth more than $14 mill a year" Goner?
« Reply #112 on: May 28, 2018, 03:25:49 PM »

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Remember, we have serious draft assets tee'd up the next 3 years, and as others have pointed out, we've reached the phase where other players suddenly want to do cheap one year deals with us to get a shot at a title. We will have talent coming in waves, with discounts built in.

The only way to screw this up is to overpay our second tier players.
Just curious who some of those players might be (this upcoming year, of course)? This is dependent on Smart & Baynes leaving. We could also trade ScaryTerry. We'll have Morris and Theis as solid contributors and likely Rozier stays if Smart goes. So we have maybe 2 spots open for these talents coming in waves. We just need one wave with two surfers on it for now. Who are the most logical and realistic? Wrong thread maybe, for sure, for this discussion.

Re: Smart to ESPN: "i'm worth more than $14 mill a year" Goner?
« Reply #113 on: May 28, 2018, 03:30:26 PM »

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I love smart, and I hope he is back next year.  But I hope it is for the qualifying offer.  We can see how things work out next year by bringing everyone back and then make needed changes the following year when our Sac pick hopefully hits top 5 and then we are forced to consolidate.

Re: Smart to ESPN: "i'm worth more than $14 mill a year" Goner?
« Reply #114 on: May 28, 2018, 03:36:59 PM »

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Outside of a suck bag team like Orlando or Atlanta, I do t see who offers Smart that much money. I guess it could happen but I have my doubts anyone offers that much.

Re: Smart to ESPN: "i'm worth more than $14 mill a year" Goner?
« Reply #115 on: May 28, 2018, 03:38:29 PM »

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There are always Igoudalas, Livingstons, Boguts, JR Smiths, Iman Shumperts, Tristan Thompsons, Mike Millers, Richard Jeffersons, Jason Terry, Caron Butler, Jason Kidd, Shawn Marion ...

And on, and on it goes.

Every championship team has mid-tier players on sizable contracts. The question isn't whether or not we should/will eventually have them.

There are three real questions about that:1) Is Smart a contending team's mid tier player? 2) Do the Celtics have their cornerstones locked in? 3) Are there other players that can fulfill Smart's role in different ways?

Smart's play-making and ball-handling will be absolutely unnecessary on this team next year.
Smart's versatility on defense will be absolutely unnecessary on this team neat year (quite possibly the most versatile team of all time).
Smart's defense will be missed, but with Brown and Tatum blossoming, Hayward coming back, and CBS to find pieces to plug into a 3/d role (Byrd? Ojeleye? etc.), they can make up for pretty much all of his defensive abilities.

The hustle will be missed, but that can be made up for competitive spirit (Brown, Rozier).
The timely plays will be missed, but that can be made up for with high IQ basketball.

He might be a solid mid-tier player to have, but the Cs are overflowing with legit talent. Overpaying is not necessary.

Re: Smart to ESPN: "i'm worth more than $14 mill a year" Goner?
« Reply #116 on: May 28, 2018, 03:41:45 PM »

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No matter what we do we won't have cap room so we should sign him and pay the tax. Last time I checked we don't receive any money in the mail from Wyc if he dodges the tax.
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Re: Smart to ESPN: "i'm worth more than $14 mill a year" Goner?
« Reply #117 on: May 28, 2018, 03:51:36 PM »

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Frankly, I cringe anytime somebody other than Tatum steps up to the 3P line and bombs a 3.
They really don't have any 3P specialists. That was evident last night. They have guys shooting the 3 who shouldn't be. And that will bite you eventually. They sure did miss Irving last night!

We were 2nd in the league last year. Horford was top 10 (43%). Brown shot almost 40%. Rozier was excellent (38%) as well.

We have a lot of good shooters. We just missed a lot of shots last night.

Re: Smart to ESPN: "i'm worth more than $14 mill a year" Goner?
« Reply #118 on: May 28, 2018, 04:20:55 PM »

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Celts hope he signs the 1 year QO, but if Smart feels like that won't improve his money making capabilities the season after (BC he will be coming off the bench). 


This is a good point. He was playing big minutes for most of the year and all of the playoffs, and he had some incredible performances (the Harden game, etc.).

His value is at its highest now. Hard to believe he doesn't just sign the best offer he can get.

agree