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Re: The Davis Weight Watch
« Reply #60 on: September 29, 2008, 03:37:47 PM »

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Re: The Davis Weight Watch
« Reply #61 on: September 29, 2008, 03:50:42 PM »

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Re: The Davis Weight Watch
« Reply #62 on: October 21, 2008, 03:59:22 PM »

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If he ever gets to 240-250, Davis will be the NBDL's best tweener.  His bulk is what makes him a factor inside.  At 6-8, 240, Davis would get pushed around by taller, bigger 4s and 5s and still would be way too slow to play the 3.  At 270-280, he's got the bulk and unique skills to compete as a short 4/5.  But he needs both bulk and skills to compete at his height.
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i don't understand why you guys are fixated on davis' weight number.  he is by definition a physical oddity.  like barkley was.  barkley was 6-4 and fat/heavy in stature and weighed between 250 and 300 in his career.  he was better when he was slimmer but he was a freak compared to most guys his height.  so is davis- but in a little bit different way. 

i watched an interview of davis in mid season last year with tommy interviewing him and davis said that he came into camp at 290 and had GAINED 20 lbs. net by working out rigorously- that is to say that he had lost a bunch of fat but gained even more muscle to the tune of a 20lb net gain.  then doc fiddled his minutes around and he lost his conditioning and probably gained 10 lbs. toward the end of the season.

are you guys sure you have him at 275 down from 320-330?  that's a hell of a weight loss?  this guy just doesn't have the frame to fit into normal size guidelines.  i think he could be a mean strong and lean 270 and he likely won't ever get any lighter than that.  remembah danny fortson at 6-6 260/70?  davis is bigger than him!  why do we expect him to weigh less?

Re: The Davis Weight Watch
« Reply #63 on: October 22, 2008, 05:01:39 PM »

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I'd like to see BBD put on 10-15 more pounds, so long as it's muscle and not flab.  Eat your protein, young man.  Have as much fish and lean beef as you want, and get into that weight room.  We'll have you over 300 lbs before you know it.

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Re: The Davis Weight Watch
« Reply #64 on: October 22, 2008, 11:37:57 PM »

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Re: The Davis Weight Watch
« Reply #65 on: October 23, 2008, 02:22:40 AM »

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Davis will always be big.  He got bad habits by being a great defensive tackle in HS and they needed him to be huge.  Davis probably should of stayed into football and probably would be a even richer man.  He's a very good basketball player but one who has to be a niche player.  I'm sure if he was 265, he would be a starter somewhere, but that takes discipline and he's a big kid at heart maturity wise.

Re: The Davis Weight Watch
« Reply #66 on: October 23, 2008, 01:49:55 PM »

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I'm having a hard time with a couple parts of this thread.

1. The Barkley thing

I get that Barkley was a short and strong power forward, but the similarities end there. That's it. No similarity in style, athleticism, etc. Barkley's skill, agility, and leaping all dwarf Davis's. He was also in significantly better shape and significantly trimmer than BBD ever has been. I mean, let's remind ourselves, check out these pictures:









2. The weight arguments

In all my experience playing sports and following progessional sports, outside of being a football lineman, gaining weight is only useful when you are already in very good shape and you are only gaining muscle mass. Being out of shape and gaining more weight just puts more stress on your body and slows you down. Someone like BBD needs to lose a lot of weight to become a much better player. Getting in shape, even if he retains the same muscle mass, will not make him easier to push around; that's simply not true, at least in any significant way that wouldn't be more than offset by drastically improved quickness and leaping ability. Arguments that BBD needs "bulk" to be effective, and that this bulk is provided by his carrying around a significant amount of fat are pure hogwash and, in my opinion, have no basis in any kind of fact but are instead based upon anecdotes meant to express something we want to believe. In other words, when the assumption is that BBD is a good player, and people develop an affection for him and are trying to relieve him of the burden of having to lose weight, they retroactively conjure arguments that being fatter is what makes him more effective. Any "bulk" that BBD has would still be provided by his muscle mass and large bone structure, not his extra fat. I wager that no one in the NBA has ever lost effectiveness as a player by getting in better shape, which is all that many people want BBD to do. Go look at the pictures of Barkley again, and argue that BBD would be less productive than he is now if he worked his body to look like that.

Re: The Davis Weight Watch
« Reply #67 on: October 23, 2008, 02:00:18 PM »

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Also, there's a reason he slipped in the draft. It's because he's overweight and not in prime condition, and he has a lot of warning signs that this will continue to get worse, not better. Considering that this is the reason that so many teams passed on him, doesn't it stand to reason that his size is a negative and not a plus?

And I'm not a Baby hater. On draft night I was very happy to get him, as I thought he was great value and potential for where he was drafted. But I don't really want to delude myself into thinking he's anything like Barkley, or even a starter in this league, until he makes drastic changes. As it stands, I expect him to work reasonably hard and be a fairly useful productive bench player.

Re: The Davis Weight Watch
« Reply #68 on: October 23, 2008, 03:57:52 PM »

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Here's a link that lists Barkley at 6'6" and 265 lbs. at Auburn and there's a picture. It's fairly easy to see that Baby was and probably always will be much fatter than the Round Mound of Rebound.

Re: The Davis Weight Watch
« Reply #69 on: October 24, 2008, 05:18:12 PM »

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Big Baby will never have the hops of Chuck either.
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Re: The Davis Weight Watch
« Reply #70 on: October 25, 2008, 09:31:48 AM »

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Big Baby will never have the hops of Chuck either.
This is a good point and I have an opinion for the possible reason why. Barkley and Big Baby have one similarity that I havent seen mentioned that is very significant. Both of these guys have strong legs and a very good base from the hips down, regardless of the weight carried. The difference being, Charles had a strong and leaner upper body. Big Baby, while very strong also has a lot more mass in his upper body.

The obvious part is/was his gut. I give him mild props for getting started on reducing that, but his girth (chest to waistline) is still too big. This is where he carries too much and will never be able to get the lift of a guy like Barkley.

This is where he is most hurting in terms of conditioning IMO. I believe that like Perk and Al Jefferson, he can apply himself to the Celtics conditioning program that Brian Doo offers and in a couple of years convert this extra mass to useable muscle.

I do seem to remember that Perk and Big Al were nowhere near as big and it took until their third season to really see a big difference in Body Shape. 8)
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Re: The Davis Weight Watch
« Reply #71 on: November 21, 2008, 09:32:00 PM »

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I'd be surprised if BBD is every more then a mediocre bench player to be honest. I do think he has a better body type for football. His strength with his good footwork would have been a force..

Re: The Davis Weight Watch
« Reply #72 on: November 21, 2008, 10:51:19 PM »

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http://auburntigers.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/aub-centennial.html

Here's a link that lists Barkley at 6'6" and 265 lbs. at Auburn and there's a picture. It's fairly easy to see that Baby was and probably always will be much fatter than the Round Mound of Rebound.
I know Barkley's height has no relevance to Davis's weight loss,but many players who played aganist him and with him has repeatedly said he is more closer to 6'4"and thats being generous.

Re: The Davis Weight Watch
« Reply #73 on: December 08, 2008, 01:06:02 PM »

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I think it's time to remove this thread from the sticky threads. I think it served its purpose well in entertaining us through the season.

Re: The Davis Weight Watch
« Reply #74 on: December 23, 2008, 05:30:51 PM »

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I agree. Maybe this thread is why Davis cried...