Wade and LBJ now impossible to guard with Ray in the fold?

[j804]

Some scouts seem to think so 

@ChrisMannixSI
A lot of "oh bleep" responses from scouts RE: Allen to Miami. "With him outside, Wade and LBJ are going to be impossible to guard," says one

https://twitter.com/ChrisMannixSI/statuses/221662103080153088

[Celtics Fan]

They will be the same man. They are still beatable you have to worry on how the game is officiated.

[Who]

C  - Bosh
PF - LeBron
SF - Wade
SG - Ray

Is going to be incredibly difficult to defend. Supplying help defense is going be a nightmare.

Chalmers too, to a lesser extent, is a solid shooter also. Or put in Battier for more size at the forward slots. Or Mike Miller or James Jones for more shooting.

[lightspeed5]

people were saying the same thing when mike miller signed with the heat

its no different. ray has a much inferior point guard passing to him. the passes will be worse. the court vision is worse.  chalmers is so much worse than rondo in termss of passing, that it will be very evident.

[j804]

C  - Bosh
PF - LeBron
SF - Wade
SG - Ray

Is going to be incredibly difficult to defend. Supplying help defense is going be a nightmare.

Chalmers too, to a lesser extent, is a solid shooter also. Or put in Battier for more size at the forward slots. Or Mike Miller or James Jones for more shooting.

Is it not something we already saw this season though, Battier filled that role that would be Ray spotting up burying three after three not sure the numbers but seemed just as efficient if not better than Ray.

[Who]

C  - Bosh
PF - LeBron
SF - Wade
SG - Ray

Is going to be incredibly difficult to defend. Supplying help defense is going be a nightmare.

Chalmers too, to a lesser extent, is a solid shooter also. Or put in Battier for more size at the forward slots. Or Mike Miller or James Jones for more shooting.

Is it not something we already saw this season though, Battier filled that role that would be Ray spotting up burying three after three not sure the numbers but seemed just as efficient if not better than Ray.

In the NBA Finals and the last 1-2 games of the Conference Finals, for the most part, yes.

Before that, no -- Bosh is a big difference offensively from Turiaf/Anthony from the earlier part of the Boston-Miami series and Indiana-Miami series. And they usually played with two bigs prior to that since LeBron, Wade and Bosh got together. 

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Ray Allen is different to Battier because he is a much more talented scorer. It's harder to hide your power forward defensively on Ray than it is Battier.

So that puts even more pressure on your defense. Do you put the four on LeBron (much better matchup for James) or do you keep him on Ray (lesser offensive threat but he can still cook slow big forwards with his movement off the ball).

Ray Allen is a much better scorer than the wings they have had in the past alongside LeBron and Wade. Tougher to matchup against than a stand-still player like Battier.

Ray adds another element to the offense.

[mctyson]

Some scouts seem to think so 

@ChrisMannixSI
A lot of "oh bleep" responses from scouts RE: Allen to Miami. "With him outside, Wade and LBJ are going to be impossible to guard," says one

https://twitter.com/ChrisMannixSI/statuses/221662103080153088

Because Mike Miller and James Jones were horrible shooters, right?

[GreenFaith1819]

Tougher to guard, but not impossible.

We took MIA to seven games just a few weeks ago. Bosh did in fact make a positive impact for MIA upon his return, but we played the entire series without AB.

AB slows Wade down a bit - won't stop him completely, but his success guarding Wade is guaranteed for BOS.

We also have Jet and will have Jeff Green. Jet is a decent defender vs PGs and G's. Jeff can help with some defensive duties vs LeBron. Again - Jeff won't stop him completely - no one can. But he is younger and longer than Paul.

With this "new" Heat, all we have to due is stay healthy (Please God ), and limit 2 players out of the MIA equation and they can be beat.

My guess for the two MIA players that can be negated a bit? Wade (AB) and Ray (Rondo or Jet). Throw Paul, Jeff Green, Pietrus (if he's still in Green) at LeBron. Throw the kitchen sink at LeBron, if you have to.

I'd like to think that KG can limit Bosh, but I'm just not sure at KG's age. Perhaps 2-3 yrs ago, but now?

Perhaps Jeff Green could spend some time guarding Bosh? He only gives up 1 inch to him, and he's every bit as quick. don't forget that JG guarded Pau (I know - with limited success, but still - he has experience guarding long, athletic PFs).

I'm just not ready to concede the title to MIA again, and I'm sure Doc and Danny are drawing up plans right now for MIA.

[Snakehead]

Some scouts seem to think so 

@ChrisMannixSI
A lot of "oh bleep" responses from scouts RE: Allen to Miami. "With him outside, Wade and LBJ are going to be impossible to guard," says one

https://twitter.com/ChrisMannixSI/statuses/221662103080153088

Because Mike Miller and James Jones were horrible shooters, right?

Yes exactly.  It's certainly an improvement but lets be realistic here.  Mike Miller had his struggles but he's an incredible shooter, I think his performance in that last Finals game stands for itself.

[Change]

At the end of the day, there's only one ball. And it's in Lebron's hand majority of the time. If C's can slow down Lebron without committing a double team, we have a great chance at beating them.  The days of doubling/tripling lebron are over. They have a lot of weapons on the floor to leave one wide up. We need Green, Pierce, Bass, Pietrus to man up against Lebron.

[Kuberski33]

Plug up the middle, keep them out of transition and hope they miss.  That's about what it comes down to unless someone gets hurt. 

Always felt the Heat would get better each year as they added pieces.  Now we pretty much have to wait for Wade's legs to go.  He'll be a guy who ages pretty quickly, but the next couple of seasons they'll again be very tough.

[j804]

At the end of the day, there's only one ball. And it's in Lebron's hand majority of the time. If C's can slow down Lebron without committing a double team, we have a great chance at beating them.  The days of doubling/tripling lebron are over. They have a lot of weapons on the floor to leave one wide up. We need Green, Pierce, Bass, Pietrus to man up against Lebron.

a breakout year from Green, improved Bradley, Jet somewhere close to the Mavs title run form could be the difference in knocking them out

If Melo or Sullinger can even crack the rotation giving us some offensive rebounding or easy scoring from Rondo drop offs it's all the better

[cman88]

the more I think about it...isnt he just filling the role of Mike miller??

and its not like miller is a bad 3 point shooter.

Miller shot 45% from 3 last season...same as ray allen did

I HIGHLY doubt that miami is going to draw up plays for Ray allen to get open..so like Miller he is going to stand around at the 3 point line waiting for Lebron/wade to kick it out

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Key is Jeff Green.

He's big and fast enough to handle LBJ one on one. If Jeff can handle him, which I believe he can, those Miami shooter are just there to complete a 5 player lineup.

[Prof. Clutch]

Wade and Lebron were already pretty impossible to guard and were surrounded by a really solid batch of 3 point shooters (Chalmers, Jones, Battier, and Miller.)  I don't see that much of a difference now that Ray will be one of the batch.

It all comes down to solid team D and making the right rotations/adjustments.