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Title: Biggest surprise/Disppointment
Post by: mainevent on March 18, 2018, 12:50:48 AM
Now that the regular season is almost over, I was reflecting on the seasons high's and low's.  What was your biggest surprise/disappointment?

My biggest surprise was unquestionably...Terry Rozier's development. I will admit that I was less than thrilled with the draft pick because I really didn't know him at L'ville, but under Brad and I will say with Kyrie's tutelage I think Terry's game has elevated the most since last season. He's not over-thinking the game as he did and he's allowing thinking to catch up with his athleticism. Hopefully this off-season he can work on his vision/passing and continue to perfect the art of defense at the 1,2 and even 3. If so, I think that will allow him to become a complete guard.

Biggest disappointment...the fact that Danny didn't get a shooter/scorer for the 2nd unit at the deadline/buyout.  Terry is progressing in that role and Morris is a scorer, but we don't have a knock down shooter coming off the bench.  If we had gotten Belinelli or Williams or even Ilyasova I would be feeling a lot more comfortable. Even if Semi had shot the ball like he did in College, that would be a bonus but he's been atrocious.

Hopefully we get healthy over the next month and get a first round opponent that wont make us work too hard till the rest of the gang can come back. 

We've had a great regular season after all that has happened since 5 min into our first game. People have counted us out and continue to count us out. Not me...I believe in this team, I believe in our coach, I believe in our system. Call my glasses green but I see us in the ECF.

#CUsRise
Title: Re: Biggest surprise/Disppointment
Post by: Alleyoopster on March 18, 2018, 03:11:51 AM
Didn't want to pick one disappointment or surprise...so I picked several.

Disappointments:

Hayward's leg injury less than 6 minutes into the season.

Suspected Kryrie would have injury issues. Looks like his knee may be an ongoing issue for the rest of his career. I'm not really disappointed. He's such a good player when he's healthy that I can live with it as long it remains minor.

I agree with the OP...Danny not signing a shooter at the trade deadline didn't help the cause.

The late season injuries to Marcus Smart and Theis.

Surprises:
There were so many of them...

Kryie's all-star ability and his pleasant demeanor. I knew he was a very good player. Didn't realize he was this good. His shooting, passing and ball handling are all in the superior range. After listening to some of his end of the season comments I thought he would be somewhat aloof and an oddball. Instead, he's articulate, supportive, relaxed and a great teammate. This took me totally by surprise.

Players I had either heard little about or had heard nothing surprised me with their good play; Baynes, Theis, Ojeleye and Larkin. Morris also impressed me a lot. Originally thought he was a desperation signing. Then, he started hitting shots and took on a great leadership role. These players provided the depth this team desperately needed to compete. 

Jalen Brown's improved shooting, ball handling and confidence surely impressed me

Totally agree with the OP about Rozier....what a jump in his play. 

The biggest shock has to be the play of Jason Tatum. When the Celtics traded the top pick I was angry. I wanted Fultz in the worst way. Thought Danny lost his mind. Now, I feel I would have picked Tatum over Markelle even if he hadn't lost his shot. 

Danny picked up a legitimate player in Monroe. He's been on the CB "wanted" list for a number of years. Castoff from Detroit and Phoenix....he seems to have found a home here. Hope he stays.

The biggest surprise is that Danny pulled off all these moves and Brad and his staff molded this unique selection of players into a decent team. Kudos to both Danny and Brad. These gambles perplexed many of us before the season began. But, the season turned out to be a successful one so far. Too bad Hayward, Marcus and Theis got injured who knows how far this team might have gone in the playoffs if they had stayed healthy. 

Players I'm neither surprised or disappointed with; Al....he's always good, Nader (he's looking better of late) and Yabusele (he looked good against Washington)



Title: Re: Biggest surprise/Disppointment
Post by: gouki88 on March 18, 2018, 03:36:24 AM
Surprises:

Tatum. I liked him coming out of college, but both his present day ability to contribute and (apparent) potential have blown me away. I was dubious to say the least when we traded down, but Tatum has absolutely removed all those doubts.

Theis. I had almost no expectations from him, and didn't even expect him to get more than garbage time minutes. Now (obviously when not hurt) he's a crucial part of our rotation, and is one of the sneaky best pickups of the season.

Disappointments:

Hayward. Not anything in his control, but the injury was absolutely gut-wrenching, and made this season a bit of a write-off

Smart. Effectively no development with his jump shot. Need I say more
Title: Re: Biggest surprise/Disppointment
Post by: MJohnnyboy on March 18, 2018, 03:40:07 AM
Biggest surprise: The team has played this well without Gordon Hayward
Biggest disappointment: We'll never get to see this team fully healthy. If it had been, this team seriously could have given Golden State a lot of trouble.
Title: Re: Biggest surprise/Disppointment
Post by: Celtics4ever on March 18, 2018, 07:41:50 AM
Biggest Surprise was Hayward getting hurt. 

Biggest Disappointment is CBS and his inability to figure out Monroe.
Title: Re: Biggest surprise/Disppointment
Post by: Csfan1984 on March 18, 2018, 10:22:34 AM
Surprise positive= Tatum. What an amazing rookie. He may turn out to be superstar.

Surprise negative= Hayward injury. I felt there was without a doubt no chance at winning it all but if Rockets can upset the Warriors and C's get to finals there may be a shot.

Disappointed= Smart not getting better with his shot. Irving knee management costing games.

Satisfied= Danny getting a lot of decent/cheap bigs on this roster. BS not going small so much now with more skilled bigs has been very good.
Title: Re: Biggest surprise/Disppointment
Post by: mctyson on March 18, 2018, 10:59:45 AM
Obvious that biggest disappointment are the injuries.  It will be a "what could have been" season, much like '08-'09.

My biggest surprise is Kyrie.  I was in the camp of people that did not consider him to be that much of an upgrade over IT, that it was worth trading the Brooklyn pick for him.  I was wrong.
Title: Re: Biggest surprise/Disppointment
Post by: moiso on March 18, 2018, 12:00:17 PM
The most pleasant surprise for me is how the off-season moves look right now.  Irving is exactly what I expected and Tatum has been better.  Isaiah can’t get it going, Bradley has struggled, and Fultz and Ball haven’t been better than Tatum so far. 

Obviously the biggest dissapointment is the Hayward injury.
Title: Re: Biggest surprise/Disppointment
Post by: KGs Knee on March 18, 2018, 01:01:07 PM
Biggest surprise: Daniel Theis being a competent rotation player. I figured he wouldn't be much more than an end of the bench type player who would need a couple of years to develop, if he ever did at all.

Biggest disappointment: Marcus Smart not making any progress on the offensive side of the ball. He's still the ultimate junk yard dog, but I was hoping for more from him. It's going to be tough to justify giving him a big contract this summer.
Title: Re: Biggest surprise/Disppointment
Post by: hpantazo on March 18, 2018, 01:29:08 PM
Biggest surprise: How quickly this team came together as a legit top 5 team despite having virtually a whole new roster and a short training camp.

Biggest disappointment: Easily the injuries, which started horrifically on day 1 and are still going!
Title: Re: Biggest surprise/Disppointment
Post by: Big333223 on March 18, 2018, 04:25:33 PM
I think the obvious biggest disappointment is the Hayward injury and the obvious biggest surprise is that the team is going to win 50 games without him.

Going deeper than that, I'd say the biggest surprise has been Tatum's minutes. He's started every game and is playing over 30 mpg on the year. He's an integral part of everything the C's do every night which is astounding to me. I can't wait to see him physically mature and get more comfortable with the NBA game.

The biggest disappointment has been Smart's finishing. But that has more to do with where I set my expectations at the beginning of the year.
Title: Re: Biggest surprise/Disppointment
Post by: Granath on March 18, 2018, 05:18:19 PM
I'm not surprised by Jaylen's development. I'm not surprised by Tatum all that much either. I'm not surprised we're on pace for 55 wins.

Biggest Surprise: Terry William Rozier III looks like a different player. 11 points, 5 boards per game and a PER of 16/6/4 with a 60 point raise in eFG and a huge jump on the defensive end as well. That's some remarkable development. I thought it was Smart who might pull that off this year. Instead, Rozier looks like he's taken the leap from back-of-the-bench guy to our own version of The Microwave with defense to boot.
Runner up: Theis. 

Biggest Disappointment: There's only one answer here. Hayward's injury. If he's starting, this team would be on pace for 60+ wins rather than 55.
Runner up: Smart's shooting (again). I really had some hope that his newer jump shot would improve his percentages.
Title: Re: Biggest surprise/Disppointment
Post by: footey on March 18, 2018, 05:46:57 PM
I’m surprised how many are listing Marcus Smart as the biggest disappointment. That’s insane to me. His value to this team has been so evident when he returned from his cut injury. He transformed the makeup up of the team from a porous sieve to an airtight take no prisoners ball club.

Okay so he’s never going to be a great outside shooter. We will have plenty of outside shooters. But there is only one Marcus Smart with his mental toughness, which is contagious. Ask his teammates and coach.

Stop whining about his jump shot.

Title: Re: Biggest surprise/Disppointment
Post by: KGs Knee on March 18, 2018, 05:53:37 PM
I’m surprised how many are listing Marcus Smart as the biggest disappointment. That’s insane to me. His value to this team has been so evident when he returned from his cut injury. He transformed the makeup up of the team from a porous sieve to an airtight take no prisoners ball club.

Okay so he’s never going to be a great outside shooter. We will have plenty of outside shooters. But there is only one Marcus Smart with his mental toughness, which is contagious. Ask his teammates and coach.

Stop whining about his jump shot.



I think it's perfectly reasonable to be disappointed in Smart's lack of progress on the offensive side of the ball, while simultaneously recognizing his value and impact on the defensive end.

But, at this point I guess I do accept that he'll never be much more than he is on that side of the ball.  Which is why I don't see him ever being more than a 6th man type of player.  But that's fine, as long as people don't expect more out of him, and the team doesn't go overpaying him this summer, based on the hope he'll ever be more than that.
Title: Re: Biggest surprise/Disppointment
Post by: Androslav on March 18, 2018, 05:58:41 PM
Celtics:
Surprise: the streak, Theis
Disappointment: GH Injury

Player
Surprise: Oladipo
Disappointment: Wiggins

Team
Surprise: Jazz
Disapointment: Detroit
Title: Re: Biggest surprise/Disppointment
Post by: ChillyWilly on March 18, 2018, 06:02:08 PM
biggest surprise is Jaylen I didn't know he'd be such a beast on the defensive end.

Biggest disappointment is Smart. Seriously 0 growth since his rookie season? He has a nice 2 man game with Theis I'll give him that but he's a net negative on that end of the court. Doesn't spread the floor and cant drive the lane. Slow first step? Can't turn corner? I'm not sure but he needs a pick to even smell the lane from the break. Doesn't mean I don't like what he brings but I expected more maybe that's my own fault.

Title: Re: Biggest surprise/Disppointment
Post by: mainevent on March 18, 2018, 06:35:19 PM
I’m surprised how many are listing Marcus Smart as the biggest disappointment. That’s insane to me. His value to this team has been so evident when he returned from his cut injury. He transformed the makeup up of the team from a porous sieve to an airtight take no prisoners ball club.

Okay so he’s never going to be a great outside shooter. We will have plenty of outside shooters. But there is only one Marcus Smart with his mental toughness, which is contagious. Ask his teammates and coach.

Stop whining about his jump shot.

I'm as surprised as you are that so many people are saying Smart is the biggest disappointment. It's no secret his shot is not that great, has never been, but I think overall he has been steadier this year than he has since being drafted.  He's lost weight and is grittier than ever on D.  Why there are those that thought that his shot would be that much better this year is beyond me. 

The Hayward injury was a no brainer for biggest disappointment and listing that would have been too obvious.  I guess I should have stated "Biggest disappointment outside of Gordon's horror in game 1
Title: Re: Biggest surprise/Disppointment
Post by: Granath on March 19, 2018, 07:12:48 AM
I’m surprised how many are listing Marcus Smart as the biggest disappointment. That’s insane to me. His value to this team has been so evident when he returned from his cut injury. He transformed the makeup up of the team from a porous sieve to an airtight take no prisoners ball club.

Okay so he’s never going to be a great outside shooter. We will have plenty of outside shooters. But there is only one Marcus Smart with his mental toughness, which is contagious. Ask his teammates and coach.

Stop whining about his jump shot.

I'm as surprised as you are that so many people are saying Smart is the biggest disappointment. It's no secret his shot is not that great, has never been, but I think overall he has been steadier this year than he has since being drafted.  He's lost weight and is grittier than ever on D.  Why there are those that thought that his shot would be that much better this year is beyond me. 

The Hayward injury was a no brainer for biggest disappointment and listing that would have been too obvious.  I guess I should have stated "Biggest disappointment outside of Gordon's horror in game 1

I'm not sure why either of you is surprised.

Why would people think that shot was better? Because he supposedly re-tooled his shot the past offseason, releasing it at a much higher point. It looked good on video. It finally looked *right*. His FT% the prior year gave some hope that his game shooting would improve. It's difficult to conceive that a 80% FT shooter can't hit the basket 4 out of 10 times in a game but somehow Smart manages to do it. And if he can't shoot, then why is he chucking the 3rd most 3 point attempts on the team? It's not just his shot, it's his shot combined with his shot selection. Rondo couldn't shoot either but at least he knew enough not to attempt 5 3s a game.

Then there's a series of off-the-court actions that have cost him serious court time this year. We were hoping he learned his lesson after shoving a fan at OK State but it seems that his immaturity got the better of him again.

Finally, we can compare him against his Brick Brother, Terry Rozier, who has managed to find his shooting stroke and become a far more well-rounded weapon on the court. When you look at Smart and Rozier now, it's tough not to say that Terry has passed Marcus in order of importance.

No one is saying he's not valuable. I've been a constant Smart defender here and I love the grit in his game. But it's not hard to figure out why some - including me - think he's a pretty big disappointment this year.
Title: Re: Biggest surprise/Disppointment
Post by: Moranis on March 19, 2018, 12:36:14 PM
I’m surprised how many are listing Marcus Smart as the biggest disappointment. That’s insane to me. His value to this team has been so evident when he returned from his cut injury. He transformed the makeup up of the team from a porous sieve to an airtight take no prisoners ball club.

Okay so he’s never going to be a great outside shooter. We will have plenty of outside shooters. But there is only one Marcus Smart with his mental toughness, which is contagious. Ask his teammates and coach.

Stop whining about his jump shot.



I think it's perfectly reasonable to be disappointed in Smart's lack of progress on the offensive side of the ball, while simultaneously recognizing his value and impact on the defensive end.

But, at this point I guess I do accept that he'll never be much more than he is on that side of the ball.  Which is why I don't see him ever being more than a 6th man type of player.  But that's fine, as long as people don't expect more out of him, and the team doesn't go overpaying him this summer, based on the hope he'll ever be more than that.
the thing, Smart is basically the exact same player he has been since he entered the league.  The only way any one could truly be disappointed in Smart's play is if they had totally unreasonable expectations for him.
Title: Re: Biggest surprise/Disppointment
Post by: CFAN38 on March 19, 2018, 12:42:12 PM
I’m surprised how many are listing Marcus Smart as the biggest disappointment. That’s insane to me. His value to this team has been so evident when he returned from his cut injury. He transformed the makeup up of the team from a porous sieve to an airtight take no prisoners ball club.

Okay so he’s never going to be a great outside shooter. We will have plenty of outside shooters. But there is only one Marcus Smart with his mental toughness, which is contagious. Ask his teammates and coach.

Stop whining about his jump shot.



I think it's perfectly reasonable to be disappointed in Smart's lack of progress on the offensive side of the ball, while simultaneously recognizing his value and impact on the defensive end.

But, at this point I guess I do accept that he'll never be much more than he is on that side of the ball.  Which is why I don't see him ever being more than a 6th man type of player.  But that's fine, as long as people don't expect more out of him, and the team doesn't go overpaying him this summer, based on the hope he'll ever be more than that.
the thing, Smart is basically the exact same player he has been since he entered the league.  The only way any one could truly be disappointed in Smart's play is if they had totally unreasonable expectations for him.

I wouldn't say he is the exact same player. He become a full time PG for the first time in college and has dramatically improved as a facilitator and creator on offense in his time with the Celtics. 
Title: Re: Biggest surprise/Disppointment
Post by: ChillyWilly on March 19, 2018, 12:42:18 PM
I’m surprised how many are listing Marcus Smart as the biggest disappointment. That’s insane to me. His value to this team has been so evident when he returned from his cut injury. He transformed the makeup up of the team from a porous sieve to an airtight take no prisoners ball club.

Okay so he’s never going to be a great outside shooter. We will have plenty of outside shooters. But there is only one Marcus Smart with his mental toughness, which is contagious. Ask his teammates and coach.

Stop whining about his jump shot.



I think it's perfectly reasonable to be disappointed in Smart's lack of progress on the offensive side of the ball, while simultaneously recognizing his value and impact on the defensive end.

But, at this point I guess I do accept that he'll never be much more than he is on that side of the ball.  Which is why I don't see him ever being more than a 6th man type of player.  But that's fine, as long as people don't expect more out of him, and the team doesn't go overpaying him this summer, based on the hope he'll ever be more than that.
the thing, Smart is basically the exact same player he has been since he entered the league.  The only way any one could truly be disappointed in Smart's play is if they had totally unreasonable expectations for him.

That's where the disappointment lies. Almost no growth he's the same guy who entered the league which I'm unsure why you wouldn't find that disappointing.
Title: Re: Biggest surprise/Disppointment
Post by: Big333223 on March 19, 2018, 01:21:31 PM
I’m surprised how many are listing Marcus Smart as the biggest disappointment. That’s insane to me. His value to this team has been so evident when he returned from his cut injury. He transformed the makeup up of the team from a porous sieve to an airtight take no prisoners ball club.

Okay so he’s never going to be a great outside shooter. We will have plenty of outside shooters. But there is only one Marcus Smart with his mental toughness, which is contagious. Ask his teammates and coach.

Stop whining about his jump shot.



I think it's perfectly reasonable to be disappointed in Smart's lack of progress on the offensive side of the ball, while simultaneously recognizing his value and impact on the defensive end.

But, at this point I guess I do accept that he'll never be much more than he is on that side of the ball.  Which is why I don't see him ever being more than a 6th man type of player.  But that's fine, as long as people don't expect more out of him, and the team doesn't go overpaying him this summer, based on the hope he'll ever be more than that.
the thing, Smart is basically the exact same player he has been since he entered the league.  The only way any one could truly be disappointed in Smart's play is if they had totally unreasonable expectations for him.

That's where the disappointment lies. Almost no growth he's the same guy who entered the league which I'm unsure why you wouldn't find that disappointing.

I totally disagree. I understand that his numbers are petty much the same but I don't know how you can watch the game and think that's he's the same as he was as a rookie or 2 years ago. He's a much smarter team defender, and a much better playmaker and ballhandler out of the pick and roll.
Title: Re: Biggest surprise/Disppointment
Post by: PhoSita on March 19, 2018, 01:32:40 PM
Surprise - Tatum's readiness to contribute to winning.  Thought he was going to be a Harrison Barnes / Tobias Harris / Jabari Parker type who takes a while to match defense / efficiency with iso scoring tendencies.

Disappointment - By far my biggest disappointment is the high volume of injuries preventing the best players on the team playing together.  Even setting aside Hayward's injury, we haven't gotten to see enough games with Kyrie, Brown, Tatum, Horford, Smart all healthy.

Setting aside injuries, though, which are nobody's fault, I would say my biggest disappointment is ... you know what?  I'm not disappointed about anything this season other than the injuries.  They've outperformed my expectations, individually and collectively.  I'm sorry we didn't get to see Hayward play hardly at all, and we didn't get to see much of the best of what this group could do even without Hayward once the calendar flipped to 2018.
Title: Re: Biggest surprise/Disppointment
Post by: PhoSita on March 19, 2018, 01:34:19 PM

Biggest disappointment is Smart. Seriously 0 growth since his rookie season?

He has improved a great deal as a ball handler, playmaker, decision maker, especially running the pick and roll.  He's developed some nice alley oop chemistry with Al Horford.
Title: Re: Biggest surprise/Disppointment
Post by: KGs Knee on March 19, 2018, 01:55:02 PM
I’m surprised how many are listing Marcus Smart as the biggest disappointment. That’s insane to me. His value to this team has been so evident when he returned from his cut injury. He transformed the makeup up of the team from a porous sieve to an airtight take no prisoners ball club.

Okay so he’s never going to be a great outside shooter. We will have plenty of outside shooters. But there is only one Marcus Smart with his mental toughness, which is contagious. Ask his teammates and coach.

Stop whining about his jump shot.



I think it's perfectly reasonable to be disappointed in Smart's lack of progress on the offensive side of the ball, while simultaneously recognizing his value and impact on the defensive end.

But, at this point I guess I do accept that he'll never be much more than he is on that side of the ball.  Which is why I don't see him ever being more than a 6th man type of player.  But that's fine, as long as people don't expect more out of him, and the team doesn't go overpaying him this summer, based on the hope he'll ever be more than that.
the thing, Smart is basically the exact same player he has been since he entered the league.  The only way any one could truly be disappointed in Smart's play is if they had totally unreasonable expectations for him.

It's rather ridiculous to not think a player should improve over the course of his rookie contract. Claiming a player is exactly who he was when he came into the league and being okay with that is an unusual take.

Now, I don't actually think that Smart is the same player he was when he came in the league. He's a better playmaker, and has somewhat better decision making, at the very least. But his shooting is still as atrocious as ever, and to me that is a big disappointment.   It tells me he'll likely never be starting material, and again, that is disappointing for a player that was drafted as high as he was.
Title: Re: Biggest surprise/Disppointment
Post by: Moranis on March 19, 2018, 02:48:48 PM
I’m surprised how many are listing Marcus Smart as the biggest disappointment. That’s insane to me. His value to this team has been so evident when he returned from his cut injury. He transformed the makeup up of the team from a porous sieve to an airtight take no prisoners ball club.

Okay so he’s never going to be a great outside shooter. We will have plenty of outside shooters. But there is only one Marcus Smart with his mental toughness, which is contagious. Ask his teammates and coach.

Stop whining about his jump shot.



I think it's perfectly reasonable to be disappointed in Smart's lack of progress on the offensive side of the ball, while simultaneously recognizing his value and impact on the defensive end.

But, at this point I guess I do accept that he'll never be much more than he is on that side of the ball.  Which is why I don't see him ever being more than a 6th man type of player.  But that's fine, as long as people don't expect more out of him, and the team doesn't go overpaying him this summer, based on the hope he'll ever be more than that.
the thing, Smart is basically the exact same player he has been since he entered the league.  The only way any one could truly be disappointed in Smart's play is if they had totally unreasonable expectations for him.

That's where the disappointment lies. Almost no growth he's the same guy who entered the league which I'm unsure why you wouldn't find that disappointing.
because I didn't expect him to be anything more than that entering the year.  Players almost never make massive jumps this many minutes into their career.  Anyone that expected Smart to be anything other than he was entering this season was just flat out being unrealistic and unreasonable.
Title: Re: Biggest surprise/Disppointment
Post by: Moranis on March 19, 2018, 02:54:27 PM
I’m surprised how many are listing Marcus Smart as the biggest disappointment. That’s insane to me. His value to this team has been so evident when he returned from his cut injury. He transformed the makeup up of the team from a porous sieve to an airtight take no prisoners ball club.

Okay so he’s never going to be a great outside shooter. We will have plenty of outside shooters. But there is only one Marcus Smart with his mental toughness, which is contagious. Ask his teammates and coach.

Stop whining about his jump shot.



I think it's perfectly reasonable to be disappointed in Smart's lack of progress on the offensive side of the ball, while simultaneously recognizing his value and impact on the defensive end.

But, at this point I guess I do accept that he'll never be much more than he is on that side of the ball.  Which is why I don't see him ever being more than a 6th man type of player.  But that's fine, as long as people don't expect more out of him, and the team doesn't go overpaying him this summer, based on the hope he'll ever be more than that.
the thing, Smart is basically the exact same player he has been since he entered the league.  The only way any one could truly be disappointed in Smart's play is if they had totally unreasonable expectations for him.

It's rather ridiculous to not think a player should improve over the course of his rookie contract. Claiming a player is exactly who he was when he came into the league and being okay with that is an unusual take.

Now, I don't actually think that Smart is the same player he was when he came in the league. He's a better playmaker, and has somewhat better decision making, at the very least. But his shooting is still as atrocious as ever, and to me that is a big disappointment.   It tells me he'll likely never be starting material, and again, that is disappointing for a player that was drafted as high as he was.
Entering this season (not from when he was drafted), why on earth would anyone realistically believe Smart was all of a sudden going to learn how to shoot?  He entered the year with 845 three's taken, which is not a small sample size (Bird only had 1727 in his entire career).  And here's the thing, Smart was a terrible outside shooter in college also.  This idea that Smart was going to learn how to shoot, especially entering this season, was wholly ridiculous.   
Title: Re: Biggest surprise/Disppointment
Post by: Beat LA on March 21, 2018, 11:03:50 PM
I can't remember the thread, exactly, prior to the season to which the biggest question marks regarding the team was devoted, iirc, and wherein I believe that I mentioned the change in our  medical staff as being up there, for me, but I'm sticking with that one, unfortunately, as I never expected so many injuries to occur, and all across the spectrum in terms of age, as well, this season. Ugh.

Mind you, I wasn't anticipating our trainers, etc., to perform miracles, but, man, what a terrible year in that regard, and anyone who needs surgery, like Kyrie, should already have opted for the procedure(s), imo, as playing hurt isn't going to help anyone, nor anything, at this point, imo. Sigh.
Title: Re: Biggest surprise/Disppointment
Post by: RockinRyA on March 22, 2018, 02:01:26 AM
I can't remember the thread, exactly, prior to the season to which the biggest question marks regarding the team was devoted, iirc, and wherein I believe that I mentioned the change in our  medical staff as being up there, for me, but I'm sticking with that one, unfortunately, as I never expected so many injuries to occur, and all across the spectrum in terms of age, as well, this season. Ugh.

Mind you, I wasn't anticipating our trainers, etc., to perform miracles, but, man, what a terrible year in that regard, and anyone who needs surgery, like Kyrie, should already have opted for the procedure(s), imo, as playing hurt isn't going to help anyone, nor anything, at this point, imo. Sigh.

The kyrie issue was from his cleveland days, its hard to put the blame on the staff for that one. Brown, Hayward, Smart- all are accidents not wear and tear type of injuries.
Title: Re: Biggest surprise/Disppointment
Post by: Sophomore on March 22, 2018, 09:32:38 AM
Biggest surprise: Jason Tater. All day, every day.
Biggest disappointment: Hayward. Still feel gutshot when I remember the injury. Given how well we have played without him, I believe they had a legit shot to win it all this year if he’d been healthy.
Title: Re: Biggest surprise/Disppointment
Post by: Surferdad on March 22, 2018, 10:20:25 AM
Biggest surprise: Jason Tater. All day, every day.
Biggest disappointment: Hayward's injury. Still feel gutshot when I remember the injury. Given how well we have played without him, I believe they had a legit shot to win it all this year if he’d been healthy.
There, fixed it for ya'
Title: Re: Biggest surprise/Disppointment
Post by: colincb on March 22, 2018, 10:26:48 AM
Celtics surprises in order
1. Brown – Was unsure of him entering the season.
2. Theis – Who knew? Would be #1, but is not as important as Brown. #6 in rookie PER.
3. Rozier – Showed well at times briefly in the past, but has developed consistency.
4. Tatum – Not surprised that he’s very good. But the amount of minutes he’s gotten reflects on how fast he’s developed. Wait until next year…

Celtics disappointments
1.GH injury has to be #1
2. Irving injury status.
3. Smart – I expected more after the summer leagues. He was absolutely brutal at times, then he’d show flashes, did a spectacular dumb thing, came back and was playing much better, and then gets injured. Up and down, up and down, up and down. I still want him, but at the right price and no more.
4. Theis injury. Kid was playing very well.

League-wide
S – HOU, Oladipo and Indiana, Sixers , Portland, Lakers (ugh) though I was right about Ball
D – Fultz (who could have foreseen that?), OKC, Detroit,
Title: Re: Biggest surprise/Disppointment
Post by: Beat LA on March 24, 2018, 11:34:25 PM
I can't remember the thread, exactly, prior to the season to which the biggest question marks regarding the team was devoted, iirc, and wherein I believe that I mentioned the change in our  medical staff as being up there, for me, but I'm sticking with that one, unfortunately, as I never expected so many injuries to occur, and all across the spectrum in terms of age, as well, this season. Ugh.

Mind you, I wasn't anticipating our trainers, etc., to perform miracles, but, man, what a terrible year in that regard, and anyone who needs surgery, like Kyrie, should already have opted for the procedure(s), imo, as playing hurt isn't going to help anyone, nor anything, at this point, imo. Sigh.

The kyrie issue was from his cleveland days, its hard to put the blame on the staff for that one. Brown, Hayward, Smart- all are accidents not wear and tear type of injuries.

Yeah, I know, plus Horford continues to have head issues or whatever, but I'm not sure that they did a great job with Morris' knee, and now Theis is out, too. It just seems like we've been snakebitten across the board this year, which, thankfully, usually doesn't happen. I just hope that it's not a sign of things to come as it pertains to the medical staff.
Title: Re: Biggest surprise/Disppointment
Post by: LilRip on March 25, 2018, 01:22:57 AM
Biggest surprises:
1. Tatum and Brown looking legit
2. Terry Rozier stepping up
3. Aron Baynes early in the season. Idk if it’s fatigue or what but Baynes looked really good early on.
4. All the comeback wins. Seriously, this team has so much heart. CBS is doing a great job 

Biggest disappointments
1. Hayward’s injury - I was legit excited to see him turn in another allstar campaign
2. Smart’s Injuries - and to think, I thought he was settling in a groove after his punching injury