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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: KG Living Legend on December 18, 2012, 11:01:28 PM
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The roster I mean. I am Wyc am I am going to Fire Danny and hire you based on your blueprint of rebuilding. I as the owner am willing to stink for three years and then I want to see signs that we are headed back to the playoffs or your fired as well.
So trade anyone and everything you want. Get rid of these huge contracts and get some young talent. Lets go!
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Totally rebuilding this roster within three years can't be done. It be either a half-rebuild around Rondo while keeping Pierce and Garnett, or a total dismantle which would entail at least 4-5 years of mediocrity before the team really got anywhere.
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It can't be done! Your fired!! Who's next!
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Blow it up? Without looking at the $, I trade Jeff Green, Avery Bradley, to New Orleans for Eric Gordon and Grevis Vasquez. Then I see if Courtney Lee, Fab Melo, and Brandon Bass gets us Spencer Hawes. Then I resign Dionte Christmas (can we even do that?)
Rondo/Vasquez/Terry
Gordon/Terry/Christmas
Pierce/Vet Min
KG/Wilcox/Sullinger
Hawes/KG/Wilcox/Collins
That's the best I can do without trade machine.
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This is a huge mess . The Celtic 's are bailing water fast as they can , but its a fast sinking ship.
THe Celtic boat is almost under water , can anybody save it or is it just better this Celtic group goes to the bottom and 5 years latter a NEW group arises.
;D
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It can't be done! Your fired!! Who's next!
haha that was funny. i kind of had one of those snort laughs there. tp for you on a dismal night for the C's.
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It can't be done! Your fired!! Who's next!.
Try decaf.
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As bad as a perception as it would create, I might look into trading Terry. He, himself, is not really "the" problem. In fact, Terry is probably not even a top 5 problem, alone. He does have value though.
A trade involving some combo of Terry, Green, Bass and Sully might fetch us something decent. Probably would need to ditch 3 of them, at least. If it brought a solid big, I would do it at this point.
This roster is flawed, in that, the pieces just don't fit. Too many redundant parts, and not enough interior strength. Pierce and KG ply slow, half-court, defensive basketball. Either accentuate them, or go another direction. It's not a knock against Rondo, but if he is to succeed (with PP/KG) he needs a well built team. Not this mess.
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The roster I mean. I am Wyc am I am going to Fire Danny and hire you based on your blueprint of rebuilding. I as the owner am willing to stink for three years and then I want to see signs that we are headed back to the playoffs or your fired as well.
So trade anyone and everything you want. Get rid of these huge contracts and get some young talent. Lets go!
just throwing stuff around:
i definitely wait until the trading deadline, when teams really want to make a playoff push, and my veterans are at a premium. there are various ways to put a team together, but right now in december looking to feburary i would go...
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pierce to minnesotta for kirilenko and derrick williams
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avery bradley, fab melo, and jeff green to sacramento for demarcus cousins and tyreke evans (sac are dumb enough to do this deal)
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i ask KG if he wants to get traded somewhere to compete for a championship other than languish in boston then trade him to a playoff team... personally i'd love utah as a trading partner so it would be -
KG for milsap and kanter or something like that. KG to philly for bynum would work, but i wouldnt do that to him :)
4. I trade jason terry and bass probably seperately to a playoff team who will give me aa 1st rounder or a nice young piece.
eg: jason terry at the trade deadline to memphis for tony allen, josh selby and tony wroten. or both jason terry and bass to milwaukee bucks for dalembert, tobias harris, and a 1st rounder.
5. of course if the sacramento trade doesnt go through i try to trade jeff green to milwaukee for dalembert and tobias harris... would milwaukee do it? i dont know...
6. i hold onto rondo until the deadline for his extension, and then i trade him for a bunch of picks and young, but good players (like okc did with harden - they should have traded westbrook instead though, just btw)
7. i hold onto barbosa until july and then do a sign and trade ala big baby davis for bass... because he'll probably net more then than now. same for wilcox... but if wilcox or barbosa want to stay as veteran leaders for the right price, thats cool.
so one version of it would be:
pg - rondo/selby
sg - evans/allen/wroten
sf - kirilenko/williams
pf - milsap/sullinger
c - cousins/kanter
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hmmm...
pierce has to go along with courtney lee... to atlanta for josh smith and devin harris... atlanta would not want to lose smith and harris to free agency without getting anything in return... josh smith will surely sign an extension as he would love to play alongside rondo... we can let harris go or make him the backup point...
jeff green and bradley goes to portland for batum...
terry for reddick...
bass to miami for joel anthony and shane battier...
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The funny thing is that the only thing you have to do to make this team competitive is make peace with trading Pierce. Moving his contract alone put us under the salary cap and he's a huge expiring deal next year so he'll have (some) value in a trade this year and a lot of value next year. He's also still a pretty proficient player at this point in his career so even contenders would be interested. Their mindset would be "stay competitive while clearing next year's cap space". This is important because Pierce can sort of call the shots on any trade, as has been reported.
I want to state for those of you who have your pitchforks ready that I'm not for trading Pierce BUT if you were to move him here are some possible destinations:
Chicago: They are gonna have cap problems soon. They'd like to keep Deng and Noah and shed Boozer. Would they part with Taj Gibson and a 1st to get rid of Boozer? They would have to take Bass as part of the trade too but to move Boozer they might be interested.
Utah: There have been Jazz rumors/ideas since the season began. With Pierce in the mix you can probably push to get both Millsap and Jefferson. They would probably ask for Bradley and Sully. I'd try to keep Bradley. They don't especially need the cap space and getting Sullinger and a pick or two for guys who are walking anyway might be worth their while. How many of you could say no to a Pierce/Bass/Sully for Jefferson/Millsap trade? Probably quite a few :)
Memphis: I'm actually not sure if Memphis is looking to move Randolph or Gay anymore. They used to be but since they've been winning I'm not so sure. I'd take either in a Pierce trade but obviously I'd prefer Gay. Probably a long shot and they'd want a lot of picks/young guys. This one was just wishful thinking.
To make our team better we'd have to move young pieces/picks with Pierce but we could actually move Pierce and stay competitive this year while rebuilding. He's a very valuable expiring next year and we have young guys and picks to try to make a run at an unhappy star.
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I go into full bore rebuilding right now
First trade
Pierce for Bledsoe, Odom, and LAC #1
Second trade
Rondo, Bass, LAC #1 for Evans, Cousins, and Garcia
Third trade
Pekovic and Barea to Boston
Gasol to Minny
Williams, Bradley, Sullinger, and Lee to L.A.
My new team
PG - Bledsoe/Barea/Barbosa
SG - Evans/Terry
SF - Green/Garcia/Joseph
PF - Garnett/Bass/Odom
C - Cousins/Pekovic/Wilcox/Collins/Melo
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I go into full bore rebuilding right now
First trade
Pierce for Bledsoe, Odom, and LAC #1
Second trade
Rondo, Bass, LAC #1 for Evans, Cousins, and Garcia
Third trade
Pekovic and Barea to Boston
Gasol to Minny
Williams, Bradley, Sullinger, and Lee to L.A.
My new team
PG - Bledsoe/Barea/Barbosa
SG - Evans/Terry
SF - Green/Garcia/Joseph
PF - Garnett/Bass/Odom
C - Cousins/Pekovic/Wilcox/Collins/Melo
you traded Bass already.
First trade isn't enough for PP. Clips pick will be mid-20's and Odom is a shell of himself. Bledsoe is a bench player at best.
Second trade, Sac would have to think they can't do any better for a package of Evans and Cousins. I don't think they're that foolish, even for Rondo.
Third trade -- what's in it for Minny? Moving the best center they've had in a while along with their other trade pieces for a declining Gasol? They've finally got a team on the rise with Love, Rubio, Barea and Pekovic.
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I go into full bore rebuilding right now
First trade
Pierce for Bledsoe, Odom, and LAC #1
LA isn't giving up Bledsoe. He is perhaps the most improved player in the NBA this year, and is their insurance in case CP3 walks this summer. Next!
Second trade
Rondo, Bass, LAC #1 for Evans, Cousins, and Garcia
OK, this is probably realistic (not sure I would do it though)
Third trade
Pekovic and Barea to Boston
Gasol to Minny
Williams, Bradley, Sullinger, and Lee to L.A.
Why wouldn't LA want Pekovic and Barea over Sully, Bradley, and Lee? I just don't see LA doing that. Maybe bring in the 4th team?
Anyways, I just hate this type of activity, because we really have no idea what it would actually take to make any of these deals happen.
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ha!
Blowing it up is the easy part. The hard part is rebuilding through years of lottery, almost lottery.
Just ask Danny Ainge...
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I love that slam and chris in back to back picks say Bledsoe isn't getting moved while the other says he isn't enough for Pierce. Probably means the trade is pretty fair.
Minnesota wants Gasol. They have been after him for awhile and have reportedly already offered Williams, Pekovic, and something (for salary). Barea makes a lot of sense for both teams and is enough dollars, so I think that is a pretty reasonable trade. Supposedly L.A. isn't all that interested in that deal because Pekovic is redundant to Howard, that is why I think Boston could maybe get in on it by adding Bradley, Lee, and Sullinger. I could see Barea also going to L.A. and Boston just getting Pekovic.
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ha!
Blowing it up is the easy part. The hard part is rebuilding through years of lottery, almost lottery.
Just ask Danny Ainge...
Especially if we fired Ainge. Who would make all our good picks?!
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I love that slam and chris in back to back picks say Bledsoe isn't getting moved while the other says he isn't enough for Pierce. Probably means the trade is pretty fair.
Minnesota wants Gasol. They have been after him for awhile and have reportedly already offered Williams, Pekovic, and something (for salary). Barea makes a lot of sense for both teams and is enough dollars, so I think that is a pretty reasonable trade. Supposedly L.A. isn't all that interested in that deal because Pekovic is redundant to Howard, that is why I think Boston could maybe get in on it by adding Bradley, Lee, and Sullinger. I could see Barea also going to L.A. and Boston just getting Pekovic.
Well, I am right about Bledsoe ;)
Seriously. I think it is a very under the radar story (at least in the East), but Bledsoe has been spectacular this year, and given the rumors of Atlanta trying to bring together Paul and Howard, I just can't see them giving him up, unless they are getting another young star in return.
As for the Lakers/Wolves deal, I think there could be something there, but I just think a 4th team would be needed. The Sully/Bradley/Lee combination just doesn't make sense for the Lakers. Sully is a bad fit, and Lee and Bradley are a bit repetitive, and play the same position as their star.
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I love that slam and chris in back to back picks say Bledsoe isn't getting moved while the other says he isn't enough for Pierce. Probably means the trade is pretty fair.
Minnesota wants Gasol. They have been after him for awhile and have reportedly already offered Williams, Pekovic, and something (for salary). Barea makes a lot of sense for both teams and is enough dollars, so I think that is a pretty reasonable trade. Supposedly L.A. isn't all that interested in that deal because Pekovic is redundant to Howard, that is why I think Boston could maybe get in on it by adding Bradley, Lee, and Sullinger. I could see Barea also going to L.A. and Boston just getting Pekovic.
Well, I am right about Bledsoe ;)
Seriously. I think it is a very under the radar story (at least in the East), but Bledsoe has been spectacular this year, and given the rumors of Atlanta trying to bring together Paul and Howard, I just can't see them giving him up, unless they are getting another young star in return.
As for the Lakers/Wolves deal, I think there could be something there, but I just think a 4th team would be needed. The Sully/Bradley/Lee combination just doesn't make sense for the Lakers. Sully is a bad fit, and Lee and Bradley are a bit repetitive, and play the same position as their star.
Wow, Bledsoe's numbers are incredible. I knew they were very good earlier in the season but he has kept it up. Maybe even improved them. A much improved scorer to go along with his high level possession creation and defensive ability.
I haven't seen much of the Clippers yet this season. I don't particularly like their team or how they play. But I'll have to watch some more of their games to see Bledsoe.
The Clippers numbers as a team are very impressive also. They are right up there with Miami and Oklahoma on points per possession differential.
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I would do what it looks to me like aing is trying to do. Build an athletic team that can run with rondo. I have said before that i see the post PP/KG years as a team that can and should be modeled after the 2004 Nets. Rondo is the key after that AB looks to be a very nice fit at 2. Then it gets interesting. On paper Jeff Green is a great fir at the SF he just needs to play up to his potential. He needs to be a 16pt 5rb 30%+ 3pt shooting SF who is also solid on D. If he can do that we have 3 positions covered.
Now the hard part this team currently has 2 PFs. Bass is really not a starting talent. He is solid but not good enough to start on a non-star studded playoff team. Sully has the potential but his lack of athletism and D scares me. But lets say Sully develops into a Carlos Bozzer or poor mans Z-BO 12pts 9rb guy who can be serviceable as a team defender. If he cant my logical and at least realistically attainable target is Milsap.
Now on to the Center. If sully is the PF the center has to be long athletic and a defensive force. A tyson chandler type. Milsap's increased mobility makes this player slightly less important. Meaning we can win witha a B+ defender instead of an A+ guy. This where I see no clear answers. Maybe Robin Lopez? Maybe Melo develops? not sure
For the bench i would look to fill 3 roles..
1. 2/3 scorer, figure AB can spell rondo at point. This is where bench gets its offence. Maybe a Nick Young type player?
2. Stretch 4, a guy who can come in and hit shots and let us play some small ball. Kyle Singler?
3. A 4/5, rounded post player a possible role for Bass if still with team. Or Sully if he doesn't develop like we hope. A great role also to add an aged vet.
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I had a blow it up idea about an hour ago and I figured I'd share. This is for a mid-season blow up.
You start by trading KG. He will have to okay any trade of course so I figured we try to trade him to Oklahoma City. A package of Perkins/Lamb/PJIII coming to Boston for Garnett going to OKC. This likely puts the Thunder over the hump this year and gives them the odds for winning it all in the summer.
The other trade I had in mind was Garnett to the Spurs for Splitter/Green/Leonard. Not sure if Garnett and Duncan would play together but it would be a scary tandem of old guys for sure. Leonard would be a very nice piece to build with and Green has a nice shooting touch.
Then comes Pierce. Rumor has it Pierce veto'd a trade last season to the Nets. If he consents I move him where ever he wants to go for whatever young assets or picks they are willing to part with. Other than that I think the plan is the not pick up his option for next season. I'd be very happy getting a high first rounder like the Nets were offering last season.
That takes almonst 30M off the books. Then the biggest move. We trade Rondo for a package of young(er) talent. Examples include:
Cousins/Evans
Walker/Kidd-Gilchrist
Lawson/Faried/Fournier
Knight/Drummond
Jennings/Sanders
Holiday/Turner
Wall/Beal
The idea is to turn Rondo's high level of play into either young talent or high draft picks. I'd hope for both.
The last component of the rebuild is moving JET. He gets to go where he wants. Don't know exactly where he'd fit but a team like Indiana might like a guy who can close quarters well. Really it's up to him and he, like Pierce, can go where he pleases.
I'd keep Green and Lee while trying to move Bass.
Bradley/Lee/Green/Sully/Melo could be a starting unit next season if Melo progresses nicely. That is without any of the assets we get for moving our 4 veterans/stars.
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The other idea I had was to do a blockbuster with OKC. Move Rondo/KG/Lee for Westbrook/Perkins/Lamb/PJIII. Not sure that would happen this year but if neither team wins it all this year the off-season might make sense. I seriously cannot imagine how many assists Rondo would average playing with Durant. There isn't a place on the floor he can't make a shot from.
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I love that slam and chris in back to back picks say Bledsoe isn't getting moved while the other says he isn't enough for Pierce. Probably means the trade is pretty fair.
Minnesota wants Gasol. They have been after him for awhile and have reportedly already offered Williams, Pekovic, and something (for salary). Barea makes a lot of sense for both teams and is enough dollars, so I think that is a pretty reasonable trade. Supposedly L.A. isn't all that interested in that deal because Pekovic is redundant to Howard, that is why I think Boston could maybe get in on it by adding Bradley, Lee, and Sullinger. I could see Barea also going to L.A. and Boston just getting Pekovic.
Well, I am right about Bledsoe ;)
Seriously. I think it is a very under the radar story (at least in the East), but Bledsoe has been spectacular this year, and given the rumors of Atlanta trying to bring together Paul and Howard, I just can't see them giving him up, unless they are getting another young star in return.
As for the Lakers/Wolves deal, I think there could be something there, but I just think a 4th team would be needed. The Sully/Bradley/Lee combination just doesn't make sense for the Lakers. Sully is a bad fit, and Lee and Bradley are a bit repetitive, and play the same position as their star.
No, I'm right ;)
I understand he's improved this year but this guy is not in his second year. he'd need to put up the improved numbers for a while and they're not PP's numbers. Odom and the pick are still low value. add in that Bledsoe isn't a SF and I just don't see the appeal