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Celtics at crossroads this season.
« on: December 10, 2018, 10:38:32 PM »

Offline Ogaju

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Does the team become GSW or does the team go the way of the Ibaka/Harden Thunder team.

Some pretty tough decisions for OWNERSHIP going forward.

OWNERSHIP, because I trust Danny knows what to do, the only question is will owners open up the purse.

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« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2018, 11:22:14 PM »

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Ownership has already said they will spend what it takes for a championship type team.

Not sure what tough decisions they have to make. You re-sign Irving, Brown and Tatum when they become due. You re-sign Horford to less than he is making now. You probably let Rozier walk. You try to keep Mook. You continue to develop the youth including maybe a couple of high quality prospects next year.

And if a trade for a top 5 player materializes, you make that trade.

Oh, and you pay a lot of tax for quite some time.

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« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2018, 11:34:03 PM »

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I think the toughest decision will be what to do with our four first round draft picks.

I think Danny needs to trade some of them.

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« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2018, 11:36:11 PM »

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Agree we want to keep Mook, he gives our team some character and mongrel. How much you think he would take? Pretty sure he would want more than the taxpayer MLE?
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« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2018, 11:40:48 PM »

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Dump Rozier as a start .

Need Mook and Theis .....these two work like Smart at winning .   These three do the dirty work

Houston let the tuff defensive specialist go ,  and look what a pile of poo they are with just two divas.

It takes several of the hard hat guys to make the gears turn .

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« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2018, 11:47:27 PM »

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Dump Rozier as a start .

Need Mook and Theis .....these two work like Smart at winning .   These three do the dirty work

Houston let the tuff defensive specialist go ,  and look what a pile of poo they are with just two divas.

It takes several of the hard hat guys to make the gears turn .

EXACTLY. Hope Ainge and Stevens can see this now. If not, they are blind.

Danny should have learned his lesson after he traded Perk and we never sniffed the Finals again - all in the name of becoming more "athletic".
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Agree we want to keep Mook, he gives our team some character and mongrel. How much you think he would take? Pretty sure he would want more than the taxpayer MLE?

I think Mook has worked himself into the 3 year 13-15mill range. I think we could dump Yabu, and Bird to get under the tax. Which gives us better long term payroll flexibility, allowing us to pay all the kids, and possibly even Mook if he is willing to take a little discount.
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« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2018, 12:02:37 AM »

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Agree we want to keep Mook, he gives our team some character and mongrel. How much you think he would take? Pretty sure he would want more than the taxpayer MLE?

I think Mook has worked himself into the 3 year 13-15mill range. I think we could dump Yabu, and Bird to get under the tax. Which gives us better long term payroll flexibility, allowing us to pay all the kids, and possibly even Mook if he is willing to take a little discount.

no way he's taking that the way he's playing

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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2018, 12:10:36 AM »

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Agree we want to keep Mook, he gives our team some character and mongrel. How much you think he would take? Pretty sure he would want more than the taxpayer MLE?

I think Mook has worked himself into the 3 year 13-15mill range. I think we could dump Yabu, and Bird to get under the tax. Which gives us better long term payroll flexibility, allowing us to pay all the kids, and possibly even Mook if he is willing to take a little discount.

no way he's taking that the way he's playing

Yeah, I won't argue too hard, he's been pretty amazing.

But he'll be thirty on his next deal. Not many thirty year olds get deals bigger than that.
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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2018, 12:13:06 AM »

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Marcus Morris is the kind of guy you trade for when he's underpaid and wants to get properly paid.


You let somebody else overpay him after he's played great in a contract year.
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« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2018, 12:15:34 AM »

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Agree we want to keep Mook, he gives our team some character and mongrel. How much you think he would take? Pretty sure he would want more than the taxpayer MLE?

I think Mook has worked himself into the 3 year 13-15mill range. I think we could dump Yabu, and Bird to get under the tax. Which gives us better long term payroll flexibility, allowing us to pay all the kids, and possibly even Mook if he is willing to take a little discount.

no way he's taking that the way he's playing

Yeah, I won't argue too hard, he's been pretty amazing.

But he'll be thirty on his next deal. Not many thirty year olds get deals bigger than that.

pls tell me you mean 3 year 45 million deal and not 3 year 15 million because there is no way Morris is taking 5 million a year.

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« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2018, 12:44:13 AM »

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I think if a few months from now Morris is still receiving heavy minutes, it probably means bad things for one or both of Jaylen Brown and Gordon Hayward. 

It might make sense to sell high on Morris right now when you could feasibly get a protected 1st for him.  Sure, he's a rental, but because the team acquiring him retains his bird rights, he's gotta be seen as having some value.  Ultimately, the hope is that Hayward returns to an all-star level and I assume we'll want Brown to get major minutes off the bench. 

If ever there was a time to sell high - it's now.  Not a few months from now when Morris' shooting has come back down to Earth and fans are whining about him eating into Brown's minutes.

I don't like the idea of wasting an asset and letting him walk.  Realistically, our championship window begins next season when hopefully the Warriors will have broken up the band.  I love what Morris is doing right now, but I'm not sure it really matters with the big picture.  I'm still of the belief nobody comes close to beating a healthy Warriors team this season.  Most stacked team in NBA history.

You could talk me into the idea of keeping Morris long-term... especially if you really think we have a chance at landing Anthony Davis this Summer for a massive package built around players like Smart, Brown and all our draft picks.  A massive consolidation trade may put us in a position where Morris as a long-term fit makes sense.

If keeping him is genuinely in our best interest, I wonder how much you'd be willing to pay him if Markieff Morris coming on board for a wink wink vet min/MLE deal was also part of the transaction.  Remember, when the Suns extended Markieff and Marcus, they basically signed them to one contract worth 4 years 52 mil (26 mil each).  Those crazy twins are so close they actually share a bank account.  Logistically, one brother was signed to a significantly larger contract than the other.  I think Markieff ended up getting like 8 mil per year while Marcus made 5 mil per year, but none of it mattered since all the money was shared equally between the two... 

The point is... since both Morris brothers are unrestricted free agents and inseparable, the Wizards and the Celtics are in unique position to use their bird rights to re-sign their guy to whatever amount they want - and get the other brother on board for cheap. 

Example:  Boston could be like, "ok, we'll use our bird rights to extend Marcus at 20 mil per season contingent on Markieff signing for the vet min"... it's just the type of whacky cap circumvention Danny Ainge would adore. 

Taking that a step further, you have to assume that prospective teams are aware they could utilize one brother to snag both.  That might actually positively impact Marcus Morris' trade value even further... since a team like the Rockets could be like, "well if we give up a 1st for Marcus, we will be able to use our bird rights to keep him and get Markieff this Summer as well"... they'd be able to exceed the cap to basically whatever amount they want and the other guy can sign for an exception.  I mean, literally they could sign Marcus to a 30 mil max contract and Markieff to a 1 mil vet min contract and both brothers will ultimately end up with 15 mil per year since they are freaky weird twins that share everything.

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« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2018, 01:56:40 AM »

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The only tough decision that needs to be made is do you open the chest for Davis in the summer.

Of course it depends on what happens this season, but besides maybe dealing with Rozier, all the other moves (besides drafting/dealing/deferring all our picks) are pretty easy.

I trust Danny to make the right move.
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« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2018, 03:58:30 AM »

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Danny should have learned his lesson after he traded Perk and we never sniffed the Finals again - all in the name of becoming more "athletic".

Get real Perk was never the same and DA got rid of him at the right time.

Look at his stats, he was nothing after 2010....

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/perkike01.html

It is fan myth that he still had something in the tank because he was journeyman after that.

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« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2018, 04:12:31 AM »

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Danny should have learned his lesson after he traded Perk and we never sniffed the Finals again - all in the name of becoming more "athletic".

Get real Perk was never the same and DA got rid of him at the right time.

Look at his stats, he was nothing after 2010....

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/perkike01.html

It is fan myth that he still had something in the tank because he was journeyman after that.

I guess it depends how much OKC knew about his heart (which apparently, they knew something).

Regardless, Green’s upside was much higher than anything Perk achieved after leaving. Danny knew he was a product of the environment.

It may have upset the chemistry, but we probably weren’t winning that year anyway. I don’t hate that trade.
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