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Re: Patriots 2017 season
« Reply #210 on: December 12, 2017, 05:54:35 PM »

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Pats signed Kenny Britt through 2018. Very interesting

Sort of like the Michael Floyd acquisition last year late in the season.

Britt won't do a ton now, but he'll make plays here and there in the final weeks and some playoff games to contribute to (hopefully) wins the rest of the way. Solid #4/5 option and definitely some added insurance in case of nagging injuries the final 3 weeks of the season.
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Re: Patriots 2017 season
« Reply #211 on: December 12, 2017, 06:53:31 PM »

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Help me out here: If we lose to the Steelers, could we end up as the third seed and not get that first-round bye?

Assume we lost to Pittsburgh and Jacksonville wins the next three. Both division leaders end up as 12-4.

Best as I can tell, here are the tie-breakers:
https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/12/21/7345673/nfl-playoff-tiebreaker-rules-procedure-2014-afc-nfc

We both go 5-1 in the division.

Next tiebreaker is common games. We beat the Jets, but they beat the Steelers. We end up tied there.

In conference, though, we'll be 7-3, while they're 8-2.

Am I using the wrong tie-breakers, or is this a legit possibility?

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Not sure if you have it right, but I'd rather see the Pats NOT get a first-round bye; seems like the extra time off usually doesn't help them play better.

All 5 of their Super Bowl wins have come with a first round bye.  All 7 appearances under Belichick have come with a 1st round bye.  You absolutely want the bye.  It's one less game to play.  Less wear & tear.

Well, they've also been knocked out of the playoffs, either one or two weeks after having a bye, in 4 of the last 7 years (’10, ’12, ’13, ’15). I agree that more rest, less wear and tear, and more prep time generally are good things, but it often doesn't equate to wins for the Patriots.

I'm certain Brady is playing injured. He's fallen on his throwing arm a million times, and he's been flexing his hand/wrist for weeks now. He also missed 2 days of practice this week.

It's really unfortunate we traded Garoppolo, because even though there's no dropoff skill-wise for Brady, I'd wager a guess that his body won't hold up even until the end of next season.

Yeah, he's been getting pounded pretty good most of the season, which doesn't bode well.

Van Noy and Flowers are massive losses.

Not that worried. Win the next 3 games and you are the 1 seed.

I'm pretty concerned they'll lose to Pittsburgh next week. They get Gronk back, which should help, but the Steelers just put up 39 points against a Ravens D that's been quite a bit better than New England's for most of the season. Then they host the Bills and Jets, two teams they should beat—but that's what I said about Miami, too. The Jets game especially could be a trap—it's the last game of the season, at home, against a team that just lost its starting QB for the season; that has "Patriots loss" written all over it.
The Steelers put up 39 points on a great Ravens D but they also got torched by a mediocre Ravens offense.

Shazier is incredibly important to that defense. Without him they are a bad defensive team. Everything they did was built around his speed at linebacker.

The team is coming off a loss. Gronk should be extra fresh. Hopefully Flowers, Van Noy and Waddle are back. Dont see a reason to panic. They played a bad game against a very fired up Dolphins team in Miami. Expect a comfortable win next week.

Yeah, the Steelers offense hasn't been anything special this season, despite still being ranked in the top 10 (they've given up tons of big plays), but the Miami defense has been considerably worse (ranked No. 16 right now) and the Pats struggled to score 20 points against it. Gronk's absence was a big deal, but the team still has enough weapons that the offense shouldn't have struggled against Miami. Brady was off, and the only guys who didn't seem discombobulated were Burkhead and Lewis.

I certainly hope for a bounceback effort, but it's gonna be tough.
Steelers defense - Shazier is a whole different animal than the top 10 ranked Steelers defense.

Also, losing 1 or 2 weeks after a bye isnt a noteworthy stat.

There are only 3 possible weeks after a bye. Bye weeks are good. The idea that it is better to play a football game against a team good enough to make the playoffs is better than resting for a week seems absurd to me.

Points taken. I just hope that, whatever the situation, they have their heads in the game, as opposed to in the sand like they did last night.
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Re: Patriots 2017 season
« Reply #212 on: December 17, 2017, 06:41:07 PM »

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So, another underwhelming and frustrating Patriots performance. The Steelers just gave up 35 points to the Ravens last week, but the might Pats have gotten only 16. Say bye-bye to the bye.
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Re: Patriots 2017 season
« Reply #213 on: December 17, 2017, 07:18:54 PM »

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Worst “rule” in the NFL.  Steelers got jobbed.

Great defense on that INT though.


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Re: Patriots 2017 season
« Reply #214 on: December 17, 2017, 07:23:35 PM »

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Worst “rule” in the NFL.  Steelers got jobbed.

Great defense on that INT though.
It's amazing how long it took the crew in the broadcast booth to figure out what they were reviewing. You could see the bobble two replays in.
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Re: Patriots 2017 season
« Reply #215 on: December 17, 2017, 07:25:43 PM »

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Worst “rule” in the NFL.  Steelers got jobbed.

Great defense on that INT though.

Dumb play by the receiver.

This rule is nothing new, so I have no sympathy for the Steelers. it was a mental mistake. Gotta control the ball all the way to the ground.

Re: Patriots 2017 season
« Reply #216 on: December 17, 2017, 07:27:38 PM »

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Worst “rule” in the NFL.  Steelers got jobbed.

Great defense on that INT though.

Dumb play by the receiver.

This rule is nothing new, so I have no sympathy for the Steelers. it was a mental mistake. Gotta control the ball all the way to the ground.

Might be a dumb rule, like the tuck rule, but yeah, it's not new. Besides, Pittsburgh could've sealed it before that but dropped an INT.
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Re: Patriots 2017 season
« Reply #217 on: December 17, 2017, 07:27:56 PM »

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Bonus footage of Jimmy G on a potential game-winning drive now.
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« Reply #218 on: December 17, 2017, 07:29:30 PM »

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Bonus footage of Jimmy G on a potential game-winning drive now.
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Re: Patriots 2017 season
« Reply #219 on: December 17, 2017, 07:30:01 PM »

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Worst “rule” in the NFL.  Steelers got jobbed.

Great defense on that INT though.

Patriots are still getting positive payback for those two ridiculous SB losses to the Giants. ;)
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Re: Patriots 2017 season
« Reply #220 on: December 17, 2017, 07:32:55 PM »

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Jimmy G looks so good. I'm bitter.
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Re: Patriots 2017 season
« Reply #221 on: December 17, 2017, 07:34:29 PM »

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The most exciting game and improbable win for the Pats since the Super Bowl. Pittsburgh people complaining about the non-TD are just spouting sour grapes. The rule has been around a long time and it was prrtty obvious that he didn't control the ball all the way through contact with the ground.

Unbelievable game. Go Pats.

Re: Patriots 2017 season
« Reply #222 on: December 17, 2017, 07:49:53 PM »

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wow that last overturn was huge, can someone explain how that was ruled as an incomplete? I thought he had perfect control of the ball and extended for the TD?

Re: Patriots 2017 season
« Reply #223 on: December 17, 2017, 07:52:32 PM »

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wow that last overturn was huge, can someone explain how that was ruled as an incomplete? I thought he had perfect control of the ball and extended for the TD?

James made that catch as he was going to the ground, so he never actually established possession of the ball before hitting the ground, then, when he hits the ground, the ball hits the ground and pops loose.

Basically, he didn't "complete the catch process." If a caught ball touches the ground, it’s not a catch. The receiver needs to have his hands under it. See: Edelman’s catch in the last Super Bowl.
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Re: Patriots 2017 season
« Reply #224 on: December 17, 2017, 07:53:31 PM »

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The most exciting game and improbable win for the Pats since the Super Bowl. Pittsburgh people complaining about the non-TD are just spouting sour grapes. The rule has been around a long time and it was prrtty obvious that he didn't control the ball all the way through contact with the ground.

Unbelievable game. Go Pats.

I agree with all of your points—super exciting game (though depressing for much of it), and the rule is clear.
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