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Title: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: CelticsElite on November 17, 2017, 06:35:34 PM
And who do you think they will be?

Kyrie: 20/3/5.  putting up nice numbers.

Horford: averaging 15/9/4 so far. Very nice numbers around his career highs. He belongs .

Brown: 15/6/1. Decent numbers. Are they enough? And are sophomores even allowed or they go in the rookie game still?

Tatum: 13/5/1 are rookies even allowed in the all star game? Regardless he will be there in the rookie game



On October 3, 2017, the NBA announced that the format would change from the traditional Eastern Conference versus Western Conference format, and would instead switch to a draft-style format. The team captains will be determined by the most votes received in their respective conference. Each team will pick a charity to play for, and the winning team will have money donated to their charity

Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game?
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on November 17, 2017, 07:06:28 PM
I think Horford's playing like an all-star but won't get picked, and that Irving (strange as this sounds) is likely to be the only representative of the best team in the East.
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game?
Post by: nickagneta on November 17, 2017, 07:10:49 PM
I think Kyrie and Horford will make it. I think its pretty obvious Al has rejuvenated his game, is rebounding better than he has in years, is the best passing big man in the league and is playing Defensive Player of the Year quality defense. There's just not a lot of all-star quality bigs in the east.
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game?
Post by: byennie on November 17, 2017, 07:30:47 PM
It should be Horford then Irving, and that's probably it. Brown and Tatum look great, but I don't think they're on track for an All-Star game just yet.

Horford is off the charts right now. He's shooting 64% from 2PT, 44% from 3PT and 84% FT. He's top-20 in rebounds & top-40 in assists. Offensive rating of 120 and defensive of 97. All of that with 15/9/4 which not many can match in counting stats.

Irving has been very good, too, but if he's still seen as offense-only he could potentially draw a snub with his current averages.
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game?
Post by: Celtics4ever on November 17, 2017, 07:39:03 PM
I agree Kyrie and Al will make it.   Tatum, I think will be in the rookie game or the equivalent.   It will be hard to justify Brown making it with DeRozan being a given at SG, perhaps Beal?
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game?
Post by: CelticsElite on November 19, 2017, 11:56:58 PM
So looks like we get 2. How will they do the coaching staff? Guessing the captains pick the coach
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: incoherent on November 20, 2017, 12:25:37 AM
Hey we can vote Jaylen in I'm pretty sure.  We should do that.
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: GreenEnvy on November 20, 2017, 02:51:51 AM
Yep, Kyrie and Al.

Tatum and Brown to the rook/soph game.
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game?
Post by: JohnBoy65 on November 20, 2017, 07:46:02 AM
So looks like we get 2. How will they do the coaching staff? Guessing the captains pick the coach

They're keeping the same format. The team with the best record in the East, that staff coaches the game. Brad and his staff cannot coach this year though because they coached last year. As of right now it would be Stan Van Gundy coaching the Eastern All Stars. Who would've thought!
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: Redz on November 20, 2017, 07:51:19 AM
If Brown keeps playing anything close to how he has the last couple and the Celts keep winning at a 60+ win pace he'll deserve to be there as much as anyone.  Ill say 3 in hopes of watching that continue to develop.
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: jambr380 on November 20, 2017, 08:04:47 AM
If Brown keeps playing anything close to how he he's the last couple and the Celts keep winning at a 60+ win pace he'll deserve to be there as much as anyone.  Ill say 3 in hopes of watching that continue to develop.

I'll 2nd this. If the Cs are still obliterating the East, there will really be no justification for not giving them 3 All-Stars. Brown will probably need to get that average up closer to 18 PPG to be a 'guarantee', but I don't see how you can give the Hawks 4 All-Stars a few years ago with the Cs only getting 1-2 this year. Record does matter.

But, again, while the Cs don't need to continue to win every game for this to happen, they do need to have a comfortable lead at #1 (not like last year).
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: Moranis on November 20, 2017, 09:09:41 AM
I think it is just Irving.  Though wouldn't be totally surprised to see Horford or Brown make it. 
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: wdleehi on November 20, 2017, 09:12:12 AM
I think if Brown was a more consistent FT shooter (over 70% at least) he would be a shoo in. 


I also believe his play is going to get better as the year goes on so I vote 3 with the belief he can get in with a few more big games on national games. 
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: Csfan1984 on November 20, 2017, 09:16:08 AM
Horford, Irving, Brown. And Stevens coaching
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: wdleehi on November 20, 2017, 09:17:30 AM
Horford, Irving, Brown. And Stevens coaching


He can't coach again after coaching last year, right?   (no back to back coaches)
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 20, 2017, 09:23:56 AM
Kyrie , Al and Brown .
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: footey on November 20, 2017, 10:10:48 AM
2; Unless Brown gets his scoring average up to 20 ppg, which he can do if he hits his free throws!!
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: trickybilly on November 20, 2017, 10:19:20 AM
I guess I would trade Jaylen for Giannis.. But jesus ****.. Get with the times,  you have to be able to shoot. Remarkably,  Jaylen shoots good..  Maybe really good.

It's why I trust Americans over Mexicans. Just more trustworthy with morally sound shooting..
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: Vermont Green on November 20, 2017, 10:25:40 AM
Kyrie for sure and then probably Horford as well due to the dearth of big men.  Brown and Tatum, however deserving they may end up being, are just not well known enough.  I suppose the  players/media vote will help with the voting potentially and then of course the coaches can make selections.  Isn't Stevens going to be a coach?
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: Moranis on November 20, 2017, 10:35:22 AM
Barring injury, these seem like locks for the all star game

G - DeRozan, Irving, Walker, Wall, Beal
F - LBJ, Giannis, Porzingis, Embiid, Simmons

That leaves 2 spots for any other Celtics, along with guys like Drummond, Harris, Lowry, Oladipo, Love, Fournier, Gordon, Dragic, Whiteside, Schroder, etc.

I'm just not sure the coaches will put Horford on the team given who else it out there.  The odds of Brown making it are almost 0, especially with him being a guard (only 4 to 6 guards can make the team, while 6 to 8 forwards can).  My guess right now is Love and Oladipo are the last 2, but a lot can change before the voting.
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: wdleehi on November 20, 2017, 10:38:29 AM
Barring injury, these seem like locks for the all star game

G - DeRozan, Irving, Walker, Wall, Beal
F - LBJ, Giannis, Porzingis, Embiid, Simmons

That leaves 2 spots for any other Celtics, along with guys like Drummond, Harris, Lowry, Oladipo, Love, Fournier, Gordon, Dragic, Whiteside, Schroder, etc.

I'm just not sure the coaches will put Horford on the team given who else it out there.  The odds of Brown making it are almost 0, especially with him being a guard (only 4 to 6 guards can make the team, while 6 to 8 forwards can).  My guess right now is Love and Oladipo are the last 2, but a lot can change before the voting.


Don't see two sixers making the team (let alone seeing two sixers healthy by that time)
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: KGs Knee on November 20, 2017, 10:59:06 AM
Barring injury, these seem like locks for the all star game

G - DeRozan, Irving, Walker, Wall, Beal
F - LBJ, Giannis, Porzingis, Embiid, Simmons

That leaves 2 spots for any other Celtics, along with guys like Drummond, Harris, Lowry, Oladipo, Love, Fournier, Gordon, Dragic, Whiteside, Schroder, etc.

I'm just not sure the coaches will put Horford on the team given who else it out there.  The odds of Brown making it are almost 0, especially with him being a guard (only 4 to 6 guards can make the team, while 6 to 8 forwards can).  My guess right now is Love and Oladipo are the last 2, but a lot can change before the voting.

Coaches will not put Simmons on the All-Star team ahead of Horford. Horford has been the more deserving player and is on the team with the best record (currently). Simmons will have his day, but not yet.
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: footey on November 20, 2017, 11:02:39 AM
If we keep winning like this until the voting ends, we will get two All Stars, Kyrie and probably Al Horford.

It's too bad the All Star roster only has 12; they should expand it to 15.
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: Moranis on November 20, 2017, 11:10:34 AM
Barring injury, these seem like locks for the all star game

G - DeRozan, Irving, Walker, Wall, Beal
F - LBJ, Giannis, Porzingis, Embiid, Simmons

That leaves 2 spots for any other Celtics, along with guys like Drummond, Harris, Lowry, Oladipo, Love, Fournier, Gordon, Dragic, Whiteside, Schroder, etc.

I'm just not sure the coaches will put Horford on the team given who else it out there.  The odds of Brown making it are almost 0, especially with him being a guard (only 4 to 6 guards can make the team, while 6 to 8 forwards can).  My guess right now is Love and Oladipo are the last 2, but a lot can change before the voting.

Coaches will not put Simmons on the All-Star team ahead of Horford. Horford has been the more deserving player and is on the team with the best record (currently). Simmons will have his day, but not yet.
It is far too hard to ignore Simmons numbers though, and it isn't like the Sixers are a bad team.  I just don't see the guy that is currently averaging 18.1 p, 9.1 r, 8.0 a, and 1.9 s, not being on the all star team.  He is shooting over 52% and the advanced metrics, even the defensive ones, actually like him a lot.  Horford does a lot of the little things, but statistically just doesn't measure up at just 14.9 p, 8.8 r, and 4.5 a.  Simmons has been the more impactful player this year. 
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: KGs Knee on November 20, 2017, 11:15:35 AM
Barring injury, these seem like locks for the all star game

G - DeRozan, Irving, Walker, Wall, Beal
F - LBJ, Giannis, Porzingis, Embiid, Simmons

That leaves 2 spots for any other Celtics, along with guys like Drummond, Harris, Lowry, Oladipo, Love, Fournier, Gordon, Dragic, Whiteside, Schroder, etc.

I'm just not sure the coaches will put Horford on the team given who else it out there.  The odds of Brown making it are almost 0, especially with him being a guard (only 4 to 6 guards can make the team, while 6 to 8 forwards can).  My guess right now is Love and Oladipo are the last 2, but a lot can change before the voting.

Coaches will not put Simmons on the All-Star team ahead of Horford. Horford has been the more deserving player and is on the team with the best record (currently). Simmons will have his day, but not yet.
It is far too hard to ignore Simmons numbers though, and it isn't like the Sixers are a bad team.  I just don't see the guy that is currently averaging 18.1 p, 9.1 r, 8.0 a, and 1.9 s, not being on the all star team.  He is shooting over 52% and the advanced metrics, even the defensive ones, actually like him a lot.  Horford does a lot of the little things, but statistically just doesn't measure up at just 14.9 p, 8.8 r, and 4.5 a.  Simmons has been the more impactful player this year. 

Sure, if you believe raw stats tell the whole story. But we all know that isn't true, and anyone who watches the games can see that Horford has the bigger impact on winning right now. Horford does more, especially on the defensive side of the ball, to put his team in the best position to win games.

Horford will be an All-Star this year, I have no doubts.
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: D Dub on November 20, 2017, 11:26:48 AM
ALL STAR AL

will not be denied this year.  not the way he is orchestrating a generationally good defense, and knocking down the three.  you can make the argument only Porzingis is playing better, but it’s still a worthy debate because of how well Horford plays pick/roll on both sides of the ball. 

Simmons maybe an all star also, but at ALL STAR AL’s expense. 
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: Moranis on November 20, 2017, 11:29:37 AM
Barring injury, these seem like locks for the all star game

G - DeRozan, Irving, Walker, Wall, Beal
F - LBJ, Giannis, Porzingis, Embiid, Simmons

That leaves 2 spots for any other Celtics, along with guys like Drummond, Harris, Lowry, Oladipo, Love, Fournier, Gordon, Dragic, Whiteside, Schroder, etc.

I'm just not sure the coaches will put Horford on the team given who else it out there.  The odds of Brown making it are almost 0, especially with him being a guard (only 4 to 6 guards can make the team, while 6 to 8 forwards can).  My guess right now is Love and Oladipo are the last 2, but a lot can change before the voting.

Coaches will not put Simmons on the All-Star team ahead of Horford. Horford has been the more deserving player and is on the team with the best record (currently). Simmons will have his day, but not yet.
It is far too hard to ignore Simmons numbers though, and it isn't like the Sixers are a bad team.  I just don't see the guy that is currently averaging 18.1 p, 9.1 r, 8.0 a, and 1.9 s, not being on the all star team.  He is shooting over 52% and the advanced metrics, even the defensive ones, actually like him a lot.  Horford does a lot of the little things, but statistically just doesn't measure up at just 14.9 p, 8.8 r, and 4.5 a.  Simmons has been the more impactful player this year. 

Sure, if you believe raw stats tell the whole story. But we all know that isn't true, and anyone who watches the games can see that Horford has the bigger impact on winning right now. Horford does more, especially on the defensive side of the ball, to put his team in the best position to win games.

Horford will be an All-Star this year, I have no doubts.
I'm not saying he doesn't deserve it, I just don't think it is a guarantee, because statistically he doesn't measure up.  Boston also won the 2 games he was out so the winning train just continued right on like he didn't matter.
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: Big333223 on November 20, 2017, 01:40:08 PM
Coaches tend to reward winning (think Kyle Korver's all star appearance). If the Celtics still have something close to the best record in the East, Al should be a shoo-in with the way he's played and how important to the team he's been.

As for Jaylen, I think Kyrie, Kemba Walker, Demar Derozan, John Wall, Brad Beal, Victor Oladipo, and Goran Dragic are all guards who are obviously ahead of him. And Ben Simmons probably would be as well if he's submitted as a guard. I don't see it for Jaylen this year unless he turns his last 2 performances into regular nights here on out.
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: jambr380 on November 20, 2017, 02:12:02 PM
Coaches tend to reward winning (think Kyle Korver's all star appearance). If the Celtics still have something close to the best record in the East, Al should be a shoo-in with the way he's played and how important to the team he's been.

Again, I think it depends on if the Cs continue to win and players like Jaylen continue to progress. That 60 win Hawks team with 4 all-stars didn't exactly light it up statistically:

Millsap - 16.7 PPG / 7.8 RPG
Teague - 15.9 PPG / 7.0 APG
Horford - 15.2 PPG / 7.2 RPG
Korver - 12.1 PPG / 4.1 RPG

Right now, Jaylen is putting up 15.8 PPG / 6.6 RPG while playing elite level defense. If people want to say that there are more top level players in the East now than in 2014-15, that is a different argument, but with the way the Cs are winning, Tatum is looking like the one that will be 'rewarded' while Jaylen, Al, and Irving are a given.
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: GregKitesMom on November 20, 2017, 02:13:03 PM
Kyrie and Al
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: celticsclay on November 20, 2017, 02:35:55 PM
Coaches tend to reward winning (think Kyle Korver's all star appearance). If the Celtics still have something close to the best record in the East, Al should be a shoo-in with the way he's played and how important to the team he's been.

Again, I think it depends on if the Cs continue to win and players like Jaylen continue to progress. That 60 win Hawks team with 4 all-stars didn't exactly light it up statistically:

Millsap - 16.7 PPG / 7.8 RPG
Teague - 15.9 PPG / 7.0 APG
Horford - 15.2 PPG / 7.2 RPG
Korver - 12.1 PPG / 4.1 RPG

Right now, Jaylen is putting up 15.8 PPG / 6.6 RPG while playing elite level defense. If people want to say that there are more top level players in the East now than in 2014-15, that is a different argument, but with the way the Cs are winning, Tatum is looking like the one that will be 'rewarded' while Jaylen, Al, and Irving are a given.

If we are plugging along when all stars are announced at 30-5 (which is obviously a huge question) it seems there is no way we have 1 all-star. I was briefly thinking that the Spurs only had one all-star one of the years they had a great record (2015-2016), but Aldridge actually made it that year. So two would really be the lowest I think we could go if we keep winning like this.
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: Moranis on November 20, 2017, 02:42:52 PM
Coaches tend to reward winning (think Kyle Korver's all star appearance). If the Celtics still have something close to the best record in the East, Al should be a shoo-in with the way he's played and how important to the team he's been.

Again, I think it depends on if the Cs continue to win and players like Jaylen continue to progress. That 60 win Hawks team with 4 all-stars didn't exactly light it up statistically:

Millsap - 16.7 PPG / 7.8 RPG
Teague - 15.9 PPG / 7.0 APG
Horford - 15.2 PPG / 7.2 RPG
Korver - 12.1 PPG / 4.1 RPG

Right now, Jaylen is putting up 15.8 PPG / 6.6 RPG while playing elite level defense. If people want to say that there are more top level players in the East now than in 2014-15, that is a different argument, but with the way the Cs are winning, Tatum is looking like the one that will be 'rewarded' while Jaylen, Al, and Irving are a given.

If we are plugging along when all stars are announced at 30-5 (which is obviously a huge question) it seems there is no way we have 1 all-star. I was briefly thinking that the Spurs only had one all-star one of the years they had a great record (2015-2016), but Aldridge actually made it that year. So two would really be the lowest I think we could go if we keep winning like this.
After game 35, the Spurs were 28-7 last year and only had 1 all star.  Houston was 26-9 and also only had 1 all star. 
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: wdleehi on November 20, 2017, 02:44:32 PM
Coaches tend to reward winning (think Kyle Korver's all star appearance). If the Celtics still have something close to the best record in the East, Al should be a shoo-in with the way he's played and how important to the team he's been.

Again, I think it depends on if the Cs continue to win and players like Jaylen continue to progress. That 60 win Hawks team with 4 all-stars didn't exactly light it up statistically:

Millsap - 16.7 PPG / 7.8 RPG
Teague - 15.9 PPG / 7.0 APG
Horford - 15.2 PPG / 7.2 RPG
Korver - 12.1 PPG / 4.1 RPG

Right now, Jaylen is putting up 15.8 PPG / 6.6 RPG while playing elite level defense. If people want to say that there are more top level players in the East now than in 2014-15, that is a different argument, but with the way the Cs are winning, Tatum is looking like the one that will be 'rewarded' while Jaylen, Al, and Irving are a given.

If we are plugging along when all stars are announced at 30-5 (which is obviously a huge question) it seems there is no way we have 1 all-star. I was briefly thinking that the Spurs only had one all-star one of the years they had a great record (2015-2016), but Aldridge actually made it that year. So two would really be the lowest I think we could go if we keep winning like this.
After game 35, the Spurs were 28-7 last year and only had 1 all star.  Houston was 26-9 and also only had 1 all star.


Loaded West plus no one on those teams playing at the level of Horford as a 2nd star. 
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: footey on November 20, 2017, 02:49:47 PM
Coaches tend to reward winning (think Kyle Korver's all star appearance). If the Celtics still have something close to the best record in the East, Al should be a shoo-in with the way he's played and how important to the team he's been.

Again, I think it depends on if the Cs continue to win and players like Jaylen continue to progress. That 60 win Hawks team with 4 all-stars didn't exactly light it up statistically:

Millsap - 16.7 PPG / 7.8 RPG
Teague - 15.9 PPG / 7.0 APG
Horford - 15.2 PPG / 7.2 RPG
Korver - 12.1 PPG / 4.1 RPG

Right now, Jaylen is putting up 15.8 PPG / 6.6 RPG while playing elite level defense. If people want to say that there are more top level players in the East now than in 2014-15, that is a different argument, but with the way the Cs are winning, Tatum is looking like the one that will be 'rewarded' while Jaylen, Al, and Irving are a given.

Korver made the All Star team that year? C'mon.
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: celticsclay on November 20, 2017, 02:54:08 PM
Coaches tend to reward winning (think Kyle Korver's all star appearance). If the Celtics still have something close to the best record in the East, Al should be a shoo-in with the way he's played and how important to the team he's been.

Again, I think it depends on if the Cs continue to win and players like Jaylen continue to progress. That 60 win Hawks team with 4 all-stars didn't exactly light it up statistically:

Millsap - 16.7 PPG / 7.8 RPG
Teague - 15.9 PPG / 7.0 APG
Horford - 15.2 PPG / 7.2 RPG
Korver - 12.1 PPG / 4.1 RPG

Right now, Jaylen is putting up 15.8 PPG / 6.6 RPG while playing elite level defense. If people want to say that there are more top level players in the East now than in 2014-15, that is a different argument, but with the way the Cs are winning, Tatum is looking like the one that will be 'rewarded' while Jaylen, Al, and Irving are a given.

If we are plugging along when all stars are announced at 30-5 (which is obviously a huge question) it seems there is no way we have 1 all-star. I was briefly thinking that the Spurs only had one all-star one of the years they had a great record (2015-2016), but Aldridge actually made it that year. So two would really be the lowest I think we could go if we keep winning like this.
After game 35, the Spurs were 28-7 last year and only had 1 all star.  Houston was 26-9 and also only had 1 all star.

I guess I should qualify my statement then if a team has the best record in their conference (especially by a decent margin) Last year at the break are talking about the team with the second and third best record there (warriors were number 1). If we were 25-9 and had the second or third best record than I actually think we Don't get a 2nd or 3rd all-star. Right now we have the best record by 3.5 games.

Last year is probably an example of this also for the Celtics. They were 23-15 or something like that and had a worse record than the Cavs. If had been 29-11 or whatever and were 5 games up on the Cavs we probably would have gotten someone else in.

Are there any times where a team had the best record in their conference by 5 games or more at the all-star break and only got one all-star? I could be wrong on this and that would change my opinion on this, but it doesn't seem to be something I recall happening much...
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: Moranis on November 20, 2017, 03:28:19 PM
Coaches tend to reward winning (think Kyle Korver's all star appearance). If the Celtics still have something close to the best record in the East, Al should be a shoo-in with the way he's played and how important to the team he's been.

Again, I think it depends on if the Cs continue to win and players like Jaylen continue to progress. That 60 win Hawks team with 4 all-stars didn't exactly light it up statistically:

Millsap - 16.7 PPG / 7.8 RPG
Teague - 15.9 PPG / 7.0 APG
Horford - 15.2 PPG / 7.2 RPG
Korver - 12.1 PPG / 4.1 RPG

Right now, Jaylen is putting up 15.8 PPG / 6.6 RPG while playing elite level defense. If people want to say that there are more top level players in the East now than in 2014-15, that is a different argument, but with the way the Cs are winning, Tatum is looking like the one that will be 'rewarded' while Jaylen, Al, and Irving are a given.

If we are plugging along when all stars are announced at 30-5 (which is obviously a huge question) it seems there is no way we have 1 all-star. I was briefly thinking that the Spurs only had one all-star one of the years they had a great record (2015-2016), but Aldridge actually made it that year. So two would really be the lowest I think we could go if we keep winning like this.
After game 35, the Spurs were 28-7 last year and only had 1 all star.  Houston was 26-9 and also only had 1 all star.


Loaded West plus no one on those teams playing at the level of Horford as a 2nd star.
Last year Aldridge averaged 17/7/2 in 32 mpg.  That isn't a whole lot different than Horford. 
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: bdm860 on November 20, 2017, 03:29:02 PM
Coaches tend to reward winning (think Kyle Korver's all star appearance). If the Celtics still have something close to the best record in the East, Al should be a shoo-in with the way he's played and how important to the team he's been.

Again, I think it depends on if the Cs continue to win and players like Jaylen continue to progress. That 60 win Hawks team with 4 all-stars didn't exactly light it up statistically:

Millsap - 16.7 PPG / 7.8 RPG
Teague - 15.9 PPG / 7.0 APG
Horford - 15.2 PPG / 7.2 RPG
Korver - 12.1 PPG / 4.1 RPG

Right now, Jaylen is putting up 15.8 PPG / 6.6 RPG while playing elite level defense. If people want to say that there are more top level players in the East now than in 2014-15, that is a different argument, but with the way the Cs are winning, Tatum is looking like the one that will be 'rewarded' while Jaylen, Al, and Irving are a given.

Korver made the All Star team that year? C'mon.

He was an injury replacement, selected by neither the fans nor the coaches.

The Hawks were on a 65 win pace, 6.5 games up on the next closest EC team.

All-Star lock Paul George was out for practically the season.
Prior year All-Star DeMar DeRozan missed 21 games before the All-Star game.
All-Star hopeful Kemba Walker was injured when All-Star reserve selections were made.
Derrick Rose showing he was never getting back to pre-injury form.
Kevin Love and Cleveland were underwhelming.

The East had only 5 teams finish the year with a record above .500.

It took a lot to go right for Atlanta to get those 4 All-Stars.
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: jambr380 on November 20, 2017, 03:30:34 PM
Coaches tend to reward winning (think Kyle Korver's all star appearance). If the Celtics still have something close to the best record in the East, Al should be a shoo-in with the way he's played and how important to the team he's been.

Again, I think it depends on if the Cs continue to win and players like Jaylen continue to progress. That 60 win Hawks team with 4 all-stars didn't exactly light it up statistically:

Millsap - 16.7 PPG / 7.8 RPG
Teague - 15.9 PPG / 7.0 APG
Horford - 15.2 PPG / 7.2 RPG
Korver - 12.1 PPG / 4.1 RPG

Right now, Jaylen is putting up 15.8 PPG / 6.6 RPG while playing elite level defense. If people want to say that there are more top level players in the East now than in 2014-15, that is a different argument, but with the way the Cs are winning, Tatum is looking like the one that will be 'rewarded' while Jaylen, Al, and Irving are a given.

If we are plugging along when all stars are announced at 30-5 (which is obviously a huge question) it seems there is no way we have 1 all-star. I was briefly thinking that the Spurs only had one all-star one of the years they had a great record (2015-2016), but Aldridge actually made it that year. So two would really be the lowest I think we could go if we keep winning like this.
After game 35, the Spurs were 28-7 last year and only had 1 all star.  Houston was 26-9 and also only had 1 all star.

I guess I should qualify my statement then if a team has the best record in their conference (especially by a decent margin) Last year at the break are talking about the team with the second and third best record there (warriors were number 1). If we were 25-9 and had the second or third best record than I actually think we Don't get a 2nd or 3rd all-star. Right now we have the best record by 3.5 games.

Last year is probably an example of this also for the Celtics. They were 23-15 or something like that and had a worse record than the Cavs. If had been 29-11 or whatever and were 5 games up on the Cavs we probably would have gotten someone else in.

Are there any times where a team had the best record in their conference by 5 games or more at the all-star break and only got one all-star? I could be wrong on this and that would change my opinion on this, but it doesn't seem to be something I recall happening much...

Yeah, I mean the Warriors are raining on everybody's All-Star parade right now. When one team gets 1/3 of a conference's All-Stars, this really limits the remaining representatives - especially in a star-studded Western Conference.

This really is all contingent on the Cs running away with the EC. If they are just 1st, but not amazingly 1st, Irving and Al will make it. If they are blowing everybody else away, Jaylen will also get the nod (as long as he doesn't fall off). That's just how it works.
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: Moranis on November 20, 2017, 03:37:50 PM
Coaches tend to reward winning (think Kyle Korver's all star appearance). If the Celtics still have something close to the best record in the East, Al should be a shoo-in with the way he's played and how important to the team he's been.

Again, I think it depends on if the Cs continue to win and players like Jaylen continue to progress. That 60 win Hawks team with 4 all-stars didn't exactly light it up statistically:

Millsap - 16.7 PPG / 7.8 RPG
Teague - 15.9 PPG / 7.0 APG
Horford - 15.2 PPG / 7.2 RPG
Korver - 12.1 PPG / 4.1 RPG

Right now, Jaylen is putting up 15.8 PPG / 6.6 RPG while playing elite level defense. If people want to say that there are more top level players in the East now than in 2014-15, that is a different argument, but with the way the Cs are winning, Tatum is looking like the one that will be 'rewarded' while Jaylen, Al, and Irving are a given.

If we are plugging along when all stars are announced at 30-5 (which is obviously a huge question) it seems there is no way we have 1 all-star. I was briefly thinking that the Spurs only had one all-star one of the years they had a great record (2015-2016), but Aldridge actually made it that year. So two would really be the lowest I think we could go if we keep winning like this.
After game 35, the Spurs were 28-7 last year and only had 1 all star.  Houston was 26-9 and also only had 1 all star.

I guess I should qualify my statement then if a team has the best record in their conference (especially by a decent margin) Last year at the break are talking about the team with the second and third best record there (warriors were number 1). If we were 25-9 and had the second or third best record than I actually think we Don't get a 2nd or 3rd all-star. Right now we have the best record by 3.5 games.

Last year is probably an example of this also for the Celtics. They were 23-15 or something like that and had a worse record than the Cavs. If had been 29-11 or whatever and were 5 games up on the Cavs we probably would have gotten someone else in.

Are there any times where a team had the best record in their conference by 5 games or more at the all-star break and only got one all-star? I could be wrong on this and that would change my opinion on this, but it doesn't seem to be something I recall happening much...
In 09/10 only James made the all star team from the eventual 61-21 Cavs.  I don't know if Cleveland was the 1 seed at the break, but they were the only 60+ win team in all of basketball that year. Orlando was next closest at 59 wins and they like Cleveland only had 1 all star (Dwight).  Dallas (the 2nd best team in the west that year) only had Dirk "make" the team.  Kidd replaced Kobe giving Dallas 2 and only Pau played from the Lakers who were the top seed in the west (as a result of the Kobe injury). 

I have no idea how frequently it happens, but James' first stint in Cleveland seemed like a good place to look and it didn't take long to find an example (probably 2 actually since Cleveland and Orlando were both high win teams with just 1 all star). 
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: Donoghus on November 20, 2017, 03:40:02 PM
2 in the all star game.  Then 1 in slam dunk & 1 in rookie game.
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: celticsclay on November 20, 2017, 03:40:40 PM
Coaches tend to reward winning (think Kyle Korver's all star appearance). If the Celtics still have something close to the best record in the East, Al should be a shoo-in with the way he's played and how important to the team he's been.

Again, I think it depends on if the Cs continue to win and players like Jaylen continue to progress. That 60 win Hawks team with 4 all-stars didn't exactly light it up statistically:

Millsap - 16.7 PPG / 7.8 RPG
Teague - 15.9 PPG / 7.0 APG
Horford - 15.2 PPG / 7.2 RPG
Korver - 12.1 PPG / 4.1 RPG

Right now, Jaylen is putting up 15.8 PPG / 6.6 RPG while playing elite level defense. If people want to say that there are more top level players in the East now than in 2014-15, that is a different argument, but with the way the Cs are winning, Tatum is looking like the one that will be 'rewarded' while Jaylen, Al, and Irving are a given.

If we are plugging along when all stars are announced at 30-5 (which is obviously a huge question) it seems there is no way we have 1 all-star. I was briefly thinking that the Spurs only had one all-star one of the years they had a great record (2015-2016), but Aldridge actually made it that year. So two would really be the lowest I think we could go if we keep winning like this.
After game 35, the Spurs were 28-7 last year and only had 1 all star.  Houston was 26-9 and also only had 1 all star.

I guess I should qualify my statement then if a team has the best record in their conference (especially by a decent margin) Last year at the break are talking about the team with the second and third best record there (warriors were number 1). If we were 25-9 and had the second or third best record than I actually think we Don't get a 2nd or 3rd all-star. Right now we have the best record by 3.5 games.

Last year is probably an example of this also for the Celtics. They were 23-15 or something like that and had a worse record than the Cavs. If had been 29-11 or whatever and were 5 games up on the Cavs we probably would have gotten someone else in.

Are there any times where a team had the best record in their conference by 5 games or more at the all-star break and only got one all-star? I could be wrong on this and that would change my opinion on this, but it doesn't seem to be something I recall happening much...
In 09/10 only James made the all star team from the eventual 61-21 Cavs.  I don't know if Cleveland was the 1 seed at the break, but they were the only 60+ win team in all of basketball that year. Orlando was next closest at 59 wins and they like Cleveland only had 1 all star (Dwight).  Dallas (the 2nd best team in the west that year) only had Dirk "make" the team.  Kidd replaced Kobe giving Dallas 2 and only Pau played from the Lakers who were the top seed in the west (as a result of the Kobe injury). 

I have no idea how frequently it happens, but James' first stint in Cleveland seemed like a good place to look and it didn't take long to find an example (probably 2 actually since Cleveland and Orlando were both high win teams with just 1 all star).

You are talking about it happening once 7 years ago on a team that probably had the MVP (Orlando being in 2nd is pretty irrelevant based on what we are talking about here). Considering James was the most dominant player in the game that year and an all-time great this kind of underscores the point. Thank you.
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: Moranis on November 20, 2017, 03:44:11 PM
The 13/14 Spurs won the NBA championship and were the only 60+ win team (62).  They only had Parker make the all star team. 

This notion that the best team has to have multiple all stars is just silly.  Sure it happens all the time because the best team is often the best team because they have great players, but it certainly isn't some given.
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: Moranis on November 20, 2017, 03:50:29 PM
In fact the Spurs have had it happen a fair amount with many seasons where just Duncan, Parker, or Leonard was the lone all star.
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on November 20, 2017, 03:52:25 PM
Barring injuries, who is in?

Shoe-ins: Lebron, Giannis, Kristaps, Derozan, and Kyrie

Probable: Wall, Beal, Drummond, Horford, Embiid, Simmons

That's 11. That leaves two spots for this list: Walker, Oladipo, Harris, Jackson, Schroeder, Russel, Fournier, Vucevic, Dragic, Whiteside, Love, Gordon, Bledsoe, Lowry, Howard, Tatum, Brown.

That's a lot of good players. Depending on how you do criteria, it is possible (though unlikely) to find a path for one of our young guys. For instance, if the Hornets, Hawks, Heat, and Nets are below .500, that removes their guys and leaves Oladipo, Harris, Jackson, Fournier, Vucevic, Gordon, Love, Bledsoe, Lowry, Tatum, and Brown.

If the Magic continue to come down to earth after a hot start, that probably removes their guys.

Then you are down to Oladipo, Harris, Jackson, Love, Bledsoe, Lowry, Brown, and Tatum. I think Oladipo gets his first all-star bid if the Pacers are over .500.

Although the Pistons have been good so far, I don't think they will end up being good enough to get a second all-star in the game. I think you could say the same thing about the Bucks with Bledsoe, particularly because he came part-way through the year. That leaves Love, Lowry, Brown, and Tatum.

It would be tough at that point for Brown to get in over Love and Lowry. If we continue to be dominant and Brown has a few more big games, all while Cleveland stayed under .500, you could make the argument for it. But Love and Lowry are both still in their prime and playing for a top team in our conference. It'd be tough to give a 3rd all-star spot to a Celtic before giving a 2nd to a Raptor or Cav.

All of that being said, pretty much every year there are 1-2 injured guys who would be all-stars, which opens up a spot or two. I think Brown has a good shot at being an alternate, but will likely just miss.

But I still voted 3 :)
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: celticsclay on November 20, 2017, 04:10:17 PM
The 13/14 Spurs won the NBA championship and were the only 60+ win team (62).  They only had Parker make the all star team. 

This notion that the best team has to have multiple all stars is just silly.  Sure it happens all the time because the best team is often the best team because they have great players, but it certainly isn't some given.

Again you are coming with examples which are not what I am talking about. The Thunder were 37-11 in 2014 when the all stars were announced. The spurs had a worst record at 37-13. Neither team was dominating the conference. 

I am already acknowledged to you that if the Celtics don't have the best record by a substantial margin I don't think we will get extra all-stars. However, we have seen time and time again that when a team is running away with their conference and the all-stars are announced they are rewarded for it. The Hawks from a few years ago are a very clear example of this. Thompson has gotten in when some other players had better numbers than him cause the Warriors were dominating the regular season. This isn't ground breaking and you have picked a strange hill to die on. 

You have come up with one example of this from 8 seasons ago where the all star was one of the greatest to ever play the game and was dominating the league. Maybe there is one other time of this in the past 10 seasons

Its extremely uncommon and hardly a silly notion.
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: Moranis on November 20, 2017, 04:28:47 PM
The 13/14 Spurs won the NBA championship and were the only 60+ win team (62).  They only had Parker make the all star team. 

This notion that the best team has to have multiple all stars is just silly.  Sure it happens all the time because the best team is often the best team because they have great players, but it certainly isn't some given.

Again you are coming with examples which are not what I am talking about. The Thunder were 37-11 in 2014 when the all stars were announced. The spurs had a worst record at 37-13. Neither team was dominating the conference. 

I am already acknowledged to you that if the Celtics don't have the best record by a substantial margin I don't think we will get extra all-stars. However, we have seen time and time again that when a team is running away with their conference and the all-stars are announced they are rewarded for it. The Hawks from a few years ago are a very clear example of this. Thompson has gotten in when some other players had better numbers than him cause the Warriors were dominating the regular season. This isn't ground breaking and you have picked a strange hill to die on. 

You have come up with one example of this from 8 seasons ago where the all star was one of the greatest to ever play the game and was dominating the league. Maybe there is one other time of this in the past 10 seasons

Its extremely uncommon and hardly a silly notion.
The Thunder only had 1 all star that year also.  The Spurs had 1 that year.  So the two best teams in the West, including the future champion, had 2 all stars between them. 

and I'm certainly not suggesting Horford won't make it, I just don't think it is a given.  There are a lot of very strong players in the frontcourt in the East, many of which have significantly better numbers than Horford. 

Edit: BTW, the 15/16 Cavs only had 1 all star also.  They had a 3 game lead on Toronto around the all star announcements towards the end of January.  And while 3 games isn't necessarily running away with a conference, everyone knew Cleveland was coming out of the East that year.
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: celticsclay on November 20, 2017, 04:49:50 PM
The 13/14 Spurs won the NBA championship and were the only 60+ win team (62).  They only had Parker make the all star team. 

This notion that the best team has to have multiple all stars is just silly.  Sure it happens all the time because the best team is often the best team because they have great players, but it certainly isn't some given.

Again you are coming with examples which are not what I am talking about. The Thunder were 37-11 in 2014 when the all stars were announced. The spurs had a worst record at 37-13. Neither team was dominating the conference. 

I am already acknowledged to you that if the Celtics don't have the best record by a substantial margin I don't think we will get extra all-stars. However, we have seen time and time again that when a team is running away with their conference and the all-stars are announced they are rewarded for it. The Hawks from a few years ago are a very clear example of this. Thompson has gotten in when some other players had better numbers than him cause the Warriors were dominating the regular season. This isn't ground breaking and you have picked a strange hill to die on. 

You have come up with one example of this from 8 seasons ago where the all star was one of the greatest to ever play the game and was dominating the league. Maybe there is one other time of this in the past 10 seasons

Its extremely uncommon and hardly a silly notion.
The Thunder only had 1 all star that year also.  The Spurs had 1 that year.  So the two best teams in the West, including the future champion, had 2 all stars between them.

and I'm certainly not suggesting Horford won't make it, I just don't think it is a given.  There are a lot of very strong players in the frontcourt in the East, many of which have significantly better numbers than Horford. 

Edit: BTW, the 15/16 Cavs only had 1 all star also.  They had a 3 game lead on Toronto around the all star announcements towards the end of January.  And while 3 games isn't necessarily running away with a conference, everyone knew Cleveland was coming out of the East that year.

The first point you are again making my point for me. The spurs and Thunder had nearly identical records and thus neither team was rewarded for it. If we are somehow up 1 game on Toronto or worse I think we will only get the 1 all star most likely

Regarding Cleveland Irving didn't make the all-star game that year because he was injured most of the first half right? And he was clearly their second player. I will agree if Horford misses the next 20 games he probably wont make it. Is that your point?

Otherwise we have seen time and time again where a team was running away with their conference (Hawks, Warriors in recent years). Heck we even benefited from this ourselves the last time we were running away with the conference (Allen got added in 2008 to the all star game despite averaging a fairly pedestrian 17 points a game on 45% shooting almost certainly beacuse of the Celtics dominant record after Garnett and Piece had already made it. KG didn't play due to injury). 

Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: Moranis on November 20, 2017, 07:25:46 PM
Teams that run away with conferences have great players. Great players make all star teams.  In weird seasons where a team with just 1 great player ran away from the conference that team only had 1 all star.
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: celticsclay on November 20, 2017, 07:51:01 PM
Teams that run away with conferences have great players. Great players make all star teams.  In weird seasons where a team with just 1 great player ran away from the conference that team only had 1 all star.

You found one example from 8 years ago where Lebron was playing at an MVP level and didn't have a teammate make it. I have provided numerous examples of guys getting into the game when their stats were not as great cause their team was running away with the conference (Klay, Ray, Teague, Korver).
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: nickagneta on November 20, 2017, 07:53:26 PM
Teams that run away with conferences have great players. Great players make all star teams.  In weird seasons where a team with just 1 great player ran away from the conference that team only had 1 all star.
So what you are saying is it doesn't matter if a team runs away with a conference, they are only going to get as many All-Stars as they have great players.
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: celticsclay on November 20, 2017, 08:00:07 PM
Teams that run away with conferences have great players. Great players make all star teams.  In weird seasons where a team with just 1 great player ran away from the conference that team only had 1 all star.
So what you are saying is it doesn't matter if a team runs away with a conference, they are only going to get as many All-Stars as they have great players.

I am not sure what he is really even arguing anymore to be honest Nick. My main point has been that a team gets reworded with guys making the all-star game if they are running away with their conference and having a dominant season. This literally came up last year when Klay and Dray made the team when there were some other guys with much gaudier stats. Klay Thompson actually talked about this in an interview and pointing out he thought they deserved it because they were still in single digit losses at that point and 4-5 games of the Spurs for the best record. It happened a few years earlier than that when Teague and Korver were awarded all-star spots as a nod to the Hawks having an incredibly dominant record and long win streak. It even happened with our own Celtics team where Ray was named as an injury replacement when he was averaging 17 points on pretty average shooting because the Celtics had such a great record.

If the Celtics reach the all-star break and somehow continue on their own torrid pace and are 5-6 games on the rest of the conference it would be fairly unprecedented to not have a second all-star. If we fall back to the pack, then it would not be unprecedented at all (as Moranis had illustrated it is fairly common for teams that have the same record or are in second place to only get one all-star. I really don't understand how this is even slightly controversial and feels like Moranis is just arguing for the sake of it.
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: Moranis on November 21, 2017, 06:25:22 AM
The Warriors didn't run away with the conference last year though.  The Spurs were right there with them at the all star break so I'm not sure why you keep bringing them up.
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: celticsclay on November 21, 2017, 07:07:12 AM
The Warriors didn't run away with the conference last year though.  The Spurs were right there with them at the all star break so I'm not sure why you keep bringing them up.

They had either a 4 or 5 game lead and still had single digit losses. Klay Thompson mentioned this in an interview cause Aldridge was upset he didn't make the team. I also already explained all this in my post.
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: PAOBoston on November 21, 2017, 07:23:54 AM
I hope none. Hope they use that time to rest up!
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: Moranis on November 21, 2017, 08:24:17 AM
The Warriors didn't run away with the conference last year though.  The Spurs were right there with them at the all star break so I'm not sure why you keep bringing them up.

They had either a 4 or 5 game lead and still had single digit losses. Klay Thompson mentioned this in an interview cause Aldridge was upset he didn't make the team. I also already explained all this in my post.
The reserves were announced on January 26th.  Golden State was 39-7 (last game the 25th), San Antonio was 36-9 (last game the 24th).  That isn't running away with the conference.  The 14/15 Cavs had a bigger lead on Toronto then the Warriors did last year, yet you don't want to count the Cavs that year and their 1 all star.  You're being incredibly inconsistent in what you are looking at and only counting the teams that you think prove your point while disregarding the ones that don't. 
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: Eddie20 on November 21, 2017, 08:38:47 AM
The Warriors didn't run away with the conference last year though.  The Spurs were right there with them at the all star break so I'm not sure why you keep bringing them up.

They had either a 4 or 5 game lead and still had single digit losses. Klay Thompson mentioned this in an interview cause Aldridge was upset he didn't make the team. I also already explained all this in my post.
The reserves were announced on January 26th.  Golden State was 39-7 (last game the 25th), San Antonio was 36-9 (last game the 24th). That isn't running away with the conference.  The 14/15 Cavs had a bigger lead on Toronto then the Warriors did last year, yet you don't want to count the Cavs that year and their 1 all star.  You're being incredibly inconsistent in what you are looking at and only counting the teams that you think prove your point while disregarding the ones that don't.

Just curious, what were their records a week before the announcement? Because I HIGHLY doubt the votes were received, tallied, and announced within a 24 hour period.
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: celticsclay on November 21, 2017, 08:44:02 AM
The Warriors didn't run away with the conference last year though.  The Spurs were right there with them at the all star break so I'm not sure why you keep bringing them up.

They had either a 4 or 5 game lead and still had single digit losses. Klay Thompson mentioned this in an interview cause Aldridge was upset he didn't make the team. I also already explained all this in my post.
The reserves were announced on January 26th.  Golden State was 39-7 (last game the 25th), San Antonio was 36-9 (last game the 24th). That isn't running away with the conference.  The 14/15 Cavs had a bigger lead on Toronto then the Warriors did last year, yet you don't want to count the Cavs that year and their 1 all star.  You're being incredibly inconsistent in what you are looking at and only counting the teams that you think prove your point while disregarding the ones that don't.

Just curious, what were their records a week before the announcement? Because I HIGHLY doubt the votes were received, tallied, and announced within a 24 hour period.

Thompson says they had a 4 game lead here. This is what I was basing on http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/02/14/klay-thompson-to-spurs-player-we-have-better-all-star-case/

If he was wrong and they didn't have a substantial lead, it just means I can go back and find other examples. You have only found one case in the modern NBA where a team had the best record by a substantial margin and only got one all star right? Again it is incredibly weird to me you are trying to argue a pretty basic premise here.

Also I'll put my tommy points where my mouth is. If the Celtics maintain a 4 game lead or greater  in the conference and only get one all star I'll give you 50 tommy points.
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: Moranis on November 21, 2017, 08:55:19 AM
The Warriors didn't run away with the conference last year though.  The Spurs were right there with them at the all star break so I'm not sure why you keep bringing them up.

They had either a 4 or 5 game lead and still had single digit losses. Klay Thompson mentioned this in an interview cause Aldridge was upset he didn't make the team. I also already explained all this in my post.
The reserves were announced on January 26th.  Golden State was 39-7 (last game the 25th), San Antonio was 36-9 (last game the 24th). That isn't running away with the conference.  The 14/15 Cavs had a bigger lead on Toronto then the Warriors did last year, yet you don't want to count the Cavs that year and their 1 all star.  You're being incredibly inconsistent in what you are looking at and only counting the teams that you think prove your point while disregarding the ones that don't.

Just curious, what were their records a week before the announcement? Because I HIGHLY doubt the votes were received, tallied, and announced within a 24 hour period.

Thompson says they had a 4 game lead here. This is what I was basing on http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/02/14/klay-thompson-to-spurs-player-we-have-better-all-star-case/

If he was wrong and they didn't have a substantial lead, it just means I can go back and find other examples. You have only found one case in the modern NBA where a team had the best record by a substantial margin and only got one all star right? Again it is incredibly weird to me you are trying to argue a pretty basic premise here.

Also I'll put my tommy points where my mouth is. If the Celtics maintain a 4 game lead or greater  in the conference and only get one all star I'll give you 50 tommy points.
by the all star game they did have a 4 game lead.  They did not when the all star rosters were announced.
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: Moranis on November 21, 2017, 09:00:17 AM
The Warriors didn't run away with the conference last year though.  The Spurs were right there with them at the all star break so I'm not sure why you keep bringing them up.

They had either a 4 or 5 game lead and still had single digit losses. Klay Thompson mentioned this in an interview cause Aldridge was upset he didn't make the team. I also already explained all this in my post.
The reserves were announced on January 26th.  Golden State was 39-7 (last game the 25th), San Antonio was 36-9 (last game the 24th). That isn't running away with the conference.  The 14/15 Cavs had a bigger lead on Toronto then the Warriors did last year, yet you don't want to count the Cavs that year and their 1 all star.  You're being incredibly inconsistent in what you are looking at and only counting the teams that you think prove your point while disregarding the ones that don't.

Just curious, what were their records a week before the announcement? Because I HIGHLY doubt the votes were received, tallied, and announced within a 24 hour period.
The starters were announced January 17th.  The Warriors were 35-6 (last game the 16th).  The Spurs played and won on the 17th to go to 32-9, so they were 31-9 before the 17th.  So a 3.5 game lead before the 17th when the fans voted the starters in.  The Spurs were 5-0 and the Warriors were 4-1 from the games on January 17th till their last game before the 26th.  So while the reserves were being picked the Spurs gained a game. 
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: Moranis on November 21, 2017, 09:11:45 AM
I had the Cavs year wrong it was 15/16.  The Cavs had a 3 game lead on the Raptors when the starters were announced.  Lebron was the only all star on the Cavs that year (Irving missed the first couple of months).  I don't know what Love was averaging around the selections but he finished with basically 16/10/2.5 with a TS% of 55.3, so it isn't like he couldn't have been an all star as the "2nd" best player on the clear best team in the conference (those stats are also in the ball park for what Horford will be). 
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: Moranis on November 21, 2017, 09:12:56 AM
And again I'm not saying Horford won't make it, I just don't believe he is a guarantee or an automatic because statistically he won't measure up to other players and that matters.
Title: Re: how many all stars will we have in the all star game? (Poll)
Post by: Moranis on December 22, 2017, 09:09:22 AM
well a month later and voting is officially open, and I think it looks far more likely that Irving will be the only all star from the Celtics as Horford is down to 14/8/5.5 (and no one else has really elevated into the argument as 2nd best player on the team), which likely isn't going to cut it especially with the Raptors and Cavs in a virtual dead heat with Boston record wise.