Poll: Give The Kyrie Irving-To-Boston Trade A Letter Grade

[jbpats]

The grade still mostly depends on the Nets pick and if Irving re-signs.

Right now the Nets have the 7th worst record, but with two games against the Bulls coming up and one against us they could easily go 3-0 to finish out the season and finish with the 10th worst record.

If that pick falls 7th or higher its hard to not see this as a steal for the Celtics.. even factoring in Kyrie's injury.

[Chris22]

The grade still mostly depends on the Nets pick and if Irving re-signs.

Right now the Nets have the 7th worst record, but with two games against the Bulls coming up and one against us they could easily go 3-0 to finish out the season and finish with the 10th worst record.

If that pick falls 7th or higher its hard to not see this as a steal for the Celtics.. even factoring in Kyrie's injury.

We need to start all our D leaguers in our game against Brooklyn.

[KGs Knee]

The grade still mostly depends on the Nets pick and if Irving re-signs. 

I kind of agree with this logic.

If Kyrie leaves after next year that would be bad. I'd imagine the chances of that happening are less than 5%, but until that is fully resolved it's something that could change the outlook of the trade.

I'm less concerned about the Brooklyn pick, however. Even if the pick ends up as the #1 pick I still think that is fair value for Kyrie.

[green_bballers13]

The grade still mostly depends on the Nets pick and if Irving re-signs.

I agree with this 100%.

That being said, I feel like your answer is kind of a punt. If we are to judge Danny today, I still give him an A. The uncertainty of the BKN pick has to considered: yes, it can be very good. It can also be meh. Danny traded a couple uncertainties (IT & BKN pick) for Kyrie.

While Kyrie might never play again, and he might not re-sign with BOS, I'm more confident than not that the opposite is true. I think he will stay with the Celtics through another contract for a 6 year run (or so), with at least 3 all star seasons.

[Phantom255x]

Along with whether the Cavs win it all or not, the position of the Brooklyn Pick will tell us a lot about this trade and how it looks.

[mef730]

Along with whether the Cavs win it all or not, the position of the Brooklyn Pick will tell us a lot about this trade and how it looks.

Not to mention the position of the Lakers pick!

Mike

[Phantom255x]

Along with whether the Cavs win it all or not, the position of the Brooklyn Pick will tell us a lot about this trade and how it looks.

Not to mention the position of the Lakers pick!

Mike

Not really. That Lakers Pick was acquired from the trade with PHI involving Tatum and Fultz.

Or unless you mean in the sense that, what if we gave up Lakers pick instead of Nets pick in the trade, which makes sense.

[Big333223]

Along with whether the Cavs win it all or not, the position of the Brooklyn Pick will tell us a lot about this trade and how it looks.

Will it? None of the pieces the Celtics sent to Cleveland are contributing to the Cav's run right now.

[nickagneta]

The pick was a dead cost the minute we traded it. Don't see whether Cleveland ends up with the 1st pick or the 9th pick that it effects the grade on this trade.

[nickagneta]

Just saw it was either Tatum or the Brooklyn pick for Kyrie. That's it. The trade was an A because we kept Tatum.

[Granath]

The pick was a dead cost the minute we traded it. Don't see whether Cleveland ends up with the 1st pick or the 9th pick that it effects the grade on this trade.

I don't agree. That's like saying that Isaiah's injury or Crowder's disappointing performance in Cleveland doesn't effect the grade because those things happened post-trade.

If the pick tonight ends up being #1 and that guy ends up being the next Lebron or Bird, then history will rightfully crucify the Celtics for making the deal. It's not a second or third order impact, this is directly related to this deal.

[The Oracle]

The pick was a dead cost the minute we traded it. Don't see whether Cleveland ends up with the 1st pick or the 9th pick that it effects the grade on this trade.

I don't agree. That's like saying that Isaiah's injury or Crowder's disappointing performance in Cleveland doesn't effect the grade because those things happened post-trade.

If the pick tonight ends up being #1 and that guy ends up being the next Lebron or Bird, then history will rightfully crucify the Celtics for making the deal. It's not a second or third order impact, this is directly related to this deal.

The Celtics did NOT trade away the next Lebron or Bird in that instance!  They traded away the likelihood of obtaining said player.  Whether or not Cleveland's few ping pong balls fall in their favor should have zero effect on how the Celtics are judged on the trade.  If the Celtics had not made the trade you cannot say they would have received said player because the season would have played out COMPLETELY differently as well as the ping pong balls.

[footey]

What are odds of the pick landing top 3?

[byennie]

The pick was a dead cost the minute we traded it. Don't see whether Cleveland ends up with the 1st pick or the 9th pick that it effects the grade on this trade.

I don't agree. That's like saying that Isaiah's injury or Crowder's disappointing performance in Cleveland doesn't effect the grade because those things happened post-trade.

If the pick tonight ends up being #1 and that guy ends up being the next Lebron or Bird, then history will rightfully crucify the Celtics for making the deal. It's not a second or third order impact, this is directly related to this deal.

You can disagree all you want, but that's not how a business looks at things. If you made an accurate assessment at the time, you move on. They rightfully graded the odds of Brooklyn drafting a LeBron/ Bird as very small. Right now they have a 2.8% chance of getting the #1 pick, and the odds of Ayton/Doncic becoming LeBron/Bird are small on top of that.

This is more like getting a bad beat at the poker table- there's nothing you can do about bad luck.

[Granath]

The pick was a dead cost the minute we traded it. Don't see whether Cleveland ends up with the 1st pick or the 9th pick that it effects the grade on this trade.

I don't agree. That's like saying that Isaiah's injury or Crowder's disappointing performance in Cleveland doesn't effect the grade because those things happened post-trade.

If the pick tonight ends up being #1 and that guy ends up being the next Lebron or Bird, then history will rightfully crucify the Celtics for making the deal. It's not a second or third order impact, this is directly related to this deal.

You can disagree all you want, but that's not how a business looks at things. If you made an accurate assessment at the time, you move on. They rightfully graded the odds of Brooklyn drafting a LeBron/ Bird as very small. Right now they have a 2.8% chance of getting the #1 pick, and the odds of Ayton/Doncic becoming LeBron/Bird are small on top of that.

This is more like getting a bad beat at the poker table- there's nothing you can do about bad luck.

Logic fail. You can't talk about a 2.8% chance NOW as a "bad beat" when most people thought that pick was a virtual lock for a top 5 spot. Logically you can't have it both ways. If you factor in the 2.8% now then the actual pick slot and player selected follows. If you don't consider the pick probability then this was always going to be valued as a top 5 pick. And in that regard Ainge traded away a top pick in what has appeared for the last two years to be a very talented draft, especially at the top of it.

Projection has always been part of this evaluation. Otherwise, Ainge traded a 28 year old guy for the exact same production from a 25 year old guy (stats don't lie), plus a solid starter plus a likely top 5 pick. That trade sucks on the face of it.

Except then you take into account Kyrie's ability to grow his game, IT's likelihood to maintain that level (not), IT's extra year of higher salary due to his impending contract (though over 2 years that Kyrie would cost more), Crowder's replacement already being on the team, needing to free up minutes for young players and the likely position of that draft pick. That's all based on projection, not on the information at that very moment. What none of us could foresee - including Cleveland apparently - was the severity of IT's injury and how that would impact him long into the season.

And as much as fans here don't like it, if that selection becomes a premier-type pick then it will always be "the Celtics traded away the rights to get that guy" much like we've seen the constant references around here about Tatum and Brown could/should be in Nets uniforms. But since it won't - the Cavs are picking 8th - then it's a different evaluation.