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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: saltlover on July 15, 2017, 03:25:36 PM
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Per Bulpett:
Celtics to waive Demetrius Jackson, avoid paying his $650,000 guarantee. His initial indication is he'll likely not play in SL game tonight.
The interesting aspect of this tweet is that it implies his $650k guarantee does not kick in until tomorrow, which is opposite everything I'd seen of his deal in the past year. Curious to see if that's correct.
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So, would it mean there was nothing guaranteed? Or what is the unexpected?
What I thought is that he had that money guaranteed and for salary cap reasons this could even be stretched.
EDIT: A recent report says Ojeleye will be signed in a Mickey/Nader contract type.
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So, would it mean there was nothing guaranteed? Or what is the unexpected?
What I thought is that he had that money guaranteed and for salary cap reasons this could even be stretched.
EDIT: A recent report says Ojeleye will be signed in a Mickey/Nader contract type.
That's what Bulpett's tweet says. I personally think he's incorrect. Adam Himmelsbach says something different:
If Demetrius Jackson is not claimed on waivers, the Celtics will likely stretch his $650k guarantee over three years, source says.
This is what we've thought might occur.
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Thanks, TP. So my guess was correct, this guaranteed money was a given for those who have followed the situation.
We'll wait until confirmation, if it comes.
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Yea, Bulpett just mis-typed. Jackson gets $650k regardless, but Boston gets out from paying the additional $750k-ish that would have kicked in at midnight. If he can get a minimum contract from someone around the league on top of his guarantee he'll probably come out ahead in all this financially, and will get more of a chance to play somewhere else, which would be nice.
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There goes our Summer League Ring.
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So after Jackson's release, that leaves 3 ball handlers on the roster: IT, Rozier, Smart.
Kind of thin, no? Especially, with IT's hip still questionable. Unless this is a sign IT is on his way to being 100% healthy.
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Is Danny being a cheapazz or does he have no choice really?
Jackson is not great but is a decent depth player .... . SL celts have looked better when Jackson has played regardless of his production
If Ainge needs the money to lock up Semi , fine
but if he could have kept both...then why cut Jackson.
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I'm just guessing there are decent enough minimum level players out there where we can really significantly improve the team with not much more money and we're still under the luxury tax threshold. We are, right?
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Is Danny being a cheapazz or does he have no choice really?
Jackson is not great but is a decent depth player .... . SL celts have looked better when Jackson has played regardless of his production
If Ainge needs the money to lock up Semi , fine
but if he could have kept both...then why cut Jackson.
Only way to give Semi more than a two-year contract without also hard-capping the team (although, arguably, the hard-cap wouldn't have been a factor this year anyway) was to use cap space, and the only way to open up enough cap space was to waive Jackson and stretch his guarantee. Now Boston gets Semi under team control for up to four years instead of up to two.
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Is Danny being a cheapazz or does he have no choice really?
Jackson is not great but is a decent depth player .... . SL celts have looked better when Jackson has played regardless of his production
If Ainge needs the money to lock up Semi , fine
but if he could have kept both...then why cut Jackson.
They have to fit the under the cap. dangercarts cap projection going into the season.
(https://i.imgur.com/OSfJzNt.jpg)
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Is Danny being a cheapazz or does he have no choice really?
Jackson is not great but is a decent depth player .... . SL celts have looked better when Jackson has played regardless of his production
If Ainge needs the money to lock up Semi , fine
but if he could have kept both...then why cut Jackson.
If Jackson is your depth, you are in major trouble. How do you get he is a decent depth player? Based on what exactly?
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So at this point, we should start assuming Semi is about to get a 4 year deal based on the above.
Edit: Yep, Semi is getting a 4 year deal per Adam Himmelsbach
The Celtics are planning to sign rookie forward Semi Ojeleye to a four-year deal, first two years guaranteed, per league source.
https://twitter.com/AdamHimmelsbach/status/886304329061212160
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So at this point, we should start assuming Semi is about to get a 4 year deal based on the above.
https://twitter.com/bostonsports_15/status/886307312012591105
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So after Jackson's release, that leaves 3 ball handlers on the roster: IT, Rozier, Smart.
Kind of thin, no? Especially, with IT's hip still questionable. Unless this is a sign IT is on his way to being 100% healthy.
Not saying he's 100 percent, but IT was dribbling and getting shots up in one of his Instagram live videos about a week ago. He looked fine and didn't seem like the hip was bothering him at all. But then again he is a pretty tough dude as we all found out these past playoffs
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Is Danny being a cheapazz or does he have no choice really?
Jackson is not great but is a decent depth player .... . SL celts have looked better when Jackson has played regardless of his production
If Ainge needs the money to lock up Semi , fine
but if he could have kept both...then why cut Jackson.
If Jackson is your depth, you are in major trouble. How do you get he is a decent depth player? Based on what exactly?
The team lacks PG depth
IT4 becomes injured, Rozier becomes injured etc.
Its no joke how much mid depth this team has right now .... why not try to sign Semi to a two way deal?
Or sign him to a cheaper deal vs near 1st round money....
Nader, Semi would have probably taken a 800 k a year deal, but instead you need to pay double that?
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So at this point, we should start assuming Semi is about to get a 4 year deal based on the above.
https://twitter.com/bostonsports_15/status/886307312012591105
So I guess the deal is "semi"- guaranteed. Haha.
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Is Danny being a cheapazz or does he have no choice really?
Jackson is not great but is a decent depth player .... . SL celts have looked better when Jackson has played regardless of his production
If Ainge needs the money to lock up Semi , fine
but if he could have kept both...then why cut Jackson.
If Jackson is your depth, you are in major trouble. How do you get he is a decent depth player? Based on what exactly?
The team lacks PG depth
IT4 becomes injured, Rozier becomes injured etc.
Its no joke how much mid depth this team has right now .... why not try to sign Semi to a two way deal?
Or sign him to a cheaper deal vs near 1st round money....
Nader, Semi would have probably taken a 800 k a year deal, but instead you need to pay double that?
The team has three point guards on the 15-man roster. That's standard. They'll carry a fourth on a two-way deal in the event injuries strike, and in the unlikely event that Boston should need five point guards to field a team then you've probably got enough players injured that you've been granted an injury exception to bring someone in on a vet minimum deal. They're fine.
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Is Danny being a cheapazz or does he have no choice really?
Jackson is not great but is a decent depth player .... . SL celts have looked better when Jackson has played regardless of his production
If Ainge needs the money to lock up Semi , fine
but if he could have kept both...then why cut Jackson.
If Jackson is your depth, you are in major trouble. How do you get he is a decent depth player? Based on what exactly?
The team lacks PG depth
IT4 becomes injured, Rozier becomes injured etc.
Its no joke how much mid depth this team has right now .... why not try to sign Semi to a two way deal?
Or sign him to a cheaper deal vs near 1st round money....
Nader, Semi would have probably taken a 800 k a year deal, but instead you need to pay double that?
Most teams keep 3 PGs. Thats all the depth you need. Not only that but Gordon can also bring the ball up and initiate the offense. Heck, the offense is probably going to run through Horford to maximize the chanes of space opening up for IT and Gordon.
The Cs decided Jackson wasn't needed and/or that he wasn't as good as the rookies Ainge is bringing in this year. Its a good move.
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So after Jackson's release, that leaves 3 ball handlers on the roster: IT, Rozier, Smart.
Kind of thin, no? Especially, with IT's hip still questionable. Unless this is a sign IT is on his way to being 100% healthy.
They have 3 pgs on the team, which is normal. Hayward can also handle the ball.
I'm more concerned about rebounding/interior defense than I am ballhandling.
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Yes, we may be thin regarding ballhandlers. We don't know how long will Isaiah be out, we don't want to rush him once he is recovered, we lost Avery who could be an insurance PG and now we are waiving Jackson.
We are one injury away (Rozier or Smart) from beginning the season with a ballhandler in the entire roster. And no, Hayward or Jaylen aren't ballhandlers; they are wings. The fact they have dribbling or handling abilities doesn't turn them into de-facto PGs.
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Is Danny being a cheapazz or does he have no choice really?
Jackson is not great but is a decent depth player .... . SL celts have looked better when Jackson has played regardless of his production
If Ainge needs the money to lock up Semi , fine
but if he could have kept both...then why cut Jackson.
If Jackson is your depth, you are in major trouble. How do you get he is a decent depth player? Based on what exactly?
The team lacks PG depth
IT4 becomes injured, Rozier becomes injured etc.
Its no joke how much mid depth this team has right now .... why not try to sign Semi to a two way deal?
Or sign him to a cheaper deal vs near 1st round money....
Nader, Semi would have probably taken a 800 k a year deal, but instead you need to pay double that?
The team has three point guards on the 15-man roster. That's standard. They'll carry a fourth on a two-way deal in the event injuries strike, and in the unlikely event that Boston should need five point guards to field a team then you've probably got enough players injured that you've been granted an injury exception to bring someone in on a vet minimum deal. They're fine.
I wonder if that's Jabari Bird, based on his good SL play.
Have to say, I'm a but surprised because Demetrious was having a decent SL. Was his height an issue?
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Is Danny being a cheapazz or does he have no choice really?
Jackson is not great but is a decent depth player .... . SL celts have looked better when Jackson has played regardless of his production
If Ainge needs the money to lock up Semi , fine
but if he could have kept both...then why cut Jackson.
If Jackson is your depth, you are in major trouble. How do you get he is a decent depth player? Based on what exactly?
The team lacks PG depth
IT4 becomes injured, Rozier becomes injured etc.
Its no joke how much mid depth this team has right now .... why not try to sign Semi to a two way deal?
Or sign him to a cheaper deal vs near 1st round money....
Nader, Semi would have probably taken a 800 k a year deal, but instead you need to pay double that?
The team has three point guards on the 15-man roster. That's standard. They'll carry a fourth on a two-way deal in the event injuries strike, and in the unlikely event that Boston should need five point guards to field a team then you've probably got enough players injured that you've been granted an injury exception to bring someone in on a vet minimum deal. They're fine.
I wonder if that's Jabari Bird, based on his good SL play.
Have to say, I'm a but surprised because Demetrious was having a decent SL. Was his height an issue?
My guess is that it's already been arranged that Allen and Jabari Bird will take two-way contracts this year - I'd be shocked if Ainge hadn't already put out feelers with the agents on who'd be willing to be stashed on a two-way when planning who to take with their two late second-rounders this year. The only complicating factor is if they'd rather carry one guard and one big for emergency call-up purposes instead of two guards, but with (in no order) Horford-Ziziz-Baynes-Theis-Yabsuele plus some wings who can put in time at the 4 they're probably fine there. Maybe one of Bird or Allen goes overseas and someone like Landen Lucas gets the last two-way deal, but I doubt it.
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Is Danny being a cheapazz or does he have no choice really?
Jackson is not great but is a decent depth player .... . SL celts have looked better when Jackson has played regardless of his production
If Ainge needs the money to lock up Semi , fine
but if he could have kept both...then why cut Jackson.
If Jackson is your depth, you are in major trouble. How do you get he is a decent depth player? Based on what exactly?
The team lacks PG depth
IT4 becomes injured, Rozier becomes injured etc.
Its no joke how much mid depth this team has right now .... why not try to sign Semi to a two way deal?
Or sign him to a cheaper deal vs near 1st round money....
Nader, Semi would have probably taken a 800 k a year deal, but instead you need to pay double that?
The team has three point guards on the 15-man roster. That's standard. They'll carry a fourth on a two-way deal in the event injuries strike, and in the unlikely event that Boston should need five point guards to field a team then you've probably got enough players injured that you've been granted an injury exception to bring someone in on a vet minimum deal. They're fine.
I wonder if that's Jabari Bird, based on his good SL play.
Have to say, I'm a but surprised because Demetrious was having a decent SL. Was his height an issue?
Talent.
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Is Danny being a cheapazz or does he have no choice really?
Jackson is not great but is a decent depth player .... . SL celts have looked better when Jackson has played regardless of his production
If Ainge needs the money to lock up Semi , fine
but if he could have kept both...then why cut Jackson.
If Jackson is your depth, you are in major trouble. How do you get he is a decent depth player? Based on what exactly?
The team lacks PG depth
IT4 becomes injured, Rozier becomes injured etc.
Its no joke how much mid depth this team has right now .... why not try to sign Semi to a two way deal?
Or sign him to a cheaper deal vs near 1st round money....
Nader, Semi would have probably taken a 800 k a year deal, but instead you need to pay double that?
The team has three point guards on the 15-man roster. That's standard. They'll carry a fourth on a two-way deal in the event injuries strike, and in the unlikely event that Boston should need five point guards to field a team then you've probably got enough players injured that you've been granted an injury exception to bring someone in on a vet minimum deal. They're fine.
I wonder if that's Jabari Bird, based on his good SL play.
Have to say, I'm a but surprised because Demetrious was having a decent SL. Was his height an issue?
My guess is that it's already been arranged that Allen and Jabari Bird will take two-way contracts this year - I'd be shocked if Ainge hadn't already put out feelers with the agents on who'd be willing to be stashed on a two-way when planning who to take with their two late second-rounders this year. The only complicating factor is if they'd rather carry one guard and one big for emergency call-up purposes instead of two guards, but with (in no order) Horford-Ziziz-Baynes-Theis-Yabsuele plus some wings who can put in time at the 4 they're probably fine there. Maybe one of Bird or Allen goes overseas and someone like Landen Lucas gets the last two-way deal, but I doubt it.
I doubt it too. Lucas and Roscoe Allen are "walk-on" players whereas the other 2 guys were drafted. I agree it seems there plenty of front-court depth esp if Theis and Yabusele both make the team. Theis seems like a certainty, but I suppose there's still a chance that Yabs stays overseas one more year.
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Is Danny being a cheapazz or does he have no choice really?
Jackson is not great but is a decent depth player .... . SL celts have looked better when Jackson has played regardless of his production
If Ainge needs the money to lock up Semi , fine
but if he could have kept both...then why cut Jackson.
If Jackson is your depth, you are in major trouble. How do you get he is a decent depth player? Based on what exactly?
The team lacks PG depth
IT4 becomes injured, Rozier becomes injured etc.
Its no joke how much mid depth this team has right now .... why not try to sign Semi to a two way deal?
Or sign him to a cheaper deal vs near 1st round money....
Nader, Semi would have probably taken a 800 k a year deal, but instead you need to pay double that?
The team has three point guards on the 15-man roster. That's standard. They'll carry a fourth on a two-way deal in the event injuries strike, and in the unlikely event that Boston should need five point guards to field a team then you've probably got enough players injured that you've been granted an injury exception to bring someone in on a vet minimum deal. They're fine.
I wonder if that's Jabari Bird, based on his good SL play.
Have to say, I'm a but surprised because Demetrious was having a decent SL. Was his height an issue?
My guess is that it's already been arranged that Allen and Jabari Bird will take two-way contracts this year - I'd be shocked if Ainge hadn't already put out feelers with the agents on who'd be willing to be stashed on a two-way when planning who to take with their two late second-rounders this year. The only complicating factor is if they'd rather carry one guard and one big for emergency call-up purposes instead of two guards, but with (in no order) Horford-Ziziz-Baynes-Theis-Yabsuele plus some wings who can put in time at the 4 they're probably fine there. Maybe one of Bird or Allen goes overseas and someone like Landen Lucas gets the last two-way deal, but I doubt it.
I doubt it too. Lucas and Roscoe Allen are "walk-on" players whereas the other 2 guys were drafted. I agree it seems there plenty of front-court depth esp if Theis and Yabusele both make the team. Theis seems like a certainty, but I suppose there's still a chance that Yabs stays overseas one more year.
If Yabusele would've stayed overseas, there wouldn't be a need to stretch Jackson's contract (or waive if for that matter I'd think).
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Is Danny being a cheapazz or does he have no choice really?
Jackson is not great but is a decent depth player .... . SL celts have looked better when Jackson has played regardless of his production
If Ainge needs the money to lock up Semi , fine
but if he could have kept both...then why cut Jackson.
If Jackson is your depth, you are in major trouble. How do you get he is a decent depth player? Based on what exactly?
The team lacks PG depth
IT4 becomes injured, Rozier becomes injured etc.
Its no joke how much mid depth this team has right now .... why not try to sign Semi to a two way deal?
Or sign him to a cheaper deal vs near 1st round money....
Nader, Semi would have probably taken a 800 k a year deal, but instead you need to pay double that?
The team has three point guards on the 15-man roster. That's standard. They'll carry a fourth on a two-way deal in the event injuries strike, and in the unlikely event that Boston should need five point guards to field a team then you've probably got enough players injured that you've been granted an injury exception to bring someone in on a vet minimum deal. They're fine.
I wonder if that's Jabari Bird, based on his good SL play.
Have to say, I'm a but surprised because Demetrious was having a decent SL. Was his height an issue?
My guess is that it's already been arranged that Allen and Jabari Bird will take two-way contracts this year - I'd be shocked if Ainge hadn't already put out feelers with the agents on who'd be willing to be stashed on a two-way when planning who to take with their two late second-rounders this year. The only complicating factor is if they'd rather carry one guard and one big for emergency call-up purposes instead of two guards, but with (in no order) Horford-Ziziz-Baynes-Theis-Yabsuele plus some wings who can put in time at the 4 they're probably fine there. Maybe one of Bird or Allen goes overseas and someone like Landen Lucas gets the last two-way deal, but I doubt it.
I doubt it too. Lucas and Roscoe Allen are "walk-on" players whereas the other 2 guys were drafted. I agree it seems there plenty of front-court depth esp if Theis and Yabusele both make the team. Theis seems like a certainty, but I suppose there's still a chance that Yabs stays overseas one more year.
If Yabusele would've stayed overseas, there wouldn't be a need to stretch Jackson's contract (or waive if for that matter I'd think).
True, but I'd rather get Yabusele in-house than have five point guards available between the 17 roster spots. It also sounds like Yabusele was under the impression he'd be in-house starting this year as well, and technically he's the one holding the cards here - Boston has to offer him his rookie-scale contract or renounce his rights, they can't force him to be stashed again.
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I think 2-way contracts means you can only stay with the big club for 45 days, so a 2 way isn't going to help much if we need someone to play while someone is out with injuries. It says 45 days and not games so you would be wasting those days when they have to practice. I bet the guys that get those are going to because they plan on never using but will use the days to allow them to practice with the Celts (Bird type guys/I hope Rosco Allen-Waffles is one).
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I think 2-way contracts means you can only stay with the big club for 45 days, so a 2 way isn't going to help much if we need someone to play while someone is out with injuries. It says 45 days and not games so you would be wasting those days when they have to practice. I bet the guys that get those are going to because they plan on never using but will use the days to allow them to practice with the Celts (Bird type guys/I hope Rosco Allen-Waffles is one).
Honestly, Demetrius Jackson was not touching the floor for this team, with or without injuries.
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I think 2-way contracts means you can only stay with the big club for 45 days, so a 2 way isn't going to help much if we need someone to play while someone is out with injuries. It says 45 days and not games so you would be wasting those days when they have to practice. I bet the guys that get those are going to because they plan on never using but will use the days to allow them to practice with the Celts (Bird type guys/I hope Rosco Allen-Waffles is one).
Do you really need a fourth-string point guard for more than a month and a half? Was Jackson really going to play meaningful minutes in more than 20 games?
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I think 2-way contracts means you can only stay with the big club for 45 days, so a 2 way isn't going to help much if we need someone to play while someone is out with injuries. It says 45 days and not games so you would be wasting those days when they have to practice. I bet the guys that get those are going to because they plan on never using but will use the days to allow them to practice with the Celts (Bird type guys/I hope Rosco Allen-Waffles is one).
45 days is something like 20-25 games, right? That seems like amount of time short of a much bigger injury.
Since you seem to know more about 2-ways than I do, how long must they stay down in the G-league before being recalled again for another 45-day stretch?
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Is Danny being a cheapazz or does he have no choice really?
Jackson is not great but is a decent depth player .... . SL celts have looked better when Jackson has played regardless of his production
If Ainge needs the money to lock up Semi , fine
but if he could have kept both...then why cut Jackson.
They have to fit the under the cap. dangercarts cap projection going into the season.
(https://i.imgur.com/OSfJzNt.jpg)
Is there a link to that chart? For Cs and other teams?
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surprised they couldn't find somewhere to dump him off and trade him to and get the $650,000 off the books, this way it could cost alot more in tax penalties in the future years if they strech him
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surprised they couldn't find somewhere to dump him off and trade him to and get the $650,000 off the books, this way it could cost alot more in tax penalties in the future years if they strech him
I'm a little surprised too. I would've thought it made sense just to pay a team like $800k to take his $650k guaranateed.
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I think 2-way contracts means you can only stay with the big club for 45 days, so a 2 way isn't going to help much if we need someone to play while someone is out with injuries. It says 45 days and not games so you would be wasting those days when they have to practice. I bet the guys that get those are going to because they plan on never using but will use the days to allow them to practice with the Celts (Bird type guys/I hope Rosco Allen-Waffles is one).
45 days is something like 20-25 games, right? That seems like amount of time short of a much bigger injury.
Since you seem to know more about 2-ways than I do, how long must they stay down in the G-league before being recalled again for another 45-day stretch?
I don't know. That was info from something I heard mentioned only once before, I thought it was weird when I heard it, that's why it stuck with me. IMO It would be better if they limited the number of call-ups. I guess the players have to play half and half, it makes sense but I think it's weird it said days and not games.
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I think 2-way contracts means you can only stay with the big club for 45 days, so a 2 way isn't going to help much if we need someone to play while someone is out with injuries. It says 45 days and not games so you would be wasting those days when they have to practice. I bet the guys that get those are going to because they plan on never using but will use the days to allow them to practice with the Celts (Bird type guys/I hope Rosco Allen-Waffles is one).
45 days is something like 20-25 games, right? That seems like amount of time short of a much bigger injury.
Since you seem to know more about 2-ways than I do, how long must they stay down in the G-league before being recalled again for another 45-day stretch?
I don't know. That was info from something I heard mentioned only once before, I thought it was weird when I heard it, that's why it stuck with me. IMO It would be better if they limited the number of call-ups. I guess the players have to play half and half, it makes sense but I think it's weird it said days and not games.
Yes, its 45 days. Those days do not have to be consecutive. Furthermore, days before the D-league season starts and after it ends do not count against the 45, so practically it will be closer to 60 or so -- about 1/3 of the season.
The reason it's days and not games is because players get paid based on days on a roster, and not games played. This means if you want to just call the player up for practices and not for games, you pay him the same as if you call him up for games only and not practices.
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I think 2-way contracts means you can only stay with the big club for 45 days, so a 2 way isn't going to help much if we need someone to play while someone is out with injuries. It says 45 days and not games so you would be wasting those days when they have to practice. I bet the guys that get those are going to because they plan on never using but will use the days to allow them to practice with the Celts (Bird type guys/I hope Rosco Allen-Waffles is one).
45 days is something like 20-25 games, right? That seems like amount of time short of a much bigger injury.
Since you seem to know more about 2-ways than I do, how long must they stay down in the G-league before being recalled again for another 45-day stretch?
I don't know. That was info from something I heard mentioned only once before, I thought it was weird when I heard it, that's why it stuck with me. IMO It would be better if they limited the number of call-ups. I guess the players have to play half and half, it makes sense but I think it's weird it said days and not games.
Yes, its 45 days. Those days do not have to be consecutive. Furthermore, days before the D-league season starts and after it ends do not count against the 45, so practically it will be closer to 60 or so -- about 1/3 of the season.
The reason it's days and not games is because players get paid based on days on a roster, and not games played. This means if you want to just call the player up for practices and not for games, you pay him the same as if you call him up for games only and not practices.
That helps, thanks SL. They get paid a big league rate for being on the big club, regardless if they play or not, which I think is very fair to them. Sounds like they can cover injuries pretty well with call-ups. If some key player, god forbid, goes down for an extended period, then I think you are looking at more significant roster moves anyway like release of one of the 2-way players and signing a vet.
I am hopeful Demetrious catches on somewhere else. He's had a good summer.
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I think 2-way contracts means you can only stay with the big club for 45 days, so a 2 way isn't going to help much if we need someone to play while someone is out with injuries. It says 45 days and not games so you would be wasting those days when they have to practice. I bet the guys that get those are going to because they plan on never using but will use the days to allow them to practice with the Celts (Bird type guys/I hope Rosco Allen-Waffles is one).
45 days is something like 20-25 games, right? That seems like amount of time short of a much bigger injury.
Since you seem to know more about 2-ways than I do, how long must they stay down in the G-league before being recalled again for another 45-day stretch?
I don't know. That was info from something I heard mentioned only once before, I thought it was weird when I heard it, that's why it stuck with me. IMO It would be better if they limited the number of call-ups. I guess the players have to play half and half, it makes sense but I think it's weird it said days and not games.
Yes, its 45 days. Those days do not have to be consecutive. Furthermore, days before the D-league season starts and after it ends do not count against the 45, so practically it will be closer to 60 or so -- about 1/3 of the season.
The reason it's days and not games is because players get paid based on days on a roster, and not games played. This means if you want to just call the player up for practices and not for games, you pay him the same as if you call him up for games only and not practices.
That helps, thanks SL. They get paid a big league rate for being on the big club, regardless if they play or not, which I think is very fair to them. Sounds like they can cover injuries pretty well with call-ups. If some key player, god forbid, goes down for an extended period, then I think you are looking at more significant roster moves anyway like release of one of the 2-way players and signing a vet.
I am hopeful Demetrious catches on somewhere else. He's had a good summer.
kinda sad .......he just seemed to be getting used to the pace and have confidence ......he just did not get enough court time to reach this level quick enough tonsave him.
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Is Danny being a cheapazz or does he have no choice really?
Jackson is not great but is a decent depth player .... . SL celts have looked better when Jackson has played regardless of his production
If Ainge needs the money to lock up Semi , fine
but if he could have kept both...then why cut Jackson.
They have to fit the under the cap. dangercarts cap projection going into the season.
(https://i.imgur.com/OSfJzNt.jpg)
Is there a link to that chart? For Cs and other teams?
so looking at this cart Celltic front office basically has to gut the team to give IT his Brinks Truck contract .
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I think 2-way contracts means you can only stay with the big club for 45 days, so a 2 way isn't going to help much if we need someone to play while someone is out with injuries. It says 45 days and not games so you would be wasting those days when they have to practice. I bet the guys that get those are going to because they plan on never using but will use the days to allow them to practice with the Celts (Bird type guys/I hope Rosco Allen-Waffles is one).
45 days is something like 20-25 games, right? That seems like amount of time short of a much bigger injury.
Since you seem to know more about 2-ways than I do, how long must they stay down in the G-league before being recalled again for another 45-day stretch?
I don't know. That was info from something I heard mentioned only once before, I thought it was weird when I heard it, that's why it stuck with me. IMO It would be better if they limited the number of call-ups. I guess the players have to play half and half, it makes sense but I think it's weird it said days and not games.
Yes, its 45 days. Those days do not have to be consecutive. Furthermore, days before the D-league season starts and after it ends do not count against the 45, so practically it will be closer to 60 or so -- about 1/3 of the season.
The reason it's days and not games is because players get paid based on days on a roster, and not games played. This means if you want to just call the player up for practices and not for games, you pay him the same as if you call him up for games only and not practices.
Thank you! That is much better than I thought. It seems like it's even better for the players which is always good, the fringe players should be able to make a living wage without having to go overseas! Good looking out NBA!
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I think 2-way contracts means you can only stay with the big club for 45 days, so a 2 way isn't going to help much if we need someone to play while someone is out with injuries. It says 45 days and not games so you would be wasting those days when they have to practice. I bet the guys that get those are going to because they plan on never using but will use the days to allow them to practice with the Celts (Bird type guys/I hope Rosco Allen-Waffles is one).
45 days is something like 20-25 games, right? That seems like amount of time short of a much bigger injury.
45 days total for the season, with the NBA club. See: http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q82
Since you seem to know more about 2-ways than I do, how long must they stay down in the G-league before being recalled again for another 45-day stretch?
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Is Danny being a cheapazz or does he have no choice really?
Jackson is not great but is a decent depth player .... . SL celts have looked better when Jackson has played regardless of his production
If Ainge needs the money to lock up Semi , fine
but if he could have kept both...then why cut Jackson.
They have to fit the under the cap. dangercarts cap projection going into the season.
(https://i.imgur.com/OSfJzNt.jpg)
Is there a link to that chart? For Cs and other teams?
so looking at this cart Celltic front office basically has to gut the team to give IT his Brinks Truck contract .
Not really. We need to let Smart go to avoid going deep into the tax, but otherwise we're okay.
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Is Danny being a cheapazz or does he have no choice really?
Jackson is not great but is a decent depth player .... . SL celts have looked better when Jackson has played regardless of his production
If Ainge needs the money to lock up Semi , fine
but if he could have kept both...then why cut Jackson.
They have to fit the under the cap. dangercarts cap projection going into the season.
(https://i.imgur.com/OSfJzNt.jpg)
Is there a link to that chart? For Cs and other teams?
so looking at this cart Celltic front office basically has to gut the team to give IT his Brinks Truck contract .
No? We have his Bird rights, we can pay him whatever we want
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Is Danny being a cheapazz or does he have no choice really?
Jackson is not great but is a decent depth player .... . SL celts have looked better when Jackson has played regardless of his production
If Ainge needs the money to lock up Semi , fine
but if he could have kept both...then why cut Jackson.
They have to fit the under the cap. dangercarts cap projection going into the season.
(https://i.imgur.com/OSfJzNt.jpg)
Is there a link to that chart? For Cs and other teams?
so looking at this cart Celltic front office basically has to gut the team to give IT his Brinks Truck contract .
No, the Celtics can and will go over the cap, and even the luxury tax, to keep him. Certainly in the pitches to Horford and Hayward ownership promised to spend.
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I think 2-way contracts means you can only stay with the big club for 45 days, so a 2 way isn't going to help much if we need someone to play while someone is out with injuries. It says 45 days and not games so you would be wasting those days when they have to practice. I bet the guys that get those are going to because they plan on never using but will use the days to allow them to practice with the Celts (Bird type guys/I hope Rosco Allen-Waffles is one).
45 days is something like 20-25 games, right? That seems like amount of time short of a much bigger injury.
Since you seem to know more about 2-ways than I do, how long must they stay down in the G-league before being recalled again for another 45-day stretch?
I don't know. That was info from something I heard mentioned only once before, I thought it was weird when I heard it, that's why it stuck with me. IMO It would be better if they limited the number of call-ups. I guess the players have to play half and half, it makes sense but I think it's weird it said days and not games.
Yes, its 45 days. Those days do not have to be consecutive. Furthermore, days before the D-league season starts and after it ends do not count against the 45, so practically it will be closer to 60 or so -- about 1/3 of the season.
The reason it's days and not games is because players get paid based on days on a roster, and not games played. This means if you want to just call the player up for practices and not for games, you pay him the same as if you call him up for games only and not practices.
That helps, thanks SL. They get paid a big league rate for being on the big club, regardless if they play or not, which I think is very fair to them. Sounds like they can cover injuries pretty well with call-ups. If some key player, god forbid, goes down for an extended period, then I think you are looking at more significant roster moves anyway like release of one of the 2-way players and signing a vet.
I am hopeful Demetrious catches on somewhere else. He's had a good summer.
You can't release one of the 2-way players to sign a vet. The two roster spots they'll be taking up are exclusively for 2-way contracts. You'd have to release one of the "normal" 15 players to sign a vet
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Is Danny being a cheapazz or does he have no choice really?
Jackson is not great but is a decent depth player .... . SL celts have looked better when Jackson has played regardless of his production
If Ainge needs the money to lock up Semi , fine
but if he could have kept both...then why cut Jackson.
They have to fit the under the cap. dangercarts cap projection going into the season.
(https://i.imgur.com/OSfJzNt.jpg)
Is there a link to that chart? For Cs and other teams?
https://twitter.com/dangercart/media
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A not ready for prime time player
He should catch on with another nba team but he didn't show much to be an nba player with comparisons to Thomas, Bradley, smart, rozier. He might sign with a lesser team but as a 3rd string at best pg
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Apparently the Celtics exercised the option on Jackson's non-guaranteed season in 2019-2020, which allowed them to stretch the $650k he was owed this year equally over seven seasons, for a cap/tax hit of just over $90k each season.
I'm generally not a fan of utilizing the stretch provision, but I suppose $93k a year won't derail any plans.
The net effect is that Semi can get paid more money this season.
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Apparently the Celtics exercised the option on Jackson's non-guaranteed season in 2019-2020, which allowed them to stretch the $650k he was owed this year equally over seven seasons, for a cap/tax hit of just over $90k each season.
I'm generally not a fan of utilizing the stretch provision, but I suppose $93k a year won't derail any plans.
The net effect is that Semi can get paid more money this season.
It's bizarre to me that the rules allow this, but good on the Celts for taking advantage of the loophole.
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Crazy we will be looking at the roster in the year 2023 and wonder who is Demetrius jackson and why we owe him $92,000 lol.
Who was the last player where we had them on the books for a long time? Wasn't there an exception for sheed or something