Celtic Picks - 2019 draft

[footey]

I want the Memphis pick to roll over; it will have more trade value.

But I’m out of predicting the pick will be better next year or year after.

Sacramento has humbled me.

[Birdman]

Danny will draft 4 guards if we have all 4 picks 😀

[hwangjini_1]

Danny will draft 4 guards if we have all 4 picks 😀

williams
tatum
ojeleye
allen
bird
brown
yabusele
zizic

why did you write what you did?

[tstorey_97]

Danny will draft 4 guards if we have all 4 picks 😀

Not only that?

The four guards he picks will all be smallish, streaky combo types...that he can't trade.

(I am exagarating for comic effect here/It's been under 40 degrees outside since freaking October 2018)

[Sophomore]

I do bit understand why people dont want the puck this year.

Memphis will not let us get a high lotto pick moving forwards so they will do whatever it takes to win moving on.

If the pick translates it means more salary to use in a davis trade.

It makes zero sense for boston or memphis to root for the pick to not translate thus season

There’s always a chance Memphis will fail in its rebuild so the unprotected pick might be great two years from now.

But (1) who knows - that pick might be a high lottery pick; (2) ninth isn’t bad value - a lot of starters and even all stars are found there; (3) you made an important point when you mention the salary. It’s hard to put together a trade for AD where the salaries match w/out sending Smart. Having that salary would help.

With Gasol out and a Conley soon to follow the Grizz are going to be steadily getting worse. Their record now has a lot to do with their strong start when they had both Conley and Gasol. With the two next year they will be much worse. The West is strong and no matter how good Jaren Jackson may become he's not going to get them in the play-offs in his 2nd or 3rd year. Memphis' rebuild will convey a top ten pick at the least

Maybe. I remember at the start of this year I argued the Kings might well be in the high lottery and most people laughed. They’re going to suck, people said.

When the protections come off, JJJ will be in his 3d year, and whoever they take at the top of this draft in his second. Their cap sheet will be wide open and the ownership group isn’t stupid.

[Silky]

I do bit understand why people dont want the puck this year.

Memphis will not let us get a high lotto pick moving forwards so they will do whatever it takes to win moving on.

If the pick translates it means more salary to use in a davis trade.

It makes zero sense for boston or memphis to root for the pick to not translate thus season

There’s always a chance Memphis will fail in its rebuild so the unprotected pick might be great two years from now.

But (1) who knows - that pick might be a high lottery pick; (2) ninth isn’t bad value - a lot of starters and even all stars are found there; (3) you made an important point when you mention the salary. It’s hard to put together a trade for AD where the salaries match w/out sending Smart. Having that salary would help.

With Gasol out and a Conley soon to follow the Grizz are going to be steadily getting worse. Their record now has a lot to do with their strong start when they had both Conley and Gasol. With the two next year they will be much worse. The West is strong and no matter how good Jaren Jackson may become he's not going to get them in the play-offs in his 2nd or 3rd year. Memphis' rebuild will convey a top ten pick at the least

Like Sacramento?
Or Boston last season?

Never underestimate the value of youth and chemistry on wins.

[Fierce1]

I do bit understand why people dont want the puck this year.

Memphis will not let us get a high lotto pick moving forwards so they will do whatever it takes to win moving on.

If the pick translates it means more salary to use in a davis trade.

It makes zero sense for boston or memphis to root for the pick to not translate thus season

There’s always a chance Memphis will fail in its rebuild so the unprotected pick might be great two years from now.

But (1) who knows - that pick might be a high lottery pick; (2) ninth isn’t bad value - a lot of starters and even all stars are found there; (3) you made an important point when you mention the salary. It’s hard to put together a trade for AD where the salaries match w/out sending Smart. Having that salary would help.

With Gasol out and a Conley soon to follow the Grizz are going to be steadily getting worse. Their record now has a lot to do with their strong start when they had both Conley and Gasol. With the two next year they will be much worse. The West is strong and no matter how good Jaren Jackson may become he's not going to get them in the play-offs in his 2nd or 3rd year. Memphis' rebuild will convey a top ten pick at the least

Like Sacramento?
Or Boston last season?

Never underestimate the value of youth and chemistry on wins.

But unlike Sacramento or Boston, the Griz have no core players for next year.
Most of their remaining players are vets.
The rest have expiring contracts.
There's really a big chance the Memphis pick will end up conveying in 2021.

[Silky]

I do bit understand why people dont want the puck this year.

Memphis will not let us get a high lotto pick moving forwards so they will do whatever it takes to win moving on.

If the pick translates it means more salary to use in a davis trade.

It makes zero sense for boston or memphis to root for the pick to not translate thus season

There’s always a chance Memphis will fail in its rebuild so the unprotected pick might be great two years from now.

But (1) who knows - that pick might be a high lottery pick; (2) ninth isn’t bad value - a lot of starters and even all stars are found there; (3) you made an important point when you mention the salary. It’s hard to put together a trade for AD where the salaries match w/out sending Smart. Having that salary would help.

With Gasol out and a Conley soon to follow the Grizz are going to be steadily getting worse. Their record now has a lot to do with their strong start when they had both Conley and Gasol. With the two next year they will be much worse. The West is strong and no matter how good Jaren Jackson may become he's not going to get them in the play-offs in his 2nd or 3rd year. Memphis' rebuild will convey a top ten pick at the least

Like Sacramento?
Or Boston last season?

Never underestimate the value of youth and chemistry on wins.

But unlike Sacramento or Boston, the Griz have no core players for next year.
Most of their remaining players are vets.
The rest have expiring contracts.
There's really a big chance the Memphis pick will end up conveying in 2021.

Well seeing hiw the pick is unprotected in 2021...yeah really good chance it conveys

However...


Trading conley will net them a nuce young piece.

Trading parsons gigantic expiring will most likely net them a serviceable player.

They have big capspace. Like max player big. Plus their draft picks over the next couple years.

That pick will get worse and worse as time goes forward. In 2021 at the latest, they will be like the current kings.

[Csfan1984]

I do bit understand why people dont want the puck this year.

Memphis will not let us get a high lotto pick moving forwards so they will do whatever it takes to win moving on.

If the pick translates it means more salary to use in a davis trade.

It makes zero sense for boston or memphis to root for the pick to not translate thus season

There’s always a chance Memphis will fail in its rebuild so the unprotected pick might be great two years from now.

But (1) who knows - that pick might be a high lottery pick; (2) ninth isn’t bad value - a lot of starters and even all stars are found there; (3) you made an important point when you mention the salary. It’s hard to put together a trade for AD where the salaries match w/out sending Smart. Having that salary would help.

With Gasol out and a Conley soon to follow the Grizz are going to be steadily getting worse. Their record now has a lot to do with their strong start when they had both Conley and Gasol. With the two next year they will be much worse. The West is strong and no matter how good Jaren Jackson may become he's not going to get them in the play-offs in his 2nd or 3rd year. Memphis' rebuild will convey a top ten pick at the least

Like Sacramento?
Or Boston last season?

Never underestimate the value of youth and chemistry on wins.

But unlike Sacramento or Boston, the Griz have no core players for next year.
Most of their remaining players are vets.
The rest have expiring contracts.
There's really a big chance the Memphis pick will end up conveying in 2021.

Well seeing hiw the pick is unprotected in 2021...yeah really good chance it conveys

However...


Trading conley will net them a nuce young piece.

Trading parsons gigantic expiring will most likely net them a serviceable player.

They have big capspace. Like max player big. Plus their draft picks over the next couple years.

That pick will get worse and worse as time goes forward. In 2021 at the latest, they will be like the current kings.

If it was that easy why have the 76ers, Magic, Kings, Suns, Lakers, Knicks, Nets and other teams trying to rebuild take multiple years to get good? You are really giving the Grizz way too much benefit.

[Silky]

I do bit understand why people dont want the puck this year.

Memphis will not let us get a high lotto pick moving forwards so they will do whatever it takes to win moving on.

If the pick translates it means more salary to use in a davis trade.

It makes zero sense for boston or memphis to root for the pick to not translate thus season

There’s always a chance Memphis will fail in its rebuild so the unprotected pick might be great two years from now.

But (1) who knows - that pick might be a high lottery pick; (2) ninth isn’t bad value - a lot of starters and even all stars are found there; (3) you made an important point when you mention the salary. It’s hard to put together a trade for AD where the salaries match w/out sending Smart. Having that salary would help.

With Gasol out and a Conley soon to follow the Grizz are going to be steadily getting worse. Their record now has a lot to do with their strong start when they had both Conley and Gasol. With the two next year they will be much worse. The West is strong and no matter how good Jaren Jackson may become he's not going to get them in the play-offs in his 2nd or 3rd year. Memphis' rebuild will convey a top ten pick at the least

Like Sacramento?
Or Boston last season?

Never underestimate the value of youth and chemistry on wins.

But unlike Sacramento or Boston, the Griz have no core players for next year.
Most of their remaining players are vets.
The rest have expiring contracts.
There's really a big chance the Memphis pick will end up conveying in 2021.

Well seeing hiw the pick is unprotected in 2021...yeah really good chance it conveys

However...


Trading conley will net them a nuce young piece.

Trading parsons gigantic expiring will most likely net them a serviceable player.

They have big capspace. Like max player big. Plus their draft picks over the next couple years.

That pick will get worse and worse as time goes forward. In 2021 at the latest, they will be like the current kings.

If it was that easy why have the 76ers, Magic, Kings, Suns, Lakers, Knicks, Nets and other teams trying to rebuild take multiple years to get good? You are really giving the Grizz way too much benefit.

Philly has made some poor decisions, and made a few questionable draft choices
MAgic had poor management and now has solid management.
Kings are looking just fine, since switching gears post Cousins (couple years)
Suns are looking ofk, had some bad luck a few years back, morris bros set them back a bit imo
Lakers have bad management and some poor drafting and trades
Knicks have poor management.
Nets are doing pretty [dang] good considering how bad prockoff screwed them over, years without a pick. Now fighting for players, have space for a max free agent this year and open capspace moving forward.

[gouki88]

I do bit understand why people dont want the puck this year.

Memphis will not let us get a high lotto pick moving forwards so they will do whatever it takes to win moving on.

If the pick translates it means more salary to use in a davis trade.

It makes zero sense for boston or memphis to root for the pick to not translate thus season

There’s always a chance Memphis will fail in its rebuild so the unprotected pick might be great two years from now.

But (1) who knows - that pick might be a high lottery pick; (2) ninth isn’t bad value - a lot of starters and even all stars are found there; (3) you made an important point when you mention the salary. It’s hard to put together a trade for AD where the salaries match w/out sending Smart. Having that salary would help.

With Gasol out and a Conley soon to follow the Grizz are going to be steadily getting worse. Their record now has a lot to do with their strong start when they had both Conley and Gasol. With the two next year they will be much worse. The West is strong and no matter how good Jaren Jackson may become he's not going to get them in the play-offs in his 2nd or 3rd year. Memphis' rebuild will convey a top ten pick at the least

Like Sacramento?
Or Boston last season?

Never underestimate the value of youth and chemistry on wins.

But unlike Sacramento or Boston, the Griz have no core players for next year.
Most of their remaining players are vets.
The rest have expiring contracts.
There's really a big chance the Memphis pick will end up conveying in 2021.

Well seeing hiw the pick is unprotected in 2021...yeah really good chance it conveys

However...


Trading conley will net them a nuce young piece.

Trading parsons gigantic expiring will most likely net them a serviceable player.

They have big capspace. Like max player big. Plus their draft picks over the next couple years.

That pick will get worse and worse as time goes forward. In 2021 at the latest, they will be like the current kings.

If it was that easy why have the 76ers, Magic, Kings, Suns, Lakers, Knicks, Nets and other teams trying to rebuild take multiple years to get good? You are really giving the Grizz way too much benefit.

Philly has made some poor decisions, and made a few questionable draft choices
MAgic had poor management and now has solid management.
Kings are looking just fine, since switching gears post Cousins (couple years)
Suns are looking ofk, had some bad luck a few years back, morris bros set them back a bit imo
Lakers have bad management and some poor drafting and trades
Knicks have poor management.
Nets are doing pretty [dang] good considering how bad prockoff screwed them over, years without a pick. Now fighting for players, have space for a max free agent this year and open capspace moving forward.

I’m not getting into the debate, but your summary of PHX is pretty hilarious. Blaming the Morris twins for their continued dysfunction is nonsense, c’mon. They consistently make moves that don’t seem to make sense, like signing Ariza (luckily Washington is foolish) and trading for Anderson.

[ManUp]

I do bit understand why people dont want the puck this year.

Memphis will not let us get a high lotto pick moving forwards so they will do whatever it takes to win moving on.

If the pick translates it means more salary to use in a davis trade.

It makes zero sense for boston or memphis to root for the pick to not translate thus season

There’s always a chance Memphis will fail in its rebuild so the unprotected pick might be great two years from now.

But (1) who knows - that pick might be a high lottery pick; (2) ninth isn’t bad value - a lot of starters and even all stars are found there; (3) you made an important point when you mention the salary. It’s hard to put together a trade for AD where the salaries match w/out sending Smart. Having that salary would help.

With Gasol out and a Conley soon to follow the Grizz are going to be steadily getting worse. Their record now has a lot to do with their strong start when they had both Conley and Gasol. With the two next year they will be much worse. The West is strong and no matter how good Jaren Jackson may become he's not going to get them in the play-offs in his 2nd or 3rd year. Memphis' rebuild will convey a top ten pick at the least

Like Sacramento?
Or Boston last season?

Never underestimate the value of youth and chemistry on wins.

Sacremento is pretty much an aberration, they could have just as easily been where the suns are, which is where they were projected to be. The Celtics were a team full of role player and veterans. Tatum and Brown were supporting players and Kyrie played most of the season. Memphis just lost Gasol and Conley is on the way out. The Grizzlies organization is about to hit the reset button, much different from the Celtics who were 3+ years into the process and the Kings who've been collecting assets for what feels like forever.

[Csfan1984]

I do bit understand why people dont want the puck this year.

Memphis will not let us get a high lotto pick moving forwards so they will do whatever it takes to win moving on.

If the pick translates it means more salary to use in a davis trade.

It makes zero sense for boston or memphis to root for the pick to not translate thus season

There’s always a chance Memphis will fail in its rebuild so the unprotected pick might be great two years from now.

But (1) who knows - that pick might be a high lottery pick; (2) ninth isn’t bad value - a lot of starters and even all stars are found there; (3) you made an important point when you mention the salary. It’s hard to put together a trade for AD where the salaries match w/out sending Smart. Having that salary would help.

With Gasol out and a Conley soon to follow the Grizz are going to be steadily getting worse. Their record now has a lot to do with their strong start when they had both Conley and Gasol. With the two next year they will be much worse. The West is strong and no matter how good Jaren Jackson may become he's not going to get them in the play-offs in his 2nd or 3rd year. Memphis' rebuild will convey a top ten pick at the least

Like Sacramento?
Or Boston last season?

Never underestimate the value of youth and chemistry on wins.

But unlike Sacramento or Boston, the Griz have no core players for next year.
Most of their remaining players are vets.
The rest have expiring contracts.
There's really a big chance the Memphis pick will end up conveying in 2021.

Well seeing hiw the pick is unprotected in 2021...yeah really good chance it conveys

However...


Trading conley will net them a nuce young piece.

Trading parsons gigantic expiring will most likely net them a serviceable player.

They have big capspace. Like max player big. Plus their draft picks over the next couple years.

That pick will get worse and worse as time goes forward. In 2021 at the latest, they will be like the current kings.

If it was that easy why have the 76ers, Magic, Kings, Suns, Lakers, Knicks, Nets and other teams trying to rebuild take multiple years to get good? You are really giving the Grizz way too much benefit.

Philly has made some poor decisions, and made a few questionable draft choices
MAgic had poor management and now has solid management.
Kings are looking just fine, since switching gears post Cousins (couple years)
Suns are looking ofk, had some bad luck a few years back, morris bros set them back a bit imo
Lakers have bad management and some poor drafting and trades
Knicks have poor management.
Nets are doing pretty [dang] good considering how bad prockoff screwed them over, years without a pick. Now fighting for players, have space for a max free agent this year and open capspace moving forward.

All that evidence on how hard it is indeed to get things right yet the Grizz will just knock it out the park. The model franchise with great success and history..... 

[rondofan1255]

3 point Buzzer beater to win 116-113 for Lou Williams against Brooklyn

Way beyond the arc!

[slamtheking]

I do bit understand why people dont want the puck this year.

Memphis will not let us get a high lotto pick moving forwards so they will do whatever it takes to win moving on.

If the pick translates it means more salary to use in a davis trade.

It makes zero sense for boston or memphis to root for the pick to not translate thus season

There’s always a chance Memphis will fail in its rebuild so the unprotected pick might be great two years from now.

But (1) who knows - that pick might be a high lottery pick; (2) ninth isn’t bad value - a lot of starters and even all stars are found there; (3) you made an important point when you mention the salary. It’s hard to put together a trade for AD where the salaries match w/out sending Smart. Having that salary would help.

With Gasol out and a Conley soon to follow the Grizz are going to be steadily getting worse. Their record now has a lot to do with their strong start when they had both Conley and Gasol. With the two next year they will be much worse. The West is strong and no matter how good Jaren Jackson may become he's not going to get them in the play-offs in his 2nd or 3rd year. Memphis' rebuild will convey a top ten pick at the least

Like Sacramento?
Or Boston last season?

Never underestimate the value of youth and chemistry on wins.

But unlike Sacramento or Boston, the Griz have no core players for next year.
Most of their remaining players are vets.
The rest have expiring contracts.
There's really a big chance the Memphis pick will end up conveying in 2021.

Well seeing hiw the pick is unprotected in 2021...yeah really good chance it conveys

However...


Trading conley will net them a nuce young piece.

Trading parsons gigantic expiring will most likely net them a serviceable player.

They have big capspace. Like max player big. Plus their draft picks over the next couple years.

That pick will get worse and worse as time goes forward. In 2021 at the latest, they will be like the current kings.

If it was that easy why have the 76ers, Magic, Kings, Suns, Lakers, Knicks, Nets and other teams trying to rebuild take multiple years to get good? You are really giving the Grizz way too much benefit.

Philly has made some poor decisions, and made a few questionable draft choices
MAgic had poor management and now has solid management.
Kings are looking just fine, since switching gears post Cousins (couple years)
Suns are looking ofk, had some bad luck a few years back, morris bros set them back a bit imo
Lakers have bad management and some poor drafting and trades
Knicks have poor management.
Nets are doing pretty [dang] good considering how bad prockoff screwed them over, years without a pick. Now fighting for players, have space for a max free agent this year and open capspace moving forward.

All that evidence on how hard it is indeed to get things right yet the Grizz will just knock it out the park. The model franchise with great success and history..... 

pretty much says it all.  tons of precedence Memphis isn't going to rocket into the playoffs or even improve.  much more likely to get worse.  Silky's doing more to prove his point wrong.