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Re: Stevens... it's time to let Tatum and Brown get loose
« Reply #60 on: March 20, 2019, 04:23:31 PM »

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The point of sitting Kyrie is to let the other guys feel like the man and not have the crutch of Kyrie saving them.

Pacers have a brutal schedule.

I wouldn't even play Kyrie or Horford tomorrow vs Philly. Do not give them any confidence and keeping those two out wouldnt give them anything on video to gameplan against.

We arent dropping past the 5th seed. Time to also start playing Williams.

These guys are professional athletes not 3rd graders.
Yeah, treating them like children has been part of the problem IMO
A seemingly common concensus among Kyrie haters is that our young guys are spoiled 5 year-old brats who need to be coddled and pampered.

Nothing to do with coddling or pampering. It has everything to do with playing in a stagnant offense with a ball-dominant point guard that hinders their ability to find an offensive rhythm. Was last season a mirage ? Did Brown and Tatum suddenly become inferior players, both during the same season ?
Don't understand the description of the Celtic offense as stagnant. The average nearly 300 passes a game. If you look at team passing stats and team assist stats the Celtics are in the top 5-7 in just about any stat you look at. There is simply little proof the Celtics have a stagnant offense.

You want stagnant offenses look at Houston(246 passes per game) or OKC(237 passes per game).

- As for your claim that Kyrie's ball dominance is somehow holding Brown and Tatum back and effecting their rhythym, well, Brown has gotten better and better as the season has progressed. Offensively he is currently playing better offensively than he has his whole career. Seems Brown's offensive rhythm just keeps getting better and better.

As for Tatum, his problem is simple. Take a look at his FG% from different distances. He is simply shooting much worse from beyond 10 feet than he did last year while taking around the same percentage of shots.

From 10'-16'
Last year 43.8%
This tear 41.7%

From 16'-23'
Last year 42%
This year 36.8%

From +23'
Last year 43.4%
This year 36%

Tatum is getting more shots this year and the team has been patient with his need to go iso and take bad shots. Tatum's problems aren't offensive rhythm or opportunities. His problem is simple. He isn't shooting nearly as well from distance. That is all on him.


Re: Stevens... it's time to let Tatum and Brown get loose
« Reply #61 on: March 20, 2019, 04:37:15 PM »

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The point of sitting Kyrie is to let the other guys feel like the man and not have the crutch of Kyrie saving them.

Pacers have a brutal schedule.

I wouldn't even play Kyrie or Horford tomorrow vs Philly. Do not give them any confidence and keeping those two out wouldnt give them anything on video to gameplan against.

We arent dropping past the 5th seed. Time to also start playing Williams.

These guys are professional athletes not 3rd graders.
Yeah, treating them like children has been part of the problem IMO
A seemingly common concensus among Kyrie haters is that our young guys are spoiled 5 year-old brats who need to be coddled and pampered.

Nothing to do with coddling or pampering. It has everything to do with playing in a stagnant offense with a ball-dominant point guard that hinders their ability to find an offensive rhythm. Was last season a mirage ? Did Brown and Tatum suddenly become inferior players, both during the same season ?
Don't understand the description of the Celtic offense as stagnant. The average nearly 300 passes a game. If you look at team passing stats and team assist stats the Celtics are in the top 5-7 in just about any stat you look at. There is simply little proof the Celtics have a stagnant offense.

You want stagnant offenses look at Houston(246 passes per game) or OKC(237 passes per game).

- As for your claim that Kyrie's ball dominance is somehow holding Brown and Tatum back and effecting their rhythym, well, Brown has gotten better and better as the season has progressed. Offensively he is currently playing better offensively than he has his whole career. Seems Brown's offensive rhythm just keeps getting better and better.

As for Tatum, his problem is simple. Take a look at his FG% from different distances. He is simply shooting much worse from beyond 10 feet than he did last year while taking around the same percentage of shots.

From 10'-16'
Last year 43.8%
This tear 41.7%

From 16'-23'
Last year 42%
This year 36.8%

From +23'
Last year 43.4%
This year 36%

Tatum is getting more shots this year and the team has been patient with his need to go iso and take bad shots. Tatum's problems aren't offensive rhythm or opportunities. His problem is simple. He isn't shooting nearly as well from distance. That is all on him.

Couldn't agree with you more about the ball movement.  If anything, sometimes the team becomes too hesitant and overpasses during droughts.  Crisp ball movement and making the right basketball play is great, but nothing is worse than seeing the entire team hesitant to either shoot or pass.  Denver was a step ahead on defense throughout most of the 2nd half. 

Re: Stevens... it's time to let Tatum and Brown get loose
« Reply #62 on: March 20, 2019, 06:52:17 PM »

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And JB, Smart, Tatum, Terry and Al have already proven what their capable of under playoff pressure.  Questioning those guys now because the coaching staff hasn't gotten it together is kind of retarded.

Coaching is only part of the problem, though.  Guys like Tatum & Rozier look like they've regressed to an extent from last year.   That's on them to a degree.

Man, yall need to give that dude some slack. He has taken the biggest hit and biggest burden of anyone. He was a HUGE part of why they overacheived and then they demote him to wannamaker status IN A CONTRACT YEAR...basically just because Kyrie looks good scoring, and they want to keep him happy at the expense of Terry. There's something inherently wrong with that even though I understand it.

Terry is also alot better than yall give him credit for, but his minutes are spotty and he can't get in a rythm...then there's the hit to his confidence and the lack of trust the coaching staff has shown him.

And after all that he's still the player that ball-hawked, rebounded, and forced the team to run to the ECF.

People in New england have a bad habit of crapping on their best gems.

I almost wish they would trade him and yall see him three years from now, and Danny's still chasing his tail trying to find pieces he already had.

About as bone-headed as Pitino.

Also, a point needs to feel like it's "his team". He had that in the playoffs, and they took it all away from him this year, so why would you expect him to play like it's his team?

He's in a totally different position now and plays like it.

TP. Well put.

Re: Stevens... it's time to let Tatum and Brown get loose
« Reply #63 on: March 20, 2019, 07:40:44 PM »

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I'm stunned at the way some have blamed Tatum and Brown for falling back. Look these guys were on a upward trend and trying to incorporate Kyrie and Hayward back into the system has stunted their growth. It's not their fault...blame Stevens.

Would we have a higher seed had we let them keep growing...Yes.

Kyrie hasn't embraced their growth and that's part of the problem. It's not like Stevens could bench Kyrie but he could've pushed for them to be more go-to guys. Now everyone wants to act like the playoff run last year was a fluke. Um, they waxed Philly and a Bucks team and were up 2-0 on Bron, so it's hard for me to blame them this year.

If you stayed in a 5 star hotel for 3 months and then someone said now you need to go stay in the Motel 6, you'd have a problem too.

Kyrie's APG are up two assists per game this season so not buying that.  Do you want to throw something else at the wall and hope that it sticks?
 
At some point, you have to hold these players culpable for their own play and stop pointing fingers at the coaching staff & Kyrie for any problems the young guys might be having.

Quit analyzing by pointing to stats - missing the point, missing the point, missing the point.

The more assists Irving racks up means the ball is in his hands - dribble, dribble, dribble, then drive and dish ONE pass for a basket. This is fine once in awhile - but not as a steady diet. Brown, Tatum, Horford, Hayward and Rozier play better when the ball is moving. They catch and shoot in rhythm this way and their feet are set and they are moving into the shot and they are creating some offense of their own instead of standing around watching Kyrie dribble.

 Why is this so hard to understand ?
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Re: Stevens... it's time to let Tatum and Brown get loose
« Reply #64 on: March 20, 2019, 07:47:42 PM »

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I'm stunned at the way some have blamed Tatum and Brown for falling back. Look these guys were on a upward trend and trying to incorporate Kyrie and Hayward back into the system has stunted their growth. It's not their fault...blame Stevens.

Would we have a higher seed had we let them keep growing...Yes.

Kyrie hasn't embraced their growth and that's part of the problem. It's not like Stevens could bench Kyrie but he could've pushed for them to be more go-to guys. Now everyone wants to act like the playoff run last year was a fluke. Um, they waxed Philly and a Bucks team and were up 2-0 on Bron, so it's hard for me to blame them this year.

If you stayed in a 5 star hotel for 3 months and then someone said now you need to go stay in the Motel 6, you'd have a problem too.

Kyrie's APG are up two assists per game this season so not buying that.  Do you want to throw something else at the wall and hope that it sticks?
 
At some point, you have to hold these players culpable for their own play and stop pointing fingers at the coaching staff & Kyrie for any problems the young guys might be having.

Quit analyzing by pointing to stats - missing the point, missing the point, missing the point.

The more assists Irving racks up means the ball is in his hands - dribble, dribble, dribble, then drive and dish ONE pass for a basket. This is fine once in awhile - but not as a steady diet. Brown, Tatum, Horford, Hayward and Rozier play better when the ball is moving. They catch and shoot in rhythm this way and their feet are set and they are moving into the shot and they are creating some offense of their own instead of standing around watching Kyrie dribble.

 Why is this so hard to understand ?
I think it's hard to understand because what you are describing isn't happening.

Re: Stevens... it's time to let Tatum and Brown get loose
« Reply #65 on: March 20, 2019, 07:57:30 PM »

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I'm stunned at the way some have blamed Tatum and Brown for falling back. Look these guys were on a upward trend and trying to incorporate Kyrie and Hayward back into the system has stunted their growth. It's not their fault...blame Stevens.

Would we have a higher seed had we let them keep growing...Yes.

Kyrie hasn't embraced their growth and that's part of the problem. It's not like Stevens could bench Kyrie but he could've pushed for them to be more go-to guys. Now everyone wants to act like the playoff run last year was a fluke. Um, they waxed Philly and a Bucks team and were up 2-0 on Bron, so it's hard for me to blame them this year.

If you stayed in a 5 star hotel for 3 months and then someone said now you need to go stay in the Motel 6, you'd have a problem too.

Kyrie's APG are up two assists per game this season so not buying that.  Do you want to throw something else at the wall and hope that it sticks?
 
At some point, you have to hold these players culpable for their own play and stop pointing fingers at the coaching staff & Kyrie for any problems the young guys might be having.

Quit analyzing by pointing to stats - missing the point, missing the point, missing the point.

The more assists Irving racks up means the ball is in his hands - dribble, dribble, dribble, then drive and dish ONE pass for a basket. This is fine once in awhile - but not as a steady diet. Brown, Tatum, Horford, Hayward and Rozier play better when the ball is moving. They catch and shoot in rhythm this way and their feet are set and they are moving into the shot and they are creating some offense of their own instead of standing around watching Kyrie dribble.

 Why is this so hard to understand ?
I think it's hard to understand because what you are describing isn't happening.
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Re: Stevens... it's time to let Tatum and Brown get loose
« Reply #66 on: March 20, 2019, 08:24:45 PM »

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Re: Stevens... it's time to let Tatum and Brown get loose
« Reply #67 on: March 20, 2019, 08:29:08 PM »

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The point of sitting Kyrie is to let the other guys feel like the man and not have the crutch of Kyrie saving them.

Pacers have a brutal schedule.

I wouldn't even play Kyrie or Horford tomorrow vs Philly. Do not give them any confidence and keeping those two out wouldnt give them anything on video to gameplan against.

We arent dropping past the 5th seed. Time to also start playing Williams.

These guys are professional athletes not 3rd graders.
Yeah, treating them like children has been part of the problem IMO
A seemingly common concensus among Kyrie haters is that our young guys are spoiled 5 year-old brats who need to be coddled and pampered.

Nothing to do with coddling or pampering. It has everything to do with playing in a stagnant offense with a ball-dominant point guard that hinders their ability to find an offensive rhythm. Was last season a mirage ? Did Brown and Tatum suddenly become inferior players, both during the same season ?
Don't understand the description of the Celtic offense as stagnant. The average nearly 300 passes a game. If you look at team passing stats and team assist stats the Celtics are in the top 5-7 in just about any stat you look at. There is simply little proof the Celtics have a stagnant offense.

You want stagnant offenses look at Houston(246 passes per game) or OKC(237 passes per game).

- As for your claim that Kyrie's ball dominance is somehow holding Brown and Tatum back and effecting their rhythym, well, Brown has gotten better and better as the season has progressed. Offensively he is currently playing better offensively than he has his whole career. Seems Brown's offensive rhythm just keeps getting better and better.

As for Tatum, his problem is simple. Take a look at his FG% from different distances. He is simply shooting much worse from beyond 10 feet than he did last year while taking around the same percentage of shots.

From 10'-16'
Last year 43.8%
This tear 41.7%

From 16'-23'
Last year 42%
This year 36.8%

From +23'
Last year 43.4%
This year 36%

Tatum is getting more shots this year and the team has been patient with his need to go iso and take bad shots. Tatum's problems aren't offensive rhythm or opportunities. His problem is simple. He isn't shooting nearly as well from distance. That is all on him.

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Re: Stevens... it's time to let Tatum and Brown get loose
« Reply #68 on: March 22, 2019, 12:58:20 AM »

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I'm stunned at the way some have blamed Tatum and Brown for falling back. Look these guys were on a upward trend and trying to incorporate Kyrie and Hayward back into the system has stunted their growth. It's not their fault...blame Stevens.

Would we have a higher seed had we let them keep growing...Yes.

Kyrie hasn't embraced their growth and that's part of the problem. It's not like Stevens could bench Kyrie but he could've pushed for them to be more go-to guys. Now everyone wants to act like the playoff run last year was a fluke. Um, they waxed Philly and a Bucks team and were up 2-0 on Bron, so it's hard for me to blame them this year.

If you stayed in a 5 star hotel for 3 months and then someone said now you need to go stay in the Motel 6, you'd have a problem too.

Kyrie's APG are up two assists per game this season so not buying that.  Do you want to throw something else at the wall and hope that it sticks?
 
At some point, you have to hold these players culpable for their own play and stop pointing fingers at the coaching staff & Kyrie for any problems the young guys might be having.

Quit analyzing by pointing to stats - missing the point, missing the point, missing the point.

The more assists Irving racks up means the ball is in his hands - dribble, dribble, dribble, then drive and dish ONE pass for a basket. This is fine once in awhile - but not as a steady diet. Brown, Tatum, Horford, Hayward and Rozier play better when the ball is moving. They catch and shoot in rhythm this way and their feet are set and they are moving into the shot and they are creating some offense of their own instead of standing around watching Kyrie dribble.

 Why is this so hard to understand ?
I think it's hard to understand because what you are describing isn't happening.

Well, to some extent it is happening.  Chauncey Billups shared a stat a week or so ago that showed that the number of passes per possession for the Celtics is dramatically higher on possessions without Kyrie on the floor than for possessions with him on the floor.  I can't remember the exact rankings but it was like the difference between a top 5 ranking and a bottom 5 ranking in number of passes per possession.

But that's not necessarily a bad thing.  It's just different.  Kyrie is a super-efficient scorer and it simply makes sense that a significant percentage of his possessions are going to consist of him bringing up the ball and scoring without the ball ever leaving his hands.  That just has to happen a few times to really drop the average.  And on other plays it may just go from him to a scorer or from him to a player and back for a score.   The proof is on the scoreboard that this overall results in efficient scoring.  It does put a lot of dependency on Kyrie though.

When he's not on the floor, we tend to rely on multiple players touching the ball on each play to generate points.  And this, too can result in efficient scoring, though it is dependent on particular lineups and rotations that are complementary.

Whether this difference in the way they have to play is a bad thing depends on how well the team handles the two very different ways of operating.
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Re: Stevens... it's time to let Tatum and Brown get loose
« Reply #69 on: March 22, 2019, 01:18:44 AM »

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The point of sitting Kyrie is to let the other guys feel like the man and not have the crutch of Kyrie saving them.

Pacers have a brutal schedule.

I wouldn't even play Kyrie or Horford tomorrow vs Philly. Do not give them any confidence and keeping those two out wouldnt give them anything on video to gameplan against.

We arent dropping past the 5th seed. Time to also start playing Williams.

These guys are professional athletes not 3rd graders.
Yeah, treating them like children has been part of the problem IMO
A seemingly common concensus among Kyrie haters is that our young guys are spoiled 5 year-old brats who need to be coddled and pampered.

Nothing to do with coddling or pampering. It has everything to do with playing in a stagnant offense with a ball-dominant point guard that hinders their ability to find an offensive rhythm. Was last season a mirage ? Did Brown and Tatum suddenly become inferior players, both during the same season ?
Don't understand the description of the Celtic offense as stagnant. The average nearly 300 passes a game. If you look at team passing stats and team assist stats the Celtics are in the top 5-7 in just about any stat you look at. There is simply little proof the Celtics have a stagnant offense.

You want stagnant offenses look at Houston(246 passes per game) or OKC(237 passes per game).


Well, passing stats indicate that the ball is moving (at least between two players).   It doesn't necessarily indicate by itself whether players are moving.   And in the classic definition of a "motion offense" the word "motion" is supposed to refer to the motion of the players more so than the ball. 

And in this regard, the stats aren't so kind to us.   Per NBA tracking data the Celtics rank 19th in average speed on offense and 26th in total distance the players move per game on offense.   Those aren't indicative of a lot of player movement.
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« Reply #70 on: March 22, 2019, 01:23:22 AM »

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The point of sitting Kyrie is to let the other guys feel like the man and not have the crutch of Kyrie saving them.

Pacers have a brutal schedule.

I wouldn't even play Kyrie or Horford tomorrow vs Philly. Do not give them any confidence and keeping those two out wouldnt give them anything on video to gameplan against.

We arent dropping past the 5th seed. Time to also start playing Williams.

These guys are professional athletes not 3rd graders.
Yeah, treating them like children has been part of the problem IMO
A seemingly common concensus among Kyrie haters is that our young guys are spoiled 5 year-old brats who need to be coddled and pampered.

Nothing to do with coddling or pampering. It has everything to do with playing in a stagnant offense with a ball-dominant point guard that hinders their ability to find an offensive rhythm. Was last season a mirage ? Did Brown and Tatum suddenly become inferior players, both during the same season ?
Don't understand the description of the Celtic offense as stagnant. The average nearly 300 passes a game. If you look at team passing stats and team assist stats the Celtics are in the top 5-7 in just about any stat you look at. There is simply little proof the Celtics have a stagnant offense.

You want stagnant offenses look at Houston(246 passes per game) or OKC(237 passes per game).


Well, passing stats indicate that the ball is moving (at least between two players).   It doesn't necessarily indicate by itself whether players are moving.   And in the classic definition of a "motion offense" the word "motion" is supposed to refer to the motion of the players more so than the ball. 

And in this regard, the stats aren't so kind to us.   Per NBA tracking data the Celtics rank 19th in average speed on offense and 26th in total distance the players move per game on offense.   Those aren't indicative of a lot of player movement.
From what I saw in the Philly game, quite a bit of the passing came from the Kyrie/Rozier two man game with Horford, which ended up being static in crunch time (if we fed the ball to Brown in the post to exploit Redick and had players cutting and moving it would've been better imo). We should look to exploit size mismatches a bit more often (quite some teams are playing with combo guards at SG, while we usually have Brown/Tatum at the wing) in crunch time for some easy buckets to take the pressure off of Kyrie/Horford.
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« Reply #71 on: March 22, 2019, 06:51:38 AM »

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A seemingly common concensus among Kyrie haters is that our young guys are spoiled 5 year-old brats who need to be coddled and pampered.

Do you think he is in the same boat, I do to some degree. 

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« Reply #73 on: March 22, 2019, 01:49:22 PM »

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I'm stunned at the way some have blamed Tatum and Brown for falling back. Look these guys were on a upward trend and trying to incorporate Kyrie and Hayward back into the system has stunted their growth. It's not their fault...blame Stevens.

Would we have a higher seed had we let them keep growing...Yes.

Kyrie hasn't embraced their growth and that's part of the problem. It's not like Stevens could bench Kyrie but he could've pushed for them to be more go-to guys. Now everyone wants to act like the playoff run last year was a fluke. Um, they waxed Philly and a Bucks team and were up 2-0 on Bron, so it's hard for me to blame them this year.

If you stayed in a 5 star hotel for 3 months and then someone said now you need to go stay in the Motel 6, you'd have a problem too.

Kyrie's APG are up two assists per game this season so not buying that.  Do you want to throw something else at the wall and hope that it sticks?
 
At some point, you have to hold these players culpable for their own play and stop pointing fingers at the coaching staff & Kyrie for any problems the young guys might be having.

Quit analyzing by pointing to stats - missing the point, missing the point, missing the point.

The more assists Irving racks up means the ball is in his hands - dribble, dribble, dribble, then drive and dish ONE pass for a basket. This is fine once in awhile - but not as a steady diet. Brown, Tatum, Horford, Hayward and Rozier play better when the ball is moving. They catch and shoot in rhythm this way and their feet are set and they are moving into the shot and they are creating some offense of their own instead of standing around watching Kyrie dribble.

 Why is this so hard to understand ?

HELLO! This is what I've been trying to tell people all year. They think you hate Kyrie if you would rahter see him get 10-15 assists verses 35 points. Great point...this team should have 5-6 guys averaging at least 10 ppg.

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« Reply #74 on: March 22, 2019, 01:54:32 PM »

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The point of sitting Kyrie is to let the other guys feel like the man and not have the crutch of Kyrie saving them.

Pacers have a brutal schedule.

I wouldn't even play Kyrie or Horford tomorrow vs Philly. Do not give them any confidence and keeping those two out wouldnt give them anything on video to gameplan against.

We arent dropping past the 5th seed. Time to also start playing Williams.

These guys are professional athletes not 3rd graders.
Yeah, treating them like children has been part of the problem IMO
A seemingly common concensus among Kyrie haters is that our young guys are spoiled 5 year-old brats who need to be coddled and pampered.

Nothing to do with coddling or pampering. It has everything to do with playing in a stagnant offense with a ball-dominant point guard that hinders their ability to find an offensive rhythm. Was last season a mirage ? Did Brown and Tatum suddenly become inferior players, both during the same season ?
Don't understand the description of the Celtic offense as stagnant. The average nearly 300 passes a game. If you look at team passing stats and team assist stats the Celtics are in the top 5-7 in just about any stat you look at. There is simply little proof the Celtics have a stagnant offense.

You want stagnant offenses look at Houston(246 passes per game) or OKC(237 passes per game).


Well, passing stats indicate that the ball is moving (at least between two players).   It doesn't necessarily indicate by itself whether players are moving.   And in the classic definition of a "motion offense" the word "motion" is supposed to refer to the motion of the players more so than the ball. 

And in this regard, the stats aren't so kind to us.   Per NBA tracking data the Celtics rank 19th in average speed on offense and 26th in total distance the players move per game on offense.   Those aren't indicative of a lot of player movement.

The lack of player movement in Brad's offense is one thing I just don't get.  I always thought moving without the ball, running off screens, moving to go screen for a team mate was the epitome of good team basketball.  It makes the def WORK to stop you.  We have great athletes on our team but they stand in one place way too much imo.