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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: Moranis on November 10, 2018, 08:35:29 PM
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Love can be traded on January 23rd. Assuming he is healthy at some point before the trade deadline, I think the Cavs will move him. Looking around the league, the team that makes a lot of sense for Love is the Sixers. He would be a great fit between Embiid and Butler.
So here is the trade idea
Love, Korver
for
Fultz, Patton, Korkmaz, Chandler
Cavs get to fully rebuild and get to take a flyer on Fultz and 2 younger players in Patton and Korkmaz.
Sixers end up significantly strengthening their starting lineup and shooting. Post trade the Sixers would then be Embiid, Love, Butler, Redick, Simmons with McConnell, Korver, Muscala, Shamet (and would add Smith next year).
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I think the Sixers are better off without K-Love. Love is a terrible defender and he won't get many shots / touches with Embiid, Jimmy Butler and Ben Simmons all getting theirs first. Slow footed stagnant player on offense too (in transition and in halfcourt).
Philly is better off without Love.
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I wouldn't do that trade if I'm the Sixers. Love and Redick in the starting lineup would kill their defense.
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Love can be traded on January 23rd. Assuming he is healthy at some point before the trade deadline, I think the Cavs will move him. Looking around the league, the team that makes a lot of sense for Love is the Sixers. He would be a great fit between Embiid and Butler.
So here is the trade idea
Love, Korver
for
Fultz, Patton, Korkmaz, Chandler
Cavs get to fully rebuild and get to take a flyer on Fultz and 2 younger players in Patton and Korkmaz.
Sixers end up significantly strengthening their starting lineup and shooting. Post trade the Sixers would then be Embiid, Love, Butler, Redick, Simmons with McConnell, Korver, Muscala, Shamet (and would add Smith next year).
Why do you come up with trade ideas on Celticsstrong that makes our competitor better and doesn’t involve the Celtics? Shouldn’t you do that on Liberty Ballers? I know you have the right to propose any trade you want, but as soon as I read the title, I knew it was your idea. Not saying it’s a bad idea. I just don’t understand your motivations on a site the common denominator of which is being a fan of the Celtics.
Questioning another poster's fanhood is against the rules. Please do not do it again.
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That's a good trade. I think the Cavs know they probably can't get much for Love at this point. For the Sixers, it gives them another shooter and intelligent player with playoff experience.
Long-term, I don't like the Sexton-Fultz backcourt, but it's good value in the immediate. Maybe one could get flipped later on.
In fairness, they get a one-year rental on Patton. He then becomes an UFA. Same with Korkmaz. Still, not a bad trade.
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I wouldn't do that trade if I'm the Sixers. Love and Redick in the starting lineup would kill their defense.
Maybe, maybe not, but it would make their offense significantly better and frankly they aren't defending all that well right now anyway.
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If Simmons does not like KAT and feels he is soft, how do folks think he will like passive Simmons and broken Fultz, this deal will cause problems for Philly mark my words.
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If Simmons does not like KAT and feels he is soft, how do folks think he will like passive Simmons and broken Fultz, this deal will cause problems for Philly mark my words.
Do you mean Butler?
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I wouldn't do that trade if I'm the Sixers. Love and Redick in the starting lineup would kill their defense.
Maybe, maybe not, but it would make their offense significantly better and frankly they aren't defending all that well right now anyway.
So you propose a trade to ensure that their defensive doesn't get better. Coach Brown is all about defense, pace and space. Love only fits only one of those criteria. The Sixers are trying to compete for championships which requires solid defense. They'd easily get bounced in the 2nd round again with Love and Redick in the starting lineup.
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Don't like this deal for either team really. The only pieces Cleveland would like are Korkmaz and Fultz, and Fultz's value is still pretty low, particularly for a team that just picked a guard in the top 10.
For Philly it makes them really quite a porous defensive team, as they would have one wing defender in Butler (basically one wing at all), and two really quite poor defenders starting in Redick and Love. Goes against what Brown is all for, seemingly
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Do you mean Butler?
Yes, sorry
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If I was a Cavs fan I would be p---ed. I think they can get more than zero for Love. Yes...all those players coming from the Sixers are worth ZERO.
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I wouldn't do that trade if I'm the Sixers. Love and Redick in the starting lineup would kill their defense.
Maybe, maybe not, but it would make their offense significantly better and frankly they aren't defending all that well right now anyway.
So you propose a trade to ensure that their defensive doesn't get better. Coach Brown is all about defense, pace and space. Love only fits only one of those criteria. The Sixers are trying to compete for championships which requires solid defense. They'd easily get bounced in the 2nd round again with Love and Redick in the starting lineup.
The Cavs didn't have any issue winning a title with Love's defense and they had Irving and Smith starting with him (and it isn't like Thompson is a great defender and James had already started his defensive decline). I think the defense argument is vastly overblown. If the Sixers win a title it will be because of their offense and the match-up problems a monster like Embiid is in the post and a gigantic point guard like Simmons causes (along with Butler's defense on the opposing great wings like James, Leonard, etc.). But in order for that to really work, they need the floor spacing that Love and Redick provide. Offense quite simply is far more important to winning basketball then defense in the modern game. You have to be able to hit 3 point shots or you aren't going to play effective winning basketball in the postseason.
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Cavs get to fully rebuild and get to take a flyer on Fultz and 2 younger players in Patton and Korkmaz.
Sixers end up significantly strengthening their starting lineup and shooting. Post trade the Sixers would then be Embiid, Love, Butler, Redick, Simmons with McConnell, Korver, Muscala, Shamet (and would add Smith next year).
I am not a fan of either of these teams being a Celtics Fan and want to see them both not do well.
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I wouldn't do that trade if I'm the Sixers. Love and Redick in the starting lineup would kill their defense.
Maybe, maybe not, but it would make their offense significantly better and frankly they aren't defending all that well right now anyway.
So you propose a trade to ensure that their defensive doesn't get better. Coach Brown is all about defense, pace and space. Love only fits only one of those criteria. The Sixers are trying to compete for championships which requires solid defense. They'd easily get bounced in the 2nd round again with Love and Redick in the starting lineup.
The Cavs didn't have any issue winning a title with Love's defense and they had Irving and Smith starting with him (and it isn't like Thompson is a great defender and James had already started his defensive decline). I think the defense argument is vastly overblown.
This just doesn't make sense. LeBron (particularly Finals LeBron) is offensively miles ahead of Embiid, Simmons and Butler, and Kyrie is about the same offensive threat Joel is. There is just no comparison
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Cavs will trade Love but im thinking Portland or Clippers
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I wouldn't do that trade if I'm the Sixers. Love and Redick in the starting lineup would kill their defense.
Maybe, maybe not, but it would make their offense significantly better and frankly they aren't defending all that well right now anyway.
So you propose a trade to ensure that their defensive doesn't get better. Coach Brown is all about defense, pace and space. Love only fits only one of those criteria. The Sixers are trying to compete for championships which requires solid defense. They'd easily get bounced in the 2nd round again with Love and Redick in the starting lineup.
The Cavs didn't have any issue winning a title with Love's defense and they had Irving and Smith starting with him (and it isn't like Thompson is a great defender and James had already started his defensive decline). I think the defense argument is vastly overblown. If the Sixers win a title it will be because of their offense and the match-up problems a monster like Embiid is in the post and a gigantic point guard like Simmons causes (along with Butler's defense on the opposing great wings like James, Leonard, etc.). But in order for that to really work, they need the floor spacing that Love and Redick provide. Offense quite simply is far more important to winning basketball then defense in the modern game. You have to be able to hit 3 point shots or you aren't going to play effective winning basketball in the postseason.
The Cavs won 1 of 4 finals against GSW due to Lebron's greatness. If they had better defender's they might have won more. Besides the poor defense, you ignore that Love is 30 with a big, long contract and quite injury prone. There is also no guarantee that Butler won't be a 1 year rental. If I'm the Sixers all things considered, I much prefer Chandler to Love.
The Sixers should save their ~20M in cap space for the offseason. I expect there to be some nice players available at the trade deadline and they still have their room exception.
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I wouldn't do that trade if I'm the Sixers. Love and Redick in the starting lineup would kill their defense.
Maybe, maybe not, but it would make their offense significantly better and frankly they aren't defending all that well right now anyway.
So you propose a trade to ensure that their defensive doesn't get better. Coach Brown is all about defense, pace and space. Love only fits only one of those criteria. The Sixers are trying to compete for championships which requires solid defense. They'd easily get bounced in the 2nd round again with Love and Redick in the starting lineup.
The Cavs didn't have any issue winning a title with Love's defense and they had Irving and Smith starting with him (and it isn't like Thompson is a great defender and James had already started his defensive decline). I think the defense argument is vastly overblown. If the Sixers win a title it will be because of their offense and the match-up problems a monster like Embiid is in the post and a gigantic point guard like Simmons causes (along with Butler's defense on the opposing great wings like James, Leonard, etc.). But in order for that to really work, they need the floor spacing that Love and Redick provide. Offense quite simply is far more important to winning basketball then defense in the modern game. You have to be able to hit 3 point shots or you aren't going to play effective winning basketball in the postseason.
The Cavs won 1 of 4 finals against GSW due to Lebron's greatness. If they had better defender's they might have won more. Besides the poor defense, you ignore that Love is 30 with a big, long contract and quite injury prone. There is also no guarantee that Butler won't be a 1 year rental. If I'm the Sixers all things considered, I much prefer Chandler to Love.
The Sixers should save their ~20M in cap space for the offseason. I expect there to be some nice players available at the trade deadline and they still have their room exception.
If they did that trade and Butler leaves, they will still have max cap room, or at least very close to it as they would only have Love, Embiid, Simmons, Smith, Shamet, Bolden, and Korver's buy out on the books. They could also keep McConnell's cap hold on the books, have their 1st round pick (if they get Sacto's that would complicate it), and could then just have the empty roster cap charges of like 800k to get to the minimum roster. That leaves them max or just about max cap room depending on what the cap actually ends up being. And that essentially means they acquire Love for Fultz, which I think is a net gain for a team trying to compete for a title (and also is a net gain the other way for a team that is rebuilding).
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I wouldn't do that trade if I'm the Sixers. Love and Redick in the starting lineup would kill their defense.
Maybe, maybe not, but it would make their offense significantly better and frankly they aren't defending all that well right now anyway.
So you propose a trade to ensure that their defensive doesn't get better. Coach Brown is all about defense, pace and space. Love only fits only one of those criteria. The Sixers are trying to compete for championships which requires solid defense. They'd easily get bounced in the 2nd round again with Love and Redick in the starting lineup.
The Cavs didn't have any issue winning a title with Love's defense and they had Irving and Smith starting with him (and it isn't like Thompson is a great defender and James had already started his defensive decline). I think the defense argument is vastly overblown. If the Sixers win a title it will be because of their offense and the match-up problems a monster like Embiid is in the post and a gigantic point guard like Simmons causes (along with Butler's defense on the opposing great wings like James, Leonard, etc.). But in order for that to really work, they need the floor spacing that Love and Redick provide. Offense quite simply is far more important to winning basketball then defense in the modern game. You have to be able to hit 3 point shots or you aren't going to play effective winning basketball in the postseason.
The Cavs won 1 of 4 finals against GSW due to Lebron's greatness. If they had better defender's they might have won more. Besides the poor defense, you ignore that Love is 30 with a big, long contract and quite injury prone. There is also no guarantee that Butler won't be a 1 year rental. If I'm the Sixers all things considered, I much prefer Chandler to Love.
The Sixers should save their ~20M in cap space for the offseason. I expect there to be some nice players available at the trade deadline and they still have their room exception.
If they did that trade and Butler leaves, they will still have max cap room, or at least very close to it as they would only have Love, Embiid, Simmons, Smith, Shamet, Bolden, and Korver's buy out on the books. They could also keep McConnell's cap hold on the books, have their 1st round pick (if they get Sacto's that would complicate it), and could then just have the empty roster cap charges of like 800k to get to the minimum roster. That leaves them max or just about max cap room depending on what the cap actually ends up being. And that essentially means they acquire Love for Fultz, which I think is a net gain for a team trying to compete for a title (and also is a net gain the other way for a team that is rebuilding).
You do realize Love is injured yet again. 31 year old Love at $30M per season for 4 seasons is not something any team should want.
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Huge contract going be hard to move
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I don't think this helps either team. Also don't see the 76ers making any more major moves
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I wouldn't do that trade if I'm the Sixers. Love and Redick in the starting lineup would kill their defense.
Maybe, maybe not, but it would make their offense significantly better and frankly they aren't defending all that well right now anyway.
So you propose a trade to ensure that their defensive doesn't get better. Coach Brown is all about defense, pace and space. Love only fits only one of those criteria. The Sixers are trying to compete for championships which requires solid defense. They'd easily get bounced in the 2nd round again with Love and Redick in the starting lineup.
The Cavs didn't have any issue winning a title with Love's defense and they had Irving and Smith starting with him (and it isn't like Thompson is a great defender and James had already started his defensive decline). I think the defense argument is vastly overblown. If the Sixers win a title it will be because of their offense and the match-up problems a monster like Embiid is in the post and a gigantic point guard like Simmons causes (along with Butler's defense on the opposing great wings like James, Leonard, etc.). But in order for that to really work, they need the floor spacing that Love and Redick provide. Offense quite simply is far more important to winning basketball then defense in the modern game. You have to be able to hit 3 point shots or you aren't going to play effective winning basketball in the postseason.
The Cavs won 1 of 4 finals against GSW due to Lebron's greatness. If they had better defender's they might have won more. Besides the poor defense, you ignore that Love is 30 with a big, long contract and quite injury prone. There is also no guarantee that Butler won't be a 1 year rental. If I'm the Sixers all things considered, I much prefer Chandler to Love.
The Sixers should save their ~20M in cap space for the offseason. I expect there to be some nice players available at the trade deadline and they still have their room exception.
If they did that trade and Butler leaves, they will still have max cap room, or at least very close to it as they would only have Love, Embiid, Simmons, Smith, Shamet, Bolden, and Korver's buy out on the books. They could also keep McConnell's cap hold on the books, have their 1st round pick (if they get Sacto's that would complicate it), and could then just have the empty roster cap charges of like 800k to get to the minimum roster. That leaves them max or just about max cap room depending on what the cap actually ends up being. And that essentially means they acquire Love for Fultz, which I think is a net gain for a team trying to compete for a title (and also is a net gain the other way for a team that is rebuilding).
You do realize Love is injured yet again. 31 year old Love at $30M per season for 4 seasons is not something any team should want.
apparently my opening post in the thread wasn't good enough for you to know my thoughts about Love being injured
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I wouldn't do that trade if I'm the Sixers. Love and Redick in the starting lineup would kill their defense.
Maybe, maybe not, but it would make their offense significantly better and frankly they aren't defending all that well right now anyway.
So you propose a trade to ensure that their defensive doesn't get better. Coach Brown is all about defense, pace and space. Love only fits only one of those criteria. The Sixers are trying to compete for championships which requires solid defense. They'd easily get bounced in the 2nd round again with Love and Redick in the starting lineup.
The Cavs didn't have any issue winning a title with Love's defense and they had Irving and Smith starting with him (and it isn't like Thompson is a great defender and James had already started his defensive decline). I think the defense argument is vastly overblown. If the Sixers win a title it will be because of their offense and the match-up problems a monster like Embiid is in the post and a gigantic point guard like Simmons causes (along with Butler's defense on the opposing great wings like James, Leonard, etc.). But in order for that to really work, they need the floor spacing that Love and Redick provide. Offense quite simply is far more important to winning basketball then defense in the modern game. You have to be able to hit 3 point shots or you aren't going to play effective winning basketball in the postseason.
The Cavs won 1 of 4 finals against GSW due to Lebron's greatness. If they had better defender's they might have won more. Besides the poor defense, you ignore that Love is 30 with a big, long contract and quite injury prone. There is also no guarantee that Butler won't be a 1 year rental. If I'm the Sixers all things considered, I much prefer Chandler to Love.
The Sixers should save their ~20M in cap space for the offseason. I expect there to be some nice players available at the trade deadline and they still have their room exception.
If they did that trade and Butler leaves, they will still have max cap room, or at least very close to it as they would only have Love, Embiid, Simmons, Smith, Shamet, Bolden, and Korver's buy out on the books. They could also keep McConnell's cap hold on the books, have their 1st round pick (if they get Sacto's that would complicate it), and could then just have the empty roster cap charges of like 800k to get to the minimum roster. That leaves them max or just about max cap room depending on what the cap actually ends up being. And that essentially means they acquire Love for Fultz, which I think is a net gain for a team trying to compete for a title (and also is a net gain the other way for a team that is rebuilding).
You do realize Love is injured yet again. 31 year old Love at $30M per season for 4 seasons is not something any team should want.
apparently my opening post in the thread wasn't good enough for you to know my thoughts about Love being injured
The point is Love is on his way to a 3rd straight season of missing more than 20 games. That's not someone any team should invest 4yr/120M into.
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I wouldn't do that trade if I'm the Sixers. Love and Redick in the starting lineup would kill their defense.
Maybe, maybe not, but it would make their offense significantly better and frankly they aren't defending all that well right now anyway.
So you propose a trade to ensure that their defensive doesn't get better. Coach Brown is all about defense, pace and space. Love only fits only one of those criteria. The Sixers are trying to compete for championships which requires solid defense. They'd easily get bounced in the 2nd round again with Love and Redick in the starting lineup.
The Cavs didn't have any issue winning a title with Love's defense and they had Irving and Smith starting with him (and it isn't like Thompson is a great defender and James had already started his defensive decline). I think the defense argument is vastly overblown. If the Sixers win a title it will be because of their offense and the match-up problems a monster like Embiid is in the post and a gigantic point guard like Simmons causes (along with Butler's defense on the opposing great wings like James, Leonard, etc.). But in order for that to really work, they need the floor spacing that Love and Redick provide. Offense quite simply is far more important to winning basketball then defense in the modern game. You have to be able to hit 3 point shots or you aren't going to play effective winning basketball in the postseason.
The Cavs won 1 of 4 finals against GSW due to Lebron's greatness. If they had better defender's they might have won more. Besides the poor defense, you ignore that Love is 30 with a big, long contract and quite injury prone. There is also no guarantee that Butler won't be a 1 year rental. If I'm the Sixers all things considered, I much prefer Chandler to Love.
The Sixers should save their ~20M in cap space for the offseason. I expect there to be some nice players available at the trade deadline and they still have their room exception.
If they did that trade and Butler leaves, they will still have max cap room, or at least very close to it as they would only have Love, Embiid, Simmons, Smith, Shamet, Bolden, and Korver's buy out on the books. They could also keep McConnell's cap hold on the books, have their 1st round pick (if they get Sacto's that would complicate it), and could then just have the empty roster cap charges of like 800k to get to the minimum roster. That leaves them max or just about max cap room depending on what the cap actually ends up being. And that essentially means they acquire Love for Fultz, which I think is a net gain for a team trying to compete for a title (and also is a net gain the other way for a team that is rebuilding).
You do realize Love is injured yet again. 31 year old Love at $30M per season for 4 seasons is not something any team should want.
apparently my opening post in the thread wasn't good enough for you to know my thoughts about Love being injured
The point is Love is on his way to a 3rd straight season of missing more than 20 games. That's not someone any team should invest 4yr/120M into.
you mean like a team that invested in Embiid. And for the record, Butler has played in more than 67 games twice in his career and is currently nursing a nagging injury from his off season surgery.
Apparently their injuries are ok, but not Love's. Seems strange to me.
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Love to Celtics ...we need scoring.
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I wouldn't do that trade if I'm the Sixers. Love and Redick in the starting lineup would kill their defense.
Maybe, maybe not, but it would make their offense significantly better and frankly they aren't defending all that well right now anyway.
So you propose a trade to ensure that their defensive doesn't get better. Coach Brown is all about defense, pace and space. Love only fits only one of those criteria. The Sixers are trying to compete for championships which requires solid defense. They'd easily get bounced in the 2nd round again with Love and Redick in the starting lineup.
The Cavs didn't have any issue winning a title with Love's defense and they had Irving and Smith starting with him (and it isn't like Thompson is a great defender and James had already started his defensive decline). I think the defense argument is vastly overblown. If the Sixers win a title it will be because of their offense and the match-up problems a monster like Embiid is in the post and a gigantic point guard like Simmons causes (along with Butler's defense on the opposing great wings like James, Leonard, etc.). But in order for that to really work, they need the floor spacing that Love and Redick provide. Offense quite simply is far more important to winning basketball then defense in the modern game. You have to be able to hit 3 point shots or you aren't going to play effective winning basketball in the postseason.
The Cavs won 1 of 4 finals against GSW due to Lebron's greatness. If they had better defender's they might have won more. Besides the poor defense, you ignore that Love is 30 with a big, long contract and quite injury prone. There is also no guarantee that Butler won't be a 1 year rental. If I'm the Sixers all things considered, I much prefer Chandler to Love.
The Sixers should save their ~20M in cap space for the offseason. I expect there to be some nice players available at the trade deadline and they still have their room exception.
If they did that trade and Butler leaves, they will still have max cap room, or at least very close to it as they would only have Love, Embiid, Simmons, Smith, Shamet, Bolden, and Korver's buy out on the books. They could also keep McConnell's cap hold on the books, have their 1st round pick (if they get Sacto's that would complicate it), and could then just have the empty roster cap charges of like 800k to get to the minimum roster. That leaves them max or just about max cap room depending on what the cap actually ends up being. And that essentially means they acquire Love for Fultz, which I think is a net gain for a team trying to compete for a title (and also is a net gain the other way for a team that is rebuilding).
You do realize Love is injured yet again. 31 year old Love at $30M per season for 4 seasons is not something any team should want.
apparently my opening post in the thread wasn't good enough for you to know my thoughts about Love being injured
The point is Love is on his way to a 3rd straight season of missing more than 20 games. That's not someone any team should invest 4yr/120M into.
you mean like a team that invested in Embiid. And for the record, Butler has played in more than 67 games twice in his career and is currently nursing a nagging injury from his off season surgery.
Apparently their injuries are ok, but not Love's. Seems strange to me.
Embiid is 24 and having an MVP caliber season. The Sixers also were able to put some injury protection into his contract. Butler is a top 15 player and will slot in as their #2 option. There is certainly a concern with him especially due to Thibs overuse of players. However IMO it is worth the risk. Love isn't close to Butler in performance. They'd be paying 4yr/120M for a #4 option. They should be able to get a #4 option for significantly cheaper than that who is less of an injury risk and most likely plays better defense than Love.
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Love to Celtics ...we need scoring.
Who are you going to trade for him?