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Re: 2017-18 NBA Season
« Reply #630 on: November 29, 2017, 10:49:39 PM »

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Looks like the Celtics aren't the best team in the East anymore.

Most fans would wait till we fell into second place, didn't have the best defense, weren't leading the conference in point differential etc, but by all means, hot take away!
Its not at all unreasonable to believe the Celtics arent the best team in the East, nor is it a hot take.

Cleveland is more talented than us and SHOULD  be better than us. the hot take would be to believe that a 17 game win streak DID make us the best team in the East.

We arent as good as our 18-4 record says and when the inevitable slump comes and we lose a couple game we wont be as bad as the doomsday gang will say we are then either.

No, it's pretty unreasonable. Right now we're clearly the better team, and that's reflected in our better record on an essentially identical strength of schedule and more injuries to significant rotation players. Maybe that changes once IT comes back (given that Gordy is out; we're clearly better fully healthy), but it's unequivocally not the case right now.

People are exaggerating Cleveland's win streak, because they fail to realize that it's largely due to a soft schedule. In their 9 game win streak, they've played only 2 top 10 teams and 4 bottom 10 teams. Put another way, they've played 7 lottery teams and only 2 currently playoff-bound teams.

Hell, other than a few key games (such as Detroit and Philly), Cleveland hasn't looked all that good in their run. Their defense is still atrocious, and they still rely on Lebron playing major minutes at 33 years old to win games.
Which team has been better over the first quarter of the season? celtics by a mile.

Which team is actually better? the Cavs. They have Lebron. The Celtics dont.

Do they have the better team?

It's very bizarre to me that Celtics fan would be in a rush to call another team the better team when ever measure you could use says the Celtics are a better team.
How is it rushing?

I dont get this. We have been better than them so far, but thats unlikely to continue. Are the Pistons better than them too?

Last year, according to most metrics we were right there with Cleveland. In reality, we werent they were way better.

With Hayward Im all aboard, but without hayward, our talent level just isnt that high. Im not gonna overreact to a fast start. Is Houston better than Golden State? is Philly better than Washington and Milwaukee? I dont think so. I dont think a Leonardless Spurs team is actually the 3rd best team in the West.

Remember, last year our differentials with Cleveland were very close and we had more wins then them. But guess what? Cleveland was a lot better. When they wanted to crush us, they crushed us. Thus far weve been quite lucky in winning close games and with our opponents missing shots they typically make. This wont continue. Unless, of course, you think we are gonna win ~67 games.

To answer your questions yes I think philly is better than Milwaukee and Washington. I don't think Houston is better than golden state but they are pretty close. I also just feel like Hayward would be back if we made it far enough to play them in playoffs. Cleveland also has some of the oldest players in the league that may be warm down later in the year based on how lue runs them into the ground. We should continue to get better from our young and improving players over the next 6 months.

Re: 2017-18 NBA Season
« Reply #631 on: November 29, 2017, 10:56:54 PM »

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Looks like the Celtics aren't the best team in the East anymore.

Most fans would wait till we fell into second place, didn't have the best defense, weren't leading the conference in point differential etc, but by all means, hot take away!
Its not at all unreasonable to believe the Celtics arent the best team in the East, nor is it a hot take.

Cleveland is more talented than us and SHOULD  be better than us. the hot take would be to believe that a 17 game win streak DID make us the best team in the East.

We arent as good as our 18-4 record says and when the inevitable slump comes and we lose a couple game we wont be as bad as the doomsday gang will say we are then either.

No, it's pretty unreasonable. Right now we're clearly the better team, and that's reflected in our better record on an essentially identical strength of schedule and more injuries to significant rotation players. Maybe that changes once IT comes back (given that Gordy is out; we're clearly better fully healthy), but it's unequivocally not the case right now.

People are exaggerating Cleveland's win streak, because they fail to realize that it's largely due to a soft schedule. In their 9 game win streak, they've played only 2 top 10 teams and 4 bottom 10 teams. Put another way, they've played 7 lottery teams and only 2 currently playoff-bound teams.

Hell, other than a few key games (such as Detroit and Philly), Cleveland hasn't looked all that good in their run. Their defense is still atrocious, and they still rely on Lebron playing major minutes at 33 years old to win games.
Which team has been better over the first quarter of the season? celtics by a mile.

Which team is actually better? the Cavs. They have Lebron. The Celtics dont.

The question is right now in this moment in time. It's hard to argue that right now Cleveland is the better team. I think the majority of people would take Boston in a 7 game series right now, which is ultimately what we're talking about.

Re: 2017-18 NBA Season
« Reply #632 on: December 01, 2017, 06:47:00 AM »

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Looks like the Celtics aren't the best team in the East anymore.

Most fans would wait till we fell into second place, didn't have the best defense, weren't leading the conference in point differential etc, but by all means, hot take away!
Its not at all unreasonable to believe the Celtics arent the best team in the East, nor is it a hot take.

Cleveland is more talented than us and SHOULD  be better than us. the hot take would be to believe that a 17 game win streak DID make us the best team in the East.

We arent as good as our 18-4 record says and when the inevitable slump comes and we lose a couple game we wont be as bad as the doomsday gang will say we are then either.

No, it's pretty unreasonable. Right now we're clearly the better team, and that's reflected in our better record on an essentially identical strength of schedule and more injuries to significant rotation players. Maybe that changes once IT comes back (given that Gordy is out; we're clearly better fully healthy), but it's unequivocally not the case right now.

People are exaggerating Cleveland's win streak, because they fail to realize that it's largely due to a soft schedule. In their 9 game win streak, they've played only 2 top 10 teams and 4 bottom 10 teams. Put another way, they've played 7 lottery teams and only 2 currently playoff-bound teams.

Hell, other than a few key games (such as Detroit and Philly), Cleveland hasn't looked all that good in their run. Their defense is still atrocious, and they still rely on Lebron playing major minutes at 33 years old to win games.
Which team has been better over the first quarter of the season? celtics by a mile.

Which team is actually better? the Cavs. They have Lebron. The Celtics dont.

The question is right now in this moment in time. It's hard to argue that right now Cleveland is the better team. I think the majority of people would take Boston in a 7 game series right now, which is ultimately what we're talking about.
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Re: 2017-18 NBA Season
« Reply #633 on: December 01, 2017, 09:49:49 PM »

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Re: 2017-18 NBA Season
« Reply #634 on: December 01, 2017, 10:20:52 PM »

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So the Pistons lose by 18 to the Wizards without Wall.  I'm having trouble considering them a serious playoff threat. 

Re: 2017-18 NBA Season
« Reply #635 on: December 01, 2017, 10:25:25 PM »

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So the Pistons lose by 18 to the Wizards without Wall.  I'm having trouble considering them a serious playoff threat.

They're pretty much the same as last year, and should be healthy in the playoffs, right?

The Celtics will prob be better than last year in the playoffs.

The Bucks and the Pistons are most likely to be the most improved teams in the ECF. If MIL gets D. Jordan to match with Giannis, Bledsoe, and Jabari, watch out.

Re: 2017-18 NBA Season
« Reply #636 on: December 01, 2017, 10:32:43 PM »

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So the Pistons lose by 18 to the Wizards without Wall.  I'm having trouble considering them a serious playoff threat.

They're pretty much the same as last year, and should be healthy in the playoffs, right?

The Celtics will prob be better than last year in the playoffs.

The Bucks and the Pistons are most likely to be the most improved teams in the ECF. If MIL gets D. Jordan to match with Giannis, Bledsoe, and Jabari, watch out.

Bucks will be the best rebounding team in the league, but their shooting have left much to be desired and their perimeter defense is one of the worst in the league.

Re: 2017-18 NBA Season
« Reply #637 on: December 01, 2017, 10:33:16 PM »

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Re: 2017-18 NBA Season
« Reply #638 on: December 01, 2017, 10:59:41 PM »

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So the Pistons lose by 18 to the Wizards without Wall.  I'm having trouble considering them a serious playoff threat.

They're pretty much the same as last year, and should be healthy in the playoffs, right?

The Celtics will prob be better than last year in the playoffs.

The Bucks and the Pistons are most likely to be the most improved teams in the ECF. If MIL gets D. Jordan to match with Giannis, Bledsoe, and Jabari, watch out.
Poor wording.  I meant to specifically to question the Pistons as a playoff threat.  The Bucks with Jordon don't concern me.  He'd clog the paint for Giannis.  Jabari is a lousy defender and he's combing back from ACL surgery. 

Re: 2017-18 NBA Season
« Reply #639 on: December 01, 2017, 11:25:59 PM »

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Our poor resident misunderstood "superstar" demarcus with another innefficient meaningless double double in a loss.


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Re: 2017-18 NBA Season
« Reply #640 on: December 01, 2017, 11:55:14 PM »

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Can't believe that no one has mentioned Donovan Mitchell's 40 point game, the guy is a such a stud, could easily be the best player in the draft. Denver really screwed the pooch on that one considering he was their pick and the guard position is their weakest along with their defence.

Re: 2017-18 NBA Season
« Reply #641 on: December 02, 2017, 12:10:44 AM »

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Can't believe that no one has mentioned Donovan Mitchell's 40 point game, the guy is a such a stud, could easily be the best player in the draft. Denver really screwed the pooch on that one considering he was their pick and the guard position is their weakest along with their defence.
Poor trade by Denver but they do have Harris and Murray.  What about the Pistons choosing Kennard over Mitchell?   

Re: 2017-18 NBA Season
« Reply #642 on: December 02, 2017, 12:20:13 AM »

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Our poor resident misunderstood "superstar" demarcus with another innefficient meaningless double double in a loss.
Didn't see the game but doesn't look like Cousins was to blame based on the box score.  Looks like Rondo had a good night 13/11/8 on good shooting.   

Re: 2017-18 NBA Season
« Reply #643 on: December 02, 2017, 12:49:37 AM »

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Can't believe that no one has mentioned Donovan Mitchell's 40 point game, the guy is a such a stud, could easily be the best player in the draft. Denver really screwed the pooch on that one considering he was their pick and the guard position is their weakest along with their defence.

Yep. Didn't they trade the pick that became Gobert to Utah as well? Huge Mitchell fan (Louisville) and think he's going to be really good, but I'd take Tatum all day.

Re: 2017-18 NBA Season
« Reply #644 on: December 02, 2017, 01:09:35 AM »

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Can't believe that no one has mentioned Donovan Mitchell's 40 point game, the guy is a such a stud, could easily be the best player in the draft. Denver really screwed the pooch on that one considering he was their pick and the guard position is their weakest along with their defence.

Yep. Didn't they trade the pick that became Gobert to Utah as well? Huge Mitchell fan (Louisville) and think he's going to be really good, but I'd take Tatum all day.

Straight into the ROY conversation. He will put up 20 shots every game now. Utah had been grooming Hood to be their primary wing scorer, but Mitchell looks like a Vet.

Interesting to see what they do with Exum now..
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