CelticsStrong
Other Discussions => Games / Gambling / Fantasy Sports => Off Topic => CelticsStrong Draft => Topic started by: nickagneta on September 12, 2013, 12:47:34 PM
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Here are the rosters of eligible teams:
EASTERN CONFERENCE
Boston
Guards: Kyrie Irving, Evan Fournier, Isaiah Thomas, Patric Beverley, Kent Bazemore, Gordon Haywood,
Forwards:Pau Gasol, Danilo Gallinari, Corey Brewer, Terrence Jones, Darrell Arthur,
Centers: Jonas Valanciunas, Pero Antic
Coach: Gregg Popovich
Brooklyn
Guards: Russell Westbrook, Manu Ginobili, Tyreke Evans, Pablo Prigioni, Jodie Meeks
Forwards: Kahwi Leonard, J.J. Hickson, Kris Humphries, Matt Bonner, Mason Plumlee
Centers: Kosta Koufos, Nerlens Noel, Steven Adams
Coach : Doc Rivers
Philadelphia
Guards: Stephen Curry, Mo Williams, Cory Joseph, C.J. McCollum, Marquis Teague, Jamaal Franklin
Forwards: Derrick Favors, Harrison Barnes, Jimmy Butler, Earl Clark, Victor Claver
Centers: Demarcus Cousins, Kendrick Perkins
Coach: Mike Krzyzewski
Chicago
Guards: Jrue Holiday, Danny Green, J.R. Smith, Greivis Vasquez, Nate Robinson
Forwards: David Lee, Shawn Marion, Brandon Bass, Chris Copeland, Giannis Antetokounmpo
Centers: Tyson Chandler, Brandan Wright, Andris Biedrins
Coach: Phil Jackson
Detroit
Guards: Bradley Beal, Eric Bledsoe, Dion Waiters, Trey Burke, Norris Cole
Forwards: Anthony Davis, Al-Farouq Aminu, Otto Porter, Sergey Karasev
Centers: Andre Drummond, Bismack Biyombo, Greg Oden, Gorgui Dieng
Coach: Brad Stevens
Milwaukee
Guards: Mike Conley, J.J. Redick, Jerryd Bayless, Wayne Ellington, Willie Green
Forwards: Paul George, Ryan Anderson, Trevor Ariza, Reggie Evans, Alonzo Gee
Centers: Emeka Okafor, Greg Smith, Tyler Zeller
Coach: Marc Jackson
Miami
Guards: Tony Parker, D.J. Augustin, Andre Miller, Alexey Shved, Anthony Morrow, Lance Stephenson
Forwards: Chris Bosh, Chandler Parsons, John Salmons, Omri Casspi
Centers: Samuel Dalembert, Kevin Seraphin, Tiago Splitter
Coach: Alvin Gentry
Orlando
Guards: Kobe Bryant, George Hill, Jarrett Jack, Vince Carter, Sebastian Telfair
Forwards: Paul Millsap, Amar'e Stoudemire, Metta World Peace, Ronnie Brewer, Maurice Harkless,
Centers: Omer Asik, Nick Collison, Aaron Gray
Coach: Eric Spoelstra
Washington
Guards: John Wall, Klay Thompson, Evan Turner, Devin Harris, Wesley Johnson, Gerald Green
Forwards: Tobias Harris, Amir Johnson, Mike Dunleavy, Kyle Singler, Thomas Robinson
Centers: Joakim Noah, Spencer Hawes, Brendan Haywood
Coach: Mike Budenholzer
WESTERN CONFERENCE
San Antonio
Guards: Andre Iguodala, Kemba Walker, Marcus Thornton, Luke Ridnour, Toney Douglas
Forwards: Kevin Love, Danny Granger, Thaddeus Young, Luigi Datome, Donatas Motiejunas, DeMarre Carroll
Centers:JaVale McGee, Cody Zeller
Coach: Rick Carlisle
Memphis
Guards: Chris Paul, Victor Oladipo, Thabo Sefolosha, C.J. Watson, Brian Roberts
Forwards: Ersan Ilyasova, Dorell Wright, Jared Dudley, Chuck Hayes, Dante Cunningham
Centers: Nikola Pekovic, Ivan Johnson, Lavoy Allen
Coach: Stan Van Gundy
Houston
Guards: James Harden, Goran Dragic, Jason Terry, Will Bynum, Derek Fisher, Jimmer Fredette
Forwards: Nicolas Batum, Tayshaun Prince, Boris Diaw, Kenyon Martin, Kenneth Faried
Centers: Marcin Gortat, Nazr Mohammed
Coach: Brian Shaw
Los Angeles Lakers
Guards: Wesley Matthews, Jose Calderon, Jose Barea, Jeremy Lamb, Michael Carter-Williams
Forwards: Dirk Nowitzki, Luc Mbah a Moute, Ed Davis, Quincy Pondexter, Carlos Delfino, Kelly Olynyk
Centers: Marc Gasol, Jermaine O'Neal
Tom Thibodeau
Los Angeles Clippers
Guards: Raymond Felton, Arron Afflalo, Chauncey Billups, Mickael Pietrus, Marquis Daniels
Forwards: Blake Griffin, Rudy Gay,, Steve Novak, Jordan Hill, Drew gooden
Centers: Nikola Vucevic, Myers Leonard, Ronnie Turiaf
Coach: Frank Vogel
Phoenix
Guards: Jeff Teague, O.J. Mayo, Ramon Sessions, Keyon Dooling
Forwards: David West, Matt Barnes, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Jared Sullinger, Mike Miller
Centers: Tim Duncan, Andray Blatche, Chris Andersen, Ryan Hollins
Coach: Rick Adelman,
Portland
Guards: Joe Johnson, Brandon Jennings, Darren Collison, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Jordan Crawford
Forwards: Carmelo Anthony, Andrei Kirilenko, Tristan Thompson, Anthony Bennett, Jason Maxiell
Centers: Andrew Bynum, Enes Kanter, Zaza Pachulia
Coach: Scott Brooks
Denver
Guards: Damian Lillard, Kyle Lowry, Jason Richardson, Leandro Barbosa, Alec Burks
Forwards: Greg Monroe, Wilson Chandler, Anderson Varejao, Martell Webster, Marreese Speights
Centers: Andrew Bogut, Marcus Camby
Coach: Pat Riley
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ITS BOSTON
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Sad, I didn't make the ballot.
BMac and Umlaut Rondo in 2016!
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Sad, I didn't make the ballot.
BMac and Umlaut Rondo in 2016!
I figured if your team made it to the conference semi-finals, you pretty much are a win now team so that would disqualify you. I think that's fair.
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Sad, I didn't make the ballot.
BMac and Umlaut Rondo in 2016!
I figured if your team made it to the conference semi-finals, you pretty much are a win now team so that would disqualify you. I think that's fair.
Oh, I clearly don't have the youngsters to mount a real campaign for TOTF. Those two are the only ones on my roster that might amount to something special, I think.
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Boston, Philly, and of course Detroit jump out at me in the East. Washington too?
None of the West teams really grab me.
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I wouldn't consider the Bucks to be a front runner for this award, but they shouldn't be ignored either.
Obviously they don't have the depth of young talent a team like Detroit or Philly do, but Paul George (23) and Mike Conley (26-at start of season) aren't exactly old, particularly in the case of George. That stands out to me as a pairing that could be really good together for a long time. Add in Tyler Zeller and Greg Smith, who will both be in their 2nd season this year, and I think they would have a solid future.
Oh yeah, Ryno is actually only 25 himself.
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Detroit -- a core of Anthony Davis + Anthony Drummond + Bradley Beal along with several young talented supporting pieces to work with them.
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What was the criteria to be eligible. Not saying the Knicks should be a front runner by any means. but a line up consisting of Rubio, Green, Sanders,Lopez and Derrick Williams has no mention? Strange.
With that being said I think it has to be Detroit.
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What was the criteria to be eligible. Not saying the Knicks should be a front runner by any means. but a line up consisting of Rubio, Green, Sanders,Lopez and Derrick Williams has no mention? Strange.
With that being said I think it has to be Detroit.
If your team made it to a conference semi-final then your team was ineligible.
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I think I'm going Detroit here as in 3-4 years they could be 7-8 deep in possible high quality starter talent and 3-4 deep in possible All-Star talent.
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i voted detroit but also like washington for this category
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What's not to like about Boston? 1 top tier prospect, 2 second tier prospects (Hayward, Jonas), promising young bench players (Isaiah Thomas, Patrick Beverley, Fournier, Bazemore, Terrance Jones)
Sleeping on Boston...AGAIN!
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What's not to like about Boston? 1 top tier prospect, 2 second tier prospects (Hayward, Jonas), promising young bench players (Isaiah Thomas, Patrick Beverley, Fournier, Bazemore, Terrance Jones)
Sleeping on Boston...AGAIN!
Detroit has two top tier prospects, two second tier prospects and a boatload of other tier three prospects.
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As much as I think Kyrie will be the best pg on the planet for about 10 years soon, that Detroit is no joke with their young front court depth and size. Solid young backcourt too. I voted Detroit.
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What's not to like about Boston? 1 top tier prospect, 2 second tier prospects (Hayward, Jonas), promising young bench players (Isaiah Thomas, Patrick Beverley, Fournier, Bazemore, Terrance Jones)
Sleeping on Boston...AGAIN!
Detroit has two top tier prospects, two second tier prospects and a boatload of other tier three prospects.
Two first tier (if you buy Drummond whole), 1 second tier, 2 third tier. Hayward/Jonas=Beal>Bledsoe/Waiters
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What's not to like about Boston? 1 top tier prospect, 2 second tier prospects (Hayward, Jonas), promising young bench players (Isaiah Thomas, Patrick Beverley, Fournier, Bazemore, Terrance Jones)
Sleeping on Boston...AGAIN!
no one is saying they don't like Boston. they just like Detroit more, which I agree with
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What's not to like about Boston? 1 top tier prospect, 2 second tier prospects (Hayward, Jonas), promising young bench players (Isaiah Thomas, Patrick Beverley, Fournier, Bazemore, Terrance Jones)
Sleeping on Boston...AGAIN!
I think Boston is the best constructed of the three serious TOTF teams (along with Philly and Detroit). They've got the best complementary pieces, in my mind.
But, outside of Irving, the upside is a little bit lower, I think.
Interesting that you didn't include Gallo in your analysis, IP. He's only 25 y.o.
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What was the criteria to be eligible. Not saying the Knicks should be a front runner by any means. but a line up consisting of Rubio, Green, Sanders,Lopez and Derrick Williams has no mention? Strange.
With that being said I think it has to be Detroit.
If your team made it to a conference semi-final then your team was ineligible.
Gotcha. Thanks!
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What's not to like about Boston? 1 top tier prospect, 2 second tier prospects (Hayward, Jonas), promising young bench players (Isaiah Thomas, Patrick Beverley, Fournier, Bazemore, Terrance Jones)
Sleeping on Boston...AGAIN!
Detroit has two top tier prospects, two second tier prospects and a boatload of other tier three prospects.
Two first tier (if you buy Drummond whole), 1 second tier, 2 third tier. Hayward/Jonas=Beal>Bledsoe/Waiters
I was including Burke as a tier 2 prospect, I think his ceiling is all star Devin Harris, but consistently that level. And even if you didn't buy Drummond whole his ceiling as a player would be hyper athletic Mutumbo.
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What's not to like about Boston? 1 top tier prospect, 2 second tier prospects (Hayward, Jonas), promising young bench players (Isaiah Thomas, Patrick Beverley, Fournier, Bazemore, Terrance Jones)
Sleeping on Boston...AGAIN!
Detroit has two top tier prospects, two second tier prospects and a boatload of other tier three prospects.
Two first tier (if you buy Drummond whole), 1 second tier, 2 third tier. Hayward/Jonas=Beal>Bledsoe/Waiters
I was including Burke as a tier 2 prospect, I think his ceiling is all star Devin Harris, but consistently that level. And even if you didn't buy Drummond whole his ceiling as a player would be hyper athletic Mutumbo.
You're including Burke as tier 2?
Let's do it like this
Tier 1: MVP Caliber player
Tier 2: Perennial All-Star Caliber Player
Tier 3: Fringe 1 or 2 time all-star, above average long-term starter
Tier 4: Average starter, elite role player
Boston's got 1 top tier guy (Irving) and the best prospect of the bunch, Detroit's got 1 top tier guy (Davis)
Detroit's got probably the only tier 2 guy as well (Drummond).
Boston then has 3 tier 3 guys in Hayward, Valanciunas, Gallinari. Honestly, I think Hayward or especially Valanciunas have a really good shot at tier 2, but I get that not everybody is on board with that. Detroit has 1 for sure tier 3 guy in Beal. I'm not high on Bledsoe, but I could see why you'd put him in tier 3.
Tier 4 guys: Isaiah Thomas for sure. I dunno. I'm high on Beverley, Fournier, Thomas, and Jones, but I picked them, so....
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What's not to like about Boston? 1 top tier prospect, 2 second tier prospects (Hayward, Jonas), promising young bench players (Isaiah Thomas, Patrick Beverley, Fournier, Bazemore, Terrance Jones)
Sleeping on Boston...AGAIN!
Detroit has two top tier prospects, two second tier prospects and a boatload of other tier three prospects.
Two first tier (if you buy Drummond whole), 1 second tier, 2 third tier. Hayward/Jonas=Beal>Bledsoe/Waiters
I was including Burke as a tier 2 prospect, I think his ceiling is all star Devin Harris, but consistently that level. And even if you didn't buy Drummond whole his ceiling as a player would be hyper athletic Mutumbo.
You're including Burke as tier 2?
Let's do it like this
Tier 1: MVP Caliber player
Tier 2: Perennial All-Star Caliber Player
Tier 3: Fringe 1 or 2 time all-star, above average long-term starter
Tier 4: Average starter, elite role player
I still have Drummond in tier 1, even with this ranking and so that automatically puts Detroit in a class above Detroit. As for tier 3, Burke, Waitors, Bledsoe, Beal all belong in that category, and if you can make the Hayward argument for tier 2 then the Beal argument can be made also.
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Hopefully this doesn't matter, but I actually just clicked on the wrong team accidentally. Meant to vote for Detroit. Stupid me.
IMHO, Detroit should win this in a land slide.
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Hopefully this doesn't matter, but I actually just clicked on the wrong team accidentally. Meant to vote for Detroit. Stupid me.
IMHO, Detroit should win this in a land slide.
You just made that Chicago vote right?
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What's not to like about Boston? 1 top tier prospect, 2 second tier prospects (Hayward, Jonas), promising young bench players (Isaiah Thomas, Patrick Beverley, Fournier, Bazemore, Terrance Jones)
Sleeping on Boston...AGAIN!
Detroit has two top tier prospects, two second tier prospects and a boatload of other tier three prospects.
Two first tier (if you buy Drummond whole), 1 second tier, 2 third tier. Hayward/Jonas=Beal>Bledsoe/Waiters
I was including Burke as a tier 2 prospect, I think his ceiling is all star Devin Harris, but consistently that level. And even if you didn't buy Drummond whole his ceiling as a player would be hyper athletic Mutumbo.
You're including Burke as tier 2?
Let's do it like this
Tier 1: MVP Caliber player
Tier 2: Perennial All-Star Caliber Player
Tier 3: Fringe 1 or 2 time all-star, above average long-term starter
Tier 4: Average starter, elite role player
I still have Drummond in tier 1, even with this ranking and so that automatically puts Detroit in a class above Detroit. As for tier 3, Burke, Waitors, Bledsoe, Beal all belong in that category, and if you can make the Hayward argument for tier 2 then the Beal argument can be made also.
I'm really disappointed that you took my Joss Whedon comment to heart like this. I know you can hide behind 'opinion' and 'uncertainty regarding young players' and 'a genuine love for Andre Drummond nobody really understands', but we all can see this for what it is; a thinly veiled personal attack because I made fun of Joss Whedon.
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Hopefully this doesn't matter, but I actually just clicked on the wrong team accidentally. Meant to vote for Detroit. Stupid me.
IMHO, Detroit should win this in a land slide.
You just made that Chicago vote right?
Yes
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Hopefully this doesn't matter, but I actually just clicked on the wrong team accidentally. Meant to vote for Detroit. Stupid me.
IMHO, Detroit should win this in a land slide.
You just made that Chicago vote right?
Yes
Okay I will take that into consideration when I announce a winner