Who You Got with the 14th Pick? (Poll added)

[RPGenerate]

Yeah, this draft is gonna be crazy. Every mock seems to have us taking someone else. I've seen us taking Cole Anthony, Jalen Smith, Aaron Nesmith, Theo Maledon, Precious Achiwua, and even Aleksej Pokusevski at 14.

This draft will be crazy from not only the Cs but everyone,

The general main stream consensus is that Ball, Edwards, and Wiseman are the top three picks but legit members of the draft community have other players ranked higher.

The early draft buzz is that both GS and Minn want to trade down and that Okongwu has surpasses Wiseman on some teams boards as the best big.

As someone who loves the draft I can confidently predict chaos. This draft is destine to have some real head scratching picks. This is where I am confident in DAs ability to react and make a smart choice.

Wiseman will not go top 3.  He may drop out of top 10.  He is JaVale McGee.  His day has passed.

I rate Precious Achiuwa higher, and hope the Celtics strongly consider drafting him.  I like Precious' long term future over Okongwu too, my hot take. He has some much more range on the offensive end than Okongwu.  Perfect swing 4-5 guy.  Only worry his foul shooting percentage.

I disagree strongly on Wiseman, but I agree on Achiuwa and Okongwu. I rate them pretty similarly as prospects. I think Achiuwa will be able to play on the perimeter a little more than Okongwu, but I think Okongwu will be a better team defender than Achiuwa.

I'm curious why you think that about Wiseman? In a few games, I think he's already shown more post moves and better shooting touch than Javale McGee has right now. I don't think anyone has seen enough Wiseman possessions to be able to predict confidently his defensive rotations or his ability to run the offense from the top of the key in DHOs. But I see more ability in him than a player like McGee.

I think he is at least a comparable prospect to DeAndre Ayton, who was a poor defender in college and shied away from contact inside leading to low free throw numbers. I think he is at least a Hassan Whiteside level of player in the pros.

The reason Okongwu is ranked higher is that he at least makes his FTs

Achiuwa has a broken jump shot . He also shot at 59 percent from the FT line

Tbh I don't think Celts take Achiuwa at 14. And instead go for Jalen Smith or Xavier Tillman

I'd be happy with Jalen Smith at 14. Seems to be in a similar vein to 3-D big men like Turner and Ibaka.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Yeah, this draft is gonna be crazy. Every mock seems to have us taking someone else. I've seen us taking Cole Anthony, Jalen Smith, Aaron Nesmith, Theo Maledon, Precious Achiwua, and even Aleksej Pokusevski at 14.

This draft will be crazy from not only the Cs but everyone,

The general main stream consensus is that Ball, Edwards, and Wiseman are the top three picks but legit members of the draft community have other players ranked higher.

The early draft buzz is that both GS and Minn want to trade down and that Okongwu has surpasses Wiseman on some teams boards as the best big.

As someone who loves the draft I can confidently predict chaos. This draft is destine to have some real head scratching picks. This is where I am confident in DAs ability to react and make a smart choice.

Wiseman will not go top 3.  He may drop out of top 10.  He is JaVale McGee.  His day has passed.

I rate Precious Achiuwa higher, and hope the Celtics strongly consider drafting him.  I like Precious' long term future over Okongwu too, my hot take. He has some much more range on the offensive end than Okongwu.  Perfect swing 4-5 guy.  Only worry his foul shooting percentage.

I disagree strongly on Wiseman, but I agree on Achiuwa and Okongwu. I rate them pretty similarly as prospects. I think Achiuwa will be able to play on the perimeter a little more than Okongwu, but I think Okongwu will be a better team defender than Achiuwa.

I'm curious why you think that about Wiseman? In a few games, I think he's already shown more post moves and better shooting touch than Javale McGee has right now. I don't think anyone has seen enough Wiseman possessions to be able to predict confidently his defensive rotations or his ability to run the offense from the top of the key in DHOs. But I see more ability in him than a player like McGee.

I think he is at least a comparable prospect to DeAndre Ayton, who was a poor defender in college and shied away from contact inside leading to low free throw numbers. I think he is at least a Hassan Whiteside level of player in the pros.

The reason Okongwu is ranked higher is that he at least makes his FTs

Achiuwa has a broken jump shot . He also shot at 59 percent from the FT line

Tbh I don't think Celts take Achiuwa at 14. And instead go for Jalen Smith or Xavier Tillman

I'd be happy with Jalen Smith at 14. Seems to be in a similar vein to 3-D big men like Turner and Ibaka.

I see a ceiling of JaMichael Green. That's a fine prospect, but I'd rather Ainge swing for the fences on an upside guy like Giannis rather than drafting another limited-upside player ala Olynyk.

[footey]

Yeah, this draft is gonna be crazy. Every mock seems to have us taking someone else. I've seen us taking Cole Anthony, Jalen Smith, Aaron Nesmith, Theo Maledon, Precious Achiwua, and even Aleksej Pokusevski at 14.

This draft will be crazy from not only the Cs but everyone,

The general main stream consensus is that Ball, Edwards, and Wiseman are the top three picks but legit members of the draft community have other players ranked higher.

The early draft buzz is that both GS and Minn want to trade down and that Okongwu has surpasses Wiseman on some teams boards as the best big.

As someone who loves the draft I can confidently predict chaos. This draft is destine to have some real head scratching picks. This is where I am confident in DAs ability to react and make a smart choice.

Wiseman will not go top 3.  He may drop out of top 10.  He is JaVale McGee.  His day has passed.

I rate Precious Achiuwa higher, and hope the Celtics strongly consider drafting him.  I like Precious' long term future over Okongwu too, my hot take. He has some much more range on the offensive end than Okongwu.  Perfect swing 4-5 guy.  Only worry his foul shooting percentage.

I disagree strongly on Wiseman, but I agree on Achiuwa and Okongwu. I rate them pretty similarly as prospects. I think Achiuwa will be able to play on the perimeter a little more than Okongwu, but I think Okongwu will be a better team defender than Achiuwa.

I'm curious why you think that about Wiseman? In a few games, I think he's already shown more post moves and better shooting touch than Javale McGee has right now. I don't think anyone has seen enough Wiseman possessions to be able to predict confidently his defensive rotations or his ability to run the offense from the top of the key in DHOs. But I see more ability in him than a player like McGee.

I think he is at least a comparable prospect to DeAndre Ayton, who was a poor defender in college and shied away from contact inside leading to low free throw numbers. I think he is at least a Hassan Whiteside level of player in the pros.

Maybe Whiteside is a better comp than McGee, I will grant you that. But is that any reason to trade up to get him?  I think Ayton has a better feel for the game than Wiseman, especially midrange.  I just see a guy who dunks a lot on lobs, has decent free throw percentage, and is aggressive on the boards. Not a profile of a lottery draft pick in my estimation.  He gets nearly all his points on transition, or screen dunks, or free throws. He has poor hip movement so has little prospect to be multi-position defender.  Contrary to Precious, who actually moves his hips very well.

I would absolutely stunned if Wiseman went top 3 in this draft.  And not surprised if he slipped out of the top 10.

[gift]

My initial impression of Tyrell Terry was that his footspeed will really limit his ability on offense, despite his good shooting and court vision. However, watching him some more I like the way he controls his drives and is very patient playing with space. I think he can eventually do this at the nba level. I'm coming around to him at 14.

I also want Bane, but I'm not sure he'll be there at 26. Perhaps 26 and 30 can move up a few spots to pick Bane if necessary?

[Silas]

I would like to see Aaron Nesmith on the Cs.  Everytime his name would be announced we would here Steven singing Amazing!

[CFAN38]

Interesting quote,


from Brian Robb,

"Danny Ainge says Celtics will likely draft more for specific needs this year."

I have thought for a while that this would be a draft where BPA is kind of out the window. I view the Tiers in this draft as huge. Assuming that Ball, Edwards and Wiseman go top 3 (not a sure thing at all). There isn't a draft order of Hayes, Okongwu, Avdija, Okoro, Hampton, Maxey, Anthony, Haliburton, Vassel, P Williams, and Toppin that would surprise me. I can also see players like Terry, Lewis, Nesmith,J Green,  S Bey, and Achiuwa mixing with that group. With so little difference in talent between these prospects fit becomes key.

My Bad fits
Toppin, will never hold up on D
Nesmith, lacks skill set outside of shooting and over rated on D
Haliburton, great player but not a creator off the dribble and feels to redundant with Smart on offense

[Tr1boy]

Just analyzing some of the players Danny has already interviewed.

Except for one player (Scrubb), the rest from the list had a higher Assist to turnover ratio.  At least higher assist totals compared to turnovers.  Some 1.5 assist to 1 turnover ratio

Unless Danny thinks Terry with 20 pounds is going to be solid defensive player + 3 pt potential .... I could see him draft Terry at 14 and trade him to the Wolves for 17 + 33 or Mavs for 18 + 31.   Nobody really knows what a 20 pound heavier Terry is exactly.  He didn't really shoot or score lights out last season.  But you know has one of those sweet looking jump strokes that should lead him into becoming a very good/reliable 3 pt shooter at the NBA level.  The question is, will he turnout to be a slightly better version of Seth Curry or somewhere in the McCollum/Trey Young lite ceiling instead.   

Scenario 1  (both Tillman and Bane gone by 26)
14: Terry (keep Terry. Backup next season and eventually successor to Walker)
26: Poku (potential)
30: Scrubb (potential)
47: Darling (3 pt specialist)

Scenario 2
17:  Tillman (top level assist to turnover ratio vs all other big players/historically.  Plus defensive player of the year)
18:  Bane  (high assist to turnover ratio.  Impressive 6 rpg game for a F/G.  44 percent 3pt shooter with large sample size)
47:  Darling (40 percent 3 pt shooter with large sample size.  Duncan Robinson/Herro ish type)

scenario 2 trades for 17 and 18th picks
* 14: Terry traded to Wolves for 17th and 33rd picks
* 26, 30, 33:  Traded to Mavs for 18th pick.

given that scenario 1 or 2 are the options to work with. Which would you choose?

[footey]

Interesting quote,


from Brian Robb,

"Danny Ainge says Celtics will likely draft more for specific needs this year."

I have thought for a while that this would be a draft where BPA is kind of out the window. I view the Tiers in this draft as huge. Assuming that Ball, Edwards and Wiseman go top 3 (not a sure thing at all). There isn't a draft order of Hayes, Okongwu, Avdija, Okoro, Hampton, Maxey, Anthony, Haliburton, Vassel, P Williams, and Toppin that would surprise me. I can also see players like Terry, Lewis, Nesmith,J Green,  S Bey, and Achiuwa mixing with that group. With so little difference in talent between these prospects fit becomes key.

My Bad fits
Toppin, will never hold up on D
Nesmith, lacks skill set outside of shooting and over rated on D
Haliburton, great player but not a creator off the dribble and feels to redundant with Smart on offense

Nesmith a "bad fit" After getting spanked by 3 point shooting team?  Really? 

Toppin, I agree.  TL can't get on the floor with Brad and much better defender.

I don't know enough about Haliburton, but seems like he can create off dribble fine, just is so thin has trouble getting position.  I'd be happy with him though.

[footey]

Just analyzing some of the players Danny has already interviewed.

Except for one player (Scrubb), the rest from the list had a higher Assist to turnover ratio.  At least higher assist totals compared to turnovers.  Some 1.5 assist to 1 turnover ratio

Unless Danny thinks Terry with 20 pounds is going to be solid defensive player + 3 pt potential .... I could see him draft Terry at 14 and trade him to the Wolves for 17 + 33 or Mavs for 18 + 31.   Nobody really knows what a 20 pound heavier Terry is exactly.  He didn't really shoot or score lights out last season.  But you know has one of those sweet looking jump strokes that should lead him into becoming a very good/reliable 3 pt shooter at the NBA level.  The question is, will he turnout to be a slightly better version of Seth Curry or somewhere in the McCollum/Trey Young lite ceiling instead.   

Scenario 1  (both Tillman and Bane gone by 26)
14: Terry (keep Terry. Backup next season and eventually successor to Walker)
26: Poku (potential)
30: Scrubb (potential)
47: Darling (3 pt specialist)

Scenario 2
17:  Tillman (top level assist to turnover ratio vs all other big players/historically.  Plus defensive player of the year)
18:  Bane  (high assist to turnover ratio.  Impressive 6 rpg game for a F/G.  44 percent 3pt shooter with large sample size)
47:  Darling (40 percent 3 pt shooter with large sample size.  Duncan Robinson/Herro ish type)

scenario 2 trades for 17 and 18th picks
* 14: Terry traded to Wolves for 17th and 33rd picks
* 26, 30, 33:  Traded to Mavs for 18th pick.

given that scenario 1 or 2 are the options to work with. Which would you choose?

Do you read the mocks, Triboy? Poku won't be around at 26. If we want him, will have to get him at 14, or do some sort of swap of picks. He won't last to 20.

Just because Danny has scheduled to meet with Terry means nothing. We all know he will be taken in 1st round. I'm skeptical that he will be taken in lottery.  To say he could be another Steph Curry is a bit much. Didn't Curry accomplish a lot more in college??

[footey]

Why is no one talking up Isaiah Joe from Arkansas? Elite shooter, probably available end of 1st round.  Probably could plug him in right away for bench scoring next season.

[Tr1boy]

Just analyzing some of the players Danny has already interviewed.

Except for one player (Scrubb), the rest from the list had a higher Assist to turnover ratio.  At least higher assist totals compared to turnovers.  Some 1.5 assist to 1 turnover ratio

Unless Danny thinks Terry with 20 pounds is going to be solid defensive player + 3 pt potential .... I could see him draft Terry at 14 and trade him to the Wolves for 17 + 33 or Mavs for 18 + 31.   Nobody really knows what a 20 pound heavier Terry is exactly.  He didn't really shoot or score lights out last season.  But you know has one of those sweet looking jump strokes that should lead him into becoming a very good/reliable 3 pt shooter at the NBA level.  The question is, will he turnout to be a slightly better version of Seth Curry or somewhere in the McCollum/Trey Young lite ceiling instead.   

Scenario 1  (both Tillman and Bane gone by 26)
14: Terry (keep Terry. Backup next season and eventually successor to Walker)
26: Poku (potential)
30: Scrubb (potential)
47: Darling (3 pt specialist)

Scenario 2
17:  Tillman (top level assist to turnover ratio vs all other big players/historically.  Plus defensive player of the year)
18:  Bane  (high assist to turnover ratio.  Impressive 6 rpg game for a F/G.  44 percent 3pt shooter with large sample size)
47:  Darling (40 percent 3 pt shooter with large sample size.  Duncan Robinson/Herro ish type)

scenario 2 trades for 17 and 18th picks
* 14: Terry traded to Wolves for 17th and 33rd picks
* 26, 30, 33:  Traded to Mavs for 18th pick.

given that scenario 1 or 2 are the options to work with. Which would you choose?

Do you read the mocks, Triboy? Poku won't be around at 26. If we want him, will have to get him at 14, or do some sort of swap of picks. He won't last to 20.

Just because Danny has scheduled to meet with Terry means nothing. We all know he will be taken in 1st round. I'm skeptical that he will be taken in lottery.  To say he could be another Steph Curry is a bit much. Didn't Curry accomplish a lot more in college??

I do my friend. And poku is all over the place. Not cemented below 20. Some have him going in the 2nd round, which I highly doubt

[Silas]

Interesting quote,


from Brian Robb,

"Danny Ainge says Celtics will likely draft more for specific needs this year."

I have thought for a while that this would be a draft where BPA is kind of out the window. I view the Tiers in this draft as huge. Assuming that Ball, Edwards and Wiseman go top 3 (not a sure thing at all). There isn't a draft order of Hayes, Okongwu, Avdija, Okoro, Hampton, Maxey, Anthony, Haliburton, Vassel, P Williams, and Toppin that would surprise me. I can also see players like Terry, Lewis, Nesmith,J Green,  S Bey, and Achiuwa mixing with that group. With so little difference in talent between these prospects fit becomes key.

My Bad fits
Toppin, will never hold up on D
Nesmith, lacks skill set outside of shooting and over rated on D
Haliburton, great player but not a creator off the dribble and feels to redundant with Smart on offense

Nesmith a "bad fit" After getting spanked by 3 point shooting team?  Really? 

Toppin, I agree.  TL can't get on the floor with Brad and much better defender.

I don't know enough about Haliburton, but seems like he can create off dribble fine, just is so thin has trouble getting position.  I'd be happy with him though.

I agree with Footey. I don't understand some on this board.  If Nesmith is available, why not take the best 3-pt shooter in the draft?  .522 on over 8 shots/game.  Also, 6-6/213 and good on D.

[Tr1boy]

Why is no one talking up Isaiah Joe from Arkansas? Elite shooter, probably available end of 1st round.  Probably could plug him in right away for bench scoring next season.

Mediocre assist to turnover ratio.  So so defender. Doesnt rebound the ball. Could be due to thin body at the moment. Shot at 34 percent at the 3 pt line, which is nice but not great. Seems trigger happy.

[Tr1boy]

Interesting quote,


from Brian Robb,

"Danny Ainge says Celtics will likely draft more for specific needs this year."

I have thought for a while that this would be a draft where BPA is kind of out the window. I view the Tiers in this draft as huge. Assuming that Ball, Edwards and Wiseman go top 3 (not a sure thing at all). There isn't a draft order of Hayes, Okongwu, Avdija, Okoro, Hampton, Maxey, Anthony, Haliburton, Vassel, P Williams, and Toppin that would surprise me. I can also see players like Terry, Lewis, Nesmith,J Green,  S Bey, and Achiuwa mixing with that group. With so little difference in talent between these prospects fit becomes key.

My Bad fits
Toppin, will never hold up on D
Nesmith, lacks skill set outside of shooting and over rated on D
Haliburton, great player but not a creator off the dribble and feels to redundant with Smart on offense

Nesmith a "bad fit" After getting spanked by 3 point shooting team?  Really? 

Toppin, I agree.  TL can't get on the floor with Brad and much better defender.

I don't know enough about Haliburton, but seems like he can create off dribble fine, just is so thin has trouble getting position.  I'd be happy with him though.

I don't understand some on this board.  If Nesmith is available, why not take the best 3-pt shooter in the draft?  .522 on over 8 shots/game.

You cant say Nesmith is the best 3 pt shooter with a small sample size

He went out early due to an injury

His decision making/turnover is a little bit of a concern. Also defensive engagement

And these are things that could be tidied up.

But is Ainge or Stevens willing to be patient

[Silas]

Interesting quote,


from Brian Robb,

"Danny Ainge says Celtics will likely draft more for specific needs this year."

I have thought for a while that this would be a draft where BPA is kind of out the window. I view the Tiers in this draft as huge. Assuming that Ball, Edwards and Wiseman go top 3 (not a sure thing at all). There isn't a draft order of Hayes, Okongwu, Avdija, Okoro, Hampton, Maxey, Anthony, Haliburton, Vassel, P Williams, and Toppin that would surprise me. I can also see players like Terry, Lewis, Nesmith,J Green,  S Bey, and Achiuwa mixing with that group. With so little difference in talent between these prospects fit becomes key.

My Bad fits
Toppin, will never hold up on D
Nesmith, lacks skill set outside of shooting and over rated on D
Haliburton, great player but not a creator off the dribble and feels to redundant with Smart on offense

Nesmith a "bad fit" After getting spanked by 3 point shooting team?  Really? 

Toppin, I agree.  TL can't get on the floor with Brad and much better defender.

I don't know enough about Haliburton, but seems like he can create off dribble fine, just is so thin has trouble getting position.  I'd be happy with him though.

I don't understand some on this board.  If Nesmith is available, why not take the best 3-pt shooter in the draft?  .522 on over 8 shots/game.

You cant say Nesmith is the best 3 pt shooter with a small sample size

He went out early due to an injury

His decision making/turnover is a little bit of a concern. Also defensive engagement

And these are things that could be tidied up.

But is Ainge or Stevens willing to be patient

Fair enough.  However, one of our biggest weaknesses is 3-pt shooting.  Again if he is on the board at 14, I would take the chance....easy for me to say.