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From the Red Sox/Orioles game on 5/1/17
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2017/05/01/orioles-adam-jones-berated-racist-taunts-fenway-park-peanuts/101187172/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2017/05/01/orioles-adam-jones-berated-racist-taunts-fenway-park-peanuts/101187172/)
“A disrespectful fan threw a bag of peanuts at me,’’ Jones said, “I was called the N-word a handful of times tonight. Thanks. Pretty awesome.’’
Jones, one of just 62 African-Americans on opening-day rosters this year, said he has been subjected to racist hecklings in the past at Fenway Park, but said this was one of the worst experiences of his 12-year career.
I know this is the Red Sox and not the Celtics, but it falls in line with what many Cs fans have been worried about in trying to lure free agents - that Boston is a racist city.
This obviously doesn't go for the majority of Boston fans. Massachusetts is known to be a very liberal state, but this is exactly the kind-of stigma a city doesn't want to be associated with.
Do you think this will affect the Celtics' ability to sign free agents?
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From the Red Sox/Orioles game on 5/1/17
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2017/05/01/orioles-adam-jones-berated-racist-taunts-fenway-park-peanuts/101187172/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2017/05/01/orioles-adam-jones-berated-racist-taunts-fenway-park-peanuts/101187172/)
“A disrespectful fan threw a bag of peanuts at me,’’ Jones said, “I was called the N-word a handful of times tonight. Thanks. Pretty awesome.’’
Jones, one of just 62 African-Americans on opening-day rosters this year, said he has been subjected to racist hecklings in the past at Fenway Park, but said this was one of the worst experiences of his 12-year career.
I know this is the Red Sox and not the Celtics, but it falls in line with what many Cs fans have been worried about in trying to lure free agents - that Boston is a racist city.
This obviously doesn't go for the majority of Boston fans. Massachusetts is known to be a very liberal state, but this is exactly the kind-of stigma a city doesn't want to be associated with.
Do you think this will affect the Celtics' ability to sign free agents?
Just because of a few ignorant fools....doesnt mean the city is racist as a whole
If any potential FA that doesnt know the city feels that way ...bc of xyz incidents...then too bad for them
Lastly there is nothing you can do about these ignorant people...there are always a few bad apples everywhere ....past current future
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These people should be arrested for hate crime
Someone should ask them. .Point blank.. Why are you acting like this? Why? ... Make them understand this behaviour is not tolerable
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Disgusting behavior.
Certainly doesn't help the city of Boston reputation.
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Red Sox GM claims no one was ejected for racist language last night, but they did eject the fan for throwing the bag of peanuts.
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Red Sox GM claims no one was ejected for racist language last night, but they did eject the fan for throwing the bag of peanuts.
this isnt what I read. Jones said he felt 59 or 60 people got ejected, the red sox said they felt the number was around half that amount.
So 30 or so people got ejected from the ballpark last night......that seems like a lot for a monday night game in the middle of the regular season with nothing on the line.
No that doesnt mean that all 30 people got ejected for using the N word, doesnt mean any of them did, but it seems like something crazy was going on there last night
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It's so convenient that everyone right now is talking about alleged racial slurs instead of how Betts got drilled with a 95 mph fastball.
I'm so glad Pedroia reached out to the Orioles the other day to "clear the air", that seems to have worked out just great. Perhaps he should call again to apologize that Mookie stood in the way of that pitch.
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From the Red Sox/Orioles game on 5/1/17
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2017/05/01/orioles-adam-jones-berated-racist-taunts-fenway-park-peanuts/101187172/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2017/05/01/orioles-adam-jones-berated-racist-taunts-fenway-park-peanuts/101187172/)
“A disrespectful fan threw a bag of peanuts at me,’’ Jones said, “I was called the N-word a handful of times tonight. Thanks. Pretty awesome.’’
Jones, one of just 62 African-Americans on opening-day rosters this year, said he has been subjected to racist hecklings in the past at Fenway Park, but said this was one of the worst experiences of his 12-year career.
I know this is the Red Sox and not the Celtics, but it falls in line with what many Cs fans have been worried about in trying to lure free agents - that Boston is a racist city.
This obviously doesn't go for the majority of Boston fans. Massachusetts is known to be a very liberal state, but this is exactly the kind-of stigma a city doesn't want to be associated with.
Do you think this will affect the Celtics' ability to sign free agents?
I think it could but then I think people like KG and Pierce and Bill Russell might get on that phone and be like "Boston is an awesome place to win a ring."
I also think their agent will look at money offered....and where it was offered from.
I mean if you're a free agent....would you rather go to ...idk...Atlanta? Salt Lake City? Toronto....oh Toronto has some darn high taxes.
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I simply do not believe someone used racist language toward Jones. With all the other fans around and everyone with smart phones. I don't believe it until I actually see and hear it. I do believe that some numb nuts did throw peanuts at him but that alone doesn't mean its a racist act, it just means the bonehead didn't have anything else to throw. The media is too quick to jump on this a a racist incident.
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I simply do not believe someone used racist language toward Jones. With all the other fans around and everyone with smart phones. I don't believe it until I actually see and hear it. I do believe that some numb nuts did throw peanuts at him but that alone doesn't mean its a racist act, it just means the bonehead didn't have anything else to throw. The media is too quick to jump on this a a racist incident.
It ain't like it hasn't happened before.
http://www.complex.com/sports/2017/05/ugly-history-boston-being-most-racist-sports-city-america
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I simply do not believe someone used racist language toward Jones. With all the other fans around and everyone with smart phones. I don't believe it until I actually see and hear it. I do believe that some numb nuts did throw peanuts at him but that alone doesn't mean its a racist act, it just means the bonehead didn't have anything else to throw. The media is too quick to jump on this a a racist incident.
Is there video of the peanuts incident, despite all the cell phones?
Why do you think that happened, but are skeptical that a handful of 35,000 fans are racist? Is it because of Adam Jones' (recipient of the Roberto Clemente award) poor character?
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Luckily we were able to sign Horford this off-season and many of the other players on our team seem to love playing in Boston. We have also built a winning culture with great young players and top 3 coach.
I don't necessarily think this will make potential free agents run away screaming, it just doesn't help the city's reputation.
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People on SoSH have been calling for the crowd to give a standing ovation to Jones. Mookie Betts tweeted the same suggestion. I love the idea. I think if the fans do it thunderously enough it could turn an awful moment in Boston sports history into a proud moment.
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People on SoSH have been calling for the crowd to give a standing ovation to Jones. Mookie Betts tweeted the same suggestion. I love the idea. I think if the fans do it thunderously enough it could turn an awful moment in Boston sports history into a proud moment.
People should be talking about which Oriole will be getting drilled tonight. Bleh.
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People on SoSH have been calling for the crowd to give a standing ovation to Jones. Mookie Betts tweeted the same suggestion. I love the idea. I think if the fans do it thunderously enough it could turn an awful moment in Boston sports history into a proud moment.
People should be talking about which Oriole will be getting drilled tonight. Bleh.
You should care more about what prospective free agents and trade targets are talking about tonight as they watch the Celtics. Fortunately the timing of the games makes it possible for the crowd cheering Jones to be the thing being talked about in the news cycle and grapevine an hour before tipoff, the thing those Possible Future Celtics will remember more about Boston fans. Baseball codes of honor should not be on your mind. This will affect all sports in the city, too, not just the Celtics. What happens in the next several hours could affect all our teams' chances at recruiting players, could sink or could save our city's reputation around the nation.
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I simply do not believe someone used racist language toward Jones. With all the other fans around and everyone with smart phones. I don't believe it until I actually see and hear it. I do believe that some numb nuts did throw peanuts at him but that alone doesn't mean its a racist act, it just means the bonehead didn't have anything else to throw. The media is too quick to jump on this a a racist incident.
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People on SoSH have been calling for the crowd to give a standing ovation to Jones. Mookie Betts tweeted the same suggestion. I love the idea. I think if the fans do it thunderously enough it could turn an awful moment in Boston sports history into a proud moment.
People should be talking about which Oriole will be getting drilled tonight. Bleh.
You should care more about what prospective free agents and trade targets are talking about tonight as they watch the Celtics. Fortunately the timing of the games makes it possible for the crowd cheering Jones to be the thing being talked about in the news cycle and grapevine an hour before tipoff, the thing those Possible Future Celtics will remember more about Boston fans. Baseball codes of honor should not be on your mind. This will affect all sports in the city, too, not just the Celtics. What happens in the next several hours could affect all our teams' chances at recruiting players, could sink or could save our city's reputation around the nation.
Fortunately, accidents like this have about zero bearing on the stuff you're worried about. What happened affects about as much as those "Ozzie mows Wrigley Field" t-shirts several years ago.
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I got some inside information. 34 kicked out that's somewhat normal. Mostly for smoking weed, Fighting, only 1 guy was yelling racist stuff and through Peanuts at him.
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I got some inside information. 34 kicked out that's somewhat normal. Mostly for smoking weed, Fighting, only 1 guy was yelling racist stuff and through Peanuts at him.
according to the red sox GM, 0 people were thrown out for racist stuff.
9 were thrown out for a fight, 20 for "drunkenness", 2 for weed, 2 for language that was specifically not racist, 1 for throwing peanuts at Jones.
Kennedy said 2-3 people have been tossed for language "in the past year or so"
Now you can be encouraged by this, but you must also understand that while the 2-3 in the past year quote is probably meant to be a positive it also means that they dont toss most of the racist Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.s, which is obviously distressing.
Jones said ~60 were saying racist Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline., which is almost certainly an exaggeration but not one you can blame him for.
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Jones said ~60 were saying racist ****, which is almost certainly an exaggeration but not one you can blame him for.
He said he heard 59-60 people were ejected. Which is evidently false, but also a great Twitter bite.
Which brings me back to the main point of today's conversation: who's going to pony up for Betts' HBP now that Jones effectively took himself out of the running? ;D ;D ;D
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Jones said ~60 were saying racist ****, which is almost certainly an exaggeration but not one you can blame him for.
He said he heard 59-60 people were ejected. Which is evidently false, but also a great Twitter bite.
Which brings me back to the main point of today's conversation: who's going to pony up for Betts' HBP now that Jones effectively took himself out of the running? ;D ;D ;D
thanks for the correction.
can you imagine if we gave Jones a standing-O and then beaned him with the first pitch?
hilarious
Id throw at Machado again. Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. that guy.
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Jones said ~60 were saying racist ****, which is almost certainly an exaggeration but not one you can blame him for.
He said he heard 59-60 people were ejected. Which is evidently false, but also a great Twitter bite.
Which brings me back to the main point of today's conversation: who's going to pony up for Betts' HBP now that Jones effectively took himself out of the running? ;D ;D ;D
thanks for the correction.
can you imagine if we gave Jones a standing-O and then beaned him with the first pitch?
hilarious
Id throw at Machado again. **** that guy.
I'd love to see that for the comedy value, but I doubt it's going to happen. Too much bad press.
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It astounds me and seems incongruous that a state like Mass. which votes so heavily Democratic and is so liberal in its voting, philosophies and legislation could be so racist and be perceived as such.
A racist liberal?...is this a new voting demographic?
I wonder if (m)any of our Cs players feel this?
Horford seems like a thoughtful guy; you would think he asked IT about this before coming here. My point is that potential FAs are far more likely to ask players who play here now and who have played here about this than just going on "reputation" alone.
There have been a lot of NBA players who have come through here who we all know would speak their mind about this if it were an issue they experienced: KG, 'Sheed, Cassell, Rondo, Shaq as both Cs and opponents and Kobe and Barkley and AI as opponents are a few that come to mind.
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“I was called the N-word a handful of times tonight,’’ Jones said disgustedly.
This day and age this alleged racist tirade would have been recorded and the person would have been doxed by now, so this did not happen. Jones is lying.
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http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2017/05/02/adam-jones-message-to-racist-taunting-fans-square-up-lets-fight-and-get-it-over-with/
We went from "this time it was the worst in 12 years" to "heard it once, wasn't sure if it was one guy or more". Yup, certainly seems it was worth the ruckus.
... So, I hear Chris Jones is a wide body out there.
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It astounds me and seems incongruous that a state like Mass. which votes so heavily Democratic and is so liberal in its voting, philosophies and legislation could be so racist and be perceived as such.
Two points:
1. Massachusetts is far from 100% liberal or Democrat;
2. There are plenty of Democrats who vote that way for reasons other than social policy.
There are racists in Boston. That's pretty much an incontrovertible fact, regardless of the political makeup of the city. Whether Boston is more or less racist than other places, and what can be done about it, is a matter of debate.
From my experience, certain neighborhoods in Boston aren't necessarily friendly to racial minorities. I lived in Southie during law school, and I heard the N-word plenty of times. In certain sections there may as well have been a "blacks not welcome here" sign. In other areas, there's remarkable integration and progressiveness.
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“I was called the N-word a handful of times tonight,’’ Jones said disgustedly.
This day and age this alleged racist tirade would have been recorded and the person would have been doxed by now, so this did not happen. Jones is lying.
So you know ahead of time that someone is going to be dropping the N bomb at a player and have your phone out ready to capture it?
C'mon.... ::) Stuff still flies under the radar and isn't captured electronically this day & age.
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It astounds me and seems incongruous that a state like Mass. which votes so heavily Democratic and is so liberal in its voting, philosophies and legislation could be so racist and be perceived as such.
Two points:
1. Massachusetts is far from 100% liberal or Democrat;
2. There are plenty of Democrats who vote that way for reasons other than social policy.
There are racists in Boston. That's pretty much an incontrovertible fact, regardless of the political makeup of the city. Whether Boston is more or less racist than other places, and what can be done about it, is a matter of debate.
From my experience, certain neighborhoods in Boston aren't necessarily friendly to racial minorities. I lived in Southie during law school, and I heard the N-word plenty of times. In certain sections there may as well have been a "blacks not welcome here" sign. In other areas, there's remarkable integration and progressiveness.
I don't disagree with anything you said.
I grew up in an urban, culturally diverse part of Greater Boston and went to college in Cambridge and law school in Boston, living in Cambridge for 3 years, so by experience, I CAN'T disagree with what you've said.
But the fact that there are racists in Boston and sections of the city that are not racially tolerant is true of many, many other cities. New York especially comes to mind. But those cities aren't painted with the same brush that Boston is.
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“I was called the N-word a handful of times tonight,’’ Jones said disgustedly.
This day and age this alleged racist tirade would have been recorded and the person would have been doxed by now, so this did not happen. Jones is lying.
So you know ahead of time that someone is going to be dropping the N bomb at a player and have your phone out ready to capture it?
C'mon.... ::) Stuff still flies under the radar and isn't captured electronically this day & age.
Every little confrontation that springs up is videotaped. "Handful of times", you mean to tell me you believe someone used that word, even once, at a public ballpark, and nobody got their phones out? I like facts, evidence or reliable eyewitnesses, Jones has none of those things on his side. Just a bunch of SJW's quick to pat themselves on the back and condemn racism. Well guess what? I condemn it too, when it actually exists.
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“I was called the N-word a handful of times tonight,’’ Jones said disgustedly.
This day and age this alleged racist tirade would have been recorded and the person would have been doxed by now, so this did not happen. Jones is lying.
Don't believe anyone who says they were sexually harassed or raped either. They are all liars.🙄
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I got some inside information. 34 kicked out that's somewhat normal. Mostly for smoking weed, Fighting, only 1 guy was yelling racist stuff and through Peanuts at him.
according to the red sox GM, 0 people were thrown out for racist stuff.
9 were thrown out for a fight, 20 for "drunkenness", 2 for weed, 2 for language that was specifically not racist, 1 for throwing peanuts at Jones.
Kennedy said 2-3 people have been tossed for language "in the past year or so"
Now you can be encouraged by this, but you must also understand that while the 2-3 in the past year quote is probably meant to be a positive it also means that they dont toss most of the racist ****s, which is obviously distressing.
Jones said ~60 were saying racist ****, which is almost certainly an exaggeration but not one you can blame him for.
Tp Sports for the detailed analysis, however who knows what's true from the PR angle.
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“I was called the N-word a handful of times tonight,’’ Jones said disgustedly.
This day and age this alleged racist tirade would have been recorded and the person would have been doxed by now, so this did not happen. Jones is lying.
So you know ahead of time that someone is going to be dropping the N bomb at a player and have your phone out ready to capture it?
C'mon.... ::) Stuff still flies under the radar and isn't captured electronically this day & age.
Every little confrontation that springs up is videotaped. "Handful of times", you mean to tell me you believe someone used that word, even once, at a public ballpark, and nobody got their phones out? I like facts, evidence or reliable eyewitnesses, Jones has none of those things on his side. Just a bunch of SJW's quick to pat themselves on the back and condemn racism. Well guess what? I condemn it too, when it actually exists.
Where's the video of the peanut throwing? The dudes smoking weed? The fights? The abusive language?
There were 30 ejections. How many were videotaped? Any? Doesn't that disprove your point?
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i ve liked everyboby i ve met so far from Boston ......even if they do talk funny ..... ;D
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“I was called the N-word a handful of times tonight,’’ Jones said disgustedly.
This day and age this alleged racist tirade would have been recorded and the person would have been doxed by now, so this did not happen. Jones is lying.
So you know ahead of time that someone is going to be dropping the N bomb at a player and have your phone out ready to capture it?
C'mon.... ::) Stuff still flies under the radar and isn't captured electronically this day & age.
Every little confrontation that springs up is videotaped. "Handful of times", you mean to tell me you believe someone used that word, even once, at a public ballpark, and nobody got their phones out? I like facts, evidence or reliable eyewitnesses, Jones has none of those things on his side. Just a bunch of SJW's quick to pat themselves on the back and condemn racism. Well guess what? I condemn it too, when it actually exists.
Where's the video of the peanut throwing? The dudes smoking weed? The fights? The abusive language?
There were 30 ejections. How many were videotaped? Any? Doesn't that disprove your point?
We are talking about multiple instances of an individual using the N-word, that's what Jones said, not me. If a person were to throw peanuts, then toss a beer, and then hurl a pizza at a player, I would expect at least the tail end of that to be recorded by someone seeking to provide WorldStar with more content. I would expect some eyewitnesses to step forward and say, "Yeah, this person was throwing a ton crap at the player", but alas, none of that has happened.
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Michael Smith and Jamelle Hill just went off on racism jn Boston and America.
Ooooph! That was a schelacking. On national TV it was just said that... Boston is the most racist city. It doesn't take courage to condemn this. Black players who go to Fenway know to expect this. All the people who said nothing are just as bad. Unacceptable is emptiest word in the English language. You don't have to use the n-word to be racist.
Bad look for our city right now. Funny thing is this is the most I heard Boston mentioned on Sportcenter in God know's how long.
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This fits perfectly into the narrative that ESPN has been pushing for years. We knew they were going to take it and run with it, regardless of it being fake news.
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Michael Smith and Jamelle Hill just went off on racism jn Boston and America.
I'm shocked...
.... no, not really. Has Bomani Jones weighed in yet?
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Michael Smith and Jamelle Hill just went off on racism jn Boston and America.
I'm shocked...
.... no, not really. Has Bomani Jones weighed in yet?
Bomani Jones is a fringe personality who has gone on record saying Stevie Wonder isn't blind. Jamelle Hill and Michael Smith have the 6PM Sportcenter slot which is one of the bigger platforms and sports and culture right now. It was a bad look for our city.
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Jones up second, let's see how fans respond when he's announced...
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Proud of this city.
EDIT: An ovation that went from sitting to standing and grew in intensity until Jones stepped out and acknowledged it.
EDIT: Sale soon whistles a fastball behind Machado to resume the Pedroia-Machado hostilities.
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Good for Jones, makes up a story, get national headlines and attention. No evidence, no witnesses, but some people just love the narrative so much that they will just sort of plow through the details.
Now a standing ovation at Fenway Park. Incredible. Lol. I just have to laugh this crap off at this point. See racism where it isn't there or just flat out make it up. That's America in 2017
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Good for Jones, makes up a story, get national headlines and attention. No evidence, no witnesses, but some people just love the narrative so much that they will just sort of plow through the details.
Now a standing ovation at Fenway Park. Incredible. Lol. I just have to laugh this crap off at this point. See racism where it isn't there or just flat out make it up. That's America in 2017
Posters on SoSH who were there and who heard it confirmed it. There may or may not be a whole lotta racism being seen elsewhere that isn't really there in the world, but in this case it actually was there, Jones was called the n-word by some fan.
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Good for Jones, makes up a story, get national headlines and attention. No evidence, no witnesses, but some people just love the narrative so much that they will just sort of plow through the details.
Now a standing ovation at Fenway Park. Incredible. Lol. I just have to laugh this crap off at this point. See racism where it isn't there or just flat out make it up. That's America in 2017
you sound like a terrible human being.
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Good for Jones, makes up a story, get national headlines and attention. No evidence, no witnesses, but some people just love the narrative so much that they will just sort of plow through the details.
Now a standing ovation at Fenway Park. Incredible. Lol. I just have to laugh this crap off at this point. See racism where it isn't there or just flat out make it up. That's America in 2017
Speaking of invented narratives used to push pre-existing grievances...
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Man, hats off to Turtleboy Sports at this point. They should get the standing ovation.
http://turtleboysports.com/adam-jones-makes-up-obvious-lie-about-60-red-sox-fans-yelling-racial-slurs-at-him-barstool-sports-msm-buy-into-it-and-demand-sox-fans-give-jones-standing-ovation/
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::).....::::sigh::::.....
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Man, hats off to Turtleboy Sports at this point. They should get the standing ovation.
http://turtleboysports.com/adam-jones-makes-up-obvious-lie-about-60-red-sox-fans-yelling-racial-slurs-at-him-barstool-sports-msm-buy-into-it-and-demand-sox-fans-give-jones-standing-ovation/
This is not the Subban tweet situation redux.
Yet not one person in the stands or the Orioles heard it except for him. Cool story bro.
Visit SoSH, someone who was there last night also heard it. I recommend that you refrain from a kneejerk denial just as you wish people would refrain from kneejerk condemnation in other circumstances. There was actually something to condemn last night. It's not just a virtue signaling event.
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Man, hats off to Turtleboy Sports at this point. They should get the standing ovation.
http://turtleboysports.com/adam-jones-makes-up-obvious-lie-about-60-red-sox-fans-yelling-racial-slurs-at-him-barstool-sports-msm-buy-into-it-and-demand-sox-fans-give-jones-standing-ovation/
This is not the Subban tweet situation redux.
Yet not one person in the stands or the Orioles heard it except for him. Cool story bro.
Visit SoSH, someone who was there last night also heard it. I recommend that you refrain from a kneejerk denial just as you wish people would refrain from kneejerk condemnation in other circumstances. There was actually something to condemn last night. It's not just a virtue signaling event.
im gonna venture to guess theres nothing thats gonna change his mind.
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I wasn't even going address anonymous posters on an online forum. I care about reliable witnesses, evidence and facts, as I've already said.
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I wasn't even going address anonymous posters on an online forum. I care about reliable witnesses, evidence and facts, as I've already said.
witnesses were pointed out to you and you refuse to acknowledge it. you sound more like a troll at this point, which is sad considering the topic
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I wasn't even going address anonymous posters on an online forum. I care about reliable witnesses, evidence and facts, as I've already said.
witnesses were pointed out to you and you refuse to acknowledge it. you sound more like a troll at this point, which is sad considering the topic
You can name call and sigh all you want, facts don't care about your feelings.
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Adam Jones was given a warm applause today. Classy move by many fans to hopefully make a bigger impact than the terrible things said by a couple of jerks.
The problem with an incident like this is that one or two people can have more of an impact than 28,000 other baseball fans. No one cares about how the polite people acted. We jump to focus on the jerks.
I think that racist people are despicable. I also think that blanketing the city as racist is silly.
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“I was called the N-word a handful of times tonight,’’ Jones said disgustedly.
This day and age this alleged racist tirade would have been recorded and the person would have been doxed by now, so this did not happen. Jones is lying.
So you know ahead of time that someone is going to be dropping the N bomb at a player and have your phone out ready to capture it?
C'mon.... ::) Stuff still flies under the radar and isn't captured electronically this day & age.
Every little confrontation that springs up is videotaped. "Handful of times", you mean to tell me you believe someone used that word, even once, at a public ballpark, and nobody got their phones out? I like facts, evidence or reliable eyewitnesses, Jones has none of those things on his side. Just a bunch of SJW's quick to pat themselves on the back and condemn racism. Well guess what? I condemn it too, when it actually exists.
Where's the video of the peanut throwing? The dudes smoking weed? The fights? The abusive language?
There were 30 ejections. How many were videotaped? Any? Doesn't that disprove your point?
I think if this were some sort of a nightly thing at Fenway we'd definitely see video of it.
That said Jones' story is starting to seem more true bit by bit. Per the radio today the team spoke with Red Sox players today and the players confirmed this has happened in the past. I think we will know more over time.
That said I still question the general concept here. If Boston is such a racist city it certainly isn't hurting the Patriots....aka most popular team in NFL for free agents....the one everybody wants to be traded to.
And certainly nobody is yelling stuff at Marcus Smart. He'd be in the stands eventually.
As much as I hate to admit it perception is reality at times, and I think it's well within the realm of possibility that in the minds of many pro players Boston and/or a team or two of ours are perceived as racist (at least among African Americans). And we can cry about that or deal with it.
I would be very curious to see a poll of pro players asking them what city or fan base they feel they have the most racist experiences in. And I wouldn't mind seeing it sorted out by race.
I'd be very curious if hispanic players felt different than white ones from black ones, from mixed race ones, etc.
It wouldn't shock me if drunk fans always yell stuff at players of rivalries. And Boston has a lot of rivalries. And I suspect we have a lot of drunks.
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“I was called the N-word a handful of times tonight,’’ Jones said disgustedly.
This day and age this alleged racist tirade would have been recorded and the person would have been doxed by now, so this did not happen. Jones is lying.
So you know ahead of time that someone is going to be dropping the N bomb at a player and have your phone out ready to capture it?
C'mon.... ::) Stuff still flies under the radar and isn't captured electronically this day & age.
Every little confrontation that springs up is videotaped. "Handful of times", you mean to tell me you believe someone used that word, even once, at a public ballpark, and nobody got their phones out? I like facts, evidence or reliable eyewitnesses, Jones has none of those things on his side. Just a bunch of SJW's quick to pat themselves on the back and condemn racism. Well guess what? I condemn it too, when it actually exists.
Where's the video of the peanut throwing? The dudes smoking weed? The fights? The abusive language?
There were 30 ejections. How many were videotaped? Any? Doesn't that disprove your point?
I think if this were some sort of a nightly thing at Fenway we'd definitely see video of it.
That said Jones' story is starting to seem more true bit by bit. Per the radio today the team spoke with Red Sox players today and the players confirmed this has happened in the past. I think we will know more over time.
That said I still question the general concept here. If Boston is such a racist city it certainly isn't hurting the Patriots....aka most popular team in NFL for free agents....the one everybody wants to be traded to.
And certainly nobody is yelling stuff at Marcus Smart. He'd be in the stands eventually.
As much as I hate to admit it perception is reality at times, and I think it's well within the realm of possibility that in the minds of many pro players Boston and/or a team or two of ours are perceived as racist (at least among African Americans). And we can cry about that or deal with it.
I would be very curious to see a poll of pro players asking them what city or fan base they feel they have the most racist experiences in. And I wouldn't mind seeing it sorted out by race.
I'd be very curious if hispanic players felt different than white ones from black ones, from mixed race ones, etc.
It wouldn't shock me if drunk fans always yell stuff at players of rivalries. And Boston has a lot of rivalries. And I suspect we have a lot of drunks.
there are bad apples in every city, it happens everywhere. It even happened to Jones last year in Toronto, he said fans were hurling racial slurs at him and Hyun Soo Kim, they even threw a beer at Kim.
That story got a lot of attention too and an apology from the Blue Jays. I think the reason this is getting a lot more attention is that it is in Boston and also that Jones is saying its the worst hes seen in his 12 year career.
I think a story like this will always be a bigger deal in Boston bc thats the perception of the city that lot of people have whether its fair or not.
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wow
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In a court of law, evidence, reliable witnesses, and facts would be required by the side of the accuser. Jones has the luxury of avoiding all of those little variables that determine innocent or guilt, he gets to rely on an old reputation and the support of reactionary social justice warriors who love the narrative so much they sort of just plow through all the details.
Sounds to me like Jones, who has a history of playing the victim card, was being taunted and harassed and couldn't handle it, so he exaggerated the experience. He's already backed off his original claim. Too bad because it's guilty before innocent in the court of public opinion. The city suffers for this.
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In a court of law, evidence, reliable witnesses, and facts would be required by the side of the accuser. Jones has the luxury of avoiding all of those little variables that determine innocent or guilt, he gets to rely on an old reputation and the support of reactionary social justice warriors who love the narrative so much they sort of just plow through all the details.
Sounds to me like Jones, who has a history of playing the victim card, was being taunted and harassed and couldn't handle it, so he exaggerated the experience. He's already backed off his original claim. Too bad because it's guilty before innocent in the court of public opinion. The city suffers for this.
This is not a court of law. And the court of public opinion has unfair rules of evidence. Deal with it. Jones misstating how many people were ejected is irrelevant, anyway. What you think is evidence of him changing his story, ain't the evidence you think it is. He said he heard it a few times, not that he was called it by dozens of people. Look, I'm probably as anti-SJW as you are, but unfortunately there actually are times when black people are actually called the n-word by hostiles, in which case the right stance to take is to be appalled by it and the wrong stance is to play the role of unrelenting defense attorney in order to discredit the claim. Stipulate that he was called it. What would your reaction be?
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Surely a credible eyewitness would have stepped forward by now to help identify this hate criminal, yet there are no witnesses and no video to speak of, don't you find that the least bit odd?
I know it makes you feel good and noble to take this position you are taking, but it isn't a sound position based on what we know. Jones has a history of trying to bring social issues to the forefront in baseball. This exaggeration has only helped further that cause. I'm sure the end justifies the means, as far as he is concerned.
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Stipulate that he was called it. What would your reaction be?
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Stipulate that he was called it. What would your reaction be?
I strongly condemn that type of language and behavior. I reject all forms of collectivism, racism is the ugliest.
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Stipulate that he was called it. What would your reaction be?
I strongly condemn that type of language and behavior. I reject all forms of collectivism, racism is the ugliest.
Great.
And if he was called it, then would you think the team apologizing and the crowd cheering him the next night is an appropriate response?
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Stipulate that he was called it. What would your reaction be?
I strongly condemn that type of language and behavior. I reject all forms of collectivism, racism is the ugliest.
Great.
And if he was called it, then would you think the team apologizing and the crowd cheering him the next night is an appropriate response?
I reject all forms of collectivism, individuals should own their own mistakes. Speaking hypothetically, Red Sox ownership and fans are not responsible for what a drunk idiot from out of town says. Freedom of speech should always be upheld as sacrosanct. The 1st amendment is not in place so we can discuss the weather, it is there so we can say very controversial things. The Red Sox as a private entity are responsible for putting together a policy that discourages that type of behavior. That's all they can do. So no, Red Sox and fans are not responsible.
But for sake and hope of you arriving at your point, I'll say, "Yes".
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Stipulate that he was called it. What would your reaction be?
I strongly condemn that type of language and behavior. I reject all forms of collectivism, racism is the ugliest.
Great.
And if he was called it, then would you think the team apologizing and the crowd cheering him the next night is an appropriate response?
I reject all forms of collectivism, individuals should own their own mistakes. Speaking hypothetically, Red Sox ownership and fans are not responsible for what a drunk idiot from out of town says. Freedom of speech should always be upheld as sacrosanct. The 1st amendment is not in place so we can discuss the weather, it is there so we can say very controversial things. The Red Sox as a private entity are responsible for putting together a policy that discourages that type of behavior. That's all they can do. So no, Red Sox and fans are not responsible.
But for sake and hope of you arriving at your point, I'll say, "Yes".
Good.
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Adam Jones was given a warm applause today. Classy move by many fans to hopefully make a bigger impact than the terrible things said by a couple of jerks.
The problem with an incident like this is that one or two people can have more of an impact than 28,000 other baseball fans. No one cares about how the polite people acted. We jump to focus on the jerks.
I think that racist people are despicable. I also think that blanketing the city as racist is silly.
Agreed. I have zero ties to the city of Boston, other than being a lifelong diehard C's fan. Using that word is deplorable, and I immediately lose all respect for people that are racist. That being said, there are racist people all over the world, from all ethnicities and all religions. To draw a link between this incident and the entire city of Boston is completely ignorant.
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Has any journalist in Boston been able to find a fan on the record to corroborate Adam Jones story? Are they even trying?
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Gotta love Kirk Minihane, one guy in town asking questions:
"Out of curiosity, did anyone at Fenway last night confirm this? Was it on social media? Any actual proof? Is it OK to ask questions?"
"Not saying it happened or it didn't, but the rush to condemn Boston w/no proof is chilling. And, of course, the pandering is off the charts."
"Twitter has made everyone afraid to doubt, to ask questions. If some Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. called Jones that I hope his life is ruined. Just want proof."
"Defend what? Not defending anything. All I'm saying is I've watched journalists report this with zero proof and Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. all over Boston again."
https://twitter.com/kirkmin
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Mike Lupica found a witness:
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/227811194/adam-jones-fenway-park-racism-fans
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Jones said ~60 were saying racist ****, which is almost certainly an exaggeration but not one you can blame him for.
He said he heard 59-60 people were ejected. Which is evidently false, but also a great Twitter bite.
Which brings me back to the main point of today's conversation: who's going to pony up for Betts' HBP now that Jones effectively took himself out of the running? ;D ;D ;D
thanks for the correction.
can you imagine if we gave Jones a standing-O and then beaned him with the first pitch?
hilarious
Id throw at Machado again. **** that guy.
And so they did. I wonder whether the umpires will issue warnings before the game even starts today.
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Mike Lupica found a witness:
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/227811194/adam-jones-fenway-park-racism-fans
So the 1 witness the media was able to find, of the 34,000 people in attendance, has been totally discredited. No witness, no video, no proof whatsoever. Yet, let's all just accept Jones' story as fact.
Isn't journalism about being skeptical and questioning everything to uncover the truth? This is the biggest story in the country right now, based on a tale from an emotional SJW baseball player after a heated game, and it makes our city look terrible! Nary a whimper from the majority of Bostonians and Boston media. It's pathetic.
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Mike Lupica found a witness:
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/227811194/adam-jones-fenway-park-racism-fans
So the 1 witness the media was able to find, of the 34,000 people in attendance, has been totally discredited. No witness, no video, no proof whatsoever. Yet, let's all just accept Jones' story as fact.
There is proof: Jones' statement. Plenty of crimes are proven without corroboration.
I haven't seen where this kid was discredited, but what about Sam Kennedy saying Sox players have heard slurs?
Why are you so surprised that one drunken idiot out of 35,000 people used racist language? I'd be shocked if there was only one moron acting like a buffoon.
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Mike Lupica found a witness:
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/227811194/adam-jones-fenway-park-racism-fans
So the 1 witness the media was able to find, of the 34,000 people in attendance, has been totally discredited. No witness, no video, no proof whatsoever. Yet, let's all just accept Jones' story as fact.
Isn't journalism about being skeptical and questioning everything to uncover the truth? This is the biggest story in the country right now, based on a tale from an emotional SJW baseball player after a heated game, and it makes our city look terrible! Nary a whimper from the majority of Bostonians and Boston media. It's pathetic.
I find it weird that you're trying to poke holes in the story, as oppose to just assuming that Jones wasn't hearing voices in his own head.
If one person was yelling at Jones, that shouldn't say anything about Boston. A reasonable person can understand that one person doesn't represent all fans.
I wouldn't worry about people making blanket statements about Bostonians. I also wouldn't worry about people who make blanket statement against blacks, liberals, etc. It's nearly impossible to make a valid point about a group by lumping everyone together.
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One thing that is rubbing me the wrong way is several African-American players, commentators, etc. from all over the country are taking this opportunity to tell everybody that Boston is the only place they have ever been called the 'n' word. I just don't think this is true and it is painting a city, with essentially no slums and very progressive public service programs, in a very bad light.
I agree with others that racism is everywhere and a few bad seeds do not ruin a whole region. Good for Sox fans for the standing ovation, although this will likely not change the perception that Boston is racist.
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One thing that is rubbing me the wrong way is several African-American players, commentators, etc. from all over the country are taking this opportunity to tell everybody that Boston is the only place they have ever been called the 'n' word. I just don't think this is true and it is painting a city, with essentially no slums and very progressive public service programs, in a very bad light.
I agree with others that racism is everywhere and a few bad seeds do not ruin a whole region. Good for Sox fans for the standing ovation, although this will likely not change the perception that Boston is racist.
I'm surprised by that, too. There are drunken racist idiots all over the place. Heck, this week's Sports Illustrated's cover story has an anecdote about a baseball phenom being called the N-word at a high school game in California (I think).
I will say, a lot of stadiums have friendlier crowds than the bleachers at Fenway. Those sections are in no way family friendly, and the team should start cleaning it up. But, I'm skeptical that other cities have solved the problem of drunken morons saying vile things.
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As a gay male, I realize Boston/Massachusetts has been instrumental in advancing rights for the LGBT community. However, until recently (2015), a group of gay/ transgender veterans called 'OutVets' were not even allowed to march in the Saint Patrick's Day parade. And they were even denied that right this year until they were strongly encouraged not to let that happen.
But after the organizers voted 9 to 4 to exclude OutVets, council members came under increasing pressure to reconsider. Top politicians in the state, including the governor, Charlie Baker, and the mayor of Boston, Martin J. Walsh, announced they would skip the parade.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/11/us/boston-st-patricks-day-parade-gay-veterans-group.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/11/us/boston-st-patricks-day-parade-gay-veterans-group.html)
That is just insane, veterans who served our country were denied the right to march in a freakin' parade because they are gay...in Boston, the birthplace of gay marriage, no less.
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Jones said ~60 were saying racist ****, which is almost certainly an exaggeration but not one you can blame him for.
He said he heard 59-60 people were ejected. Which is evidently false, but also a great Twitter bite.
Which brings me back to the main point of today's conversation: who's going to pony up for Betts' HBP now that Jones effectively took himself out of the running? ;D ;D ;D
thanks for the correction.
can you imagine if we gave Jones a standing-O and then beaned him with the first pitch?
hilarious
Id throw at Machado again. **** that guy.
And so they did. I wonder whether the umpires will issue warnings before the game even starts today.
hahaha and then he threw a hissy fit.
Machado is like a slightly less talented A-Rod. So Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.ing hateable. wouldnt mind if we threw at him again today just for good measure.
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Mike Lupica found a witness:
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/227811194/adam-jones-fenway-park-racism-fans
So the 1 witness the media was able to find, of the 34,000 people in attendance, has been totally discredited. No witness, no video, no proof whatsoever. Yet, let's all just accept Jones' story as fact.
Isn't journalism about being skeptical and questioning everything to uncover the truth? This is the biggest story in the country right now, based on a tale from an emotional SJW baseball player after a heated game, and it makes our city look terrible! Nary a whimper from the majority of Bostonians and Boston media. It's pathetic.
I find it weird that you're trying to poke holes in the story, as oppose to just assuming that Jones wasn't hearing voices in his own head.
If one person was yelling at Jones, that shouldn't say anything about Boston. A reasonable person can understand that one person doesn't represent all fans.
I wouldn't worry about people making blanket statements about Bostonians. I also wouldn't worry about people who make blanket statement against blacks, liberals, etc. It's nearly impossible to make a valid point about a group by lumping everyone together.
As with many things, it's probably less the offensive individual that makes Boston look bad, but the many "blame the victim" tacit support of the offensive language that has the lasting reputation. It would be pretty easy to say "that sucks, if someone I knew said that I wouldn't hang out with them again. Buy you a beer?" rather than telling a victim of racist language to stop making stuff up.