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Re: ESPN asking about idea of trading Tatum and Brown for Kawhi Leonard
« Reply #30 on: April 18, 2018, 09:40:25 PM »

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Is the trade just Brown and Tatum and filler such that Boston keeps all prime draft picks, Morris, and Rozier (so Brown, Tatum, Yabu, Nader, and Semi)?  If so, I think that might be worth considering as a team of Irving, Hayward, Leonard, Morris, and Horford with Rozier, Smart, Theis, Baynes and/or Monroe on the bench is a clear title contender and the easy favorite in the East.  The team then still has the Sacto and Memphis picks to provide potential high end young talent.  That of course assumes both that Leonard is healthy and would re-sign.

Thanks for a rational post.  While I would be loathe to give up either Jay, the key is identifying the outcome. In this case C’s get a top 5 player to play alongside KI, GH, and AH — all in their primes. With Terry, Smart, Morris  and Moose/Baynes the C’s contend immediately.   

Imagine if the C’s had rookie JT alongside Al Jefferson in 2007 — do you trade JT and Al for KG?  You may not, but you could sure see the justification for doing it.   Kawhi is 5 years younger than KG was in 2007.  If KL is healthy, the idea of trading the Jays for him is not absurd. I wouldn’t like it because I want to see them develop here, but it’s a legit thought.

Except that id rather have Brown or Tatum than Morris and Rozier in vacuum and thats before you consider that Rozier or Morris will be on one year deals and unlikely to be back. Tatum and Brown is too much value for injure one year dual KL. And to answer your question if you had Tatum and Jefferson u absolutely dont trade both for KG, because as history showed us you only needed one.

I agree. The goal is multiple years of contention; keeping one of Brown/Tatum is non-negotiable.

And really, why should we have to add a prime draft pick?  What team is beating Tatum + Rozier + Morris, for instance?
the Sixers can pretty easily beat that while keeping both Embiid and Simmons

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but there I wouldn't trade Tatum for any combination of players on the Sixers roster that didn't include Embiid and Simmons.
Without question. Nobody on Philly’s roster that isn’t one of their twin towers is on JT’s level. I’d say the same about JB (unless LAL win the lottery)
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Re: ESPN asking about idea of trading Tatum and Brown for Kawhi Leonard
« Reply #31 on: April 18, 2018, 09:40:49 PM »

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And, there’s a certain hypocrisy among fans who embrace Kyrie (broke up a title contender) but criticize Kawhi.
Wait. Where's the soul sucking diva teammate in San Antonio? Oh. Wait. Kawhi is the diva in San Antonio.  Everyone understands not wanting to play with Bron. Nobody understands, or should try to understand, quitting. Kawhi is a quitter.

Kyrie quit on his team, too.  "I didn't want to play next to the best player in the world and make the Finals every year" isn't all that great of an excuse.


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Re: ESPN asking about idea of trading Tatum and Brown for Kawhi Leonard
« Reply #32 on: April 18, 2018, 09:42:34 PM »

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Tatum is kyries personal friend. They vacationed together before kyrie was even a celtic. You don't trade Tatum because he keeps kyrie happier  here than other places

Re: ESPN asking about idea of trading Tatum and Brown for Kawhi Leonard
« Reply #33 on: April 18, 2018, 09:42:53 PM »

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Never heard of a superstar pulling this act with a class organization



And, there’s a certain hypocrisy among fans who embrace Kyrie (broke up a title contender) but criticize Kawhi.
Wait. Where's the soul sucking diva teammate in San Antonio? Oh. Wait. Kawhi is the diva in San Antonio.  Everyone understands not wanting to play with Bron. Nobody understands, or should try to understand, quitting. Kawhi is a quitter.

Kyrie quit on his team, too.  "I didn't want to play next to the best player in the world and make the Finals every year" isn't all that great of an excuse.
He took the harder path so that makes him a quitter?

Re: ESPN asking about idea of trading Tatum and Brown for Kawhi Leonard
« Reply #34 on: April 18, 2018, 09:49:05 PM »

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And, there’s a certain hypocrisy among fans who embrace Kyrie (broke up a title contender) but criticize Kawhi.
Wait. Where's the soul sucking diva teammate in San Antonio? Oh. Wait. Kawhi is the diva in San Antonio.  Everyone understands not wanting to play with Bron. Nobody understands, or should try to understand, quitting. Kawhi is a quitter.

Kyrie quit on his team, too.  "I didn't want to play next to the best player in the world and make the Finals every year" isn't all that great of an excuse.
He took the harder path so that makes him a quitter?

So you can quit on your teammates if you go to a worse team?

I guess Kawhi is off the hook if he forces his way to the Knicks or Lakers or something.


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Re: ESPN asking about idea of trading Tatum and Brown for Kawhi Leonard
« Reply #35 on: April 18, 2018, 10:32:57 PM »

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I'm excited enough about our roster to lean toward not making any major trades of our top 8-9. Next year we can make a run. No need to trade for someone coming off injury. There are very, very few players that would move the needle very much for us next year. Given our strength and depth at wing, I'm not even sure kawhi is a sure improvement, considering he might not be quite there, and our guys are still improving.

We've got a good hand. Let's play it.

Re: ESPN asking about idea of trading Tatum and Brown for Kawhi Leonard
« Reply #36 on: April 18, 2018, 10:34:17 PM »

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Is the trade just Brown and Tatum and filler such that Boston keeps all prime draft picks, Morris, and Rozier (so Brown, Tatum, Yabu, Nader, and Semi)?  If so, I think that might be worth considering as a team of Irving, Hayward, Leonard, Morris, and Horford with Rozier, Smart, Theis, Baynes and/or Monroe on the bench is a clear title contender and the easy favorite in the East.  The team then still has the Sacto and Memphis picks to provide potential high end young talent.  That of course assumes both that Leonard is healthy and would re-sign.

Thanks for a rational post.  While I would be loathe to give up either Jay, the key is identifying the outcome. In this case C’s get a top 5 player to play alongside KI, GH, and AH — all in their primes. With Terry, Smart, Morris  and Moose/Baynes the C’s contend immediately.   

Imagine if the C’s had rookie JT alongside Al Jefferson in 2007 — do you trade JT and Al for KG?  You may not, but you could sure see the justification for doing it.   Kawhi is 5 years younger than KG was in 2007.  If KL is healthy, the idea of trading the Jays for him is not absurd. I wouldn’t like it because I want to see them develop here, but it’s a legit thought.

Except that id rather have Brown or Tatum than Morris and Rozier in vacuum and thats before you consider that Rozier or Morris will be on one year deals and unlikely to be back. Tatum and Brown is too much value for injure one year dual KL. And to answer your question if you had Tatum and Jefferson u absolutely dont trade both for KG, because as history showed us you only needed one.

I agree. The goal is multiple years of contention; keeping one of Brown/Tatum is non-negotiable.

And really, why should we have to add a prime draft pick?  What team is beating Tatum + Rozier + Morris, for instance?
the Sixers can pretty easily beat that while keeping both Embiid and Simmons

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but there I wouldn't trade Tatum for any combination of players on the Sixers roster that didn't include Embiid and Simmons.

I'm with you. I think Tatum/Brown is better now (and will be in the future) than Saric/Fultz.
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Re: ESPN asking about idea of trading Tatum and Brown for Kawhi Leonard
« Reply #37 on: April 18, 2018, 10:47:39 PM »

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And, there’s a certain hypocrisy among fans who embrace Kyrie (broke up a title contender) but criticize Kawhi.
Wait. Where's the soul sucking diva teammate in San Antonio? Oh. Wait. Kawhi is the diva in San Antonio.  Everyone understands not wanting to play with Bron. Nobody understands, or should try to understand, quitting. Kawhi is a quitter.

Kyrie quit on his team, too.  "I didn't want to play next to the best player in the world and make the Finals every year" isn't all that great of an excuse.
He took the harder path so that makes him a quitter?

So you can quit on your teammates if you go to a worse team?

I guess Kawhi is off the hook if he forces his way to the Knicks or Lakers or something.
I consider him quitting on his team because of his refusal to come back and play with them this year when he is arguably healthy enough to do so. If he ISN'T healthy enough at this point to do so then I want no part of giving up either one of these young future all-stars for a guy who hasn't played in an ENTIRE YEAR over a quad injury. That means he's either lying about how severe his injury is, or he it is way more serious than we think. Either way I don't want him. I do not blame him however for wanting a big contract and if he desires a change of scenery on his next one. (which is why I don't think Kyrie quit on his team either)

Re: ESPN asking about idea of trading Tatum and Brown for Kawhi Leonard
« Reply #38 on: April 18, 2018, 10:55:28 PM »

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If Rozier keeps playing like he did last game it will be Rozier for Kawhi....

Re: ESPN asking about idea of trading Tatum and Brown for Kawhi Leonard
« Reply #39 on: April 18, 2018, 10:56:40 PM »

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I do not blame him however for wanting a big contract and if he desires a change of scenery on his next one. (which is why I don't think Kyrie quit on his team either)

I'm legitimately curious about this.

If next season Jayson Tatum forces a trade -- using the threat of season-ending surgery to do it -- will he have quit on our team?  What if it's Horford?  Or Hayward?

I don't really get the "change of scenery" thing when you're under contract. 


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Re: ESPN asking about idea of trading Tatum and Brown for Kawhi Leonard
« Reply #40 on: April 18, 2018, 11:12:14 PM »

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Kawhi is a better player than both right now yes.  But who's to say that they won't reach his level within a couple years?  We could have 4 legit all-star caliber players on this team for the next 6-8 years (not counting Horford) with Kyrie, GH, JB, and JT.  And we'll have the Lakers/Kings player as well.  Stick with what we have and let this group win a few titles.

Re: ESPN asking about idea of trading Tatum and Brown for Kawhi Leonard
« Reply #41 on: April 18, 2018, 11:23:11 PM »

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I’d definitely like a package centered around Brown but I’m concerned that Kawhi might not recover from the injury.  That’s the only question mark for me

Re: ESPN asking about idea of trading Tatum and Brown for Kawhi Leonard
« Reply #42 on: April 18, 2018, 11:30:32 PM »

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Kawhi is a better player than both right now yes.  But who's to say that they won't reach his level within a couple years?  We could have 4 legit all-star caliber players on this team for the next 6-8 years (not counting Horford) with Kyrie, GH, JB, and JT.  And we'll have the Lakers/Kings player as well.  Stick with what we have and let this group win a few titles.
It's just incredibly unlikely that one, let alone two wings we have reach Kawhi's top 5-8 player in the league level. We'd almost certainly lose one of those 4 that you mentioned due to cap considerations alone if that were the case (further down the track).

However, I do agree that we should run it with what we have. After seeing what JB and JT have done over the first couple of games against Milwaukee I'm firmly of the belief that we could seriously challenge for a title in 2019, and by 2020 we should be a favourite to win it all.
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Re: ESPN asking about idea of trading Tatum and Brown for Kawhi Leonard
« Reply #43 on: April 18, 2018, 11:37:07 PM »

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I do not blame him however for wanting a big contract and if he desires a change of scenery on his next one. (which is why I don't think Kyrie quit on his team either)

I'm legitimately curious about this.

If next season Jayson Tatum forces a trade -- using the threat of season-ending surgery to do it -- will he have quit on our team?  What if it's Horford?  Or Hayward?

I don't really get the "change of scenery" thing when you're under contract.

Great question.  I'm genuinely curious about others' thoughts here too.
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Re: ESPN asking about idea of trading Tatum and Brown for Kawhi Leonard
« Reply #44 on: April 19, 2018, 12:47:27 AM »

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I'd - grudgingly - trade one of Brown/Tatum for KL. But I'd have to be very confident in the situation to do that. I don't trust his health, nor the prospects of him staying in Boston.

The reason we're mentioned in all of these scenarios is because the whole league covets Brown and Tatum. Ainge would be a fool to entertain trading both of them.

No, Philly couldn't match any offer involving either of them that didn't include one of it's 2 young stars. That's a ludicrous notion.