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Title: Lonzo, 19 Minutes off the Bench
Post by: Big333223 on October 19, 2018, 12:50:20 PM
Lonzo did not start the game opener for the Lakers last night in favor of Rajon Rondo.

What's the track record for a player starting his rookie year and then being moved to the bench for his second year? That kind of backwards trajectory seems like a bad sign and I'm having trouble thinking of an all star that took a path like that.
Title: Re: Lonzo, 19 Minutes off the Bench
Post by: apc on October 19, 2018, 12:55:21 PM
Cant wait for Lamar to open his big mouth and make things fun in Lalaland.
Title: Re: Lonzo, 19 Minutes off the Bench
Post by: ederson on October 19, 2018, 01:02:48 PM
I doubt he makes any noise

He s been quiet since Lebron joined the Lakers. I don't think it's a coincidence.
Title: Re: Lonzo, 19 Minutes off the Bench
Post by: Moranis on October 19, 2018, 01:11:35 PM
Lonzo has been hurt and is transitioning back.  I suspect he starts over the next few weeks.
Title: Re: Lonzo, 19 Minutes off the Bench
Post by: bdm860 on October 19, 2018, 01:14:47 PM
Lonzo did not start the game opener for the Lakers last night in favor of Rajon Rondo.

What's the track record for a player starting his rookie year and then being moved to the bench for his second year? That kind of backwards trajectory seems like a bad sign and I'm having trouble thinking of an all star that took a path like that.

It's too early to say he's been moved to the bench.

The reason for the low minutes and not starting is because he's on a minutes restriction coming back from a knee injury, only played 1 preseason game, missed most of training camp, etc.
Title: Re: Lonzo, 19 Minutes off the Bench
Post by: bdm860 on October 19, 2018, 01:27:37 PM
I doubt he makes any noise

He s been quiet since Lebron joined the Lakers. I don't think it's a coincidence.

So what do you think is going on?

Title: Re: Lonzo, 19 Minutes off the Bench
Post by: apc on October 19, 2018, 01:35:45 PM
I doubt he makes any noise

He s been quiet since Lebron joined the Lakers. I don't think it's a coincidence.

So what do you think is going on?

  • Media/public is tired of LaVar, and he's no longer generating traffic?
  • LeBron let it be known he's going to blackball anybody who reports on LaVar?
  • Or maybe the media is just trying to stay on LeBron's good side, and no threat from LeBron is actually needed?
  • LeBron has paid hush money to LaVar (Bill Simmons theory)?
  • Something else?
Its just a matter of time until he opens his mouth again. its in his DNA.
Title: Re: Lonzo, 19 Minutes off the Bench
Post by: Kuberski33 on October 19, 2018, 01:49:40 PM
Lonzo looks like he's added some bulk this off-season.  My guess is they're going to play their vets heavily at the start of the season to try to establish a culture.  With that club it's going to be very interesting to watch who meshes with LeBron vs who doesn't.

LaVar has probably shut up because it's by no means a sure thing that Lonzo stays there long term. It's now LeBron's team.
Title: Re: Lonzo, 19 Minutes off the Bench
Post by: bknova on October 19, 2018, 02:25:13 PM
I doubt he makes any noise

He s been quiet since Lebron joined the Lakers. I don't think it's a coincidence.

So what do you think is going on?

  • Media/public is tired of LaVar, and he's no longer generating traffic?
  • LeBron let it be known he's going to blackball anybody who reports on LaVar?
  • Or maybe the media is just trying to stay on LeBron's good side, and no threat from LeBron is actually needed?
  • LeBron has paid hush money to LaVar (Bill Simmons theory)?
  • Something else?
Its just a matter of time until he opens his mouth again. its in his DNA.

I put my money on the Lakers and Lebron telling him that his son will be traded if he opens his mouth.
Title: Re: Lonzo, 19 Minutes off the Bench
Post by: slamtheking on October 19, 2018, 02:47:43 PM
I doubt he makes any noise

He s been quiet since Lebron joined the Lakers. I don't think it's a coincidence.

So what do you think is going on?

  • Media/public is tired of LaVar, and he's no longer generating traffic?
  • LeBron let it be known he's going to blackball anybody who reports on LaVar?
  • Or maybe the media is just trying to stay on LeBron's good side, and no threat from LeBron is actually needed?
  • LeBron has paid hush money to LaVar (Bill Simmons theory)?
  • Something else?
Its just a matter of time until he opens his mouth again. its in his DNA.

I put my money on the Lakers and Lebron telling him that his son will be traded if he opens his mouth.
that would be my guess as well.  Lakers didn't land the best player in the game just to have to have him contend with the loudmouth dad trying to run his son's career and the Laker front office. 
Title: Re: Lonzo, 19 Minutes off the Bench
Post by: Who on October 19, 2018, 03:01:04 PM
The Lakers are paying Lavar Ball off, aren't they? Wasn't that in the press towards the end of last opening of free agency? That they put Lavar on the payroll so he wouldn't screw up the acquisition of LeBron James.
Title: Re: Lonzo, 19 Minutes off the Bench
Post by: Who on October 19, 2018, 03:03:22 PM
The Lakers should start Lonzo Ball at SG. He'd do great next to LeBron to Rondo. Ball would get much more open 3 point looks which would surely help him since he is a capable shooter but has a slow release which makes it hard for him on contested jumpers. I also think Lonzo's quick passing and cutting would be brilliant next to LeBron and Rondo. That extra strength that Lonzo has built up will help him a lot on cuts and lobs going to the basket.
Title: Re: Lonzo, 19 Minutes off the Bench
Post by: liam on October 19, 2018, 03:11:18 PM
The Lakers should start Lonzo Ball at SG. He'd do great next to LeBron to Rondo. Ball would get much more open 3 point looks which would surely help him since he is a capable shooter but has a slow release which makes it hard for him on contested jumpers. I also think Lonzo's quick passing and cutting would be brilliant next to LeBron and Rondo. That extra strength that Lonzo has built up will help him a lot on cuts and lobs going to the basket.

I think Hart should start. They definitely need more shooting on the floor with the starters.

Title: Re: Lonzo, 19 Minutes off the Bench
Post by: Big333223 on October 19, 2018, 04:09:39 PM
Lonzo did not start the game opener for the Lakers last night in favor of Rajon Rondo.

What's the track record for a player starting his rookie year and then being moved to the bench for his second year? That kind of backwards trajectory seems like a bad sign and I'm having trouble thinking of an all star that took a path like that.

It's too early to say he's been moved to the bench.

The reason for the low minutes and not starting is because he's on a minutes restriction coming back from a knee injury, only played 1 preseason game, missed most of training camp, etc.

TP. I didn't realize he was on a minutes restriction. It did seem weird.
Title: Re: Lonzo, 19 Minutes off the Bench
Post by: CelticSooner on October 19, 2018, 04:19:28 PM
The Lakers should start Lonzo Ball at SG. He'd do great next to LeBron to Rondo. Ball would get much more open 3 point looks which would surely help him since he is a capable shooter but has a slow release which makes it hard for him on contested jumpers. I also think Lonzo's quick passing and cutting would be brilliant next to LeBron and Rondo. That extra strength that Lonzo has built up will help him a lot on cuts and lobs going to the basket.

That sounds like a terrible idea. If Lonzo isn’t the PG he’s a wasted asset. Lakers either have high aspirations for him or they don’t. Lakers need to be careful with his development because GM LeBron obviously has no patience.
Title: Re: Lonzo, 19 Minutes off the Bench
Post by: nickagneta on October 19, 2018, 04:19:46 PM
I am sure this has to do with his minutes restriction coming back from surgery, but if he doesn't get his starting role back would that be a surprise? Rondo, for all his fleas, is still a better player than Ball.
Title: Re: Lonzo, 19 Minutes off the Bench
Post by: SHAQATTACK on October 19, 2018, 04:50:02 PM
I saw some good things from Lakers , most defense I ve seen in a while ,  Ball is a wasted pick IMO if Rondo doesn't come off the bench .  Hart will KCP at guard , he has guts and a decent shot   Lakers big weakness is pure shooters,  Ball is not a shooter , he  eeds to run the plays .  The energy level was fantastic for LA , THE HALF COURT sets were poor.  Not sure Bron and Rondo can play at this energy level and pace another 81 games.   
Title: Re: Lonzo, 19 Minutes off the Bench
Post by: Rondo9 on October 19, 2018, 06:07:25 PM
I am sure this has to do with his minutes restriction coming back from surgery, but if he doesn't get his starting role back would that be a surprise? Rondo, for all his fleas, is still a better player than Ball.

Rondo is a Dog? :D
Title: Re: Lonzo, 19 Minutes off the Bench
Post by: Moranis on October 19, 2018, 06:08:28 PM
I am sure this has to do with his minutes restriction coming back from surgery, but if he doesn't get his starting role back would that be a surprise? Rondo, for all his fleas, is still a better player than Ball.
I'm not really sure Rondo is better than a healthy Ball.  Certainly more seasoned, but I don't know if I would use the word better either. 
Title: Re: Lonzo, 19 Minutes off the Bench
Post by: Hoopvortex on October 19, 2018, 06:23:31 PM
I am sure this has to do with his minutes restriction coming back from surgery, but if he doesn't get his starting role back would that be a surprise? Rondo, for all his fleas, is still a better player than Ball.

Rondo is a Dog? :D

Yes, but his bark is worse than his bite.
Title: Re: Lonzo, 19 Minutes off the Bench
Post by: KGs Knee on October 19, 2018, 06:50:04 PM
I am sure this has to do with his minutes restriction coming back from surgery, but if he doesn't get his starting role back would that be a surprise? Rondo, for all his fleas, is still a better player than Ball.

Rondo doesn't get much respect around here these days, but the truth is he's still a very good player when he's engaged.
Title: Re: Lonzo, 19 Minutes off the Bench
Post by: gouki88 on October 19, 2018, 06:53:57 PM
I am sure this has to do with his minutes restriction coming back from surgery, but if he doesn't get his starting role back would that be a surprise? Rondo, for all his fleas, is still a better player than Ball.

Rondo doesn't get much respect around here these days, but the truth is he's still a very good player when he's engaged.
Yep! Better shooter, passer and decision maker than Ball. Plus his defensive reads and directions are probably more helpful than Lonzo’s average defensive ability.

Rondo is a good player and Ball is a very flawed player
Title: Re: Lonzo, 19 Minutes off the Bench
Post by: moiso on October 19, 2018, 07:17:35 PM
I am sure this has to do with his minutes restriction coming back from surgery, but if he doesn't get his starting role back would that be a surprise? Rondo, for all his fleas, is still a better player than Ball.
I'm not really sure Rondo is better than a healthy Ball.  Certainly more seasoned, but I don't know if I would use the word better either.
I agree with this post.  Nobody has seen second year Ball minus the anorexic body either.  Goukie- Ball is a special passer, and was rated as a very good defender last season.  I think his 3 point shooting and finishing at the rim will come around too.  I see the Lebron signing as a big blow to Ball’s development.
Title: Re: Lonzo, 19 Minutes off the Bench
Post by: gouki88 on October 19, 2018, 07:21:31 PM
I am sure this has to do with his minutes restriction coming back from surgery, but if he doesn't get his starting role back would that be a surprise? Rondo, for all his fleas, is still a better player than Ball.
I'm not really sure Rondo is better than a healthy Ball.  Certainly more seasoned, but I don't know if I would use the word better either.
I agree with this post.  Nobody has seen second year Ball minus the anorexic body either.  Goukie- Ball is a special passer, and was rated as a very good defender last season.  I think his 3 point shooting and finishing at the rim will come around too.  I see the Lebron signing as a big blow to Ball’s development.
He certainly is a special passer, but I have no idea how that is going to work with LeBron around for 4 years. I also think with that form he will never be a dangerous shooter. In his efforts to get his ugly shot up quickly so much can go wrong