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Quote from: johnnygreen on September 07, 2018, 05:09:41 PM“Believe in something, even if it means sacrificing everything.”Is it just me, or does the slogan not make sense if you have even just a vague understanding of Kaepernick’s situation? Yes, he kneeled during the anthem to protest against cops harassing/killing black men. However, in no way, shape or form did he ever imagine that his protest would lead him to not playing in the NFL again. There were also reports of him promising to not kneel during the anthem if he came back. I’m starting to get the impression that he would rather win his lawsuit against the NFL for monetary purposes, than to actually just play again.What reports were those?Do you have anything credible behind that? Otherwise these sort of comments just end up as unsupported aspersions that aren't really fair to the target.
“Believe in something, even if it means sacrificing everything.”Is it just me, or does the slogan not make sense if you have even just a vague understanding of Kaepernick’s situation? Yes, he kneeled during the anthem to protest against cops harassing/killing black men. However, in no way, shape or form did he ever imagine that his protest would lead him to not playing in the NFL again. There were also reports of him promising to not kneel during the anthem if he came back. I’m starting to get the impression that he would rather win his lawsuit against the NFL for monetary purposes, than to actually just play again.
Quote from: mmmmm on September 07, 2018, 05:13:40 PMQuote from: johnnygreen on September 07, 2018, 05:09:41 PM“Believe in something, even if it means sacrificing everything.”Is it just me, or does the slogan not make sense if you have even just a vague understanding of Kaepernick’s situation? Yes, he kneeled during the anthem to protest against cops harassing/killing black men. However, in no way, shape or form did he ever imagine that his protest would lead him to not playing in the NFL again. There were also reports of him promising to not kneel during the anthem if he came back. I’m starting to get the impression that he would rather win his lawsuit against the NFL for monetary purposes, than to actually just play again.What reports were those?Do you have anything credible behind that? Otherwise these sort of comments just end up as unsupported aspersions that aren't really fair to the target.Man this thread is very sensitive. Why does everyone have to provide credible sources all of a sudden? Are we suddenly a bunch of reporters working for a newspaper or news outlet?I remember hearing those reports on sports radio and reading them online. They may have been during his time when he worked out for Baltimore.
Quote from: mmmmm on September 07, 2018, 05:13:40 PMQuote from: johnnygreen on September 07, 2018, 05:09:41 PM“Believe in something, even if it means sacrificing everything.”Is it just me, or does the slogan not make sense if you have even just a vague understanding of Kaepernick’s situation? Yes, he kneeled during the anthem to protest against cops harassing/killing black men. However, in no way, shape or form did he ever imagine that his protest would lead him to not playing in the NFL again. There were also reports of him promising to not kneel during the anthem if he came back. I’m starting to get the impression that he would rather win his lawsuit against the NFL for monetary purposes, than to actually just play again.What reports were those?Do you have anything credible behind that? Otherwise these sort of comments just end up as unsupported aspersions that aren't really fair to the target.http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18805744/colin-kaepernick-stand-national-anthem-next-season
Courageous move by Nike.Thankful for Colin Kaepernick and others willing to stand for what they believe in.They are exhibiting what "I" served my country for - the RIGHT to do such things.
I just had to laugh at all the triggered MAGAs burning & cutting up Nike gear. That was golden & sad at the same time.
Quote from: JSD on September 07, 2018, 01:18:39 AMQuote from: bdm860 on September 06, 2018, 11:36:27 PMQuote from: JSD on September 06, 2018, 10:16:49 PMbut I would be lying if I said this will not influence my future sneaker purchasing decisionsI love when people vote with their wallets, best thing people can do. Wish more people did it.But I always find it odd when it happens.Nike has used sweatshop labor for years. You're okay supporting them with that, but not this? Nike avoids paying billions in US taxes. You're okay supporting them with that, but not this?I probably look at "sweatshops" a little differently than most, but I do agree that poverty in the developing world and some of the conditions people choose to work in is upsetting. People, even when making 3-7 times more, on average, than their fellow countrymen, should still be treated with dignity and respect. As far as taxes, the less the better. The corporate income tax rate, especially when people have to pay income tax, is way too high. So I think Nike has acted logically for a company trying to bring a good product to market, at an affordable price, while still turning a profit. Just to be clear, I'm not over here calling for a boycott or anything like that. I'm just saying that when it's time for me to pick up a new pair of sneakers, I probably won't be buying Nike. To me they are supporting anti-police rhetoric that is getting people killed.Interesting phrasing! Those silly sweatshop workers, working at sweatshops when they could simply find another less exploitative no-skills-no-training job in a third world country
Quote from: bdm860 on September 06, 2018, 11:36:27 PMQuote from: JSD on September 06, 2018, 10:16:49 PMbut I would be lying if I said this will not influence my future sneaker purchasing decisionsI love when people vote with their wallets, best thing people can do. Wish more people did it.But I always find it odd when it happens.Nike has used sweatshop labor for years. You're okay supporting them with that, but not this? Nike avoids paying billions in US taxes. You're okay supporting them with that, but not this?I probably look at "sweatshops" a little differently than most, but I do agree that poverty in the developing world and some of the conditions people choose to work in is upsetting. People, even when making 3-7 times more, on average, than their fellow countrymen, should still be treated with dignity and respect. As far as taxes, the less the better. The corporate income tax rate, especially when people have to pay income tax, is way too high. So I think Nike has acted logically for a company trying to bring a good product to market, at an affordable price, while still turning a profit. Just to be clear, I'm not over here calling for a boycott or anything like that. I'm just saying that when it's time for me to pick up a new pair of sneakers, I probably won't be buying Nike. To me they are supporting anti-police rhetoric that is getting people killed.
Quote from: JSD on September 06, 2018, 10:16:49 PMbut I would be lying if I said this will not influence my future sneaker purchasing decisionsI love when people vote with their wallets, best thing people can do. Wish more people did it.But I always find it odd when it happens.Nike has used sweatshop labor for years. You're okay supporting them with that, but not this? Nike avoids paying billions in US taxes. You're okay supporting them with that, but not this?
but I would be lying if I said this will not influence my future sneaker purchasing decisions
Quote from: GreenFaith1819 on September 08, 2018, 05:55:19 AMCourageous move by Nike.Thankful for Colin Kaepernick and others willing to stand for what they believe in.They are exhibiting what "I" served my country for - the RIGHT to do such things.The RIGHT to kneel? I disagree. Many here have argued they should be thrown in jail and I’m with them. Thank you for serving.
Quote from: JSD on September 07, 2018, 02:54:49 AMQuote from: The_Truth on September 07, 2018, 02:04:19 AMCan we go back to more basketball related topics?Posters have the option to not see current events if they choose. Contact a ModeratorAre you serious about that being an option? I would be interested in having CE hidden if so.
Quote from: The_Truth on September 07, 2018, 02:04:19 AMCan we go back to more basketball related topics?Posters have the option to not see current events if they choose. Contact a Moderator
Can we go back to more basketball related topics?
Quote from: nickagneta on September 07, 2018, 11:21:47 AMNot sure the ratings drop in NFL viewing is due to this controversy.Overall ratings for television viewership is down 16%. NFL programming was only down 10%.There you go with your counterfactuals again!
Not sure the ratings drop in NFL viewing is due to this controversy.Overall ratings for television viewership is down 16%. NFL programming was only down 10%.
GreenFaith1819, I was joking around, hence the wink. Nobody was making the argument you were refuting. Nobody said Kap didn’t have a right to do it.
Quote from: JSD on September 08, 2018, 08:02:01 AMGreenFaith1819, I was joking around, hence the wink. Nobody was making the argument you were refuting. Nobody said Kap didn’t have a right to do it.My bad, then...sensitive issues these are, TP.