What did we get for the Rozier Sign and Trade?

[Phantom255x]

Jared Weiss says a S&T here could still give us the 9.6M MLE and Bi-Annual one too. He apparently wrote this on The Athletic (paywall)

[ozgod]

how does a sign and trade work involving Walker and Rozier?

what does Hornets get out of it? What would the Celts?

can a cap expert lay it down .....

I'd like to know this too. I'm not too familiar with base level compensation and all that stuff as it applies here.

[jpotter33]

The Hornets might actually give the Cs something for Rozier.

https://twitter.com/adamhimmelsbach/status/1145525328149979136?s=21

I’d be happy with Willy Hernangomez

Doubt we could get Willy, but that would be pretty sweet. He's an underrated big that is great on the boards and has a pretty good post game. May even be worth throwing in a second rounder or late first round pick to get him if we don't land anything else of significance for the center spot in free agency.

[Tr1boy]

But a league source refuted that the trade will enable the Celtics to use the full $9.3 million mid-level exception on another free agent. The Celtics remain in the market for a replacement big man, but according to the source are still limited to offering a $4.7 “room” exception to prospective candidates.

....  9.3 million but limited to 4.7?

or does this mean, team can spend 4.7 x 2 (approx) just not all 9.3 on one player

[Cousy14]

But a league source refuted that the trade will enable the Celtics to use the full $9.3 million mid-level exception on another free agent. The Celtics remain in the market for a replacement big man, but according to the source are still limited to offering a $4.7 “room” exception to prospective candidates.

....  9.3 million but limited to 4.7?

or does this mean, team can spend 4.7 x 2 just not all 9.3 on one player

Then why did we do it?

[Roy H.]

But a league source refuted that the trade will enable the Celtics to use the full $9.3 million mid-level exception on another free agent. The Celtics remain in the market for a replacement big man, but according to the source are still limited to offering a $4.7 “room” exception to prospective candidates.

Correct, unless Brooklyn or Philly joins the trade.

[jpotter33]

how does a sign and trade work involving Walker and Rozier?

what does Hornets get out of it? What would the Celts?

can a cap expert lay it down .....

I'd like to know this too. I'm not too familiar with base level compensation and all that stuff as it applies here.

As a BYC player, Rozier's starting year salary (around $18M) will only count as half for outgoing trade salary - so roughly $9M. We'd then just renounce the rights to the rest of our free agents sans Theis and take the rest of Kemba's salary into the remaining cap room that we have.

The problem with this route is it only gives us access to the Room Exception as a team using cap space to sign players, which is only $4.7M or so. If we include a third team do a S&T with either Horford or Kyrie and then use that TPE in the trade for Kemba, that allows us access to the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception of around $9.3M as a team over the cap. This is why we are trying to get Kyrie or Horford to do a S&T with us.

EDIT: But hey, if we could get Wily out of this that might not be too bad. He's a solid young center prospect.

[Jiri Welsch]

But a league source refuted that the trade will enable the Celtics to use the full $9.3 million mid-level exception on another free agent. The Celtics remain in the market for a replacement big man, but according to the source are still limited to offering a $4.7 “room” exception to prospective candidates.

....  9.3 million but limited to 4.7?

or does this mean, team can spend 4.7 x 2 (approx) just not all 9.3 on one player

As I read it, that quote is saying the Celtics can only spend the 4.7 room exception

[Tr1boy]

how does a sign and trade work involving Walker and Rozier?

what does Hornets get out of it? What would the Celts?

can a cap expert lay it down .....

I'd like to know this too. I'm not too familiar with base level compensation and all that stuff as it applies here.

As a BYC player, Rozier's starting year salary (around $18M) will only count as half for outgoing trade salary - so roughly $9M. We'd then just renounce the rights to the rest of our free agents sans Theis and take the rest of Kemba's salary into the remaining cap room that we have.

The problem with this route is it only gives us access to the Room Exception as a team using cap space to sign players, which is only $4.7M or so. If we include a third team do a S&T with either Horford or Kyrie and then use that TPE in the trade for Kemba, that allows us access to the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception of around $9.3M as a team over the cap. This is why we are trying to get Kyrie or Horford to do a S&T with us.

EDIT: But hey, if we could get Wily out of this that might not be too bad. He's a solid young center prospect.

thanks for some details...

so like the other user asked

what was the point of this trade?

Celts would have the mid level exception regardless of sign and trade...

why would the Celts be better off doing a S&T and why would Hornets be better off?

Why would the Hornets likely need to include some kind of compensation?

[Roy H.]

how does a sign and trade work involving Walker and Rozier?

what does Hornets get out of it? What would the Celts?

can a cap expert lay it down .....

I'd like to know this too. I'm not too familiar with base level compensation and all that stuff as it applies here.

As a BYC player, Rozier's starting year salary (around $18M) will only count as half for outgoing trade salary - so roughly $9M. We'd then just renounce the rights to the rest of our free agents sans Theis and take the rest of Kemba's salary into the remaining cap room that we have.

The problem with this route is it only gives us access to the Room Exception as a team using cap space to sign players, which is only $4.7M or so. If we include a third team do a S&T with either Horford or Kyrie and then use that TPE in the trade for Kemba, that allows us access to the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception of around $9.3M as a team over the cap. This is why we are trying to get Kyrie or Horford to do a S&T with us.

EDIT: But hey, if we could get Wily out of this that might not be too bad. He's a solid young center prospect.

so like the other user asked

what was the point of this trade?

Celts would have the mid level exception regardless of sign and trade...

why would the Celts be better off doing a S&T and why would Hornets be better off?

Why would the Hornets likely need to include some kind of compensation?

The Hornets needed to do a S&T to get Rozier. They’re giving us a presumably small asset to facilitate that deal.

[Tr1boy]

how does a sign and trade work involving Walker and Rozier?

what does Hornets get out of it? What would the Celts?

can a cap expert lay it down .....

I'd like to know this too. I'm not too familiar with base level compensation and all that stuff as it applies here.

As a BYC player, Rozier's starting year salary (around $18M) will only count as half for outgoing trade salary - so roughly $9M. We'd then just renounce the rights to the rest of our free agents sans Theis and take the rest of Kemba's salary into the remaining cap room that we have.

The problem with this route is it only gives us access to the Room Exception as a team using cap space to sign players, which is only $4.7M or so. If we include a third team do a S&T with either Horford or Kyrie and then use that TPE in the trade for Kemba, that allows us access to the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception of around $9.3M as a team over the cap. This is why we are trying to get Kyrie or Horford to do a S&T with us.

EDIT: But hey, if we could get Wily out of this that might not be too bad. He's a solid young center prospect.

so like the other user asked

what was the point of this trade?

Celts would have the mid level exception regardless of sign and trade...

why would the Celts be better off doing a S&T and why would Hornets be better off?

Why would the Hornets likely need to include some kind of compensation?

The Hornets needed to do a S&T to get Rozier. They’re giving us a presumably small asset to facilitate that deal.

Thanks Roy

https://hoopshype.com/salaries/charlotte_hornets/

I can't believe even without Walker,  they have a pretty big payroll

I mean....wow

[gouki88]

how does a sign and trade work involving Walker and Rozier?

what does Hornets get out of it? What would the Celts?

can a cap expert lay it down .....

I'd like to know this too. I'm not too familiar with base level compensation and all that stuff as it applies here.

As a BYC player, Rozier's starting year salary (around $18M) will only count as half for outgoing trade salary - so roughly $9M. We'd then just renounce the rights to the rest of our free agents sans Theis and take the rest of Kemba's salary into the remaining cap room that we have.

The problem with this route is it only gives us access to the Room Exception as a team using cap space to sign players, which is only $4.7M or so. If we include a third team do a S&T with either Horford or Kyrie and then use that TPE in the trade for Kemba, that allows us access to the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception of around $9.3M as a team over the cap. This is why we are trying to get Kyrie or Horford to do a S&T with us.

EDIT: But hey, if we could get Wily out of this that might not be too bad. He's a solid young center prospect.

so like the other user asked

what was the point of this trade?

Celts would have the mid level exception regardless of sign and trade...

why would the Celts be better off doing a S&T and why would Hornets be better off?

Why would the Hornets likely need to include some kind of compensation?

The Hornets needed to do a S&T to get Rozier. They’re giving us a presumably small asset to facilitate that deal.

Thanks Roy

https://hoopshype.com/salaries/charlotte_hornets/

I can't believe even without Walker,  they have a pretty big payroll

I mean....wow

Batum's agent is a genius!

[jpotter33]

how does a sign and trade work involving Walker and Rozier?

what does Hornets get out of it? What would the Celts?

can a cap expert lay it down .....

I'd like to know this too. I'm not too familiar with base level compensation and all that stuff as it applies here.

As a BYC player, Rozier's starting year salary (around $18M) will only count as half for outgoing trade salary - so roughly $9M. We'd then just renounce the rights to the rest of our free agents sans Theis and take the rest of Kemba's salary into the remaining cap room that we have.

The problem with this route is it only gives us access to the Room Exception as a team using cap space to sign players, which is only $4.7M or so. If we include a third team do a S&T with either Horford or Kyrie and then use that TPE in the trade for Kemba, that allows us access to the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception of around $9.3M as a team over the cap. This is why we are trying to get Kyrie or Horford to do a S&T with us.

EDIT: But hey, if we could get Wily out of this that might not be too bad. He's a solid young center prospect.

so like the other user asked

what was the point of this trade?

Celts would have the mid level exception regardless of sign and trade...

why would the Celts be better off doing a S&T and why would Hornets be better off?

Why would the Hornets likely need to include some kind of compensation?

The Hornets needed to do a S&T to get Rozier. They’re giving us a presumably small asset to facilitate that deal.

This.

Specifically, there are two reasons to do this:

First, this allows the possibility of adding a third team to the deal with a S&T of Horford or Kyrie, which as stated above gives us access to a higher exception to use on a player.

Second, if not a three-team deal, this is a bit of goodwill to Charlotte, who couldn't have signed Rozier otherwise. So not only will we be able to get some compensation for helping them out if it's just a two-team deal (come on Willy!), it also shows goodwill around the league and builds rapport with Charlotte for future potential trades, along with facilitating Rozier getting a big contract. Good optics and relationship-building at the very least.

[Tr1boy]

how does a sign and trade work involving Walker and Rozier?

what does Hornets get out of it? What would the Celts?

can a cap expert lay it down .....

I'd like to know this too. I'm not too familiar with base level compensation and all that stuff as it applies here.

As a BYC player, Rozier's starting year salary (around $18M) will only count as half for outgoing trade salary - so roughly $9M. We'd then just renounce the rights to the rest of our free agents sans Theis and take the rest of Kemba's salary into the remaining cap room that we have.

The problem with this route is it only gives us access to the Room Exception as a team using cap space to sign players, which is only $4.7M or so. If we include a third team do a S&T with either Horford or Kyrie and then use that TPE in the trade for Kemba, that allows us access to the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception of around $9.3M as a team over the cap. This is why we are trying to get Kyrie or Horford to do a S&T with us.

EDIT: But hey, if we could get Wily out of this that might not be too bad. He's a solid young center prospect.

so like the other user asked

what was the point of this trade?

Celts would have the mid level exception regardless of sign and trade...

why would the Celts be better off doing a S&T and why would Hornets be better off?

Why would the Hornets likely need to include some kind of compensation?

The Hornets needed to do a S&T to get Rozier. They’re giving us a presumably small asset to facilitate that deal.

Thanks Roy

https://hoopshype.com/salaries/charlotte_hornets/

I can't believe even without Walker,  they have a pretty big payroll

I mean....wow

Batum's agent is a genius!

seriously

and Biyombo, Cody Zeller, Marvin Williams, MKG

avg 15 million per season

I mean... lollll!

[ETNCeltics]

how does a sign and trade work involving Walker and Rozier?

what does Hornets get out of it? What would the Celts?

can a cap expert lay it down .....

I'd like to know this too. I'm not too familiar with base level compensation and all that stuff as it applies here.

As a BYC player, Rozier's starting year salary (around $18M) will only count as half for outgoing trade salary - so roughly $9M. We'd then just renounce the rights to the rest of our free agents sans Theis and take the rest of Kemba's salary into the remaining cap room that we have.

The problem with this route is it only gives us access to the Room Exception as a team using cap space to sign players, which is only $4.7M or so. If we include a third team do a S&T with either Horford or Kyrie and then use that TPE in the trade for Kemba, that allows us access to the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception of around $9.3M as a team over the cap. This is why we are trying to get Kyrie or Horford to do a S&T with us.

EDIT: But hey, if we could get Wily out of this that might not be too bad. He's a solid young center prospect.

thanks for some details...

so like the other user asked

what was the point of this trade?

Celts would have the mid level exception regardless of sign and trade...

why would the Celts be better off doing a S&T and why would Hornets be better off?

Why would the Hornets likely need to include some kind of compensation?

I would guess a 2nd round draft pick.