The Worst Kind of Team to have at the Trade Deadline

[Chef Parish]

An underachieving .500 team like the Celtics.

[Rosco917]

Underachieving is the key word here.

The truth is, no matter how you spin it "they" don't play well together consistently. Because if they honestly did play well together, the record would indicate it. The record would indicate that certain pieces should be added to this core to take the next step.

Both are small forwards with a questionable ball handle skills, shoot first and ask questions later, they have to be continually reminded to pass the ball, and the league is wise to it. Just ask Embiid. The Celtics are easy to prepare for. Both Kyrie and Hayward didn't see potential enough to wait for the young players to develop.

The worst kind of team to have at the trade deadline is an underachieving, predictable one, everyone in the league is wise to.

Why look for a Point Guard if he'll be ignored?   

   

[Jiri Welsch]

It's only the worst kind of team if management is unwilling to admit this isn't working. For the fans that watch every game, it's apparent a change is needed ASAP.

At the outset of the season, management was either reluctant to admit or oblivious to the fact that this is a bridge year.

At this point the only justification I can see for standing pat at the deadline (as opposed to selling off pieces) is that they need some of those contracts in the offseason.

[showtime]

Underachieving is the key word here.

The truth is, no matter how you spin it "they" don't play well together consistently. Because if they honestly did play well together, the record would indicate it. The record would indicate that certain pieces should be added to this core to take the next step.

Both are small forwards with a questionable ball handle skills, shoot first and ask questions later, they have to be continually reminded to pass the ball, and the league is wise to it. Just ask Embiid. The Celtics are easy to prepare for. Both Kyrie and Hayward didn't see potential enough to wait for the young players to develop.

The worst kind of team to have at the trade deadline is an underachieving, predictable one, everyone in the league is wise to.

Why look for a Point Guard if he'll be ignored?   

   

100% agree!

[Surferdad]

It's only the worst kind of team if management is unwilling to admit this isn't working. For the fans that watch every game, it's apparent a change is needed ASAP.

At the outset of the season, management was either reluctant to admit or oblivious to the fact that this is a bridge year.

At this point the only justification I can see for standing pat at the deadline (as opposed to selling off pieces) is that they need some of those contracts in the offseason.

I don’t think management is oblivious.  How else can you explain the Ukoka hiring?  If this was THE year, you hire an experienced coach.

As far as the contracts, yes absolutely they could be valuable in trade, but possibly equally or more valuable to let them expire. 

[Who]

It's only the worst kind of team if management is unwilling to admit this isn't working. For the fans that watch every game, it's apparent a change is needed ASAP.

At the outset of the season, management was either reluctant to admit or oblivious to the fact that this is a bridge year.

At this point the only justification I can see for standing pat at the deadline (as opposed to selling off pieces) is that they need some of those contracts in the offseason.

I don’t think management is oblivious. How else can you explain the Ukoka hiring?  If this was THE year, you hire an experienced coach.

As far as the contracts, yes absolutely they could be valuable in trade, but possibly equally or more valuable to let them expire.

Reminds me of Sam Presti firing Scotty Brooks -- way overdue firing -- and OKC look set to finally have a top notch coach for Durant and Westbrook.

Instead, Presti signs an NCAA coach in Billy Donovan. Durant was gone the next summer.

You don't want to screw around when players reach win-now periods of their careers. It is like Shaq in 1999; he needed Phil Jackson. In 2006, Shaq needed a proven winner like Pat Riley instead of an up-and-coming talented coach in Stan Van Gundy. You gotta deliver those Championship expectations.

The Celtics (Tatum, Jaylen) are not quite as far along as Durant was at that point in his career but they are getting closer. They're getting closer all the time.

They need WINNERS. They need to show they are seriously about Championships. They need to prove to Jaylen and Tatum that this is a place they want to be long term because we are getting close to the point where they start questioning that.

This team has declined year-on-year for 3 seasons now and looks stuck as a middle of the pack ball-club. They gotta change that and show this is a team that is on the Championship hunt.


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How different might the last 5 years of the NBA be if Sam Presti and OKC went out and delivered a Phil Jackson type coach to Durant and Westbrook at that time?

Right when they are on the cusp of winning a title.

Not a time to hire rookie (NBA wise) coaches.

You gotta deliver winners.

[footey]

It's only the worst kind of team if management is unwilling to admit this isn't working. For the fans that watch every game, it's apparent a change is needed ASAP.

At the outset of the season, management was either reluctant to admit or oblivious to the fact that this is a bridge year.

At this point the only justification I can see for standing pat at the deadline (as opposed to selling off pieces) is that they need some of those contracts in the offseason.

I don’t think management is oblivious. How else can you explain the Ukoka hiring?  If this was THE year, you hire an experienced coach.

As far as the contracts, yes absolutely they could be valuable in trade, but possibly equally or more valuable to let them expire.

Reminds me of Sam Presti firing Scotty Brooks -- way overdue firing -- and OKC look set to finally have a top notch coach for Durant and Westbrook.

Instead, Presti signs an NCAA coach in Billy Donovan. Durant was gone the next summer.

You don't want to screw around when players reach win-now periods of their careers. It is like Shaq in 1999; he needed Phil Jackson. In 2006, Shaq needed a proven winner like Pat Riley instead of an up-and-coming talented coach in Stan Van Gundy. You gotta deliver those Championship expectations.

The Celtics (Tatum, Jaylen) are not quite as far along as Durant was at that point in his career but they are getting closer. They're getting closer all the time.

They need WINNERS. They need to show they are seriously about Championships. They need to prove to Jaylen and Tatum that this is a place they want to be long term because we are getting close to the point where they start questioning that.

This team has declined year-on-year for 3 seasons now and looks stuck as a middle of the pack ball-club. They gotta change that and show this is a team that is on the Championship hunt.


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How different might the last 5 years of the NBA be if Sam Presti and OKC went out and delivered a Phil Jackson type coach to Durant and Westbrook at that time?

Right when they are on the cusp of winning a title.

Not a time to hire rookie (NBA wise) coaches.

You gotta deliver winners.

Didn’t  stop Durant from signing with Nets and their rookie coach.

[Ogaju]

It's only the worst kind of team if management is unwilling to admit this isn't working. For the fans that watch every game, it's apparent a change is needed ASAP.

At the outset of the season, management was either reluctant to admit or oblivious to the fact that this is a bridge year.

At this point the only justification I can see for standing pat at the deadline (as opposed to selling off pieces) is that they need some of those contracts in the offseason.

I don’t think management is oblivious. How else can you explain the Ukoka hiring?  If this was THE year, you hire an experienced coach.

As far as the contracts, yes absolutely they could be valuable in trade, but possibly equally or more valuable to let them expire.

Reminds me of Sam Presti firing Scotty Brooks -- way overdue firing -- and OKC look set to finally have a top notch coach for Durant and Westbrook.

Instead, Presti signs an NCAA coach in Billy Donovan. Durant was gone the next summer.

You don't want to screw around when players reach win-now periods of their careers. It is like Shaq in 1999; he needed Phil Jackson. In 2006, Shaq needed a proven winner like Pat Riley instead of an up-and-coming talented coach in Stan Van Gundy. You gotta deliver those Championship expectations.

The Celtics (Tatum, Jaylen) are not quite as far along as Durant was at that point in his career but they are getting closer. They're getting closer all the time.

They need WINNERS. They need to show they are seriously about Championships. They need to prove to Jaylen and Tatum that this is a place they want to be long term because we are getting close to the point where they start questioning that.

This team has declined year-on-year for 3 seasons now and looks stuck as a middle of the pack ball-club. They gotta change that and show this is a team that is on the Championship hunt.


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How different might the last 5 years of the NBA be if Sam Presti and OKC went out and delivered a Phil Jackson type coach to Durant and Westbrook at that time?

Right when they are on the cusp of winning a title.

Not a time to hire rookie (NBA wise) coaches.

You gotta deliver winners.

Didn’t  stop Durant from signing with Nets and their rookie coach.

Kenny Atkinson was not a rookie head coach when KD signed with Nets. By the way, didn’t Kyrie anoint himself and KD as the real coaches of the Nets?

[Rosco917]

Ime was hired to wether the growing pains and gain realtime experience as head coach. IMO the Celtics will do little to improve this team at the deadline. Perhaps move D.S for a pick or reserve player. Management knows this team is underachieving and why. They're patiently waiting for the J's to come close to fully maturing, to see if anything really changes, before having to pay over the Cap for a 3rd Star so many are drooling for. They have a plan...just not for this year.

It was different when they signed Kyrie, Horford, and Hayward, the J's were on rookie contracts. I'm sure ownership will make the investment next season or the season after, because after that, it may be too late.