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Re: When should the seat start to get hot?
« Reply #30 on: November 24, 2021, 10:35:15 PM »

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Sometime in 2023 if things are bad this year and the first half of next. I don't think they will be btw, they've found something here recently.
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Re: When should the seat start to get hot?
« Reply #31 on: November 25, 2021, 12:15:52 AM »

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I have no confidence in Udoka at this point. Felt like the game tonight vs the Nets was doomed from the beginning, starting Grant Williams and asking him cover Durant, Harden, and Mills. Think he gave up half of the Nets points in the first quarter either directly with guys scoring on him or indirectly when the other Cís players had to try to help defensively, leaving the opponent with wide open shots and layups. He should have never been starting considering the players Brooklyn was putting out there. Udoka insists on his ďtwo bigĒ lineup instead of starting Schroder, Smart, Brown, Tatum and Horford which would have been a much better matchup. There were periods early in the game when Tatum, Brown and Horford were all out of the game at the same time. That should never happen in a close game. Nesmith should not have been playing early on. Heís shown that heís just not ready. Romeo should have been getting his minutes as he has been consistent all year. More Mismanagement.

Then we have the endless 3 point shooting. Cís finished the game 11-48 from 3pt. How can that possibly be your strategy considering how few good 3pt shooters are on the roster? It just doesnít make any sense. The coach needs to put the team in a position to win games and it doesnít seem like heís able to do so, especially against quality opponents. I canít see the Cís being much better than a .500 team with Udoka as HC. They have enough talent on the roster, but Ime doesnít know how to put the pieces together and Iím not sure that he ever will.

*Update: 26 NBA teams played tonight and the Cís attempted more 3pt shots than any of them.
« Last Edit: November 25, 2021, 10:11:29 AM by Goldstar88 »

Re: When should the seat start to get hot?
« Reply #32 on: November 26, 2021, 10:58:24 PM »

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If the seat isn't red hot for the Head Coach, GM and roster, I don't know when it will ever be. Sadly, it appears we've become a franchise that accepts mediocrity and that starts with ownership.

Re: When should the seat start to get hot?
« Reply #33 on: November 26, 2021, 11:02:30 PM »

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I have no confidence in Udoka at this point. Felt like the game tonight vs the Nets was doomed from the beginning, starting Grant Williams and asking him cover Durant, Harden, and Mills. Think he gave up half of the Nets points in the first quarter either directly with guys scoring on him or indirectly when the other Cís players had to try to help defensively, leaving the opponent with wide open shots and layups. He should have never been starting considering the players Brooklyn was putting out there. Udoka insists on his ďtwo bigĒ lineup instead of starting Schroder, Smart, Brown, Tatum and Horford which would have been a much better matchup. There were periods early in the game when Tatum, Brown and Horford were all out of the game at the same time. That should never happen in a close game. Nesmith should not have been playing early on. Heís shown that heís just not ready. Romeo should have been getting his minutes as he has been consistent all year. More Mismanagement.

Then we have the endless 3 point shooting. Cís finished the game 11-48 from 3pt. How can that possibly be your strategy considering how few good 3pt shooters are on the roster? It just doesnít make any sense. The coach needs to put the team in a position to win games and it doesnít seem like heís able to do so, especially against quality opponents. I canít see the Cís being much better than a .500 team with Udoka as HC. They have enough talent on the roster, but Ime doesnít know how to put the pieces together and Iím not sure that he ever will.

*Update: 26 NBA teams played tonight and the Cís attempted more 3pt shots than any of them.

Team-wide heat check after the  magnificent shooting  v. Brooklyn.

Re: When should the seat start to get hot?
« Reply #34 on: November 28, 2021, 10:44:23 PM »

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I browsed this thread for the first time.

This is nuts.

No one is on the 'hot seat', least of all Ime Udoka. He wouldn't be on that seat even if he'd had all his players available, probably not even if Jayson Tatum had not been shooting epically badly.

If you think that Ime has coached badly, consider that it's just possible that you don't understand what an NBA coach does.

I'm not calling anyone out. I don't care to point fingers and I'm not attached to being right.
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Re: When should the seat start to get hot?
« Reply #35 on: November 29, 2021, 04:03:08 AM »

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You pink hat fans continue to call out coaching when in fact itís the player Smart and player Tatum
Both must go

Brown is the player to build around

Get it through your head

This is like when I agree with republicans.
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Re: When should the seat start to get hot?
« Reply #36 on: November 29, 2021, 07:12:55 AM »

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I have no confidence in Udoka at this point. Felt like the game tonight vs the Nets was doomed from the beginning, starting Grant Williams and asking him cover Durant, Harden, and Mills. Think he gave up half of the Nets points in the first quarter either directly with guys scoring on him or indirectly when the other Cís players had to try to help defensively, leaving the opponent with wide open shots and layups. He should have never been starting considering the players Brooklyn was putting out there. Udoka insists on his ďtwo bigĒ lineup instead of starting Schroder, Smart, Brown, Tatum and Horford which would have been a much better matchup. There were periods early in the game when Tatum, Brown and Horford were all out of the game at the same time. That should never happen in a close game. Nesmith should not have been playing early on. Heís shown that heís just not ready. Romeo should have been getting his minutes as he has been consistent all year. More Mismanagement.

Then we have the endless 3 point shooting. Cís finished the game 11-48 from 3pt. How can that possibly be your strategy considering how few good 3pt shooters are on the roster? It just doesnít make any sense. The coach needs to put the team in a position to win games and it doesnít seem like heís able to do so, especially against quality opponents. I canít see the Cís being much better than a .500 team with Udoka as HC. They have enough talent on the roster, but Ime doesnít know how to put the pieces together and Iím not sure that he ever will.

*Update: 26 NBA teams played tonight and the Cís attempted more 3pt shots than any of them.

Thatís one game. For the year, the Cs are right in the middle of the NBA for 3-point attempts. https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/three-pointers-attempted-per-game

Re: When should the seat start to get hot?
« Reply #37 on: November 29, 2021, 11:56:28 AM »

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I have no confidence in Udoka at this point. Felt like the game tonight vs the Nets was doomed from the beginning, starting Grant Williams and asking him cover Durant, Harden, and Mills. Think he gave up half of the Nets points in the first quarter either directly with guys scoring on him or indirectly when the other Cís players had to try to help defensively, leaving the opponent with wide open shots and layups. He should have never been starting considering the players Brooklyn was putting out there. Udoka insists on his ďtwo bigĒ lineup instead of starting Schroder, Smart, Brown, Tatum and Horford which would have been a much better matchup. There were periods early in the game when Tatum, Brown and Horford were all out of the game at the same time. That should never happen in a close game. Nesmith should not have been playing early on. Heís shown that heís just not ready. Romeo should have been getting his minutes as he has been consistent all year. More Mismanagement.

Then we have the endless 3 point shooting. Cís finished the game 11-48 from 3pt. How can that possibly be your strategy considering how few good 3pt shooters are on the roster? It just doesnít make any sense. The coach needs to put the team in a position to win games and it doesnít seem like heís able to do so, especially against quality opponents. I canít see the Cís being much better than a .500 team with Udoka as HC. They have enough talent on the roster, but Ime doesnít know how to put the pieces together and Iím not sure that he ever will.

*Update: 26 NBA teams played tonight and the Cís attempted more 3pt shots than any of them.

Thatís one game. For the year, the Cs are right in the middle of the NBA for 3-point attempts. https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/three-pointers-attempted-per-game


Celtics are currently 12th out of 30 teams for most 3pt attempts. If you average the 3pt shooting percentages of Schroder, Smart, Brown, Tatum and Horford you get 31%. The only teams that attempt more 3pt shots than the Cís and have a lower percentage of making them are Detroit and Orlando. Sound like a recipe for success?
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Re: When should the seat start to get hot?
« Reply #38 on: November 29, 2021, 12:02:14 PM »

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It's hot already

it was boiling when Danny parted.

Itís been warm since BS took overÖ..as it should Ö..he is part of the last regime.

I can feel the pressure from as a fan from the distance , I imagine itís warmer than any of the current Mgmt want to admit.  Regardless of the spin they put out.

These are high paying jobs with winning  business results expected .
« Last Edit: December 01, 2021, 08:15:47 AM by SHAQATTACK »

Re: When should the seat start to get hot?
« Reply #39 on: November 29, 2021, 02:00:02 PM »

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You don't hire a new GM and coach and then replace them one year later unless the team seriously implodes and massively underperforms. So, unless the Celtics finish the season with a locker room in chaos and a record that puts them deep into the lottery, there is no hot seat this year. And this team has too much talent to finish any worse than .500. Their February and March schedule is unbelievably easier than the upcoming 6 week December/January run. A 12-12 record over the next 24 games probably puts this team with a record near 47-50 wins

Re: When should the seat start to get hot?
« Reply #40 on: November 29, 2021, 04:39:25 PM »

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It won't happen during the season barring some unlikely catastrophe, so put your big boy pants back on and stop whining.

Re: When should the seat start to get hot?
« Reply #41 on: December 01, 2021, 07:58:30 AM »

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I think Smart felt a little heat, and he responded by playing a lot better.  No one else has an even warm seat.
I was finally wrong. Boston not only didn't win in 5, but didn't win at all.

Re: When should the seat start to get hot?
« Reply #42 on: December 01, 2021, 09:47:11 AM »

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You don't hire a new GM and coach and then replace them one year later unless the team seriously implodes and massively underperforms. So, unless the Celtics finish the season with a locker room in chaos and a record that puts them deep into the lottery, there is no hot seat this year. And this team has too much talent to finish any worse than .500. Their February and March schedule is unbelievably easier than the upcoming 6 week December/January run. A 12-12 record over the next 24 games probably puts this team with a record near 47-50 wins

Yes it would be the ultimate in overreacting. Especially if you consider that fact that we threw away 6 games where we were in winning positions in (vs NY in 2OT, vs Was in 2OT, vs Chi where we led by 25+ but collapsed in the 4th, vs Dallas where we got Doncic'd, vs Cle where the Cavs won with 2 last second free throws, and vs Spurs where we fell behind by 26, fought back to lead by 7 then were outscored by 15 to lose). It's a game of if, but if we had withstood those opposition runs when we were in winning positions we could easily be 17-4 and heading the EC right now. Those losses were not because we got blown away and outplayed for the whole game but where we squandered winning positions and lost key moments in the games.

Obviously we didn't deserve to win them but it's a different story when you lose key moments vs where you were never in the game to begin with. The former speaks to mental issues, the latter to talent or composition issues. Their inconsistency on the court is why they are where they are, which to me is less to do with Ime and more to do with the players applying themselves for the full 48 minutes.

All that said, I'm not totally sold on Ime yet. But he deserves a much longer rope than a lot of fans, with our instant gratification mentality today, are willing to give.
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Re: When should the seat start to get hot?
« Reply #43 on: December 01, 2021, 10:18:32 AM »

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You don't hire a new GM and coach and then replace them one year later unless the team seriously implodes and massively underperforms. So, unless the Celtics finish the season with a locker room in chaos and a record that puts them deep into the lottery, there is no hot seat this year. And this team has too much talent to finish any worse than .500. Their February and March schedule is unbelievably easier than the upcoming 6 week December/January run. A 12-12 record over the next 24 games probably puts this team with a record near 47-50 wins

Yes it would be the ultimate in overreacting. Especially if you consider that fact that we threw away 6 games where we were in winning positions in (vs NY in 2OT, vs Was in 2OT, vs Chi where we led by 25+ but collapsed in the 4th, vs Dallas where we got Doncic'd, vs Cle where the Cavs won with 2 last second free throws, and vs Spurs where we fell behind by 26, fought back to lead by 7 then were outscored by 15 to lose). It's a game of if, but if we had withstood those opposition runs when we were in winning positions we could easily be 17-4 and heading the EC right now. Those losses were not because we got blown away and outplayed for the whole game but where we squandered winning positions and lost key moments in the games.

Obviously we didn't deserve to win them but it's a different story when you lose key moments vs where you were never in the game to begin with. The former speaks to mental issues, the latter to talent or composition issues. Their inconsistency on the court is why they are where they are, which to me is less to do with Ime and more to do with the players applying themselves for the full 48 minutes.


All that said, I'm not totally sold on Ime yet. But he deserves a much longer rope than a lot of fans, with our instant gratification mentality today, are willing to give.
I think you captured the situation pretty well - TP

Re: When should the seat start to get hot?
« Reply #44 on: December 01, 2021, 01:36:57 PM »

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You don't hire a new GM and coach and then replace them one year later unless the team seriously implodes and massively underperforms. So, unless the Celtics finish the season with a locker room in chaos and a record that puts them deep into the lottery, there is no hot seat this year. And this team has too much talent to finish any worse than .500. Their February and March schedule is unbelievably easier than the upcoming 6 week December/January run. A 12-12 record over the next 24 games probably puts this team with a record near 47-50 wins

Yes it would be the ultimate in overreacting. Especially if you consider that fact that we threw away 6 games where we were in winning positions in (vs NY in 2OT, vs Was in 2OT, vs Chi where we led by 25+ but collapsed in the 4th, vs Dallas where we got Doncic'd, vs Cle where the Cavs won with 2 last second free throws, and vs Spurs where we fell behind by 26, fought back to lead by 7 then were outscored by 15 to lose). It's a game of if, but if we had withstood those opposition runs when we were in winning positions we could easily be 17-4 and heading the EC right now. Those losses were not because we got blown away and outplayed for the whole game but where we squandered winning positions and lost key moments in the games.

Obviously we didn't deserve to win them but it's a different story when you lose key moments vs where you were never in the game to begin with. The former speaks to mental issues, the latter to talent or composition issues. Their inconsistency on the court is why they are where they are, which to me is less to do with Ime and more to do with the players applying themselves for the full 48 minutes.


All that said, I'm not totally sold on Ime yet. But he deserves a much longer rope than a lot of fans, with our instant gratification mentality today, are willing to give.
I think you captured the situation pretty well - TP
Or it is in fact coaching that leads to the mental issues and breakdown of focus.
I was finally wrong. Boston not only didn't win in 5, but didn't win at all.