Jaylen Brown article and his views on basketball and social reform issues

[Celtics4ever]

Essential Meaning of equity
1 formal : fairness or justice in the way people are treated In making these decisions we should be governed by the principle of equity.
2 finance : the value of a piece of property (such as a house) after any debts that remain to be paid for it (such as the amount of a mortgage) have been subtracted We've been slowly paying off our mortgage and building up equity in our house. a home equity loan [=a loan based on the amount of equity you have in your home]
3 : a share in a company : a share of a company's stock

My point was:
1) That even programs to create equity invariably create inequity.   See https://asianamericanforeducation.org/en/issue/discrimination-on-admissions/  and I am not Asian.
2) People are not equal, in ability, so can you ever create true equity.  Everyone I am sure, believes in equal justice  for society is something we should strive for, but the bottom line is how can you achieve equity and equal outcomes from said treatment when all people are different?   Different ability, different ambitions, and the casual variabilities that come daily with the randomness of life?

Your never going to get equal outcomes from equal treatment. I believe we should strive for it but it's a pipedream.   We all want equality of opportunity but you will never get equality of outcome because of some of the things mentioned above.

I realize the " all men are created equal" is the fallacy which are democracy is based upon.   But we all know this is not the case.

[gouki88]

Silly to believe with the decades of evidence to the contrary - that government programs are going lift people out of poverty, create equality or 'equity' (whatever that means).  The best thing in the long run would be to get government out the way and let private charity step in where needed.  Government corrupts, wastes resources and divides people in whatever it gets involved with.

This is insanely off the mark. Public programmes have shown time and again to improve living standards all across the world. This is just a boring, tired libertarian nonsense point.

[nickagneta]

Silly to believe with the decades of evidence to the contrary - that government programs are going lift people out of poverty, create equality or 'equity' (whatever that means).  The best thing in the long run would be to get government out the way and let private charity step in where needed.  Government corrupts, wastes resources and divides people in whatever it gets involved with.

This is insanely off the mark. Public programmes have shown time and again to improve living standards all across the world. This is just a boring, tired libertarian nonsense point.

Also, private charity helping. Lol. Like the United Way and the Red Cross, private charities, weren't and aren't corrupt, often getting only a fraction of the money they take in to people that need it.

Sorry but the local church or soup kitchen isn't going to help feed, clothe, house and provide the healthcare that those in poverty need. Private charity helping the massive amount of people in poverty in this country is a joke.

Homelessness in cities across America is a crisis. The government, with all it has to offer for the poor can't get these people homes, mostly only temporary shelters. What the heck is private charity doing to help end homelessness? The answer....very little.

[SDceltGuy]

Silly to believe with the decades of evidence to the contrary - that government programs are going lift people out of poverty, create equality or 'equity' (whatever that means).  The best thing in the long run would be to get government out the way and let private charity step in where needed.  Government corrupts, wastes resources and divides people in whatever it gets involved with.

This is insanely off the mark. Public programmes have shown time and again to improve living standards all across the world. This is just a boring, tired libertarian nonsense point.

Giving people just enough money to keep them poor and dependent is very progressive.

[gouki88]

Silly to believe with the decades of evidence to the contrary - that government programs are going lift people out of poverty, create equality or 'equity' (whatever that means).  The best thing in the long run would be to get government out the way and let private charity step in where needed.  Government corrupts, wastes resources and divides people in whatever it gets involved with.

This is insanely off the mark. Public programmes have shown time and again to improve living standards all across the world. This is just a boring, tired libertarian nonsense point.

Giving people just enough money to keep them poor and dependent is very progressive.

Yep, that's totally what all welfare infrastructure is

[Vox_Populi]

  What I take out of this more than anything is Jaylen is well intentioned. Whether everyone agrees or not. I love that about him.

Agreed.

[Big333223]

An analogy that always stuck with me is this: if you get stabbed, it's not enough to just pull out the knife, you have to get the wound treated.

As it pertains to qualified candidates of color getting passed over for coaching and front office jobs, it's not enough to just say, "Now we're going to hire solely on qualifications." There has to be a focus on getting those qualified people who have been passed over into those jobs as a means of re-balancing the playing field.

That doesn't mean no more white guys get jobs, it means putting a premium on righting wrongs to finding a legitimate equilibrium.

[Kuberski33]

I think its pretty obvious why there aren't more black coaches. Most of the owners are white and way above average on the intelligence scale as it takes that to accumulate the kind of wealth needed to buy and NBA team.

They(rightly)hire GM's who they feel give them the best chance of success - and it has to be someone they're comfortable with because they have to work with the guy and there's a lot of money at stake. Usually these are guys with a track record because it's not good business to entrust your operation to someone who's got a lot to learn. So most of GM's that get hired happen to be white.

And the coaching fraternity, which most of them come from and where they've made their networking contacts, is also mainly white. Keep in mind that when these guys start out, most work for nothing as low level/unpaid assistants, so they need a means of financial support - which is usually Mom and Dad.  Rules out a lot of African Americans unless they have  accumulated money from a pro career and are willing to go back and start near the bottom.  Some do - many won't.

And the black kid who never played above high school or small college and can't afford to work for nothing for a couple of years has very little chance of breaking in.

That's the system and it probably does need some tweaking.  It is kind of ridiculous that in a league where 95% or whatever the number is of the players are black, there aren't more black coaches.  But change also isn't accomplished overnight.

[Roy H.]

It is kind of ridiculous that in a league where 95% or whatever the number is of the players are black

For whatever it’s worth, it’s apparently 74% black.  43% of coaches are black, and two more are coaches of color.

[JSD]

Silly to believe with the decades of evidence to the contrary - that government programs are going lift people out of poverty, create equality or 'equity' (whatever that means).  The best thing in the long run would be to get government out the way and let private charity step in where needed.  Government corrupts, wastes resources and divides people in whatever it gets involved with.

Someone has read Sowell. Welfare has been disastrous, especially for the black community.

[Moranis]

It is kind of ridiculous that in a league where 95% or whatever the number is of the players are black

For whatever it’s worth, it’s apparently 74% black.  43% of coaches are black, and two more are coaches of color.

and players often make terrible coaches, especially great players, because they have a difficult time understanding why the sport doesn't come quite so easily for others, nor how to effectively teach the game. 

[td450]

Coaching isn't like playing. There are very few notions of meritocracy. Performance certainly matters, but the favorite for next year, the team at the very peak of the sport, will be coached by a man with no prior coaching experience before he was hired one year ago. The primary constituency has become the players, and the media and representational performance matters too.

Applying traditional notions of merit to a job like this is hard to swallow. There are no value lessons here.

[Big333223]

From the piece:

Can you tell us about your MIT Lab fellowship?

The one real requirement was I wanted kids that want to change the world. I pulled about 50 kids from [Boston’s] Dorchester Roxbury area, Boston Public Schools, the BPS school district, because that’s where I identified the lack of resources. And I built a program called The Bridge Program, named after the Bridge Year to Berkeley that I took at Cal-Berkeley. It’s building a bridge from higher universities to the low-income community. So, I created a curriculum based off STEAM [science, technology, engineering, arts and math] and partnered with MIT and Harvard, etc.

But the whole goal was to reintroduce learning, make learning fun, cool and dope again. So, we got artificial intelligence around technology, synthetic around technology and engineering. We got AI part of the program, synthetic biology for the science part of the program, in engineering. We got coding, for the math part. We got NASA exploration. We got scientists from NASA as a part of the program.

Pretty cool.