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Re: Simmons Wants Trade / Not Going To Report To Camp (CBS Report)
« Reply #225 on: September 15, 2021, 01:15:07 PM »

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The main problem is his salary is so high. He's making superstar money, just as his perceived value declines. Making him a difficult fit for most teams. The "poor" 76ers are going to get .50 cents on the dollar.

I've watched interviews, heard everyones opinion and come to the conclusion if there was ever a player that needs a sports psychologist, it's him. He looks incredibly uncomfortable shooting the ball. On the negative side, we never hear that he's working hard in the off-season to improve, as Lonzo Ball did with his shooting mechanics.

Simmons has a very strong upside, if he could ever simply hit 75-80% on his free throws.

As the price declines, I wonder if the Celtics get involved?

Just throwing it out there...Smart for Simmons, plus a questionable contract, a future pick, and few salary fillers?     
I think this is true. Superstar money but he can't be trusted when it matters. If he was making $20 mil a year, everyone would want him as their #3. But it's tough to pay your #3 guy #1 money.

Simmons also wants to be a number 1 player but won't improve his game like number 1s do.

He does? He took a whopping 10 FGA's last season and a usage rate of 20% - nearly half of Embiid's usage rate. Ben has flaws but I he's not having any Marcus Smart moments and hijacking the offense.

You say that, but even Simmons' lowest usage rate (20.2% last year) is higher than Smart's highest ever (19.4% in 2017-18). For career averages, Ben is almost 25% higher than Smart (21.5% vs 17.5%). He doesn't act as the main offensive focal point (and no one on the 6ers other than Embiid should), but let's not pretend that he handles the ball or shoots less than Smart.

His usage rate isn't the real issue, though, it's that he provides absolutely no spacing at PG, but wants to play there. Put him at PF and he would be much more effective in the half-court, but will his pride let that happen? I'm not so sure. He needs to suck it up and do what the team needs, not just what he wants.

Also, Smart and Simmons FGA last season were 10.6 and 10.1 in 32.9 and 32.4 mpg, respectively.
But so many of Smart's attempts are 3 pointers, which he is really bad at, while Simmons takes almost all of his shots from 2 point range where he has a near elite percentage.  It isn't just attempts, but how those attempts are taken.  If you could some how cross the mentality of Smart and Simmons you'd have the near perfect player (basically Giannis)
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Re: Simmons Wants Trade / Not Going To Report To Camp (CBS Report)
« Reply #226 on: September 21, 2021, 12:46:13 PM »

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Adrian Wojnarowski: ESPN Sources: Philadelphia 76ers All-Star Ben Simmons will not report for opening of training camp next week and intends to never play another game for the franchise. Simmons hasn’t spoken to team since a late August meeting when he communicated this message to Sixers officials.

So where does he go? I think Portland makes a lot of sense for both sides.
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« Reply #227 on: September 21, 2021, 12:55:44 PM »

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In his last 12 playoff games (this past season)

25 of 67 from the line

He is a significant liability from the line late in playoff games...maybe he should play for a "non playoff team" then? No worries.

Re: Simmons Wants Trade / Not Going To Report To Camp (CBS Report)
« Reply #228 on: September 21, 2021, 12:58:12 PM »

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Trade with brooklyn for Kyrie is the smartest deal for both teams... well at least for Brooklyn.

Kyrie would destroy Philly's locker room, difference being Embiid wouldn't put up with it.

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« Reply #229 on: September 21, 2021, 01:21:02 PM »

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Adrian Wojnarowski: ESPN Sources: Philadelphia 76ers All-Star Ben Simmons will not report for opening of training camp next week and intends to never play another game for the franchise. Simmons hasn’t spoken to team since a late August meeting when he communicated this message to Sixers officials.

So where does he go? I think Portland makes a lot of sense for both sides.

For McCollum and maybe something small? Toothpaste can’t really be put back in the tube now. This has gotten uglier faster than even I projected.

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« Reply #230 on: September 21, 2021, 02:09:46 PM »

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Adrian Wojnarowski: ESPN Sources: Philadelphia 76ers All-Star Ben Simmons will not report for opening of training camp next week and intends to never play another game for the franchise. Simmons hasn’t spoken to team since a late August meeting when he communicated this message to Sixers officials.

So where does he go? I think Portland makes a lot of sense for both sides.

For McCollum and maybe something small? Toothpaste can’t really be put back in the tube now. This has gotten uglier faster than even I projected.

Would Portland be better after a McCollum / Simmons swap?  I am not so sure they would be.  Why take the risk?

I am not sure what Simmons is mad at PHI about.  What did PHI do wrong here, specific to Simmons?

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« Reply #231 on: September 21, 2021, 02:17:54 PM »

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Trade with brooklyn for Kyrie is the smartest deal for both teams... well at least for Brooklyn.

Kyrie would destroy Philly's locker room, difference being Embiid wouldn't put up with it.
what specifically in embiid's past indicates to you that he is a team leader? much of what i have read about him talks about immaturity. maybe he has changed.
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Re: Simmons Wants Trade / Not Going To Report To Camp (CBS Report)
« Reply #232 on: September 21, 2021, 02:29:14 PM »

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Danny would have been itching to fleece Philly to heist Simmons  ;D

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« Reply #233 on: September 21, 2021, 02:35:44 PM »

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Danny would have been itching to fleece Philly to heist Simmons  ;D

Could be. Tho after getting burned by Kyrie he might stay out of this sweepstakes for a talented-but-moody player.

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« Reply #234 on: September 21, 2021, 02:39:49 PM »

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What playoff-caliber team would even want him? He's a MASSIVE liability in the playoffs and that's a fact.

Even for some teams like Portland who might need a change, how does swapping McCollum for Simmons or something alike do anything really? It's not just the player, but the work ethic and character which for Simmons has clearly tanked lately
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« Reply #235 on: September 21, 2021, 02:40:30 PM »

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Danny would have been itching to fleece Philly to heist Simmons  ;D

I think trading Kemba was our chance to get involved with Simmons.  Not sure we have anything left to offer unless you want to start talking Brown (which I don't).

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« Reply #236 on: September 21, 2021, 03:10:38 PM »

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Adrian Wojnarowski: ESPN Sources: Philadelphia 76ers All-Star Ben Simmons will not report for opening of training camp next week and intends to never play another game for the franchise. Simmons hasn’t spoken to team since a late August meeting when he communicated this message to Sixers officials.

So where does he go? I think Portland makes a lot of sense for both sides.

For McCollum and maybe something small? Toothpaste can’t really be put back in the tube now. This has gotten uglier faster than even I projected.

Would Portland be better after a McCollum / Simmons swap?  I am not so sure they would be.  Why take the risk?

I am not sure what Simmons is mad at PHI about.  What did PHI do wrong here, specific to Simmons?

Portlands defense is terrible and it’s pretty clear the CJ/Dame dynamic isn’t getting them far. I think it’s worth the risk and could make both teams better.
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Re: Simmons Wants Trade / Not Going To Report To Camp (CBS Report)
« Reply #237 on: September 21, 2021, 03:45:54 PM »

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McCollum, Covington for Simmons, Curry

Seems like decent value.  Maybe Portland throws in a late 1st since Simmons is the best player in the trade
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Re: Simmons Wants Trade / Not Going To Report To Camp (CBS Report)
« Reply #238 on: September 21, 2021, 03:51:14 PM »

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I'm still thinking it will be Minnesota.  Russell + Beasley + two #1s.


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« Reply #239 on: September 21, 2021, 03:55:41 PM »

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I'm still thinking it will be Minnesota.  Russell + Beasley + two #1s.

If they can get Simmons without giving up Edwards, great for them.


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