Atlanta Hawks Idea

[Fireworks_Boom!]

What about a trade of Smart for Ilyasova/Pick #29?

[Moranis]

What about a trade of Smart for Ilyasova/Pick #29?

I don't see why the Hawks would do that, but I like it.

[keevsnick]

What about a trade of Smart for Ilyasova/Pick #29?

I don't see why the Hawks would do that, but I like it.

Ya that seems about right value wise, get a useful player this year. But I dont think Marcus Smart is the direction the Hawks want to go.

[Surferdad]

No thanks.  I don't see a need for Ilyasova with Monroe coming.  Front court should be set.

[kozlodoev]

No thanks.  I don't see a need for Ilyasova with Monroe coming.  Front court should be set.

Ilyasova is pretty much an inferior version of Marcus Morris.

[Moranis]

No thanks.  I don't see a need for Ilyasova with Monroe coming.  Front court should be set.

Ilyasova is pretty much an inferior version of Marcus Morris.

An inferior version that is a better rebounder, better shooter, better shot blocker, better steal generator, who gets to the line more and is less turnover prone.

[Eddie20]

No thanks.  I don't see a need for Ilyasova with Monroe coming.  Front court should be set.

Ilyasova is pretty much an inferior version of Marcus Morris.

An inferior version that is a better rebounder, better shooter, better shot blocker, better steal generator, who gets to the line more and is less turnover prone.

Morris the much better defender and can create his own shot (Ilyasova can't).

Your "better" stats are a reach and in some cases wrong...


"better rebounder" by 0.2

"better shooter" Morris is better in 3PT% and FT%, but not in FG%.

"better shot blocker" by 0.1

"better steal generator" by 0.3

"gets to the line more" No, he doesn't. 2.7 FTA for Morris, 1.7 for Ilyasova.

"less turnover prone" by 0.3

The differential of these numbers are so minute that the 1.8 MPG more Ersan plays is a likely reason some of the categories aren't at least tied. In addition, Morris has been battling injuries all season, which has hampered his production.

[Moranis]

No thanks.  I don't see a need for Ilyasova with Monroe coming.  Front court should be set.

Ilyasova is pretty much an inferior version of Marcus Morris.

An inferior version that is a better rebounder, better shooter, better shot blocker, better steal generator, who gets to the line more and is less turnover prone.

Morris the much better defender and can create his own shot (Ilyasova can't).

Your "better" stats are a reach and in some cases wrong...


"better rebounder" by 0.4

"better shooter" Morris is better in 3PT% and FT%, but not in FG%.

"better shot blocker" by 0.1

"better steal generator" by 0.3

"gets to the line more" No, he doesn't. 2.7 FTA for Morris, 1.7 for Ilyasova.

"less turnover prone" by 0.3

The differential of these numbers are so minute that the 1.8 MPG more Ersan plays is a likely reason the numbers aren't tied. In addition, Morris has been battling injuries all season, which has hampered his production.

I was using career rates, not totals. 

So for example, Ersan's career RB% is 13.6, while Marcus' is just 9.1 (though they are closer this season).  Similarly, their TOV%, Ersan is 9.1 (9.2 this year), while Marcus is 9.9 (10.1 this year).  Ersan's TS% is 53.6 (56.1 this year), Marcus' is 52.3 (53.5 this year).  Ersan's FTr is .225, Marcus is .220 so they are close there (FTr is the number of FT attempts per FG attempt).  And that is the same all the way through for their rates, which are a much better indicator of those things then totals which are highly dependent not only on minutes but role and other team related things outside the control of the player. 

[Eddie20]

No thanks.  I don't see a need for Ilyasova with Monroe coming.  Front court should be set.

Ilyasova is pretty much an inferior version of Marcus Morris.

An inferior version that is a better rebounder, better shooter, better shot blocker, better steal generator, who gets to the line more and is less turnover prone.

Morris the much better defender and can create his own shot (Ilyasova can't).

Your "better" stats are a reach and in some cases wrong...


"better rebounder" by 0.4

"better shooter" Morris is better in 3PT% and FT%, but not in FG%.

"better shot blocker" by 0.1

"better steal generator" by 0.3

"gets to the line more" No, he doesn't. 2.7 FTA for Morris, 1.7 for Ilyasova.

"less turnover prone" by 0.3

The differential of these numbers are so minute that the 1.8 MPG more Ersan plays is a likely reason the numbers aren't tied. In addition, Morris has been battling injuries all season, which has hampered his production.

I was using career rates, not totals. 

So for example, Ersan's career RB% is 13.6, while Marcus' is just 9.1 (though they are closer this season).  Similarly, their TOV%, Ersan is 9.1 (9.2 this year), while Marcus is 9.9 (10.1 this year).  Ersan's TS% is 53.6 (56.1 this year), Marcus' is 52.3 (53.5 this year).  Ersan's FTr is .225, Marcus is .220 so they are close there (FTr is the number of FT attempts per FG attempt).  And that is the same all the way through for their rates, which are a much better indicator of those things then totals which are highly dependent not only on minutes but role and other team related things outside the control of the player.

His game has fallen off, so that's an accurate representation of what he currently is.

[celticsclay]

No thanks.  I don't see a need for Ilyasova with Monroe coming.  Front court should be set.

Ilyasova is pretty much an inferior version of Marcus Morris.

An inferior version that is a better rebounder, better shooter, better shot blocker, better steal generator, who gets to the line more and is less turnover prone.

Morris the much better defender and can create his own shot (Ilyasova can't).

Your "better" stats are a reach and in some cases wrong...


"better rebounder" by 0.4

"better shooter" Morris is better in 3PT% and FT%, but not in FG%.

"better shot blocker" by 0.1

"better steal generator" by 0.3

"gets to the line more" No, he doesn't. 2.7 FTA for Morris, 1.7 for Ilyasova.

"less turnover prone" by 0.3

The differential of these numbers are so minute that the 1.8 MPG more Ersan plays is a likely reason the numbers aren't tied. In addition, Morris has been battling injuries all season, which has hampered his production.

I was using career rates, not totals. 

So for example, Ersan's career RB% is 13.6, while Marcus' is just 9.1 (though they are closer this season).  Similarly, their TOV%, Ersan is 9.1 (9.2 this year), while Marcus is 9.9 (10.1 this year).  Ersan's TS% is 53.6 (56.1 this year), Marcus' is 52.3 (53.5 this year).  Ersan's FTr is .225, Marcus is .220 so they are close there (FTr is the number of FT attempts per FG attempt).  And that is the same all the way through for their rates, which are a much better indicator of those things then totals which are highly dependent not only on minutes but role and other team related things outside the control of the player.

You'd really rather have illy than Morris? Morris can at least slightly bother elite players like Lebron in the playoffs. Illasova being marginally better at steals or blocks (odd) or perhaps a marginally better shooter seems like a strange reason to completely discount defense

[Billz401]

No thanks.  I don't see a need for Ilyasova with Monroe coming.  Front court should be set.

Ilyasova is pretty much an inferior version of Marcus Morris.

An inferior version that is a better rebounder, better shooter, better shot blocker, better steal generator, who gets to the line more and is less turnover prone.

Morris the much better defender and can create his own shot (Ilyasova can't).

Your "better" stats are a reach and in some cases wrong...


"better rebounder" by 0.4

"better shooter" Morris is better in 3PT% and FT%, but not in FG%.

"better shot blocker" by 0.1

"better steal generator" by 0.3

"gets to the line more" No, he doesn't. 2.7 FTA for Morris, 1.7 for Ilyasova.

"less turnover prone" by 0.3

The differential of these numbers are so minute that the 1.8 MPG more Ersan plays is a likely reason the numbers aren't tied. In addition, Morris has been battling injuries all season, which has hampered his production.

I was using career rates, not totals. 

So for example, Ersan's career RB% is 13.6, while Marcus' is just 9.1 (though they are closer this season).  Similarly, their TOV%, Ersan is 9.1 (9.2 this year), while Marcus is 9.9 (10.1 this year).  Ersan's TS% is 53.6 (56.1 this year), Marcus' is 52.3 (53.5 this year).  Ersan's FTr is .225, Marcus is .220 so they are close there (FTr is the number of FT attempts per FG attempt).  And that is the same all the way through for their rates, which are a much better indicator of those things then totals which are highly dependent not only on minutes but role and other team related things outside the control of the player.

You'd really rather have illy than Morris? Morris can at least slightly bother elite players like Lebron in the playoffs. Illasova being marginally better at steals or blocks (odd) or perhaps a marginally better shooter seems like a strange reason to completely discount defense

Morris can also create his own shot which our 2nd unit desperately needs. Ersan primarily is shooting spot up jumpers from the corner while Morris has shown multiple times this year he can get a bucket when we need one. Better defensively especially for our switching defense

[RodyTur10]

No thanks.  I don't see a need for Ilyasova with Monroe coming.  Front court should be set.

Ilyasova is pretty much an inferior version of Marcus Morris.

An inferior version that is a better rebounder, better shooter, better shot blocker, better steal generator, who gets to the line more and is less turnover prone.

Morris the much better defender and can create his own shot (Ilyasova can't).

Your "better" stats are a reach and in some cases wrong...


"better rebounder" by 0.4

"better shooter" Morris is better in 3PT% and FT%, but not in FG%.

"better shot blocker" by 0.1

"better steal generator" by 0.3

"gets to the line more" No, he doesn't. 2.7 FTA for Morris, 1.7 for Ilyasova.

"less turnover prone" by 0.3

The differential of these numbers are so minute that the 1.8 MPG more Ersan plays is a likely reason the numbers aren't tied. In addition, Morris has been battling injuries all season, which has hampered his production.

I was using career rates, not totals. 

So for example, Ersan's career RB% is 13.6, while Marcus' is just 9.1 (though they are closer this season).  Similarly, their TOV%, Ersan is 9.1 (9.2 this year), while Marcus is 9.9 (10.1 this year).  Ersan's TS% is 53.6 (56.1 this year), Marcus' is 52.3 (53.5 this year).  Ersan's FTr is .225, Marcus is .220 so they are close there (FTr is the number of FT attempts per FG attempt).  And that is the same all the way through for their rates, which are a much better indicator of those things then totals which are highly dependent not only on minutes but role and other team related things outside the control of the player.

You'd really rather have illy than Morris? Morris can at least slightly bother elite players like Lebron in the playoffs. Illasova being marginally better at steals or blocks (odd) or perhaps a marginally better shooter seems like a strange reason to completely discount defense

Ilyasova is great at drawing charges though. I don't know where you can find those numbers, but he seems to be one of the best in the league at that (like Smart).

[saltlover]

No thanks.  I don't see a need for Ilyasova with Monroe coming.  Front court should be set.

Ilyasova is pretty much an inferior version of Marcus Morris.

An inferior version that is a better rebounder, better shooter, better shot blocker, better steal generator, who gets to the line more and is less turnover prone.

Morris the much better defender and can create his own shot (Ilyasova can't).

Your "better" stats are a reach and in some cases wrong...


"better rebounder" by 0.4

"better shooter" Morris is better in 3PT% and FT%, but not in FG%.

"better shot blocker" by 0.1

"better steal generator" by 0.3

"gets to the line more" No, he doesn't. 2.7 FTA for Morris, 1.7 for Ilyasova.

"less turnover prone" by 0.3

The differential of these numbers are so minute that the 1.8 MPG more Ersan plays is a likely reason the numbers aren't tied. In addition, Morris has been battling injuries all season, which has hampered his production.

I was using career rates, not totals. 

So for example, Ersan's career RB% is 13.6, while Marcus' is just 9.1 (though they are closer this season).  Similarly, their TOV%, Ersan is 9.1 (9.2 this year), while Marcus is 9.9 (10.1 this year).  Ersan's TS% is 53.6 (56.1 this year), Marcus' is 52.3 (53.5 this year).  Ersan's FTr is .225, Marcus is .220 so they are close there (FTr is the number of FT attempts per FG attempt).  And that is the same all the way through for their rates, which are a much better indicator of those things then totals which are highly dependent not only on minutes but role and other team related things outside the control of the player.

You'd really rather have illy than Morris? Morris can at least slightly bother elite players like Lebron in the playoffs. Illasova being marginally better at steals or blocks (odd) or perhaps a marginally better shooter seems like a strange reason to completely discount defense

Ilyasova is great at drawing charges though. I don't know where you can find those numbers, but he seems to be one of the best in the league at that (like Smart).

He is in fact third in the league in charges drawn per game, and 7th per-36.

https://stats.nba.com/players/hustle/

[celticsclay]

No thanks.  I don't see a need for Ilyasova with Monroe coming.  Front court should be set.

Ilyasova is pretty much an inferior version of Marcus Morris.

An inferior version that is a better rebounder, better shooter, better shot blocker, better steal generator, who gets to the line more and is less turnover prone.

Morris the much better defender and can create his own shot (Ilyasova can't).

Your "better" stats are a reach and in some cases wrong...


"better rebounder" by 0.4

"better shooter" Morris is better in 3PT% and FT%, but not in FG%.

"better shot blocker" by 0.1

"better steal generator" by 0.3

"gets to the line more" No, he doesn't. 2.7 FTA for Morris, 1.7 for Ilyasova.

"less turnover prone" by 0.3

The differential of these numbers are so minute that the 1.8 MPG more Ersan plays is a likely reason the numbers aren't tied. In addition, Morris has been battling injuries all season, which has hampered his production.

I was using career rates, not totals. 

So for example, Ersan's career RB% is 13.6, while Marcus' is just 9.1 (though they are closer this season).  Similarly, their TOV%, Ersan is 9.1 (9.2 this year), while Marcus is 9.9 (10.1 this year).  Ersan's TS% is 53.6 (56.1 this year), Marcus' is 52.3 (53.5 this year).  Ersan's FTr is .225, Marcus is .220 so they are close there (FTr is the number of FT attempts per FG attempt).  And that is the same all the way through for their rates, which are a much better indicator of those things then totals which are highly dependent not only on minutes but role and other team related things outside the control of the player.

You'd really rather have illy than Morris? Morris can at least slightly bother elite players like Lebron in the playoffs. Illasova being marginally better at steals or blocks (odd) or perhaps a marginally better shooter seems like a strange reason to completely discount defense

Ilyasova is great at drawing charges though. I don't know where you can find those numbers, but he seems to be one of the best in the league at that (like Smart).

He is in fact third in the league in charges drawn per game, and 7th per-36.

https://stats.nba.com/players/hustle/

Is this to say he is a good defender? I can't imagine him trying to guard Lebron

[rondofan1255]

Thought this was interesting speculation about the Hawks:

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/nba-trade-rumors-deadline-atlanta-hawks-news-kent-bazemore-dennis-schroder-contract/n9jurx51gy0v1o5pbu2r58pgd

tl;dr buyer's market. little interest in bazemore's awful contract, buyouts for belinelli and ilyasova likely if not traded for a 2nd, dedmon unlikely to fetch a 1st