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Other Discussions => Entertainment => Off Topic => Music => Topic started by: rondohondo on February 09, 2015, 10:43:12 AM
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http://www.eonline.com/news/623519/kanye-west-goes-off-on-beck-s-grammy-win-he-should-have-given-his-award-to-beyonce
Seriously , you are going to diss Beck like that ? Beck has been doing this for over 20 years, and is a great songwriter , and you know , he can actually sign and play instruments .....
If Beyonce looked didn't look like she does, do you think anyone would be paying attention to her ? She has a decent voice, but nothing close to Whitney Houston or anything . She's a big dummy that can shake her behind .
And Kanye ? He uses autotone on every freaking track , he can't sign , it is such a cop out to use auto-tone , what kind of talent is that ?
Try actually learning to sing like this.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBLNYuKLYD0
Kanye is a total scumbag. He is talking about this should be about great art, well lose the auto-tone, the back up dancers, , the smoke and mirrors and tell me what kanye is , is that great art ?
Beck artistically and talent wise blows away almost every musician at those god awful grammy awards away, except Stevie Wonder .
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Imo, Kanye came across as a classless sore loser. I mean, it's not like Beyonce lost out to Justin Beiber or anything, Beck is a legit, 1st class musician. Show some respect yourself Kayne.
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Cocaine is a helluva drug.
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Who looks for art in the music featured at the Grammys?
Beyond the sound engineers, the album artists, and the rest of the magicians that make the various permutations of pop music pop, if you're nominated for a songwriting/Best XYZ Grammy you're almost certainly not creating art, you're creating a commodity meant for mass consumption.
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Love me some 'Ye
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If Beyonce looked didn't look like she does, do you think anyone would be paying attention to her ? She has a decent voice, but nothing close to Whitney Houston or anything . She's a big dummy that can shake her behind .
That's pretty messed up. Offensive as well. And wrong. Its like a 'get off my lawn' trifecta.
And Kanye ? He uses autotone on every freaking track , he can't sign , it is such a cop out to use auto-tone , what kind of talent is that ?
Try actually learning to sing like this.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBLNYuKLYD0
Again, comment is really completely out of touch with the subject matter.
Kanye is a total scumbag. He is talking about this should be about great art, well lose the auto-tone, the back up dancers, , the smoke and mirrors and tell me what kanye is , is that great art ?
Yes, Kanye is one of the most creative and prolific artists of our time.
Beck artistically and talent wise blows away almost every musician at those god awful grammy awards away, except Stevie Wonder .
Beck's cool. He's not that cool. But he's cool.
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I don't think he even knows who Beck is
Kanye's a loser baby, so why dont we kill him?
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Yes, Kanye is one of the most creative and prolific artists of our time.
To quote an anonymous CB'er...
That's pretty messed up. Offensive as well. And wrong. Its like a 'get off my lawn' trifecta.
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Yes, Kanye is one of the most creative and prolific artists of our time.
To quote an anonymous CB'er...
That's pretty messed up. Offensive as well. And wrong. Its like a 'get off my lawn' trifecta.
haha yea seriously, He is the most creative and prolific artist of our time ? This is the worst musical era since the 80's . By the way I can name a bunch of more talent and prolific artists in the 21st century .
Start off with John Frusciante , I got a whole bunch more for you too, unless hip hop is all you listen to ?
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Yes Kanye is a nut job but to look at College Dropout, Late Registration, Graduation and MBDTF and say he's not talented is nonsense
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If Beyonce looked didn't look like she does, do you think anyone would be paying attention to her ? She has a decent voice, but nothing close to Whitney Houston or anything . She's a big dummy that can shake her behind .
That's pretty messed up. Offensive as well. And wrong. Its like a 'get off my lawn' trifecta.
And Kanye ? He uses autotone on every freaking track , he can't sign , it is such a cop out to use auto-tone , what kind of talent is that ?
Try actually learning to sing like this.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBLNYuKLYD0
Again, comment is really completely out of touch with the subject matter.
Kanye is a total scumbag. He is talking about this should be about great art, well lose the auto-tone, the back up dancers, , the smoke and mirrors and tell me what kanye is , is that great art ?
Yes, Kanye is one of the most creative and prolific artists of our time.
Beck artistically and talent wise blows away almost every musician at those god awful grammy awards away, except Stevie Wonder .
Beck's cool. He's not that cool. But he's cool.
How is it offensive ? Does she not have her ass bouncing all over the place in leotards, heels and stockings in almost every performance ? Singing about her jelly ? How she can get another man in a minute . Her whole talent is to sell sex .
How is it out of touch with comparing singers? James Brown could sing and was a great performer, Kanye uses technology because he can't sing .
Feel sorry for you if you think Kanye is a great talent .
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In my experience people who call other people Scumbag aren't exactly the greatest people either. West didn't do anything but state his opinion passionately, your just mad he wasn't politically correct and keep his opinions to himself. I'm not familiar with Beck, but like Indeed alluded to Kanye is kind of good at music. If you can only appreciate the vocal aspects of music you are missing out.
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Imo, Kanye came across as a classless sore loser. I mean, it's not like Beyonce lost out to Justin Beiber or anything, Beck is a legit, 1st class musician. Show some respect yourself Kayne.
Agreed. If you're going to "fight for creativity" (Kanye's words), then it just seems odd. Beck is one of the most creative artists out there.
And now it turns out people are basically vandalizing Beck's wiki page:
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/becks-wikipedia-page-hacked-stole-grammy-beyonce-201592
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Yes, Kanye is one of the most creative and prolific artists of our time.
To quote an anonymous CB'er...
That's pretty messed up. Offensive as well. And wrong. Its like a 'get off my lawn' trifecta.
haha yea seriously, He is the most creative and prolific artist of our time ? This is the worst musical era since the 80's . By the way I can name a bunch of more talent and prolific artists in the 21st century .
Start off with John Frusciante , I got a whole bunch more for you too, unless hip hop is all you listen to ?
Oh man, you love the Froosh too!?
Curtains is one of my favorite albums EVER
TP my good man
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If Beyonce looked didn't look like she does, do you think anyone would be paying attention to her ? She has a decent voice, but nothing close to Whitney Houston or anything . She's a big dummy that can shake her behind .
That's pretty messed up. Offensive as well. And wrong. Its like a 'get off my lawn' trifecta.
And Kanye ? He uses autotone on every freaking track , he can't sign , it is such a cop out to use auto-tone , what kind of talent is that ?
Try actually learning to sing like this.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBLNYuKLYD0
Again, comment is really completely out of touch with the subject matter.
Kanye is a total scumbag. He is talking about this should be about great art, well lose the auto-tone, the back up dancers, , the smoke and mirrors and tell me what kanye is , is that great art ?
Yes, Kanye is one of the most creative and prolific artists of our time.
Beck artistically and talent wise blows away almost every musician at those god awful grammy awards away, except Stevie Wonder .
Beck's cool. He's not that cool. But he's cool.
You really think that if Beyonce was not as beautiful as she is, she would still be successful?
Because that seems ridiculous to me. How many modern female pop stars are NOT attractive (at least in the eyes of the majority)?
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Also, this is, what, Becks third time being nominated for Album of the year. Beyoncé's second. So, I guess third times the charm. Don't worry Beyoncé, your time will come....
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I'm a lot more likely to play/listen/own a Beck song than a Kanye, but anyone who can sell like he has must have something. Now as far as his hypocritical opinion that what he thinks is all that matters, I just can't get behind that. And the piece where any of you say he can voice his opinion, yeah I'm ok with that too. But when he chased Beck onstage after he won...that is complete bush league and Kanye should be banned for life and probably arrested for what he was thinking.
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Saw this somewhere
As seen on Twitter: "Kanye told a dude who's mastered like 14 instruments that he needs to respect the artistry of a woman that needs 4 writers for one song."
Love it
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Yes, Kanye is one of the most creative and prolific artists of our time.
To quote an anonymous CB'er...
That's pretty messed up. Offensive as well. And wrong. Its like a 'get off my lawn' trifecta.
haha yea seriously, He is the most creative and prolific artist of our time ? This is the worst musical era since the 80's . By the way I can name a bunch of more talent and prolific artists in the 21st century .
Start off with John Frusciante , I got a whole bunch more for you too, unless hip hop is all you listen to ?
Oh man, you love the Froosh too!?
Curtains is one of my favorite albums EVER
TP my good man
yup frusciante is the man
check out this interview , he touches on what art should be all about in the first question
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JTEjSNFX7w
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If you're going to go after someone for artistic ability or whatever, Beck is probably the wrong guy to go after. Very talented artist who has done some amazing work over the years.
Kanye is a talented but troubled artist.
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Yes, Kanye is one of the most creative and prolific artists of our time.
To quote an anonymous CB'er...
That's pretty messed up. Offensive as well. And wrong. Its like a 'get off my lawn' trifecta.
haha yea seriously, He is the most creative and prolific artist of our time ? This is the worst musical era since the 80's . By the way I can name a bunch of more talent and prolific artists in the 21st century .
Start off with John Frusciante , I got a whole bunch more for you too, unless hip hop is all you listen to ?
Oh man, you love the Froosh too!?
Curtains is one of my favorite albums EVER
TP my good man
yup frusciante is the man
check out this interview , he touches on what art should be all about in the first question
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JTEjSNFX7w
Yep, Frusciante is awesome and totally underrated. Another artist that is just as good and equally underrated but never complains.....Steven Wilson.
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Beyonce is a PERFORMER not an artist
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Beyonce is a PERFORMER not an artist
Thank you. And Kanye is Demarcus Cousins.
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Honestly, it doesn't really matter who is the better singer. Kanye for some reason feels like whenever the winner is not to his liking he needs to go on stage and voice his opinion.
Not cool.
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Yes, Kanye is one of the most creative and prolific artists of our time.
To quote an anonymous CB'er...
That's pretty messed up. Offensive as well. And wrong. Its like a 'get off my lawn' trifecta.
haha yea seriously, He is the most creative and prolific artist of our time ? This is the worst musical era since the 80's . By the way I can name a bunch of more talent and prolific artists in the 21st century .
Start off with John Frusciante , I got a whole bunch more for you too, unless hip hop is all you listen to ?
I would actually argue that this era, along with the 80's, is one of the more interesting ones ever. You just won't find the good stuff unless you go digging for it -- which is the same as ever, really.
As for Frusciante, I quite liked the Ataxia album he was involved in several years ago. Comparing Fruciante + Porcupine tree to Yeezy is a little silly though.
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I don't know if Kanye is a scum bag per se. He strikes me as more of a petty control freak....hmmmm.
My favorite part of the grammys was when Jay Z looked down his wife's dress when she got up to get her award. Who can blame him?
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Yes, Kanye is one of the most creative and prolific artists of our time.
Beck artistically and talent wise blows away almost every musician at those god awful grammy awards away, except Stevie Wonder .
Beck's cool. He's not that cool. But he's cool.
highly recommend acquiring 'The Information' and listening to it straight through & as soon as possible
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Always has been. Always will be.
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I don't think he even knows who Beck is
Kanye's a loser baby, so why dont we kill him?
Amazing...TP!!!
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Yes, Kanye is one of the most creative and prolific artists of our time.
Beck artistically and talent wise blows away almost every musician at those god awful grammy awards away, except Stevie Wonder .
Beck's cool. He's not that cool. But he's cool.
highly recommend acquiring 'The Information' and listening to it straight through & as soon as possible
Beck is an amazing mucisian. Information is good, so is Guero. Sea Change was fairly epic but it's hard to beat Odelay. That's a classic album, pretty stellar from front to back and has it's place in rock history.
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Where's South Park when you need them?
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Yes, Kanye is one of the most creative and prolific artists of our time.
To quote an anonymous CB'er...
That's pretty messed up. Offensive as well. And wrong. Its like a 'get off my lawn' trifecta.
haha yea seriously, He is the most creative and prolific artist of our time ? This is the worst musical era since the 80's . By the way I can name a bunch of more talent and prolific artists in the 21st century .
Start off with John Frusciante , I got a whole bunch more for you too, unless hip hop is all you listen to ?
Oh man, you love the Froosh too!?
Curtains is one of my favorite albums EVER
TP my good man
yup frusciante is the man
check out this interview , he touches on what art should be all about in the first question
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JTEjSNFX7w
Yep, Frusciante is awesome and totally underrated. Another artist that is just as good and equally underrated but never complains.....Steven Wilson.
Frusciante is such a talented dude but man is he out there. His solo stuff is wild and the Chili Peppers will obviously never be the same without him.
His guitar playing is ridiculous but what always got me was his epic high harmonies. Some of the harmonies on the RHCP choruses are just flat out silly to listen to.
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Whoever said Beyoncé is a performer, not an artist, hit the nail exactly on the head.
Now most people with ears know that Kanyes music is better than Becks. But that's all I'm interested from Kanye-Music. Usually when he voices his opinions in real life the fact that he is an egotistical, self centered, controlling baby comes to light pretty quickly. Which is upsetting because his first album, College Drop-Out, had a lot of uplifting and positive messages.
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Yeah, Kanye strikes me as a very self-centered, egomaniac who has no respect for others. He's also been known to make some fairly racially insensitive remarks towards caucasians.
He does have talent, although he certainly is not any sort of generational talent. Certainly not on the level of many other greats.
Bottom line is, while used to kind of sort of like his music, I refuse to listen to him now out of principal. That, and his music has deteriorated from his earlier works. Beck is a far greater at what he does than Kanye is at what he does. It really is sad to think there are people who think otherwise.
Kanye really needs to just go away, screw him.
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Yeah, Kanye strikes me as a very self-centered, egomaniac who has no respect for others. He's also been known to make some fairly racially insensitive remarks towards caucasians.
He does have talent, although he certainly is not any sort of generational talent. Certainly not on the level of many other greats.
Bottom line is, while used to kind of sort of like his music, I refuse to listen to him now out of principal. That, and his music has deteriorated from his earlier works. Beck is a far greater at what he does than Kanye is at what he does. It really is sad to think there are people who think otherwise.
Kanye really needs to just go away, screw him.
TP.
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Who are we talking about? Kanye. He accomplished his goal.
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The thing that bothers me most about Kanye is that he truly believes he is a genius and values himself and his opinions too highly. That limits his scope and only reinforces his weaknesses in a vicious cycle of increasing narrow-mindedness.
Kanye's elite talent is his work ethic. He tops out as mediocre in anything related to music or art in my book. Which is fine. But he doesn't realize this and he's obnoxious because of it.
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Yes, Kanye is one of the most creative and prolific artists of our time.
To quote an anonymous CB'er...
That's pretty messed up. Offensive as well. And wrong. Its like a 'get off my lawn' trifecta.
haha yea seriously, He is the most creative and prolific artist of our time ? This is the worst musical era since the 80's . By the way I can name a bunch of more talent and prolific artists in the 21st century .
Start off with John Frusciante , I got a whole bunch more for you too, unless hip hop is all you listen to ?
See this is the reason why your comment was so wrong. Does my recognition of Kayne West as one of the most creative and prolific artists (and by the way, I said "one of", which you seemed to miss) of our time, you think somehow that hip hop is all I listen to, and you think somehow that's relevant to the conversation.
To back up my claim, let's look at his wikipedia article:
As of 2013, West has won a total of 21 Grammy Awards, making him one of the most awarded artists of all-time.[2] About.com ranked Kanye West No. 8 on their "Top 50 Hip-Hop Producers" list.[237] On May 16, 2008, Kanye West was crowned by MTV as the year's No. 1 "Hottest MC in the Game."[238] On December 17, 2010, Kanye West was voted as the MTV Man of the Year by MTV.[239] Billboard ranked Kanye West No. 3 on their list of Top 10 Producers of the Decade.[240] West ties with Bob Dylan for having topped the annual Pazz & Jop critic poll the most number of times ever, with four number-one albums each.[241] West has also been included in the Time 100 list of the most influential people in the world as well as being listed in a number of Forbes annual lists.[3]
In its 2012 list of "500 Greatest Albums of All Time, Rolling Stone included three of West's albums?The College Dropout at number 298,[242] Late Registration at number 118,[243] and My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy at number 353.[244]
The Pitchfork online music publication ranked My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy as the world's best album of the decade "so far"?between 2010 and 2014?on August 19, 2014, while Yeezus was ranked in the eighth position of a list of 100 albums. During the same week, the song "Runaway" (featuring Pusha T) was ranked in the third position in the publication's list of the 200 "best tracks" released since 2010
If you don't like his music, you don't like his music. I cannot stand the Red Hot Chili Peppers. I literally hate nearly all of their songs (except Love Rollercoaster..for some reason) that I've heard, and I've heard just about all of their songs. But I don't pretend that they're not an extremely talented and extremely influential rock band. I just don't dig them.
To not acknowledge Kanye's impact on modern music in the last 15 years, you might as well say the world is flat and thunder happens because God's bowling.
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Who are we talking about? Kanye. He accomplished his goal.
Back when he did that thing to Taylor Swift, I thought it was all about publicity. I now believe he's legitimately lost a handle on reality.
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If you don't like his music, you don't like his music. I cannot stand the Red Hot Chili Peppers. I literally hate nearly all of their songs (except Love Rollercoaster..for some reason) that I've heard, and I've heard just about all of their songs.
It's a cover, that's probably the reason.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etebeZDt7Eo
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must admit, I celebrate Beck's entire catalogue. ages like wine.
I remember first buying Midnight Vultures and hating all of it. Now I can't get enough of that entire album... Very few artists create albums with that quality, that's why I feel his music is transcendent.
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Yes, Kanye is one of the most creative and prolific artists of our time.
To quote an anonymous CB'er...
That's pretty messed up. Offensive as well. And wrong. Its like a 'get off my lawn' trifecta.
haha yea seriously, He is the most creative and prolific artist of our time ? This is the worst musical era since the 80's . By the way I can name a bunch of more talent and prolific artists in the 21st century .
Start off with John Frusciante , I got a whole bunch more for you too, unless hip hop is all you listen to ?
See this is the reason why your comment was so wrong. Does my recognition of Kayne West as one of the most creative and prolific artists (and by the way, I said "one of", which you seemed to miss) of our time, you think somehow that hip hop is all I listen to, and you think somehow that's relevant to the conversation.
To back up my claim, let's look at his wikipedia article:
As of 2013, West has won a total of 21 Grammy Awards, making him one of the most awarded artists of all-time.[2] About.com ranked Kanye West No. 8 on their "Top 50 Hip-Hop Producers" list.[237] On May 16, 2008, Kanye West was crowned by MTV as the year's No. 1 "Hottest MC in the Game."[238] On December 17, 2010, Kanye West was voted as the MTV Man of the Year by MTV.[239] Billboard ranked Kanye West No. 3 on their list of Top 10 Producers of the Decade.[240] West ties with Bob Dylan for having topped the annual Pazz & Jop critic poll the most number of times ever, with four number-one albums each.[241] West has also been included in the Time 100 list of the most influential people in the world as well as being listed in a number of Forbes annual lists.[3]
In its 2012 list of "500 Greatest Albums of All Time, Rolling Stone included three of West's albums?The College Dropout at number 298,[242] Late Registration at number 118,[243] and My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy at number 353.[244]
The Pitchfork online music publication ranked My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy as the world's best album of the decade "so far"?between 2010 and 2014?on August 19, 2014, while Yeezus was ranked in the eighth position of a list of 100 albums. During the same week, the song "Runaway" (featuring Pusha T) was ranked in the third position in the publication's list of the 200 "best tracks" released since 2010
If you don't like his music, you don't like his music. I cannot stand the Red Hot Chili Peppers. I literally hate nearly all of their songs (except Love Rollercoaster..for some reason) that I've heard, and I've heard just about all of their songs. But I don't pretend that they're not an extremely talented and extremely influential rock band. I just don't dig them.
To not acknowledge Kanye's impact on modern music in the last 15 years, you might as well say the world is flat and thunder happens because God's bowling.
I am not a big fan of the chilli peppers either, but John Frusciante is one of the greatest musicians of the last 30 years, that's why he left that band. He is a superior singers and musician to anyone in that band.
Just saying there are a lot better and more talented artists in the music industry than Kanye. He was the one saying it should be all about art .....
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Yes, Kanye is one of the most creative and prolific artists of our time.
To quote an anonymous CB'er...
That's pretty messed up. Offensive as well. And wrong. Its like a 'get off my lawn' trifecta.
haha yea seriously, He is the most creative and prolific artist of our time ? This is the worst musical era since the 80's . By the way I can name a bunch of more talent and prolific artists in the 21st century .
Start off with John Frusciante , I got a whole bunch more for you too, unless hip hop is all you listen to ?
See this is the reason why your comment was so wrong. Does my recognition of Kayne West as one of the most creative and prolific artists (and by the way, I said "one of", which you seemed to miss) of our time, you think somehow that hip hop is all I listen to, and you think somehow that's relevant to the conversation.
To back up my claim, let's look at his wikipedia article:
As of 2013, West has won a total of 21 Grammy Awards, making him one of the most awarded artists of all-time.[2] About.com ranked Kanye West No. 8 on their "Top 50 Hip-Hop Producers" list.[237] On May 16, 2008, Kanye West was crowned by MTV as the year's No. 1 "Hottest MC in the Game."[238] On December 17, 2010, Kanye West was voted as the MTV Man of the Year by MTV.[239] Billboard ranked Kanye West No. 3 on their list of Top 10 Producers of the Decade.[240] West ties with Bob Dylan for having topped the annual Pazz & Jop critic poll the most number of times ever, with four number-one albums each.[241] West has also been included in the Time 100 list of the most influential people in the world as well as being listed in a number of Forbes annual lists.[3]
In its 2012 list of "500 Greatest Albums of All Time, Rolling Stone included three of West's albums?The College Dropout at number 298,[242] Late Registration at number 118,[243] and My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy at number 353.[244]
The Pitchfork online music publication ranked My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy as the world's best album of the decade "so far"?between 2010 and 2014?on August 19, 2014, while Yeezus was ranked in the eighth position of a list of 100 albums. During the same week, the song "Runaway" (featuring Pusha T) was ranked in the third position in the publication's list of the 200 "best tracks" released since 2010
If you don't like his music, you don't like his music. I cannot stand the Red Hot Chili Peppers. I literally hate nearly all of their songs (except Love Rollercoaster..for some reason) that I've heard, and I've heard just about all of their songs. But I don't pretend that they're not an extremely talented and extremely influential rock band. I just don't dig them.
To not acknowledge Kanye's impact on modern music in the last 15 years, you might as well say the world is flat and thunder happens because God's bowling.
I am not a big fan of the chilli peppers either, but John Frusciante is one of the greatest musicians of the last 30 years, that's why he left that band. He is a superior singers and musician to anyone in that band.
Just saying there are a lot better and more talented artists in the music industry than Kanye. He was the one saying it should be all about art .....
Agreed. Posting bliilboard and rolling stone quotes just further diminishes credibility if you want to make the argument that someone is a great artist. Those sources and the Grammy committee just reinforce the music industry profit machine, they do not promote or reward great musical artists
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WezusURMbY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qL_9zWmDcjs
A couple of my faves by both men.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qL_9zWmDcjs
A couple of my faves by both men.
TP, Debra is a favorite, and also one of the greatest Karaoke songs of all time. OF ALL TIME!
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And here's a great piece of bubblegum:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m1EFMoRFvY
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For all his musical talents, Kanye West is an egotistical prima donna bore. KW of all people should know that Beck's music (blending hip-hop, rock, electronic, pop, folk, blues) is really a huge predecessor of what he (KW) does. It is extremely ironic that KW seems to have no understanding of that connection.
I mean for most people really into music the grammys don't mean anything. Even though it has a longer history and some more perceived 'prestige', the grammys aren't really much better than a popularity contest a step above the american music awards and the like.
It is hard to believe that anyone seriously concerned about 'artistry' would even worry about the grammys, unless of course all you are interested in is making headlines in the most TMZ kind of shallowest way possible.
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I'd like to see a psychiatrists view of Kanye
He's off his rocker
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ehhh...tupac...i would trade all of these silly rapers for one more day of him
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I love these music threads because they remind me just how out of touch I am with popular music and trends. While some of the names in this thead are familiar (I've heard of Kanye, Beyonce, Jay Z), I couldn't name a single song by anyone mentioned on this thread with the exception of James Brown and Stevie Wonder. Most of the names are new to me: Beck? Fruciante?
I am mentioning this mostly to point out that even in this world of constant media exposure, hundreds of TV channels, unlimited access to music on the internet -- many people have absolutely no connection to various aspects of the social culture of the day. Not saying it's a good or bad thing, but just saying that we still can make some choices about what we expose ourselves to and what we connect to.
Many of my contemporaries are more connected to current music than I am, but I really love (for some reason) that I can still be disconnected if I want to. Sometimes it irritates me that I even know who Kim Kardashian, Honey Boo-Boo and Snookie are -- I wish I didn't. But it does make me a little glad that I still haven't a clue about Kanye West -- I wouldn't know who he was if he was standing next to me. On the other hand, even though I don't know any of her music, for some reason I am able to pick Beyonce out of a crowd.
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ehhh...tupac...i would trade all of these silly rapers for one more day of him
Was just about to post the same thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9glMFDWsVA
Nothing in hip hop close to this today, I am willing to do more digging, just haven't found it yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnmLl6Fm1MM
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Eat it Kanye
Pow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak3bmuR7Kmo
Pow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1eGIIPtn-s
Pow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAP3sYaaBv4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9bp4I6QxDY
;)
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I think there are a lot of good rappers today. I think we get like 1 or 2 new awesome albums a year in hip-hop, and I usually get to them a year or two late.
My current favorite album of the last year was "Because The Internet" by Childish Gambino. It's a hip-hop album, but he's put a lot of work into becoming a well-rounded artist. Here's the rap:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExVtrghW5Y4
Here's the singing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jx96Twg-Aew
And here's a cover of "die without you" by PM Dawn:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_9U-zkEPAI
Childish Gambino, like Drake or Kid Cudi or a lot of other rappers who like to talk about their emotions, EXTREMELY influenced by one of my favorite records of all time, 808's And Heartbreaks by....Kanye West.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKSJP1qfyfQ
Try me....
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I miss Elliott Smith, if only for the selfish reason that he maybe could have put out 4-5 more albums by now.
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ehhh...tupac...i would trade all of these silly rapers for one more day of him
Was just about to post the same thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9glMFDWsVA
Nothing in hip hop close to this today, I am willing to do more digging, just haven't found it yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnmLl6Fm1MM
TP
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I miss Elliott Smith, if only for the selfish reason that he maybe could have put out 4-5 more albums by now.
TP
Talk about REAL
A lot of people sing sad songs, or act depressed
This guy MEANT it
Stabbing yourself in the heart.. Juliet style
The potential you'll be that you'll never see
God bless ya nerf!
Edit: and thanks to rondohondo for the beck version of alemeda!
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I find it funny that people are crying that KW is a scumbag for his comments and then they turn around and go after a person who had nothing to do with what KW chose to say. Try looking in the mirror. You don't have to like Beyonce and of course you can say what you want but you need to get a grip, you sound worse than KW.
I'm a big Whitney fan but let's not pretend that she would have been anything without her looks, that's just the way it is for most entertainers (women especially)! That doesn't take away from her talent, it just is what it is!
You also dont have to agree that KW is very talented for it to be true, not everyone has the same taste. People you mentioned in here, like Stevie Wonder, would disagree with how you feel about whether KW is talented or not.
Look at what you're saying and then look at what KW said and then tell me again how he is the scumbag. :o
S/N: not calling anyone a scumbag just saying it's looking like a lot of pot calling the kettle black but then the pot takes it to a worse level.
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I find it funny that people are crying that KW is a scumbag for his comments and then they turn around and go after a person who had nothing to do with what KW chose to say. Try looking in the mirror. You don't have to like Beyonce and of course you can say what you want but you need to get a grip, you sound worse than KW.
I'm a big Whitney fan but let's not pretend that she would have been anything without her looks, that's just the way it is for most entertainers (women especially)! That doesn't take away from her talent, it just is what it is!
You also dont have to agree that KW is very talented for it to be true, not everyone has the same taste. People you mentioned in here, like Stevie Wonder, would disagree with how you feel about whether KW is talented or not.
Look at what you're saying and then look at what KW said and then tell me again how he is the scumbag. :o
S/N: not calling anyone a scumbag just saying it's looking like a lot of pot calling the kettle black but then the pot takes it to a worse level.
There's a big difference, though: nobody here as a big enough platform to publicly embarass another artist and try to steal their moment.
Nobody has to like Kanye's / Beyonce's / Beck's music, but regardless of musical tastes, it's immature to interrupt somebody else and then blast them afterward.
There's a big difference, though:
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I find it funny that people are crying that KW is a scumbag for his comments and then they turn around and go after a person who had nothing to do with what KW chose to say. Try looking in the mirror. You don't have to like Beyonce and of course you can say what you want but you need to get a grip, you sound worse than KW.
I'm a big Whitney fan but let's not pretend that she would have been anything without her looks, that's just the way it is for most entertainers (women especially)! That doesn't take away from her talent, it just is what it is!
You also dont have to agree that KW is very talented for it to be true, not everyone has the same taste. People you mentioned in here, like Stevie Wonder, would disagree with how you feel about whether KW is talented or not.
Look at what you're saying and then look at what KW said and then tell me again how he is the scumbag. :o
S/N: not calling anyone a scumbag just saying it's looking like a lot of pot calling the kettle black but then the pot takes it to a worse level.
There's a big difference, though: nobody here as a big enough platform to publicly embarass another artist and try to steal their moment.
Nobody has to like Kanye's / Beyonce's / Beck's music, but regardless of musical tastes, it's immature to interrupt somebody else and then blast them afterward.
There's a big difference, though:
That's exactly it, and it's not the first time Kayne has done this , which is even more wrong. It's low class, disrespectful, cry baby bush league stuff.
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Who are we talking about? Kanye. He accomplished his goal.
hahahahaha. So true and so sad.
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A friend of mine worked security for some sort of event where Jay-Z and Beyonce were in attendance and he said that Jay was very pompous, arrogant, kind of rude, etc, but Beyonce was nice, cordial, etc. Both Kanye and Jay may be dirt bags/jerks in some sense, but at least Jay carries himself with some sort of class/pride. Kanye is just an all around ass that thinks the world owes him something.
Hardknock Life vol. 2 was the first full LP I ever purchased way back when I was like 13. Always a classic.
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I just don't care when, where, or how he said what he did, it is hypocritical of you to call him out while taking your shot at bashing someone who had nothing to do with it. All this in an attempt to prove why he's the scumbag.
I don't mind bashing people, I talk about people I don't like all the time. I just find it amusing that you're criticizing someone and then railing on someone else in the next sentence. Propping up Beck and bashing Beyonce... then telling yourself it's not the same because he has a larger audience. ::)
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I just don't care when, where, or how he said what he did, it is hypocritical of you to call him out while taking your shot at bashing someone who had nothing to do with it. All this in an attempt to prove why he's the scumbag.
I don't mind bashing people, I talk about people I don't like all the time. I just find it amusing that you're criticizing someone and then railing on someone else in the next sentence. Propping up Beck and bashing Beyonce... then telling yourself it's not the same because he has a larger audience. ::)
I think what they're saying is pertinent to the conversation. Kanye said Beck isn't a "real artist" and that Beyonce should have won, and these people say that they respect neither Kanye nor his opinion. They then voice their opinions about how Kanye is wrong, and they state things that follow up those opinions (ie bashing Beyonce and propping up Beck).
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Kanye is a tool of which Southpark has definitely got him pegged, but Beck should not have won that award. It has barely sold anything and is one of the lowest selling albums to win record of the year in a long time. It has no real popular songs and isn't even a particularly good Beck album. There is a lot of sentiment that they gave Beck the award as sort of a lifetime achievement award (like Ron Dayne winning the Heisman over Peyton Manning).
Here is an article that talks about how low the sales are and some of the other stuff I mentioned.
http://www.billboard.com/articles/events/grammys-2015/6465730/beck-lowest-selling-grammy-album-year-since-2008 (http://www.billboard.com/articles/events/grammys-2015/6465730/beck-lowest-selling-grammy-album-year-since-2008)
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I just don't care when, where, or how he said what he did, it is hypocritical of you to call him out while taking your shot at bashing someone who had nothing to do with it. All this in an attempt to prove why he's the scumbag.
I don't mind bashing people, I talk about people I don't like all the time. I just find it amusing that you're criticizing someone and then railing on someone else in the next sentence. Propping up Beck and bashing Beyonce... then telling yourself it's not the same because he has a larger audience. ::)
I think what they're saying is pertinent to the conversation. Kanye said Beck isn't a "real artist" and that Beyonce should have won, and these people say that they respect neither Kanye nor his opinion. They then voice their opinions about how Kanye is wrong, and they state things that follow up those opinions (ie bashing Beyonce and propping up Beck).
Again, what makes what they are saying any different? Are the really trying to convince me that a larger audience (platform) is the difference? Kanye gave his (ignorant) opinion that makes him a scumbag, they do the same thing in rebuttal but they are just stating why he is wrong. ::)
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I just don't care when, where, or how he said what he did, it is hypocritical of you to call him out while taking your shot at bashing someone who had nothing to do with it. All this in an attempt to prove why he's the scumbag.
I don't mind bashing people, I talk about people I don't like all the time. I just find it amusing that you're criticizing someone and then railing on someone else in the next sentence. Propping up Beck and bashing Beyonce... then telling yourself it's not the same because he has a larger audience. ::)
I think what they're saying is pertinent to the conversation. Kanye said Beck isn't a "real artist" and that Beyonce should have won, and these people say that they respect neither Kanye nor his opinion. They then voice their opinions about how Kanye is wrong, and they state things that follow up those opinions (ie bashing Beyonce and propping up Beck).
Again, what makes what they are saying any different? Are the really trying to convince me that a larger audience (platform) is the difference? Kanye gave his (ignorant) opinion that makes him a scumbag, they do the same thing in rebuttal but they are just stating why he is wrong. ::)
Are you missing the fact that he interrupted / stole another man's Grammy moment? How is somebody on here commenting on his actions even remotely in the same ballpark?
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Kanye is a tool of which Southpark has definitely got him pegged, but Beck should not have won that award. It has barely sold anything and is one of the lowest selling albums to win record of the year in a long time. It has no real popular songs and isn't even a particularly good Beck album. There is a lot of sentiment that they gave Beck the award as sort of a lifetime achievement award (like Ron Dayne winning the Heisman over Peyton Manning).
Here is an article that talks about how low the sales are and some of the other stuff I mentioned.
http://www.billboard.com/articles/events/grammys-2015/6465730/beck-lowest-selling-grammy-album-year-since-2008 (http://www.billboard.com/articles/events/grammys-2015/6465730/beck-lowest-selling-grammy-album-year-since-2008)
Why should record sales be the determining factor in record of the year? The grammys are supposed to be for "artistic achievement, technical proficiency and overall excellence in the recording industry, without regard to album sales or chart position.".
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I just don't care when, where, or how he said what he did, it is hypocritical of you to call him out while taking your shot at bashing someone who had nothing to do with it. All this in an attempt to prove why he's the scumbag.
I don't mind bashing people, I talk about people I don't like all the time. I just find it amusing that you're criticizing someone and then railing on someone else in the next sentence. Propping up Beck and bashing Beyonce... then telling yourself it's not the same because he has a larger audience. ::)
I think what they're saying is pertinent to the conversation. Kanye said Beck isn't a "real artist" and that Beyonce should have won, and these people say that they respect neither Kanye nor his opinion. They then voice their opinions about how Kanye is wrong, and they state things that follow up those opinions (ie bashing Beyonce and propping up Beck).
Again, what makes what they are saying any different? Are the really trying to convince me that a larger audience (platform) is the difference? Kanye gave his (ignorant) opinion that makes him a scumbag, they do the same thing in rebuttal but they are just stating why he is wrong. ::)
Are you missing the fact that he interrupted / stole another man's Grammy moment? How is somebody on here commenting on his actions even remotely in the same ballpark?
He only stayed a second and Beck even motioned for him to come back, he actually stole Taylor's moment! He said what he had to say in an interview after it was said and done. LOL at all these excuses. Did you watch it?
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I just don't care when, where, or how he said what he did, it is hypocritical of you to call him out while taking your shot at bashing someone who had nothing to do with it. All this in an attempt to prove why he's the scumbag.
I don't mind bashing people, I talk about people I don't like all the time. I just find it amusing that you're criticizing someone and then railing on someone else in the next sentence. Propping up Beck and bashing Beyonce... then telling yourself it's not the same because he has a larger audience. ::)
I think what they're saying is pertinent to the conversation. Kanye said Beck isn't a "real artist" and that Beyonce should have won, and these people say that they respect neither Kanye nor his opinion. They then voice their opinions about how Kanye is wrong, and they state things that follow up those opinions (ie bashing Beyonce and propping up Beck).
Again, what makes what they are saying any different? Are the really trying to convince me that a larger audience (platform) is the difference? Kanye gave his (ignorant) opinion that makes him a scumbag, they do the same thing in rebuttal but they are just stating why he is wrong. ::)
So basically no one has the right to criticize anyone for anything? Is that what you mean? We do that every single day on this forum.
KW used his attendance at an awards show to disrespect an award winning artist. It was embarrassing to watch and read about. If you don't think Kanye deserves some criticism for what he did then I don't know what to say. I guess I must not understand your point?
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I just don't care when, where, or how he said what he did, it is hypocritical of you to call him out while taking your shot at bashing someone who had nothing to do with it. All this in an attempt to prove why he's the scumbag.
I don't mind bashing people, I talk about people I don't like all the time. I just find it amusing that you're criticizing someone and then railing on someone else in the next sentence. Propping up Beck and bashing Beyonce... then telling yourself it's not the same because he has a larger audience. ::)
I think what they're saying is pertinent to the conversation. Kanye said Beck isn't a "real artist" and that Beyonce should have won, and these people say that they respect neither Kanye nor his opinion. They then voice their opinions about how Kanye is wrong, and they state things that follow up those opinions (ie bashing Beyonce and propping up Beck).
Again, what makes what they are saying any different? Are the really trying to convince me that a larger audience (platform) is the difference? Kanye gave his (ignorant) opinion that makes him a scumbag, they do the same thing in rebuttal but they are just stating why he is wrong. ::)
Are you missing the fact that he interrupted / stole another man's Grammy moment? How is somebody on here commenting on his actions even remotely in the same ballpark?
He only stayed a second and Beck even motioned for him to come back, he actually stole Taylor's moment! He said what he had to say in an interview after it was said and done. LOL at all these excuses. Did you watch it?
Somebody is making excuses, for sure.
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I just don't care when, where, or how he said what he did, it is hypocritical of you to call him out while taking your shot at bashing someone who had nothing to do with it. All this in an attempt to prove why he's the scumbag.
I don't mind bashing people, I talk about people I don't like all the time. I just find it amusing that you're criticizing someone and then railing on someone else in the next sentence. Propping up Beck and bashing Beyonce... then telling yourself it's not the same because he has a larger audience. ::)
I think what they're saying is pertinent to the conversation. Kanye said Beck isn't a "real artist" and that Beyonce should have won, and these people say that they respect neither Kanye nor his opinion. They then voice their opinions about how Kanye is wrong, and they state things that follow up those opinions (ie bashing Beyonce and propping up Beck).
Again, what makes what they are saying any different? Are the really trying to convince me that a larger audience (platform) is the difference? Kanye gave his (ignorant) opinion that makes him a scumbag, they do the same thing in rebuttal but they are just stating why he is wrong. ::)
Are you missing the fact that he interrupted / stole another man's Grammy moment? How is somebody on here commenting on his actions even remotely in the same ballpark?
He only stayed a second and Beck even motioned for him to come back, he actually stole Taylor's moment! He said what he had to say in an interview after it was said and done. LOL at all these excuses. Did you watch it?
Somebody is making excuses, for sure.
I'm not making an excuse for what he said/did, I'm stating what actually happened. I don't need to try and make an excuse for what he said b.c I don't agree with it.
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First, whaaaat? Beck was nominated? An won? Nice! Sea Change is one of my all time favorites.
Second, Kanye has a weird definition of real artists. Beck is about as legitimate an artist as there is. Beyonce is a great singer, but Kanye needs to realize it isn't all about his friends and what he likes. It is idiotic to feel the need to put down other artists that aren't your favorite just because the artist you like didn't win.
Still, Kanye's horrible personality is part of what makes him creative and an all-time great.
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I just don't care when, where, or how he said what he did, it is hypocritical of you to call him out while taking your shot at bashing someone who had nothing to do with it. All this in an attempt to prove why he's the scumbag.
I don't mind bashing people, I talk about people I don't like all the time. I just find it amusing that you're criticizing someone and then railing on someone else in the next sentence. Propping up Beck and bashing Beyonce... then telling yourself it's not the same because he has a larger audience. ::)
I completely agree with this. Kanye was thinking the same way as people reacting in the opposite direction. Perhaps everyone needs to understand that their personal preferences are mostly subjective, just like everyone else's.
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Gotta wonder what kardash is thinking..
This guy is OBSESSED with that woman from destinys child