Addition by subtraction trade idea WAS/BOS/MIN

[Humble G]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ydebgomt

BOS out: Rozier, Brown
BOS in: Satoransky, Saric, Tyrus Jones, Pick from MIN

MIN in: Jaylen Brown
MIN out: Saric, Jones, pick

WAS in: Rozier
WAS out: Satoranksy

Why?
*First of all this could be 2 separate trades but I combined them

WAS: Makes a playoff push. Rozier replaces Wall. Wizards can decide if they need Wall or trade him away for whatever he is worth...I imagine LAL would be interested

MIN: Adding Brown would bolster their starting lineup immensely.  Teague/Brown/Wiggins/Gibson/Towns

BOS: addition by subtraction. Frees up minutes for Hayward PLUS adds 2 shooters in Satoransky and Saric. Plus add a backup PG to replace Rozier. These 3 players are the role players we wish brown and rozier could become.

* I understand it may not do much for our future except if MIN gives a first round pick to throw at Davis in offseason.


Thoughts???

[manl_lui]

I don't think Minny does this, Wiggins and Brown looks redundant to me

[Humble G]

I don't think Minny does this, Wiggins and Brown looks redundant to me

They may be similar  on offense but definitely not on defense

[Birdman]

Nope on Celtics part

[Silky]

thats interesting.

I would hate to see brown go, and it looks like selling him low, but I really really like satoransky.

[Moranis]

I don't see Minny giving up Saric and a pick for Brown, unless that pick is a 2nd rounder.

[Humble G]

I don't see Minny giving up Saric and a pick for Brown, unless that pick is a 2nd rounder.

Saric might be worth a late first and I imagine Brown is worth twice that or a lotto pick. If Minny does this trade its to make the playoffs thus not a lotto pick they would be trading. Maybe throw a 1-13 protection on it for this year.

Nope on Celtics part

Why?

[RodyTur10]

On first sight, that's a big NO for me.

However giving up a first round pick by Minnesota in addition to Saric is a pretty big deal as well for them.
I'm not willing to do it, but I'm not saying it's a terrible offer.

It's more that we're gathering more role players in such a trade. That's not what we should be after. Brown has more All Star potential than Saric. Trading quantity for quality is the way forward. And I think we have enough assets to get Davis. The Lakers have to put out an outrageous offer to outbid us.

[keevsnick]

This is a terrible trade. Does anyone bother to actual look at how the players the are trading for are actually performing? Saric does absolutely nothing better than Jaylen brown and is 2.5 years older. He is a "shooter" shooting 33.7 percent from 3 this year. It would not surprise me if Jaylen ends up with a higher 3pnt% by the end of the year. meanwhile Tyus Jones is shooting under 30% from 3 this year, a significant downgrade form Rozier. And he's no better overall at only 38% from the floor. He is younger, which is something, but its a marginal move. You are also giving up easily the highest upside piece in the deal in Brown. So no.

[Humble G]

This is a terrible trade. Does anyone bother to actual look at how the players the are trading for are actually performing? Saric does absolutely nothing better than Jaylen brown and is 2.5 years older. He is a "shooter" shooting 33.7 percent from 3 this year. It would not surprise me if Jaylen ends up with a higher 3pnt% by the end of the year. meanwhile Tyus Jones is shooting under 30% from 3 this year, a significant downgrade form Rozier. And he's no better overall at only 38% from the floor. He is younger, which is something, but its a marginal move. You are also giving up easily the highest upside piece in the deal in Brown. So no.

Thanks for the compliment

But this is really two trades:
1. Rozier for Satoranksy. Satoranksy is 6'7" and shoots 40% from 3 for Rozier who needs to go imo Satoransky is a good passer too avgs more assists than selfish Rozier.

2. Brown for Saric/Jones/Pick
Yes Brown is the better player but the 2 play different positions in ANY coaches definition of players. Saric is a good shooter for a BIG: 33% from 3 and 87% FT...compared to Jaylen who is a gaurd shooting 30% from 3 and 65% FT.  Also Saric out rebounds and out assists Jaylen....but Saric does absolutely nothing better than Jaylen. Saric adds depth where we need it and we free minutes up for Hayward.
I understand that Brown probably has the highest upside but I don't think its much bigger. PLUS in this scenario MIN is giving us a 1st rnd pick too. Jones is just a throw in for salary and maybe could be a 3rd string PG behind smart who goes back to backup PG (if c's start Hayward at 2 and trade for Satoransky)

 

[Sophomore]

Yeah. We are giving up easily the best player in this trade. Trading a quarter for a bunch of nickels. We do better consolidating than picking up role players.

[Big333223]

In the last 10 games, Satoransky has been Washington's starting pg and is averaging 11-5-5 with .462/.448./700 shooting splits. He's been terrific. He's probably better than Rozier. So I doubt Washington does the deal.

Even though Saric hasn't been good in Minny, I like him and would like to see what Brad could do with him as a full time 4. But any trade the Celtics make right now, I'd rather see consolidation of talent, not another talent downgrade for more assets. I don't think that makes sense for where this team is now.

I'm also skeptical that Brown could fetch Saric, Jones, and a pick with the season he's had so far. So I don't think Minny does it. And on the Boston side, they have no backup SG, really, which I don't love and all so Saric can get into a minutes fight with Marcus Morris.

Not a fan of this deal.

[Humble G]

Yeah. We are giving up easily the best player in this trade. Trading a quarter for a bunch of nickels. We do better consolidating than picking up role players.

Jaylen and Rozier ARE role players who act like they are more BUT they are not!. And I really do think we would be a much better team if  players who actually took on their role.

[slamtheking]

Yeah. We are giving up easily the best player in this trade. Trading a quarter for a bunch of nickels. We do better consolidating than picking up role players.

Jaylen and Rozier ARE role players who act like they are more BUT they are not!. And I really do think we would be a much better team if  players who actually took on their role.

got to disagree with you on this -- particularly regarding Jaylen.  he's starting caliber regardless of how he started the season.  easily the best player in this deal as well, not to mention he's the player with the highest upside too

[Humble G]

Yeah. We are giving up easily the best player in this trade. Trading a quarter for a bunch of nickels. We do better consolidating than picking up role players.

Jaylen and Rozier ARE role players who act like they are more BUT they are not!. And I really do think we would be a much better team if  players who actually took on their role.

got to disagree with you on this -- particularly regarding Jaylen.  he's starting caliber regardless of how he started the season.  easily the best player in this deal as well, not to mention he's the player with the highest upside too

I didnt say he isnt a starter just a role player. He is not going to be a star. His ceiling is probably 3rd best option on a contender. He and Dario are very comparable....even look at last year's stats: https://stats.nba.com/vs/#!?PlayerID=203967&VsPlayerID=1627759&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

about the same in mins and shooting % except Dario is a much better FT shooter, and slightly better passer and rebounder. Go ahead and compare playoffs too: https://stats.nba.com/vs/#!?PlayerID=203967&VsPlayerID=1627759&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Playoffs.

Both are in 3rd year but Dario is 2 years older.

* This trade of course wont happen but I would bet all my TPs that we would a better team/record if we swapped rozier for Satoransky and Jaylen for Dario

PG: Irving/Smart/Wannamker
SG: Hayward/Satoransky
SF: Tatum/Semi
PF: Morris/Saric
C: Horford/Baynes

More balance and length too. And guys that would accept their roles