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Idea: Harden to the Warriors?
« on: December 01, 2020, 05:04:08 PM »

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Would a trade between Houston and Golden State make sense for both sides?

Harden goes to GS and Wiggins, Wiseman and 2 first rounders to Houston for a rebuild.

Would a starting lineup of Curry, Harden, Oubre, Green, and Looney be enough to contend in the west as well?
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« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2020, 05:17:58 PM »

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Curry and Harden would have a shot (hah) against anyone, at least in theory, but I don't think they'd have enough size in the supporting cast to really contend.


The Warriors are a truly lilliputian team, especially if you take away Wiseman and Wiggins.

Looney and Oubre are 6'8'' / 6'9'' and they'd be the tallest guys in the rotation.
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Curry and Harden would have a shot (hah) against anyone, at least in theory, but I don't think they'd have enough size in the supporting cast to really contend.


The Warriors are a truly lilliputian team, especially if you take away Wiseman and Wiggins.

Looney and Oubre are 6'8'' / 6'9'' and they'd be the tallest guys in the rotation.

Like the Celtics.

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« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2020, 05:52:49 PM »

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Curry and Harden would have a shot (hah) against anyone, at least in theory, but I don't think they'd have enough size in the supporting cast to really contend.


The Warriors are a truly lilliputian team, especially if you take away Wiseman and Wiggins.

Looney and Oubre are 6'8'' / 6'9'' and they'd be the tallest guys in the rotation.

Like the Celtics.


That’s exactly what I was going to respond with haha. In the games where Kanter didn’t play the tallest player was Theis at 6’8”. TP to you
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« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2020, 05:53:11 PM »

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This is a solid idea.

I'd think GSW would need to tighten up that big man rotation, especially with AD and Bron in LA. But they'd certainly be in the conversation to come out of the west.
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Love it. Always like Rockets with a big and under valued wing. Warriors are still fun and gunning with Harden. Both teams should go for it.

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« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2020, 06:43:52 PM »

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Would a trade between Houston and Golden State make sense for both sides?

Harden goes to GS and Wiggins, Wiseman and 2 first rounders to Houston for a rebuild.

Would a starting lineup of Curry, Harden, Oubre, Green, and Looney be enough to contend in the west as well?

I don't think so. 

I think there would be massive chemistry and locker room issues if that happened.   Harden is an absolute egomaniac, and I think that anywhere he goes he's going to be dead-set fixated on the idea that it's his team.  This may not sit well with Curry who has been the face of the Warriors since almost the day they drafted him.

Aside from that, I really don't think Curry and Harden are compatible on the court.  The core talents for both players are there ability to dribble, pass and shoot - and only one guy can do that at a time, given that there is only one ball.  Neither player is an above average defender, and neither is really giving you a lot of value being on the court unless they have the ball. 

Curry has also been injury prone over his career, and Harden is famously terrible in the big moments. 

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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2020, 07:02:26 PM »

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Curry and Harden would have a shot (hah) against anyone, at least in theory, but I don't think they'd have enough size in the supporting cast to really contend.


The Warriors are a truly lilliputian team, especially if you take away Wiseman and Wiggins.

Looney and Oubre are 6'8'' / 6'9'' and they'd be the tallest guys in the rotation.

Like the Celtics.


Eh, I don't think it's really comparable.

The Celts have Brown and Tatum, for one thing, who are tall, athletic wings.

They also have Theis, Thompson, Williams, and Williams.  Those guys are all under 6'10'' but they're generally pretty solid and have good length as well.


The Warriors aren't just small when you look at the starting lineup.  Their bench is made up of guys like Wanamaker, Damion Lee, Bazemore, and 6'6'' Eric Paschall.  It's just a small team. 

They're not just undersized at the 5.  They're undersized at virtually every position other than point guard.  It's not just height, either.  Most of those players are quite slight.  Oubre, for example, may be 6'8'', but he's very thin.  Paschall is the one exception to that, but he's about the same size as Grant Williams.
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Would a trade between Houston and Golden State make sense for both sides?

Harden goes to GS and Wiggins, Wiseman and 2 first rounders to Houston for a rebuild.

Would a starting lineup of Curry, Harden, Oubre, Green, and Looney be enough to contend in the west as well?

I don't think so. 

I think there would be massive chemistry and locker room issues if that happened.   Harden is an absolute egomaniac, and I think that anywhere he goes he's going to be dead-set fixated on the idea that it's his team.  This may not sit well with Curry who has been the face of the Warriors since almost the day they drafted him.

Aside from that, I really don't think Curry and Harden are compatible on the court.  The core talents for both players are there ability to dribble, pass and shoot - and only one guy can do that at a time, given that there is only one ball.  Neither player is an above average defender, and neither is really giving you a lot of value being on the court unless they have the ball. 

Curry has also been injury prone over his career, and Harden is famously terrible in the big moments.

I agree with a lot of what you say, but are you implying here (bolded part) that Curry his off-ball-movement and shooting ability from catch-and-shoot isn't providing much value to a team??? 

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« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2020, 09:55:17 PM »

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I don't see why the Rockets would do that.  Doesn't seem like anywhere near enough value.  Now if it was Klay Thompson and some picks for Harden, that might be interesting. 
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« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2020, 09:57:35 PM »

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I don't see why the Rockets would do that.  Doesn't seem like anywhere near enough value.  Now if it was Klay Thompson and some picks for Harden, that might be interesting.
I think that's an even worse trade. We have no idea if Klay will come back to what he was before, or if he'll get even close to that. A battered Klay is useless for a rebuilding Rockets team.
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« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2020, 10:20:41 PM »

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Andrew Wiggins is still a negative value contract. If the Rockets just want a guy that scores 20 ppg to satiate the fanbase, Wiggins is the guy. If they want a winning quality player, Wiggins is the furthest thing from it.

Also, the universal thought several weeks ago was that a top pick in the draft was not enough value for an all-star, much less an MVP. That hasn't changed just because that pick represents an actual player now. I'm a pretty huge fan of Wiseman, but that trade value hasn't changed around the league.

Several future late first rounders and/or swaps don't swing things enough for the Rockets.

I don't think Manion, Pascall, or Toscano-Anderson add enough value either. I just don't think the Warriors have enough to make that trade happen. Now, maybe if another young guy has a particularly good start to the season, they could make a deal later this season or next off-season.

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« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2020, 10:26:11 PM »

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Andrew Wiggins is still a negative value contract. If the Rockets just want a guy that scores 20 ppg to satiate the fanbase, Wiggins is the guy. If they want a winning quality player, Wiggins is the furthest thing from it.

Also, the universal thought several weeks ago was that a top pick in the draft was not enough value for an all-star, much less an MVP. That hasn't changed just because that pick represents an actual player now. I'm a pretty huge fan of Wiseman, but that trade value hasn't changed around the league.

Several future late first rounders and/or swaps don't swing things enough for the Rockets.

I don't think Manion, Pascall, or Toscano-Anderson add enough value either. I just don't think the Warriors have enough to make that trade happen. Now, maybe if another young guy has a particularly good start to the season, they could make a deal later this season or next off-season.

They have wiseman that T wolves next year correct? That’s quite a bit of value right there. They also have a future grizzlies 1st.

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« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2020, 10:36:57 PM »

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Andrew Wiggins is still a negative value contract. If the Rockets just want a guy that scores 20 ppg to satiate the fanbase, Wiggins is the guy. If they want a winning quality player, Wiggins is the furthest thing from it.

Also, the universal thought several weeks ago was that a top pick in the draft was not enough value for an all-star, much less an MVP. That hasn't changed just because that pick represents an actual player now. I'm a pretty huge fan of Wiseman, but that trade value hasn't changed around the league.

Several future late first rounders and/or swaps don't swing things enough for the Rockets.

I don't think Manion, Pascall, or Toscano-Anderson add enough value either. I just don't think the Warriors have enough to make that trade happen. Now, maybe if another young guy has a particularly good start to the season, they could make a deal later this season or next off-season.

They have wiseman that T wolves next year correct? That’s quite a bit of value right there. They also have a future grizzlies 1st.

Good point. I did forget about the Minny pick, which will probably convey this year in the mid-teens. That's a decent pick.

I'd have to think the Rockets could find more somewhere else.

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I don't see why the Rockets would do that.  Doesn't seem like anywhere near enough value.  Now if it was Klay Thompson and some picks for Harden, that might be interesting.
I think that's an even worse trade. We have no idea if Klay will come back to what he was before, or if he'll get even close to that. A battered Klay is useless for a rebuilding Rockets team.
But Klay is a proven stud if he is healthy and has far more value than Wiseman or Wiggins.  The picks would be the same either way.  I still wouldn't do it, but if I'm Houston I'm far more inclined to do that then Wiseman and Wiggins.  That is no where near enough value for a guy that has finished in the top 3 in MVP for the last 4 seasons and doesn't appear to be slowing down yet. 
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